The Good, The Great, The Beautiful
I wanted to title it, The Good, Bad, & Ugly, but decided to take a different slant. As most of you have come to know, I'm an optimist. I actually believe our coaches at their word and have the audacity to think that they actually know what they're doing.
But I'm not blinded by some myopic Utopian vision. There are problems with this team. But so is the state of every other team in the NFL. The salary cap and everything that has been done in the name of "parity" has assured this outcome. But I can't escape the fact that without it, we'd be Baseball. Sorry, I like the fact that not just the powerhouses can win. Look at Baseball, Soccer, and F1. The Yankees, Man U's, and Ferrarri's of the world will always be good and the rest will try to compete every now and then.
So in light of the realities, I've chosen a few of our (perceived) weaknesses and take an honest look at the answers.
1. No answer for t.o.'s production: No matter what you think of the personality, there's no denying his production. Somehow, some way, the "explosiveness" of the record setting Offense has to be replaced. This is the main theme of all preseason rags.
While this argument is not without merit, let me just add that the records broken were from the Danny White era, not Staubach, not Aikman. Stats are great (for fantasy football), but Championships are won by great teams. Sure, there's the exceptions like Offensive juggernauts Washington, SF, and StL and the Defense-only Bucs, Ravens, Giants and Steelers. But these years were also real exceptions to the norm. In each case, they played teams that were "lucky" to be there. Most times, it takes good, balanced teams that "came together".
But back to the point. How can this team be an Offensive Juggernaut?
- 12 or 'Heavy' formations- This was BP's vision. A team that could sustain long drives and win close games. He missed on Fasano. We hit on Marty B. The 2-TE offensive scheme is nearly impossible to stop, if you have the guns. Stop the run? Okay, take this (Roy Williams, Crayton, Witten, 'Tellus, and Felix). Bring in your dime? How 'bout 2 tons of fun coming at you with 7 of the biggest, baddest dudes against your front 5 or 6!
- Roy Williams - Say what you want, but the stats are in his favor. Yes, he was ignored and injured last year. Yes, he's been dinged nearly every year. But not seriously. And the fact is that he's a great catcher of the football. He competes and wins most 1-on-1 battles.
- Ball Control- Can this team really do what it did for a half against the AFC's #1 seed? Drives like that take me back to the '90s. Sure, we may have a few hiccups and only be ahead 14-10 in a bunch of games. But the 2nd half is going to be pure hell for a defense that has been on the field TWICE as long. This type of plan is the BP blueprint to Championships.
2. Can Romo/Wade win in December/January? I should say the team, but it comes down to these guys when any debate comes up. The Mediots say "Yeah, well, I'll believe it when I see it". Romo comes up short and Wade gets out-coached.
Now most of you weren't around for the 60's version. Hell, I was child with a Cowboys jersey cheering because my Grandad did. But I grew up every Thanksgiving going to the games. I remember them being "Next Year's Champions". And then I grew up with the winning-est franchise in history. No team will ever duplicate 20 years + straight being in the playoffs and nearly 30 years with a winning record.
But I also remember vividly Danny White and the early 80's. 3 straight NFC Championship losses (I feel Phithy's pain...albeit with a little Shadenfreude).
What is Romo & Co.? I truly don't know. That terd they laid in Philthy was inexcusable. But I also see a case of bad luck that befell those late 60's, early 70's teams. Here's why this version will overcome:
- Been there, done that: They have experience. They know what it's like to underachieve. They're hungry. Those 80's teams were facing all time greats in the 9ers, Bears, Skins, Giants, and even the Rams (with Dickerson). No current team comes close.
- Defense: Yeah, I know some question the truism that "Defense Wins Championships". But no team has ever won without a very good one. We now have a good to great one.
- Variety: The best way to overcome obstacles is to be able to win in a number of ways. Quick strike, ball control, whatever. The best coaches can win with different styles. Wade has proven over 4 franchises that he can win in different ways. Combined with the overwhelming versatility of our Offense and you've got a team that can compete with anyone.
- Health: Above all else, this team needs health. We saw what happens when key injuries occur. Do you really think the Steelers are playing in the Super Bowl if Brady is healthy? We just really got killed at key positions. No team...NONE, can overcome so many losses.
3. Special Teams/Penalties/Discipline: I wanted to go with Defense, but it came up short in the mediot attention. Run Defense and Safety issues were a big cause of problems last year. But I think most agree that the problems have been addressed.
So that leaves the "intangibles". We know the Special Teams were a problem. Everyone agrees that penalties are killers. And to date, neither has shown signs of being solved. Some say it comes down to discipline, but BP and Wade have both taken special attention to each. Neither has been able to solve it, yet.
But there are signs that the problems are being solved:
- DeCamillis- I trust Coach Avezano on this one. He says he's great. Also, his history is impeccable. He'll get this resolved.
- Unit not set. The unit that will be on the field in Tampa has yet to play together. The teams have been mixed and matched to give everyone a chance. There's still time to shine.
