Cowboys Camp: Things That Make Me Go Hmmm
by Rafael Vela on Aug 4, 2009 8:45 AM CDT
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PrintThe league suffered a nasty rash of serious injuries yesterday. Torn ACLs. Torn Achilles tendons. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the good -- for all teams actually -- and tending to some injury business here. My mom is having a shoulder scoped, so I'm not hitting camp until Wednesday.
In the meantime, here are two headlines which have intrigued me.
1. The possible value of Matt Stewart. His name floated under my radar, until I saw that he's long snapping. Then I understood -- if he's good at it, he can make the two kicker project work. Stewart is a special teams linebacker, in the Justin Rogers/Bobby Carpenter mold. He's surely battling a guy like Rogers for a spot. If he can snap on punts and extra points, he could also replace L.P. Ladouceur, and create that extra special teams spot for the extra kicker.
He'll have to be good however. L.P. is an awfully good snapper. Stewart gets extra attention this week.
2. This injury report seems fishy. The Redskins are downplaying a Synvisc injecton new DT Albert Haynesworth took in his left knee. Haynesworth said he could and would play if the regular season was underway. Head coach Jim Zorn described the procedure as a preventative, saying,
"[Synvisc is] like a brace," Zorn said. "It's like a cushion. It gets you through two-a-days, basically. It doesn't stay in there forever. It dissipates. It helps cushion your knee if you got any abrasions or any kind of grinding going on. . . ."
The Synvisc site is pretty clear about its purpose:
In knees with osteoarthritis, the joint fluid (called synovial fluid) can break down and not provide the cushioning your knee needs. Synvisc-One supplements your knee fluid to relieve the pain and improve the knee joint’s natural shock absorbing abilities.
I asked a surgeon if Synvisc injections were something a healthy player would get as a preventative? He told me, "no. If you make an injection into a healthy joint, there's always the risk of infection or bleeding. You could actually cause damage where there is none."
Haynesworth was a worthy foe last year. He should again be the run-stuffing, pocket-destroying force the Redskins envision. We'll see when the games start. I know I would rather not have the word osteoarthritis hovering around my shiny, new, big-ticket signing.
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It almost sounds like malpractice if they are actually treating the knee in this manner as a preventive measure.
Hint
I don’t think it’s a healthy joint. He said he’s had these injections the last two seasons. I think Haynesworth has some degree of arthritis in that knee.
It's definitely not a healthy joint
I have osteoarthritis in both of my knees and my orthopedic surgeon has suggested this procedure to me, however, I choose not to get it. My knees have been shot for years after several operations.
It sounds as though Haynesworth has bad knees and this condition will definitely shorten his career.
In Romo we Trust
Terry, is that what causes you to write with a limp?
(j/K!)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
You don't give anyone Synvisc shots if you are healthy
End of discussion
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
But there's a different standard for professional athletes
Of course you wouldn’t give any “normal” person a shot they didn’t require and I"m sure he’s got some wear on his knees. The question I have is what is this apt to indicate; how bad are his knees apt to be? Players get medical procedures all the time that you and I wouldn’t (e.g., ever have an IV at halftime so you can finish mowing the lawn?). Teams and players do things all the time that most of us wouldn’t consider normal.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 4, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Very true..
But I can’t help but think that his 6’ 6" 250 pound frame has placed an awful lot of stress on his knees. I also believe that Synvisc is not a “routine” thing done to all athletes…
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
Maybe its an experiment to add some longevity to these big guys.
Their is no doubt his knees wil be sawdust in 10 years. Maybe this buys him an extra time. Things always get tried out on athletes first. I mean can you think of a better testing ground. If it works on him it should work on a 70 year old man.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
No way
I’m a medical student, and this post almost made me laugh out loud. There’s no way they’d use an experimental treatment on the highest paid defensive player in the league. That’s not how experimental treatments work, because in an experiment you have no idea what is going to happen.
At any rate, it seems like this is a well-established procedure for people that have problems, rather than for those trying to avoid them.
