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The VRR: Injury Updates; Offensive Lineman Released

Which Cowboys inside linebacker will lead the team in tackles this season? Bradie James or Keith Brooking?

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Which Cowboys inside linebacker will lead the team in tackles this season? Bradie James or Keith Brooking?

While many NFL teams are making cuts to get down to tomorrow's 75-player limit, so far the Cowboys have just made one such move. Today, the team released offensive tackle Andre Douglas. This leaves the Dallas roster at 76. Whether the team releases an additional player or creates room by moving an injured player remains to be seen. Stay tuned.

With six of the twelve draft picks having become the injury bug's target this preseason, the depth chart is getting a little thin behind the starters on defense. The secondary and linebacker positions have taken the biggest hits. Strong safety Mike Hamlin (broken wrist) and inside linebacker Jason Williams (high ankle sprain) are the latest two we can expect to see on the injured list. Both players are expected to miss 4-6 weeks.

Hamlin, a fifth-round choice, broke his right wrist while covering a kickoff in the third quarter. Williams, a third-round pick, sprained his left ankle during 49ers running back Kory Sheets' touchdown run in the third. Hamlin is expected to miss six weeks. X-rays on Williams' ankle were negative.

More VRR after the jump.

Star-divide

It was a scary moment at Cowboys Stadium when FS Alan Ball remained down on the field Saturday night. Fortunately, he popped up and left the game with what is being labeled a neck strain. If he is to miss some action, the team will surely be thin in the secondary. Hopefully, he can make it back soon.

The Cowboys were already short at inside linebacker going into Saturday's game with rookie Stephen Hodge still recovering from an off-season knee scope. Fourth-year veteran Bobby Carpenter is the immediate backup to starters Bradie James and Keith Brooking. With Hodge and Williams out, journeyman linebacker Matt Stewart would be the only remaining healthy body at the position.

As for safety and cornerback, Ball was running with the second team at both positions, and with Hamlin out, his absence would vault rookie Mike Mickens to second-team cornerback and would also leave fellow rookie DeAngelo Smith as a second-team safety. Mickens has struggled since training camp, and Smith is new to the safety position.

Which ILB will lead the team in tackles? A little friendly competition between vets, Bradie James and Keith Brooking, may be brewing.

"Everybody who comes in tries to compete with me," James said. "I’m sure it’s an unspoken competition. I think it’s just us being productive. If I was a coach, it’s not a bad problem to have: two guys being very active and being productive, always getting to the ball. That’s what he [Brooking] does.

"He’s more active than I thought. I’ve only seen him play a couple of times. At that position on the field, it’s the playmaking position, and he fits that mode."

LBs coach Reggie Herring on Big D's two middle men:

"They’re both good players and have their own way of doing things," Cowboys linebackers coach Reggie Herring said. "They both possess good instincts and a nose for the ball. They’re both great competitors. Those are the similarities.

"But Keith has the ability to play fundamentally sound more plays, longer than any guy I’ve ever been around. He’s really efficient, high production, great instincts.

"I think the biggest thing that separates them is that he runs a little bit faster, and he has better capabilities to shed blocks and make blocks as opposed to Zach being more of a run-hit guy. He’s just bigger."

Randy Galloway sees the Cowboys' preseason as "full of positives".

On the flip side of that, Jaime Aron calls the Cowboys "sloppy".

Yahoo!Sports ranks the Cowboys at #9 (fantasy-wise) in their Juggernaut Index.

The NFL Network could always use just a tad more Cowboys' bias, right? Well, now it has it. Michael Irvin will be the new Sunday morning regular on NFL Gameday.

Irvin has already voiced his opinion on whether there will be a quarterback controversy in Philadelphia.

Vick still isn't eligible to play in the regular season, but commissioner Roger Goodell has pledged to review his staus by Week 6. Said Irvin of the potential for a quarterback controversy if Vick returns by then, "I'm not sure you're going to have to wait that long."

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this is a very scary thought
Fourth-year veteran Bobby Carpenter is the immediate backup to starters Bradie James and Keith Brooking.

