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Dallas Cowboys 2009 Training Camp: Evaluating the Roster So Far

What these two guys see at camp counts for a lot more than what I see, but that never stopped me from spouting an opinion.

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What these two guys see at camp counts for a lot more than what I see, but that never stopped me from spouting an opinion.

Now seems like a good time for some player evaluations based on the first week of training camp practices. I'm going to concentrate mainly on the backups and the bubble players, the starters are pretty much set and evaluating them against these practices is not as useful as relying on recent regular-season play from the past couple of years. Although I will briefly touch on some for the sake of a full evaluation.

For example, both Martellus Bennett and Jason Witten have been omnipresent during practices. Tight end is definitely one position that we won't have to worry about. Also, Tony Romo has been his normal self. He's throwing well for the most part and he's continuing to hit the first-read if open or checking down to the second or third options when needed. The leadership question is not something I can truly evaluate from these practices because I can't hear what's being said on the field and these aren't game-like conditions. His connection with Roy has been discussed to death in many places, but suffice it to say when Romo sees Roy open, he throws it to him, if Roy is not the first-read or if he's covered, Romo is spreading the ball around.

As for Roy himself, he's doing his job just like one would expect. He's not the dominant force at camp that Terrell Owens was, but that doesn't mean when the real games finally arrive that he won't be a force and he is definitely helping other guys get open as discussed in this practice report. Patrick Crayton has been what we've come to expect, solid and dependable.

Much more after the jump.

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Both Felix Jones and Tashard Choice have looked very good, with Choice especially standing out by showing his uncanny ability to negotiate traffic and gain yards. Marion Barber is at a disadvantage in camp because the nature of his game is physical contact and punishing tacklers while picking up extra-yards. That is not on display during these sessions but I don't think Cowboys fans are worried about MB3 for the regular season.

The starting o-line has progressed nicely with the return of Kyle Kosier and despite the defense winning more of the camp days than the offense, there haven't been a lot of noticeable jailbreak rushes on the QB's. The last couple of practices have had the offense on the move; this bodes well for the line. It's hard to evaluate all of the line while still watching the skill positions that are handling the ball, but I think they're doing fine for the moment.

On defense, Jay Ratliff and DeMarcus Ware have really stood out but I think that was to be expected. Anthony Spencer had been quiet until the past couple of practices where I've noticed his activity picking up. Keith Brooking has yet to show a lot, but I'm willing to give him some time to familiarize himself with the Cowboys defense, so the last weeks of camp and whatever time he plays in pre-season will be more instructive. Mike Jenkins has been solid, I like what I've seen from him, ditto Orlando Scandrick. The guy I wanted to see in the secondary was Gerald Sensabaugh and so far I'm impressed. He has show a nice ability to diagnose runs, screens and short passes and make his way through the blocking to get in on the plays. There hasn't been a lot of action in the deep middle so that would lead me to believe that he and Ken Hamlin are doing well in coverage.

With all that out of the way, let's talk about the other players.

QB - I don't think Jon Kitna has had that strong of a camp so far. He's had three or four plays where there have been timing issues in the backfield where he's collided or almost collided with other offensive players on handoffs, guys in motion or guys pulling for blocks. This is probably just an issue of him getting familiar with the timing of the Cowboys offense. In some of the 7-on-7's I think he's missed some open reads. Don't panic though, he's light years ahead of Brad Johnson and he has the arm-strength to threaten teams deep. I suspect as time goes along he'll get more comfortable. Stephen McGee is exactly what you'd expect, a young QB that has a long way to go before being ready for real NFL action.

RB - We already have our three running backs. At FB, it's probably going to be Deon Anderson. With the 2-TE set being used more and more by the Cowboys, this position has less emphasis.

TE - John Phillips is by far the best backup TE we have at camp (I'm considering Bennett a co-starter). Coming out of college he kind of had the rep as a blocker, but he can catch the ball and has been showing the ability to get open. I don't think there's a real competition between him and Rodney Hannah, at this point its Phillips hands down.

