Cowboys Sam Hurd on the Rise?
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 15, 2009 1:20 PM CDT
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PrintI know it’s only the preseason. I know it’s only one game, but Sam Hurd looked good Thursday night. With all of this talk about whether or not Miles Austin would overtake Patrick Crayton as the #2 receiver, I don’t think any of us considered the possibility of Hurd making a case for the #3 spot. Again, it was just one preseason game, but Hurd showed some things that were really encouraging.
After losing a great deal of his 2008 season to an ankle injury, Hurd is fully recovered. He's still listed at 205 lbs. but appears to be more muscular than in years past. He seems to have an extra little bounce in his step, and for a guy who is supposed to be slow, he’s proving that he is fast enough to get open. It’s early, but it’s beginning to look like Sam Hurd is determined to contribute this year.
If he is able to break out, it will be like stealing for the Cowboys. With all the questions that have been aimed at the Cowboys depth at wide receiver, the team would be delighted to find an answer in-house. If Hurd becomes a real contributor, he would give the Cowboys four viable options at wide receiver. Injuries are always challenging, but at least with a healthy and productive Sam Hurd, an injury within the receiving corps would no longer trigger the Apocalypse. Roy Williams has never been healthy for more than 14 games in his NFL career. He is just one of those guys who tends to get nicked up and miss a game here and there.
Sam Hurd probably has more in mind than just waiting for the injury bug to strike. I mean, can we really rule him out as the 3rd wideout? In my opinion the jury is still out on Miles Austin. It would be nice to have Austin’s speed on the field for the majority of snaps, but it isn’t about that all the time. With or without Austin on the field, the Cowboys have enough speed to force defenses to cover every inch of turf. Witten and Bennett can keep safeties from getting nosy. It’s nice to have a speedster, but you don’t need a track star to be successful on offense. I’m sure Austin has a lot more to show, but he will not get the nod from the staff on speed alone. It’s not outside the realm of possibility for Hurd to force his way into the #3 spot.
Hurd is an easy guy to pull for. As a former undrafted free agent, the fact that he is still around after three years says a lot on it’s own. We’ve watched Hurd grow from an undrafted, undersized unknown from Northern Illinois, to a veteran with a legit NFL body, looking to finally bust out. I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if Hurd’s 2009 forces the Cowboys to figure him into the team’s long term plans.
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Right on.
but you don’t need a track star to be successful on offense
So true.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 15, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions
And I'd prefer consistent over flashy in a WR
TO could wow people, but who knows what his drops and strange mood swings cost the team?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Oh...so close
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 15, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Hurd
His 2007 season wasn’t half bad, kind of like Austin’s 2008 season.
I also believe that Hurd caught Romo’s first NFL completion ever. Maybe a 33 yarder against the Texans.
Dude’s good sized and has decent hands. Good enough for me.
I'll never forget BP press, that was something along the lines:
he was asked if TO gets injured will he move Crayton in his position and he said categorically “no” Crayton stays in the slot and Hurd moves to the X receiver, no need to scrue other positions. at that moment my eyes were about to pop out. First it made sense not to move receivers around, but who the hell is Sam Hurd. As it turns out Parcells knew something more about Hurd than many of us. Just last week we were arguing if Hurd would make the team or be cut.
i dont understand......
how people could question whether or not he’d make the team or not. he was having an awesome preason last year. before that, two pretty good seasons on special teams and a decent job when he came in on offense. then he gets hurt, austin catches a few long balls and everyone forgets about sam.
i think its still a little too early annoint him to anything but i think what he’s done so far has at least given both coaches and fans some hope that he can contribute on more than special teams. i still think its a little too early to give up on austin too. it was one pass in the first preseason game. and sam did what he did against the second team d. if one are or both can be legitimate threaths, this team will be hard to defend.
on a side note. i hate that to was such a polarizing figure and whether it was his fault or not, that it didnt work out in dallas. but for those who dont remember, it was him that took sam under his wing his first training camp in oxnard. showing him how to be a pro. work out, eat right, run routes, stay after practice, etc. wouldnt it be awesome if sams turns out to be something and to can be credited for leaving something positive behind instead of all the negatives at his other stops.
I don't read ever post
But I’ve never seen any serious discussion here about him being cut this year. It’s only the 5th WR that I’ve seen debated
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 15, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
let me clarify
the discussion of Hurd being cut was on a long tread last week, before the first pre-season game and if I remember correctly it started about Stanback and somebody was saying that every year there are surprise cuts and Hurd could be the one this year. Terry was a vehemently supportive of Hurd. Anyway its a mute point now
I remember people thinking Hurd was a bubble guy.
