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Cowboys Camp, Evening Session, Day 8: The Williams Train is Right on Schedule

Put the rosaries away.  Snuff out the candles.  Stick a pin in the voodoo doll of your nervous buddy who lost his mind because Roy Williams started camp '09 slowly. 

I've watched two sessions thus far and I see nothing wrong the man.  He built on a strong morning session with a dominant afternoon performance, in which he beat all comers in drills and in scrimmages.  His was part of an evolving team that shows much better depth, athleticism and execution than last year's model.  It does have its warts, but the good signs far outpace the bad ones at this point in time.

Back to the Return

Dallas began the afternoon in full pads and resumed work on an aspect of special teams play drilled in the morning session.  The team again broke up into two groups, with John Garrett schooling the front line blockers and Joe DeCamillis taking the wedge men and the return men.  The groups were integrated and the team fielded at least a dozen kickoffs, trying returns to both sidelines.  Some notes from this drill

Star-divide

-- Felix Jones and Miles Austin handled the returns exclusively;

-- Pat McQuistan and Cory Proctor were the starters on the wedge.  It's early, but I would not be surprised to see them keep these roles;

-- The new formation makes it much harder to pre-call a return.  When kicks went towards the left sideline, the ball was returned that way.  I think the smaller wedges will make it easier for the coverage teams to dictate the direction of the returns.

They're All Defensive Backs

I've noticed one important change in the secondary drills from last year.   In Oxnard, the corners and safeties did a lot of sub-group work;  the corners would work on backpedaling, cutting and reacting with Dave Campo.  The safeties worked on positioning relative to the line of scrimmage, getting proper depth in zone coverage, reading run versus pass.

Not so this year.  The secondary drills all integrate both corners and safeties and they work extensively, all of them, on reacting, cutting and meeting the ball at the receiver.  It's also clear from the drills that the newbies at safety -- Sensabaugh, Ball and to a lesser extent, Brown -- can all run with their corner cousins.  You don't see a dropoff in backpedal agility, cutting or acceleration from the safeties compared to the corners.  I would say that Sensabaugh is one of the fastest DBs at accelerating forward out of a cut.

The safeties also have to take their turns in the one-on-one coverage drills against the top receivers.  They're all d-backs now.  The safeties don't get the luxury of squaring off against tight ends.  Today, I saw Sensabaugh take several reps against Williams.  Roy beat him (he beat everybody today) but Sensabaught wasn't a pushover. He was always within arms reach of the ball.  Dallas would not have tried this were Roy L. Williams still the starter.

The benefits of throwing all the d-backs into the coverage deep end could be seen in the final drill of the day, where the offense started at its own 30 and ran a two minute, no huddle drill (picking up work on the packages that were installed this morning). 

Romo had two drives, Kitna had two drives and Stephen McGee had one.  All moved from the offenses end to about the defense's 20 or 25 every time.  Here, defending a short field, the defense stopped the offense -- every single time.  The passing windows shrank.  The recovery speed was evident.  Looking for a big potential positive for the '09 defense, here it is.  All of them, the corners and the safeties, can cover.

Strange Fruit from the Passing Tree

Offensively, I see a lot more repetitions dedicated to running precise and varied patterns.  This morning the receivers ran a lot of tight five yard outs and comebacks.  They also ran a lot of hitches, suggesting that Dallas will run a lot of receiver screens or bubble screens this year. 

This afternoon, the combination routes were run in bulk.  One receiver would pretend to be a defender and play bracket coverage underneath and the receiver had to shake him with a hard in route and out.  The wideout would make a sharp inwards cut, take two steps and then curl back to the sideline.  This route was integrated into the later 1-on-1, 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills.  In addition, I saw post corners, post-corner-posts and out and ups. 

Nobody ran them better than Roy Williams, who showed he could cut at full speed and get consistent separation.  This isn't the plantar-fasciitis Roy.  This guy caught deep ins, deep outs, double moves, fades, gos.  He ran the whole repertoire and made catches morning and afternoon.  Don't worry.  Roy E. can play.

Gadget City

The Cowboys offensive install featured a blizzard of reverses, screens and doo-dads.  All were incorporated into the 11-on-11s, with varying success.  (I think familiarity between the offense and defense might have sabotaged one or two.)  I'm not going to spill state secrets, but I will tell you there was enough misdirection to make Tom Landry proud. 

One area of play that continues to receive attention, with positive results, is the screen game.  I've written before that Jason Garrett made the Cowboys a very effective screen team last year.  Today, I saw more evidence that the team will be that much better at running them this campaign.  Tony Romo made two accurate, nearly blind screens to Tashard Choice and Felix Jones to beat full blitzes.  What was most impressive was the speed at which the offense executed these plays.  Romo was fully shielded by blitzers on one but hit Choice at full stride but throwing to the spot where Choice was supposed to be.  Were this a real game, Choice would have gained big yards.

Spy vs. Spy

Last week I wrote that it's hard to tell when you have Cowboys playing Cowboys if a player is good or his competition is bad.  Case in point.  Today, the offensive line practiced a lot of blocking on stretch plays, counters and draws.  Late in practice, the team went 9-on-9, a drill without corners or receivers.  It's a softer version of a nutcracker, in that everybody knows the offense will only run the ball. 

