Should Scandrick and Jenkins be the starting corners?
by squidlo97 on Aug 2, 2009 2:30 PM CDT
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The one question coming into the new season that doesnt seem to have a wrong answer is, "Should Jenkins or Scandrick be the starting CB opposite of Newman." With the skills, speed, youth, and play of their rookie years their just doesnt seem to be a wrong answer. Every report I read or quote from Phillips is alway about how good these guys are at man to man coverage. How they not giving up catches in 7 on 7 drills. Though I havent been to camp to see it with my own eyes, Tnew seems to be giving up more catches than the young guns. These guys are already good and they seem to be getting better fast.
I havent heard this question asked but, "Why cant Scandrick and Jenkins start." I guess the thought of someone as talented as Newman being benched is scary. He is still a top notch athlete who happens to be a savvy vet. The thought of him not being on the field for 2 youngsters is a big leap of faith and can quickly cost a season and a bunch of jobs. For a coach the easy choice seems to be Newman. He is a guy you wont lose any sleep over.
The thing is both of these young guys can play, and regardless of what happens, will play at least 60% of defensive snaps. I cant also help thinking that switching Newman to the 3rd corner will extend his career and lessen his chances of being injured or "dinged up." Newman is on the wrong side of 30 and has has numerous dings the past couple of years. The fact that we dont have a 4th corner who can step up and play scares me.
Their are several questions that need to be considered. Will Newman being moved to 3rd CB and his playing time being cut 30-40% lessen his chance of being injured? Will it extend his career and help him hold up to the end of his contract? Will he pout and demand a trade? Will Wade Phillips annoucing both CB positions are up for grabs light a fire under Newman? Is he still that much better than the other 2.
Terrance Newman is still a top CB and a proud athlete. This question might be a year to early but "Should Scandrick and Jenkins be starting?"
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by Wmillion on Aug 2, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting idea
I doubt it will happen as Wade doesn’t seem to have the cajones to bench a vet like T-New but I think you are right about him being the 3rd corner extending his career.
Like it or not, his body is in decline and I am dubious that he has a full NFL season as a starter left in him. Having his as the #3 would keep him fresh throughout the game and the season and allow him to be at his best late in games.
by Billito on Aug 2, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When I actually gave this thread a little more thought, I figured it was a year to early to even ask.
I also found myself assuming that maybe the young guys were better cause of all of the positive press they get. Then I realized they are the story and with Newman being the veteran he probably saving a little for later in camp. Older guys who have the team made pace themselves from burnout. I also have a new found respect for BSPN. Its not easy writing about something when your clueless about the real details of whats happening.
Still, I though it was an interesting thought about extending Newmans career and I was tired of RW the #1, Wades HCing ability, and Garretts OC abilitys, ect… endless debates that wont be answered til Dec/Jan. It just seem like an interesting question faced by a HC.
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by squidlo97 on Aug 2, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Priceless!!!
I also have a new found respect for BSPN. Its not easy writing about something when your clueless about the real details of whats happening.
by GalTex on Aug 3, 2009 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TNew looking great in camp
The other 2 have received most of the press because of the interest in how they are progressing, but the reports I’ve heard indicate that TNew looks smooth, fast, and up until yesterday fully healed, and still looks like the elite CB he is when healthy. Let’s just hope this groin strain is as minor as they are saying and he’s back on the field in the #1 spot quickly. Meanwhile, we can be confident that a few years from now when TNew is ready to retire or move on, we’ll have 2 more very good and possibly elite CBs ready to start opposite each other.
by scottmaui on Aug 9, 2009 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I’d like to see the youngsters get another full season under their belts before seriously considering this question.
That said, if Newman does go down to injury this year, the question will have already been answered.
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by 24Hz on Aug 2, 2009 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Newman probably has a year, maybe two before he is knocked down to being the third CB....
Think about this one….pretty soon Newman’s age and salary will be too great and they will have to cut him or ask him to restructure his contract. I’m thinking he will be reduced to the 3rd CB before that point and may be cut before Jenkins and Scandricks rookie contracts run out. If Jenkins and Scandrick are that good they will be forced to start both with in two years….