- Best Specialist in the League. OK, we don't have a punt returner. But our KO, FG, and Punters are as good as it gets.
- Draft. This year, we really focused on players that are ST studs. With the extra attention, these guys should be a dramatic upgrade. Jury's still out, but I'm still very optimistic (surprise, huh?).
4. Lastly, Depth: Unfortunately, I've exceeded my time. But let me just say that Every team is in the same boat and at least we have viable answers to every weakness. Don't forget, we have coaches and a GM that are willing to do anything possible to fill the gaps. Whether everything can be fixed to everyone's satisfaction, is a whole 'nuther discussion.
The Beautiful? All I can say is that is the most amazing Stadium since the Real Colosseum as attested by Raf.
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I find it funny how
the Giants and Eagles fans have all but blown us off all off season, now they are starting to say "have you seen the Cowboys? They look dangerous. " Were as good as any but probably not that much better than most.
Loved the write up, good stuff!
This sums it up for me, Norm:
Were as good as any but probably not that much better than most.
That’s what makes the season so much fun for me. No one really knows what’s going to happen. We’ll all find out together.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Nice post, Fighter15.
I’m an optimist, too, with a realist streak, so even though I have nagging concerns about this team, they won’t prevent me from hoping for the best.
I do want to see the ST issues and penalties improve against the 49ers.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
yea I agree,
the penalties have been the norm for this group, Bills words " were to dumb to win" keep ringing in my ears.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
What's the solution?
As far as I can tell, the only way to reduce them in half is to replace Flo.
But that’s for next year.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I'll be honest
Flo was borderline holding some during the game, he should have been called for more. I don’t know what to do but replace stupid players with smarter ones.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 23, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that was BP's meaning.
Just ask Philthy how easy it is to replace a LT though. Did anyone see their games? Dude is worse than Pettiti.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Yea,
they were so excited about him and now they are terrified of him. Its just to funny!
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 23, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
In reference to Roy, you said: "Say what you want, but the stats are in his favor. "
You did mean odds, didn’t you and what odds are those exactly? That kind of seemed like a throwaway line in an otherwise great piece.
Also there may not be any dominant powerhouses on the NFC side of the bracket the way there was when White’s Cowboys came up short, but if the Cowboys do make it to the final Sunday……
Well, there’s the Patsies and Steelers for starters; bona fide powerhouses. There’s the Ravens who have been a consistently badass defense for longer than even those Bears were. Then there’s the Cowboys AFC doppleganger in terms of failing to live up to expectations, the Chargers. So if they do make it to Super Sunday, they’ll be facing a very formidable foe.
We should have beat the Stealers in Pittsburg,
If not for a couple bad plays. Dallas was better than Pittsburg last year.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 23, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly....
It just felt like even if Romo hadn’t sailed that ball and Witten hadn’t slipped, if the Steelers got the ball back they were going to score. Of course, kickers are like snakes so Reed very well could’ve missed the field goal then in OT, who knows? That game reminded me a whole lot of the 1993 season finale where the Cowboys were playing for basically everything and I believe they also bungled a ten-point lead. Of course the difference is that Cowboys team had the piss and vinegar necessary to win a slobberknocker.
To their credit, last year’s Cowboys won a similar type game against the ‘Skins but that was a middling ’Skins team in a slump. As far as possible key games like that this season, while I have a feeling the DeathStar opener will be a shootout but I think the rematch in December against the G-Men will be a dogfight. Same goes for the Fat Andy’s Philthy Flock.
You're right on the AFC, but let me explain Roy Williams
More of a tease than a throwaway, but I should have been more specific.
Roy Williams has, for the five years prior to joining us last year, GREAT statistics on a games played level. Most haters uses the total figures saying he’s only had one season over 1,000 yards. But they dismiss 3 seasons where he had over 800 yards in injury-shortened seasons.
Further, he got a lot of stats taken by the acquisition of maybe the best receiver of this new generation.
As for the AFC? I’ll take the chance in the Super Bowl and be tickled pink.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Aug 23, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Me too on the last part.
I get what you’re saying about Williams now. Good points. I do think it’s valid to point out that if Williams can’t stay healthy enough to put up 1,000 yards, you can’t necessarily mention him being that caliber. Personally, I trust that he’ll stay healthy this season. It seems as if he’s dedicated himself to having the best off-season regimen of his career even shedding a few pounds to be able to play at another gear.
I don’t know how much Calvin Johnson really contributed to Williams’ fall-off in ‘07. Johnson didn’t have that huge a rookie year. Furthermore, Shaun McDonald (who?) actually led the Lions in receptions and yards in ’07.
Personally, as I’ve said before, I’m not going to get too hung up on Roy reaching certain milestones to gauge his worth to the offense. As long as he moves the chains and grabs the jump balls at the right time to keep drives going or even better occasionally finish them, that’s effective enough for me.
I hope Roy Williams isn't the Elton Brand
of the NFL.
OK player with stats that are exaggerate he’s better than he really is.