The offense was very effective, with the first and the second units, at running the ball inside.  Marion Barber in particular had several long romps. 

Was this a sign of better interior blocking?  Or, are we seeing signs that Dallas needs another nose tackle?  Probably both.  The offensive line has been reeling in the defense, after some tough early days.  However, I have yet to see a notable play from either of Jay Ratliff's understudies.  I think this defense has a chance to be much, much better than last year's because the secondary looks deeper and strong, and because Keith Brooking looks like an upgrade over Zach Thomas.  It won't get there, in my opinion, unless the team invests in another big body to help out Tarzan Jay.

Notes:

-- Learning from Tony:  Jon Kitna seems to have picked up some of Tony Romo's escape moves.  He beat a blitz in the final two minute drill with a side-arm flip to Barber.

-- Flozell Adams looks far more svelte to my eyes.   He's clearly lost some weight, but I want to know how much?

-- I've only seen a couple of practices, but I see a much better, more fluid Doug Free at backup left tackle.  I'll keep an eye on him.

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To vomit and laugh at the same time when I saw Eli Manning’s new contract…

by TLCM on Aug 5, 2009 6:57 PM CDT reply actions  

2nd quarter

of the 2nd game they will regret that contract, big time!

by sduncan24 on Aug 5, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

3rd best QB

in the NFC East making almost $100 million is pretty astounding. Can’t wait for 94 to meet him in the backfield!!!

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

What were they supposed to pay him?

He’s a SB winning QB (the only one in the Beast) who is entering his prime. Are they supposed to let him walk and start over with someone new in the middle of a streak of playoff appearances? It’s his turn to get paid, by this time next year there will be 3-4 more QB’s with bigger contracts, and probably less of a resume (Jay Cutler anyone?).

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 5, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not necessarily saying you shouldn’t have paid him or let him walk. I just can’t believe that a guy with his individual stats can demand that kind of money. With that being said, I understand the Giants position. You guys don’t want to lose the person you consider a franchise quarterback because that would set you back on the crappy trail of finding another quarterback.

 All in all, I just think $97 million is a ton of money to pay for an Eli Manning. Like I said though, I don’t know if you guys really had a choice.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong, I think the amount of money was wrong and I think it may have a long term effect on NYG by limiting the money they can spend on other positions. On the other hand though, I understand that the QB position is the most important position to ensure long-term success and this alone will inflate prices. For my tastes, I would have probably let him play though this year and then see where he stood on contract demands, but I agree with bigblue that it would not intelligent to simply let him walk. This is simply a case of Eli having all the leverage since the NYG don’t have another QB in the wings and since the draft is such a crapshoot for QBs.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

btw great point about leverage, eventhough statisticaly he does not warrand the money

I bet NY brass was thinking in a year or two, they’ll have legitimate WR’s and be able to compete seriously and they needed to show to Eli that this is his team now. Nevertheless, any new blockbuster deal is met with the same awe. Anyone remember Dion (….both coach…) so thats NFL deal after deal it gets more ridiculous in absolute numbers, but many contracts are doomed to be reworked or dumped, because they are not guaranteed, in baseball there is no signing bonuses and all the money are guaranteed, so there is impeded fluidity in football.

by dcfanz on Aug 5, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that Eli's future looks bright, and that he's one of their "franchise guys"

But… as quincyyy said (just below) so perfectly:

Pay him like someone who can’t break a 90 QB rating

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 6, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look, don’t get me wrong. I think Eli is just an above average QB who will never be a HOF-type. Like I said though, if the Giants let him walk or let him go, then they basically have to start over looking for a QB. And as I noted, they don’t have another QB there waiting in the wings and the draft is no sure thing at all. If the Giants believe that Eli is their franchise QB (which they do) then he has all the leverage and that is why he got paid a lot more than he probably should have been paid.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 6, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plus, its not like I mind seeing the Giants make a poor, long-term salary cap move.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 6, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Like to hear Giants fans bytch and moan? Eli haters anonymous: www.wfan.com

An announcer quote:

“throwing all those wounded ducks, and passes you could take hang time…”

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 5, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

More WFAN quotes from Giants fans...

“It’s a shame… he’s not even one of the best players on this team”

“He’s not even a top QB”

“He got paid for a lucky play and a couple other drives … after a bad season”

“Canty and Eli are getting more than our best players – Tuck, Osi …”

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 6, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ken Hamlin is getting more than some of our best players (Rat and Ware, for instance)

And Anthony Henry was making more than Terence Newman for a couple seasons.

The amount a player is getting paid is based on how recent his contract is, not necessarily the caliber of the player. When Tuck gets a new contract, he will certainly be making more than Canty.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Aug 6, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a fair question

Eli is a very good QB, but it is weird to see that much money go there.

To be honest, I would have thought only his brother and Tom were worth that much until Danny Boy paid that obscene amounnt for Head-Stomper. Oh well.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Head-Stomper LMFAO

I don't believe in team motivation. I believe in getting a team prepared so it knows it will have the necessary confidence when it steps on a field and be prepared to play a good game.

Tom Landry

by White Wolf on Aug 5, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate free agency always have always will!

I wonder how much one of those guys would give me. If they showed up in my ICU? or What is it worth to them to teach their kid how to read? or keep their neighborhood safe?

by bad knees on Aug 5, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmmm?

