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TWO THINGS THAT SHOULD CONCERN EVERY COWBOYS FAN

 

I’m pretty clear in my own mind about what I want from my team. I’m not the fan who just wants a playoff win under their belt to break the string of failures. No. I want Dallas to win the Super Bowl. This year and every year. Nothing less than that will satisfy me. So, I was thinking about what could get in the way of a Super Bowl run for our beloved Cowboys this year. As with any fanpost (note: this is the disclaimer), some of this may be emanating from my own personal bias that comes from so many years without a new Bling to rub the Bleeding Green Nation’s noses in, but I think THESE two things should concern every Cowboys fan as we look toward the upcoming campaign…

 

 

Coaching

 

 

Okay, let’s be honest. This is another one of Jerry’s ill-conceived coaching staffs where the bass-ackward process of hiring assistants took place before hiring the head coach. In Jerry’s tenure as GM of the Cowboys, the track record for the staffs he created by making the HC work with Jones’ group of handpicked assistants/coordinators has been pretty abysmal. Thus far, this one hasn’t fared much better.

 

On the offensive side of the ball, Jason Garrett was widely criticized by some for not taking full advantage of the weapons available to him last year and for not being more imaginative (was Romo pointing his finger at Garrett in his final news conference of ‘08?) in his play calling. Others continue to hail him as a budding genius in the offensive coaching ranks and cite the production of the team in 2007 along with big numbers from Tony Romo. At one time, he was viewed as Dallas’ next great Head Coach. Is that still true? Regardless, he was hired by the GM and not the Head Coach and that has always had the potential to create a (perceived or real) division. At the very least, it is atypical of the way most staffs are built and invites tension when things don’t go as planned. As if that wasn’t enough, pursuant to one of my previous rants, is there an assistant coach whose unit has more heat on them than Hudson Houck? His coaching performance alone could determine if the Cowboys sink or swim in 2009. Can Hud be the hero we want him to be?

 

On Special Teams, I can’t find a Bruce Read apologist anywhere on SB Nation. The hiring of Joe DeCamilis was lauded by everyone (including fans who didn’t have a clue about who his resume). In truth, Dallas could have hired Bar Refaeli (you're welcome) to coach the Specials and it would have been lauded as a watershed move by Jerry and the Cowboys front office. That is how bad we wanted a change here. So, we have one. But thus far, through Camp and two meaningless pre-season games (it is early, so I suggest we cut him some slack), Special Teams still look like anything but. At some point, if things don't improve dramatically, people will start asking, is Joe D the turnaround specialist that everyone was hoping he would be?  

 

On the defensive side of the ball, Wade is working without a Defensive Coordinator (unless you count him as the DC), which is another questionable decision by the GM. Time will tell if Wade, running HIS 3-4 with HIS calls, elevates this unit to elite status or if it makes it more difficult to wear both the DC and HC hats. To be fair, Mike Martz was the HC and was the OC, if not in name. Andy Reid has done it too. The question is, can this team win a Super Bowl with that model?

 

Speaking of the HC, is anyone in the NFL on a hotter seat than Wade Phillips? He’s been criticized for not being enough of an authoritarian to get the players to perform at consistently high levels (i.e. the Coach Cupcake references). He’s been poked at for his “country bumpkin” approach with the media. As if that was not enough, his boss has personal relationships with 2 of the 3 hottest candidates presumed available for a head coaching job (Shanahan and Holmgren) in 2010 and Wade was not given a new contract extension. This isn’t a secret and the media (not just ESPN) has reported on this ad nauseum. If the team starts to struggle, might we see a repeat of what happened in Seattle with Holmgren being a lame duck last year? Or, is the tough camp coupled with a new version of Wade, focused on accountability, enough to overcome recent failures?

 

The real question is this; do the dynamics of this coaching staff’s mixture, structure and tenuous contract situation create urgency on the part of the entire staff in a way that forces them to work together and elevate the team’s performance? Or does it create a ‘CYA’ environment where everyone is jockeying for position for 2010 and just tries to make sure they are not in the crosshairs if (or when) the team faces adversity?

 

 

Leadership

 

 

We’ve all heard that this version of the Dallas Cowboys was built to be more “Romo-friendly”, but does that translate into him becoming the team’s true leader? Isn’t it safe to assume that if Romo DOES NOT step up and into the role of leader (at least for his offensive unit) that there really is no one else that can? As I pointed out in an earlier fanpost, this is a golden opportunity for Romo in that he may not have a locker room that is tailor-made for him like this if a Holmgren or Shanahan comes to Dallas. The initial reports are good out of Valley Ranch, but some people think this could be marketing spin from the king of spin himself, Jerry Jones.

 

What about the defense? Is Bradie James the leader of that group? And if he is, does he give this defense enough of an identity that would allow it to improve dramatically in the areas that so many BTB’ers have done an excellent job of pointing out (turnovers generated, points allowed, 3rd down performance, penalties, etc.)?

 

Also, is there a cast of characters that we’re not talking about yet that are really the unsung heroes of their respective units and assume accountability for performance beyond just their individual contribution? As an example, I am extremely excited about what Keith Brooking brings to the table for this defense in that he handles his work between games like a true professional, and then goes out and plays on the field with the type of aggression and physicality that has been missing for some time in Dallas. Are there others that you think that can, should or will step up?

 

 

My Take

 

 

When it comes to coaching, I think about all of the HOF coaches and what made them great. Men like Halas, Brown and Lombardi who were lightning rods, incredibly dynamic and passionate individuals. They personified the values of the teams they built. Madden, Landry, Noll, Gibbs and Walsh who all won Super Bowls through discipline, but also were innovators in their own right. Great teams, teams that make you say “Oh yeah, they were dominant, one of the best for a long time” generally have great leaders. Can Wade (or maybe for that matter, Jason) be that kind of leader?

 

Leadership is a tricky thing. Is it earned or bestowed? Is it something you are born with a genetic predisposition for, or can anyone do it if thrust into a situation that requires it of them? Maybe you’re the leader just by virtue of having the position that ‘normally’ is associated with being the leader? Head to your local book store and just look at how many books have been written about leadership. Can anyone be a Patton or a Schwarzkopf?

 

Either way, this team has (at least these) two big, non-roster question marks heading into the 2009 season. We’ll get to see the answers play out over the next several months and this is just one more reason to be excited about what is to come.  

 

 

GO COWBOYS!



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If the players execute

then the coaching and leadership will look great, if they don’t, the coaching and leadership will look bad, it’s that simple.

While good coaches put their players in the best possible situation to succeed by scheme and preparation, the players ultimately play the game and determine any success they achieve.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not as simple as that

Sorry, I refuse to believe good coaching and leaderships don’t make a difference. The other side of your coin could be argued; if the coaching and leadership are good the players will execute better. Other than the SB flukes, I think it takes all of the above.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 27, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not true

Coaching and leadership will not make players execute better. Once the game starts, it’s what the players do between the white lines that matter.

Funny how Belichick became a great coach once he had good players to work with at NE. He was the same coach at Cleveland, but obviously didn’t have the players to execute.

It’s all about the players dude, always has, always will be.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny all the money being wasted on coaches salary

That is one of your more ridiculous comments in quite a while…………..dude

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 27, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You both have made really good points.

Its a chicken or the egg thing. Coaches count but so the players.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

That’s why I said it takes “all of the above”

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 27, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

There is a synergy of all of these things coming together. I like the fact JJ didnt make move on coaches but rather older players. With the exception of Flo this team really seems to be mostly made up of guys who kind of grew up together. Having the high of a 13-3 followed by the low of a 1st round playoff loss. Then struggling with key injuries for all of last season. Media circus and TO. Throw in some tradgey(collasping bubble) and these guys have gone through alot together. These are the things that can bring teams together in a unique way.
Judging by what I have seen on the field and heard about going on in the offseason and locker room we could have the makings of a great season. All we need is a heavy dose of Lady Luck.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually like your use of "synergy,"

both good coaches and good players are required. Of course execution is the responsibility of the players, but developing those players and putting them in schemes that highlight their strengths is also a must.

Good players can play well for a bad coach, and a good coach can have bad players. Good coaches can coach badly, we all have off days at work. A bad player might have a good game. But a combination of good players and good coaching creates the “synergy” that is needed to win a Super Bowl.

I think the synergy comes and goes game to game. When we talk about momentum etc. that’s a reference to the results of maintaining the synergy over a longer time. How do you achieve synergy? Maybe that’s what we mean when we refer to team “chemistry.”

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 27, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Synergy" Lord I hate that word!

Basically means in a perfect would 10,000 thousand people and/or thing work perfectly coming together to give you a successful product. In who’s world? The techno world with it"s computers, cell phones, iPods, spread sheets, and bar codes and the paperless systems, which by the way produce more wasted paper than the previous system which accually had a use for the paper.

Sorry Squidlo, not in any way arguing against the merits of you post, in fact I agree.

I just can’t stand that frigging Corporate Word……Corporate America take your fancy words, your bonuses for shorting the customer out of a quality product and your bail out bucks and shove them up your Corporate…………..Bottom dollar!.

Thank you I feel much better.

by bad knees on Aug 27, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you could get that off your chest, bad knees!

 I dislike the word, too, that’s why I wrote: I “actually like” your use of $#%!&. But the word does reflect an observable phenomenon.

I’m a musician, and I have no interest in the Corporate world at all. But I do know that on any given night—same players, same charts—some nights you’re “on” and some nights you’re not.

The word, $#%!&, represents that. I think the reason you and I don’t like the word is because no one knows exactly how to get $#%!&. If they did, eveyone would buy a bottle.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 27, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

funky formatting, sorry.

I was trying to use a cartoon curse word in place of. . . well, you know.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 27, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think "synergy" is getting a bum rap

Being employed in the medical field, I associate synergy with it’s clinical definition:
 The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.

Something valuable in pharmaceuticals and therapy.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 27, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a medical professional also, that the root of my dislike of the word.

I understand all it’s meanings- but especially in the medical field were thing need to be individualized and personalized to get that Synergistic effect. The fundamental elemental of thought process is missing. Unless, Old school personnel like myself and other force them upon the the people who make the future decisions,and policies; but rarely does it bring about a long lasting and positive change for the product, ie.. the patient. Also, this kind of common sense, constructive input is over time viewed as counter productive and resistive, thus putting one in the the line of site, were the proactive nurse actually should be; but in today’s world it is wiser to just view my chosen field as a job, which it isn’t, it’s who I am. When dealing with peoples lives, their family, and all that comes with it one has to be Synergistic to the very extreme of it’s meaning.

I still despise the word!

by bad knees on Aug 27, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

or luck?

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 27, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that word it's fun! Makes you just want to say it over and over!

Wait! I take that back, after repeating it it sounds kind of,……….gay. Maybe I’ll just like it, but not say it; Kind of closet seredipitor, or a seredipophbic.

by bad knees on Aug 27, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What city do you work in.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

"old's cool"

by CounterEMF on Aug 27, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm ever a patient

I’d surely want health care providers who feel like you do to be in charge of my care.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 27, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate the word as well with its corporate feel

but it just felt like the right word for this post.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said coaches aren't important

but I never once saw a coach throw a pass, or a block, make a tackle or score a TD and last time I checked, those are the things that win games every Sunday.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He never said players werent important.

Lets move on.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who would you rather have

a HOF coach or a few HOF players? I think the answer is obvious.

I also think it’s rather ironic that all HOF coaches had teams loaded with HOF players.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you could win with both.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats because most HOFers come from winning teams.

Millions of tremedous athletes go though the NFL without so much as making the team. Somebody is coaching them up.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a very poorly formulated question

How about this instead?

Would you rather have a group of highly-talented, disorganized players or a group os lesser- talented but well-coached team members?

I’ll take the latter every time!

In fact, you are making the same idiotic argument that Jerry made to Jimmy when they won their second Bling together. Anyone can coach the team, huh?

Sure they can.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe that won the arguement.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then my work here is done

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Likewise...

I never saw a player invent the west coast offense or 46 defense; or decide to run the wild cat etc…

The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.

by gee-roj on Aug 27, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, now we are back to the chicken and egg thing.

You think maybe we should go another 20 posts and end up right back here or just move on.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's like with your kids

sometimes they do things so irrational you blow right through anger and just can’t help laughing at them. this is one of those times i think.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 27, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious

Have you ever been in a position where you had to lead a large group?

Been in a situation where you had to set the tone for an organization or team?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been a coach and manager on many levels

and that’s why I can say for sure, it’s the players that win and lose games.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then you aren't very good at it and I hope you always had lots of talent on your rosters

because my teams have made a habit of beating more talented ones through discipline and rigor.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was Tom Laundry who told Bill Parcells

to never let someone else determine your own fate.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 27, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

neither is true

players win and lose games, bottom line

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they taught the million-dollar babies HOW TO DO IT RIGHT

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches can't get better with time?