A guy who gets his stats on a terrible team that no one takes seriously because they suck.
by Sharksbreath on Aug 27, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow I must really be tired.
What the hell did I just write.
I’ve been up all night.
by Sharksbreath on Aug 27, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Not a fighter today
I too am an optimist, but I also like a good fight. I personally would have like the good the bad and the ugly, some gloves would have come off. But true to your optimist self you went will all good.
This bone though still has some meat on it.
As you know I don’t like t.o., in fact I can stand the player. Your first point could not have been stated better. I totally agree we do not need him to be a dominating offense.
I truly do not understand why a portion of the post(er) on this site are obsessed with that large shinning object called a dominating receiver with top 5 stats. This constant reminder that t.o was so spectacular and that is what we need to be champions is somewhat of revisionist history. Did they all not notice how the biggest badest offense of all time was not able to close the deal two years ago? And that was with the best receiver of this generation.
Not having t.o. will be the reason we win, because it’s already been proven we can’t win (in the playoff) with him. Because in the end this team is all about winning that last game.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 23, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions
Amen
Because in the end this team is all about winning that last game.
TO played in all those losses last year as well… In fact, as the year progressed and he was pressed more regularly, he seemed to disappear for stretches.
We’ll be fine with Roy and Co.
Nice write-up Fighter.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
In all fairness, T.O. didn't whiff on Amani Toomer.
Or call a powderpuff defense that allowed Eli to drive the length of the field in 45 seconds.
You should change your name to Rose15
…since it is obvious that you see things through rose colored glasses and ignore the reality of what lies before the 2009 Cowboys. Let me say, however, that I do appreciate ‘your’ Richie Dalrymple view of the landscape.
I’m not sure you said much of anything (despite the length of the post). I’ll try and break down what meat was there;
1. You should have stopped while you were ahead here. There IS NO way to compensate for the loss of #81. Guys you average 13 TD’s and 1300 yards a season don’t grow on trees. Having said that, so what? So what if this offense has to win more games that looked like the Tampa game last year? I’m fine with it. But don’t tell me that we’re going to be as good on offense without a player of his caliber as we were with him.
2. The simple answer is “not so far”. To say this year is anything different is what all teams say before game 1.
3. Now you’re clutching at straws. The coach is the same coach. The penalties still look abundant. The special teams don’t look markedly improved and the draft? Oh jeez.
4. You said this team has depth in all areas of another post and I think you heard more than a few people mention things like OG, NT, CB, RT, etc. I don’t know that we have huge issues like some say, but I fear for us if Siavii has to play much.
But hey, the season hasn’t begun. Let the Rose colored glasses be our looking glass.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I am only going to comment on one point
because I am about to get off work and want to go sleep.
1. I beg to differ, I think that this offense, although completely different, can be just as good if not better than the version with TO. Think about it, if we have a more balanced attack we can keep the other teams guessing more than in previous years. Teams talked way too much about how predictable our offense had become, and that is a direct product of the TOcentric offense. Even if we don’t score as many points, but we have a greater advantage in time of possession I believe that means we have a better offense. If Romo throws less picks, I believe that means we have a better offense. If we still put up good points, 25 per game, and do all of these little things I will call it a success and claim that our offense was better without TO. There will be no individual making up for his production, but I think our offense can be more synergistic without him.
+100
All points I should have made on my post, but I to had to get to sleep.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 24, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not sure number 1 is true either
we will surely not be the same passing offense that relies on the big play. We’re much more likely to see the type of spread it around to our many weapons with a quick, accurate qb in Romo. Who says our offense will be significantly less productive? I’d be shocked if we don’t finish as a top 10 offense (barring Romo injury of course), and we could be great. I doubt we wll be 2007 statistcal great, as the oline was great (I doubt Flo has a year as good as that one) and our schedule was full of flat out bad teams. But you don’t need 25+ppg to win a championship
If T.O. was here for the Titans game
He would’ve blown up for not getting the ball enough. The offense ran very efficiently by spreading the ball around and running more. All the postgame interviews would’ve been asking “how did you feel about your involvement T.O.?” And all that does is just get us heading towards another 44-6. T.O. broke 1,000 yards by the skin of his teeth, and his 10 TDs were largely a product of having so many targets. Yes, he made a few spectacular plays last season. But let’s stop kidding ourselves. He’s just about done. Tony seems a lot more relaxed and efficient without 81 always on the edge of a meltdown. So far this preseason, Tony is 22/30 for 228 yards, 1 TD, and NO PICKS. Call me crazy if you want, but I loved watching our offense operate against Tennessee. It seemed just as good, if not better, than when T.O. was here. It’s not the same offense by any means; the big plays don’t happen as often, and they are also more a product of brilliantly schemed short/intermediate routes and yards after the catch than “go deep 81.” But you know what? I’ll take that. No need to have T.O. here. Camp went great and the headlines have been virtually non-existent. Much better than what we’ve had in years past.
