Our Scrubs Are Worse Than Yours: The 49ers Out-Reserve the Cowboys 20-13
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 10:06 PM CDT
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The Cowboys played another slowball game tonight, partly by design. The offense missed starting WR Roy Williams and backup Sam Hurd. The Cowboys nonetheless showed the ability to move the ball in methodical fashion, dividing 18 first half carries between Marion Barber (13 carries) and Felix Jones (five more) en route to a 10-3 halftime lead.
Dallas could have had more points but took three points off the scoreboard with a penalty. The first team offense dominated time of possession and nearly doubled the 49ers yardage output. Some fine tuning remains, but the fundaments are promising. The top line offered superb protection to Tony Romo, who often had several seconds to scan the field for targets. The backup wideouts performed adequately. Miles Austin made a couple of impressive catches. Kevin Ogletree, the oncoming rookie from Virginia, worked easily with the starters, running crisp routes and beating 49ers starter Nate Clements.
The 49ers reserves outplayed their Cowboys counterparts, as third stringer Nate Davis led a late, 91-yard TD drive to give San Francisco a 20-13 victory, the winning score coming with 33 seconds left. Here are some snap notes from the contest.
Play of the Game
Every NFL team has a stock number of runs in its arsenal. Dives, off tackles, counters, sweeps,etc. They are run out of every offensive package. Good teams are good at disgusing their base runs and therefore making the ordinary look novel. When they can do this to a defense, the results can exceed expectations.
Tonight the Cowboys ran a 2nd quarter wrinkle on power right, a counter play that is a staple of their running game. The Cowboys had run power run and left a few times early in the game, but in the 2nd quarter Jason Garrett sprang it on the 'Niners D from a two tight end set.
On 1st and 10 from the San Fran 30, Dallas deployed in a one-back, two TE set, with Martellus Bennett in the traditional TE spot outside RT Marc Colombo, with Jason Witten on a wing outside Bennett. Before the snap, Witten flexed into the backfield and lined up as an offset-I fullback behind and between LT Flozell Adams and LG Kyle Kosier. At the snap, both Kosier and Witten pulled right and led Marion Barber around right end.
This is a twist on the classic Green Bay Packers sweep from the '60s. In those days, guards Fuzzy Thurston and Jerry Kramer would pull to the strong side, where the linemen and tight end would block down on the linemen on that side. One would hook the outside linebacker while the other would kick out the inside backer. You can almost hear Vince Lombardi exclaiming, "you get a seal here and a seal here and you run the play in-the-alley!"
Dallas ran it the way Lombardi drew it up. C Andre Gurode sealed off WILB Patrick Willis; RG Leonard Davis took out the nose tackle, and RT Colombo and TE Bennett double teamed the strong side DE. Kosier slammed the crashing OLB inside. Witten locked on to SILB Takeo Spikes and rode him towards the sideline. The textbook blocking slashed a huge seam in the 'Niners front and Marion Barber romped fourteen yards upfield.
Somewhere, the old Rock of Granite was smiling.
Notes
-- Dallas first team offense has been very effective at ball control the last two weeks. The Cowboys amassed 41 minutes of possession time against Tennessee and had over nineteen minutes in the first half tonight. Is this a teaser for the season?
I doubt it. Jason Garrett likes to throw the ball down the field. He's kept much, in fact all of his deep game under wraps. That's typical. Three years ago, Bill Parcells didn't install any of his blitz packages until the team had broken camp. It's still a vanilla world. I'll take Dallas' ability to move consistently while playing simply as a positive.
-- Kevin Ogletree take a bow. He worked as the split end when Dallas went three wide and caught two quick passes for 36 yards. He was well open on a third but Tony Romo overthrew him.
-- Last year, when Dallas played the 49ers, the Receiver Who Cannot be Named lit up CB Nate Clements, who tried covering him without safety help. Tonight, Patrick Crayton and Kevin Ogletree had 50 yards on him in just over 15 minutes of play and just missed a couple more. Is Clements losing some of his mojo or is Ogletree a find on par with that 81 guy? The answer is probably somewhere in the middle.
-- David Buehler showed the value of a long leg tonight. When kicks are fielded two to three yards behind the goal-line, good coverage holds them inside the 2. The "bad" coverage play saw the ball returned to the 30. This was the average starting spot last year.
-- What's a top rusher worth? Early in the 1st Demarcus Ware blitzed off the weakside. The 49ers kept a back in to assist the left tackle with Ware. Keith Brooking, who had the back in coverage, sprinted untouched on a delayed blitz and got a hard shot on the quarterback.
-- Good recognition. The Niners ran a couple of plays from their "wildcat" package at the 1st Dallas defense and did nothing. Marcus Spears crashed down the LOS on one play and dropped Frank Gore for no gain. It was good to see that none of the trickery fooled the front seven.
-- Dallas should be prepared for the screen pass. The 49ers ran them about ten times tonight.
Needs Work
-- Felix Jones missed a block and let a blitzer get into Tony Romo's face. Romo tried loading up on a deep throw to an open Ogletree, who got behind Clements on a go route. Romo could not follow through and his duck was picked off by Dre Bly.
-- The second and third team DL need work. I don't see anybody after the top six of Ratliff, Spears, Olshansky, Hatcher, Bowen and Siavii who stood out. The 49ers backups pushed the third teamers around.
-- We may have watched footbal natural selection at work tonight. NIck Folk ended Dallas opening drive with a 49 yard field goal. A holding penalty on Cory Proctor negated the score. Dallas signed veteran Duke Preston to challenge Proctor this week. This penalty doesn't help Proctor's cause.
-- Isaiah Stanback may be suffering a similar fate. He played hard on the coverage teams and made a decent return of a kickoff, but fumbled after catching an eight-yard out in the 4th. How much sand remains in his hourglass?
-- That goes triple for Courtney Brown, who kept a late 49ers drive alive when he committed an interference penalty directly in front of Wade Phillips, who make his displeasure unknown in a loud and emphatic fashion.
Injury Roster
-- LB Jason Williams limped off the field early in the 4th quarter with an ankle injury. X-ray results unknown.
-- Backup S/CB Alan Ball was smacked in the head by a teammate after making a tackle on a kickoff. His neck was examined by the team doctor and Ball walked off unassisted after lying on the turf for a couple of minutes. He's presently described as having a "neck strain." More as I hear it.
-- Rookie S Michael Hamlin had his wrist x-rayed. Results are unknown.
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by silverblue5 on Aug 29, 2009 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2nd opinions are always better?
Sounds like I missed a good game.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There wasn't really any trickery out of the Wildcat
The Niners just ran draws out of it. I think they were mostly just practicing lining up in the formation and the basic blocking scheme.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The NFL is such a copy cat league it makes me sick.
Nobody would even be thinking about running the Wildcat if Miami hadn’t run it successfully last year. NFL coaches are grossly overstated in their brilliance. Would it kill you to try something new on your own?
by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given the 49ers QB situation and their offense in general, what would you do?
Also note: It’s too late to draft Bennett, some team in Texas beat you to it.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a personal theory that our success this year with the 2 tight-end sets will spawn copy-cats
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah for sure.
I can already see next April teams planning their draft around 2 tight-end sets.
by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the ones in Tennessee in 99, and 2000 or
the ones in Kansas City in the 90’s? We are already the copycat.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 30, 2009 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget Joe Gibbs
He installed the two tight end set as the base Washington formation back in the mid-1980’s, to help protect against Lawrence Taylor. San Diego also ran a two-tight end set during their Super Bowl season of 1994. However, neither of those teams had super-athletic, excellent receiving tight ends like we do, to give defensive coordinators fits.
by kindablue on Aug 30, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
But I think DalaiLuke’s comment is speculating that we’re going to start another 2TE trend. Things go around and come around, there’s nothing new under the sun.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want no stinkin' Skins seconds...
While you are probably right, 24, I’d never admit to it… This is a NEW 2TE strategy with credit to Wade and Garrett and the super-athletic Bennett / Witten combo nobody can duplicate without first working the draft.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe anyone will have ever had two TEs this talented
this is the best pair of TEs ever, I suspect
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson and Chmura
Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura, both pro bowlers, lined up together for the Packers in the mid-1990’s
by Cowboy Louie on Aug 30, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither of which
were half as good as Witten
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 30, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's way overstating it
Keith Jackson was a six-time pro bowl player and a five time all-pro.
Mark Chmura was a three-time pro bowler and a two-time All-Pro. His career was cut way short by a bogus rape allegation.
I love Witten, and he is probably better than Jackson and Chmura, but to say neither Jackson or Chmura were half as good as Witten is utter nonsense. As for Bennett, right now he can’t hold a candle to either Jackson or Chmura. That may change in a few years.
by Cowboy Louie on Aug 31, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it isn't
Witten is a future HOF TE, Jackson nor Chmura will never even sniff the HOF.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Witten wont sniff the HOF either. It just isnt TE friendly.
I can only think of 3. Ditka, Mackey, and Winslow.
With Gonzales and Sharpe on tap, it will only push Witten so far away he would run out of eligibility.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
when Witten retires, he be considered the greatest TE in the history of the game, barring any unforseen career threatening injury of course.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry, when you played football did you guys wear helmets?
Thats crazy talk. What do you think of CHris Cooley? Is he even HOF material. NO! Now go and campare Wittens and Cooleys numbers the last 4 years(I did). That race is way tighter than you think. It doesnt matter what you think the rest of the football world thinks no such thing.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it isn't crazy
there’s a lot more to being a HOF player than stats. If you can’t tell that a guy like Witten has HOF written all over him, then I feel bad for you.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry, do you even admit that there are great players.....
on other teams? I mean, by your comments, Romo,Witten, and Felix Jones are the best NFL players at their positions that have ever played the game. I guess when Miles Austin makes a good catch he’ll be the best wide receiver in the NFL as well.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that
Witten and Ware are the only Cowboys who are the best at their positions.