WR - Both Miles Austin and Sam Hurd started off slow but in the last couple of practices have really come on. Especially Hurd, who lacks some of the "star" abilities you normally associate with a receiver but he gets open and makes catches. He's got sure-hands and I think he has locked down that 4th receiver spot. Austin hasn't been special yet, but he is making good progress in this camp and his abilities over the past couple of days have started to show. Isaiah Stanback had not blossomed in this camp, he's had some good days but other days he dropped some passes. Now, with his injury, he's got some work to do. Why? Because both Mike Jefferson and Willie Reid have turned in very solid performances. Two years ago in San Antonio, Jefferson would get open all the time but couldn't catch anything. Now, he's showing good hands and making plays. Willie Reid, in the past couple of practices, has started to turn it on and the Cowboys could use him in the return game on special teams. I see a good battle coming on. The only other receiver to stand out is Kevin Ogletree, who has made some nice plays, so I'll throw him in the mix.

OL - Nobody new is really standing out. If I had to guess right now, it would be Doug Free, Montrae Holland, Cory Procter and Pat McQuistan as backups. I'm not a fan of McQ and was hoping that Robert Brewster would replace him, but since he's out I think its McQ by default. At guard, I'm pretty sure it will be Holland and Free will definitely be the other backup tackle. They've given Holland a few reps at center, but not a lot and not enough to convince me they are going to consider him as the legitimate backup center, meaning they have to keep Procter again. None of the other OL backups have stood out so far.

DE - At defensive end, Marcus Dixon has made a few plays as has relatively unknown Derreck Robinson. Is it enough to unseat either Bown or Hatcher? No way. And considering they are using Bowen as one of the down linemen in the nickel formation, I think the Cowboys feel secure with Olshansky, Spears, Bowen and Hatcher. I wouldn't say any of these guys have had spectacular camps, except maybe Bowen who has done some good things, but they are solid.

NT - Still a weakness behind the Rat. Neither Junior Siavii nor Jonas Seawright has been impressive. One of them will get the backup position by default. Right now, Siavii is getting the majority of the second-team reps so I suspect it will be him.

OLB - This is a position where I have been impressed with some of the backups. Victor Butler has especially caught my eye, along with Steve Octavien. Butler has shown he can rush the passer and has put himself above the rest of the guys in that respect. I'm looking forward to seeing him play in pre-season games. I never even thought about Octavien before this camp, I figured he was your typical camp body, but so far, the kid has made plays. If he keeps it up, he may have a real shot at sticking around. Less impressive so far has been Brandon Williams. He had a good practice the other day, but has been overshadowed by the other two guys mentioned above.

ILB - Bobby Carpenter is doing his usual thing, and that's having a good camp. Last year in Oxnard, the guy made a ton of plays but never saw the field in the regular season. Again in this camp, he's been very active and has been the cover linebacker in the nickel. I don't think there's any chance he won't be on the roster come September and from what I can tell they plan to play him. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I had high hopes for Jason Williams but so far it's been slow going. He hasn't really showed up in a significant way. Maybe he's a gamer, or maybe he's just adjusting to a new defensive role, or adjusting to the pro game. Whatever the case, he hasn't stood out so far. Stephen Hodge needs to get healthy and get on the field before we can even begin to evaluate him. Matt Stewart and Justin Rogers have been pretty much invisible, although Stewart is the backup long snapper, so that might help him. Also, as a caveat with a lot of these guys (not just the OLBs), we haven't seen them play in live-action special teams situations yet. That could change the evaluation on a lot of these guys because that is where they'll mainly contribute. So a couple of pre-season games could make these early evaluations irrelevant.