On a final note, T.O. is just as much on the edge of a cliff as Flozell Adams is. I’m glad T.O. is gone and we have new guys to step up and replace him. I’ll also be glad when Flo is gone and we have a guy to step up and replace him. Thanks for the production guys, but there comes a point when it’s time.
by Key19 on Aug 23, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 ... to Key... to foyesboys... and to sduncan
Anyone that has followed TO would be absolutely blind not to realize how much of a cancer he can be in a locker room. BREAKING NEWS: he didn’t change his stripes when he got to Dallas.
Romo is the real leader of this offense, and he’ll finally get a chance to prove that now that the screaming 3-year-old in the corner is gone.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Amen
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I think the other excellent point
is that teams can find a way to stop or slow down one or two players come playoff time, but they will have a devil of a time stopping an offense that has five or six play-makers, all experienced in the system and used to getting the ball and making plays. Come December, it’s too late to try to get these guys “involved”. They have to build experience and learn each other the whole season long if they are going to play at a high level later in the season. This offense, assuming health, has a chance to make plays in enough ways that jamming and/or double-teaming RW or LW will only mean more and more effective touches for Felix, Martellus, MBIII, etc.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Man you hit the nail on the head
Having diversity is SOOOO much more important. There are realities that some teams are better at certain things than others.
The key is to be able to exploit whatever weakness the defense gives you.
The single biggest problem in the Seattle playoff game was not Romo’s bad hold. It was they fact that BP wanted a ball control offense, no matter that the Shehawks secondary was manned by a grocery clerk.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Leave it to Dunk...
… to consistently provide the MONEY COMMENT.
I couldn’t agree more.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
I just want to point out that his comment was a reply to ... well... me
so I should get all the credit
just so ya know
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Even without T.O., I don't think there will be any games they have to win like Tampa.
Wasn’t that a franchise record for fewest total yards gained in a win? ‘08 Brad Johnson could’ve had Larry Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, T.O. circa 2001 and Jerry Rice circa 1989 at his disposal and still would’ve displayed the passing acumen of Edward Scissorhands.
I think a better comparison would be the 2nd ’Skins and Giants games last year.
All of that said...
You are right that the special teams and penalties look just as bad as we remember. I’m not saying this team is perfect, because they are far from that. But to say it will be a lack of #81 that will be what lets us down is just foolish.
Easier to scheme against us without him than with him
but I am glad he’s gone too.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
really?
while in the ideal world, where we have a qb whose unaffected by the presence of TO, you’re right. But the bottom line is Romo relied so much on TO ad WItten that our offense WAS generally predictable last year. In the washington loss, he forced the ball to him in tight coverage time and time again and TO STILL complained about not getting the ball after the game.
We have a very accurate, quick release, very mobile qb. If he can now effectively utilize all our weapons without feeling pressure, we may very well be a more difficult offense to scheme against. We now also have felix jones healthy, and he could end up being the most dangerous player in this division. Also, I’d expect Garrett to mix it up much more this year.
Is that a T.O. issue or a QB issue?
Most of the great WR’s seem to be the divas in this league. I
I’m not saying I like it, but it just seems that way. Guys like Fitz and AJ are the exception while T.O., Moss, Ocho Loco, Steve Smith, etc. are the rule.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
And how many of these divas have the "Bling"?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Plaxico, Keyshawn, Irvin, Rice
They were all divas in their own way and that is what, 9 Blings right there?
I don’t think it’s defensible to say that only teams without a diva, firebrand or dominant locker room iffy personality win Super Bowls.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Just a sec...
Rice was not a diva.
The rest, sure. But only Irvin (who had a team, pre-salary cap) has won a championship. And even he readily admits that his hystrionics cost the team another ring or two.
You’ve got to do better.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Okay, Plax...
But the dude is in jail, and the D won the day.
But there’s no denying his impact…
You want him? He’s available in ’11.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Rice WAS a Diva
It came out even more so later in his career.
Either way, Plax and MeShawn qualify.
Bite the bullet on this one. Having the over-the-top WR doesn’t preclude you from winning it all.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Two of these things are not like the others.
Keyshawn being the biggest diva out of that quartet is probably the sole reason his reputation far exceeds his actual output of 1,000 yards in only four of eleven seasons. Even his one season that could be considered huge was flawed because even though he caught 106 passes in ‘01 he infamously only caught one TD. That and he averaged a paltry 11 YPC. And in Tampa’s Super Bowl run, Joe Jurevicius’s playoff production matched No. 19’s. I know the legend will always be that Tampa traded for two 1st Round picks so they could have a no. 1 receiver and that Keyshawn delivered on a Super Bowl. While that’s not the tallest tale, it’s not exactly right either.
I don’t think Gruden was worth two 1st’s either. He won with Dungy’s players and in a very fortuitous bounce just happened to get to face the Raiders in the Super Bowl, who were apparently too stupid to change any of the nuances Gruden knew all too well.
Man, I never realized how much the Bucs gave up to get their Super Bowl (4 no. 1’s for a coach and possession receiver) until just now.