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 4, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see them restructuring down the road but Newman(barring injury) has the look
of an Aaron Glenn type. A guy that can play at a high level in his mid 30s. You absolutely have to have 3 CBs in todays game and Tnew can still be major asset with tudoring and leadership. Thats one of the reasons the thought of moving to 3rd corner occured to me. To extend his career.
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by squidlo97 on Aug 4, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's ridiculous
Newman will be the #1 CB for this year, next year, and then maybe you can hopefully have some legit debate on whether he’s the #2 CB if the sophomore CB’s continue to progress. But #3 in one or 2 years is ridiculous. Why don’t you give up trying to downgrade Newman in every post you’ve made since he was re-signed just as you predicted he wouldn’t be.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 4, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Darrell Green
Performed at a very high level for a very long time. Just hope T-New does the same.
Garrett needs to get a clue!
by BulletBob on Aug 5, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They both have that track star background
So there’s reason to hope. Darrell Green was ageless— the guy is in a class by himself— but T-New does share some of his physical characteristics.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Aug 7, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Even a Question Tnew is still a top 10 corner in my opinion
by rioplayer7 on Aug 2, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Easily top 10.
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by squidlo97 on Aug 3, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes way.....we know you're a hater
but Newman is definitely one of the best CBs in the league hands down. I doubt you could name 5 better.
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by Terry on Aug 5, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gonna list some for fun ... no particular order .. stir things up a bit
Nnamdi Asomugha
Asante Samuel
Charles Tillman
Champ Bailey
Ronde Barber
Cortland Finnegan
Chris Gamble
Antonio Cromartie
Al Harris
Walt Harris
Marcus Trufant
Lito Sheppard
Rashean Mathis
*I apologize for spellings
by fuji1232 on Aug 5, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only Asomugha and Bailey are in Newman's league
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by Terry on Aug 5, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Samuel and Gamble are better. Darelle Revis is better (although not on this list for some reason). I also think Carlos Rogers (also conspicuously absent) has already bumped Newman down a notch.
BTW, Finnegan will overtake him this year if he hasn’t already. That is, if he stays healthy.
Most would pick Al Harris over Newman, I would not.
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by 5Blings on Aug 5, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trufant, gamble…. lito and baily are in no way’s better.. and cromartie was the worst starting cb in the nfl last year. So i would say top 5 easy….
by regaberto on Aug 5, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Gamble is a CB that is rising
Newman is not…
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
by 5Blings on Aug 6, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's because Newman is already elite and has been for a while
we have two young CBs who are rising and will be better than Gamble.
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by Terry on Aug 7, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, check your metrics
What are you basing this on? Gamble had an AWFUL 2008. Lucas was the far superior Carolina CB.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Aug 7, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamble was TERRIBLE last year. Lucas was good. Which is why it made no sense when the Panthers cut Lucas and kept Gamble.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Aug 7, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al Haris?
He is average at best. Charles Woodson is in Newman’s class though. I watch every Packers game and for the last two years Al Harris has been living on a reputation that was inflated to begin with.
I think Newman, when healthy, is probably a top 10 CB, top 15 for sure. I think he will remain in that class for a few more years.
by Cowboy Louie on Aug 6, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Concerned About Newman's Health
So I think the younger guys, including Ball and maybe Mickens could see some extended time this year. But I would not sit Newman in favor of Scandrick or Jenkins. Especially Jenkins right now.
by kindablue on Aug 2, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There have been a number of articles out there...
…and it sounds like T-New is the healthiest he has been in 3-4 years. He believes the injuries were causes by an old knee injury from his second season that caused him to favor his left side, leading to the plantar facsitis, groin, and hammy injuries (all on the left side). He’s corrected that and seems very confident that he will be able to remain healthy. Campo has backed it up, saying he looks better than he has in years.
I know that the offseason stories on every single NFL player sound similarly positive, but I’m hopeful.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Aug 7, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way
But, as been pointed out many times, even if Scandrick is the #3 CB, he’s still getting a lot of time on the field.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 2, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True, but so is the reverse, Newman would still be on the field every passing play or 60% of defensive snaps.
