Cowboys Special Teams: Stability = Special Play
The first two weeks of the Joe DeCamillis Experience brought mixed results. The big returns so common in the Bruce DeHaven and Bruce Read Eras persisted. So did the needless penalties.
DeCamillis put on his political hat and cautioned against overly optimistic expectations, at least in early August. He was mixing and matching his units, working towards a core of dependable, dedicated players.
Saturday saw a lot of personnel carryover from the Tennessee game. Consequently, we saw some of the best overall special teams play from a Cowboys team in a long time. It's still preseason, but DeCamillis' high-intensity lessons seem to be taking.
A New Folk Hero Kicker
Nick Folk has been the special teams MVP the last two years and an almost instant Folk hero, because of his ability to nail kicks in pressure situations. The Cowboys may have a new folk hero in rookie David Buehler. Buehler has done precisely what he was drafted to do, offering a long leg and kamikaze coverage skills. Here's a recap of his first-half kicks Saturday:
- One yard deep in the end zone, returned ot the San Francisco 15.
- Two yards deep, returned to the Dallas 30, where Buehler made the tackle. Called back for holding and spotted on the San Francisco ten.
- Three yards deep, touchback.
Three kickoffs, with an average starting position of the 15 yard line. Compare that to last year, where Dallas had an NFL worst kickoff landing average of the nine and an opponents' average starting position just past their 29.
Recall that Dallas defensive red zone efficiency dropped off last year. The team was good at preventing touchdowns inside its 20 but surrendered far more field goals than the year before. The lousy field position likely played a role. Pushing opponents back 15 yards should cut this figure down. At least that's the plan. Buehler appears more than able to do his part.
Many Happy Returns
Dallas had been a pedestrian punt return team the last four years. Patrick Crayton is Mr. Dependable; he'll catch the ball and run as far upfield as he can, but he's not going to dazzle you. Pacman Jones was supposed to change this, but he fizzled out last season.
Saturday, Crayton and Terence Newman took their turns and both generated long returns. Newman took a first half punt 43 yards, leading to a field goal. Crayton caught a 2nd half liner on the dead run and returned it 26 yards. A big reason may be...,
Don't Throw the Core Out With the Discards
DeCamillis has settled on a core of players. A couple are names many of us, me included have marked for death. Pat Watkins continues on both kickoff and both punt units, greatly improving his chances of hanging on. The same if true of wideout Isaiah Stanback. He hurt his cause by fumbling a pass, but had a strong game on special teams. He and rookie Jason Williams were frequently the first two down on kickoff returns. He plays in the middle of the punt coverage team, in one of the slots Keith Davis used to occupy. Stanback had a solid 30 yard return and his downfield block on a 'Niners gunner sprung Crayton on his big return. Stanback is playing like a cat who knows he's on his 9th life, and that adrenaline-infused hustle may keep him in a Cowboys uniform.
Stanback, Watkins, John Phillips and Jason Williams are four guys Coach D has trusted the last two weeks. Watch next week to see if these four have company on the special teams core.
I don't expect a steady week -to-week improvement from the special teammers. DeCamillis is pushing a lot of new faces, many of them rookies, into his teams, and their progress tends to be up and down, not linear. Improvement is clear, from this time last year and even a month ago.
It may come next week, or next month, but the Cowboys are being DeCamillisized.
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About time
About time we get a handle on special teams. They have been abysmal for a long time. It is asking a lot of your defense, no matter how killer they may be, to prevent a score when the other team starts with great field position.
by Chris in Va on Aug 31, 2009 12:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Up late watching Dexter…just finished going over the replay of the game and, yeah, I agree with most of the above. Just, and I may be the only one, but I hate using TNew on returns when he is playing great shutdown coverage, and we HAVE to have him healthy this year…great returns aside.
Any thoughts?
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by nspirals on Aug 31, 2009 12:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
T-New is too valuable to return kicks..
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by Wmillion on Aug 31, 2009 12:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see him doing that during the regular season
Just not next week.
Beuhler: "I'm not a kicker, I am a kicker/ Special Teams player."