Furthermore......
Keyshawn is a lot closer to being in the same tier of receiver as Roy Williams than he is all-time greats like Rice and Irvin. I don’t know how good Plaxico actually was because he was an underachieving miscreant.
Gruden is a Diva!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yeah, but a lot of head coaches are self-absorbed windbags or pompous fruitcakes.
Like Mike Martz for starters.
Actually, depending on how you define Diva, Big Blowhard Bill himself might be the all-time queen bee of diva head coaches. “Let’s negotiate for a front office job with a division rival we’re about to play in a pivotal late season game.” How’s that for “loves him some him?”
Plax wasn't a diva
yes he missed practice, but there very little history of him being a loudmouth or trouble maker. Theres a difference between being talented and stupid (Plax) and TO (talented and diva). Irvin was I think we all have to admit, and we probably won championships because he was such a fiery guy. Rice was to some extent i guess. But they were also on supremely talented teams that didn’t have to worry about the salary cap era – these guys didn’t have to deal with losing much, and thats when the bad side of these wrs comes out. When TO is scoring and his team is winning, his team can gain a sort of momentum thats completely unstoppable. When hes losing (and he never gets enough touches when hes losing in his mind), things implode. its happened everywhere. Its undeniable.
And keyshawns a joke. He wasn’t exactly a major contributor to their superbowl run.
No way boys
‘When he’s losing’
I take it you mean when the team is loosing not actually how ‘his losing’ getting touches, yards, touchdowns and admiration.
Just checking?!?! I tending to believe it was the ladder. Because when we lost and he had his numbers he would ask as if ’it’s all you all fault we lost, not mine, I did my job (or I got mine)’.
Did you ever pay attention to how he would storm of the field after WE (not he) just won a game, but he did not (win) get his touches, yards, touchdowns and admiration?
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 25, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I honestly never really saw that in him
IN games we won, he was happy even if we hardly saw the football. There were a couple games where he received very few touches and he was happy and talked about being a decoy or whatever. When we won, he was content.
When we didn’t win, he was petulant regardless.There were games like the washington game where he was seemingly thrown to every other play and he still whined afterwards.
thats not entirely truthful
Moss, Steve Smith are very different personalities. Moss is more laid back (not necessarily a good thing). Smith is a fighter but you don’t hear him comlain about carolina being a running offense like TO would. Chad Johnson, aside from last year, puts the attention on himself and generally doesn’t battle with his qb/wrs coach/O coordinator. I’m sorry, but NOBODY is like TO.
Look i don’t think hes the awful guy the media makes him out to be. He seems to be for the most part a very passionate guy that many of his teammates come to love, but the bottom line is TO is, has been and always will be the dominant personality on his team. And you don’t often win superbowls with guys like that, as Fighter states.
No!
Bennett and Witten being able to block and catch makes it crazy hard to defend us, TO would have helped that maybe but the truth is the ball wasn’t going to go to him just like it’s not going to go to Williams unless teams decide to let him run free. (Owens – the ball) = bad JuJu* 100.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 24, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
2 and 3 i agree with you
not sure what improvement we’ve shown in those areas. December is undecided. I see little evidence in this league that 1 playoff failure will predict future playoff failures, same with december. Its a year by year basis, determined by factors such as health and having something to play for. For example the Giants have 4 years of poor decembers, 3 years of early playoff exits and 1 superbowl.
But 4 I think fighter’s right. So many teams in this league lack depth. We have 1 very good wr, 1 guy whose proven he can handle a numbe 2 load, and 2 guys of who 1 of which will almost assuredly break through (Austin and Hurd). At TE, we may have the best receiving #2 option in the league. At rb….yea. At qb, kitna is better than your average backup.
I think we have a lot of depth in the secondary, at least guys who are backups have seen significant playing time (like Watkins and Ball). Newman so far is mostly healthy, and jenkins and scandrick give us more depth than anything we’ve had in a while.
Our weakness is 1. along the oline, but no team aside from phily replaces them well. Jacksonville lost 2 for the season in week 1 last year and just like that their year was over. The GIants lost one for 2 or 3 games and their offense completely crapped out.
2. at nose tackle, though im not sure how many teams have a reliable backup nose tackle. Still, its an obvious weakness considering ratliff is undersized.
3. at lb, and this is a HUGE problem. Maybe Carp will play well this year, maybe he won’t, who knows? same with Brooking. THough both have looked impressive so far. At olb, we’re obviously screwed if ware goes down, and an injury to spencer would really hurt us too.
You can bet Philly will blow a NFC Championship game
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think you will look at Philly this year and think that no one replaces them well, their back up linemen have been playing in preseason and looked awful. And they were claiming the best o-line in the league….ya right. Maybe they should hold off on that talk until they all are able to actually get on the field, they are going to have major cohesion issues I believe.
its preseason...
While we can’t say for sure their backups will be good this year, they’ve been good seemingly every year for a while now. Its like the pats when the plugged in players off teh street and continued to put up a superbowl caliber offense and defense.