He is not being turned out to pasture but just limiting his exposure to injuries.
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by squidlo97 on Aug 2, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed there
But TNew is still better in run support than Jenkins and Scandrick.
No matter how you look at it, TNew has certainly earned the #1 spot, while Jenkins and Scandrick are still learning.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 2, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because Newman is one of the best CBs in the league
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 2, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely at least a year too early for this discussion
But Newman will prob get hurt and they’ll be our starters for 6-8 games anyways.
by ChrisRichey on Aug 2, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That is my fear. Him getting hurt.
Stll another season under the belt for Scandrick and Jenkins is the smart decision.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Aug 3, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not happening
although it might just be a good thing for both him and the Cowboys in the sense that it would extend his playing career, I just don’t see it happening mainly because of his contract, regardless of who is the better player he is getting paid like an elite corner when JJ extended his original contract and is paying him 50 million for the life of said contract.
by DCowboy on Aug 3, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Newman wont even come close to seeing the end of that contract
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 4, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know if that contract will be a deal breaker 4-5 years from now. With the economy the way it is
revenues could come down but i don think they will for football. He wont be under paid by the end of it, but I dont think he will be over paid either.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Aug 4, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks
We’ll get to see both guys start when Newman gets hurt at some point, but no reason at all to bench him, he’s arguably the top corner in the league when healthy, and now you want to bench him for a few 2nd year corners who had solid rookie seasons?
League just doesn’t work like that.
by LonghornsLegend on Aug 4, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Newman is becoming injury prone.....
another reason to consider moving him to the 3rd spot next year…
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 4, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 4, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?? he isn't injured this year
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by Terry on Aug 5, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only a week into training camp
I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets hurt again before November
by Burt88 on Aug 6, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may be arguable the best when healthy. Which is exactly why I want to keep him healthy.
I Really think Newman is elite but Im very high on Jenkins and Scandrick. They could be elite after 14 more games.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Aug 4, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Champ Bailey has been injured too
Maybe Denver should start Alphonso Smith above him, and throw Bailey in the slot to limit his snaps.
Come on man, that makes no sense…Newman is this teams best corner, putting him on the bench when we have 2 corners on the field would be pointless and stupid, neither Jenkins or Scandrick are better then Newman yet.
There is plenty of time to let them start in the future, no need in rushing things, and your not even taking into account how he’s a leader on this defense, and benching him for 2 2nd year players would set a bad precedent and have people upset in the locker room. It’s just not logical, no matter how good we think those 2 will be.
by LonghornsLegend on Aug 6, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The author...
I hope he knows that these players are getting paid to play.
Follow the money.
Not even getting into the fact that Newman is 5 times better than either of these two right now. Newman does everything well. He’s one of the most well rounded CB’s in football.
Go Cowboys!
by DCFanatic on Aug 5, 2009 10:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Money will keep you on a team but not neccessarily on the field. Carpenter couldnt buy playinvg time.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Aug 7, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
since when did Carp sign a big contract??
he’s playing on his rookie contract
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by Terry on Aug 7, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First round draft picks are often used in follow the money arguements. Follow the money or cost.
First rounders cost the club a valuble pick. They are paid well though not like your first FA contract.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Aug 8, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a sneaky thing to do...
…but I’d rather keep cheap Scandrick in the slot and put the guy with the huge contract (Terence) in the starting line-up as our #1 CB. Then you may be able to do an extension with Scandrick in the next 2 years without having to pay him #1 CB Nnamdi money because he won’t have every played as a #1 shutdown CB. So you could get a bit of a discount (still a fair amount of $, but not Nnamdi money).
The Eagles do this— they extend guys like Lito Shepard before they peak as starters, and it ends up really helping their cap situation. You could argue it’s sneaky and not fair to the players, but it’s a sound business practice.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
by Tim Wilson on Aug 7, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point. You make him number 1 and you will have to pay him Tnew money.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
by squidlo97 on Aug 7, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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