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 31, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
T New certainly had an exciting return
If we didn’t have to worry about the players behind Scandrick and Jenkins, I’d be all for letting him return punts in the regular season. As it stands, we’re super thin at corner. Also, Newman’s been our punt returner before. He didn’t do enough to warrant the risk of injury.
I say let Crayton return the punts. Guy’s proven to be much more durable and actually had some fairly exciting returns himself.
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by the red scare on Aug 31, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see Ogletree return punts and kick offs
He’s clearly going to make the team and probably not get on the field much. To me he’s a perfect candidate to return kicks
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about T-New?
Didn’t we debate this a while back? Not that it means anything in preseason but he looks a little better returning punts then Caryton does
by cow_fanatic on Aug 31, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor risk reward ratio
I think a lot of people don’t like the idea of Tnew getting hurt returning kicks. I put myself in that group
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read somewhere that 49ers targeted Tnew instead of Jenkins or Scandrick.
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by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love dexter.
and I cringe when T-New lines up to return a punt. I’m worried the slightest touch on him will turn out to cause a broken arm or something haha.
by Rickyy. on Aug 31, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that two of the punt returns were helped by the fact that the punts were low hang time punts,
the announcers were referring to them as line drive punts.
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by cowboy78 on Aug 31, 2009 12:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I say we just forefit next weeks game and make the cuts on what we know now!
don’t want to risk anyone on the most meaningless game.
by bad knees on Aug 31, 2009 2:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya'
Preseason week 4 is the worst week ever. I believe that’s when Hurd and Austin got hurt last year? Maybe Austin’s injury came in the 3rd preseason game, I dunno’. I just know it sucks to see a guy you have to rely on in the regular season go down in a meaningless game.
Let the 3rd stringers play the entire game. Nobody too important gets hurt, all the roster long shots get an entire game to make their case for a spot, and all is right with the world.
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by the red scare on Aug 31, 2009 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to play devil's advocate...
If coaches don’t want to rest their players before the MOST important playoff games, why rest them now? They’re about to play 16 games X 4 quarters of football… why not add one more quarter to the list just to maintain the momentum of Training Camp and Preseason?
Guys get injured… it’s football. I’d like to see Romo to Ogletree once more before he takes his place at the end of the bench… I’d like to see Sensabaugh try out his delayed blitz skills… I’d like to see Austin get behind someone, anyone…
Letting them rest for 2 weeks before the season has even begun seems more risky than putting them out there for one quarter of ballin’ … k’naw mean?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Aug 31, 2009 5:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with some of the lower tier talent, but to have
Newman, Romo, Ware and Ratliff out there for a meaningless game. When, they have proven that they are ready is pointless. If they get hurt in the regular season when it counts then that is bad luck, but in preseason?
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by GunsUp on Aug 31, 2009 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The end of the year is a little more scary, some teams are resting because they are in the playoffs and
others are playing everybody. Luckily all but the youngest of teams are resting their starters before the season begins. I think momentum is pretty level starting the season.
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by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see your point about maintaining momentum,
but I’ll still be nervous during the game this week if those guys are playing.
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by 24Hz on Aug 31, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need for Romo to get jacked up by Pat McSpaggletooth who will be...
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by MadMick on Aug 31, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping players like Stanback and Watkins
means we don’t keep players like Ogletree and D. Smith. Although we haven’t seen squat from either Cincinatti kid, I had hopes for both. I suppose we could give the Cinci guys a year on the practice squad. The problem is that if you keep Stanback and Watkins for ST, they make into games at some point during the season, and they haven’t done anything EVER in games.
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by White Wolf on Aug 31, 2009 6:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And I've already
sold myself on Ogletree, so I really don’t want him dropped in favor of Stanback. Stanback can be replaced by Scandrick, Ogletree and Felix in kickoff return. If Stanback were a PR I’d be less certain, but I have to think they are going to keep the promising WR.
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by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way Stanback can stay over Ogletree
If he stays, that means Dallas goes light somewhere else and 6 deep at WR.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather Olgetree
Early risers rise early because of natural gifts.