If one of those guys go down, we’re in for a world of hurt as teams will be able to run on us all day long.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It is,

But if it goes down that way, Bobby either finally plays up to his draft status, or he fails miserably and is finally let go.

by Alexcomestokill on Aug 31, 2009 1:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Id rather trade for an ILB

I know he would fail miserably as an every down ILB, he simply cannot shed blocks well enough.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll be ok

He held down the SOLB pretty well in Ellis’s absence. And he is much tougher than Burnett – who was in consideration for the starting ILB spot.

by JimmyJohnson on Aug 31, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it looks like I found the Bobby Carpenter hater thread....

Keep hating guys….he wasn’t drafted to be the next Ware so get over it….He has been solid this whole preseason so give him a break already..lol…you guys will find anything to compain about when it comes to Carpenter….he is not physical enough, he doesn’t shed blocks very well….blah..blah..get over it… I can pick out the faults of James, Brookings, Spears all day long so whats the point…

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 31, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I see are legit complaints
you guys will find anything to compain about when it comes to Carpenter….he is not physical enough, he doesn’t shed blocks very well….blah..blah..get over it…

That’s the book on Carpenter.

You’re the one who seems to thinks Bobby is something special, and have been touting him from day 1.

These guys are just pointing out the obvious, not rooting for him to fail.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Sep 1, 2009 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could make the same complaints about Burnett, but because he was a 2nd round pick.

We didn’t as much….Burnett didn’t shed blocks well, got washed out by the lineman often but because he wasn’t a high draft pick like Carpenter there wasn’t as much complaining…If Carpenter can do the same things as Burnett, which I think he can do even better than what are you people complaining about. Every player has his faults, no player is perfect. He is doing the things he is suppose to do as a nickel LB, like Burnett was doing when he was here, so whats the complaint? I didn’t hear everyone moaning and groaning that it took 3 years for Burnett to do anything and that he was injury prone. If you guys are expecting Carpenter to be an all world LB because he was drafted in the 1st round get over it because he is not….what he will be is a solid nickel LB and a very good special teams player. This is the first time in 4 years the guy is actually going to get a chance to play on a regular basis….where the heck is the complaints about Spears? The player was drafted in the first round, has started since coming in and hasn’t done anything in four years other than looking good in preseason….can’t have it both ways people…

by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You made a great point about Burnett being so great in this role and

everybody loved him. Carp appears to be as good if not better and he sucks. Difference a couple of hours on a saturday afternoon in April..
Then you throw Spears under the bus. A guy picked later than Carp and who has started about everygame he has been healthy for.(most) going into his 5th year. They whined about Spears for 3.5 of those years. I want a stud in the first round(every round actually) but if I cant get that then I want a 5 year starter who i plug in and go.
Let me get this straight, you like Carp so how he has worked out is ok, you dont like Spears ,who has done more with his career, so he sucks.
Sorry my man, you cant have it both ways. It make you appear pettty and clueless.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 well put squid

Let me add one more thing… the rip on Carp is not that he is a bad nickle backer, it’s that he’s a liability as an every down back. It doesn’t matter which round he came from, nobody is comfortable with him starting. But when you add his “first round” status to the mix, of course he’s gonna get ripped more.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Sep 1, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You make a couple of good points... a couple...

but I put your rants on Bobby Carpenter up there with Terry’s rants on Romo.

The good points are covered up with obvious lovefest you have because of his Ohio State roots.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the difference

is that most criticisms of Romo aren’t justified, Carp’s are.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 2, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well we did find

one Cowboy player that Terry does fall all over like a puppy. ;)

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Sep 1, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But, you are really vocal about this one.

Just my way of tweaking you a little.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Sep 1, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm only vocal to fans

who for some reason think he’s magically going to become a good 3-4 ILB someday, not going to happen.

I’m not a Carp hater, I like him, but he’s playing out of position, he’s really a 4-3 OLB. Hopefully, he’ll sign with a 4-3 team after his contract is up here and maybe save his career.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think as the year goes on he will get better..