And I’m lovin how their line is struggling. When ESPN started praising their line and even on here some posters were taking their crap, me and a few others were talking about how much Peters struggles in pass protection, and its showing early. I went to college in NY, saw more than my fair share of bills games (a rather boring team), and that guy is at BEST an average pass blocker, and a decent run blocker. I don’t think hes too much better than the aging Tra Thomas he replaced.
If only because of Andy Reid...
NEVER count out the Eagles.
Never.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
more concerned
with McNabb or Westbrook. I think losing either of them would cost them 3 games at least.
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really?
I agree hes a GOOD coach……but I’ve always thought his approach to the offense has held them back. Hes been playing with imo the best rb in the league for years now….and he continues to throw the ball with a mildly accurate qb.
really?
i dont think they should have ran more because mcnabb was midly accurate
i think they should have ran more because mcnabb didnt have anyone legit till last year
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alright that too
That being said, he has never been as accurate as Romo regardless of who hes thrown too. Regardless, Reid’s playcalling has always confused me.
The Beautiful: Our Luxury Discussion
The bulk of the concerns here over the last couple of days/weeks have not been about our first teams, both on offense and defense.
There are not many teams in the NFL right now that are having the kind of ‘Luxury discussion’ we are having. Questionable starters, injuries, suspensions, arrests, you name it, almost every team has some issues with their starting first teams. Our only real concern is with the depth at back-up, and this does not strike me as a particularly unique Cowboys discussion. Every franchise has issues at depth.
In fact, a lot of our discussions have been focused on the 5th WR spot (!!!), the 4th RB spot (!!!) and how many of our 12 rookies will make the final roster. There have been multiple comments about whether we could ‘hide’ some of our talent on the PS, and on and on.
Obviously, injuries will be are a concern for every team during the season, but there is little you can do about that.
Call me one.rosy.customer, but I agree 100% with RosyFighter15.
by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 24, 2009 2:58 AM CDT reply actions
Rosy
Heh heh. Do you knit too, Mr Grier?
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No, but I needlepoint
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TMI
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hey, my mom did it and so did Rosy Greer
Dude was one of the best DT’s ever. What was I supposed to say?
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Spencer, Igor, Flozell, Jenkins...
The play of these 4 may make or break this team.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Maybe
Spencer is a must at this point. But that’s not to say that Butler couldn’t become serviceable by mid-season. At worst, your friend Barbie is always an option and Octavian seem like a beast.
Igor has Hatcher and Bowens and even Dixon behind him. All are decent, if not better on pass rushing.
Flo…I’ve said it a million times. Bigg is the backup, long term, Free seems to have hit his stride for a game or two.
Jenkins has Scandrick. You’re fear maybe Ball, but I like the kid.
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Hatcher had a couple good plays in Tenn,
not game breakers of such but he’s been moving slow (the surgery lingers?), but he had a couple plays he shot off the line pretty good, looked better.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 24, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Spencer, Igor, Flozell, Jenkins...
Spencer is looking good, no worries here,
Igor is looking good no worries here, Brookings and Carpenter work well with him too.
Flozell will not be missed if he is replaced by Free, Just my opinion and not shared by all.
Jenkins I agree with except Scandrick could play 2nd corner if Jenkins could not.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 24, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I watched the GB game this past weekend...
Their front 3 looks like it can put pressure on without Kampman getting his.
Ours, not so much.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It was against the Bills, dude
Not exactly a stalwart offensive line there.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 24, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
in fact they may be one of the worst in the league
2 rookies and the guy next to Peters last year (Dockery I think…though he may be gone actually) was pathetic. TOs gonna need to get open awfully quickly to produce with that line.
They were impressive in game 1 as well
Before I got to see BJ Raji, who looks like the next great NT in the NFL.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2 words
Jay Ratliff.
Don’t tell us he doesn’t bring the pressure from the NT position. If Siavii proves me wrong and can actually spell Rat on the obvious run situations, he could be even badder than he was last year (and he was a baaaaaaaad man)
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by APerfectStar on Aug 26, 2009 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions
T.O. ShmeeO! Don't see the WR position as a big issue!
I mean what are people arguing about when it comes to WR? How can we replace T. O. production? Well, I think the 2 preseason games have answered that. 1) We Control the ball and use multiple recievers mixed with the run to burn clock and move down the field. This not only a) provides points, but, b) keeps the defense guessing as to were the ball is going on any give down and or drive, c) causes a team not to have to score as many points per game because the other team had less time to score points themselves, d) allows the defense more rest, making for a fresher, stronger defense going up aginst, e) an opposing offense that has been standing on the side line and is less apt to be in sync.
Then there is 2) Big play, Quick strike threat; T.O. had that ability, but it became harder as the season wore on because of the defenses scheming to stop him. Now the have to scheme aginst a scheme and not just a player, a much harder thing to accomplish; sure you can double up on a given player or two on any given play, but with all the players getting an even opportunity to make a play, without any pressure, whether real or perceived, to get the ball to any one in particular, leaves them just guessing.