He can be be taught Stanbacks role on KO coverage, and I’d rather see Jason Williams makign those tackles anyway.
by AustonianAggie on Aug 31, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If those 2 guys are kept just because of ST
That means 6 roster spots are exclusively ST players 2 PK, 1 P, 1 LS, and these 2. Throw in a 3rd QB and there are a number of positions that are very thin.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
I’m not sure, even as bad as ST were, that you can forego depth to fix that.
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by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I’m thinking about the criteria for the 53: starters, valuable backups, future starters, and special teams. Keeping all those ST guys takes away the depth of the valuable backups, and the potential of the possible future starters.
I hope they can work those guys into special teams roles, not the other way around.
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by 24Hz on Aug 31, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blocked kicks
Did anyone notice how close Scandrick came to blocking a punt and field goal? He did it in college and I predict he will do it for the ’Boys
by albigaes on Aug 31, 2009 6:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too
I seem to recalll he was good at that in college.
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by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, one of these days he's going to get one
by scottmaui on Aug 31, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was an ace in college
You know what was very good in College at blocking kicks too, Ty Warren the DE/NT for NE. It seems like players who are really good on special teams correlate to natural football players
by AustonianAggie on Aug 31, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would these 2 be this year's surprise roster picks
There are always a couple big surprises. Would these 2 qualify? Who else would come as a total surprise?
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 7:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yup - i called the same thing in the open thread
the continuity of the special team units showed marked improvement over the scary factor of the first two games.
with the positive feelings i have about the special teams improvements, the only remaining hole in our arsenal is that we just can’t stop committing stupid penalities.
we have to get that part under control, somehow, someway. unfortunately, i can’t put a finger on exactly how to fix that. hopefully someone with a clipboard does.
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by KDP on Aug 31, 2009 7:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The penalties are bad
They dinged Colombo for a false start, but when I watched it again yesterday, several players moved, which makes me wonder if it wasn’t Gurode forgetting the snap count.
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by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the replay again and
you will see Colombo tell Gurode “snap the ball”. It’s Gurode who is forgetting the snap count or just doesn’t snap the ball, AND he has been slow snapping many this pre season.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 31, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish he would have walked over and slapped him on the side of the head while he was saying it
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't we get a center that can both block
AND remember the snap count? Gurode can do the former, that’s the hard part of the job. Why can’t he do the latter? That’s what gets me, and his erratic shotgun snaps, and he can’t get the snap down with Kitna, apparently (witness the fumbled snaps).
by mdlusk on Aug 31, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fumbled snaps are between Proctor and Kitna, not Gurode.
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by cowboy78 on Aug 31, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I just remembered that, thanks
sorry Gurode, that one’s not on you.
by mdlusk on Aug 31, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so the next question is
does the problem exist because of Kitna or Proctor? I’m thinking Proctor because they brought in the new guy right?
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unger
We missed on him by not trading up. Gurode is a big guy, pro bowler, mauler, but it looks like a lot of the penalties are the other O.L. jumping because they expect a crisp snap. Anyone out there with O.L. experience see the same thing or am I off target?
by cowboy1966 on Aug 31, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on history
Can Stanback really be expected to be a ST player throughout the season? His injury history combined with the contact on ST play is not a good mix.
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by Jim Vance on Aug 31, 2009 7:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Stanback has got to go. He can not stay on the field and he has not developed as a WR.
by cowboy1966 on Aug 31, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if there's a chance that Baltimore cuts Evan Oglesby
sure would like to get him back right about now
by sublimezg on Aug 31, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For symmetry?
Oglesby covering Ogletree?
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by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha........
that could get confusing huh?
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very, but no more than
Williams, Williams and Williams.