He’s done some good things…I’ve been watching him and he does fly around….

I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....

by hashishkabob on Sep 1, 2009 10:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Carp is good in space

which is why he plays the nickel backer position well. He’ll be okay there, but if he has to replace Brooking or James, it will get ugly.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

High ankle sprains

Can sometimes take more than 4-6 weeks to heal

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Aug 31, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CARPENTER WHAT?

if we se this guy on the field anytime other than obvious passing downs then we are in big trouble. ive been hoping this guy would come along but i just dont see it happining. ive watched every play hes been on the field and i see the same thing over and over again. hes super fast, jumps high, dives every play, and flat out tries his best but he just doesnt have any instincts. he is always a second to late or a foot to far to the left or right. brady james is a beast. he runs in head first, knocks blockers down, and always seems to be in perfect position to make the play. he doesnt always make the plays but atleast he knows how to get there. carpenter is always standing strait up while the ball carrier runs by him and then he has to dive or chase somebody down to try to make the play. the first preseason game he had the perfect opportunity to sack the qb on a blitz but ran through the wrong gap and ended up running up the backside of his on d-lineman. brooking ran the same blitz earlier in the night and shot through untouched to get the sack. thats the difference between a super star and a bust. all athleates are capable of making big plays, only a select few are able to put themselves in the right place at the right time to get it done over and over again. anyways thats just my opinion and i pray that im wrong. go cowboys (please god keep them safe and healthy) carpenter is the largest free safety to ever play the game, aj hawk was the only linebacker ohio state had. jk

by slimtothesmith on Aug 31, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Carpenter to a 'T'

You nailed it. Bobbie is fast and strong but his instincts are off.

by alanTdot. on Aug 31, 2009 1:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

No his instincts are good

he just cant shed a block, guards stick to him like they were crazy glued to him. It has nothing to do with instincts.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 31, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

Carp actually has decent instincts, he just isn’t tough or physical enough to play inside…thats the bottom line.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont know ...

He’s definately an athelete. He has the elite size speed combo that you need to play lb in the L, I just think if his instincts were better he would blow up ppl. He never seems to blow up plays, he plays upright and it looks like he needs to take extra time to read and react.
Whatever, I’ll be happy if he gets it this year and can be the nickel backer and a good back up to the ilb starters.

by alanTdot. on Aug 31, 2009 2:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

He is a very good athlete

but that doesn’t mean he’s tough or physical, two completely different things all together. You either have those attributes or you don’t.

Carp I think would be a decent 4-3 OLB where the DL can protect him and allow him to make plays with his speed, however, playing inside in a 3-4, he has to be able to take on OL and he’s not tough enough to mix it up with those big uglies.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 31, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what makes him that more dissapointing...

he plays small…and timid.
If he has to take on lead blocks all game he will have a nervous breakdown.

by rotovibe on Aug 31, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes!

Carpenter plays smaller than he is. Nicely put.

by alanTdot. on Aug 31, 2009 3:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. Whatever the cause, he does play upright and off-balance.

Whether it’s because some OL is standing him up or not completely in position, he doesn’t usually seem to be in a defensive posture.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Aug 31, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought

he had a good preseason. By that I mean I READ that he had a good preseason.

by Elwood62 on Aug 31, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you watch the games again you'll see..

That when our guards got there hands on some lbs the mauled them just as well, so I think all in all we should give carp. A break..

I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....

by hashishkabob on Sep 1, 2009 10:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Brookings and James can shed blocks ... Carp has trouble...

He’s a good nickle linebacker… he’s not a good ILB in this 3-4 … which part of what I just said would you disagree with?

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Sep 1, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I think you have to be blind not to see it.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How bad must Douglas have been...

….to get cut before Proctor? sheesh!

TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long

by Mikhaili on Aug 31, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah that's what I said

I thought I’ve been paying attention and I was like Andre who?

by scottmaui on Aug 31, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto for me

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

Andre Douglas, we hardly knew ye had no clue you were ever on the roster.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 31, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for clarifying Star.....