I can teach my own child how to read, because I know how to. And nobody is paying to watch me do it. What’s your point??
Keep my neighborhood safe from what? What the hell are you talking about?
Would you prefer to pay to watch a stop sign work its magic, or would you prefer to pay $125 to watch the Cowboys play the Redskins.
You don’t have to answer, but I wish you’d think about this and something that’s called a market economy.

by Joey2zs on Aug 6, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's only going to get worse

The money, that is. Inflation, plus an expanding salary cap (or none at all) means the salaraies will keep rising as long as the league stays viable.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 5, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually would not be surprised to see the opposite

In this economy, especially with TV seeing drops in advertising, I think you’ll begin to see these salaries either flatten out or even start to come back to earth a bit.

Nobody ever expected NYC real estate to do anything but increase… just a sign of the times.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 5, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right

If this economy doesn’t recover much more than now, I think the money in the NFL will contract

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 5, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Jerry saw that writing on the wall

… it may even be one reason he’s dragging his feet with Ware?

And I see it as DEFINITELY a reason he was frugal this off-season. Advertising dollars, not ticket holders, are the revenue engine behind the NFL (all sports), and those dollars are currently MIA, wandering lost in the hills of Afghanistan.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 6, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not in the NFL

The NFL has so far been recession proof. In the NBA, I’d agree with you, but NFL revenues keep rising.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Aug 6, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see what the books look like after the next TV contract...

Most of last year’s revenue was booked long ago. Tickets purchased will be one measurement this year.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 8, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eli....what a joke..

Looks like only 35 mil is guaranteed….The giants can unload him in 3 or 4 years if they want to. Everyone knows the defense carried that team through the playoffs and win the SB, not Eli. By week 5 giant fans will be asking WTF we give this clown a big contract.

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 5, 2009 8:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Eli holds them back

The Giants would have been as dominant as the Patriots if not for Eli’s arm. Even when a receiver is wide-open, there is always a hope that Eli will throw the ball into the ground. I hope he has a long career as the Giant’s QB. And I hope the Redskins will recruit Michael Vick.

by JimmyJohnson on Aug 5, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wooo wooo wooo....
The Giants would have been as dominant as the Patriots

A littttttttttttttle excessive.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 5, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Their Defense is better. They have a better running game. And their receiving corps (with Plax) was probably second only to the Pats.

by JimmyJohnson on Aug 6, 2009 5:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess...

But it’s not like Tom Brady is just better than Eli, he’s better than everyone else in the NFL.

And there is no damn way their receiving corps is the second best in the NFL.

You’re telling me that the Giants have a better receiving corps than Arizona, Indy, or Green Bay?

Hell I’d even take Denver, San Diego, or New Orleans.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 6, 2009 5:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe even Cincinnati

When they had Ochocinco, Houshyourmama, and Chris Henry.

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 6, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the defense

passed for 140 yards and two TD’s in the 4th quarter of the SB. Did you even watch the game?

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 5, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

troll much?

Eli is what he is, an alright QB who plays behind a good running game and great defense. The Giants put the money in the wrong place.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 5, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

My understanding of trolls

was that they came in and insulted people for no real purpose. I’m just asking a question. I’ll ask another one, where exactly is that money supposed to go, when every other key player on the team is signed long term. Name me one player on the Giants more important than Eli who is coming up on free agency.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't consider you a troll

although once in a while you slip a little.

OK, how about Plax? Oh, wait you said FA, not parole. Hmmm.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

no, the D.A. has a stick up his ass about Plax, they are trying to show everyone how tough their gun laws are. He’s not going anywhere for awhile, although it says something about our legal system where Vick can get 2 years for torturing and killing dozens of dogs, but Burress gets 3 1/2 for shooting himself and not harming another creature. But that’s another argument, he’s paying the price for his mistakes.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about 2-3 fumbles that bounced the right way, and Samuels missing a gift of an

interception. Do not ignore that he was fortunate to have not paid for his mistakes; that does not take away from the fact that he got the job done when they needed it. But those facts ignore the small things that no one remembers because of some lucky bounces and a case of Samuels butterfingers.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Aug 5, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

The fumbles occured on the gints offense.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Aug 5, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

really?

you can’t look at this objectively?
10 INTs last year.
Playoffs every year he’s been a starter.
more consecutive road wins than any NFL team in the HISTORY of the game in the year they WON THE SUPER BOWL.
What the hell is your point? Now McNabb is everyone’s darling, but the guy with the hardware, stats and victory sucks?
What is it that you’d need to see to make you believe a Manning in his mid-20s with a ring and 4 consecutive playoff appearances is a good QB?