Twas during 4th and Long.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 16, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
+81
He really did help hurd that 1st year.
by thruthicknthin on Aug 15, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 16, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
my favorite moment of Hurd's career
That block on Archuleta in Chicago. I was waiting for John Madden to deliver one of those trademark lines from the video game….“he’s gonna feel that one tomorrow.”
by MicThaRock on Aug 15, 2009 2:06 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
That's not a bad comparison.
They also both make alot of jumping catches.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 16, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Austin isnt helping his own cause.
I remember more drops than catches from him. I like the guy but dang if he dont tick me off sometimes.
"Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain
Relax
his only drop came from a route in which he and Hurd were running into each other.
FJI10XBTBW
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 15, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You saw that too?
but who ran the wrong pattern?
My guess was Austin, but not much to go on.
by Realist Larry on Aug 15, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
based on what happened after the event, I would say that Austin was in the wrong.
FJI10XBTBW
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 15, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Kitna threw the ball to Austin
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
The drop
I remember from Thursday was when Austin was wide open, the pass hit him in the hands and he couldn’t hang on because he was looking up field too soon.
No excuse for that one.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
From what I could see
he just didn’t get his hands on the ball. It looked like it just bounced right off of his chest and he never fully got any kind of grip on it. But I was only watching it from my computer.
Trust is the reason t.o. is no longer here
Trust is also the reason we saw Hurd get all those catches on Thursday. Once Miles dropped that post pass. It was as if Kitna was not going to go his way no matter what happened. As a result Hurd got a lot more looks. It did help we was wide open most of the time and here’s the kicker he actually caught the ball.
As an ex-WR, though only in HS, I know how important it is to always catch the ball when it comes your way. If you do your quarterback will always try to find you.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 15, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
Roy Williams did have 1 year where he played in all 16
But your point is valid…he does get nicked.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Good for Sam. I've been on his side since he first showed up, and now it looks
like he has a chance at big things. He’s worked hard and will make many a great play for us this year. Austin had better watch out after that drop against the Raiders. He needs a good game on Friday to get back in the swing of things.
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I honestly
Wouldn’t be surprised if he reaches 500 yards this year. If he stays healthy that is. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Austin’s game against green bay was a fluke.
by Alexcomestokill on Aug 15, 2009 2:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Reebok better get a Hurd jersey into production.
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I'd Be The First One To Say
Hurd was beastly against us. He really gave our CB’s hell.
Good game by the way. Your starting line-up looks great and your starting running backs looked great. We are worried that our run defense is bad because of it.
Good luck with the rest of your pre-season games.
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Thanks!
Russell looks pretty good. I was surprised based on all the negative press he gets.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I thought so too
He looked like a legit NFL QB. He was very decisive, made good decisions and passed the ball well.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 15, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Russell seems to be shaping up into a good QB and Run DMC looked great against us, good luck this year and see you guys on Thanksgiving
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by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 16, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
That settles it then
He should be the #1 WR.
FJI10XBTBW
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 15, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Take away the #1 reciever spot on any team
and we have the worst 2-5 receivers in the league.
3 undrafted WR’s and 6th round pick who can’t stay healthy.
You can hope Hurd turns into John Taylor but I’m not holding my breath.
Our receiving core is simply embarrassing behind Roy Williams.
What did we do with all our draft picks if we have 3 undrafted WR’s battling for the 2nd and 3rd position.
Have you looked at the receivers on the other teams in the EAST.
Totally embarrassing.
hmmmmmm.....yes I have seen the others on the east
Who the hell are you talking about? NY lost Plax and Toomer, Washington has nothing behind Santana Moss and Philty has a bunch of OK guys (like us)…..
Let me show you hell.
Patrick Crayton. 6 years. Undrafted. Northwestern Oklahoma State.
Miles Austin. 4 years. Undraftd. Monmouth (N.J.)
Sam Hurd 4 years. Undrafted. Northern Illinois
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Now how many teams in the East have 3 Multi year undrafted player from who gives an F college battling for the 2-5 spots.
WHAT the Hell are you talking about. This list battling for 2-5 WR position on a professional team is EMBARRASSING..
Let’s go through the East because it’s obvious you didn’t.
Redskins. Devin Thomas 1 year. 2nd round pick Michigan State.
Malcolm Kelly. 1 year 2nd round pick Oklahoma. Should have been a Cowboy.
Antwann Randle El
So you want to take Hurd Austin and Crayton over those three. Go right ahead. Let’s call the Redskins and ask them if they would trade any of those three for our three.