Cause I didn’t understand who Andre was.

by texstar on Aug 31, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could Octavien move inside?

Don’t rip me, that stuff is over my head. Just asking.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They are accually shorter at OLB than MLB

You have to remember Butler is the back, up and he’s a rookie and not even a high draft choice rookie or one with exceptional talent; in fact, his lack of strength as been some what evident; He does have some quickness, but he is in no what fast for a OLB. Now, I didn’t say all that to dis Butler. I said it because it’s the facts, he has received some biased Cowboy and Dallas area news hype, but for those who believe everything they read, NEWS FLASH: Butler is not a elite athlete, he is a guy who is only in the position he is in because of injuries. I also believe that Brandon Williams would have received more snaps than Butler had he not been injured because he was stronger; Now , the same things I said about Butler also hold for Williams; Both players were tagged as one trick ponies relying mostly on their speed, which isn’t top tier, and lacked the strength to hold up in the run game- but Williams had shown to be less weak than Butler, but maybe a tad slower.

In hind site it appears we should have held on to Ellis; but I’m not going to argue that point. We did what we did, for reason that I don’t have inside information about, and now we will have to work to find the answers.

Question: Why is Hodge having so much trouble getting on the field after a Knee scope? Someone isn’t saying something. I had some what high hopes for this guy, if not this year then in the future with him and Williams after the put on NFL wt and strength that they could be our future MLB.

by bad knees on Aug 31, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mr. knees i think you have to give rookies a break...

They come in with there heads spinning and going off talent I think it takes time for them to work on their trade…I seem to remember ware just had speed and was getting pushed out of a lot of plays..now he’s got the bull rush and a nice spin move and his hands are much improved…..

I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....

by hashishkabob on Sep 1, 2009 11:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not Knocking them for being Rookies,

What I’m saying is these guys are4th round picks. Not that that means anything I know, Rat was a 7th round choice: but that an exception to the rule. I’ve seen it stated on many boards, including this one. 1st rounder are expected to contribute or start there 1st year, 2nd rounders are expected to back up, and possibly contribute. 3rd rounders can be back ups and or be developmental then 4th rounders are developmental, ST, ( except in the case of running backs were I have seen multiple 4th rounders get starts because of talent and injuries) . All that I just stated are generalizations and guide lines for what to expect from a player in their 1st year, and again I state this as a generalization, not a hard core measure of pass or fail.

I’m not knocking either of these guys. I am also not crying over spilled milk about the draft and the release of players. But, in hind site we may have been better served in the draft if we would have traded picks to fill needs ( having to drafting players to fill immediate needs is never the best senario ). !st we should have traded up to get the G/C we wanted. I only state this as the biggest need given what we now know or think we know about Free and because despite Gurode being a Pro Bowler, the position is so crucial to the execution of the offense and the drop off was so great from him to Proctor. Secondly, with the release of Ellis we needed to fill the the spot that Spencer had at back up with the knowledge that Spencer has oft been banged up and missed time due to injury; so the guy/guys we choose had to come in with the ability to contribute for significant downs and possibly start if the need arises.

Now almost all Draft choices need to add bulk and strength and I think Butler and Williams will do just this over a off season or 2; but that does not detract from the fact that we are forced ( maybe, I’m still not convinced someone else doesn’t get reps ) to play Butler at times. I think the way things stand now it will probably be a mixture or Octavian and Butler, I can’t see Octavian with his hand on the ground and , I don’t want to see Butler trying to cover. I don’t know who would have been significantly better that was available in the 3rd round, maybe no one, who knows.

Anyway it is what it is and it’s up top Wizard Wade to make it all work.

by bad knees on Sep 1, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really have enjoyed watching

Brooking’s play. And he can get after the QB as well, which is going to multiply the problem for defenses. Great pick-up, Wade and Jerry. And thanks to DalaiLuke for not killing him off…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

me too and i thought IMMEDIATE UPGRADE over z. thomas...

.. yet so many mediots ::cough BSPN:: equated Brooking to Thomas.

what an idiotic comparison.