Why did I even waste the time to type this?

by Joey2zs on Aug 6, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe he is above average but if you don’t understand the criticisms leveled at Eli Manning, I don’t think you have watched him at all. He puts in a good amount of stinkers every year, and has never actually carried a team. He had a great defense the last two years and a great running game to carry his team to the postseason the few years ago. This isn’t his fault, but the fact is that he has never shown to be a really good QB. Even in the playoff run he only really was a game manager outside of the great play to Tyree (which was a better catch than a throw). I understand why the Giants paid him what they did (you can even see my argument above), but Eli is not some Brady or Peyton that is above all criticism. And while I understand that the market led to his contract, it is a fair statement that if Asante Samuels catches that last INT then Eli’s contract is nowhere near the number it is.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 6, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give you the Asante INT

although I just went back and watched it again, the dude had to leap pretty high. It went off of his fingertips, it didn’t bounce off of his numbers. But Eli hasn’t had to carry his team, because they win or lose as a team. But he led two 4th quarter TD’s against a very good defense. Does he get no credit for that? Or is everyone supposed to believe that he was just lucky enough not to turn the ball over on either drive? I’m not taking credit for this ‘cause I read it elsewhere, but it’s a great point nonetheless, his contract does not mean he’s the best QB right now, it means he is the best QB getting an extension right now. I don’t think you can dispute that.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think we can agree that what Eli go was what the market

bears for an experienced starting qb that has playoff credentials and a SB title. I would direct you to this link:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/08/05/too-much-money-for-eli-manning/

My take mirrors one of the points in this article, Eli was still under contract. What made it neccessary to sign him up now, this year would have been a good test to see how he will perform. Eli will have had an entire offseason to have an offense that will not have a WR with Plax’s ability. So this year could have given the giants a closer look to see how he responds. The main question is why did it have to be before the end of the year, as opposed to later in the year to the end of the season?

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Aug 6, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two simple reasons

a) You show your starting QB (who really does have to step up and be more of a leader) that you have total confidence he will do so
b) So another team doesn’t offer him a deal that could potentially drive the price up even higher (and please be reasonable and do not pretend like there wouldn’t be several teams that would love a big name QB with pedigree)

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look dude, as I have stated many times I understand why the Giants paid Eli Manning what they did. I just think that to say he is a really good quarterback is a stretch for what he has shown thus far in his career. And as for the Samuel quip, it is just very interesting to think about how things could have changed. I am not necessarily saying that the victory or performance is illegitimate, I simply am pointing out an interesting aspect of how that game went and how it affected Eli’s career and contract.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 6, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's too much.

But I think it’s too much for any QB that’s not Brady or Peyton.

In my opinion, Romo has not established himself as clearly better than Eli, and they’re both in the top 3-10 QBs in the league.

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 5, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

From what I read...

Eli’s now making more than both Brady & Peyton…

The Gints will regret that one

by TLCM on Aug 5, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

Are we suddenly going to start losing more games than winning? We don’t have cap problems (we’re not the Skins). So where would the regret come from?

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 5, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

When it comes time

to start signing some of your D-lineman considering Canty is making more than any of them. Where’s that money coming from?

by cow_fanatic on Aug 5, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kiwi, Osi, and Tuck

Are already signed to contracts for more than 3 years. So are Webster, Jacobs, and I think all of the OLine. The cap has significantly gone up each year, and while I personally think it would be disastrous, the possibility exists for an uncapped year next year. The Giants cap is just fine.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 5, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's right, based on a backup

DE/DT making more than Tuck, Umi and Kiwi they should play out there contracts and be happy without requesting any type of restructure

by cow_fanatic on Aug 5, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

what?

How about this…?
How about we gloat over the Cowboys beating the Giants? Not smugly disapprove of a big contract for a guy who only guides his teams to wins and a Super Bowl. That’s what you guys are relegated to???? Woo hoo. The Giants signed Eli to a big contract!!! all right! It’s the dawn of a Cowboys dynasty now!!

by Joey2zs on Aug 6, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its called discussing the NFL. You may not like the discussion or the opinions, but to whine about us discussing Eli Manning is really ridiculous.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 6, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

What's the difference between someone on the board doing that and the media?

It’s just an opinion, I don’t hate a guy because he got money, but I also think that the fact that he’s making more money then Big Ben is a little crazy.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Aug 6, 2009 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't even talking about Eli

I was talking about Eli’s money and how he has it all now, none left for your D lineman. I didn’t even think about how we beat the Giants last year and I wasn’c counting rings, nothing like that

by cow_fanatic on Aug 6, 2009 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, in two to three years I'm sure someone will

we don’t have a T.O. type trying to restructure one year into a seven year deal. But the cap keeps going up, unless they get rid of it in a year or two, so it won’t matter either way, unless the economic structure of the league completely changes.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 6, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

So is Jamarcus Russell

Eli got market value. Again, you can’t say, “Oh, this guy is making more than this other player who is clearly better than him.” You can ALWAYS find a bad example there. Chris Canty is making more than Demarcus Ware, for instance. It’s all based on the RECENCY of the contracts as much as the caliber of the player. The scale for NFL wages keeps shooting up, so the guys with the newer contracts will have higher salaries. I think everyone knows this, I don’t know why we’re all reacting like we don’t.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Aug 6, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have said it several times, but I love to hear that we are running more screens, my favorite is the tight end screen to Bennett

by sduncan24 on Aug 5, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I would take Felix as my favorite screen option, but Bennett is right there with his combination of speed and strength.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I choose

Choice. Partly because I wanted to hear myself say that and partly because that guy strikes me a real threat in the screen.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, you need to see Felix Jones catching a ball at speed in the open

simple flares, circle routes. He hits the accelerator and he’s gone.