Another area of discussion revolves around who will be the #2 WR and Roy Williams isn’t a #1 WR; to this I can only say: “only the season will tell” for what is a #1 receiver? Is it a guy who can blaze down the field for a long gain once or twice a game? Or, is it a player who gets open consistently and keeps the chains moving? Or, do people expect both these things from a player before he concidered a #1? I truly don’t know, and I would guess its the latter in most peoples eyes, I would have to admit, this would be the best option; But, I contend that we didn’t have that even when T.O was here; Sure he could at time get the long bomb, but how many times did we see him drop the first down catch? Most of us know that Witten has always been our #1 receiver. He does what needs to be done, and it starts with catching the ball.
Now, for the arguement of #2; Since we have established that J.W is accually the #1 receiver, then I guess we are only talking about the WR position as a secondary, so one has to say RW is our #1 WR and since he may or may not be our primary target or go to guy on any given down then it accually makes him the #2 or at best 1b receiver. In this capacity he far exceeds T. O. ( Iknow people are going to jump on that one) due to the fact that he is more apt to accually catch the ball on any given play. As for #3-6 or 7 does it matter? There are guys in there that have some speed and there are guys in there when mismatched will burn the D for a long 1 during the year.
I have rambled on for a little bit and never even mentioned Bennett who may end up being the #3 or 2b or what ever. Anyway, this is just the possibilities of the passing game that the defense has to contend with.
let me just say that I know that others have made these points before.....
in a much more elequent and discriptive fastion than I have.
You did just fine.
The t.o. debate is simply fodder for the mediots to hate on the ’Boys. While he was here, it was always “stats, yes, but he leads the league in drops”.
Did you ever hear of keeping stats for drops before t.o. arrived in Dallas?
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It just accured to me
Farve and TO are the same person!
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 25, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
AAAARRRGGGHHHHH ... T.O. PRODUCTION .... NOT AGAIN ... AAAARRRRGGGHHH
There, now I feel better. Primal Scream Therapy always works.
But seriously, why is the questions always
How can [the Cowboys] replace T. O. production?
Why doesn’t anybody ask the question “How can T.O. survive without Romo passing to him?”. Or let me ask it differently. Would T.O. have been as good as he was (in his first two seasons, and occasionally in the third) without Romo passing to him – and passing to him often?
Here are the real questions that should have us quivering in anticipation:
- “Just how much better will Romo be without T.O.?”
- “How much better will Roy Williams be with a Top (insert your number here) quarterback like Romo?”
- “How can opposing DCs gameplan against an offense with so many more threats than last season?”
No offense Bad Knees, I know I’ve taken your quote out of context. I fully agree with you post, but I just had to get this off my chest.
by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 25, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I got some Cool answers
1. Before last season I truly thought Romo was primed to make a MVP run, a healthy Kosier and Romo who knows. This year I think can be the year for just that run.
2. The one year he had a good QB we was a ProBowler, so if he is the player he thinks he is and Romo finds him early and often then there is no reason not he is not back in the Probowl.
3. They will still scheme, but its going to take a lot more hours of film than last year. But all good scheme looked good until you get exposed.
You should get stuff off your chest more often. Especially if you are going to make this much sense.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 25, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Last 2 years we had an O very capable at quick strikes
So much so, I believe we became impatient offensively and forced the ball deep, resulting in higher-risk plays. Now we seem to be a lot more patient, methodical. The only downside to this is it requires discipline – meaning limiting the penalties. The upside is, it gets the ball out of the QB’s hands quicker and limits exposure to exotic/aggressive pass rushes.
I don’t think anyone is under the impression a single player is going to make up for TO’s production, it will be by committee. So be it. We will need to stretch the field more, but please deliver me from those BP days of keeping games close(i.e., playing not to lose). We have much more talent on hand and need to exploit it.
The 7th Rule of "Fight Club": Fights will go on as long as they have to.
okay, I'll say it
Our offense will be better without T.O. and by better, I mean more efficient. Will we see less big plays? Maybe, maybe not, but I know one thing, Felix brings just as much big play capability to the offense that T.O. brought, and then some.
In Romo we Trust
You're not including Miles Austin in that commentary any more?
I feel the beer chilling now.
Should I just tell you where to send my winnings?
:-)
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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Make sure it's Fat Tire
But you’ll have to let the season play out before declaring victory.
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Duh...what else could it be?
I think Terry wanted some piss like Rolling Rock. Only happy to oblige. ;-)
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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Life's too short to drink bad beer.
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I like that Yuengling Lager, and I don't even like beer
Just thought you needed to know
Yuengling's the best cheap beer around
Fortunately, they have a brewrey here in Tampa. <$10 a case. Great brew.
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Legends Brown Ale, FTW!
Killian’s Red a close second.
JMHO.
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You must try Fat Tire!
Best beer ever made.