Aren’t we betting the farm that Wade can?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Garrett too. He has done some good and bad.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Absolutely.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Belichick didn't get better

his players did.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NE fans would disagree

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no doubt coaches learn

Jimmy Johnson said he learned the most in his first year. He said he learned from his mistakes!

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 27, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didnt see this before I replied. +1

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bulls--t. You learn from ass whippings more than your victories.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

That’s a life lesson, not just an NFL one.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

Maybe we LEARNED that we’re not as well coached as they are (were).

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We beat them earlier the year, were we better coached then.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I forgot to do this early on, but it is a very valid point. Maybe THE most valid point of the thread.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit

I was one of the ones that was calling for Wade’s head at the end of last season. In retrospect, (or in as much retrospect as you can have at this point) I’m glad Jerry hung on to him for at least one more year. I just have a feeling about this team and the way things are clicking for us right now. I’m feeling a division championship well within reach.

Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake. - Napoleon

by MadDawg03 on Aug 27, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I don’t think i get that feeling from Wade per se, but the players all say they back him and the players are the ones that give me that feeling, there is something different about this team, something they didn’t have last year

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 27, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How quickly we forget the 44-6 pain

It really is the beauty of the new season personified.

Was a Jimmy Johnson team ever beaten that badly?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll answer your question with another question

How many titles did Jimmy win after he left Dallas?

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 27, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bingo

Jimmy had great players with the Boys

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wade had (and still has) great players

including a record # of Pro Bowlers, regardless of what you think of the Pro bowl, and that has amounted to what, exactly?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong

Wade hasn’t had great players, he has really good players, big difference.

If the Cowboys had great players, they would have a SB title under their belts already.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't think Ware is great?

How about Ratliff? Witten? Your boy Antonio?

Can you elaborate here?

Maybe this is a question of what each of us considers a great (versus good)( player and I want to be sure I understand your point before I reply.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't argue against Terry's platitudes.

It won’t go anywhere. Trust me. Remember “QB’s don’t win Super Bowls; only teams do?” Well, only great players win Super Bowls.

by MadMick on Aug 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which, it would seem, are made up of poor coaches and non-talented players

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROTFL!!

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no I don't

They definitely have the potential to be great, but so far they’re only really good players.

Greatness is reserved for the HOF and they’re not quite there just yet.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you asked another question

but you didn’t answer mine.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sneaky like that

Honestly I think the idiotic fallout from Jerry and Jimmy’s spat cost Dallas a great chance to string 4 titles together in a row. A feat that will probably never be accomplished in the salary cap era.

But the past is the past, and I’m more interested with the way this team has changed for the better since that 44-6 embarrassment.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which we won't be able to properly gauge

until the season is well underway.

Would you agree?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

It’s all speculation right now, but speculation based on solid moves beats wishful thinking. I can’t see much to complain about personally. The current lack of depth at NT and the CB depth beyond Scandrick maybe.

I just watched TB play MIA, and it’s got me in a really good mood.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because both looked inept?

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was ugly

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they really did both look awful...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

of a Jimmy Johnson team was beaten that badly

Obviously you never watched much of the ’89 season.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were shut out 3 times that year

The worst one being the Saints game (27-0) and I watched that game.

Do you think that was worse than the beating we took last December?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was the coach

…but that wasn’t his team.

It was year 1 for him as HC taking over a 3-13 team from Landry.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesn't matter, he still was the HC

according to you there should have been better coaching and leadership, right?

Isn’t that the basis of your argument?

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say there was...

I think the ’89 team played with much more intensity and discipline than the Landry-coached ’88 team.

Despite the poor job Jerry did handling the Landry exit, it was clear he had stuck around too long.

He could not have done what Jimmy did.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Do you know how many head coaches have won Blings with two different teams?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without cheating

I’m going with zero. Although Shula came close.

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by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

given that answer, don’t you kind of think that your question above about Jimmy was a rhetorical one that failed to make a point?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As rhetorical as the one you posed

Asking if one of Jimmy’s teams ever lost a game 44-6.

The great Tom Landry lost two blowouts in the same season, one to the Bears (44-0), I think, then another to Cincinnati later on. Does that mean he didn’t have leadership oozing from his pores? No way.

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by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Jimmy's Cowboys did lose a playoff game to the Lions; 38-6.

That has to be some kind of legendary doo doo brown stain of shame. They got shredded by Erik Kramer (for a modern comparison; worse than getting shredded by Jon Kitna) and Beuerlein, whose magic touch had apparently ran out, never really got going. I guess that team just wasn’t ready or a year away or whatever. Also the following season in a Week 4 Monday Nighter they got smashed up pretty bad by the Eagles, 34-7.

by MadMick on Aug 28, 2009 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We were'nt completely rebuilt the playoff loss to Detroit and their offense matchup perfectly

against us. We lacked a FS and and 2 CBs.
The loss to eagles was 34-10 I believe and that game was closer than the score indicated. that was the game we found out we could play against anybody and that was the game that turned us into SB champs.

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by squidlo97 on Aug 28, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mine wasn't asked to make the same point

I thought that was the idea of multiple threads within the same post, but maybe I am mistaken.

Anyway, for clarity’s sake, I was trying to point out that under Jimmy’s tenure, he never had a talented group of individuals like the one Wade has and underperformed as badly as the 44-6 game (although some will point to the Lions playoff game, which is a poor example because it was a young team rising up the charts playing on the road against a favored opponent).

Hopefully, that clears that up.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your question was kind of rhetorical and not even worth asking then.

Everybody already knew what went down during the back-to-back title run and of course they never lost a game that badly in a spot that big as last year’s “win and you’re in” scenario. For that team, it would’ve been the equivalent of going up to Giants stadium and laying an egg in ’93 when the division title was on the line.

Now the only similar situation where the stakes were that high I can think of where the Cowboys could’ve rolled over and got the tar kicked out of ‘em after facing adversity in a game is actually Switzer’s Cowboys who went down 21-0 to the 9ers. So would it be fair to say that group of players had a little extra fire in their belly independent of who the coach was?

by MadMick on Aug 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I think you misunderstood

It wasn’t about the stakes at all.

I didn’t REALLY consider the 1989 Cowboys a JJ team, since he inherited a roster bereft of talent. Lombardi would have been 1-15 with that team.

I wanted to know if a JJ team that had a reasonable chance to win a game against an opponent ever just crapped their pants the way Wade’s Cowboys did last year?

Sorry I was unclear. That is on me.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah.

I would argue that Lions team was very beatable. They stunk forever before that one-year magic act and have been pretty terrible ever since. Plus the Cowboys had played the ‘Skins pretty tight in both games during the regular season so if they had made it to the NFC Title game, they would’ve had to like their chances. At any rate, the Lions game meets my standards of reasonable. Of course, short of making the change back to Aikman which you just don’t do when Beuerlein had lead the team to kind of winning streak; there’s not much Jimmy could’ve have done differently.

As I recall in that aforementioned 34-10(?) drubbing at the hands of the Eagles, Aikman was battered and they had a ton of turnovers.

by MadMick on Aug 28, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said though.....

Switzer had to be one of the worst game-planning and least inspiring head coaches ever. The ‘94 Cowboys definitely didn’t storm back in that year’s NFC Title game because they had any particular affinity for that assclown. So a lot of it is on the players.

by MadMick on Aug 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they had a solid group of coordinators and position coaches still

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I know Butch Davis was still the DC.

But how many buffoons were there on that staff like John Blake? I’ll stick by what my real point was; that group of players would’ve came roaring back in that game no matter who the damn fool was standing on the sidelines.

by MadMick on Aug 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But do you think they would have fallen behind like that with Jimmy at the helm?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Booyah!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way....

What is your opinion of Bill Walsh? Because in the ’85 and ’86 playoffs, the 9ers got eliminated by the Giants 17-3 and 49-3. So, yes, it happens; even to all-time great Hall Of Fame coaches.

Also, I’m not particularly defending Wade because he’s never inspired much confidence in me; or Garrett for that matter. But great teams led by great coaches do get shellacked from time to time.

by MadMick on Aug 28, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Montana get his head bashed in by Wilbur Marshall in one of those games?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leonard Marshall bent back his arm...

….As he was sacking him in the 4th quarter of the 1991 NFC Title game which sidelined him for two seasons. He may have been knocked out of the 49-3 trouncing as well (or taken out for his own safety) but not before throwing a pick that LT ran back to the house. That game got ugly in a hurry and only got uglier.

by MadMick on Aug 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aside from that little goober Kevin Williams fumbling a kick-off return...

…..It was Aikman and Irvin who had early uncharacteristic turnovers. And regardless of who the coach was, stuff like that occasionally happens even to great players. But to Sean’s point, if the game was played at Texas Stadium or more to the point if the ’94 9ers had lost the regular season game to a Jimmy-led Cowboys the 9ers might not have half as much swagger.

by MadMick on Aug 28, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just thought of another one.

Although nobody thinks George Seifert and his prissy glasses are in Bill Walsh’s league, the ’94 9ers got rammed in the doodyhole 40-8 by the Eagles in an early season game. That game is famous of course for Young absolutely going off on Seifert on the sidelines for pulling him midway through the game after it was painfully obvious the game was a lost cause and Young was only going to sustain further damage by remaining in the game.

So if your point really was that great teams don’t lay flat-out eggs unless they’re coached by total nincompoops, that’s simply not true.

by MadMick on Aug 29, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right

but could we say it happens less to teams who are on nearly level ground as far as talent if they’re led by a great coach?

I don’t know if it does or not. Just asking…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, it's tougher to imagine the Chin or Jeff Fisher....

…Allowing a team to lay that kind of egg given the stakes. I’ll concede that much.

Also, in the context that the final game was just the cherry on top of a sh*tstorm that had spiraled out of control beginning in Pittsburgh, it’s fair to say Wade never really got things fully turned back in the right direction. The Giants game isn’t the best example because they were plummeting worse than the Cowboys by that point.

by MadMick on Aug 29, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, 5Blings

Your post talks about leadership.
You put forth a question “Would a 44-6 ass whuppin occur to a Jimmy Johnson team?”
You are implying that because Wade’s team was blown out, that he isn’t a leader like JJ was.

 I correctly pointed out that getting blown out in one game does not accurately show whether a coach is a leader or not by using Tom Landry team as an example.

Hopefully this clears up your confusion.

Good day to you sir. I said GOOD DAY!!!

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read it again...

I was replying to MadDawg’s post about calling for Wade’s head after last season.

Hence the

How quickly we forget the 44-6 pain
It really is the beauty of the new season personified.

Was a Jimmy Johnson team ever beaten that badly?

So, what you said about my implications would have been true if what you interpreted prior to that point was correct.

A simple misunderstanding is all.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, you're saying

Bringing up the Jimmy Johnson question was in no way a dig at Wade’s ability as a leader/head coach by using the game’s outcome.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all truth...

I didn’t know the answer.

In fact, while I knew about the Lions game (broke a TV on that one), I had no recollection about he Eagles game until it was mentioned.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well damn

Now you tell me.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries

Printed text on a blog is an imperfect medium. There’s no way to detect intonation and such.

So, no GOOD DAY?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well now I guess it's more

Have a good day, dude.

You can only pull the “Good day to you sir, I said GOOD DAY!”, line when you’re feigning indignation. Otherwise it’s just not funny.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got it.

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by squidlo97 on Aug 28, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No head coach has won super bowls with 2 different teams

BUT at least 5 have led 2 different teams to the Super Bowl.

Don Shula, Colts (68) & Miami (71-73, 82,84)
Dick Vermeil, Eagles (80) & Rams (99)
Bill Parcells, Giants (86, 90) & Patriots (96)
Dan Reeves, Broncos (86,87,89) & Falcons (98)
Mike Holmgren, Packers (96,97) & Seahawks(05) & Dallas next year?

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 28, 2009 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love how we can always count on you to bring the data, OCC.

Without data, you’re just another guy with an opinion.

Thanks man.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was that a shot at me?

Take it back.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Problemo

Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap, courtesy of your stat department at BTB.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 28, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

several points i disagree with

Hudson is highly regarded around the league, not an issue.

It is crystal clear Wade is in charge. Even the players are acknowledging that point. just listen to them they are saying it over and over and over again.

Special teams across the league are looking awful, I don’t think thats a coincidence.

Hot seat or not for Wade? Of course all coaches are on the hot seat? the real question is are you happy with what the coach has done with this team? I scream at the top of my lungs YEEESSSSSS!!!! Wade has to get props, this team is focused, tough, and good. What else could you ask for except disciplined and that is yet to be seen.