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by 24Hz on Aug 31, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worse.....
than the Law Offices of Hamlin and Hamlin.
by Road Warrior on Aug 31, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true.....
but I think that the Roy Williams (31 or 38) and Roy E. Williams (11) wins the prize.
by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scandrick covering Stanback
is up there too, more than once I’ve heard their names confused and have done it myself
by scottmaui on Aug 31, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Evans is as good as I started thinking
when he was them last year, I’m sure he’s going to make their roster
by AustonianAggie on Aug 31, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first inclination Raf is to tell you your dead wrong about Stanbach and Watkins
only your past history of being right on things that make no sense to me(drafting Bennett in the 2nd) tells me Im probably wrong. That of course bothers me. I dont see Stanbach as a bust but a project that couldnt stay healthy enough to make it. I see Watkins as an idiot of a football player. With 2 kickers and 3 QBs it just seems roster spots are at a premium this year. i just dont see how the numbers work with them staying without cutting loose some young potential talent.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm not the one picking them
I’m just going off what I see.
Those two guys are on EVERY special teams unit. That usually means something.
by Rafael Vela on Aug 31, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Olgetree has to stick around
He is smart, runs good routes and is quicker than Austin. This guy HAS to stay. JJ and Wade would be idiots to keep Stanback and let Oglesby go. Special Teams or not… Oglesby needs to stick around. It’s about production, not potential.
by torchindefenses on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They can keep Stanback and Ogletree,
but if they keep Watkins then both Courtney Brown and Mickens (one of my pet cats) are gone.
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by 24Hz on Aug 31, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown is toast
Mickens should be safe, but is the most likely guy to make it through waivers and onto the PS.
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by Fighter15 on Aug 31, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown isn't goign to make it
I agree. Mickens has a better shot because he is a rookie with time left.
by AustonianAggie on Aug 31, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont even think Ogletree is in the discussion on who we keep and cut anymore.
His performance putt him in the keeping stack.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he's right
It can’t stand posts where people write definitively like they actually know. Having said that, there’s no way Ogletree gets cut
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said, "I dont think".
I was pictureing Garrett and Wade going though a stack of folders of guys on the bubble and his folder came up and both of them pointing to the keeper stack. Its hard to let a guy go who has proved himself on every level of compitition you have allowed him a crack at.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5 Favorites and Least Favorites
5 Favorite Cowboys
1. Scandrick
2. DWare
3. Colombo
4. MBIII
5. Ratliff
5 Least Favorite Cowboys
1. Jenkins
2. Spencer
3. Proctor/McQuistan whichever backup lineman survives cuts
4. Spears
5. Cricket Anderson
I know 99% of your least favorite will be Carpenter. But my favorites are guys who made the most of their talent. Most of the least favorites are high draft picks who have demonstrated laziness or sloppy play – or haven’t made an impact after being given opportunities to play.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 1, 2009 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If thats your criteria
Romo has to be #1 on your list. Nobody made the most of their talent more than Romo, undrafted from D 1-A college. The players you listed as favs all were drafted.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I would have Romo as my #6. I just like the other guys more. Besides, I think Romo is incredibly talented. He has a Marino-like release and is as mobile as any non-running QB.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 1, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just talking about the quick release
when re-watching the Titan game last night with my son. It’s pretty amazing.
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by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Romo wasn't that talented coming out of college
because if he was, he would have been drafted. All the magic you see with Romo is the product of serious dedication and hard work since he’s been a Cowboy.
Go watch him play back in 2003 during his rookie year and watch him today. It’s like night and day, he definitely made the most from his God given talent and ability.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I can agree
I think he had the innate talent. I don’t think you can teach some of the things he has – quick release, instinctive feel for pressure, the ability to see things at game speed, etc.
I think he wasn’t polished coming out of college. In other words, he needed a lot of work on technique. That’s always the issue with kids coming out of smaller programs – they miss out on some of the better technique coaching. And even the better schools are lacking compared with the NFL.
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by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree dunk
but isn’t that making the most of your talent, working on technique and all the finer details that make players great?
I’m not saying Romo didn’t have innate talent, absolutely, in spades, but I think his dedication to polish the extreme rough edges is making the most of it.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's probably just definitional
waht is “talent”. I think we’re saying bascially the same thing.
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by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Romo, but he is immensely talented.