CB - Unfortunately, the backup CBs have been getting toasted regularly in camp. Mike Mickens has not been the steal of the Cowboys draft that many fans hoped for. His lack of recovery speed is an issue, he hasn't been reading the routes all that well and just hasn't made many plays. Courtney Brown has been roasted more than a pack of hotdogs at a Boy Scout camp out. I have no confidence that we could rely on him. The guy I liked early in camp was Michael Hawkins, he made plays but his injury has slowed down that progress, he needs to get back out there and try to claim a spot.

S - I like what Michael Hamlin has showed so far. He still needs to work on knowing the defensive coverages and reacting quicker to guys coming into his zone, but he shows nice athletic ability and he gets his hands on the ball, and he can catch it when he does. If I had to evaluate his future based on 5-6 practices, I would say it's bright. DeAngelo Smith hasn't really caught my eye yet so I can't really say much about him. Pat Watkins has done nothing in camp to change my opinion, he just doesn't seem to live up to his physical gifts. Alan Ball hasn't stood out. Jerome Carter is a big kid, in his pads he almost looks like a linebacker. He hasn't made a lot of plays yet so I can't put too much confidence in him. If I had to guess, it's a battle between Smith, Watkins and Ball for the fourth spot behind Hamlin, Sensabaugh and Hamlin.

That's what I can tell you so far, but based on six training camp practices, it's by no means a set-in-stone evaluation. Also, without film to watch, you can miss a lot of things. For example, if you're watching the ball on most plays, you really don't see what the safeties, or the other corners are doing in coverage.  Admittedly, I consider these evaluations to be somewhat incomplete, but it's the best I can do.

If I've missed anybody or you have questions, I'll try to answer them. There's another practice this afternoon so come back for that practice report.

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Nice Breakdown

That was a good little summary Grizz.

If you had to pick one player that has probably had the most suprising camp, who would it be?

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 2, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How are our Kickers looking?

Especially Folk…coming off surgery

by thejanusman on Aug 2, 2009 11:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: kickers

found this from Josh Ellis on DC.com:

Buehler and Nick Folk were on the field at the same time while the Cowboys worked at onside kicks, one of them faking the squib, and the other booting it the necessary 10 yards.

Keeping two kickers on the roster gives the Cowboys some interesting possibilities.

“Joe (DeCamillis) is an innovator on special teams,” Buehler said. “With two kickers he’s trying to look for any advantage he can. So we could either go left, or go right. There are two able kickers out there to get the job done, it’s just a matter of what setup the defense shows. It’s a weapon most teams don’t have.”

http://www.truebluefanclub.com/blogs/josh_ellis.cfm?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&userid=8ad9a5ae-68fd-47d1-a7d7-e4c8fcb84090&plckPostId=Blog%3a8ad9a5ae-68fd-47d1-a7d7-e4c8fcb84090Post%3ac177dc08-800b-4f6b-841d-8233a07e1245&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 2, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's really cool

And since Beuhler is a big boy, he can lay some wood too if necessary. Great stuff!

by sublimezg on Aug 2, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, this is an angle I didn't even think about

since Beuhler can cover returns well, you can actually put them both of them in on kickoffs at the same time and leave the other team guessing as to whether it will be power or directional, left or right, and even on-sides one way or the other. good stuff.

by scottmaui on Aug 2, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

receivers

Does Jesse Holley have any chance? He seems to make the catches the few times they have looked his way

by albigaes on Aug 2, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would make a strong guess...

that no would be the answer. Let’s say you keep 6 receivers. Roy,Pat,Austin,Hurd are locks, but then he would have to beat out Willie Reid who offers special teams qualities and Mike Jefferson who knows the system and has been groomed by Dallas.

Chances are not high.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 2, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Practice squad would be something though.

It would get his foot in the door, earn him a nice salary, and, assuming he doesn’t get hired away by another team, a chance to come back and compete next year when he does know the system.

by krl97a on Aug 2, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he makes the PS because

it legitimizes the show and adds another bit of sizzle and attention – and that is how Jerry rolls.

by I_miss_Switzer on Aug 3, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've wondered about that

It’s certainly a possibility

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 3, 2009 5:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not buying

I think you fill the seats with wins, not gimmicks… imagine Beuhler missing a tackle on a play that decides the game.