Leadership is not an issue anymore, the players are all holding each other accountable, the preseason meeting with players and the veterans calling out the rookies after week one preseason are good signs.

Those were last years issues not this years!

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 27, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I won't argue that Hudson Houck is not highly regarded around the league,

I think he is, too, and with reason. But I’ve always wondered: wasn’t Houck fired by Parcells when he came to Dallas, and also when Parcells went to Miami? I’ve always wondered about the story behind that.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Aug 27, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Houck did well in San Diego

It might be interesting to see how his line calls and schemes differ from Sparano’s or Pat Flaherty’s.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said Norm

I completely agree with your points.

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by APerfectStar on Aug 27, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Norm. I agree with all of your points and would like to add that it is important to remember that the special teams right now are still being shuffled to see who fits where. When this team starts to make cuts, some bad ST players will be weeded out and the best set up units will be formed. It isn’t something that I will be very worried about until after I watch week one.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 27, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Norm, Norm, Norm...

Crystal clear? Please explain. Garrett has complete control of the offense and the game planning. Jerry hires (oh, and just in case you don’t watch the evil MSM, fires) the staff. Jerry call for a gag order on Wade.

Tell me again what control Wade the HC has?

Your comment about Wade being on the same seat as other coaches is nonsensical. Do you really think Tomlin and Bellicheat are in the same tenuous positions as Winnie? Really…read what you wrote again. I’ll give you a mulligan.

Leadership is not an issue anymore

Wow, what a difference a couple of reports and 2 games that don’t count must mean to you. Don’t you even want to wait and see what happens when they start using real bullets to make that call? Are you so impressionable that you could be swayed by a couple of quotes out of VR? Or is it really that you never really held Wade to a higher standard and are mired in the same mediocrity this team has been in for over a decade?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every player you hear says

Wade is this or Wade says that, noone is saying garrett is doing this or that, and for the record I read Garrett was having to get ALL the practice schedule run through Wade. There was even a presser where Wade said he let Garrett do some things and not do others. Just listen and you will hear it.To me there is no question who is in charge, and it seems the players agree. The Owner is another story as in every team the buck stops with the owner, Even Fisher got overrode and the owner picked Vince Young in the post draft and hes not on a hot seat.

Leadership, I have said leadership can’t really be measured until something bad happens, well 46-6 was bad and the team has had leaders rise to the top and malcontents sink to the bottom. The leadership I have seen has not only impressed me after such a loss but encouraged me to believe this team has changed and better, to say nothing has happened is wrong, everything has already happened and the leadership has grown under our noses. Could you have envisioned a better result this off season after losing to Philly last year? There is more structure and leadership than I’ve seen in a while.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 27, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

There are hands-on owners and hands-off owners.

In that same vein, there are hands-on GM’s and hands-off GM’s

Jerry would never be accused of being a hands-off Owner or GM.

I won’t go into what I envisioned for this post-season, but I will (again) say that I am pleased with the jettisoning of T.O., Pacrat and Tank(ed) Johnson. If you’re asking if I believe that Wade has suddenly become the second coming of Lombardi or Halas because of some Rich Dalrymple spins? Not so much. In fact, as I have said, Wade has to win the division and at least get to the NFC title game to keep his job.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You make me laugh. Any good report coming from the players themselves (and written by writers who haven’t always been so forgiving to the Cowboys) is Richie Dalrymple-spin, but any bad report from the tabloids can’t be dismissed (your argument in past threads) because it might be the truth. Maybe try to work out the kinks on that argument.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 27, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*in

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 27, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all, my friend

I give equal weight to both.

The problem is, I give more weight to what is empirical. As such, we don’t have much to go on in the way of the VR reporting. For instance, you won’t know for sure whether Wade’s influence has increased in the way Norm has depicted until the team faces adversity, right?

So, I must reject your challenge out of hand. Nice try, though.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But see that’s the problem….

 Not all reports are created equally. In the same way I believe more heavily in a New York Times article than a National Enquirer article, I believe more heavily in the reports coming out of camp than I do the tabloid reports regarding Romo. You simply can’t equalize them because the standard of proof is completely different. This isn’t to say that the DMN isn’t guilty of spinning things, but I think I can trust them to quote players correctly. That is why I believe more heavily in [what I consider] empirical evidence coming out of the players mouths than some tabloid rag’s reports.

The one point I do agree with is that we won’t know until the season starts. These reports could prove to be meaningless, but in the present tense I would much rather hear what I am hearing out of player’s mouths rather than focusing on and hearing about drama (like last camp). Maybe its the optimist in me speaking, but I think all signs out of camp at the very least should be encouraging.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Enquirer is doing Camp reports????

Which media outlets are you discounting (referent to your comment about tabloids)?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am alluding to your criticism of Romo for his off the field decisions (which I believe if I interpret your points correctly, make up a large reason you don’t believe in his leadership/desire) with regards to him being in tabloids.

Simply put, I would say that I put more stock in players being quoted as saying Romo is being more of a leader than a National Enquirer report saying that he is at clubs (which you use to make the inference that Romo is not being a good leader – assuming I understand your position).

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I can help you out here!

See, I live in Southern California and I have seen (that’s not DMN or anyone else talking here) Tony at a club with his entourage and tons of bottle service. There’s no need for fact checking there.

On the other hand, I think you once again misinterpreted my aking the question on a previous post as synonymous with an opinion. If you can see your way clear to break that fallacious mental connection, I think you’ll be okay.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always considered myself worthy of more consideration

I truly appreciate your affirmation.

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you live in southern California??

Well, now that explains everything, lol.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

94 degrees today with 6-foot swells.

It’s awful.

I wish I could leave all this and head off to PA with you, Terry.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't refering to the weather

but the so cal mentality of their residents. Let’s just be nice and say they’re “different”.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out of curiosity, when did you see him?

And no, when we had that argument you specifically said that you could not discount the tabloid reports because I believe you said “where there is smoke, there is fire.” That clearly means to me that you believe in the tabloid reports and you unquestionably inferred in that piece that you had big questions regarding his leadership ability. All I was saying was that with all the reports coming out of camp, there was good empirical evidence to suggest that such questions were not really warranted. You of course objected and a long, long argument raged on.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

…. not really warranted even in light of the tabloid reports.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, this is where the fandom gets in the way...

When you say “questions were not really warranted”, it feels like someone is either avoiding the answer or hypersensitive about how the answer might make them look. Either way, the best way to ‘man up’ to such things is to come at them directly.

If I see the team performing poorly in multiple areas, not executing well and making mental mistakes, it begs the question, ‘what is the root cause’?

And let’s not call them arguments. How about “rich discussions”?

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say they weren’t “allowable” or should somehow be banned off the boards. I simply don’t think they have any real substance behind them (made my opinion clear many times) based off what I have seen and heard. You can continue to ask them and I will probably continue to get dragged into enriching these discussions, but ultimately I think the scope of your investigation is misplaced. Maybe its only my opinion, but I think a combination of injuries and some poor executing did in this team last year. Injuries have been covered extensively and don’t need any more rehashing. As for the poor executing, I mainly think of the poor line down the stretch and some really poor play from our safeties with regards to run and pass defense. Now I might buy that Wade could have done a better job coaching them up slightly, but truly I don’t think he can make Hamlin get to the Baltimore hole quicker (or Spears hold his ground for that matter) or Keith Davis any better of a player at the SS position. I also think there was only marginal things he could do to cover for the turnstile that our offensive line against Philly. They simply did not execute well at picking up Philly’s blitzes (and I kind of dismiss the idea that they didn’t study them enough since we have played Philly well too many times to buy that). You want my opinion, there it is. The 2008 Cowboys were done in by injuries and poor execution along the offensive line and the safety spots (although they were not alone in their mistakes, I feel they were the biggest holes).

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You had me at...
I will probably continue to get dragged into enriching these discussions

I ask the questions only because I want to elicit opinions like yours.

I cherish the fact that we don’t agree on Wade, and other things. I think there is merit to contrarian views, if only to validate the views one currently holds.

Wouldn’t you agree?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would definitely agree with that… debate is how we not only express our opinions but also how we reevaluate them (every now and then at least). ;-)

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good! Now that we agree...

You’re wrong about all the other stuff.

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha... couldn't help it could you?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Empirical?

There’s nothing empirical about leadership.

And the only empirical evidence for coaches is their record…which Wade is the 3rd winningest active coach in the league, behind Belicheat and Reid.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 28, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Au contraire

Leadership is not as intangible as you make it seem.

But I wouldn’t expect you to be able to grasp that. In some ways, you need to be a leader in order to appreciate great leadership.

You’re a little to angry at the world for that.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've led men into battle

I don’t need to explain leadership, I’ve lived it.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 28, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, THAT explains your anger management issues

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny thing is I've never met a soldier with anger problems

He’ll they always make better employees because they are rational under fire. just saying.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PTSD

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats not anger. Sometimes fear but

you can get that from an abusive spouse or blogger.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 28, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've had some girlfriends like that...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see why

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 29, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 29, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should at least thank me for opening the door for you like that

Sheesh!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it was put on a tee

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 29, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're welcome

In my neck of the woods, the prettier they get, the more likely they are to be in psychotherapy.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I visited a SERE school at Pendleton...

Those guys?

Some had real anger management issues. But part of me felt safer knowing that they did…if you get my meaning.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So leadership (at the very least leading by example) might be easy to spot when say, a player comes in during the offseason and throws to his WR outside of the Dallas program? Or perhaps when that same player is one of the first guys in and last guys out (according to reports)? Or when that same player talks constantly about trying to improve and get better? Or when that player worked so hard that he went from an UDFA to a borderline elite QB in the NFL?

I think we both know who I am talking about.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Leadership is not what you do when everything is great or when nothing is at stake.

Leadership is measurable by the response from a group when under duress.

Even Rosy will agree with that.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everything is great right now? Nothing is at stake in the preseason and offseason? So preparation has nothing to do with the final result? I don’t buy any of that. Leadership doesn’t abide by a clock or anything like that. The fact is that by doing all those things he is setting an example for others of what is acceptable in his eyes. This makes other players work harder and shows what he expects. I see no way that you can deny a great work ethic is a form of leadership. Is it Michael Irvin-type leadership? No it isn’t, but his leadership is clearly progressing towards Troy Aikman-type leadership in the sense he is making it clear what he expects and that he realizes it all flows from him (I base this opinion off listening to him and others this offseason).

To further my point, one of my favorite Michael Irvin stories is that I specifically remember he was once asked about the leadership of those 1990’s teams (I am pretty sure I told you this in a past thread). I will never forget how he laid out that it was Troy who was the unquestionable leader of those teams because everyone knew that their intensity and more importantly, their success, would flow down from him. Of course my other favorite Irvin stories involve training camp and his work ethic (but apparently that isn’t really leadership since it wasn’t in the season).

In the end, perhaps I am being too optimistic. Perhaps all these reports are wrong and are nothing more than people saying the right things. I can’t know because I don’t play for the Cowboys. For my money though, I am inclined to believe something when I hear it out of several players’ mouths. Will I turn out to be right? Neither of us know, but for now, I am perfectly content to believe the players and the reports.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it may illustrate a work ethic or commitment

but leadership by example isn’t really all that important UNLESS you have an audience that sees value in it and that is readily willing to mimic the behavior.

Question about your second paragraph;

Do you think Romo would get that type of commentary from those on the team today? How about last year?

I don’t know if you’re being too optimistic, but I will say this…no game for 2009 has been played and every team is a contender until then. Why not be optimistic?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are right in the sense that Romo has not exactly gotten there quite yet. In my own head, if we got all the players to tell the truth I imagine that they would talk about how Romo started out by just leading by example (considering his coming out of nowhere) and trying to keep his offense satisfied (2008 especially) in what probably couldn’t be considered a true team leader role. I think though that when discussing this past offseason, they would talk about how he has been more vocal and started to demand more from other players. I also think they would say that he has made it more clear that he will be the guy that determines their success (although I still disagree with that notion).

Of course, I think I just reached a new, creepier level of fandom because I could actually picture players saying those things. This is just a guess of course, but if the reports are true, I think this is what it would sound like to interview a current player about Romo and his leadership.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if we can say for sure Wade will provide leadership from the HC position

but so far this camp, everything sounds great aside from penalties of course. I’m muh happier with what i’ve heard about the team this training camp and on Wade’s D than the last two.

by foyesboys on Aug 27, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leadership thoughts -

The difference between the good coaches and great coaches is simple: “Management is doing things right; leadership is doing the right things.” Which one is Wade? And to the notion that somehow Wade and/or Romo is going to somehow develop into a great leader in one year, here is what “Big Bill” used to say, “The Leadership instinct you are born with is the backbone. You develop the funny bone and the wishbone that go with it”. As many said earlier, getting to the tournament is all about injuries, bad calls, and lucky bounces too. It seems that everyone is doing their level best, so maybe we should just get out of the way and let them play the game.