+1
These drug studies are conducted well before these medications actually go to market.
Synvisc , and other medications like it, have only been FDA approved in the past 10-12 years.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
Well you just dont know athletes do you. They have proven time and time again they will
taken anything to gain an edge. I didnt mean experimental as in a scientific study. I mean if an athlete could get better or extend his career by taking something he would have no problem doing so scientifically proven or not. You can bet your ass every fat ass lineman with bad knees will be watching closely. You can also bet every Head coach and Owner will be watching as well. If he has some success, buy stock cause it will be second only to erectile dysfunction drugs amongst men over 50.
Remember other things said by the medical people such as “steroids dont enhance athletic performance.”
I work at a teaching facility and Medical students are scary. They seemed to think they know way more than they really do. Thats why July is the worth month to go to the hospital. New residents right outta school thinking they no more than anyone without a MD behind their name.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
I agree, if the concept makes sense, someone will try it
If some broken down former all pro thinks he can patch himself up and play another year using the stuff, then he’ll gladly play guinea pig. And coaches and owners will help them get it if they think it’ll get them another win. I’m sure you can find plenty of experimental and non-approved uses of prescription drugs among NFL players.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 4, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, maybe not
Yes, I agree there’s a different standard, but those knees are just made more valuable by his profession. It doesn’t mean he’d be in the right getting unneeded invasive procedures that come with high risk. If this is a preventive measure, why haven’t we heard of other athletes getting similar injections in a preventive fashion?
That said, I would be curious to hear what a sports physician has to say about this as a preventive therapy, rather than just “a surgeon.”
A healthy knee is valuable but how many 28-35 year old
320+lb football players have healthy knees. How many 300lb regular people have healthy knees.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
just as side info , I concur that players are threated to a different standart,
my wife is a nurse at outpatient surgery center and for the last few months the whole Raiders team went through with some sort of a procedure, they can’t be all hobbling down all the time, so some of those got to be preventive. As for the Redskins they should be afraid very very afraid, even for an uninformed man as me it smells fishy.
A lot of knee problems, been offered these shots:
They’re not ‘preventive,’ except that they might slow down slightly the process of attrition in the joint.
Basically they are a time-buyer, they deal w/the symptoms and allow someone to put off surgery. They reduce pain/swelling, but don’t correct the problem.
I didn’t want them, because the benefits can vary and there were no guarentees, and there were possible problems that could arrive.
BUT, if I were a pro athlete, I’d do this. You only have so many years, so as long as you can prolong that, and put off surgery (I assume he’s going to need more than a litle ‘scope’)
the better for the short term.
by Realist Larry on Aug 4, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Larry, this is exactly what I mean.
Buy yourself and extra year and you bought yourself another couple of million. Think about it. These are athletes.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
Is it from the same leg
that he tried to crush Gurodes skull with after he got owned?
"Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain
will never forget this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5nlEA8BUTQ
"Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain
I see your point about Matt Stewart,
but L.P. has been money for us. I’m sure they’ll keep him unless Stewart is just as good.
This year should be interesting: we’ll also be keeping a 3rd QB and a 2nd K on the roster. One of those spots can be had by only keeping 10 DBs (we kept 11 last year). We also kept 11 OL last year and that may turn into 10.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Stewart made the team along with LP.
Versatile guys are the thing this year. Of course, that would spell Cowboy doom for Rogers or one of the rooks.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Or Jeff Condon?
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 7, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Forgot him....
I was listening to WIP and they were talking about all the Eagles had done in the last decade. And they came up with the first team in the East to go 6-0.
Didn’t Dallas do it before Arizona moved out of the East?
I hope they don't get rid of L.P.
He has been an awesome deep snapper. Why mess with a good thing? There has got to be a way of keeping the two kickers and L.P.
we never hear about L.P.
which is exactly what you want. when has he ever made a bad snap, or even a so-so one? none that I know of. He is the most valuable invisible player we have. if Steward can be almost as good and save the roster spot, it is worth considering, but if the extra spot can be squeezed out by keeping 5 WRs, 10 oline, etc having an ultra-reliable long-snapper is worth the spot.