You really do love putting words in my mouth that aren’t true.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh, Terry.....
you might wanna re-read your comments above. You said “Witten is a future HOF TE.” You also said that "when Witten retires, " he will be considered the greatest TE to have ever played the game." So my question to you again, is how is that putting words in your mouth? You are making comments that are over the top that can’t be substantiated yet. You even said a while back that Felix Jones was better than Chris Johnson which can’t be backed up because Felix Jones didn’t have a full season of play to compare to Johnson. Again, Terry, you nevered answered my question "Do you even admit that there are great players on other teams?
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cowboys truly are Terry's religion.
by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1......
but when you call him out, he turns it around doesn’t he? He loves to say that “I put words in his mouth”. Quite funny!
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats because you do texstar
why can’t you admit that?
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would admit it if it were true.....
but I’m not guilty of “putting words in your mouth”.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Felix and Romo
are the best at their positions, thats putting words in my mouth.
Of course there are great players on other teams, it’s ridiculous to think otherwise.
BTW, Jones is better than Johnson, that will be proven this season.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Potential HOFer, yes. Greatest of all time, Hell no!
HOF isnt TE friendly and all of the other respect him but I dont anyone outside of a Cowboy fan that thinks he is better than Gonzales.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My brain is weeks ahead of my typing,
Fans and players around the league have great respect for Witten but outside of Cowboy fans, No one thinks he is better than Gonzales.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah.....
Believe me, I love Witten (in fact, my son has his jersey) but Antonio Gates is pure darn good as well.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
I think he might very well be. Gonzales has the pass catching edge, but there’s a big gap in their blocking ability. Gonzales is a really big WR. Witten is a true jack-of-all-trades and master of all of them.
Not saying he’s the best TE in football, because Gates and others have done really well, but it’s not that open and shut.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Witten is a future HOF TE
If he stays healthy. The guy is one of the best blocking TE’s in the game, and he is still better known for his catch and run ability.
I don’t think it’s only Dallas fans that feel he’s the best, either.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 31, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
Mosley just said in his column today that Witten is the best TE in the game today and it’s not even close.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So that makes it right?
I thought you didn’t like Mosley because he’s anti-Cowboy.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mosley is right
you must be mixing me up with another BTBer.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well Moesly said it then fire up the kiln
and start working on his bust. Moesley is a genius.
redskin, Giant, and eagle fans have shown great respect for Witten. like us they know a good football player when they see one. Go ask them those same 2 questions and see what you get.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops.....I meant Squid.....
See I was laughing so hard, that I got mixed up on my names.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were both good...
but neither were like Witten and Bennett on a vertical level, certainly Chmura.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 30, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a solid offensive team
They were the Cowboys whipping boys during our run, but then they won a pair with those two?
We’ve done the whipping boy part … and next? I think Jackson and Chmura were good players, but I still think this pair offers a unique challenge for defenses. Witten – the proven pro-bowler – may not even be the best of the two!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll call you on that one
I don’t think Witten is ready to give up the throne just yet. Bennett is sure talented but I’ll wait to see a little more before I make that kind of statement.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"May" as in "might" ... as in possibly...
I stand by my hardly bold statement :)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 31, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The parallels don't end with the formidable tight end tandem.
Sterling Sharpe also led the NFL in TD catches over a 3 or 4-year span (only he was an ever bigger part of Green Bay’s offense than T.O. was here) before his career ended prematurely.
You want to know what’s most interesting about the Packers team that finally did win it all? Their leading receiver (Antonio Freeman) only had 56 catches for 933 yards.
by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but i seem to remember alot of big catches.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't just refering to San Fran,
but the league in general is trying to use this “new” formation. Its just like with running qbs, nobody will use ’em till somebody plays well.
by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
What’s wrong with copying successful people/teams? Isn’t that what most anyone does? Why would that make you sick?
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 30, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't speak for anyone else
but copying others has always annoyed me too.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't speak for anyone else
but copying others has always annoyed me too. ;-)
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
classic
OBSERVATION - EMOTION = COMMON SENSE
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Aug 30, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stanback, Stand back. Step...away...from the football.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Aug 30, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like winning
evolution dictates you must emulate success to win/survive having a career. It’s really stupid to buck this trend, to go out on a lark trying something new. When you fail and you always do the 1st time, you will be fired quickly. You must stick to conventional football. Experience teaches us what works
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like all the best writers
Genius’ steal, mediocre people plagurize. If something works, rip it off whole sale. Works in music too. This is the birth of style.
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stanback and Brown...
CUT!!!
~Texas Massacre '09~
by TheHeat on Aug 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From reading the rest of the blog,
that is a statement not a prediction?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take it
that Proctor was the Black Hole of suckitude he always is?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
amazing how consistent he is...
… consistently bad, that is.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Aug 29, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did somebody put a curse on our 09 draft picks or what?
first robert brewster (out for season with a torn pectoral)
then brandon willians (out for season with torn acl)
now extending a prayer vigil for jason williams NOT to have a serious leg injury.
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Aug 29, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that we won't be such a ball control team during the season ...
… but it sure will be nice to run off an 8 minute drive in the 3rd or 4th quarter to put a game away.
by northtexan95 on Aug 29, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why not.
I think Garret has the patience and the intelligence to not jack with what ain’t broke.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because this is preseason
the defenses they’re facing are as vanilla as the offense they’re running. These games bear no relation to real ones.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vanilla or not,
the ability to run the ball depends on blocking, and the offenses ability to get the defense off the line of scrimage. If we are running the ball well in Pre Season, it stands to reason we will run the ball well in regular season.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed and I think it's a good sign
but this team has big weapons when healthy. If they can score two-play TD drives why not get them?
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I can think
of is to protect the defense. If the defense can hold opponents to 10 pts per game I say bombs away.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other problem with ball control
Is that for all the gaudy stats with T.O.P. and everything we put up, we cannot seem to get a big lead on anyone. Romo seems to have at least partially fixed his blunder-headedness (even with the pick tonight, which when all is said and done, I’ll take 1 pick for every 3 games) but the rest of the offense has not. Penalties remain the bane of our existence. Penalties kill drives almost as efficiently as turnovers do. Until we fix the penalty problem, we will not be able to be a ball control offense. Also, our defense is not quite up to the task yet to compliment a ball control offense. They are still fairly inconsistent and are definitely not dominant.
However, I will say one thing. The ball control HAS been useful this preseason, because once we get our full offensive scheme going (more quick strikes and things), we’ll be able to use this ball control experience late in games to run out the clock. That is very crucial to not letting games slip away as we have many times in recent years.
by Key19 on Aug 29, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, this team has been the 55 minute men since about '05
you want the offense with the ball bleeding clock those last few minutes.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
learning to be patient when the the slow methodical approach is all the opposing defense will allow you. I think they were not as comfortable in years past working it down the field and now they are in the process of becoming a team that can do either.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patience.
That seems to be a theme this preseason. I’m glad to see it. But it requires perfect execution—no penalties, no missed assignments, no fumbles/dropped balls etc.
Things we haven’t necessarily been all the great at recently. So in addition to keeping our offensive plans under wrap, it’s forcing our players to work hard on what they have problems with the most. And that’s a lot of what preseason is for.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some good points here...
It will be interesting to see how much they stick with the “slow-methodical” style once the season gets going. I like the idea that we’re good at both, and you don’t know which to gameplan against.
Penalties hurt a team incapable of getting yards in chunks. With Romo, that has rarely been an issue.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan of going slow for the sake of gowing slow.
If you’re talking about taking what the defense gives, that’s fine. But this is a dynamic offensive team with a lot of players with big play potential. Let them play I say. There is nothing wrong with moving in big chunks down the field. I don’t remember New England clamoring for slowing the game down when they had their record setting year.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Garrett is not going to abandon his philosopy,
but I’m happy to see the Cowboys working on this “slow-down” offense in preseason to address their execution issues, and use it when the situation demands it during the regular season.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think of it as "slow"
more like effective. I don’t care if they are running the ball with a fullback every time if it is effective.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 30, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They still run a play every 25 seconds. Its just that attack different areas of the field more consistently.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
And while they aren’t picking up 30 yards of field everytime, that will come in sparks and instances.
The 90’s dynasty was built on that. Small chunks and then from time to time a big one.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 30, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true.... slow is great in the preseason
Remember, when you get limited reps during a pre-season game, you want to go slow and use your weapons.
Makes no sense to tell the 1st string O they get two series (or a half), and throw a bomb TD on your first play from scrimmage.
Just a thought.
by Road Warrior on Aug 30, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely
A great team can do both, which reduces the ability of the opponent’s defense to dictate the game.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo has talked about it a couple of times -
this year taking what the defense is giving. I think we’ve seen some of it already. And if they are confident they can do it, they won’t feel compelled to go for broke.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hasn't this been one of the rips on Romo?
That he always wanted to look down-field? Which is what has gotten him in trouble? If Romo can reign in his big-play inclination (just a bit) he will only be MORE effective… and will frustrate defenses even further.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't studied
which routes have gotten the most picks but in my mind it’s relatively distributed. I think having more players looking for the ball on offense will be the most important feature since the majoroty of Romo’s picks came on throws to TO. Some say it’s because they forced it him, but maybe it’s because teams set the defense to take advantage of Dallas’ reliance on Owens.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
We can’t really read into these preseason games. The objective is not to win necessarily. If your team cannot execute on a fundamental level, then you will not have any control of your strategy. You will be plagued with bad plays to the point of frustration.
These guys have to execute even the most basic of plays.