They would hang up and think it was a prank call.
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The Eagels 1 and 2 are known.
You can move Desean Jackson 1 year experience with 912 yards or Kevin Curtis who had a 1000 yard season to the 2nd position.
Both are better than Crayton.
Jackson if healthy will definitely see 1000 yards this year. Potential Star.
Do you ever see Hurd, Crayton or Austin having a 1000 yard season. Never.
Battling for the 3-5 positions are.
Jeremy Maclin. 1st round pick rookie. Potential Star.
Which one of our three would you consider a potential star. Thought so.
Reggie Brown 5th year 2nd round pick Georgia and Jason Avant 4th year 4th round pick Michigan.
Brown and Avant are much more reliable to at least play every week at this time than Hurd or Austin. They all so have a pedigree that’s higher than our guys from who the “F” cares University.
Battling for a roster spot is Hank Baskett 4 years. Undrafted. Mexico.
Baskett is the equivalent to our Hurd, Crayton, and Austin.
Let me put it this way.
We have 3 Hank Baskett’s Kendra’s husband battling for our 2- 5 positions.
And your OK with that.
Giants. Hakeem Nicks 1st rd. Rookie. If he’s not the 1 he’s the 2.
So your taking one of our three over Hicks.
Steve Smith 3 years. USC. Showed up in the Giants Championship run as a rookie.
Can’t say the same for Crayton.
Mario Manningham. 1 year. Michigan. Should have been a Cowboy.
I’ll take Mario. You can have Hurd and Austin.
Sinorice Moss. I’ll take him over Hurd and Austin.
Derek Hagan. 4th year. Arizona State. Hagan is battling for the 5th roster spot.
Hagan = Hurd, Crayton and Austin.
Let me put it this way
We have 3 Derek Hagans trying out for the 2-5 WR position. Go Cowboys.
Are you serious., What the hell are you talking about. Either your blind or or don’t know what the HELL your talking about.
Maybe your just such a homer that Jerry could roll out the Geico Cavemen and you would think we have a chance.
Only you know.
Like i said. What the hell did we do with all our draft picks when the highest drafted WR behind Roy Williams is a 6th round pick who can’t stay healthy.
Your out your league talking football with me son.
Stay in your lane. I stand by what I said with facts.
We have one of the worst 2-5 WR in the league.
In the East it’s not even close.
by Sharksbreath on Aug 15, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Take a breath man
As a loooooong time Cowboy fan, excuse me for thinking where a guy is drafted is pretty much irrelevent and that’s particularily true at the WR position. It’s total BS. I’m holding my breath like everyone else about Dallas’ 3-5 but mostof those guys on other teams have not proven anything either.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 15, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
+100
And our 2-5 guys have proven more than most on your list anyways. And trying to bring up where a guy was drafted is irrelevant, it would be like saying the Romo, Warner and all the other undrafted QBs are worse than Every QB drafted in the first round, hell throw Brady in there 2, he was drafted in the 6th round, he must SUCK.
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 16, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Drew Pearson
UDFA out of Tulsa.
He did purdy good.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Only 30 Receptions in Drew's college career
I’m on both sides of this. You can’t judge Hurd and Austin on their draft status (or lack thereof). But Pearson was an All-Pro and clear #1 receiver by his 2nd year in the league. Hurd and Austin have been in the league 4 years and haven’t done anything yet.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 16, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Drew was a QB in college
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
that was back in the day.......
when we actually developed players. Boy could Landry and Company pick up some unknowns and make them PLAYERS.
Well that was also because
there was no FA, so teams kept players for really long periods of time. It’s something I think has really hurt the quality of football, but we don’t notice because of the freakishly talented athletes that come into the league now. If they executed like they did in the past, football would be even more compelling to watch.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
that is true but........
it wasn’t like Drew Pearson or Cliff Harris sat on the bench for a few years waiting for their turns. They actually contributed pretty early in their careers, especially Drew Pearson. I just feel that our player developkent was way better back then than now. If our player development was/is so good then how come there is such a drop off between 1st team and 2nd team like I saw against Oakland? Not trying to be pessimistic, but our 2nd teamers played horrible-even Wade admitted it.
Right
but who are the second teamers? Projects and young, young players.
No the stars didn’t all sit, but a lot of players did. Staubach had a heck of a time breaking the line up. And almost all of them stayed for their careers. So they got better and better at playing that system, and their ability to know and play off the guy next to them. I’ve never studied it, but I’ll bet the average time a player was on a team is half or less than it was in the 70s.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I agree with you somewhat.......