He’ll get his shot on kick-offs, but unless he actually earns it, I don’t expect to see him on other special teams.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 3, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We were talking about

Holley on the practice squad which has zilch to do with games

by I_miss_Switzer on Aug 3, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, not sure where/why/how I read beuhler into that?

Holley on the PS? What’s the point?

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 3, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To reinforce the show as a way into the NFL

Jerry was clearly involved in the show and the franchise beneifts from it in terms of publicity, so Holley making the PS would reinforce the marketing relationship. Or so the line of thinking goes.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 3, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to give Mike Mickens a little more time.

After the knee injury last Fall and having to miss OTA’s because school wasn’t over for him yet he’s got to be a little rusty. I don’t think he’ll ever be the kind of player Jenkins and Scandrick are, but he may make a decent 4th CB.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 2, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeaahh

u got to remember he didnt really attend any OTA’s because of college. I dont really think Orlando stood out at first either. JUst give him time and let Campo work with him some.Mickens also made plays in camp to from what i heard.

by lostar2009 on Aug 2, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True True

Scandrick was roasted a bit in camp early last season in Oxnard. A few times by everyones favorite receiver Stanbach! Seemed to pan out just fine.

"No room for toe dippers....."

by Lowdaddy on Aug 2, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

'Much more after the jump'

That’s exactly what I’m looking for on this site. Much appreciated.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 2, 2009 11:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding Safety

         “If I had to guess, it’s a battle between Smith, Watkins and Ball for the fourth spot behind Hamlin, Sensabaugh and Hamlin.”

Then I would call tan end to the Watkins experiment.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 2, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Watkins is gone too,

but I expect both DeAngelo Smith and Alan Ball to make the squad, both of them have/are getting CB and Safety experience.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 2, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watkins biggest problem is mental mistakes

he counted for a huge number of our ST penalties last year, mostly personal fouls, plus at least one of the 12 men penalties.

by scottmaui on Aug 2, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he has a mental block

From the time he was a rookie that’s been the case. We’ve seen him be in a position to make plays and stand flat footed while a WR goes up and makes a big catch.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 2, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope the B/U NT isn't on the roster

That position makes me very nervous, hopefully there will be someone better tan we have cut off someone else’s roster.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 2, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OL is my other major concern

It’s amazing it will be the same cast of characters as last year.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 2, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About the b/u NT spot,

maybe they keep 5 DE’s this year (Dixon) since both Spears and Olshansky are getting some NT reps?

Likewise disappointed about the OL situation.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 2, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 2, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

Is Dixon a candidate for NT at all?

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 2, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Sands

from Oakland. the Raiders were shopping him in early July.
6’7" 335. A oad in the middle

by oneforthethumb on Aug 2, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is really a great summary...

I know it’s early, but you frame the battles and allow us to start to understand who the front-runners are… excellent work.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 2, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll second that.

Grizz, your reports and articles like this one are better than anything else out there. And when Rafael shows up, I’m going to feel as if I’m actually with you guys in San Antonio.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 2, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see

more creative punctuation and squidlo told me he’d like to know on a player-by-player basis what they have on their IPODs.

This is great stuff Grizz, as always.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 2, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!! Your killing me.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 2, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great job.

You do a better job than the guys from DC.com do. Keep up the great work!!!!!!

by Capn B on Aug 2, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 2, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grizz, if Flo would go down

based on what you’ve seen so far, would you be comfortable with inserting Free into the lineup, or would you feel more secure with moving Bigg to LT and inserting Holland at guard?