So this is the way it could break down:
6 DL, 9 LB, 10 DB, 9OL, 5WR, 3TE, 1FB, 3RB, 3QB, 4ST
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I'm gald we have people who do this stuff
it’s just too much math for me.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I did double check my figures,
but that still doesn’t necessarily mean that those numbers actually add up to 53!
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I'm all for it If Stewart proves that he's as good or at least damn close
But if he’s not real close behind L.P. then I’ll pass. We’re trying to improve special teams not worsen them.
I'd imagine squat
What would you be willing to give up for a long snapper that doesn’t do anything else? I’d be reluctant to even send you a cheesecake.
Yeah, until
your long snapper dribbles one back in the playoffs. Ask the Giants.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
L.P
If it aint broke dont fix it. He is one of the players who does his job well, Stewart has never done it in a game. Stewart has not played in 2 years.
Case in point: we call him LP because nobody even knows how to spell his name.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Here we go
Loo-ee Pee yerr la doo Serr
by I_miss_Switzer on Aug 4, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I've had synvisc injections
As my name sujests I have bad knees and recieved an injection of this maybe4 years ago ( had to pay for it myself 720 buck, jeez, now I think its aproved by insurance companies). Anyway, worked great for about ni ne months. If he got this injection he definately has bad knees; but have the money NFL players have I guess one could use it for a faster recovery after a scope, I don’t know how it would effect the healing/ inflamatory process ( I’m an RN not a DR) .
And best of luck to your mom, Raf
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
+3
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Aug 4, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
+7
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
+6
Pet Cats 2009: Micheal Hawkins and Isaiah Stanback
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 4, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's one.cool when we need a math lesson???
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Now my +1 looks so ... well... insignificant.
(We luv ya Raf … and you’re mom too!)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
AAAAhhhh.... and I called myself the English Police!
you’re = your
(where’s my coffee?! – early here)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Do you have one of those
Bobby helmets?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
How old is Stewart?
He turns 30 this month.
JP is 27. And he’s locked into a reasonable LT contract.
Stewart, being an 8 year vet, is going to have relatively high minimum salaries, especially if we want to keep him around. How long do we want to keep paying higher rates just so we can have a guy who can cover kickoffs? Can’t Beuhler do that too?
We are lucky to have JP locked up long term. He hasnt missed a snap in 3+ years that I recall. How easy we forget the times we searched for a good one. Paying ancient Jeff Robinson ridiculous smack because he was the only competent one we could find.
I really hope we don’t cut JP. Nothing wrong with a contingency plan if he gets hurt. But young, excellent long snappers are not to tossed away lightly. They are harder to replace than one might think.
I Think They're Just Looking at Options
Because with three QBs and two kickers keeping a pure long snapper becomes something of a luxury.
They would be foolish to just dump Ladouceur to create a roster spot, but they would be equally foolish not to look around to see if they can find a double-duty guy like Jeff Robinson.
Redskins Misery Makes Me Happy
Almost as happy as Eagles misery. Poor Danny Snyder.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Aug 4, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions
It's a touchy thing though to wish injuries on other teams
I’m not big on karma, but that seems like playing with fire a little.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 4, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I don’t want to see any player hurt on any team.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Let's not get carried away here
I only said I wouldn’t wish for them. If they happen, I still reserve the right to be slightly happy. :)
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Injuries
I have to agree. I would never root for an injury because I believe that is really low, but when the Eagles lose their MLB who was trying to make a tackle (a TC strategy that the Eagles fans advocated for so strongly), I can’t help but appreciate the karma thrown towards the Eagles.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Absolutely. If Brandon Jacobs sprained his tongue or broke his jaw I might get a little giddy.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
I would never wish an injury on a player..
..never.