Keith is much bigger than Zach and even faster.

the short-sighted, non-thinking fools stupidly made them equal because they both were caucasian, both vets, and both middle linebackers.

what a bunch of buttmunches.

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Aug 31, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Credit

I will say that you have been with him since day one. I haven’t been against him but skeptical to say the least. He’s been looking great.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 1, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted to pull for him...

but you wouldn’t let me (insert 4 year-old pout face)

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 31, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not until you learn

to use the Cat Curse for good and not for evil…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont make dali..angry, you wont like him when hes angry....

He might make you his cat and then your world would fall apart..

I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....

by hashishkabob on Sep 1, 2009 11:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the reminder

I really am walking a fine line here.

Sorry, DalaiLuke!

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AARRRRGGGGGGHHHHH

To Terry, I leave my Romo comic book collection.
To squidlo, my Bill Parcells Backyard Drills DVDs, including Teamwork, Persistence and Long-snapping
To One.Cool.Customer, I leave my solar calculator and green eye shades
To Sharksbreath I leave the Redskins Rally Towel I got at last year’s game (only used once, on my a**)
To badknees, my thesaurus and a pack of spelling flash cards
To Iron Fist of… Oh whatever. I leave you a new name.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dunk, you da greatest :)

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Sep 1, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I left you something too

it should be burning in bag on your front steps right about…. now.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once I get my green eye shades

I’ll change my name to The Incredible Green Lantern and challenge The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB to an all out stat war at noon (gotta make sure that calculator is powered up)

by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 1, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved those eye shades

take good care…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunk, can I have the squirrel corpse?

The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’ll see if I can “dig it out”. Mind if I send it in pieces??

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if you replace some of the limbs with some from the GIJoes.

The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You son of a....

in the words of Drago… I must break you.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 1, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunk, I am truely honored.

The long snapping DVD will be very helpful. My boys need a scholarship at the price of todays education.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kinda bummed

I don’t know if Sharksbreath liked his bequest. You try so hard….

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Binaca maybe?

The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

aaaahhh... the brilliance of Dunk's threads...

… that’s why he’s my pet Cat

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Sep 1, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best part of PreSeason

The Starters have not left the field with the out the lead.

by Sharksbreath on Aug 31, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who are you and what have you done with the real sharksbreath. He never has anything good to say.

On second though, who cares what you did with him. You can take his place

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha!

Score for the squidster.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Choice, uh... injury

I thought I saw it posted in the DMN blog but maybe they were asked to remove it or something, or maybe I’m just missing it now or saw it someplace else, but I think it was Timmy Mac reported that Choice was down in the game due to “man-injury” which was why his teammates were giving him a hard time on the sidelines. I’m actually amazed it doesn’t happen more often lol.

by scottmaui on Aug 31, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Carpenter is a P#$$Y

That’s why he can’t attack. He’s just not tough enough. I’m calling you out Carp. ILB are supposed to be tough, are you tough enough?

by torchindefenses on Aug 31, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

be real for a sec ....

We all would like to see Carpenter play more aggressive. But truthfully, I would not call him any names. He might not be an all pro – or even a starter! – but he will leave you picking up your teeth from out of a pool of your own blood ……

by alanTdot. on Aug 31, 2009 3:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

You'

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops! You're right AlanTDot

Not being solid at the point of attack doesn’t necessarily say much about his mental toughness. He may also just lack lower body strength and the ability to use proper leverage.

I think it’s odd that people assume they know something about a person after watching them for a few brief seconds at a time on television.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not going to argue with you about his toughness, I just don't know but......

the comment about seeing him only a few breif secs on TV after 4 years sure leaves a lot of things open to discussion.

by bad knees on Aug 31, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not debating his skills on the field

If he were worthy of his draft status I would think he’d be a starter by now, so he’s not. I’m only commenting on drawing conclusions about a player’s character based on seeing him play (and not much of that). It’s a reach to say the least.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunkman the coaches

and management have answered the Carpenter question for us. How many linebackers do we need to draft not to mention FA signings before it finally sinks in? Call it mental/physical toughness, instincts whatever. The bottom line is he sucks at the ILB position and he plays the weak side at that. Compare Brookings play to Carpenter’s and you’ll see what I mean.

by jevans1729 on Aug 31, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what you are trying to say

I basically said the same thing – the coaches don’t believe he’s a starting-quality 3-4 LB.