Wasnt he div II college player of the year. He and Brady are living Proof that the draft is an inexact science.
Did anyone else see that list of all of the non drafted late round QBs have big success in the league. It was about 8 guys and the were all good. Brady, Romo, Cassell, Hasselbach,Bulger, Warner, Delhomme.Shaun Hill and a few others. It was kinda cool.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll add that Romo hasn't developed much since he became the starter
I don’t blame him for that as much as I blame Wade Wilson – the worst QB coach in the league. A guy with Romo’s talent needs a coach who will push him and make him even better.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 1, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its hard for me to say.
His 1st full season as a starter he was very good. His second season, not as good. His 1st season alot of things went right and many guys played at a high level. His second season many things went wrong and more than a few guys under performed. This isnt enough data to go on yet.
I like him and think he is good but i think this season we will get abetter idea of just where he falls.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he developed considerably since signing with Dallas
it’s just that most of it happened way under the radar. There were detailed stories about how he had to remake his delivery, work on footwork, learn how to study film… He is a classic case of how to get a QB ready before throwing him into live action.
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by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was talking about his improvement since he has been starting.
I think he has improved a great deal as a starter but the truth is i dont think I could put it into words to make a valid point. Little things dont always show up and coming off a year like the last one you really have little to back up your point. In other words Im stepping into a gun fight with a knife.
I really feel the growth he has made as a starter will show up in Dec. He has outstanding stats so I dont expect improvement to show up there. It has to be in wins and at chances to win. Not putting your team(D) in bad spots. Taking a sack or throwwing it away.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that there have been small improvements
my only point was that when you spend a ton of time holding the clipboard and working on your game, there’s less to do once you become a starter.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I guess its more refinement.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that kind of stuff comes with expereince
you can’t expect a qb to develop that quickly, qbs take a lot of years to master their craft.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didnt need that least favorite list.
You bash those guys every chance you get.
Jenkins has been here long enough to get a cup of coffee. I tackle is all the bashers talk about.
Spencer has excelled at whats been asked of him. He was acually brought along the right way. His injury slowed him a bit. Spears has started almost every game of his 4 year career and has been steady. Crickett just cant stay healthy. when he has played I havent seen anything bad.
I dont like players making the same mistakes their 3rd year as their 1st year. Watkins gives me a headache. Bigg bothers me some. He is good but you just feel he could be better along the Shaun Andrews line.
What I dont do is hold their draft status against them. They dont chose were they are picked. I dont hold what they make against them. We all want as much as we can get.
My favorites are the guys who feel blessed to be able to play a game for great money and who give back their time. I also like long shots. Guys that have no business being that good. Bruschi comes to mind
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely......
Wonder who will take on the leadership role on defense now that Bruschi is gone? A lot of people under-estimate his tremendous leadership abilities.
by texstar on Sep 1, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many games didthe guy play last year?
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by Seanrude on Sep 1, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh I know that he's pretty well used up but.......
he was an incredible locker room leader from what I’ve heard. Just to be able to come back from a stroke and play is pretty impressive if you ask me.
by texstar on Sep 1, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belichick is the leader of that team
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by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they have multiple leaders
Certainly Belichick appears to set the tone, but guys like Brady and Bruschi also seem to pick up the mantle as well.
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by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Belichick is the leader.....
but apparently you didn’t hear Belichick talking about Bruschi yesterday eh? He even broke up when talking about Bruschi. Bruschi is definitely the type of guy any coach would want in his locker-room along with Brady and company. That’s what has made the Patriots so successful. Not just Belichick, but tremendous leaders inside of that locker room that hold each other accountable.
by texstar on Sep 1, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belichik said it best
He is a guy that always does what he is suppose to do. He held others accountable.
He will be missed but they have a good system and usually bring players along the right way.
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by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks squid.......
for clarifying. I wasn’t saying that Belichick isn’t the leader, but Bruschi will no doubt be missed.
by texstar on Sep 1, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was awesome in Predator.

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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is excellent
I feel better knowing he’s got a second career to fall back on
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by DalaiLuke on Sep 1, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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