However, if a player already has an injury, and a knuckle-head overpays that injured player by giving him $100 million, I reserve the right to take some fiendish delight in that knuckle-head’s pain.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Raf, isn't this Shadenfreude?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Am I gloating?
hardly. This is big news to me, however. This guy got an insane contract and he’s getting injections of synthetic synovial fluid before he plays a down.
F&^%$CK EM
Eagles fan cheared while Irvin was almost paralyzed in the turf. If Donovan McCrapp breaks his arm or Brandon Jacobs suffers knee injuries I’ll be the happiest motherf^&$cker alive….you can bet on it.
this is funny, but true
I think you can feel for Haynesworth and simultaneously be silently cheering for Snyder and the skins’ misfortune.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
feel what for him?
He gets single paychecks that are larger than combined years of my salaries. So… uh… F him and his gimpy knee. So he’s got a hitch in his giddy up. Big deal.
I have a bulging disc, a broken foot, a reconstructed knee, annoying love handles and i’m losing an enjoyable battle with booze… where are the sorrow and tears for me?
Let’s say the most I ever made in a year was $150… and he makes $16mm year, right? So that means he makes $250,000 a quarter of every game. $100k more than I’ve made in a great year.
Living your life is more important than the NFL. No need for sorrow.
And anyway, it’s karma. Haynesworth stomped Gurode and Danielle Syder is a demon from hell.
L.P.
I remember a few years ago when the Cowboys tried to go cheap on the long snapper position. After one year of snapping miscues, they learned their lesson and signed Jeff Robinson to a large (for a LS) contract. It would be nice to save a roster spot, but if our special teams takes one step forward and two steps back, we haven’t saved anything.
LP
We dont need to get rid of him. Period. Anyone remember the hell we went through when we got rid of Dale Hellestrae? Man….we mucked around for a while until LP came along. We DO NOT need to worry about our long snapper.
Since you asked.
I’ve got a rt shoulder labrum tear and 2 rotator cuff tears in the left.
What can I do to get back to competition level with the minimum of surgeries?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Gotta sports specialist that made the diagnosis
He’s the Ortho for the Blue Jays and TB Lightning. Said I had a torn labrum (which I knew about for 2 years, but has been manageable via rehab) and the 2 new tears came from a sublexation on the left, which I cannot control the pain and can only practice every 3rd day.
I can’t afford both surgeries (I need at least one arm) and was thinking about just repairing the two torn RCs first, but would sure like to live without the constant ache from the labrum on the right.
No worries though…not seeking medical advice, just an opinion.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
With the subluxation
If it keeps happening over time, the shoulder will just come out of socket with almost no pressure or anything. It might even happen while you sleep. The shoulder needs to be operated on at that point . Do you do strengthening exercises for the RC??
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
Yes, but...
It comes out nearly every night. Constant weakness and pain. (I’ve had shoulder reconstruction, on the rt…where the labrum is (all 4 tendons)) and the symptoms are the same.
I was thinking of getting another cortizone shot (WD-40 for the human body) but I’ve already had 4 and every surgeon is VERY reluctant.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Cortisone
Just helps the pain for 2 weeks and goes away. It doesn’t address the real issue
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
True, but pain go bye-bye is very welcome
even if temporary.
But that shot hurts like a bee-ach.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
You might end up doing neurological damage to the shoulder if it keeps happening
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
I don't think that's true
if people here can evaluate Romo’s lifestyle, daily schedule, interpersonal skills, and internal motivation, surely you can do something as simple as evaluate Fighter15’s shoulder using some sort of “vague feeling” or “srong opinion”. You’re just not trying hard enough. I assess you are playing too much golf and maybe drinking too much Grey Goose.
See how easy that is? OK, now back to my on-line phrenology course.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
You are right on all accounts
Save for the Grey Goose…strictly Stoli for me.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Anything more than Stoli is just labeling
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Stoli probably works better than the steroid shots.
And it’s definitely a performance enhancer…
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I see a strict diet of beer and potato chips in your future :)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
It's worked.
I’m as plump and happy as ever.