The preseason is a way for the coordinators to experiment with the things they are responsible for. This is the staff’s opportunity to “practice” as well. Anything from formations by down and distance, to personnel. pre-season is prolly the most boring football to watch.
by rotovibe on Aug 30, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a not-so-far-fetched analogy to try on...
I played in a pool tournament the other night. And while many guys made some beautiful shots, it was the most consistent players – not the flashiest ones – that were still standing in the end. The same is true for any sport … there are many guys that can do something great every once in a while (think Stanback), but far fewer that can be very very good on a consistent basis.
The beauty of this offense in this preseason is that we were able to move the ball on three teams that pride themselves on their defense. Nothing flashy, but consistently moving the chains. The usual refrain from pre-season is that the defenses are supposed to ahead of the offenses. What’s not to like?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup...like the other side of a famous analogy illustrates...
“I’d rather be lucky than good”
I’d rather be good – because it’s more consistent.
We lined up offense to defense. No trick plays or creative off sets or blitzing. We lined up and played smash-mouth and we kept the ball and drove down the field. That is always a good thing.
by rotovibe on Aug 31, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what I am seeing
is a team that will wear you down, and then knock you out. That is my impression anyway. Kind of like Body blow, body blow, body blow, punch to the head.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more. I want to see them get this under control.
Penalties remain the bane of our existence. Penalties kill drives almost as efficiently as turnovers do.
However, didn’t we have only two penalties until right before the end of the 1st half?
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great thread
Agree with most of the comments here. Would like to see Boyz chew up the clock with long drives and solid defense, but I remain skeptical about our run blocking. Seems last year we wanted to run the ball more but ended up in 3rd and 5. On defense, we always did a good job with 1st and 2nd down but would let opponents convert due to our poor safeties. I’m hoping the combination of Sensabaugh and Kozier coming back fixes both. Would love to see Felix get the carry in situations described in the article where there is a big hole. Need some speed to take advantage of those situations.
by Silverblue on Aug 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
which is why they added the “other run” – short passing, screens, dump-offs. Those require the type of blocking this line seems to be good at – pulling and blocking in space.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Flozell didn't have a false start
Superbowl, or BUST.
by .FRoST.USAF on Aug 29, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Great to see… but what’s the over/under on how many he gets this year?
I’m going with 13.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take the over
TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long
by Mikhaili on Aug 29, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ill take the lesser
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 30, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice write up Rafeal
And like a long term professional that you are, you cranked out a thoughtful article within ten minutes of the game end. Very impressive.
by Trey, on Aug 29, 2009 10:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Descriptive and accurate.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Aug 30, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ten minutes? (gasps)
I hit publish the second the final gun went off.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How much did you LOVE writing up that Lombardi sweep?
Rock of Granite… classic stuff.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they've run that play before
in ‘07. I don’t recall seeing it last year, probably because of the injuries, but they can run some old
USC type stuff (the toss right behind Colombo and a pulling Witten) and this play this year and Felix could make both of them nasty, nasty plays.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barber for 14 yards
… Felix to the HOUSE!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did see that delay they ran for Felix at the beginning of the long drive
simple handoff and had the SS not made an ankle tackle he was gone for 94 yards.
He MUST stay healthy.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On that play Felix reminded me a little of Tony Dorsett.
That little outside move and a few more inches past the safety and to the house.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Aug 30, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he looks like Dorsett to me as well
only bigger, stronger and faster
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 30, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How have you determined that Felix is...
stronger than Dorsett? Just out of curiousity.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 30, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, those comparisons are at best nostalgic
by dcfanz on Aug 30, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would I take Felix over Dorsett?
No way in hell…
… now, ask me in a couple of years and I might sing a different tune.
For now, I like having guys like Ogletree and Felix even in the same conversation with the likes of Pearson and Dorsett… bodes well for our future!!!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to put Felix Jones ahead of Dorsett.....
is ludicrous. He may turn out to be, but how can you compare him at this point? Here’s Dorsett’s statistics-they pretty much speak for themselves. http://football.about.com/cs/legends/p/tonydorsett.htm
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Felix was better than Dorsett
I said he reminded me of Dorsett, only a bigger, stronger, faster version.
Nobody is saying he’s a HOFer yet.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Felix is stronger. Dorsett was 180 soaking wet.
Felix is 212 and the weight/offseason training of today was unheard of back then. I wont even go into the nutrition of today.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I'm not arguing that......
but for Terry to imply that Felix is better than Dorsett at this point of his career (4 or 5 games) is outlandish. Heck, with all the nutritional benefits, weight training etc. who knows what would have happened with Dorsett.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
HOFer against a guy thats played 5 games is out there.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never implied Felix is better
Never even came close to doing that. All I said was that he reminded me of Dorsett, only he was a bigger and stronger version.
That to most people is not implying anything.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that I'm the only one that thinks this....
According to your quotes above “Felix is bigger, stronger, and faster” than Dorsett. How is that not implying that he will be better? To take it quite literally those are the 3 essential qualities of a great running back.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because bigger, faster, stronger
doesn’t equal better, I thought that was a common notion, but apparently with you, it isn’t.
Those might be qualities that make up a great RB, but that doesn’t mean a rb who has that qualities will be great.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're funny Terry......
I love how you contradict yourself and turn it around towards me as being the one that can’t seem to grasp “common notions.”
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never once contridicted myself
go back and read what I said and you’ll see that.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont know about faster, that was Dorsetts game.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt it's close
but Felix looks to be a tad more explosive to me.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to hard to compare different eras. I would give Dorsett more top end speed.
To make the HOF as a 180 RB your game was speed.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're both blazers
but if I’m betting who was the fastest, I’d put my money on the Cat.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, let's see Felix for a full season before we annoint him.....
here’s some old Dorsett highlights btw. I kinda forgot about his extreme cut-back ability. It’s a different era but you gotta admit that Dorsett sure had some moves.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsujYQKMdos
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
saying he's faster isn't annointing him
faster doesn’t equal better you know. And I don’t need to see highlights of Dorsett, I saw him play in person at Pitt for four years and then with the Cowboys, I know how great he was.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is exactly what i was saying about Felix BEFORE we drafted him...
Wondering when Terry(and the rest of the pre-draft nay sayers) are going to admit that Felix Jones is better than Rashard Mendenhall, and was the “right” selection, and clear cut better choice for this Dallas Cowboys team :-)
by My_2_Cents on Sep 1, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit I overvalued Mendenhall
although I always thought Felix was a stud, just didn’t think he was as good as Mendenhall.
Obviously I was wrong.
That being said, he could still turn out to be a stud for the Steelers, I think the jury is still out on him.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 2, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no question he is the key to our offense
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 30, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blown opportunities
Stanback
Courtney Brown
Procter (although his fate was likely already sealed)
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 29, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
man...
Nothing like stocking up on beer and rum only to get 10 minutes of good streaming and then get the shaft for the remainder of the game. When is the NFLN replay? Is it even worth watching?
by sublimezg on Aug 29, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, atleast you didn't have to sit through the Chiefs game.
My son says he’s a fan, but I think it is just to tweak me.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's worth watching
I thought. Then again all Cowboys games are worth it to me.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 29, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to say either non today or 3pm. I have mine set as I am at work again.
Working in health care has a few perks but working every other weekend isnt one of them.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason I have to not want to cut Stanback is potential
at this point even that is gone. Let another team pick him up for all I care.. Ogletree is legit and would gladly dump Stanback on his arse if it were up to me. I swear to god if this team keeps Stanback over Ogletree I’m personally gonna bitch slap Jerry.
by sublimezg on Aug 29, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm kinda with you there.
I like Stanback, but he has not shown any promise to date, that would make me want him.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been the biggest supporter of Stanback this whole time, but even I must admit he's had a poor/fair showing thus far in preseason games..
I do NOT blame that fumble on him though, as I don’t believe he even had possession, and it was a great defensive play if anything…He has blocked well, and I still prefer his return/special teams abilities over any rookie…but if he’s cut, I won’t be surprised or upset…I long wanted Ogletree to do well anyways, and knew he was better that Manuel Johnson, and he hasn’t hurt himself…Final pre-season game will determine 5th WR. I do not think Stanback has been given enough reps to prove himself…
by My_2_Cents on Sep 1, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
Olgetree is set. Where Stanback used to go in as the third guy with the starters, Olgetree was there… However, if we do cut him and not Stanback.. then that would make me about as pissed off as a fan can get.
by Static on Aug 29, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's only one reason
and that’s if they decide to keep isaiah “potential” stanback.. I’ll start a damn riot!
by sublimezg on Aug 29, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember...half you guys were crying like bitches when Danny Amendola were cut...so let's not get our panties all bunched up..
PLUS…..I long touted QB- Nate Davis prior to our drafting of McGee…..Nate Davis OWNED our back-ups and looked exactly like “Romo” which I was saying all along…One day we’re going to look back and be pissed we took the inferior QB in this draft…Nate Davis will be eventually starting in San Fran for the next 10 years there…
by My_2_Cents on Sep 1, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't thing he looked exactly like Romo
He looked good for a rookie, but he’s no Romo.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 2, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should cut him
It’s actually the best chance he has to make a career. His odds are more then long with Dallas. Even if he gets it together in a year or two and makes a carrer out of it somewhere else it does not mean he would have done it as a Cowboy.
by Trey, on Aug 29, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that he has a 2nd gear
I was really pulling for him, but I think he has been given several chances. It is time for him to explore other options
by 082288 on Aug 29, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Stanback you're cut
The Cowboys can’t use you. You might play in the NFL but it won’t be with the Cowboys.
Go ’Tree!!!
by JoeWho on Aug 30, 2009 6:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Ogletree is the second coming of Drew Pearson. Just watch. Stanback is already Cowboys history.
Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!
by CowboyMan on Aug 30, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ogletree looked like a veteran
Stanback, I’m denouncing after tonight. I am through defending his presence because of potential.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 29, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I defended keeping him in the past, but all his potential isn’t enough to beat out the other guys we have…
The DalaiLuke curse continues … Stanbacks gone from:
CAT to CUT
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see a 4th and Long reality show
in your future, DalaiLuke – “Curse of the Cat”. We need to work out the details, but CAT to CUT has the makings of “your fired” for football fans everywhere.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a 6-pack I'll hire you as my agent
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have Terry draw up the papers...
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a lawyer? if so, we'll probably need to cough up some serious dough!
… or maybe he’ll buckle and accept a Romo bobble-head?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry has made so many bets
he’ll probably give me a good rate just to finance them.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put
The next test is regular season.
I am swilling the KO kool aid but we need to see this with when it’s for real
then a Giant/Eagle game but so far this guy has shown he is for real
by Simon Potter on Aug 30, 2009 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't see the game
How did Free and McQ look? Did Duke play? Any other comments about the 2nd OL group?
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 29, 2009 10:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No Duke yet
I thought Free looked great. McQ I didn’t notice, so I guess that’s good.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 29, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They said Duke wouldn't play in this game anyways..
But I didn’t notice Free doing bad or really even stand out to me.. so thats usually a good sign, but I saw a couple plays where McQ got beat. With the choppy quality of the game on my screen I couldn’t fully tell though.
by Static on Aug 29, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duke did not play.
Without focusing on them in particular, the backup OT’s seem to hold up pretty well. They played them with the starting interior lineman for a drive.
by Trey, on Aug 29, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is good to hear.
I can breathe a little easier we won’t have a “Justice” game.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Aug 29, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In retrospect
If we’re going to commit time to a WR project, I think I would have prefered Todd Lowbar. At least with him we actually got glimpses of this “potential” thing we hear so much about.. sigh… . . ..
by sublimezg on Aug 29, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
?
Ogletree is miles ahead of Todd Lober.
The guy went to Virginia. He played for Al Groh,who was on Parcells’ staff for years. Why do you think people like Howie Long send their sons there? Because he runs an NFL finishing school. That’s a place where the people won’t run you out on a rail if you “only” win 8 or 9 games. His guys have NFL fundamentals.
And how do you think Dallas found out about him and John Phillips? Because John Garrett was on that staff and helped recruit them.
He could be a REAL find, because he has the natural skills a lot of street free agents don’t. He beat Nate Clements regularly tonight. and that has is a respected NFL corner.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woah now
I was saying project guys.. I love Ogletreee. I was saying if it came to keeping Stanback or Lowber from last season to keep riding and teaching that I would prefer Lowber. Ogletree isn’t a project, he’s already fundamentally sound. Now it’s all about perfecting his craft.
by sublimezg on Aug 29, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they can't keep Stanback any more unless he's on the final roster
I think you can only put a guy on the practice squad two years. Stanback hasn’t been there, but his team in Dallas is done unless he’s on the final 53.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn man
am i not being clear here?
by sublimezg on Aug 29, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I see your point
Just pointing out that keeping Stanback longer is no longer an option.
He either has the game of his career in Minnesota or he’s in another uniform next month.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Stanback has 4 TD's against Minn people would still be upset if they kept him over Ogletree...
Stanback is done no matter what happens. I think the decision has already been made to cut Stanback. He is just going to be a body out there for the final preseason game.
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 30, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
Did Ogletree play ahead of him last night?
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has a nice ring to it...
He beat Nate Clements regularly tonight.
Ogletree is looking more and more like the real deal.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Ogletree caught passes from like 12 different qb’s in college…it was a revolving door at Virginia
His college stats don’t tell the story on this kids talent..John Garret deserves the credit for this signing
by Simon Potter on Aug 30, 2009 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only this... but that the Cowboys KNEW they had him WITHOUT wasting a draft pick!!!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If someone is that good you dont give someone a chance by letting him get drafted elsewhere.
i like the kid but it seems we are getting ahead of ourselves.
Not a personal shot at you DaliaLuke. More of a blog observation. i kind of like the BP school of thought that if you really like a kid and think he has potential you ride him a little harder and push him a little farther. He doesnt need much praise but more foots to the ass.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Garrett is on record as saying
the Cowboys took TE Phillips where he thought they should have taken him, and Ogletree where he thought they should have got him, too.
Not dissing Ogletree here, I love his play.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though Garrett knew him
I think it’s safe to say he has surprised people. BTW, Garrett’s comments don’t mean he didn’t think Ogletree was worth a draft pick. I think he just knew he was under the radar and probably wouldn’t be picked by someone else.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my meaning, too.
They knew they could pick him up without using a draft pick.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's probably a bit of both...
I think if they knew someone might take a shot at Ogletree, they may have been more inclined to go after him with a late pick…
But if they were so sure he was going to make it in this league, of course they would have been more willing to use a higher pick… If Ogletree graded out as a top 200 guy, that’s where he would have been on our board.
In other words, I don’t think even John G was so sure we struck gold.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're absolutely correct.
You run the draft like a business, you don’t want to overpay (use a draft pick) for a guy that you don’t think you need to use a pick for.
So Ogletree’s success so far has to be something of a surprise.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm not mistaken, Clements is the highest paid CB in the NFL
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Was the Highest Paid Defender
In the history of the league when he signed his current deal in 2007. Last February, Nnamdi Asomugha of Oakland topped that deal and is now the highest paid corner in the league.
by kindablue on Aug 30, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
COOOOOOO...
rect sir.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 30, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proctor provides the QB's with consistency
Other then his tendency to walk his man into the pocket and his inability to get any push on running plays he plays a lot like Georde. He provides the same center false starts and bad snaps that Georde brings to the team a dozen times a year.
I hope that Duke really can consistently get the ball to the QB and remeber the snap. Everything else would be gravy.
by Trey, on Aug 29, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Olgetree this years Marcus Colston?
by bad knees on Aug 29, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
one can hope
But he has a lonnnng way to go to reach that kind of status
by sublimezg on Aug 29, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so fast
He had 40 yards in a preseason game. He looked good doing it, but Colston is the best out of nowhere WR of all time.
by Trey, on Aug 29, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if you're old like me
That would be Drew Pearson. I believe Colston was at least drafted.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 29, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to say the same thing!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am too young to remember Pearson's rookie year very well
but looking it up he had 388 yards. Colston jumped on the scene with a 70 catch, 1000 yard 8 TD rookie season. We should all be happy if Olgetree can has a season somewhere between those numbers.
by Trey, on Aug 29, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you raining on our old-guy Pearson parade?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry for the rain.
I caught most of Pearson career, as I became football aware in 76, but by then Pearson was already the established go to guy. Your right in spirit. Pearson won Superbowls and got to catch passes from Roger. Colston can’t touch that.
by Trey, on Aug 30, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't referring to his rookie year
I was referring to his career
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Olgetree sees the field this year
excepting signifigant injuries. If he plays his way on to the field, that’s awesome. Olgetree looked like a pro reciever to a lot of us blog followers if I recall, as soon as we started watching tape on him
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are probably right
But if he continues to look this good, all it’ll take is a slip in performance anywhere from 2-4 to put him on the field. He looks really smooth and Romo seems to be able to find him easily so his routes are probably right as well.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember back then rookies barely made it on the field, No FA defections and they threw the ball 12 times a game.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And wasn't the draft 15 rounds?
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the players were indentured servants?
by MadMick on Aug 30, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the Lions usually won?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll have to ask badknees
no one else can remember back to the days when the Lions won games…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, the LIONS
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mena as in
against the Christians? Again, knees would have knowledge…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
what about the guy who pulled the thorn out? That was at least a draw.
But shhhh…. don’t tell McNabb.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it an Eagle or a little mouse?
Eh… same, same.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 31, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad prediction...
For all the draftniks that were pushing for a WR, do we give GM Jerry any credit for this find? If it’s under his watch, the answer is yes.
Ogletree is looking like a quality WR … against 1st teams CBs … in his first month as a pro.
That is not a bad start.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that credit goes to John Garrett
Apparently some 20+ other teams wanted Ogletree and he chose Dallas because of J. Garrett
by sublimezg on Aug 29, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely it goes to John Garrett...
But who does he work for? Jerry as GM, for better or worse, deserves both credit and blame for what happens under his watch. Ogletree is playing as well as the Giants 1st round pick… wipe off that UDFA label, and enjoy.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly
I wouldn’t wipe off that UDFA label for anything. I love underdogs who thrive on the strive
by sublimezg on Aug 29, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I guess more “wipe off the UDFA expectations” … how sweet is it to find a guy THIS year … with TO gone and Roy hurt. Ogletree getting time in this game sealed the deal in my book, he’s legit.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had me at "touchdown" last week
That move he put on the CB at the line of scrimmage and the catch was enough for me. I wish I could have seen the game tonight.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 29, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not get out the anointing oil just yet.
I hope he makes the team but I’m not sure Roy has to worry about his job just yet.
by JoeWho on Aug 30, 2009 6:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I love that line
I hear you. I admit to having a man-crush. I will be very disappointed if he doesn’t turn into a really good player.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy's job is receiver. It doesn't matter what option he is.
That being said KO probably has a long way to go before he’s a no. 1.
by MadMick on Aug 30, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny how that works isn't it?
“You don’t know what you’ve got till I’m gone” someone leaves, someone steps up. I thinks it’s funny, Romo can make guys like Hurd and Ogletree look good but for the life of himslef could not make Owens look this good in a game.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 30, 2009 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cut list?
Stanback, Proctor, Rudy Carpenter, DeAngelo Smith, Courtney Brown….
TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long
by Mikhaili on Aug 29, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Except for D. Smith. His ability to backup CB/S and return punts merits a little more time.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D Smith needs more time on the bench - but he should be on the bench
he is def not ready for prime time. I’ve seen him fumble punts, get turned around in coverage. I like the way he runs and he has a chance to contribute in my opinion, but if he gets on the field he’ll under perform right now.
He’s still better than Watkins, at least he is a new face at the problem position
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
DeAngelo Smith will make the team and probably be inactive every week (unless we get REALLY desperate with Safety depth). Remember, he is changing positions and the coaches knew this when they drafted him. They will give him time.
If he looks like this NEXT preseason though, he probably won’t be around much longer than that.
by Key19 on Aug 30, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope Ball's injury is nothing more than a sore neck
he’s the one backup who can play, at both S and CB.
I trust him, where I don’t trust the Cincinnati kids or Brown.
I trust him inside where I don’t trust Watkins.
It would be a shame if Hamlin’s injury is serious, cause he has potential at SS.n (crosses fingers
by Rafael Vela on Aug 29, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Ball seems to be developing into a quality player. If Watkins is still on the roster at the season start then we are an injury away from having our corners protecting our safties again.
by Trey, on Aug 29, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I read Vela's article correctly?
Was Ball injured by another teammate after making a good tackle? As in a “way to go” slap on the head?
by JoeWho on Aug 30, 2009 6:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No, guy came in late while Ball had the 49er on the ground
and hit Ball helmet to helmet from the side.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 30, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lattimore was the culprit
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 30, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith would likely stick on the practice squad
I am mixed on Barber. His coverage has been decent, but he cannot fill any of the linebacker spots on first or second down. That seems like a pretty big weakness for a 3-4 team number five linebacker.
by Trey, on Aug 29, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Somebody needs to hardwire
Stephen Jones and John Garrett to the waiver wire come Monday….
Maybe hook up a cattle prod when OT, OG, DL, NT, LB, or NT comes up….
TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long
by Mikhaili on Aug 29, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like the Duke pick-up ... with Holland that gives us 8
DL we have 6 ? and need …? 7/8?
LB may be our new weak spot. And probably the area I wouldn’t be surprised to see a waiver pick.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless a veteran is cut for money reasons LB is the only position where we have a good shot to find someone better then the bottom of our 53.
Siavii has done pretty well in all three preseason games. Seems like he has improved a lot from what was being reported early in training camp. We just signed a OG. Free has been decent for a backup OT this preseason and while McQuisten is replaceble by an average backup, but seldom does a OT who can actually play get cut.
by Trey, on Aug 29, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NT twice... oops
actually Siavii wasnt TOO bad tonight…
TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long
by Mikhaili on Aug 29, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 games where he played better
he will most likely play almost all of the next game…Its his shot
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 30, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
2 weeks until REAL football….
TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long
by Mikhaili on Aug 29, 2009 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Time to savor what's to come, and celebrate the end of a frustrating off-season!
I feel sorry for Tampa Bay… they’re gonna get the wrath of 9 months of bad taste from that Philly game.
Things to look forward to based on camp: 2 tight-end sets, Romo, Felix, MBIII, Bennett, Witten, Ogletree (!) … an aggressive defense behind Rat and Ware, Brookings blitzes, a revived Carpenter, Sense, Scandrick all over the place… and touch-backs.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really see...
Dallas beating Tampa?
~Texas Massacre '09~
by TheHeat on Aug 30, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No... I don't see them beating Tampa...
I see them taking out a year’s worth of frustration on Tampa… I see them playing like they wish they did in Philly 8 months ago… I see them DESTROYING Tampa.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Any given sunday u know, but I just can’t see them laying an egg in that game, this team has shown some pride and they know, Wade knows, Garrett all know that they HAVE to get off to a good start or it might unravel before it begins. Truthfully I feel they win the game. The challenge in my mind is not laying an egg to NYG. Not that the Giants are any better cuz they aren’t but I want to see if this team gets things done when they need to, and the first real home game is a must win.
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 30, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a San Fran fan,
but I do got to say I’m glad they brought back these unis. Much better.
by 2Cor12:9 on Aug 29, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets raise a drink to
Lee not hitting the JerryVision
TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long
by Mikhaili on Aug 29, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Point...
If the ball goes higher than the bottom of the screen, on either side … that must make it difficult to track for return guys. Something tells me that Jumbo-Jerry will add to the home-field advantage.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe flash some rainbow fractals on the end screen
when the other team is recieving a kick…
TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long
by Mikhaili on Aug 29, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's hilarious... how many people even know what fractals are?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 29, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now picture those in motion...
on the big screen… how could he NOT look?
TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long
by Mikhaili on Aug 29, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By season end this story will drive me nutts
On the NFL network, the lead highligh for tonights Cowboy game is that of a punt that did NOT hit the big screen.
by Trey, on Aug 30, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or a Full Monty
if I wa the punt returner I would look the other way!
by bad knees on Aug 29, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its getting late....
I just had a mental image of a screen saver type display of a hundred little ByeDawks chasing a hundred little footballs around the screen while DeSean is trying to field the kick….
TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long
by Mikhaili on Aug 29, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Courtney Brown was maybe barely on the bubble, now he’s just cut. Davis threw that up, that was just pure loss of focus on his part, and it cost him big. He missed an interception before that.
by Why on Aug 30, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They had Brown, Watkins, etc... BEFORE they drafted all these guys... tells you what?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone think Proctor’s getting the boot? He just doesn’t seem to be someone we need to keep. He snapped a ball low for Kitna, made a stupid, costly penalty.
Btw, Cowboys special teams really need to work on cutting down the penalties..
by Why on Aug 30, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RE: Proctor
You’re kidding right? I would say it is pretty much unanimous.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen enough
Start stanback at QB and bring in the scrub patrol for the last game. Too many of these young guys are getting dinged.
So long, stanback.
So long, proctor.
And i wish, so long watkins, but i think he makes the team on ST along.
by THEjarhead on Aug 30, 2009 1:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he is a walking special teams penalty.I dont see how he makes it because of that.
Our team IQ goes up 5-10 points cutting him alone.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy would that be nice if Ogletree turned out to be anywhere near as
that Owens fella. Not sure if he has the same physical tools though.
by houseofprime on Aug 30, 2009 3:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Better hands, runs better routes... is sane
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Ogletree
But Ogletree<<<<<<<Owens
Beuhler: "I'm not a kicker, I am a kicker/ Special Teams player."
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 30, 2009 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo to Owens <Romo to Ogletree
just an opinion.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 30, 2009 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo to Owens
formed the backbone of the greatest offensive year in team history. So if Romo to Owens <Romo to Ogletree is correct, our team this year should be almost unstoppable. I dont know about you, but I havent seen that from the two completions the pair have.
Beuhler: "I'm not a kicker, I am a kicker/ Special Teams player."
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 30, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as much as I luv me some Ogletree, I'm not saying better than Owens ... yet
But we do seem to have found a needle in a haystack – the guy’s legit. I’m standing by my assertion – he’s better than my fellow Tar Heel Hakeem Nicks – the Giant’s 1st round pick. If you don’t think so, just watch this year progress… Ogletree has “it” …
(Now TATE is a different story … the Patriots got a steal in the 3rd)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was baffled during the weeks building up to the draft
seeing people put Nicks over Tate was very confusing to me. I just didn’t and don’t see it.
by sublimezg on Aug 30, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard that fro a few guys but Nicks did get 144 yards recieving last night.
I do believe one of them was 70 yards against a 5 or 6th CB. I will dig a little deeper and find out.
Their high (giant fans) on him smoking #5-8 CBs were I guy was smoking a legit 1 or 2.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all came in the 4th. His 70 yarder the Cb fell down.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To further back up your point.....
…..Jets receiver David Clowney had a equally huge game (4-163, 2 TD) in the preseason last year (also against scrubs) but was only activated for two regular season games. Now of course Nicks is going to play in all Giants games he’s able to but it just goes to show how jacked up numbers can get against the scrubs.
by MadMick on Aug 30, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicks is a good receiver ... I'm really only comparing him to Brandon Tate
Tate was in a league of his own with the Tar Heels…
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my point was more of a dig at the Giants.
Or maybe just to make me feel better about an opponents 1st round pick going off for 144 yards catching.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Matt Leinart had 360 yards passing in a half.
It was in the 2nd half though. I wonder what Cards fans are more focused on. How easily the Packers shredded their first team defense then exposed how easy it still is to jar the ball loose from Warner? Or that Leinart torched the scrubs?
by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least in this preseason
Romo to Ogletree > Romo to Williams.
But things change dramatically from the preseason to the regular season. I say this as someone who once believed Darryl Clack would set the league on fire.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not annointing just yet either
I like the guy alot but
He came in and got himself in the conversation
Last week he proved he has great athleticism against back ups of the back ups
this week he played well against NFL starters
Romo likes him, garret loves him and so far he has passed every test thrown his way
My prediction is he will continue to surprise but being a TO is way premature (on the field TO)
Until proven otherwise he deserves to keep getting tested…
regular season will be the real test – imho he deserves that
My prediction – TD to Ogletree will be called again if given the chance
by Simon Potter on Aug 30, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it hasn't been
an up and down thing. He has done this throughout camp. That’s telling.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just about right
I’m on the bandwagon as much as anybody but let’s be reasonable folks
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
second that
As I was reading all these post I thought I would finally get to one that put this kid yes kid in the HOF.