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 2, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would try Free first

I think the kid has the talent, he just needs the playing time. I feel like moving Bigg would weaken the interior and Bigg’s not the same player at LT that he is at guard. I would go with Free.

by Dave Halprin on Aug 2, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It great to hear you say that

You’ve watched them with your own eyes and that’s exactly what I would hope the answer would be

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 2, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here

the right side run blocking especially has been so good I’d hate to mess with it.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 2, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been saying

Free is a better option than Flo, Iwant an athletic left tackle.

Flo is better at the point of attack and better for a runner like Barber, but Free is a better left tackle for a guy like Felix. Just my opinion.

Plus Free is strong against speed rushers.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 2, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen your posts about Free

Are you saying you would bench Flo? If Free is even in the conversation and close to doing that I’m really excited.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 2, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm not saying that at all

I’m starting Flo, no question, but if he did get injured, my first step would be to put Free in. Only if Free couldn’t handle it (I think he could) would I consider moving Bigg to LT.

by Dave Halprin on Aug 2, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Holland is probably our best backup OL,

but only making one change is usually the sensible play. I would sooner see Free than Bigg.

Good question Terry – OL depth is still a cause for concern.

by I_miss_Switzer on Aug 3, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great breakdown Grizz, as always.

I think with Stanback not blowing up in TC and being injured again, it is safe to say the clock is ticking on him.

I’d like to see Holley make the practice squad, he obviously has a lot of heart and a year in our system might make him a player. I would rather give him a chance than waste a roster spot on stanback again. I feel for the kid but he just can’t seem to stay on the field.

by Billito on Aug 2, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+10000000000

Great stuff, you catch way more than the guys at DMN

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 2, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm amazed

at the detail you can get, Grizz, without the benefit of tape to replay. Great work.

Is McQ a total loss or is there any hope he can improve?

Don’t think we are going to get a real feel for how much the ST units have improved until we go full speed against other guys — i.e. preseason games.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Aug 2, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kinda bummed about Mickens, though I think he'll improve.

Good to hear your thoughts on Michael Hawkins. He’s the guy I’ve been wanting to push for a spot and if he can stay healthy I believe he will.

by sublimezg on Aug 2, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sad to hear that about Brown

oh well, Hopefully Hawkins can get healthy

by quincyyyyy on Aug 2, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Off topic, but...

Is there a way to disable the facebook popup that was added to the main page recently?

(Great report btw Grizz, I love the coverage you are providing!)

by Spaceball on Aug 2, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Grizz

Nice breakdown.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 2, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Camp Observations

I’ve been to several camp practices and enclosed are my observations:
QB: Best group of QBs I’ve seen. Romo looks great. Kitna still has a good arm and is learning the system. McGee will be good, but needs time. Carpenter is a real fine and needs a place on the Practice Squad.
RB: Great strength. Barber is looking for contact. Felix is moving at a different speed. Choice is so elusive.
TE: Another strength. They are catch everything.
WR: Concern area. RW has tons of natural ability, but not a high motor. Walking with helmet off most of the times. RW, Crayton, Miles and Hurd will be on the roster. Stanback will not. The 5th and/or 6th will consist of Johnson, Hawkins, Williams or Ogletree. Holley is practice squar at best.
OL: Another concern. Depth is the key since OL is aging. Free and Holland need to step it up and they have the ability.
DL: Strong group, just needs to find good backups.
LB: Ware is blowing by everyone. Brookings is a good addition. He is hitting and mentoring the youngsters. Carpenters looks good, but time will tell. James is solid. The rookies have lots of ability with Butler and Williams rushing hard. Octavien has been a big surprise by making plays.
DBs: Good group. Need Newman to stay healthy. Scandrick looks good along with Jenkins. Sensabaugh should be a good addition due to improved cover skills. Rookies look good, but are facing NFL learning curve. Mickens, Williams and Hawkins will be solid contributors.
ST: Should be much improved with DeCamillis and emphasis being palce at every practice.