My game’s gone to hell, but I’m happy.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
and to lessen the wear and tear on your arm..
..cut back on the porn.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Sorry
wife is undergoing Chemo and Menopause…
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Oops
Sorry man. No offense intended of course.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
No offense taken
but I need a release…so no can do.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Sorry...you're right
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
shame, shame ... for shame
…better stick with the chips and beer – and soon to be entire weekends dedicated to FOOTBALL
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
not a good condition to have
I think the price tag was too high for him if you consider how these types of injuries affect their overall “effetiveness” in the long run.
But that is FA for you, good for him but the Redskins must still be looking at their wallet wondering how fast that money went.
I don’t think he will ride out his contract. He hit at the right moment in the market and got a payday.
But I have to question his longevity with that kind of condition. He will be released before he gets renewed probably. If he’s fortunate enough to get to the contract year.
Raf does this kind of explain why the Titans looked a little too reserved to the idea that
he would not be coming back to the team? I know the skins were tampering but once the titans put out their last offer FA period started and it looks like this might have been a concern of theirs.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
He's got bad knees
You have to believe that some of it is from the excess weight he carries around
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
As dominant as he is, I think the end will come quickly for him
He is a total freak, dominates the middle of the line. Once he starts breaking down or losing a little strength, I’ll think he’ll quickly become a liability. As long as his check has cleared from Danny Boy, I kinda hope it happens this year.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 4, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
couldn't agree with you more...
One of life’s greatest pleasures is watching the skins suffer.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
They have Dan Snyder
anything else is just piling on…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I have a friend that used to work with Snyder, and HATES the arrogant bastid...
This friend is also a Giants fan… I’m sure, no matter how he feels about Haynesworth (how can you not feel bad for the guy – he’s just trying to do his job?) … but he’s psyched to see yet another Snyder wad of cash come into question.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
How did this thread move to Todd Archer??
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Think I get the ortho double for this post...
8/07 – L Shoulder scope – torn labrum, torn rotator cuff, bone spurs. Ortho said it was ‘a mess.’ Weightlifting, not acting my age. Raf – the key is physical therapy. Especially if she had ‘frozen shoulder.’ Gotta do the reps, stretching even/especially if they hurt. Good luck. I’d say now mine is now about 80%, much better than I thought it could get. Vicodin will be her friend.
1/07 – Rt knee scope(2nd surgery)
5/07 – Synvisc injections for 3 months. Some relief, not that much
12/08 – Partial replacement. Believe I am the only member of BTB to post a Comment from a hospital recovery room.
Agree w the consensus, you only take this medication for significant arthritis. He will be playing with pain the rest of his career. Problems come with ROM loss, swelling and inability to bear weight. His conditioning could take a hit if he’s relegated to recumbent bikes to keep the swelling down. I will say the regular cortisone shots did provide a lot of relief for up to 90 days.
'Kade Out!'
Exactly-some relief for 3 months, not that much...
while someone above posted they got 9 months relief.
I’ve been turning that option down, not big on having artificial stuff injected into a problem joint. When I can’t walk anymore, I’ll try surgery # 3, and then wait for the knee replacement.
That is if I can still get after you-know-who’s done in DC……..
by Realist Larry on Aug 4, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
PT is definitely the key
I had my right shoulder reconstructed in 12/07 – two torn tendons in the rotator cuff, torn labrum, plus some inpingement. I then went through 5 months of PT, approximately 35 sessions or so. At first, it was 3x a week, then 2x, and then 1x for the last month. I’ve played sports just about my entire life, and I’ve had countless injuries (mostly minor), and rehabbing my shoulder was one of the roughest things I’ve ever been through. I would leave the sessions drained and drench in sweat, even though I had done very little on my own. My PT said that rehabbing a shoulder injury is about the hardest rehab there is, both from the patient’s perspective and the PT’s perspective. But it was worth it. I have 100% of my strength back, and probably 90-95% range of motion.
This has been an education
I didn’t even know guys HAD labrum…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
You have two labrums..