However, we shouldn’t have one guy(Kozier) go down and the whole line falls apart. My point being, if we have anyone go down on the defensive side of the ball, we have very little depth if any. I don’t even want to think what would happen, heaven forbid, if Ware or Spencer goes down with what I saw from the back-ups Thurs. I know I sound pessimistic, but I don’t think I can bear to see Proctor again this year or McQuisten. We just don’t seem to be able to develop players from within, we have to trade for someone or get a free agent from someone.
I agree with you
I am all about depth. I think that’s the way they tried to draft this year after doing the All-You-Can-Eat FA Buffet last ten years of so.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Dunk.....
you made me start thinking so I looked up Roger’s bio. You are right that he was drafted in 1964. However, he had to fulfill his military service to the Navy. That was one of the reasons that Roger was a 10th round selection. Anyway, he finally came to the Cowboys in 1969. He started full time in 1971. I don’t think that is a very long to time to be a back-up after sitting out for 5 years. In fact, when you think about it, it’s pretty incredible. How many guys can you think of that can lay off for 5 years and come back and play at such a high caliber? I can’t think of anyone. That’s why Roger will always be my hero. Also, Drew Pearson did not sit out either. He played his rookie year. My point is, the Cowboys player development department, were incredibly intelligent in picking up these kind of guys. These guys did not ride the pine for several years.
Let me try to boil this rant down to a smaller number of sentences
Crayton, Hurd and Austin weren’t drafted and other WRs in the division, 70% of whom have either never stepped on the field or have yet to do anything, are high draft picks. That makes them better.
And you know more than everyone else here.
And perhaps you’ve been hitting the case of Bud Lite a little too hard this afternoon…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
So let's call up any of the teams
in the East and ask them to trade you there 2-5 for ours.
Smart Guy.
by Sharksbreath on Aug 15, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Go ahead and make the call
They don’t take calls from me, I’m not a GM. I guess you know how to get through
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 15, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
These guys have been her for 4 years plus.
How long does a team wait on undrafted always hurt player JJ.
by Sharksbreath on Aug 15, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
The guys who made the decision to go with this group has actually see them practice
And they were apparently comfortable. What did you not like in practice every day?
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 15, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hold your breath and wiat
for one of those guys to come through. Please.
by Sharksbreath on Aug 15, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm completely comfortable
the Cowboys will have a very good year passing the ball. As others have said, it will come from a lot of different people and positions. I also think there’s a very good chance either Hurd or Austin will break out this year. They only have to be adequate, they’re the #3 and #4 receivers.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 15, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Why are we waiting for them to come through?
Crayton has already proved that he is a starting caliber WR, and the developement of Hurd and Austin has just been slow due to injuries.
FJI10XBTBW
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 15, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Not so secret
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Very educated answer.....you know your drafts and players....
now its a matter of who do you really like better. I personally (and obviosly biased but still…) think Crayton is better than Curtis, Randle El, Dixon….I dont know the rest of the pics…..I dont care either where they were drafted….I know Mike Williams went in the first round to Detroit and where he is now…… I think Wes Welker was undrafted and he’s doing really well…..
I trust Garret and Jerry on this one. I was always against cutting T.O. because of his numbers but if they did, I think they like what they have…..remember the cowboys wasted a lot of cap space with that move so they really had to know something.
perhaps you should be more concered with our high pick CB's
since all these stupid, useless, undrafted, retarded receivers we have have been toasting them pretty regularly…… .. . . . .
+1 trillion cabillion zillion
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 16, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
-2000000
This is an ignorant post, and malcom kelly and devin thomas lol, that’s about as blind as it gets. The only team that your argument is close to being true is the eagles, and those guys are just different types of receivers. They run a different offense and value you different types of receivers. Ill take hurd, austin, crayton all day against the other teams.
By your logic you would rather have ryan leaf, than romo cause he was drafted in the first, give me a break. What a player does once he is in the nfl is not predicated on what round he was drafted in.
by TONYINCC on Aug 15, 2009 8:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yep...mmmhhmmm
"Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain
Shark
I appreciate your point but here’s another interesting look at NFC East Draft picks
Redskins – Jason Campbell – 1st Round
Giants – Eli Manning – 1st Round
Eagles – Donovan McNabb – 1st Round
Cowboys – Tony Romo – UDFA
I wouldn’t trade Romo for any of them.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Not that I'm interested in bringing facts into the discussion...
but Patrick Crayton actually was drafted, in the 7th round of the 2004 draft, #216 overall. Perhaps you’re thinking of Terrence Copper, Crayton’s fellow rookie WR in 2004 as an undrafted free agent with the Cowboys. So I guess that should earn Crayton just a small bit of respect in your eyes (never mind the respectable stats he’s put up for three years running).
by greatwhitenorth on Aug 15, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
completely ridiculous...