I didn’t write it up much, but they’re working very hard at getting him the ball in space.

by Rafael Vela on Aug 5, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

The greatest show on Turf Part II

2nd coming of marshal faulk……………….only thanks to mcfadden Felix has low milage.

If Garret doesn’t find a way to get him 20 touches a game (not including KR or PR duty) he should be fired and replaced by any 12 year old with a years worth of Madden Gaming Experience. 15 carries and 5 catches every game and the kid might approach a thousand rushing and a thousand recieving……………….

by Jon B. on Aug 5, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

long season

On hand I understand wanting to get the ball in the hands of our most dynamic weapon as much as possible, but I just think they need to pace Felix so he’s still at full strength in December and January. With 3 very competent backs, 2 top receiving TEs, plus the WRs, I think 15 touches a game on offense, plus returning kicks and maybe punts, may be plenty for Felix, so he’s not at all worn out for the touch final stretch and playoff run.

by scottmaui on Aug 6, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sticking to my spring predictions for Felix this year

11-12 carries a game
3-4 catches;

14-16 touches per game, from scrimmage.

He’s going to return kickoffs again.

by Rafael Vela on Aug 6, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know

when I watch replays of Felix last season it doesn’t even look like he’s doing anything crazy but next thing you know he’s past everyone. It’s a weird kind of deceptive speed he’s got going. He doesn’t wiggle a ton, it’s more decisive – finds the space, takes the angle and then jets through it.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wade says he runs sideways.

You can kind of see it better in his college highlights since there are more of them, and somewhat on the kickoff return TD and the Packers TD. He has this weird ability to run forward at full speed while also running diagonally. Most people can’t run 10 yards forward and 5 yards to the side in the same amount of time that they run 10 yards forward in a straight line, but he does somehow. That’s also why his football speed seems so much faster than his timed 40 yd dash speed. In a straight line he might not be much faster than a lot of guys, but when you get them on the field, he can accelerate and decelerate and stay at full speed at angles that other guys can’t. So when guys would typically have the angle on him, he ends up a step or 2 ahead of where they thought he would be.

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

For example:

Both TO and Stanback catch up with him on the kickoff return and Packers TD, but the defender gets twisted up both times.

In the first highlight, the defender ends up getting a 15 yd facemask penalty because he thinks he has the angle, but when he get there Felix is past him. I should change the accelerate/decelerate above, because that’s not accurate. He doesn’t decelerate. He cuts and goes at angles at full speed. In those clips you can see guys that think they are in position, but then he’s just past them. On the kickoff return, the defender is faster than him but can’t match him when he changes his angle.

I tried to find a highlight package without the horrible, annoying “music”, but apparently that’s illegal on YouTube now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ndsUZ6guWM

Man, I can’t wait to see this kid play again. Here’s some college highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4miK7GnuSAI

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 6, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

God, that college highlight reel is just sick.

I broke my ankle and tore an ACL just watching it.

If Jerry had said, part of our draft this year is reminding you that we drafted this guy last year, and then played that highlight reel, I would have graded this year’s draft an A++.

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 6, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is funny

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 8, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know I'm answering myelf, but I don't care.

I love how many guys just end up on the ground trying to tackle him.

The only thing I saw that might make him even better is that he sometimes got out ahead of his blockers too quickly. I’m sure they are teaching him that in camp, though.

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 6, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I can interrupt your soliloquy, Hamlet!

This is a pretty cool point. Certainly something I hadn’t really thought of before…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

funniest part is seing Wade running on the sideline.

Man oh man winning cures everything. His facial expression is what I want to see every game this year.

by dcfanz on Aug 6, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I would love to see a 21st centruy version of Dorsett’s middle screen to Felix. Probably too much speed on the outside nowadays but…

by cow_fanatic on Aug 5, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Felix too, but the image of Bennett catching a screen with Leonard Davis and Marc Colombo leading the way just makes me smile

by sduncan24 on Aug 5, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

I don’t want to be the defender who has Bigg Davis barrelling at him with a full head of steam

by TLCM on Aug 5, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

+2

Sounds like a nightmare to me.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just imagine...

Being the 190 pound CB who looks up to see all 360 pounds of Davis about to hit him…

Talk about your life flashing before your eyes!

by TLCM on Aug 5, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah, that isn't the complete picture...

He was a 360 pounder last year, right now he’s a slimmer 345… So, the complete picture is:

Being the 190 pound CB who looks up to see all 345 pounds of Davis moving faster than ever about to hit him…

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Aug 6, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

see this is what I am talking about, exciting stuff

with all 265 lbs of Bennett right behind them, it will be sweet

by sduncan24 on Aug 6, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, last year many defenders proved that it is not that difficult to avoid Bigg in that situation

Going through him is not the only option for a quick 200 pound safety, after all.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Aug 6, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to hear that Garrett is really experimenting and trying to be creative. He has a tough job trying to spread the ball around to so many people, and some creativity will definitely help with that task.

I am also glad to hear that Doug Free is looking pretty good. If he could emerge as a serviceable tackle, that will help Dallas immensely in the long run.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

+1 on both points

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

First

Class Reporting. Thanks Raf.

"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams

by Jim Vance on Aug 5, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

As always, great football analysis

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The BTB level of reporting from TC has been simply outstanding, and this post raises the bar even further

Nowhere else have I seen the quality and depth of reporting as I have seen from Grizz, Raf and Aaron.