Let’s all put down the koolaid, take a deep breath and calm down, this the BTB not DMN.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 30, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon
You know that Romo to Ogletree > Staubach to Pearson and Aikman to Irvin and >> Montana to Rice and Cunningham or Brady to Moss.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just happy that we will have a good WR holding down the 5th WR position...
not a injury prone project that hasn’t contributed anything in 3 years…If Ogletree keeps playing like he is Craytons days are numbered as well…
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 30, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I don;t think he’s Jerry Rice or even Drew Pearson. I do think he’s a WR who shows some qualities Dallas needs in a young prospect – NFL poise, decent speed, great hands, very good route running. I like him at the 5th WR position.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craytons days are numbered???
Guy looked great out there, and has looked great all preseason. If you are waiting for Crayton to leave, then you are going to have wait a few years.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Crayton is our second best receiver. He’s had a few high-visibility drops and shot off his mouth too much in 2007, but runs good routes, catches the ball well in traffic and tries as a blocker. He’s probably going to be our no. 2 receiver this year, for good reason.
by kindablue on Aug 30, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He already looks better than he did last year.
I really thought last year was going to be a great year for him and his play fell off. He looks to be back on track and refocused. Maybe it was a hangover from his playoff drop.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crayton's something much higher picked players like Harper and Kevin Williams never were.
A dedicated technician who is almost always where he’s supposed to be. I’ll give him that much. That being said put him on any of the teams with well-rounded receiving corps like the Packers or Saints and he’d be 4th or 5th on their depth chart. Reliable or not, if this team is really finding quality at the receiver position, somebody should eventually jump Crayton within the next year or two.
by MadMick on Aug 30, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100 Well said.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crayton is out after this year hate to tell ya....
Unless Hurd and Austin really regress this season this will be his last. If Ogletree makes improvements like he has Wade wont be able to keep him off the field for very long . Hurd is basically another Crayton, but younger and faster. Crayton contributes nothing on special teams and is God awful on punt returns. I think Crayton has one more year on his contract after this year and his contract is cheap if he is unloaded.
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 30, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i find it hard to believe
that any of the peripheral, 3rd tier WRs will be on the squad in the 2010 season… Crayton, Hurd, Austin. At some point those scrubs have to be churned for equally mediocre but younger WRs who have potential.
by Joey2zs on Aug 30, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whooaaa there fella!!!
Hurd and Austin already past their shelf-life?
I beg to differ … these guys are more about potential than results so far, but that says nothing about what we will see from them this year and next. I expect all three to be on the roster next year. Crayton’s contract is reasonable and he’s an EXCELLENT #3, if not a decent #2. Hurd and Austin have done nothing but improve in these early career years. And if Ogletree continues to progress, you can forget that high WR draft pick everyone seems bent upon.
Mediocre? Without looking it up, means average – in a bad way. I see these guys as bargains with high ceilings; at worst average in the very best of ways.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's definitely make or break this year for Austin
Won’t he be an unrestricted FA next year? He will have either had a really good year and be expensive to keep or a not so hot year and easy to let walk (another injury year = easy to let walk). Hurd must be coming up on free agency too. It seems to me there is a very good chance at least one of them has to be gone next year.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on...?
It seems to me there is a very good chance at least one of them has to be gone next year.
HateGiants… you’re ripping comment above for their lack of support, but you’re guilty here :)
Olive leaf from a Jersey guy: Eggggselent name
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 31, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit, you've confused me
Did I “rip” them earlier? What am I guilty of? Olive leaf accepted but help me understand. For the record, I’ve been a pretty strong supporter of Austin for 3 years.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin signed a two year deal...not going anywhere
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure he signed a 1 yr deal
I found a bunch of links about a 1 yr $1.5 milion deal, nothing about a 2 yr
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if we are still talking about "their potential" in 2 more years.
I think 1 or both will step up and produce.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boyzfan predictions = throwing darts blindfolded
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they're worse than that
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
predictions been on the money as of late....
just like Stanback some of you that were so high on…the guy was a bust of a pick from the start I told you….Newman….becoming injury prone…happening..Ellis..out..yeah, not too shabby…dont hate because Crayton and Spears will be the two out next year..
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't give up on Spears just yet......,
He’s doing pretty good in pre-season plus he was a 1st Rounder. Admittedly, before last year, he was a disappointment, but he came on last year.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
based on what average DE's are getting, which he is....
We can find one that will cost alot less…. Remember, he is a UFA next year. Hatcher could be his replacement next year, well see. Spears is not worth the money it would take to resign him at this point. He is really going to have to play lights out all season to have a shot, not just preseason…..
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don't disagree.........
it’s just wishful thinking that the lights go on this year for him. I can just see it now. We let him go and he goes somewhere else and plays lights out. If we don’t resign him then that means we lose both him and Canty. Pretty bad averages if you ask me.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Igor is going to be just as good as Canty, if not better...
so we wont lose anything there. Spears really hasn’t shown he is worth the money he will command. I mean, Canty was a better DE than Spears and they let him walk. If they go by the same thinking Spears wont be back next year. I think we can pick up a FA or draft a 3-4 DE to play next year without breaking the bank on Spears.
I’m thinking they really want to see Hatcher break out so it would make the decision to keep or release Spears that much easier next off season.
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree........
it just bugs me that we develop these players for 3 or 4 years and then they go somewhere else to play. I understand FA and all, but either did a bad job in drafting these guys or we don’t develop them enough to keep them. It’ll be interesting to see if Spears changes this year since Wade will be the D.C. Remember, Igor had one of his better years under Wade.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comes down to the big dollar...
with everyone overpaying, even for average players it makes it difficult sometimes to keep a player. We paid out some big contracts with MB3, Newman, Romo, RW and soon to be Ware we can’t afford to overpay for an average DE.
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Since you feel strong Boyzfan
Amendola
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 31, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TNew looks fine to me
Stanback hasn’t been cut yet.
Spears might be re-signed, if he doesn’t hold out for a Canty like contract.
There is no way Crayton is leaving next year, his contract is not a burden. Why would they get rid of a guy who can produce at an affordable contract?
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 31, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
the longer they play together, the better they play together.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just dont see Jerry spending the money on Spears....
He wants to get paid and knows some team will over pay for him….You actually want to pay Spears a 6-year contract in the area of 42 mil with 16 to 18 mil guarenteed?? Thats what Canty got…he is not worth it IMO….
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money will be tight but Spears decision will factor on a few things
Igors play this year. Depth of the DE coming out and i mean 3-4 DEs. Hatchers developement. Spears year. Spears demands.
You cant let him walk without a back up plan.
Wont RW38 and TO contracts be off of the books next year and is there any more dead money clearing up soon?
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah u can...
its called the draft. You can’t be handcuffed by that thinking just because Hatcher or Bowen or another doesn’t work out…We can’t pay Spears because we are desperate. That’s not good cap management. Hatcher has looked solid so far.
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also cant come into a draft with to many needs.
I see absolute needs next year as 2 OL at least 1 DE, 1 ILB, 1DT. Throw in a FS/SS and CB as regular need. Some of that would be better served in FA. The cheapest FA are usually your own. It will come down to what he wants. A great draft is 5 starters. Thats just not as easy as picking groceries.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to Crayton
Spears is going to be a much trickier question
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hurd, Austin and Ogletree progress...
Crayton won’t be able to hold them off….he will be forced to demotion or cut. Hurd is the same as Crayton, but faster so whats the loss? We can draft or find another to develop as the 5th WR next season..
It’s not like Crayton has done anything special here. He stinks at punt returns, can’t seperate from a defender and rarley shows up when it counts. He has good hands and runs good routes that’s it…. It’s not like were talking cutting TO here fellows…he is not that good..c’mon..lol. Crayton’s fate will be decided on how well the others do this season.
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is saying he's TO
But he’s a lot better than you want to give him credit for. He’s produced in real games, is a reliable option for Romo, and I disagree that he stinks at punt returns.
Pacman stunk at punt returns last season.
Crayton is solid, but not a threat to break one. I’m sure his avg. is around 10 yds per. That’s average.
Just don’t get why you think he’s done after this season. Proven WR as a #2 or #3 with a reasonable contract. What’s the big deal. Even if he drops to #4 on the depth chart because Hurd, Austin, or Ogletree pass him, still worth it.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2009 1:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still with the Eagles so they must see something....
Wouldve kept him on our PS at least…..probably would’ve contributed more than Stanback.
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They see camp fodder
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come ON
Are you just being devil’s advocate? It’s like saying whoever replaced Marvin Harrison or Jerry Rice is better because they’re faster.
And, how do you know about his hands and routes? You don’t. Hands and routes don’t mean squat. Scoring touchdowns and running after the catch and breaking tackles and making plays are what matter. We know that TO is one of the best in the history of the game at WR, and we know Ogletree is a rookie.
by Joey2zs on Aug 30, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TO has made a career out of pure athleticism...
TO is notorious for running poor routes and stone hands… all Ogletree needs to do is be average and he beats TO on these two fronts.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify ... and if you look at my other comments...
I don’t think we should be anointing Ogletree just yet… and he’s not in TO’s league and won’t be any time soon… I just wanted to point out that TO had his faults … the main point being the sanity question!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's nuttier'n...
squirrel S.
No one will argue that. And I’d love to hang out with the guy for a while to draw my own conclusions, and to be entertained.
Here is what I hope… Ogletree is this year’s Eddie Royal. (Two good ol’ boys from the OLD DOMINION) If he can equal Eddie Royal, yikes.
by Joey2zs on Aug 30, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100 I would take that in a heartbeat.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd settle for Ogletree = Chris Carter
by bad knees on Aug 30, 2009 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd settle for...in this order
Romo to:
Felix
Williams
Bennet
whitten
then the rest can get a few touches
by Simon Potter on Aug 30, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the concept, but:
Witten (no brainer)
Barber (He’s going to be the starter)
Felix
Williams
Bennett
Hurd, Crayton, Austin, Ogletree in no particular order.