I am only making a single point about Carpenter and really about players in general. It may be mental toughness, but it’s reach to assign that as the reason without any real basis. I’m not sure why a lot of fans need to make less than adequate performance into a character issue. I’m sure it is sometimes, but probably mostly it’s just something they lack physically or in the way they see and react to the game on the field.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you mean

I’m not sure why a lot of fans need to make less than adequate performance into a character issue

I keep telling my wife this very thing!

by bad knees on Aug 31, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know...

There’s nothing to stop your wife from lurking here!

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know...

That doesn’t stop a lot of the posters on the interwebs… Not on BTB of course. Here we are all well informed and reasonable.

by Chris in Va on Aug 31, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was responding to

your earlier post (5:19). I can see we pretty much agree as respects performance. I, for one, am not trying to attack Carp’s character. I agree that people use the “mental toughness” line a little too freely. I just get so pissed when we miss on a #1 pick. Now it seems like the coaches are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken something else.

by jevans1729 on Aug 31, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poster attack players personally all the time

Carpenter, Procter, Stanback. I’ve never understood that. These people are trying to make a living and just aren’t great football players. They’re still 1000% better than anyone posting here.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 31, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this concept of more than 100 % always confuses me...

100% is TWICE as much as original, right? (as in 100% improvement) And 200% is Twice as much as 100%, right? … then you’d have 4 times right there… and than what happens at 300% ???

Where are those opium dens when you need one?

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Sep 1, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For English Fanatics Everywhere ...

NOT “than” … “then”

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Sep 1, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You and One.Cool

should do a fanpost on this. It may only have limited football utility, but it would be hilarious…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy as 1 2 3
  • An increase of 100% in a quantity/quality means that the final amount is 200% of the initial amount (100% of initial + 100% of initial = 200% of initial); in other words, the quantity/quality has doubled.
  • An increase of 200% means the final amount is 3 times the original (100% + 200% = 300% = 3 times as large).
  • An increase of 300% means the final amount is 4 times the original (100% + 300% = 400% = 4 times as large).

Hmmmm… looking at the above, I wonder if I should get out more often ….

by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 1, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DalaiLuke

can recommend some great opium dens when you do get the urge…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This assumes you’re playing at 100% to start?

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When speaking of a percentage increase or decrease, the usual assumption is that this is relative to the initial value of that quantity/quality.

by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 1, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's how I figured it

and how I got “11 times better!”

by Realist Larry on Sep 1, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Missing on a pick is frustrating

and I really thought Carp was a great choice when he was selected, so that shows what I know. But overall the team has been improving it’s selection process so if nothing else, we can look forward to better days ahead.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 1, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carp is none of hundred or so picks

that didn’t exactly perform to expectations. To expect to pick perfect everytime is pie in the sky. Experts sound good in theory, and every scouting report is just someone else’s opinion, and the combine can give glimpses at potential, but until a player puts on the pads, no one really knows. No matter how much time, effort and study you put into the draft, it is still a crap shoot. If Carp had turned out to be a stud, we would all be talking about what a freaking genius Parcells was and how stupid Jerry was for wanting to pass on him.

When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.

by GunsUp on Sep 1, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was he ever given a fair look at OLB? He had that game in Seattle everyone got excited about. His problem now seems to be shedding blockers in space, maybe up closer to the line of scrimmage he would have done better. Isn’t that where he was drafted to play?

I don’t disagree with people who say he’s a bust as an ILB in a 3-4. I"m not sure he’s been put in a great position to succeed though.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really

3-4 OLB also have to shed blocks as well. He really needs to be playing for a 4-3 team outside so he can use his speed and athleticism in space.