Antonio Gates. Future Hall of famer, Kent State, undrafted. Warren Moon. Adam Vinatieri. Not to mention Tony Romo.
If you know football as well as you think you do, you know that coaches often don’t choose the best player, they do everything they can to keep draft picks, especially top draft picks, along for the ride until they make it.
Not to mention that our backup tight end is a better receiver than most of the #2’s in the east. Oh, and Jason Witten. I’ve heard that guy is pretty good too.
I’m not a huge homer, I can see that our o-line is a disaster waiting to happen. But our receiver core is fine. Not great, not poor, fine.
You judge the player by what they do on the field, not where the team drafted them, Shark. We’ll see who’s for real in time.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
M Colsten in New Orleans was a 7th round pick I believe
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 15, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
And their #2 is Lance Moore who was undrafted.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 16, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I liked you better when you had one line posts.
Alot better then doing this.
Or that.
Or this.
Typing sentences with no paragraphs.
But in all seriousness, you’re off base. It doesn’t matter where players are drafted, if they can play then they can play. Jacksonville at one point was littered with number 1 draft picks at receiver and what did it get them? Maybe we should go sign Mike Williams because he was a first round draft pick. Your entire rant came off as rude and uninteresting.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 15, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Your stats are so solid you fail to realize that Crayton was a 7th round pick and that Stanback (who I only assume you are also referring to) was a 4th round pick.
You come on here and try to stir up trouble but you can’t even do so logically. In your world, Tom Brady sits on the bench while guys like Ryan Leaf are considered great simply because of their draft status. And as for Austin or Hurd versus a guy like Malcolm Kelly, at least I have seen Austin and Hurd make meaningful plays.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 15, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Shark....
Just read your entire post and here are my answers:
1. Skins: Randle El, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly….they can leep them all. None of them have done absolutely nothing in the NFL. Randle El maybe but not much more than Crayton even though he has had a #2 position for longer. Crayton has only played as our number 2 for 1 1/2 years.
2. Philty: How are 1 and 2? Curtis and DeSean Jackson? Mclin might be a star or might be another Reggie Brown….are you happy with Brown after spending a 2nd round pick on him??….he reminds me of picking Quincy Carter in the 2nd…….nice reach!!!….Hank Baskett He’s the same or worse than ours…..The only good thing about these receivers is that they dont have to go deep and make the great catches….Philty runs the short routes, west coast style…..it’s hard to compare for me.
3. NYG: They lost Plaxico and Toomer who were they’re only proven receivers. You want to take Steve Smith over our entire WR corps because of his great catch in the SB? go right ahead…..nice decision!!!. Moss, Mannigham and Hixon have done nothing yet….so dont count them as stars. They spent picks on them knowing drafting WR’s is lottery. We Spent 3 picks on a proven guy like Roy Williams.
And you’re simply ignoring the fact that we have we have Witten (best TE in Football with gates and Gonzalez) and Martellus Bennet (potential star as you like to call them). This is part of the receiving corps buddy and I would change any of them for Boss or Cooley or LJ Smith or whoever the TE in Philty is today……
Im not outta my league talking to anyone here and dont call me son. This is a blog about opinions. Your opinion is based on draft position and mine is based on what we’ve seen on the field. Hurd, Austin and Crayton are just as good as any of the high picks you mentioned in the other teams. You like them better? go wear green or red…..I’ll trust our front officers.
Based on your system we also have the worst QB in the league.
Ratliff sucks, Carpenter is a superstar. MBIII and Choice give us the worst RBs in the division.
Your right we suck no chance of winning this year. Well, hope to see you blogging next year when maybe we can draft WR in rounds 1 and 2.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
you lost me at Sinorice Moss
Your “pedigree” argument has more holes in it than our backup O-line.
The way we have developed WRs has contributed to our good drafts. Instead of wasting picks on douche-bags like Devin Thomas, and Mario Manninghamstring we were able to pick a bunch of good D backs and RBs.
Can you imagine if we would have wasted picks on WRs instead of filling the holes we have.
I was not a huge proponent of bringing in RW for draft picks. I think we should have used those picks on a road grater O-lineman and a HUGE NG. But we are where we are.
This year we could have an undrafted QB throwing to mostly undrafted WR. Say what you will about developing your players, but I think we can be happy with the coaching staff and player development.