BTW, was I seeing things or did Wade scream at a player last night?
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Aug 30, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
told Brown to pack his bags
Hes cut
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 30, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ogletree Can Play II
First run against NFL corners and he did well..Nate Clements is no slouch
He’s not TO…but he better than a few guys currently playing ahead of him
by Simon Potter on Aug 30, 2009 5:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was such a great game
Just like the Tennessee game, if the first teams had finished out four quarters, the Cowboys would’ve ended up dominating.
The ball control offense is fantastic, but it plays into their biggest weakness — penalties. That’s why I’m really looking forward to seeing the deep game on display against Tampa. If that piece of their playbook is in place, they can be a truly elite offense this year.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Aug 30, 2009 5:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, darn
Safety Mike Hamlin, a fifth-round pick, suffered a broken right wrist covering a kickoff during the third quarter. He said he’s expected to be sidelined about six weeks.
Linebacker Jason Williams, a third-round pick, sprained his left ankle in the second half. X-rays were negative.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Aug 30, 2009 6:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Our Rooks are going down like flies
M. Hamlin has probably done enough to make the team though.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Aug 30, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better the rooks.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has, too.
It’s a shame, but I hope we’ll see him in October again.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what do you do with him now?
Injured reserve and write off the season? Use a roster spot for him?
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a valid question.
I think he’s on the 53 and inactive until the wrist is better, but I’m interested to see what the Cowboys do with him.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PUP list
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 30, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its too late
The player has to have been on the PUP list before any pre-season games.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rooks always go down like flies
Body’s aren’t strong enough for the rigors. Fortunately Dallas will get both these guys back. I especially want to see Jason Williams on Kick Off Coverage
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really glad to hear Williams'
Xrays were negative.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I was most concerned with his injury.
Hope the MRI is neg. also.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
crud - Hamlin was playing at a high level for a young player
Dallas will need him at safety during the stretch run
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if Sensi goes down
Would M Hamlin see the field. In 6 weeks he will be back
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Aug 30, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the sound of this
The top line offered superb protection to Tony Romo
Ths is the season in a nutshell.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that.
And I love the long clock-eating drives. The question is, how do those big boys sustain that through December/January/February? Do they really run out of gas toward the end of the season, and if so, how do you keep them fresh?
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spread the ball around bro, spread it around. And lots of quick passes.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Aug 30, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think that's a part of this year's plan
short passes, dump-offs, etc. are still “line aggressive” plays because the line goes head hunting,and they don’t require the line to hold a black for long. That keeps them aggressive and relatively fresh.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You keep them fresh with regular Thai massages every Week...
Hey, don’t laugh, it works for me :)
(one more Amen and three Hail-Mary’s for Dunk’s comment)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Share a picture
and I’ll start the petition to have you banned. As it is, my dinner is looking unappetizing at this point…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that. Head hunting.
I’ll have one of those please.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Aug 30, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but ... but ...
is this negotiable?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jesse holley
Did he even get on the field last night???
by albigaes on Aug 30, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holley
The lowest man on the WR depth chart. You might get to see him next week in the final preseason game, if he’s still on the roster.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will Ogletree see much time in the Regular Season?
We know Garrett doesn’t like to put rookies out there. Look what he did with Felix last year. And with a 2 TE offense, it will be rare that we will see our 5th WR barring injury. Does anybody see him knocking off Austin and Hurd to become the #3?
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I see him as a #5 this season,
with the potential to become a #3 next year. Beyond that I’m not willing to guess based on a single training camp and three preseason games.
But I’ve liked what he’s done so far, and if, because of injury, he had to step in this season as a #4 or #3, I think he might be able to get comfortable in that role.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
With dings that come witht the regular season he should get a few chances but overall your right. Getting on the field will be harder in the regular season.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on what I've seen so far and assuming he builds on it
I’d say it’s very possible he takes that spot at some point. According to the combine 40 times I looked up he’s actually faster than Miles by .01 seconds. I doubt that happens this year but It’s not crazy to think that at some point he takes Hurd or Austins spot. He’s a pretty nifty receiver.
by sublimezg on Aug 30, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also had
a faster 40 time at the combine this year than Jeremy Maclin the Eagles #1 pick. The kid came out early and it looks like the league “punished” him a little bit for it. If production counts the kid deserves some reps as the #3 receiver this year. Maybe not the Tampa game but down the road a bit. Something tells me we are going to want that speed on the field.
by jevans1729 on Aug 30, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little out of his control
I could see him getting some time because Hurd and Austin keep leaving the door open (or not closing the deal). I’m pretty sure one or both of them will miss some time with injuries. On the other hand, the coaching staff clearly doesn’t like to play rookies. Tashard Choice never got on the field last year until both Felix and Barber couldn’t go.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read my mind
This was exactly what I was thinking before I read your post.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Aug 30, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whining or Leadership?
I say Leadership. Greg Ellis is a great player and we will miss him if Spencer doesn’t have the best season of his career.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Spencer looked really good against the 49'ers.
But wasn’t he going up against Alex Boone most of the night? (No offense to Ohio State fans.)
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see the 49'er game
But he looked really good the first 2 games
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we need to worry about Spencer.
He’s going to play like the starter he is.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
He had a great game against TN. But, despite his sack against the 9ers, he was pushed around on their first drive running the ball.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't notice that, so fair point,
but the whole defense was giving up a little ground on SanFrans 1st drive. Thankfully they tightened up.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he played great
Not sure about him getting pushed around very much.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets also keep our eye on how well Greg plays.
To be a good move he only has to play better than Greg. To warrant his draft status he has to play much better.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ellis isn't playing opposite Ware
He’ll draw the double teams this year as the Raider’s best pass rusher.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bull, thats a cop out. Greg isnt asked to cover and play run 60-70% of the time.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He isnt the best pass rusher and greg should be breaking down by Nov.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all know Ellis was old
and ineffective against the run as the season went on. He can get sacks but I wouldn’t ask Ellis to do anything else.
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
B.S. Ellis was better than Spencer against run and pass all season
Raf tried to say that – citing his performance against Baltimore. Then I pulled up the highlights on the NFL network and the only big run to his side was when he dropped back in coverage.
I hope that Spencer improves. And I have some confidence that Wade will set him up to succeed (he was successful with Keith Davis playing SS). But he was not as good as Ellis last season.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis was NOT better against the run than Spencer.....
Spencer before he was injured last training camp was just about to push Ellis off the starting OLB spot people forget..
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 30, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind Spencer missed 6 games....
The last part of the season when Spencer was healthy he was a beast. Ellis disappeared the second half of the season.
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 30, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many sacks did that beast get?
Whose running game did he help shut down when he came back?
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Ellis's 8 sacks do anything to help us win anything?...
where was Ellis and his 8 sacks down the stretch and in the playoff game? Simple put, Ellis wore down the stretch. He was solid against the pass, but lacked against the run. Spencer is going to be an upgrade over Ellis..
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 30, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was the whole idea of using Spencer on 1st and 2nd downs and Ellis on 3rd downs....
Wade knew Spencer was very good against the run..
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 30, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here are the Baltimore RB Highlights
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were was your boy KD. That should have been him.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's pretty weak Jimmy....
You can blame about 7 different players for both those busted plays…..
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 30, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
But you can’t say Spencer played like a beast when he had 0 tackles for a loss. And you can’t blame Ellis for poor performance against the run when you can’t find any plays where he let a big play happen. Raf highlighted his play against Baltimore and the Rams. But in both games, if you look at RB highlights, they came against other players.
Again, show me where Spencer was a beast and Ellis sucked against the run. I think people are just saying that because Spencer has been a horrible pass rusher since he entered the league. Spencer didn’t earn the starting role because of his stunning play last year. Wade decided to start Spencer back in May of last year.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Spencer came back from injury he was playing very well.....
Where the heck do you get he was a horrible pass rusher? He is going into his 3rd season..c’mon… lol.. First year he was a rookie learning how to play OLB, last year he was injured and took him awhile to get back into playing shape.
Wade shouldve traded Ellis last season IMO….might have happened if Spencer didnt get hurt in TC…
by Boyzfan94 on Aug 30, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spencer was getting the bulk of 1st and 2nd down plays...
Ellis became the pass-rush “specialist” …
The assumption was that Spencer was better against the run, and Ellis the better rusher… I personally didn’t watch these two in enough depth to know, but from what I remember of posts, Spencer was playing better at the end of the year.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple highlight,big deal.Thats what you got.
Success with Keith davis at safety?! WTFAYTA!!!
Dude you lost all credibilty. You see what you want to see and its wrong.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't read my post
I was praising Wade’s ability to put crappy players in a position to succeed. Our defense played better with KD at safety (playing on 1 good leg) under Wade than they had with Stewart and Roy Williams (and any other Safety). Hell, KD even made some big plays. I never said KD was a good or even average player. He sucks. That’s the point. Wade is a great defensive coordinator.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright point taken, and I agree, but KD still gives me nightmares. I wish you would have picked another guy.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Highlights aren't the bread and butter of defensive players
its the little things, like forcing running backs 2 yards back and around, allowing the safety to tackle on the outside of the hash marks. Statistics back me up. Lets not all celebrate Ellis like he was Julius Ceasar → Only Once has he had more than 9 sacks, and he did it under the coach who let him go.
JJT may say Ellis could get out of bed and get 8 sacks, but we need a dozen to win. Brady James had 8 sacks last year, and he’s not a full time pass rusher.
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know we've moved to another topic but....
Did someone say that route running and hands don’t mean squat?!?!?…..wonder how jerry rice feels about that?
by da universe's team on Aug 30, 2009 11:00 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I think they meant if it doesnt translate into production.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ogletree
O-tree doesn’t have to be better than T.O.