One in the hip and one in the shoulder….
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/2009/07/12/2009-07-12_xray_vision.html
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
It was a lame joke
Feel free to disregard…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
The league suffered a nasty rash of serious injuries yesterday. Torn ACLs. Torn Achilles tendons.
who tore ther achillies tendon??
Panthers DT
DT Maake Kemoeatu, Panthers, 30 minutes into 1st practice. That is tough.
by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 4, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yikes
what a shame… thats really unfortunate
by CowboysFan4Life on Aug 4, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That feels like you got shot
Or someone hit you in the back of the leg with a baseball bat
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
I've got two brothers that have had this happen - both playing sports w/out stretching enough.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
But usually
it has weakened over time and then goes.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
It can also just go at any moment
The risk increases being over age 35
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
From what I understand, ligaments and tendons require more time to properly stretch
… most guys can barely handle keeping a stretch for 30 seconds, let alone the 5-10 minutes it takes to fully stretch your ligaments and tendons.
Mullin, any thoughts on preventive stretching for calfs / achilles for us old boys?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
You really can't "stretch" a ligament on your own
They are inelastic material.
You need to stretch out for about 5-10 minutes… static stretching should be held for 15 to 20 seconds for each time you do it
Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old
As well as Reggie Kelly on the Bengals
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Twitter alert....76 players in pads today.....
out are Anderson Stanback (again), Coleman and Hawkins..
how long can Stanback afford to sit out and still have a shot?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
hopefully, not long..I wouldve cut his butt a long time ago.....
Hurd has already made the statement as being the #4 WR. He has looked real good so far. I think he can push Crayton for the 3rd spot. The question is the #5 spot? Jeffereson appears to be the odd on favorite right now….Stanback is hanging on by a thread at this point..
I think Ogletree is ahead of Jefferson at this point
Preseason games will decide the 5th wr spot.
Regarding Stanback, I know you’re a hater, but he’s sticking around until the final cuts unless the hammy gets worse.
In Romo we Trust
not according to the reports im seeing.....I follow the twitter play by play from DC.com
and he has made plays everyday..not much from Ogletree…Jefferson continues to beat coverage and has impressed..
Reading the live updates every day since camp started
I’d say I’ve seen Ogletree’s name pop up far more than Jeffeson. I think Ogletree had his first and only drop of camp today which is pretty impressive. Ogletree>Jeffereson
Ogletree doesn't look too shabby either, for a smaller WR.
They also have been putting Willie Reed everywhere—PR, KR, WR. He catches what’s thrown at him, too.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, next to all the other guys he looks small.
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
probably, but he's done!.....
At best he will be the #5 WR…he has ZERO chance of beating out Hurd for the #4 spot. Hurd has tore it up so far and getting a nice repor with Romo…..like I said, the #5 spot will be inactive more than active anyways…..
If the guy is realistic, he's just hoping to make the roster
So I don’t think it would be that bad for him to be behind Hurd. Hurd is in what, his 3rd or 4th year? I think his days in Dallas are numbered too. Even with a really good camp and being #4 this year, his very suceptible to a younger guy with upside.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 4, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
GOOD
riddance, stop wasting time and roster space on this guy!!!
by thruthicknthin on Aug 4, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone know who the Reporter doing the CBS Sports Rapid Reports
for their website is? There is one for every team.
August 4 1:04 ET
To answer an e-mail from Larry about CB’s Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick: Both have done a fine job thus far but Jenkins has been the starter and Scandrick is playing the all-important “nickel” spot this first week.
August 4 12:35 ET
Cowboys’ RB Felix Jones looks much more comfortable fielding kickoffs than he does punts. As a punt returner he appears to struggle adjusting to the ball and he tends to fight it. When he returns kicks, it is a much cleaner catch.
August 4 12:29 ET
In the Cowboys’ personnel meetings, there has already been some discussions among the staff on how this roster would be used on game day. With two kickers, a punter and a deep snapper, that’s four spots for players who do one job.