And to be quite frank, it is also refreshing to read articles that do not contain the words Jessica, TO or cupcake at least twice.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 6, 2009 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

You just said
Jessica, TO or cupcake

Drop and give us ten.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 7:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

That’s awesome!

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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 6, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could have done withut the speedos...

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite line from Raf's post

“Looking for a big potential positive for the ’09 defense, here it is. All of them, the corners and the safeties, can cover.”

Very encouraging…and a nice change from having the Thong back there…

by TLCM on Aug 5, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

All the offensive twists are a good omen

I think we’re seeing the beginnings of an offense so complex it will take two seasons for the players to really grasp it all. This is the true beginning of Garrett building an offense to match his intellect….which is what I’ve been hoping for him to do for three years. I knew he could do it.

I don't believe in team motivation. I believe in getting a team prepared so it knows it will have the necessary confidence when it steps on a field and be prepared to play a good game.

Tom Landry

by White Wolf on Aug 5, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

And the core of this team is pretty much set

which means they should get better and better at executing it.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome Report. Thanks. CB Question.

Seriously, Raf, you deserve an award. You are a joy to read.

I was wondering what the drop off is between Newman hand the two 2nd year players competing for the spot opposite Newman (Scandrick and Jenkins). If Newman is an 8.5 out of 10, then what are Jenkins and Scandrick? If the drop off isn’t that much or nothing at all is there any chance Jenkins and Scandrick start with Newman being the 3rd man? Based on Newman’s injury past (maybe he’s injury prone, maybe just unlucky), is there any way that Newman gets moved to 3rd CB? Maybe not week1, but how about week7?

by egtuna on Aug 5, 2009 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I would say Scandrick is a 8.17 and Jenkins an 8.03

But then I think Newman is more like a 8.63

"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson

by BoyfromOz on Aug 5, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

TOTALLY DISAGREE!

Jenkins is at least an 8.34, and Scandrick an 8.41

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 5, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, I don't know where you get your grades.

But you are way off base on this one. I’ve got Newman at 8.41, Scandrick at 8.34 and Jenkins at 8.26,

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 6, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

DalaiLuke's numbers

are Aura-based. You can’t argue with that, BPS.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

why would you move a guy who get huge money and can still play at a very high level

to the third spot?

Scandrick excels in the slot, which is a very hard spot to learn. Leave things as they are. In Dallas they’re concerned about the 4th corner right now. How many teams can say that?

by Rafael Vela on Aug 5, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Going back to the 70's

I don’t ever remember us having THREE top-flight corners. Never.

I don't believe in team motivation. I believe in getting a team prepared so it knows it will have the necessary confidence when it steps on a field and be prepared to play a good game.

Tom Landry

by White Wolf on Aug 5, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Jenkins can reach his full potential, the sky is the limit for this secondary. I am just looking forward to seeing our CBs line up closer to the receivers than the huge cushions we were giving them last year.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if the secondary is as good as it sounds

the pass rush will be even more effective. That’s a scary thought.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Ware, Rat and Co. must be giggling in their sleep

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 5, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!

~Texas Massacre '09~

by TheHeat on Aug 6, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

This year we just have to turn the opportunities that the pass rush creates (i.e. bad throws and rushed decisions) into turnovers and we will be just fine.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really

that drove me crazy last year, I would literally sit there and yell at them to get up on the line.

by thruthicknthin on Aug 6, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just askin' is all.

I was just wondering. I am a bit of a worry-wart, and am always concerned that when Newman misses games or plays hurt the 2ndary suffers. However, based on yours and Grizz’s reports, it seems I can turn down my worry-meter regarding the 2ndary from a 6 to a 3.

by egtuna on Aug 5, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is somewhat similar to the previous canty/spears debate

They were basically evenly matched/even performance but everyone loved canty more b/c he was a 4th rounder.

even after canty got the big RFA tender for a year he still got a pass for doing the same thing spears did on the other side.

by THEjarhead on Aug 5, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am always amazed

For the life of me, I can’t understand the love affair with the draft and especially how players are judged based on where they were picked.

BP said it best. “I’m in the talent acquisition business.” The draft is only one part of talent acquisition. Free Agents, trades, undrafted guys, and even reality TV. All equal opportunity chances of finding the guys you want for your system.

Canty was a GREAT find. Spears has been decent and is getting better. Two hits. Period. The fact that one was a 4th Rounder and the other a 1st is irrelevant.

And lastly, the DEs in the 3-4 just don’t get the sexy stats. But if you haven’t ordered the MSP Cowboys Annual, you need to take a look. According to KC Joyner’s metrics Spears was 3rd on success rate, behind only Ware and Ratliff.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 6, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a sneaky thing to do...

…but I’d rather keep cheap Scandrick in the slot and put the guy with the huge contract (Terence) in the starting line-up as our #1 CB. Then you may be able to do an extension with Scandrick in the next 2 years without having to pay him #1 CB Nnamdi money because he won’t have every played as a #1 shutdown CB. So you could get a bit of a discount (still a fair amount of $, but not Nnamdi money).