"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"

by SaratogaRacing on Aug 27, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No doubt there is some degree of luck in the whole injury, bad call, bad bounce analogy

But would you not agree that great teams overcome such issues more so than weaker teams?

And assuming you agree, don’t you believe the leadership paradigms set forward for those teams are the principal differentiation?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on what a great team is. The 1998 Vikings were probably a great team, but they don’t have a ring. The same goes for many, many teams (the early 1990’s Bills, the 2007 Patriots, etc.). The Super Bowl by definition defines the best team at the END of the season, but I don’t think it does for the whole season.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 27, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although after rereading your post (I think I missed the point slightly), I would agree they do a better job at overcoming those bad luck moments than not great teams.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 27, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

…and that was my point exactly.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

while it is always difficult to quantify just how much of an impact an injury will have on a team, Rick Gosselin compiled a list here of injured starters for all teams last year.

According to his list, Pittsburgh and Baltimore were hit pretty hard with injuries last year, but they still managed to meet up in the conference championships.

So a good team can come through despite injuries, but as he points out in his article, that is the exception, not the rule.

(since the list is about starters, obviously the Felix Jones injury isn’t reflected in the Dallas numbers as he wasn’t a starter in week one. But the same goes for all other teams)

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 28, 2009 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im actually only concerned with injuries.

I think most of the decisions made were the right one. Saratoga is exactly right. Get out of the way and let them play. Thats going to be the only answer that counts.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100%

Health is the key, we stay healthy, we’ll win, it’s that simple.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that because you thikn we are better than everyone else?

Or are you assuming if we stay healthy, other teams won’t?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A little of both.

I think we have enough talent to win.(along with about 12 other teams)No matter how talented you are you need some luck.

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

our starters are as good as any team in the league

our back ups are a different story.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+!

U can look at across the board, in every position we are either top 10 or near top 10 w/ arguably the best LB Core (mostly just cuz of DWare), TE and RB group. Our Oline when healthy last year ran the ball very well 200+ against GB and milking the clock in Wash. Romo is a very good QB. Our WRs aren’t as bad as every mediot perceives and our Dline is pretty solid. If you got the Cowboys annual u would see that Hamlin is a very good FS and if Sensi can cover a TE w/ out too many issues he will be back in probowl form. We have 3 good CBs as well. There isn’t a big need to upgrade a starter right now so if we stay relatively healthy and only lose on a few positions that are strengths then we should if nothing else get a chance in the playoffs

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 27, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet...

in 2007, in a relatively injury-free year, with far more pro bowlers, the outcome was largely the same.

Is Pittsburgh the most talented team in the NFL? Nope. But is Dick LeBeau the best Defensive Coach in the NFL? I’ll let you decide…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa there

Pittsburgh is a VERY talented defense, in large part because safety play is such a big part of today’s game and they got a great one. In fact, looking at the great defenses of the last 10 years, the Ravens (Reed?..I think he was there), Bucs (Lynch), Colts in 2005 playoffs (Sanders), Pats (Harrison), Steelers (Polamalu), Eagles (Dawkins). Thats every team thats won a superbowl other than the giants.They have really good players across the board, and aside from ware and maybe newman, they are better than us position by position, ESPECIALLY at the key 3-4 position, linebacker, and imo the most important defensive position in the league, safety.

Not saying I think coaches are worthless, but the coaches that win superbowls also tend to have the most talented players at their disposal.

by foyesboys on Aug 27, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

But on the strength of their roster alone, how many people would have picked the Steelers to win it all last year. They certainly had fewer marquee players than Dallas, San Diego and others.

They had piss poor play from the O-Line, suffered injuries galore and overcame their adversity. I attribute their success in the face of that adversity to coaching and a team culture which enables their coaches to be as good as they can be.

Every team has talent. San Diego might have been the most talented team in the league last year from top to bottom. They were 9-7 and faltered again in the postseason.

Hey, I’m just sayin’…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your basing your judgement of our talent on what the guys on this blog say.

We arent anymore or less talented than Pitt or anybody else. Pro bowls are popularity contest not a measure of how much talent you have.

We havent put the whole thing together yet. Break downs can be found every where in every game. We have had some major holes(SS anyone)

The playoff loss to the Giants wasnt about shitty coaches but rather meeting a team that was hot and rolling. We could pick out numerous little things and place blame on players and positional coaches but they came into the playoffs playing better. We sat around and read our press clippings and our 13-3 record and they got ready to play.
 By the way, that same team beat another team that was 18-0 and was on its way to being the greatest team of alltime. They were better than we want to believe. We would have been better served mentally if we would have split our games with them.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat constintino wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 28, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm, okay but...

what team doesn’t have holes?

And here is where I vehemently disagree with you;

“We sat around and read our press clippings and our 13-3 record and they got ready to play.”

THAT is where good coaching matters most. No coach worth their salt would let that happen on their watch. I know I never do.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem I have with this view of why 2007 ended the way it did (addressing squidlo’s point) is that it relies heavily on abstract ideas such as leadership and good coaching (abstract in the sense that it is hard to define a factually correct way to do them). It fails to address the concrete football problems that Dallas faced such as an ailing star WR (T.O. was not the normal T.O. of 2007 in that game) and an offensive line that wore down and failed to give Romo much unabated time. Perhaps that is where coaching should have been better (coaching the backup WR’s and offensive line better), but the idea that somehow Phillips let this team rest on its laurels too much is an idea I just can’t really buy.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

Is it just anathema for you to think that Wade might not be that good a head coach?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it unreasonable that he is a good coach?

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 28, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thus far as a HC?

Yes, but only if you rely upon the facts.

In your eyes, I’m sure Switzer was the Second Coming while he was Dallas’ coach, if for no other reason than the fact that he WAS Dallas’ coach.

Rosy, I’m not knocking your viewpoint, I’m just saying you are wrong.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What facts?

He’s got a .588 winning record, has only taken over 1 team (the ’Boys) with a winning record and is currently 3rd in winning percentage behind Belicheat & Reid (and not that far behind).

He’s been a tremedously successful DC.

You have no facts to back your argument except 0-4.

You need to see your high school guidance councelor about getting on the debate team or taking a class in logic…’cause yours is lacking.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 28, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure he's rated up there with Lombardi

What times of the day do you take your meds and who do I talk to about upping the dosage?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not fair

he post valid points.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 28, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay

His coaching resume is relatively short and his winning % is buoyed by the 13-3 record of 2007.

He has no post-season success to his name and he wasn’t hotly pursued by anyone other than Dallas when we hired him.

Since he has been here, he hasn’t run a tight ship, he’s looked befuddled at critical times and his teams have faltered in key late-season contests. The result is that his boss has asked him to change.

His .588 won’t save his job if this team misses the playoffs and the REST of the NFL world will always look upon him as Winnie the coach.

How’s that?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uninformed (is that better Grizz?)

He has 7 years as a HC, 30 + years as a coach.

You show an amazing lack of grasping when you’re wrong.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 29, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of people do lots of jobs for lots of time...

and still aren’t very good at them.

I’m sure you are hoping people don’t recall how you lauded Dave Campo’s work in Dallas.

We get it Rosy. Your role here is to say every positive thing that you can while being intolerant of those who disagree with you.

We get it.

You’ve said nothing and want people to agree with you.

I think those with a brain of their own aren’t quite on the same page.

Now, go feed your gerbil.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy "befuddled at critical times"

THe last 5 quarters of last year, we were an absolute mess from top to bottom, but thats it. And I think because that sticks in peoples minds so much, they tend to generalize and blame coaching for all our faults the last two years

In 2007, despite a rather poor secondary and average-good pressure, we made key plays defensively throughout the season late in games. We played well defensively in december, and aside from jacque reeves, in the playoffs too.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches generally take the heat for such things

That said, he’s also been pretty poor in the ’coach’s challenge’ department.

I think he takes some barbs for that too.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is reasonable to say he might not be a great head coach, but bad head coaches don’t go 13-3. And if he was that bad, would we really have been that close in that playoff game against the eventual Super Bowl champions. The bottom line is that the reason we lost (at least in my eyes) is because of what happened on the field regarding execution rather than because Wade didn’t give them a good enough rah-rah pre-game speech or a stern enough talking to during the week leading up to the game.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither of us knows for sure...

and this is the beauty of opining on the subject.

I think he is an outstanding DC, but I don’t think he is a good head coach. However, I hope and pray that he can become one…quickly.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough... That hope is what links us all together.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given that Tom Brady was out for the whole season as was merriman

I don’t think its a stretch to say Pitt was an AFC favorite. And they didn’t suffer injuries as bad as us, seattle, or NE when you consider what Brady means to them.

We were an NFC favorite, yes. Nowhere near as clear a favorite as the media made us out to be, but we were a favorite. But when you spend 3 games without your top qb and with a historically bad one, lose your top two rbs for most of the season, play without your starting lg and with your lt spending a game or two with no arms against an agressive D (Arizona)….its understandable that we went 9-7. We choked away the pitt game, and in washington and arizona, had the chace to pull out miracle wins like we did in 2007 – we just didn’t.

I think your generalizing too much by calling this a leadership/coaching issue. IN the first half of the year, our offense was great but our D was poor – it took til about midseason when Scandrick and Jenkins got serious pt that we played better.

In the second half, our defense was real good and our offense was poor, in large part because our qb seemed to lose timing with his players due to the hand injury and time missed. Garrett does get considerable blame here for keeping BJ as the backup, but thats not really a “coaching” issue…

by foyesboys on Aug 28, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You agree with the firing of our DC last year?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

And I think that is an example of how wade changed starting around midseason last year. He decided to take responsibility for his area of expertise, which imo he should’ve done all alone. Since that time, there have been COUNTLESS examples of this organization holding players accountable.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you believe that was Wade's call or Jerry's?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure you can definitively say either one

given that we weren’t there and don’t exactly know, I’d say its probably just as likely that wade realized that things needed to change as it was that jerry did…..

regardless, something got done, the right move was made, which shows LEADERSHIP. We have heard multiple times from EVERYONE that this is Wade’s team, he has gotten a chance to bring in some of HIS players, I don’t see any way you can say wade hasn’t taken accountability for this team this year. Thats leadership.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Waitttttttttttttttttt a minute...

I’m sorry.

That seems like you’re wussing out because you don’t like where the answer leads, but I am not going to let you off easy (I respect your opinion too much). So…

Who’s call do you think it was?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EVERYONE

I dont think there was any one person in particular who ordered it, I think it was readily apparent to EVERYONE that Stewart was doing a poor job and Wade needed to take control of the D.

Its really impossible to give credit for that decision to any single one person, at least from what I know.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then I think you don't understand how Corporate America works...

That decision was top-down, made by the same guy who hired the OC.

Having been the guy who’s had to make the call on senior exectutives in the pat, I can tell you that despite how people want to say it was collaborative, that’s just not how it works.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have NOTHING to back that up.

So your telling me in a span of a month an a half jerr jones went from the same guy that brought in pacman, tank, gave out monster extensions and resigned TO, to a man that suddenly cared about accountablity,etc..and noone else had a say? I don’t buy that. I think from our problems were evident to everyone in this organization around the halfway point of last year. The only debatable one was TO.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's true, I have nothing to back it up...

but I don’t have single thing to contradict it either.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stephen Jones

He is the governor installed on Jerry’s crazy train.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think he made that call?

Makes sense.

Unfortunately, that means there’s even more dispersal of power at the top than a HC would need to be successful.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Stephen convinced Jerry

I know Jerry has ultimate authority, so there is no dispersal of power to worry about.

But his son seems to be his closest and most trusted adviser, and the one guy who can nudge Jerry on tough decisions.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pittsburgh has more talent than you think

although leBeau is what makes that defense great, however that being said, the players still need to execute.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Household names

How many does Pitt have?

How many does Dallas have?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

household names doesn't necessarily equal talent

Jay Ratiff is as good as they get but he’s certainly not a household name.

Vick is a household name but he sucks.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't answer the question

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's because it's irrelevant

to the basis of the argument.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hardly

It’s these facts that put your contention about Pittsburgh’s talent level being “better than you think” in jeopardy.

Pro Bowlers, highly touted players, whatever you want to call it.

Dallas had better players and more of them.

Pittsburgh played better with lesser talent.

It is what it is.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's simply not true

pro bowlers and highly touted players doesn’t equal better or more talented players.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does?

In Terryland?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So were you going to answer the question?