August 4 12:15 ET
As the Cowboys make their way to the field for the only practice of the day, full pads is the dress of the day. QB coach Wade Wilson is out on the field early with QB’s Stephen McGee and Rudy Carpenter.
Some from today so far.
Bryan Broaddus
Apparently, he’s sitting next to Tim MacMahon of the Dallas Morning News in the press zone of the Alamodome
by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 4, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Me 2.
The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Aug 4, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
How many good backs
would we need in order to put Felix back there? I mean… Isn’t that the point of having depth at a position?
I say make the commitment to special teams…
McGruber!
I know what you mean
I’m torn by it.
If he can get used to it and really excel, it’ll be great. And injuries can happen anytime, including KO returns, which he’s probably going to do.
As far as how many backs-I’m in the minority who thinks Jones is more valuable than Barber-I’d like to see him start and get the majority of carries……so that effects my thinking
by Realist Larry on Aug 4, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you that Felix should get more looks
But i see it this way.. PR or KR is offensive yards really.. the better he does on returns the shorter the O has to go meaning less plays for him to be on the field. So i think hell take the same punishment no matter what or maybe even less.. ie return for a TD
What the French?! Toast!
I wonder why they don't try Choice out as the punt returner
At least during camp, to see if he might be an option.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
He seems better working in tight traffic...
…and hitting holes that way, the way Emmitt used to. Do you think he’d be good as a PR? I’m not sure he woulnd’t, it just didn’t strike me as a perfect fit for his style.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I was thinking more about his vision
I have no idea if he’d be any good, just thinking why pile KR,PR, and more on Felix, if Choice could handle the duties. Seems like they would at least try him out back there.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
I think Choice is more expendable, too.
Sorry, TC!
He’s a stud, but if they’re committed to Barber as the main back and Jones as the change of pace back, that leaves Choice as the backup.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 4, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I would take a look at Choice at PR
I know he doesn’t have the text book look, but I also know he would surprise people. Just like he did last year running the ball when finally given a chance. He’s never gonna be a guy who looks great on measurables, but he sure looks like a guy who will get the job done.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 4, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I also like this idea
Anyone described as having “wiggle” seems to qualify for a look as our punt returner.
And put me down as against having Felix back there. He’s far more valuable to our offense, as I believe this year will prove.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Tiki used to do it, and guys like Westbrook and Steve Smith still do at times
Let’s not put Felix in the HOF yet. Backup RBs who have return game talent should certainly be used in that role. You protect guys like Emmitt, Adrian Peterson, etc.— top tier guys are the only ones who should get totally spared from special teams contributions. I understand that we don’t want Felix to get hurt, but you hurt the team by babying him or protecting him on the sideline, particularly if he’s not even our starting RB. Eventually you’ve gotta let him play. Guys will get hurt at times— it happens. But you can’t coach scared.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
What if Felix takes the Julius Jones role?
I was thinking about that this morning. Felix is the only one of the 3 with breakaway speed, so there is talk that he might become the “starter”, or “opener”, as I like to call it. It makes sense, because having him in there means that any D that risks an 8 or 9 man front exposes themselves to his speed should he get outside or into the secondary. With Barber and Choice, they can do that and feel secure that neither will likely score before someone catches them.
But if he does take that role, I don’t know that I would want him to continue to return kicks. I think his injury really affected the way this offense worked last year because there was no fear for the other teams, especially with TO less effective. No one else is going to run away from you except maybe Miles Austin, if he is on the field.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 4, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well put, Felix should be considered equivalent to a starter
He isn’t yet in the same league as Emmitt or LT, but I think we’ve got something special.
Not to mention, he is having trouble with judging kicks and holding on… sorry, just not buying.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I know we thought that coming into camp...
…but there has been no indication they’re going to start Felix, has there? He’s a backup.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I did not say whether he was starting or not - I said "equivalent to..."
In my mind, when you have a weapon like Felix, that showed potential in his few opportunities to be something quite special, you want to think twice about risking him for punt returns when there are other options.