The Eagles do this— they extend guys like Lito Shepard before they peak as starters, and it ends up really helping their cap situation. You could argue it’s sneaky and not fair to the players, but it’s a sound business practice.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Aug 6, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd love to think we could do this with Scandrick

But, like the Jags found out with Sense this year, guys can just test the FA waters … and the cats out of the bag on Scandrick’s talent.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 8, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

got to admit that was me
Stick a pin in the voodoo doll of your nervous buddy who lost his mind because Roy Williams started camp ’09 slowly.

by quincyyyyy on Aug 5, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Dude you took a shot

from Teletubby Tim McMahon today…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quinccccyyyyyy

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quinyyyy submitted a question to McMahon

on line during his text session. That had a little back and forth. Qunice represented but Teletubby gets the last word…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I can't type

if that’s not already obvious.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I submitted a lot of questions the other day.

Who was that Albert Idiot thay had with him today? What a jerk!

by bad knees on Aug 5, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah, I thought about it

but I can’t Twitter during practice. You write, you miss something.

by Rafael Vela on Aug 5, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

He used to be on the DMN blogging staff

He’s a Pats fan

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s for sure. Albert Breer really never has anything good to say about the Cowboys, while the Patriots are never, ever wrong (Steelers the same).

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Yeah seriously and I had a pretty good response

because he was talking about who would be better THIS YEAR and then he mentions past successes. It was kind of stupid on his part.

by quincyyyyy on Aug 5, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Comment From Thad]
Tim, who would you rather have, Eli, Romo or Mcnabb?
3:09

Tim MacMahon: For one year? McNabb, Romo, Manning.

[Comment From quincyyyyy]
McNabb is not that good anymore Timmy. I don’t think he even had a QB rating over 90 last year. Just to let you know.
3:25

Tim MacMahon: McNabb went to the NFC championship game last season. He’s won a bunch of playoff games in his career. Romo has yet to win one. Just to let you know.

by quincyyyyy on Aug 5, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's especially dumb since Manning is in the discussion.

If he is saying that playoff success is a factor in his prediction for the upcoming year, then shouldn’t Manning be first, since he had the same rating as McNabb last year and has actually won a Super Bowl?

by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 6, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right

and if you only get to use previous seasons (which is what Teletubby relies on) only one team could ever be predicted to win the SB. And because Pittsburgh would be picked to win in 2010, they would also have to be picked forever.

That’s a ridiculous approach. No one asks for prediction only to get a history rerport.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

me too...

but then I’m a worrier.

I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.

by nspirals on Aug 5, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know how to get us all excited...

Love the versatility and thus the unpredictability.

Wade was also praising Free – looking forward to him getting a lot of positve pre-season reps.

Have we seen much rotation of the DE’s into the NT spot? Size and strength wise they match it with Rat – and it seems pretty evident that hatcher, bowens, dixon are better than anything we might have at backup NT.

"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson

by BoyfromOz on Aug 5, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Along the same lines, Ware was complimenting Bigg’s ability as a LT. That makes me at least a little more confident because at least in the worst case (Flozell goes down and Free is no good), we could slide him to LT, put Holland at RG, and at least be serviceable.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please do
Doug Free at backup left tackle. I’ll keep an eye on him.

by quincyyyyy on Aug 5, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I am exicted!!
Nobody ran them better than Roy Williams, who showed he could cut at full speed and get consistent separation. This isn’t the plantar-fasciitis Roy. This guy caught deep ins, deep outs, double moves, fades, gos. He ran the whole repertoire and made catches morning and afternoon. Don’t worry. Roy E. can play.

"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
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by Wmillion on Aug 5, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

That's what I'm talking about.

Roy sounds like he’s gaining some ground, or at least returning to the ground he has walk on before. With him on board and the rest of the wideouts having solid camps, the position could prove to be another strength for this offense.

The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely just got to stay healthy (still knocking on wood)

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 5, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I knock every time someone else does.

I hope this IKEA crap is wood.

The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If by wood you mean

carboard, yes, yes it is.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Particle board counts, too.

The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 6, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

In a few paragraphs, Raf silenced the detractor comments…

crickets chirping

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 5, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

More excitement!!!

Watch this Roy Williams highlight reel. One-handed catches, helmets flying (twice!), deep passes, jumping endzone catches … my, oh my.

by One.Cool.Customer on Aug 6, 2009 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice report

Reading the TC twitter from DMN sounded like the Offence/Romo got sloppy during the two min drill. Was it the the defense that caused that? how much was the effect of pressure on the QB?

by bad knees on Aug 5, 2009 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

The first one

he was flushed forward by a rush, pushed a ball to Roy that he mistimed; it bounced in the air and was picked.

On the last one, it looked to me like the ball slipped from his grasp when Romo released it. It went over Witten’s head and was picked, but let me tell you, there was not a very big area for Romo to throw too.

The defense doesn’t give him much red zone room. Poor McGee is at sea when they blitz him. They gave him a 46 zone blitz look on one play and you could see his brain freeze

by Rafael Vela on Aug 5, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

What a pleasure it would be to see some February press about how the Cowboys have two of the best minds in Football

Wade’s proven, Redball had a great freshman year as OC … hey, it’s possible!

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Aug 5, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

They do kind of balance each other out.

And knockin’ heads everyday trying to outscheme each other is some great exercise for the football brain.