Because I still don’t know how you distinguish between the players…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about some examples...

Maybe even ones that the MSM overrates?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Players who get high talent grades

Isn’t that what we’ve been discussing?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it's an INVERSE correlation!!!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say that Pittsburgh does have tons of top talent that flies under the radar such as Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, Lamar Woodley, and Ryan Clark (just on the defensive side of the ball). On the offensive side of the ball, I believe guys like Nate Washington and Heath Miller flew under the radar when compared to how effective they were for Pitt. I don’t know how this applies to yours or Terry’s argument, but that is my own belief about Pittsburgh.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeremiah Trotter

A BEAST in Philly playing under Jim Johnson’s watchful eye. A BUST in Washington with a $25 million dollar contract.

He was the same player, but without the performance.

I think you know about some of those guys in Pittsburgh BECAUSE of LeBeau’s schemes and intolerance of mental breakdown.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I am sure that has a lot of truth to it, but I am simply saying that those are some very individually skilled players who go under the radar. The one I especially take exception to is Lamar Woodley who would be the best OLB/DE hybrid for any team not named the Cowboys, the Steelers, or the Ravens.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

He’d be a stud on any team.

Ryan Clark…Aaron Smith? Not so much…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Aaron Smith would be a great 3-4 DE for any team. He holds his ground great and is very solid. The Ryan Clark question is more perplexing. I like his athletic ability, but he has benefitted from playing alongside Troy Polamalu and with a great pass rush. I would bet a lot of money though that he will get a big contract this offseason.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aaron Smith is a GREAT DE...

he would surely start for us, easily

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOOK AT OUR DE'S!!!!

That isn’t saying anything…not a thing.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think our DE’s aren’t that bad for 3-4 DE’s. I mean honestly, name really great 3-4 DEs and its relatively a short list. Like it or not Aaron Smith has got talent and is damn fine at his position.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 29, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seymour, Warren, Ngata...

Most of them are in the AFC.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Warren and Ngata, I believe are NTs

and who we never had a chance to get because they were drafted high.

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by squidlo97 on Aug 29, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Warren No. Wilfork is the NT.

Ngata sometimes. Kelly Gregg starts at NT and Ngata starts at DE in the Rex Ryan alignment but plays some snaps over the nose.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seymour = old and not the same
Warren = Agreed
Ngata = NT for Baltimore

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 30, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As opposed to...

Spears = a big first-round tub of bust

Canty = did nothing while he was here

Igor = set free by a team that also has suspect DE’s

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calling Spears a bust is inherently unfair. Does he have sacks? Not really, but that is not the main function of a 3-4 DE, especially one that only plays the first two downs. His job is to stop the run and the last two years we have ranked sixth and twelfth in yards per game. Canty was also a large part of that. And if you have been watching the preseason, Igor is a monster against the run. Are any of them Seymour in his prime? No, but they are solid and don’t really deserve the labels you give. The same way that my glasses are rosy-colored, yours must be tinted.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 30, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

For some time now he has been promising us a breakout season. “Wade’s defense will take advantage of my quickness to penetrate and make plays”. Uh huh. Thus far, he’s a guy who’s most notable play is getting blown out of his lane in the Ravens contest.

I’m not saying he’s not a good locker room guy and all that, but the guy isn’t who people thought he was.

Roddy White, Marlin Jackson, Haath Miller, Logan Mankins, Lofa Tatupu…just some names that fared better but were drafted later than Marcus.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spears is in no way a bust!

Despite the trashing he gets, this guy has been nothing but solid his whole career. Is he a supper star All Pro Sack Champion ? No, but the dude id solid, solid, solid. Seems like he gets a tackle for loss in every game. He sure holds that left side down.

On a scale of 1 to 10 he is a solid 8.

by bad knees on Aug 30, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 8 who won't get re-signed

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, maybe not,

But he will have less trouble finding a new gig than we will at finding a quality replacement!

by bad knees on Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

13-3 and a loss in the divisional round does not equal missing the playoffs at 9-7. The result is only the same in that neither won a ring. And while I agree that is what we all should desire rings instead of simply a playoff win or two, I don’t think it is right to say that non Super Bowl winning seasons are largely the same. I mean the Cowboys in 2002 didn’t win a ring, but that team was a lot different from the 2007 Cowboys. Simply put, it isn’t fair to judge/compare teams on the black and white scale of winning the Super Bowl.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 27, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree and disagree

Only because if we play the AFC West, we’re likely to have a better record than when we face the AFC South.

Strength of schedule and prior finish has a lot to do with regular season record, IMO.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is a fair statement to say that we can play with anyone in this league if healthy. I mean last year we went into Pittsburgh and dominated them for three quarters. I know winning is all that matters, but I think it is completely fair to recognize the potential of this team.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 27, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dominated?

Not so much…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed…. This team, if healthy, can accomplish its goals. Its talent level is in the upper echelon of the NFL and I don’t think coaching is as much of an issue as some believe. Wade is one of the best defensive minds in the game and Garrett is undeniably a coach with a lot of potential on the offensive side of the ball (see 2007 offense). If this team can stay healthy, I believe anything is possible.

Health → best players on field → more effective schemes and better execution → better team → winning

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 27, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Coaching is definitely not our problem, and Houck is not going to be the one who is responsible for our O-Line play this year. If they can’t cut back on stupid penalties or mistakes (which they’ve done under EVERY coach we’ve had) then we’re toast. It’s on Flo, Kosier, Gurode, Bigg and Columbo. That’s it,

by ChrisRichey on Aug 27, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What will you do if Dallas underperforms and Jerry pulls the trigger on Wade?

Will you say he was wrong to do so because, as you said, “Coaching is definitely not our problem”?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

coaches are always the scapegoat

because the owner can’t fire all the players.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you won't be...

unless the team struggles and then you’ll blame Wade because it simply cannot be Romo’s fault.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't blame Wade

I’ll blame the players like I always do because the players win and lose games, not coaches.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh right, it's the O-Line

…or the wet ball.

I forgot.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Romo isn't running for his life all game but still has some dumb desicions

then we have to fully blame him but this is the one sport out there where one player cannot completely decide the outcome of the game, there are too many factors that play in to the game.

"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards

by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 27, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think you'll make 200 posts with this arguement Bling

That’s about all I can say on the subject except to quote from a far wiser person than I:

“Stupid is as Stupid does!”

by bad knees on Aug 27, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sometime I wonder...

Is Blings trying to just piss us off, or is he lookiing for credible arguments?

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 27, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

This blog would be pretty boring if everyone agreed with each other.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If everyone agrees then someone isnt thinking. General George Patton

I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson

by squidlo97 on Aug 27, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fighter hates to fight

He’s a lover.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 27, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you pissed off?

Once you dig deep and figure that out, you’ll live a better life.

I don’t sense anger among anyone else when I pose these questions (which is all that they are).

You’re like a Joe Pesci mosquito running around staring up at everyone else screaming “THEY F*** YOU AT THE DRIVE-THRU!!!!”

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you're probably right

The fanpost is unlikely to get much response at all…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5Blings = Skip Bayless

Seriously, don’t you ever get sick of talking about the same things over and over?

by ChrisRichey on Aug 27, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 27, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chill the beer for Skip

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will only agree once 5Blings uses “Romeo” instead of Romo ad nauseam.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 27, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's my Avatar

Isn’t that enough??

I’m not going to Terryville and becoming Romosexual, only because hiring Bar Refaeli is fine with me.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way no how am I going down this path with you, Nick.

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See?

This is the beginning of a descent into the deepest, darkest areas of the blogosphere.

One that reveres outlandish innuendo and devalues rich football discussion.

Oh woe is me…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 27, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad KC

Bad!!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not at all

Even though he brings up a lot of the same points (lets face it, we’ve rehashed every topic over and over during the offseason), I think they’re valid and are worth discussing. I don’t always agree, but frankly I enjoy reading posts from fans who are a little more skeptical about the team than I am.

and noone aside from Tex has any skip bayless qualities. Hes in a league of his own.

by foyesboys on Aug 27, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Skip refer to himself in the third person too?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the Dallas Cowboys?

No Chris.

Not ever.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

:)

At least you’re consistent

by ChrisRichey on Aug 28, 2009 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wait until I rehash the draft....

Buckle your seatbelts, that is going to be a bumpy ride!!!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Appreciate the love, BK...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I neither endorse or condemn any views expressed on this blog;

Unless, I agree with them or they are utterly asinine!

by bad knees on Aug 28, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does a fanposter have to do to get a Rec from you?

You’re like that hard-grading organic chemistry teacher no one wants to take.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

leadership

in terms of winning the big one … i think they are good points.
thx for the detailed article.

i would agree that leadership is an issue. all i really can say …. regardless of what happened or what didn’t happen …. is that when it came down to squash all the “TO is a homewrecker” or “Tony isnt a leader” or “cowboys are predictable” ….. there wasn’t a strong supportive response by the TEAM. the “leaders” of this team let that happen. who the leaders are apparently are still waiting to be seen.

shouldnt be any excuses this year. let the eagles and giants think they deserve the top of the east. that much easier to take it from them.

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by fuji1232 on Aug 27, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like this post

I am bullish on this season…I think we are on the brink of a SuperBowl season, barring serious injury set-backs, of course. This post is fair in that it identifies these 2 issues as potential issues; to be seen. We have to admit that last year they were both a question mark. However, 2 years ago it was the same HC and OC that took the team to 13-3. Many of the same players in leadership roles now where here then. Which team will show up. I personally think the team sounds a lot more like the team of 2007 than 2008 and that is a great thing. Nonetheless, until the sason gets going, we won’t be able to back-up our opinions with factual evidence from the field. Until then, we can argue all we want about whether the concerns will become real issues, but I think its fair to say coaching and leadership are concerns still; hopefully to be proven solved as the season progresses.

by Kansas Cowboy on Aug 27, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think its more complicated than that

AS I’ve stated a few times, our 2007 schedule was a joke. The second best team on there was the GB Packers. Our division struggled that year and we had 5 games against pathetic teams. The AFC East and NFC North were awful divisions.

In 2 games against our closest division competitor Giants), we played PERFECT offensive ball and had to outscore them to win. We even caught a couple breaks (like Toomer stepping out of the end zone early in the week 2 game on a td that would’ve given them a 2 td lead). In the playoffs we made individual mistakes on 5 offensive plays + GUrode’s high snaps, and therefore lost.

But disregarding the schedule, we’re just a different team. The offense will NOT be the same – I doubt Romo will get a much time to throw as that year, and no wrs gonna get as many touches as TO did – our offense is gonna spread the ball around much more, and if our line can play better, we’ll have a monster 1 2 punch in felix and barber.

Defensively, our secondary is light years ahead of that year, when it was our biggest weakness. If we have a weakness this year it could very well be the run D.

by foyesboys on Aug 27, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

That’s well thought out.

Bravo.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post Blings!

Although I don’t always agree with you, I always enjoy your opinions and the structure of your writing. Always a great read! You always seem to get the debates going!

I need to get something off my chest….

I am soooooooooooooooooooooo tired of hearing about all the talent we have on this team (yes I am still bitter about last season). I am a huge Cowboy fan but I am taking the wait-and-see approach for this season. I am feeling optimistic from the things that I’ve seen and heard, but I don’t want to hear about the talent on this team. We all know there is talent on this team. But talent alone doesn’t win champonships (i.e. 9-7 last season). So, please stop with all the “with all the talent we have” crap because it hasn’t done anything for us yet.

by Boyz4Life on Aug 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Boyz

While I understand your frustration about the talent comments, I think your second thought really nails it.

From a purely relativistic point of view, this team is very talented. The roster is more highly touted than three-quarters of the NFL. Anyone who argues to the contrary is either not well informed or an Eagle fan.

But you’re right. Talent won’t (despite Terry’s best efforts to convince us of the contrary) win you a Bling. Looking purely at rosters last year, I’d say San Diego and New England had the best AFC rosters. In the NFC, I’d have picked the Giants and (ugh) Eagirls. The best coaches in this league (again, purely IMO) are Bellichick and Reid. the Super Bowl included none of the above.

I guess the takeaway is that, barring injury, with all other things being equal, the best coaches can help their teams get past the kind of adversity that comes in a long, difficult NFL Season in a way the lesser coaches simply cannot.
 

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was never my argument

I never said only talent wins championships, what I said was players win and lose games, not the coaching staff.

I never brought up talent, that was just an assumption on your part.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then I am confused

You say players win games, not coaches.

You say better players leads to better performance and coaches are the beneficiaries.

You say you never brought up talent.

Dizzy now…please help…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said better players leads to better performance

that was your assumption. I just said players determine the outcome of games, not coaches because they are ones executing the plays and gameplan.