I was a harsh critic of the draft, but many will be contributors. The pace of practice is good and everyone is paying attention. I wish they would ban Rowdy from pactice since he is such a distraction! I hope everyone gets a chance to go to practice. These threads are great, but it does not beat the real thing!

by Silver Bullets on Aug 2, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Carpenter (QB) is practice squad material?

That would be a pleasant and unexpected surprise.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 2, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy Carpenter

Yes, he looked good to me. Compared to the QBs they have had in the past camps in S.A. He has a good arm and is athletic. He would be worth the investment since Kitna is not going to be around a long time and McGee is developing.

by Silver Bullets on Aug 2, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why so insistent, Norm???

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 2, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why so insistent, Norm???

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 3, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crap

for a second there, I thought I had done that.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 3, 2009 5:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Silver B. You and the Grizz have inspired me to go to SA next wkend to check out the team for myself.

But I’m not surprised about J.Philips, most pre-draft mags had him, and this is an actual quote,“quietly one of the best all-around tes in the draft”. The Boys would be stupid to think he would clear waivers for the practice squad.
Do you really think R.Carpenter is that good? Haven’t heard that anywhere else.

by cypher on Aug 2, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

R Carpenter

Yes. He is athletic, has a good arm and has the same height and weight as the other QBs. I was impressed with his throws and management of the huddle, especially a a undrafted rookie free agent. He is raw and needs work, but he is a gamer.

by Silver Bullets on Aug 2, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the 1st hand observations

Under your 5th WR’s list, is that Williams supposed to be Jefferson?

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 2, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct.

Jefferson is in the mix for 5th or 6th WR.

by Silver Bullets on Aug 2, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you so quick to write off Stanback?

Seems he was playing well until the injury? I read that he dropped a couple… or are you ruling him out because of the injury?

I seem to be the kiss of death for guys… so I’ll go ahead and pencil in Stanbach as my come-back kid.

Surprise us all Stanbach!!!

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 3, 2009 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds like the offense is solid.

but, the secondary is thin.. After the starters we have a bunch question marks.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Aug 2, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

it sounds like safety might be pretty good, but corner depth not so much.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 2, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wonder about corner depth

i’ve read all these posts, but not very closely – are these young backup cbs (aside from ball) being matched up against austin, crayton, hurd and getting burned? or guys like jefferson, johnson, holley?cause i think thats understandable – those first three are no slouches, not all star receivers of course, but they are quality and hurd always seems to tear it up in training camp.

Regardless, its wayyy too early to develop an opinion on guys like smith and mickens

by foyesboys on Aug 3, 2009 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

it sounds like no one has jumped out like last year with Scandrick, but it’s early yet.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 3, 2009 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice breakdown

thanks a lot Grizz.

by DCowboy on Aug 2, 2009 11:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Danger Will Robinson!!!

No depth behind Ratliff…

The guy can’t play all the snaps so we WILL see some slob in there trying to stuff all-pro guards in the NFC East and if they fail miserably, fans will be faced with another position nightmare (a la Brad Johnson in 2008) where the whole team suffers because of it.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 3, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that will only happen if Rat gets hurt

and the slob you’re talking about has to play significant minutes or even games. Otherwise, the backup isn’t going to see enough playing time for it to matter.

Also, if Rat gets hurt, I’m sure the Cowboys will trade for a decent NT depending on the extent of the injury.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 3, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Solid job Grizz...

Keep it up, Proud to be a fan!

by psychodad on Aug 4, 2009 12:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I really hate that Hawkins went down with injury

I really felt like he was a darkhorse to make this team, it’s not like the guy’s not talented, he was on his way to being a 1st round pick out of OU before he got kicked off the team, he has issues staying healthy(showing those right now) and being physical, but flat out the guy can cover like one of the best.

Is there any word on how serious the knee injury is? If he can’t go soon you may as well forget about him, but if he could finish to have a strong camp and pre-season I think it’s very likely he can make the 53.

by LonghornsLegend on Aug 4, 2009 7:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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