Felix is not starting as of today. But if he continues to shine, it will be hard to keep him off the field. The offense suffered last year from his loss; I’d hate to see that again because of a punt-return experiment that until now looks mediocre.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
with Louis Armstrong's solo?
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Actually a different version at the time
but that’s the classic!
by Realist Larry on Aug 4, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Thing that makes me go 'hmmmmmm'. . .
cultured people on a football blog.
Kidding!
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Your dating yourself.....
My daughter got a job at MvDonald’s, and was shocked when I could tell her exactly how they make a Big Mac.
“2 all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, ….”
They don’t make jingles/commercials as memorable as they used to-
Or, is it because we all skip through them now, and that wasn’t possible in the old days?
by Realist Larry on Aug 4, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Heck I remember as a kid they use to advertise hamburger, french fries and a small coke for a buck!
It was tough to get a dollar from my dad in 1972, then I would have to walk a couple miles to the McD . this was in Northern Va. I tell no lie it was up hill both ways!
Remember not changing the channel
because it involved getting off the couch?
by I_miss_Switzer on Aug 4, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He' was 5' 7" about 180 lbs
He spent 30 years in military service. South Pacific 1941-45 (Marines), Korea, 2 terms in Vietnam (Army). When I was 18 and and he was 55 he could still out run me. I remember him training troops in Ft. Belvair Va. and climbing a rope with out using his legs and a 30 cal machine gun on his back- bad dude. With a great heart. , He loved football and was a big Ohio State fan ( that’s why I am) and a redskin fan ( I didn’t inherit that flaw). Retired a Sgt. Major (E9) Sry, know this content belongs in dear abby, but its been13 years since he passed and I still miss watching games with him. Share the excitement and tradition with your family people, it will keep the memory alive.
great post...
I always like learning a little about the guys on here…
Where in the South Pacific did he go?
Better question: how did he take it when you started pulling for the pokes???
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Found records that put at Tarawa, Saipan and The Marshall Islands
He never talked about any of it. He would tell funny stories about antic that happened to his buddies and him.
He took me being a Cowboys fan in stride, I also turned my sister into a Boy’s fan, but my brother and he would never pass up an opportunity to rub it in while the skins were getting the best of us.
very cool... I've been across the South Pacific and north of Australia, but never to these islands.
No doubt he led an amazing life…
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
There wasn't much there then...
by the time they left there was even less. Tarawa Atoll is just a rock.
The 2nd Marines fought through 500 pilboxes on a island as big as 3 carrier decks.Tarawa was the most heavily defended atoll invaded by Allied forces in the Pacific until Iwo Jima. In 3 days no less, total Badasses.
You should be really proud of him,he went through hell on Tarawa,
A RealAmericanHero, and a true 1%’er.
Yea
my dad used to lay on the floor in front of the tv and change the channels with hs toes when the commercials came on.
I had to walk on his back until it cracked
no chiropractors in those days!
by Realist Larry on Aug 5, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions
LOl my dad had me do that too LOL,
I get the little petite nurses to do it for me now and again and they think I’m crazy, but man it works great!
I can hear your theme music now
One night in Bagkok…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Believe it or not, and for all my talking, I'm not running around the seedier places.
Why would I? There are plenty of amazing women here you can actually trust, why bother with the questionables?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
oooh
didn’t see that
You beat me to it!
by Realist Larry on Aug 5, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions
We should move travis bright to NT
35 1/2 vertical; 4.56 short shuttle, and 35 reps on the bench.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=32857&draftyear=2009&genpos=OG
It’s worth a shot.
did anyone pick the story that the Cowboys were asking media not to write about certain formations
its on DC.com, it will be interesting how that can be possible with all the social networking and so forth.
not sure I even get that one...
when would that help? first half of first game? teams are doing everything they can to win each game, so footage of game one is a pretty good indicator of your schemes, and by game 3-4-5 you’ve used most of your bag of tricks.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
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