Your argument is like blaming a student if he or she fails an exam by blaming the teacher or professor that they didn’t do a good enough job of teaching that student.

BS! The responsibility lies withinh the student just like the responsibility of winning and losing games lies within the players because the players are playing the game, not the coaches.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't???

I don’t know what to believe…

You say this…

I never said better players leads to better performance

And this…

Funny how Belichick became a great coach once he had good players to work with at NE. He was the same coach at Cleveland, but obviously didn’t have the players to execute.

How can a logical person not infer that you ARE in fact, saying better players leads to better performance when you suggest Bellicheat’s performance in NE is the result of having better players.

Think long and hard about this one because I feel you painting yourself into a corner.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, I'm not

I was just pointing out that coaches win games because their players execute their gameplans and play well. Whether they are more talented than the other team is irrelevant.

I’ll use the Ginats for example. Coughlin was the same coach prior to the 2007 season, however, because his players decided to play well and execute and beat teams in the playoffs that had better talent, now all of a sudden he’s a great coach.

I don’t but it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think they decided to play well. They got rid of their "memememe" Player

and started listening to Coughlin. Coaches coach better when you actually do what they say.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 28, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hardly

The listening to Coughlin part was the players doing, not the coaches.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, yes, Terry, we know...

Coaches are afterthoughts.

Landry and Jimmy were just along for the ride. Blah, Blah, Blah…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course I never said that

They were great coaches, but they certainly wouldn’t have won 5 SB titles if their players didn’t play great football.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think they NEEDED Landry and JJ to win the 5 Blings?

or, could any number of coaches gotten them to the same set of outcomes?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

both Landry and JJ were great fits

for the organization during the times they coached. Wouldn’t have wanted any other coaches during those time periods.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 29, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Artful Dodger

The question remains…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont give a rats ass who gets credit for getting them to listen

the point is, they started listening.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you reject the idea that Coughlin was consciously trying to modify his style?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do, that Dude aint changing. He is was he is.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 28, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He finally relented and let his coaches wear sunglasses in camp

I thought that was a big move. LOL

Seriously though, Strahan and others still talk about how he changed his delivery, without losing the essence of who he was.

I am hoping Wade can do something similar.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were saving face for acting like 2 year olds.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 28, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This makes me apoplectic
Whether they are more talented than the other team is irrelevant.

Seriously dude…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely would not go that far. There is something to be said for execution though. That is how a Lions team in 2007 almost beats a one-loss Cowboys team.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...and coaching

Which is why we got the 1 in our 1-15 season against a much more talented Redskin team.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Valid point as well... They all must come together...

Gasp!!!!

Did I just agree with 5Blings?!?!?!?!

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're becoming more enlightened with every post

Grasshopper…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha... Something certainly must be up... Maybe there is something in this water

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keepin mind

our defense had utterly collapsed at that point with the problems covering rbs and tes, i think that was the first game carp got serious playing time. Also, Romo lost control of multiple balls with his thumb problem, i think he threw one or two balls backwards that game (or maybe i’m just mkaing that up?) in addition to the fumbles.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds like excuses

…the kind great teams never make.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

excuses??

Our inability to cover rbs and tes the last three weeks is an EXCUSE? Seriously? Our qb playing with a banged up thumb and throwing balls backwards is an excuse??

We weren’t a great team at the end of 2006. period. no excuses.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking about the 2007 version when Romo led the comeback to win.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 29, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its all good dude... When you mentioned the inability to cover RB's I knew you meant 2006

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 30, 2009 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, it is...

covering RB’s and TE’s is something you expect a professional football team to be able to do (in fact, any team in any league is).

Saying, “we just couldn’t do it”.

I agree we weren’t a great team, but a team with in pursuit of greatness would never say that. They’d say they failed to do their job.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The team never said that

I did. I would never expect the team to say “we’re not good enough”. But its not unreasonable for a fan to acknowledge that..

We were pretty much experimenting on defense in week 17 and the playoffs of the 2006 season after coordinators exposed a weakness in our defense. Bobby Carpenter got the only significant PT of his career those weeks.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tabloid Timmy is back

On the coaching staff:

This might be the most talented group of coaches in the league:
- At least 4 assistants have been coordinators &/or head coaches (including Wade, Grantham, Campo, Herring)
- Three assistants are considered the best in the NFL (Houck, Sherman, Juraszek)
- DeCamillis is considered one of the premier ST coaches
- Wade is one of the innovators of the 3-4 and is considered by knowledgeable people as an outstanding DC. He is not the first (nor only) HC wearing dual hats.

Only those still hanging onto their hatred of GM Jerry still consider the hiring of Garrett a problem. Jerry HAD to. One, he was considering Garrett at HC. Two, both Wade and Turner signed off on it. Three, other teams wanted him and Garrett wanted an answer. To date, there has not been a single peep that there is a problem between Garrett and Wade. Wade was the one that asked Jerry to keep Garrett, when he had to pay him top dollar last year. The guy was offered 2 HC jobs…must be doing something right.

As for Houck and DeCamillis, there are no finer coaches in the NFL. They have proven themselves time and time again, had multple offers (including their former teams) and WANTED to be here.

This is a great collection of coaches. Not good, great!

You obviously don’t like Wade, and there is no argument that will change your mind. But if you look at his record, the teams he took over, and the turnaround that has occured in every single place he’s been, you’ll see a very good HC. Unfortunately, he’ll be tagged a “Shottenheimer” until he wins in the post season.

Leadership: (aka, let’s bash Romo)

There is no question who the leaders on defense are. It’s been said by every player and coach…this is Brady James’ defense. Hamlin is the leader of the secondary. Ware has taken on a mentoring role, and no one doubts who owns the DL.

As for the Offense, well the leader on every team is the QB, by nature of the position. There is no one else that could. Now, there is an argument that other players can hinder that leadership, but no other player determines the fate of the offense.

It’s also a fact that leaders must develop, and that takes a few years. Even Staubach and Aikman took a few years to become the identity and unquestioned leader on the team.

At least you acknowledged that everything that has been done and reported on during the offseason is pointing up. It’s a natural maturation process.

As for other leaders on the Offense, it’s clear Witten is one. Kosier is soul of the OL. And the wideouts have Roy Williams as the king of the kangaroo court.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the leadership on this team. You may not like them, but they are the leaders.

This post was nothing more than inflamatory tabloid journalism cleaverly disguised as analysis. At least Tex doesn’t pull punches and try to argue every inane detail.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 28, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you agree with me?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That you continue to post tabloid issues?

sure.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 28, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes, the evil MSM...every day is Friday the 13th at Rosy's house

Ooh skeery!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This post will definitely exceed 300 comments

But if you deduct the ones from 5Blings, it would only be about 20 ;)

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 2:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ask me a question and I WILL answer it

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the record?

I’m sure we can crush it on the next Asaph Schwapp Play-by-Play thread…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I use that as my next signature?

Still laughing

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 28, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, for a $5 trademark fee every time you post

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome everbody

to the “Bling and Terry” show!

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 28, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

DUNK!!!

I missed you, man.

Now come on, this is your first post on this discussion and THAT is what you lead with?

Ugh…what have you done with the real Dunkman????

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't jump onto a 250 entry thread

and get any traction, so I thought I’d better just summarize…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 28, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll make it byte-sized (blog humor) for you...

What role, in the grand scheme of things, does coaching play on a team’s ability to win?

Does it impact, in any way, the players’ ability to execute properly?

Is it something that would allow a team full of leesser talents to overcome one with much more talented players?

Is it really just a necessary evil because the million-dollar babies need a nanny?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take it easy, Francis

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that it's been dumbed down for me...

In the Age of Parity, coaching plays a significant if not deciding role

It influences a player’s execution, but because of that tricky concept of “free will” (not to be confused with Free Willy) it can only do so much. No one taught Flo to jump early or Gurode to hike the ball to the ref. Those are free will in action.

Occasionally, but it depends on so much more than the binary equation of “is it coaching or is it talent?” Is it nurture or nature? The answer, inevitably is both. Yes a lesser team can overcome a greater, but it is difficult.

It is necessary not because they are babies (some are and some are not) but because they are individuals and need a someone to establish a bond between them – a common purpose, an ethic, a sense of purpose, a system to believe in.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No post would be truly complete without Dunkman's input...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As always, a fun read from the Dunkster...

LOL @

No one taught Flo to jump early or Gurode to hike the ball to the ref.

I don’t think that statement is a binary equation (because it isn’t an equation), but I get your drift.

There I think you begin to head down the yellow brick road. Coaches represent the vision, mission and strategy for a team. They instill whatever degrees of professionalism, discipline and accountability model that will predominate. This is where I struggle with Jerry Jones. HC’s need lieutenants of like mind, not those who have been picked by, and have allegiances to, the GM/Owner. I wonder if this sets up the HC to fail. If so, maybe I’ve been too hard on Winie and should focus more on Jerry.

Hmmmm…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BK, do you agree that the practice of hiring coordinators prior to the HC is goofy?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, is it your contention that Wade is a better HC than Jerry will allow him to be?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What? What the hell are you talking about?

That had nothing to do with what you asked me. He could be a great head coach and a great DC , or suck at both, or be a better HC than DC or a better DC than HC.

The only assumption that you can possibly get from my answer is that a HC should have some say so in who his staff is going to be.

Man, I think you need a vacation!

by bad knees on Aug 29, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who doesn't?

But maybe I asked that poorly, so let’s try again…

Do you think that Jerry hiring Garrett and not allowing Wade to pick his coordinators makes it more difficult for Wade to be the true coaching leader of this team and do the things dunkman posted?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who was out there?

Cameron? who else?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you get an interview?

Maybe you were hired to an “unnamed position” too and just didn’t know it.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No credit... (shakes head)

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 28, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never thought this tread would get to 200, I was incorrect

I forgot about Bling’s obsession bout having the 1st and last word. No, disrespect intended………..well, maybe a little! Enjoy the banter! :)

by bad knees on Aug 28, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It has everything

Drama, comedy, unrequieted love (Fighter15 won’t take no for an answer), innuendo, off-the-wall wordplay (although the whole serendipity thing was way out of left field), courage, heroism, guilt (Terry), Innocence (Me), agreement, disagreement, disagreement leading to agreement, war, peace and last but certainly not least…an Asaph Schwapp reference!

What more could a blogger ask for?

God Bless America and GO COWBOYS!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 28, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you forgot to add

NOTHING

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by fuji1232 on Aug 28, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm way too lazy to read all the comments, sorry if I'm repeating stuff...

I basically could have stopped reading at:

let’s be honest. This is another one of Jerry’s ill-conceived coaching staffs

First, Wade is a proven commodity with defensive schemes… there are very few coaches in the league I’d take over Wade to run this D.

Second, Garrett only looks as good as the players executing. In ‘07, with A healthy team, he looked like a genius. A few injuries later and now everyone can’t jump that bandwagon fast enough?

This is simplistic at best. All you need to do is take the “body of work” and you can easily make the case that the Cowboys have a GREAT coaching staff.

I do like the way you framed the leadership stuff… more of a question of “if” … with several potential guys possibly stepping up. For my money, Romo’s the man for the job this year, and I think we’ll be looking back at these days of doubt with a smile.

I also like your attitude: SUPER BOWL OR BUST!

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 7:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I'm going to agree and challenge you a bit...

Being a great defensive mind doesn’t mean you will be a great coach. Some guys (Wade, Norv, Gregg Williams, etc.) may just be better suited for a coordinator’s role. That’s why I asked the two-hat question. so what do you think?

I disagree on the body of work stuff. Who on that staff has been a key contributor to building a great team?

I agree on Romo. He’ll do better in this area. He has to.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nearly all of them.

- Houck & Campo with Dallas in the 90’s.
- Sherman with GB, Pittsburgh, and the OC of the great Vikes team’s. Not to mention Titans and several others.
- Grantham with the Colts and the Texans turnaround
- Herring was primarily a college DC, but his units led the nation several times
- John Garrett under Groh in Virginia helped turn the program around.
- Wilson as a player had a Pro Bowl and many playoff appearances including backing up Aikman in SBXXX. As a coach, he led sexy Rexy to the Super Bowl…unbelievable.

Ah heck, there’s more, but you need to do your homework. Either you’re being intentionally confrontational, or you’re just pulling opinions out your…

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 29, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many of them have a Bling?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 29, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the coaching staff could also be called "5 Blings"?

So cool…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I generally agree ith you

Jerry screwed the pooch hiring Wade first, and for HC. But thats probably the only way we could get wade to come and I feel that bringing on wade to improve this D has been a success. But thats in the past frankly. For the 6 months, the franchise has been run very well imo.