He doesn’t even have to be equal to T.O.
He doesn’t even have to be great.
He just has to be good. And it really looks like he is going to be good.
Proctor? The team is clearly looking to replace him.
Stanback? Don’t buy that Stanback jersey.
Brown? Whew, did you see Wade screaming at him?
If any of these guys make the 53 I’ll be surprised?
Jenkins? I saw him throw his body around and make some tackles. If he continues to do this in the regular season I will give him absolution for his past sins. (He missed a tackle too)
Bobby Carpenter- At the risk of sounding like someone else who constantly harps on a single issue, I will say that he does appear to have good coverage skills but, has anyone on here ever seen Carp make a hit on anyone and really thump them? I mean a good linebacker hit that drives a runner or receiver backward? I don’t remember ever seeing him single-handedly ‘snot bubble’ anybody.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Aug 30, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm more concerned about the coverage mistakes Jenkins makes
He looked really bad against the Titans
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim,
I will personally go down in flames with you on Carpenter if that is what is needed. The guy shys away from contact. You can’t play the WIL position and never shed a block. I watched Jason Williams blow up a screen last night for a 2 yard gain by himself. I have never seen Carpenter come remotely close to making a play like that. Jason Williams is a better LB than Carpenter right now. The guy is a waste of a roster spot if we keep him.
by jevans1729 on Aug 30, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Williams will be Snot-Bubbling guys this year...
He just has that “I’m gonna snot-bubble somebody” look about him.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"don’t remember ever seeing him single-handedly ‘snot bubble’ anybody."
Raiders goaline comes to mind.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 30, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys-49'ers on NFLN
Today 4-7 Eastern if anyone cares
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Our Scrubs Are Worse Than Yours:
No, not really.
usa
by Longhorn on Aug 30, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When does Norm post his player play-by-plays?
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Addictive, huh?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Aug 30, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stands up slowly
Hi, my name is StillHatesTheGiants and I am a Norm play-by-blay-a-holic
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL ... and totally agree...
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have not seen the game yet
been working will watch it here in a minute.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 30, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't get this quote
I don’t see anybody after the top six of Ratliff, Spears, Olshansky, Hatcher, Bowen and Siavii who stood out.
Um.. aren’t they the only ones going to make the team?
by quincyyyyy on Aug 30, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean it's not like we should care the third team sucks, they are going to get cut anyways
by quincyyyyy on Aug 30, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We would be richer if guys like Marcus Dixon came on
I’m still waiting for Hatcher to make some plays, I was high on him when he came out of Grambling. He’s as strong as he’s ever going to be, now.
I’m pleased with Marcus Spears’ play, he’s a good player at that position.
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Dixon would have been nice, but I understand that he’s been hampered by injuries again. So I’d expect him to be cut a re-signed to the PS.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, isn't great to see Siavii getting a passing grade?
That’s a huge concern. I’m going to watch the reply on NFLN 3-6 central time and watch for Free, Holland, Proctor. If Dallas has adequate line depth, Dallas has the skill players to win a lot of games.
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Nate Davis perform better with the third stringers than Shaun Hill with the first stringers, or is our third string defense that bad? From what I saw from Nate Davis, he could take the 49ers job in a few seasons.
by Why on Aug 30, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good question above
Who cares how bad our 3rd string is? Those guys are irrelevent.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our 3rd string defense is a bunch of rookies we know little about
but clearly the coaches are learning about them quickly.
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think its that our third stringers
are so bad.. its more about how our first team defense is just THAT good. Although I would say that it is a mix of both. I remember watching something that had that QB on it and he had real good accuracy with those gloves and he wouldn’t really have to worry about the snap since he could grasp it at any place.
by Static on Aug 30, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Raiders are horrible
and their 3rd teamers destroyed our 3rd teamers.
It doesn’t matter. Hopefully, the 3rd teamers will never see the field in a Cowboys uniform.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Davis is a good QB but dropped because of his learning disability
by quincyyyyy on Aug 30, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he the guy from Bowling green.I heard he was really good.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Bowling greens uniform red. It seems i remember his college uniform white/red.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's ridiculous
Why would they go with red???
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he went to ball State. It didnt make sense to me either. Red
uniforms for Bowling green. i think I might have gotten the conference right though.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep it was Ball St
David Letterman’s alma mater.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, but the question remains-
are Bowling Green’s uniforms green?
I watched Nate Davis play three games last year. He has an NFL arm, but I didn’t like his accuracy. But he sure didn’t seem to have any accuracy issues last night.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've done my research, and Bowling Green's uniforms are. . .
kind of orangey-red. With black (or brown) accents. Makes complete sense to me.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a reason to dislike Ball St
Lettermen is a total A-hole
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cher was right
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 31, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides Ogletree...
I’d have to say that the most pleasant suprise of this offseason has been Keith Brooking.
I think most of us were questioning the signing, but all I know is that it seems like he is a very effective blitzer and he looks alot closer like someone in his prime then a LB that looked like he was running in cement for Atlanta.
Makes me wonder if he was hurt last year.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 30, 2009 2:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree - while Kieth Brooking is invaluable as a good starter
what I like best is the “ok” ability of our backup NT and first 3 back up OLinemen
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But lets be honest here
whats best this offseason is how serious it’s been. No games, no personal avoidable drama, no circus. Football and life matters. No drama queens hamming it up
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this
a Montecito Tex reference??
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 30, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, just the circus atmosphere that had been around since Parcel's last year
you want to see PacMan laughing it up? TO in a Lance Armstrong outfit? This is the best story of the offseason, no doubt.
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post Script I never minded Montecito's interjections
just wish they weren’t repetitive
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to the old codger?
Did he finally get snuffed by his long-time rival Panama Red?
by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with the "no drama" being the biggest story...
The three biggest player stories to me: Brooking, Ogletree, Sense
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 30, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tex a drama queen?
No, really? (severe sarcasm)
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Aug 31, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its the Greg Ellis show, Lost in Space..
Speed in this league definitely picks up a couple of notches on the outside.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 30, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brooking was a great FA signing, the best one Dallas made this off-season
He’s lived up to and/or exceeded most people’s expectations.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Brooking meeting/exceeding expectations.
I’m kind of interested in Olshansky, too. Did anyone see the play when he got loose for a free shot to rush the QB? He looked like a grizzly bear running on his hind legs.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Aug 30, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally not the football circus of the NFL. Let the Good Ol` Raiders take care of the traveling circus.
by Why on Aug 30, 2009 4:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or better yet, the Iggles
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles do everything ugly
ugly fans, ugly players, ugly history. Let them be a freak show circus… that said I think Eagles are seriously wounded along their lines and will struggle in the NFC East this year
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realized
I’m okay with Newman being a situational punt returner. He’s still got the moves, and it’s a huge plus for the special teams. I say the Cowboys try him out in the regular season — I predict at least one TD return by TNew.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Aug 30, 2009 5:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been waiting for a TD from Newman on a PR for years
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy I really had hopes for but I've been dissappointed to be so far
is DeAngelo Smith, the way he runs is like a natural PR, he has his knees high and every step he’s shifting left and right while moving forward
by AustonianAggie on Aug 30, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we make the playoffs
or are playing to clinch, I’m 100% behind using him. I hate to see him back there in preseason. TNew is a great CB but he is fragile. Every time he returns a punt, there he probably has a 1 in 50 chance of a serious injury – given his history. I’m fine with that risk when games really matter. But I worry when we use him in that capacity in the preseason when players on the bubble are desperate to make a roster by lighting a punt returner up.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on this.
Crayton is just fine for most situations. It’s the past history that counts here.
I wouldn’t use Newman unless it was a key game and very close.
by Realist Larry on Aug 30, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some help with ticket info
I’m considering taking my son to a game later this season. I would appreciate some comments from people who have been to the new stadium. First, I’m looking on StubHub, it looks like we’ll probably end up in the nose bleed section (i.e., 400’s). How is the view from there? Also, how bad is the view as you get down into the endzone or further. Finally, would I want to be behind the visitors bench so we could look across (with binoculars) to see the Cowboy players. All comments are welcome.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And if anyone has 2 -3 tickets they are looking to sell for Sea, Wash, or SD I might be interested
Hope I’m not breaking any blog rules here
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have tickets in nosebleed for the Giants
I let you know but does it really matter?
by cow_fanatic on Aug 30, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
If everyone here said those seat are horrible, I’d have to consider reaching a little deeper in my pocket and paying a lot more for lower level seats.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the good news is...
even if you if you have bad seats, you have a huge screen in front of you to see an instant replay.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 30, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, since Ogletree is in, I hope they have him catching punts at practice.
He’d be the prefect candidate to work out as PR.
Quick feet, young……
by Realist Larry on Aug 30, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing
He seems like he would be a perfect fit
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 30, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And running down on kicks
You expect you 5th WR to contribute on Special Teams – along with 3rd and 4th. And, while Ogletree is small, he’s not much smaller than Steve Tasker. And look what Joe D did with him. (Tasker was special and I’m not saying that Ogletree is up there with him. I’m just saying his size should not prevent him from being a special teams star).
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 31, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So no need for Stanback, now that we have good ol’ Ogletree. Stanback had one impressive kickoff return where he went up diagonally and used his blocks well. I just don’t see that happening consistently enough for him to keep a roster spot
by Why on Aug 30, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that it changes my opinion on his fate, but...
didn’t I hear that the 3-point holding penalty was actually not on Proctor but on Davis?
by eliason on Aug 31, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was Colombo?
The announcers initially said it was Bigg, but the refs announced someone else. I thought it was Marc.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a false start later on
But they were inside the 5yd line so Folk still kicked that FG.
Procter was called for holding on a 49 yd FG, wiped out the points and moved them out of FG range.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Aug 31, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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