I think Austin has the capability to be a catalyst this year. If he can be trusted to catch the ball when it counts, he will give us a vertical component to our offense that will open up the best TE combo in football.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
Uh, Land Shark,
There are two sides to that pancake:
What the hell did we do with all our draft picks when the highest drafted WR behind Roy Williams is a 6th round pick who can’t stay healthy.
DeMarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Brady James, Anthony Spencer, Felix Jones, Martellus Bennet, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, et al.
The question is, which of our draft pick/starters would you be willing to throw back in order to use that pick on one of your vaunted “can’t miss because he’s a draft pick” WRs?
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Angus likes Shark Soup
Your post reminded me of this Tread by Rafa.
I had to go find it so everyone can see how WR is the hardest position to predict out of college. It really brings to light how draft position mean nothing when it comes to WR.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/1/24/735563/what-would-you-do-with-a-f
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 16, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link. Couldn't disagree with the logic. ; )
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Aug 16, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's just Draft WR's in 1st
Let’s just Draft WR’s in 1st round for the next 3 years maybe that will work!!! OOPS forgot Mike Millen already tried that already & look at all silverware that Detroit has show for it. Damn its just occurred to me that your really Mike Millen arn’t you?
I’ll keep Hurd, Crayton and Austin thanks all the same.
PS. Hi to you all my 1st post here. & thanks to Dave, Raf & all the others writers for making this the only place go for Cowboy news don’t get much of it out here Australia. GO COWBOYS!!!
LOL!! Who knew Shardsbreath was Matt Millen. Another Closet Cowboy.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
Sharksbreath
You have no clue if you actually think that a drafted WR is automatically better than an UDFA. Where a player is drafted is irrelevant.
BTW, I’d take our 2-5 WR corp over any in the East, thats for sure.
In Romo we Trust
Ramses Barden
is supposed to be uncoverable for the Giants. He might become Plax’s replacement by midseason.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 16, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Ramses
he’s gonna be a pain to cover at 6’6. He’ll be Roy’ish with the way he shields defenders and Tellus like with his height. Hard to defend that even if his routes suck.
Uncoverable?
I’m doubting it.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 16, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You should really pop a valium....
Your post ticked me off a bit.. there was no need for that rudeness, dude.
Superbowl, or BUST.
DAMN!!! Talk about coming late to the dance... Can I still join in, or is shark already down for the count?
+11111111111 to all the Shark-slams…
Frost, Terry, ManTab*, Squidlo, HudBaby, Uncle Angus, Cowboy Babe, Katana, Terry, AFB, Cowboyfan729, StillHateTheGiants, DUNK, Sublimez, TonyinCC, JimVance, GreatWhiteNorth, nspirals… and SEVERAL OTHERS…
*kudos to ManTab for getting Shark on a roll…
Shark, like everyone here, you’re welcome to throw in your two cents … opinions welcome … but be careful with the condescending tone, especially if your post has holes in it :)
I’m pulling for Romo and our WRs to have a break-out year, but that’s just my opinion.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Don't need another Diva WR to make all the Merchandise Junkies happy
WOW! You need a smaller glass for that half filled cup.
There are only 3 WR in the east that have had any success against us (Moss, Jackson and Smith). Most of that have been limited. High draft pick WR does not mean they will be successful WR.
We do not need another big name WR (t.o.) so Merchandise Junkies can run out and buy the guys jersey so his buddies who rout for other teams know who the hell the guy is. What we need are WR who catch the ball get back to the huddle and do it all over again. Just like Hurd, Roy, Crayton and we hope Miles.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 15, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
A common misperception
You my friend, are assuming that only players designated “WR” make up the depth of the receiving corps. That is a common misperception in the age of the mentally disfiguring scourge of fantasy football.
As Luke. has pointed out here, Jason Witten is the true #1 receiver on this team.
Since Tony Romo entered the 07 season as starter Jason Witten has more catches and yards than Anquan Boldin, Santana Moss, Marques Colston, Hines Ward, Lee Evans and Chad Johnson.
Now, for the sake of argument, let’s assume the Cowboys will have 4.000 passing yards this year. Witten should have about the same as last year, say 1.000 yards. Roy Williams will probably come in with slightly less, say 900. The often under-appreciated MB3 had 417 receiving yards last year, let’s assume that our three running backs combine for 600 yards (which MB3 and TC did last year). With more 2 TE sets in the playbook, MartyB could come close to 500 yards (up from 283). That leaves about 1.000 passing yards to be split among the WRs # 2-5. I would be surprised if any single one of them ends up with more than 600 yards.