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-1
I have a fridge full of 5 kinds of German & Belgian beer that would knock your socks off.
If they would only market the good stuff to America, they would make tons more money. You have to be here to try it.
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-Winston Churchill
But they end up
getting pasteurized to increase shelf life for transport and movement across the US, which makes it terrible. The real stuff is awesome, though.
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Spent a year at Bitburg
It’s where I learned to drink REAL beer. I refuse to drink that swill they call lager here.
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spent a week in county, thats were I learned how to apple whiskey!
Wasn’t all bad Bubba gave me this lovely heart tattoo!
i'll drink to that!
da primo stuff, that is :~)
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by silverblue5 on Aug 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
gimme da address to your house
i’d like to “sample” some o dat brew :~ )
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by silverblue5 on Aug 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by silverblue5 on Aug 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, if you can't stretch the field...
and you said Romo would throw downfield (whatever that means)as much to Austin as he did T.O., Witten will get bracketed on EVERY play.
Teams will let RW, Crayfish and Telly try to beat them.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
they will stretch the field with both Felix and Austin
When the Cowboys go deep, they’ll target Austin, but Romo will take his shots down field.
If teams let RW, Crayton and Tellus try to beat them, our offense will be top 3 in the league, easily.
In Romo we Trust
Partly agree, but stretching the field is about more than just pure speed
In these stat-obsessed times, there is a strong popular myth that only a speed freak will be able to ‘stretch the field’. This might perhaps hold some truth for a go route, but a set-up play, fooling the DBs to defend a different route, simple, old-fashioned route running, and an O-line that gives the QB time for the deep pass are much more important.
Take Michael Irvin. Not the fastest man on the field in the NFL, yet able to go deep consistently.
Equally, Felix does not have the fastest 40 time, but what makes him unique is his lateral speed (for lack of a better description) and his ability to confuse defenders on the run.
Now, if we come up against some really dumb coaching, which buys into the mass media hyped concept that we only have posession-type receivers and plays its defense closer and closer to the line of scrimmage, watch as our guys smoke their DBs over the top!
Also, throwing deep passes requires longer pass protection. If youre line cannot give you that time, even the fastest receiver alive will not give you much of a deep threat.
by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 25, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
here's another thing fans are forgetting
I truly believe most teams will throw cover 2 defenses at us all season long and in a cover 2 the field is already stretched with the safeties playing deep to begin with.
Under that scenario, all Romo has to do is what he did against the Titans and that’s just hit short to intermediate routes all day long and we have the weapons to do that.
Once we get teams out of their cover 2, then Romo can start hitting Austin deep.
In Romo we Trust
Spandau Ballet reference??
Shoot, we’ve all seen Witten stretch the field.
Protection more than WR speed determines how much you can stretch the field. The fastest player in the NFL can’t cover a deep route during a three-step drop.
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So true
Witten had 7 receptions where the ball was thrown more than 20 yards, T.O. had 8.
Now, why do I find it hard to write the next line?
by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 25, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe we are both right.
To had 15 receptions for 20+ yards, Witten had 14. If you take out the yards after catch, and simply look at whether the ball was thrown for more than 20 yards, you end up with the 8 and 7 respectively.
by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 27, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
At this rate, austin may be stretching out on his couch more than the field
He’s shown very little in terms of improvement on his routes and consistency in catching the football.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Wow
Just wow. A smart fan such as yourself can surely see his improvement. Come on, show a little love for Austin.
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by APerfectStar on Aug 26, 2009 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions
they're not gonna struggle as much as you think
Though none of them are players of TO’s magnitude when it comes to beating teams deep, RW, Crayton and Austin have all done it….they aren’t incapable. When you add in the fact that defenses will ahve to worry about Felix, Barber at the line and Witten and Bennet in the intermediate area, they could see a lot of one on one coverage deep.
Incapable? Not at all.
I just don’t know if any of them is consistent enough to be a threat and force DB’s to give up a cushion.
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
dont need a cushion with romo
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All right, brain. You don't like me and I don't like you, but let's just do this and I can get back to killing you with beer.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
This offense won’t suffer without TO. When you lose a player like that, you restructure your offense to your strengths. The problem with TO is he’s so competitive and pretty egoistic that he creates drama when he doesn’t feel like he’s getting enough touches.
Now, if Jason Garrett is the offensive genius he was said to be, this offense is better. One, they spread the ball to different threats. Two, they run the ball more. Three, Romo is comfortable. Four, now we’ll play 2-te sets, with 2 pass-catching TE’s creating match-up problems. Five, Jason Witten gets the ball more without TO whining for looks.
You can’t replace what TO did, you simply move on and make your offense a threat another way without a receiver like him, and with the players the cowboys have, they can easily do that. If Austin or Hurd shows consistency, this offense will be a monster.
It can be better, with worse statistics
What would you rather have, the Triplet-led 90’s version or the t.o. show of ’07?
Fantasy football-wise, Romo and t.o. far outproduced Aikman and Irvin…in everything but Lombardi’s.
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