And your wrong about the staff, this is an EXCELLENT staff we have. But there is a hole at that HC spot. We’re just gona have to live with that mistake cause the alternative is to kill the progress the D has made these last couple years.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry i meant

Garrett first and wade for HC

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why doesn't anyone recognize the realities?

Jerry had no other choice if Garrett was going to be on the Cowboys staff. Miami gave him one or two weeks to decide during the middle of Jerry’s HC search.

Second (and more importantly), both Wade and Norv signed off on the hiring.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 29, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rosy strikes again

Jerry had no choice!!!

“We HAD to have Garrett because he is the ONLY person who could do his job.”

Rosy, tell me what you DON’T like about this team and front office…

Your incessant apologism is vapid at this point.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't have to...he had to do it at that time or not at all.

And he asked his two candidates and both said go for it.

What’s so difficult to grasp here?

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 29, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was hired to a unnamed position...

the HC spot could still have been his.

Do you recall the chronology of events at the time?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could have been but unlikely. the guy hadnt even been an OC at that time.

He wanted a bright mind to bring up though the ranks. Your x chromesome is hyperactive.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your the same as Terry but the polar opposite.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact fremains...

he hired the wrong position first…again…and has gotten the same results…again.

What’s that definition of insanity again?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

13-3 and 9-7. this is the pivotal 3rd year. I want to see how it plays out.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By doing so

he limited wade’s ability to be that HC, leader of the team. Its taken two years for the general consensus of our players to be “this is wade’s team”

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet, if things happen a certain way, it could be Jason's Team

That kind of uncertainty is not good.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't really understand your point with that response

but i agree with you on this subject. By bringing in Garrett before the HC, regardless of if Wade/Norv were ok with it, Jerry established HIMSELF at the top of the food chain and not the head coach.

If we do struggle this year (and I hate to get this far in advance cause everything depends on the situation), I think Jerry has one of two options: If the defense fails us and the offense is good, fire wade and let garrett be head coach and bring in his own DC. If the offense struggles, fire both and bring in shanahan.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a wild thought...

somewhere in the Cowboys locker room, are there some players whipsering that if Wade falters, then Jerry will make Redball the HC?

And if they are…

does that undermine Wade’s ability to light a fire under the team and create urgency to improve and win?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're overanalyzing it

I would hope that our team is focused on this year, and not what happens if we don’t win.

If anything, the urgency due to the coaching situation would cause more urgency in our team I think.

by foyesboys on Aug 30, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The term 'lame duck' is in our lexicon for a reason

Wade is, in most people’s opinions, just that.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So if most people believe it then it must be true right?

Regardless, if Wade wins big this year, he will be back. He knows this, but more importantly, with the cuts that went down this offseason, the players (at least most of them) know that their asses are on the line as well. You think a guy like Ken Hamlin feels safe? Not after watching this team’s best receiver, its second best pass rusher last year, and the iconic Roy Williams (at least at one time) get cut. The term lame-duck only applies if the players tune him out knowing that he will be gone soon NO MATTER WHAT (and that their jobs are safe for the moment). However this is not the case. The players and the coaching staff all know that if this year doesn’t yield something successful that they are all at risk of being essentially fired (with the exception of a few key players). Therefore, it is clearly inaccurate to define Wade as a lame duck coach.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 30, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If most people believe it then it is generally accepted as truth

regardless of what the minority shouts about on their respective soap boxes.

I believe that if this team struggles early, the whispers will begin. Think about it, we’re not that far removed from what everyone and their sister was calling a fractured locker room.

And the cold, hard fact is, Wade’s contract is up at the end of the season.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fallacy you make is that the people who believe what you are selling have no influence or knowledge of the Cowboys locker room. So therefore, your assumption of truth based off a general consensus of uninvested people holds no weight. The only way you could go there is if you had inside knowledge of a split or there were quotes/reports coming out of camp that suggested as much. To this point though, neither of those situations has taken place. Therefore the whole “generally accepted truth” hold no weight whatsoever. Now, I would agree that if we get off to a slow start, then it might become a talked about issue. As I have outlined though, I believe those whispers would not be as severe as you believe since I think a lot of the team realizes their futures may very well tied in with Wade’s (i.e. Ken Hamlin). Only if the players were placed way above the coach on the totem pole would I really be that worried. And while Jerry might have managed the 1990’s Cowboys that way, I think he has learned considering who he got rid of this past offseason (see Owens, Williams, Ellis).

As for Wade’s contract, if he wins big this year (not necessarily Super Bowl) and wants to coach, I guarantee Jerry would make that move to keep him since it would validate him hiring him in the first place. Therefore, the term lame-duck I believe does not apply.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 31, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*holds

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 31, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is wrong

You need that level of inside information in order to give it a second thought. I don’t.

You’re seem to be saying that you would not listen to anything reported by anyone unless they are a player, coach, or owner because that is the only indisputable truth you will accept? Am I reading you right or am I missing it?

I don’t let the fact that I bleed blue get in the way of at least kicking the tires on something the media reports on.

Finally, let me ask you the same question I asked OCC;

Do you think Wade will be the coach of the Cowboys in 2010?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I absolutely disagree. For you to sit here and label Wade a “lame-duck” coach (which is a strong accusation regarding future decisions of the organization), you need a standard of proof better than “lots of people think so, therefore it must be.” You can sit here and speculate and that is fine, but it makes absolute no sense to really be concerned with it when everything out of camp points to improved communication by Wade and as a consequence, a stronger influence. If the players seemed to be waning under Wade’s message or there seemed to be a split in the coaching staff, I would accept your speculation as valid. However that is not the case thus far. In fact, the only people that are speculating alongside you about Wade being gone no matter what are the following types: the media (and by that I mean the DMN blogger types, which is weak journalism at best), the irrational Cowboys fans that can’t put a coherent argument together (you aren’t one of them, but a few on here come to mind), and the general fans of the NFL who simply dislike the Cowboys. Once again, feel free to speculate, but to sit up here and use the “people say it so it must be true” is an absolute ridiculous argument. If there was a quote or some indication that you were right coming out of the Cowboys camp, I would at least entertain the idea, but that is not the case right now. Until then, I choose not to speculate about something like that.

And yes, I expect success this season (must be my glasses, right?) so I expect Wade to be the HC in 2010 assuming he wants to continue coaching.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 31, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I suggested he might be, but didn't actually label him that...

but just for giggles, let me say that I don’t really need a standard of proof to formulate an opinion any more than you do.

What I have, however, in support of my theory (because that is what it is) that it COULD happen is this;

Switzer (94-97)
Gailey (98-99)
Campo (00-02)
Parcells (03-06)
Phillips (07-?)

Jerry does not have a Rooney family-esque record of retaining coahes. He didn’t renew Wade’s deal knowing full well that it would create speculation.

If you step back from the discussion just a bit, can we agree that what I have said above is true and correct?

Thanks for answering the Wade question, too.

And yes, it is your glasses. But fear not, I’m working on a post I think you will like.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would certainly agree that Jerry lately hasn’t had the best record of keeping coaches around. That is undeniable. However, it is also undeniable that Phillips has had more success than any of those coaches. If he gets a playoff win or two, I believe you will see him come back.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 31, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More success?

How so?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In two seasons, he has 22 wins. No other coach on that list can touch that other than Switzer (my bad on that brain fart). Say what you want about postseason wins, but unlike Parcells, Gailey, or Campo, he has actually had a team make the second round of the playoffs.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 31, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no, let's not get into that

They still haven’t won a post-season game.

Also, he went 13-3 with the remnants of a Parcells team and then saw it decline in year 2 as he further put his imprint on the team.

Wouldn’t you say he’s gone in the wrong direction? If not, would you at least say he’s done no more with the talent he has had than the others did (okay, not Campo) with theirs?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know success or failure sadly isn't the biggest factor!

Yes, Jerry would love another Superbowl, and yes, Jerry wants to win. As long as Wade can provide the the possibility of a playoff / Superbowl, Jerry will keep him! Why because Jerry wants to be the GM, Scout and have the last say so on the game day team, and no self respecting quality leader will put up with being hamstrung like that!
Parcels did it for a bucket of cash! Prostitute! But now he’s a GM really and thats what he wanted all along.

by bad knees on Aug 31, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this may have already been said.....

but it was nice to see Wade get upset with goober head Courtney Brown when he committed the stupid interference penalty. It was nice to see some emotion out of good ol’ Wade.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, he gets no credit for improving on the Bill Parcells version of the Cowboys but he gets all the blame for finishing with a record that is only one game worse than Parcell’s best season as a Cowboys coach? That hardly makes sense to me.

Look, I am not arguing that Phillips is the next Lombardi or anyone like that. And I would agree that if this team underachieves again, then he will (and should be) gone. As of now though, I believe that he should at least get some credit. I say this because I believe that injuries and a worn down O-line are what doomed us last year (not Wade). I honestly believe that if we had stayed healthy, that we make the playoffs and at least have a shot at winning that elusive playoff game. And in 2007, he took a relatively healthy Dallas team to the playoffs and a first round bye. Did we win a playoff game? No, but the team we lost to beat the undefeated Patriots. I am not trying to argue about everything, but it is undeniable that he did a pretty damn good job in 2007. I think he should get more credit then you are giving him.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 31, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you mean lately?

Jerry has never kept coaches around very long, sometimes with good reason, other times (cough cough Jimmy Johnson cough cough) without good reason

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Aug 31, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lately = last 15 years

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lame duck?

A lame duck is person whose successor has already been selected/elected. Unless you have an inside track into JJ’s mind, the best description would be that Wade is in the ‘hot seat’ or in a ‘sticky wicket’ as some English speakers are wont to say.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 30, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incorrect

It refers to one whose term of office will soon end.

Doesn’t mandate the successor being chosen.

Sorry OCC.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm....

technically you are correct with ‘term of office will end soon’.

My point was that applying the term ‘lame duck’ to Wade implies that a decision has already been taken to let him go after the season. This is not the case as far as I know.

Take Tom Coughlin. Prior to and especially during the 2007 season he was widely considered to be the coach most likely to be fired, or in your definition a ‘lame duck’. One Superbowl later and he is one of the NFL’s highest-paid coaches, with a four year $21 million contract.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 31, 2009 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

Just for grins, if I posted a poll that said, ‘Do you think Wade will be Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys in 2010’, would you click yes or no?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we see success this year so I click 'yes'

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 31, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you were to post a poll on Wade,

I’m sure it would be well thought out, and it would have more than just two options. If Wade doesn’t get a playoff win, he’s gone. If he gets to the Super Bowl, he stays. Anything in between depends on what JJ had for breakfast on any particular day.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 31, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, but can you answer my question as extemporaneously laid out as it was...

I know, I am asking the guy with the data to step way outside the box and prognosticate, but what the heck…

:-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because this is quickly becoming a neverending thread ...

My answer would be No. Holmgren will be here end January, but Wade will have his first playoff win.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 31, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer Shanahan

…but Holmgren makes sense too.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree at all

a lame duck is a coach of a losing team that you know at midseason won’t make the playoffs. That doesn’t remotely describe us. Wade has these guys’ respect, you can tell from everything they’ve said this offseason. The defense has definitely grown and improved in the last two years. Everyone from the team to the coaches to the management has stressed accountability for the last 6 months. We’ve seen malcontents be released, two coordinators doing a poor job fired, our qb has talked for the first time about how important it is to limit turnovers, not just passed it off as a part of being agressive.

by foyesboys on Aug 30, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

And I have no idea where you got that perspective from. But it’s wrong.

Wrong, wrong wrong.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldnt a lame duck be a coach that win or lose he is gone regardless..

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Holmgren, regardless of what was going to happen in 2008, was a lame duck before the seaon began.

The question is whether or not Wade is or not. By definition, he could be since his contract ends at EOY. But I was trying to get at whether or not BTB’ers thought he was a lame duck moreso because of how the team in the locker room might be looking at how Jerry did not renew Wade’s deal (among other things)…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Technically, there is an option year left

It’s Jerry’s option whether or not to excercise it.

But you know which button I’m pushing.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 31, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Yes, Rosy, we know.

:-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not too worried about Romo’s leadership. It’s wade that worries me most. I’ve never really been a big fan of Wade as a Head coach. Although, I really think that if the players execute and play well, then nobody will hasve a problem with Wade.

Scott

by Cowboysfan82 on Aug 29, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If the players execute,

Wade will have done his job.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

Your point was;

I LOVE ROMO

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you support his exit if they fail to execute?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this year? heck yea i do

Especially the defense. If the defense takes a step back (barring massive amounts of injuries of course), Wade should be fired.