In a 3-4, linebackers have to mix it up with the big boys and that isn’t Carps game.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This just in,

if you play in the front 7 you have to shed blocks. You have to hold up at the point of attack.
He doesnt seem to have that raw strength or play with the right levrage. Probably a little of both.
I was a guy that wanted to give him a chance until yr 3. He didnt get it done. Im happy he looks to be good in coverage. I want to see what 8 games of getting regular reps does for his game before i write him off.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4-3 LBs are protected much more

by their DL than 3-4 LBs, thats just a fact. 4-3 LBs are usually smaller, but more fast and athletic than 3-4 LBs as a result. They can fly around and make plays without having to take on OL, especially if the DL does their job.

Carp wouldn’t have to take on OL nearly as much as he’s required to do here in a 4-3 defense and as a result, I think he’d have better success.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he strikes me as a

weak side OLB in the 4-3 set.

by Joey2zs on Sep 1, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasnt that his position at OSU.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Sep 1, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand he would have to shed blocks

That’s obvious. My point is, it may not be his strength. He may do better up close. The leverage is all different there. If it was just a matter of strength, that’s correctable.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry, I get your point

I just keep coming back to he had a least one game as an OLB that got people excited. It seems like Parcells was more interested in using Ellis in that position and it’s a shame we’ve never gotten to see if that was a better fit for a high draft choice.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

He never should have moved to ILB to begin with but for whatever reason, the coaches liked him better inside.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Sep 1, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pool?

What Barbie can’t beat an OG so you think he can stuff a lifeguard?

by birdness on Aug 31, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Until he proves that he's actually a LB and can hit

and give punishment, I say he’s a P$%$Y. If not, show it. LB’s are supposed to be tough minded individuals that deliver semi-truck hits. May be he should have tried out for water polo instead.

by torchindefenses on Aug 31, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Update on the depth in the secondary.

Cowboys sign 2 CBs—DeAngelo Willingham and Jeremy Haynes.

The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 31, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We're gonna get us some DeAngelo one way or the other...

I wonder what this means for the Cinci boys.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 31, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think it means much.

If the Cowboys rest TNew, Jenkins, and Scandrick for much of the Minnesota games, these guys will just insure that they don’t have to play them should something happen to Brown or Mickens.

The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 31, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

game

The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Aug 31, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay, thanks...

never even occured to me… but 20/20 hindsight is clear

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 31, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wade said he didn't have enough DBs to even play nickel in the SF game

That’s why we stayed in the base 3-4 at the end of the game…not enough DBs.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Sep 1, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't think of this

but it was a trend all through the preseason.

by Musiccitynorm on Sep 1, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now wait just one minute

fascinating. 2% to 3% of all pro Cornerbacks are named DeAngelo. Was there a famous DeAngelo doing someting about 25 or 26 years ago?

by Joey2zs on Sep 1, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just read on the Giants blog that Uminora has walk out with out telling anyone.

Supposively his new DC critized him. I also read where the fans dont neccessarily think to much of him so far.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Think much of the new DC.

Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway

by squidlo97 on Aug 31, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How Scary was that Troy Defense?

Ware, Umenyiora, and McKelvin. They must’ve been a terror in division 3 and a half (or wherever Troy plays).

by JimmyJohnson on Aug 31, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize

They also played HS ball together in Auburn. THAT had to be scary at the HS level. How horrible is Auburn’s recruiting to miss the 2 best defensive players in the NFL playing in their backyard.

by JimmyJohnson on Aug 31, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I didn’t know that.

Maybe it’s a case that Troy’s coaching staff deserves a lot of credit, and not so much that Auburn’s recruiting sucked. (They did find recruit Ronnie Brown and Cadillac)

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 31, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NYG and Philly

both changing D-Coordinators. I’m sorry for Jim Johnson he was elite. Both these Ds are going to take some lumps. How could they possibly improve by getting new coaches?

by AustonianAggie on Aug 31, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'll be rough, for sure

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 31, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow Irvin and Deion together.

That will be entertaining t.v..

by houseofprime on Sep 1, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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