That is the beauty of our offense (if they all stay healthy), the ability to spread the ball around to multiple threats.
by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 15, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
To .Cool.
Did not know Witten’s stats were so high in the stratosphere. Thanks for bring this number up back up (you to Luke).
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 15, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
This guy is a troll
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 15, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Hurd will contribute and he does look much bigger.
I also think Miles needs to step his game up. Still, I have a hard time believeing we will go with 3 WRs with similar skill sets. We need for Miles to take the next step to give the other guys more space.
I do think if we are smart we can get all of these guys involved in the right places.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
why not?
i cant remember who was the speed guy was on patriots team that won 3 super bowls. probably isnt the ideal situation but i think with depth at rbs and tes it can work.
Thats a major problem around here. Everyone is always spouting off about N.E. and Pitt
but nobody really knows that much about them. they act like they do but all they really know is Brady may be the best QB of all time and Billichek is the best coach in the league.
I understand you can win with anything if you have an abundance of talent elsewhere(Ravens D) we dont. The speed will give everyone more space. It will hold the safeties a step off of Witten and RW allowing them an opportunity to make a move after a catch. Its just another advantage to have.
If you read my post I said it would be great for us to Have Austin take the next step. I also said if we did it right we could have all 4 guys equally involved regardless making us a harder matchup.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
whats the advantage
of having speed if you cant catch? id rather have a 1-3 guys with average to a little above speed with dependable hands who catch the ball the majority of the time for first downs.
a guy with home run power that strikes out all the time is useless. same as a guy with speed and no hands. i also hope that austin works out but he hasnt been consistent yet. if he doesnt, i think we’ll be ok with the 3 recievers we have, 2 tes and 3 rbs.
and i dont claim to know about the pats. i said i didnt remember, but off the top of my head, i couldnt recall a real speedster they had when the did win those super bowls
He struggled catching the ball when he first got here.
Thats not uncommon at all for young recievers who are still thinking to much. Some struggle with getting open and some struggle with catching. Young players struggle. He caught the ball well last year and was poised for a break out year as was Hurd. Injuries happen.
The thing that Austin has shown me is an ability to get open against upper echelon CBs. Hurd seems to well against dogs but seems to struggle against better CBs. You can teach a guy to catch but you cant teach him to be fast.
I like Hurd. Im not one of those guys who roots for guys to fail even if i dont like them. In a perfect world Hurd woould beat out Crayton for his spot. Austin would step up and man the #2 spot creating space for the others. Hurd would offer a bigger target for the middle of the field.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
Imagine if he actually delivered a good block
He turned and hit the guy with his back.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 15, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah the mechanics sucked
but he still blew the guy up.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Mechanics
may have been unorthodox, but the results did not suck.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I know this isn't a Dallas block, but it kind of reminded me of this...
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 15, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
nice block...good thing he didn't get hurt
that is one of the scariest feelings…running down a ballcarrier and POW!
That’s enough to make you timid for a short while.
Love this post!
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 16, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I think I just watched that hit about 30 times...
mesmerizing in a “can’t wait for Sundays!” kinda way :)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Heard Hurd
I heard Sam interviewed on the local radio show, he’s deeply religious. He said he looks at his body as a temple and takes care of it. He goes home early and reads the Bible while other guys may be drinking and staying out late.
He seemed very serious and dedicated to his job. I think he’s a good kid.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
he is
he still is young and definitely grounded. got married to his college sweetheart. his family treats him like they did before he became a pro and that of course keeps he humble.
i hate the cliche “he’s the first to show and last to go.” not sure about how early he shows up but the 4 or 5 practices i went to at the alamodome, he was the last player on the field. whether its being the hometown hereo signing autographs or running routes and catching balls, he knows how lucky he is and the opportunity in front of him.
Give me more players like that...
As much as these super-athletes think of themselves…the universe doesn’t revolve around them.
They have to remember that they are just “players” on the “field”.
With his Sam Cam, he's very popular here in San Antonio.
You’re right; he is a good kid. He is a Dallas Cowboy. Would hate if he was on any other team.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 16, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Another undrafted free agent
I like Hurd. He’s a down to earth guy, and WANTS to contribute.
Let’s hope this undrafted free agent has 1/2 the success of that other famous non drafted cowboy Drew Pearson……………
If Hurd hadn't gotten the high ankle last summer
I think he’s the #3 last year. Like someone pointed out above, he knows all three positions, he works hard, he’s not afraid of contact, and he’s only getting better.
Question is: Who do you want at #2? Hurd or Crayton?