I didn’t support it at the start of last year because they had a great 2007. I didn’t support it this offseason cause the defense made MAJOR strides towards the second half of last year. But if we struggle this upcoming year, I want Wade gone. We have a pretty talented team, there is no reason this defense should not be able to win its fair share of games for us.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you like the assistants, but not the head man

Interesting.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 29, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

never said that

they’re all solid, proven coaches. I like Wade as a DC and I’ve liked everything i’ve heard this offseason about him as the HC. But regardless, if things aren’t working, you’ve gotta be able to bite the bullett and switch things up. I fully support this coaching staff because I do not believe they’ve done a poor job, they’ve done a pretty good job these two years. I think a HC deserves 3 years to mold the team into his own.

by foyesboys on Aug 29, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same things are being said in San Diego about Norv...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Comparison Between Us and the Chargers

Is striking. Both teams are loaded with talent, both run an attacking 3-4 defense, both have excellent offenses with the tight end the prime receiver and first rate running backs. Both have third year head coaches who are on their third permanent head coaching jobs. Both have strong reputations as coordinators, but who also have been soundly criticized for their ability to control the team as head coach. Both are on hot seats. Both teams win totals declined significantly in their second year, with the offensive lines being the scapegoats.

One other peripherally-related comment. When people talk about the best quarterbacks in the league, they usually mention a long list of names as the third best behind Peyton and Brady. In my mind, Phillip Rivers is clearly the third best, and with Brady’s injury and age, and Manning’s age, he might be the best in the league in another couple of years.

by kindablue on Aug 30, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more...

They both ditched their DC’s mid-season because their defenses were not considered “aggressive enough”.

Spooky, right?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And another...

Both traded for a household name WR mid-season last year.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If You're Thinking of Chris Chambers

That was in 2007, not last year. But you’re right, the resemblance is downright eerie.

by kindablue on Aug 30, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad

Good catch (pun intended)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would take Brees over Manning now.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

way…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

…but that’s the only place he is better.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you have watched Manning, Have you watched Brees.

He is in just as much command of his offence as Manning is of his.
Brees WRs and RBs are no better than Mannings but watch the productions of both. Brees is younger and more mobile. He is just as hard a worker and just as smart. Watch him for 3 complete games and get back to me.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed...

but Brees is 5’11", needs passing lanes to throw in and tosses more INT’s when rattled than Manning does.

Manning is on the downslope of his career, but all other things being equal, I’d still take Manning for a number of reasons.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manning's postseason stripes are still shockingly sparse...

….For a guy who makes it look so easy during the regular season. I don’t care what anybody says.

I’d still take Manning over Brees for the reasons you listed though considering Brees may be diminutive but unlike Romo I’ve never noticed that he was particularly mobile.

by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, Manning had a nemesis

in much the same way Young and Favre did in the 90’s (wonder who that was?).

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was watching part of N.O. game on Sat.

and they were saying that Brees has such an incredible release time. He is pretty mobile and throw in his release time, you can see why he’s so good. I still find him fascinating because he grew up here in Austin. He has always been considered too short by all the so called “experts.” What’s so funny about it is, there’s not a whole lot of difference in a 5’11" guy and a 6’2" guy because neither can really see over the o-line.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point

I’ve asked the question before about Romo sitting behind an O-Line where the smallest guy is still two inches taller than him.

In contrast, Brady and Manning play behind several linemen who are shorter than they are.

Matt Ryan and Joe flacco can stand anywhere and see the field. Not so for Brees and Romo.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are the Cowboys fudging at all on Romo's height?

I always heard that the 6’2" Steve Young was really only 6’0."

At any rate, like you both pointed out I don’t guess there’s much difference between 5’11" and 6’2" when you get right down to it.

by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've wondered the same thing.......

When you see him in person, he sure doesn’t look 6’02" like they claim.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw him up close at a club...

he looked about 6’2"

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like a pear

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His RomoRadar must be on the fritz

He’ll undoubtedly use his backup systems and detect the derogatory comment shortly.

Wait for it…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha....

I’m waiting………can’t wait to see what happens

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but Young had a record 6 TD passes in a Super Bowl game.

And had 9 TD passes and no picks overall in that postseason.

Plus it would be one thing if the Patsies were the only team that ever confounded Manning in a playoff game. However, that’s not the case.

For example: during the ‘05 regular season, Manning had an easy time against the Steelers in a 26-7 route. What was so different by the time the playoffs came rolling around?Make no mistake about it; Manning’s final numbers for that Steelers game don’t tell the whole story. He only really put anything together after the idiot refs bailed him out after Polamalu’s overturned pick with five minutes left. You could tell Manning didn’t expect to be playing from behind and when the Steelers scored on both their opening drives he never looked comfortable.

by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point was that Young only won once and he is a HOF

Not unlike Manning who may end up with only one Bling.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A blind man could see Manning is a first-ballot Hall Of Famer.

I’m convinced he’ll still have that one great postseason run before he retires which is a good 5-6 years off. He just hasn’t had one yet. His career just seems somehow incomplete without that one defining postseason moment. You could say it occurred against the Pats in ‘06 but I can’t think of that game without seeing Reche great googily moogily eyes after he dropped some easy passes from Tom Brady that would’ve salted that game away.

by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bill Buckner of New England Football

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but Manning is getting older and was never the swiftest to begin with.

Brees has a better cast of characters to play with and a better line. He throws more picks but he is playing from behind more than Manning. Manning throws his share of picks when he is playing catchup. Brady is coming off of missing a year.
I think Patriots D is going to let them down this year.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They could score 50 a game, though...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't tell on Fri. night though......

was Brady/Moss that good or was the Skins defense that bad? DeAngelo Hall got totally schooled IMO.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their that good. Hall acually had good coverage but a great

throw beats great coverage.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was afraid of.....

Brady didn’t seem to have any hesitation in the pocket. From what little I saw, he seemed to have picked up right where he left off. BTW, I find it kinda interesting that the Patriots waived O’Connel today. Wonder what’s up with that?

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

O'Connell was struggling

Their #3 guy was outplaying him in every way.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that's exactly what they were saying

last year about Cassell and now he’s the starting QB and making his millions. I still find the whole Cassell deal unbelievable in that he went from not even playing in college to multi millionaire starting QB. I still feel the book is out on him though. I sure as heck wouldn’t have traded Cutler for him like Denver tried to do.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to explain but Brees just gives off this Steve Nash vibe to me.

Sure, he’ll have spectacular performances and light up the scoreboard even though he doesn’t really look the part of the big tall strong statuesque QB.
Obviously, the same could be said for Romo too.

Of course, if the Cardinals could get hot and get to the big one last year, it’s not as easy to write off an “all flash no bash” team as it once was. One thing I will go out on a limb is I really like the Saints in that division. The Falcons defense gives up as many big plays as the Saints and the Panthers are notorious underachievers the year after a great season.

by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1.......

From that game I saw on Sat., either N.O. is going to be really good or Oakland is really baaaaaadddddd. Which brings me up to my next question,since they pretty much made Oakland look horrible, what does that say about us, since Oakland played us much better?

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its Sean Payton!

Because of him, they will be formidable on offense (again).

The question in N.O. is their defense (again).

They could easily be playing GB for the NFC title, IMO.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They picked up Greg Williams as a DC

he is making them more aggressive and they are getting TOs in bunches so far. Their DBs look much better so far. Tracy Porter is healthy again after breaking his aem against the Vikes. They picked Darren Sharper and Jabari Greer in the offseason.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Admittedly, it's only pre-season......

but their defense looks a lot better this year. I caught part of the game against the Texans and they looked pretty good as well. They have loaded up on DB’s which was a very big weakness before IMO.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always liked Sharper

He’s smart and active.

I think teams can still run on New Orleans.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely. they are a bit weak up the middle.

they arent without their flaws I just wouldnt want to get in a shootout with them. I want to run early an often and keep Brees on the sideline.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are counting on Ellis this year...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can play but the other side is a guy named Clancey.

Not sold on him.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the Cowboys offensive started only played two series.

The most glaring difference is Crayton would probably be the 5th option on their depth chart. That’s how deep they are at receiver. Besides Colston, they have Henderson and Meachem who are the type of deep threats people only wish Miles Austin was.

by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meachem will play well this year...

He has all the tools.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brees trusts him now as well.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a question

If you had to rank the top 5 QB’s in the NFL purely from the standpoint of how they are viewed by their teaammates as the unquestioned leader of the team, who would be in your fab 5?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manning, Brady, Brees. Thats 1a,b,c. Ben Roeth.

I just dont enough on the rest to rank Romo higher or lower but Rivers, Warner,Hasselback,Aaron Rogers, Matt Ryan, probably all have the locker room support in that they believe these guys they can win with.
Eli and McNabb seem to have a few detractors scttered in their locker room.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What will it take for Romo to be considered THE guy on this team?

Personally, I think he has to take a more vocal approach and call out idiotic penalties and missed assignments.

That, and he has to stay out of the tabloids…

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I already think he is. i think some of those dumber passes last year bugs some guys but

I still think they believe in him. Your never out of the game with him.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there is still some T.O. love in that locker room

Don’t you?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I tend to agree with you like maybe.....

Crayton and Barber. Maybe even Roy Williams?

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some of the players at other positions too

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 1, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brees by far.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off subject......

but has anybody watched Cutler the last 2 games? He looks pretty awesome.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has an amazing arm...

A once in a generation arm, better than Favre’s.

Only Elway, in recent memory, compares.

I question his head, though.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looks all the more awesome....

…When you compare him to what Kyle “ambidextrous improvisor” Orton has looked like; a doo-doo popsicle.

by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny.......

I still can’t believe that Denver traded Cutler for Orton. Unbelievable.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw in 2 number 1s and a 3rd as well.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the NFC North just got a whole lot more interesting......

I’m not a big Cutler fan, but ya gotta admit, he’s pretty amazing to watch when he can make a throw across his body to the other side of the field.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With amazing velocity!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1..........

Did you hear what Rodney Harrison said last night? He more or less said that McDaniels really screwed up by getting rid of Cutler. What’s so goofy about Denver, was/is their problem’s wasn’t on the offensive side. It was the defense. From what little I saw last night, it doesn’t appear like they have improved a whole lot on that side of the ball.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn Blings

This thread is pushing 400 posts! Way to go.

by kindablue on Aug 30, 2009 7:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I give all the credit to Grizz and all the BTB’ers.

Let’s face it, we represent a fan base that, for the most part, isn’t afraid to discuss the good AND THE BAD about a team we’re all very passionate about. I realize I’m sometimes provocative, but rather than let it get personal, for the most part, this is the place where we can talk it out.

We’re not confined to the myopeia of a Bleeding Green Nation or a Hogs Heaven (even though we have our own posters who prefer a less balanced, everything-is-always-great perspective). It is that courage to get into a sometimes-spirited dialogue that makes us different. It makes us better.

BTB is a great forum and BTB’ers represent some of the best fans of any team, in any sport, anywhere in the world.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 30, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Grizz has created a good space for a variety of views to be aired about the Cowboys. There is still the tendency towards optimism bias, but I guess that’s to be expected since many people treat football as a surrogate religion.

You won’t find these kind of discussions, either in depth of knowledge or volume, anywhere else with any other team.

by kindablue on Aug 30, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flo worries me the most

Barring injuries, he’s the key to our season.

by ChrisRichey on Aug 31, 2009 1:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

I’m more worried about what happens if Ratliff goes down, especially with Doug Free looking better than I expected.

We have nothing at NT after Rat.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spears or Igor could man NT

And Hatcher or Bowen could fill in.

I’m more worried about how quickly Flo’s play is falling off, especially after getting his contract which he had already done in the past. Not to mention he’s pretty old now

by ChrisRichey on Sep 1, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish we could find out Spencers and more importantly Wares opinion of Free.

I would like to ask the coaches how he hold up against Ware. You can handle Ware(as much as anyone can) you can handle the rest.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How do you think Spencer is doing?

Is his pass rush improving enough given Ellis’ departure?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He had a sack against 49ers so he almost matched his total from last year.

i havent watched the 49er game yet so I havent zoomed in on him yet.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Awww

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yay!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was against a guy named Boone. dont know nothing about him.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Alex Boone

Big, lumbering rookie from Ohio State.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He pulled out a flask in the huddle

Is that him?

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 31, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Diabetic or alcoholic?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Narcoleptic

the flack was full of 5 hour energy.

by bad knees on Aug 31, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're saying he fell asleep and that's why Spencer got the sack?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 31, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I watched that play again

It wasn’t against Boone. Boone blocked down and the RB tried to pick up Spencer, who turned inside and was largely unblocked.

Credit Igor with some inside push on that play as well.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 1, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My God what a thread!

what is the record for a non game day thread?

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 31, 2009 11:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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