I say Hurd.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
+1
Hurd has more tools. Crayton excels working in the slot against a safety or 3rd corner
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
I Hurd that!
Someone had to say it.
by DoomsdayD75 on Aug 15, 2009 6:36 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hurd is no turd.
"Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain
I remember 2 years ago...
Hurd was staying with T.O after practice learning some moves. This kid has potential and so does Austin. Let’s not forget we have the best TE in football and Felix and Martellus should also contribute to the passing game.
Amen to that.
"Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain
Hurd & Austin
both have a lot to prove. However, if the OL does not hold up it won’t matter. A healthy OL & Felix Jones should help get the offense going starting week 1.
Healthy being the keyword
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 16, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Hold on now.
With all of this talk about whether or not Miles Austin would overtake Patrick Crayton as the #2 receiver, I don’t think any of us considered the possibility of Hurd making a case for the #3 spot.
I had Hurd as the No. 2 before preseason started. My son even took #17 for his HS Football team. We just sat there laughing as Hurd torched the Raiders.
I don't believe in team motivation. I believe in getting a team prepared so it knows it will have the necessary confidence when it steps on a field and be prepared to play a good game.
Tom Landry
+1 Same here
I was never sold on Miles Austin, and I thought Hurd had the potential to overtake Crayton on the depth chart.
FJI10XBTBW
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 15, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still of the opinion that Austin will win the #2
Crayton should be great working out of the slot.
The beauty of Hurd is that he can play all 3 positions. He’s the utility WR with actual skills to get it done when he needs to.
But, if I’m wrong about Austin, they can just move Hurd to #2. We lose the deep threat, but I would trust Hurd to run correct routes and be able to make the catch.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
Hurd looked great in the game
All this talk about Austin over the off season and I forgot how good Hurd and Crayton are. I think if Hurd keeps it up, I can sleep a little easier knowing we have a solid receiver to come in in case of an injury to one of our starters.
Epic Fail since 1985
I can't believe people are trying to jduge talent by what round you went in
How ignorant is that?
Once you get drafted whatever round you went in doesn’t matter…If your trying to gauge talent by looking at who has 1st and 2nd rounders and who has UDFA’s then your an idiot.
The Jaguars had all kinds of 1st round WR’s, Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, Troy Williamson, hell these guys were TOP 10 picks OMG Jax must of had the best WR core EVER
Please.
by LonghornsLegend on Aug 15, 2009 11:49 PM CDT reply actions
Just to add to that, teams like Baltimore or even Jacksonville still would love to have a guy like Sam Hurd on the team. He’s not a game breaker, someone who will catch a screen and be a threat to score, but sometimes it’s more important keeping a drive alive with a clutch catch, and I think most of us have known for awhile Romo trust throwing Hurd the ball in crucial situations.
by LonghornsLegend on Aug 15, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Ravens have a guy like that in Mason
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 16, 2009 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
not anymore
he retired last year.
I would love it if Hurd develops into a Derrick Mason type of player.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
retired last month***
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
-Winston Churchill
He changed his mind. He's playin.
OBSERVATION - EMOTION = COMMON SENSE
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 16, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
We're talking about Favre, right?
The guy that used to play for Green Bay?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Hurd is just a footballer
he wants to be on the field. #1, #2, #4, special teams. he doesn’t care. He works to get better and to play. Thats all he cares about.
you need guys like that on your team.
+1 You can never have enough guys on your team like that.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
Austin
and Hurd are different receivers, we need Austin more than we need Hurd, we have several Hurds on the team already.
I dont agree....
I like to have 4 or 5 guys who can step up and just do the job. ….we have to function as a team. We cannit put all the pressure on one T.O, one Romo, etc….let them all do a little bit of it. Will make our offense more difficult to stop.
We all want that but thats not what this is about.
Its about taking guys with talent but putting them in roles where that talent can best be utilized.
Hurd and Crayton can get deep but they arent burners. Crayton is what he is, which is better than competent. I think Hurd could be better WR for us underneath with outs and crossing the middle than Crayton. He is tough, fearless and can make the tough catches. I think he can be a better Crayton.
Since Terry Glenn went down all I have heard is how we need a deep threat to create space. Need speed! The only guy that could fill that role on this staff is Austin and you guys want him to fail. Whats up with that?
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
Y'all get your tickets...
to Sam Hurd’s gun show?
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 16, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions
I always knew Hurd was the real deal
All you had to do was watch him play, but like Austin and Stanback, staying healthy has been his main problem.
In Romo we Trust
Word. Hurd.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Aug 16, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
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