The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

TOOT TOOT

You say Doug Free looks good.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 5, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Raf

you are absolutely the best.

I think Free is soooooooo close.

by Musiccitynorm on Aug 5, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh now your just a big tease!

I’m hooked, I have to keep following your Reports for the Free Thoughts or Maybe the Free Press, or possibly, Free Reign? LOL I know stupid.

by bad knees on Aug 5, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like it!

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 5, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Free everything!

The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 5, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Thought His Problem Last Year

Was getting overpowered; I’d heard his footwork was good.

If he can get the strength to go with the agility, that would be very promising.

by kindablue on Aug 5, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Raf

I’m still stuck on the fact that we haven’t filled the NT backup position. Raf is awesome but not Superman. We need a space eating, gotta double team him NT. Yeah, guys like Jamal Williams don’t grow on trees (well maybe in the Sequoia National Forest) but I don’t think the Spears is even close to an alternative answer either.

by Keys80 on Aug 5, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

No biggie

I played some NT in high school. You can’t make me play it again!

by Rafael Vela on Aug 5, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great stuff raff, keep it up.

" high and tight Martellus, high and tight."

by Staggolee87 on Aug 5, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

How would the Boys go about "investing" in another NT?

I’m really concerned about their lack of depth. Where would someone come from? Is someone apt to be cut that would be an upgrade? Spears? Please tell me there’s a viable option.

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 5, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I said invest cause that's what it's gonna take.

A trade. How much is the question. You don’t find DTs, OTs or CBs on waiver wire this time of the year cause everybody is looking for them.

by Rafael Vela on Aug 5, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

how about

3 minor leagers for jamall williams? Oh nm this is not baseball.

On another note: humming to the tune of I love this bar

“I love this blog, I love this bloooooog, hmmm mmmmm mm I love this blog”

Thanks for the awesome analysis raf, no offense to grizz who I was dialed into everyday and he offers a lot of detail that I enjoy, but as a follower of bb bsr and now btb, I was really looking forward to you getting out there, thanks again!

by TONYINCC on Aug 5, 2009 10:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

3 minor leagers for jamall williams?

Siavii, Stainbach, and Carpenter?

TANSTAAFL - Lazarus Long

by Mikhaili on Aug 5, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

lol

Where do I sign?

by TONYINCC on Aug 5, 2009 11:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

lol

I think Jerry would break his wrist to sign off on that one.

by illcowboy on Aug 6, 2009 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would love for them to go after Wolfork next year, but he will be too expensive...

We have too many high priced contracts, some not deserving IMO, and one monster contract (Ware) soon to happen during the season.

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 6, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the updates, Raf. If the Cowboys ever come back to CA, we should meet up for a burger again. ;)

by Turbo73 on Aug 6, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Got To Love Romo...
Romo had to try to force the ball into the end zone, and Pat Watkins was there for the easy pick on a throw forced to Jason Witten.

-DMN.com

He has a bad habit of doing this, eh?

~Texas Massacre 08~

by TheHeat on Aug 6, 2009 12:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Just to let you know, that throw was with seconds left in their two minute drill. So in other words, from 2o something yards out Romo had to try to throw a TD. He even said as much in his press conference. So while INTs are not good, in the situational practice he couldn’t exactly check it down or throw it away.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 6, 2009 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice to hear Williams is doing well.

I was never too worried, though. Let’s hope he keeps it up!

2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6

by Grady90 on Aug 6, 2009 2:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Sad to miss you on 1310AM yesterday Raf

Didn’t see any mention at all on this blog or otherwise.

by Urinal Mint on Aug 6, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

I love the commentary on screens

Truth be told, I think this is a year late in its arrival, but better late than never.

The part I don’t like is the achilles heel of this iteration of the Dallas defense; no backup NT.

Very bad situation for a 3-4 that uses an undersized NT as the starter.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Aug 6, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Aren't you tired of making this comment

I know I am. Same for the BACKUP OL.

We’re talking backups. While everyone (including GM Jerry) has acknowledged the weakness, there are sure fire contingency plans in place and being practiced. We have at least 2 serviceable Guards. 2 options at LT (one short-term (Free) and one long-term (Bigg)) and NT has at least 3 options, not even including a complete scheme change should 2 or 3 go down.

Dude made the Pro Bowl, had the best DL stats on the team, is young, and loves the NT position. And your constant use of “undersized” is getting as annoying as Tabloid Timmy’s “coachable” snarkiness. Ratliff thinks he’s best at NT. Wade thinks so as well. Get over your preoccupation with trying to move Rat to DE…please.

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Aug 6, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Raf!

Can’t say it enough – thank you, and great job. That whole report had me smiling and nodding my head this morning. If you aren’t optimistic right now, there’s no hope for you. Not saying there aren’t things to worry about, but this is just downright exciting.

Knowing the pickings are incredibly slim, anybody have an idea on a bubble NT out there? Not necessarily what it will take to get him, but who even has two or three on the roster that could be bartered for? I’m loving the complete cover secondary, but if Rat goes down, we may get run on 65 – 35 anyway. If I had to pick, though, I’d rather have a spare backup NT in the game than Bullet covering open turf.

by JC56 on Aug 6, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Raf, I take it that you're not impressed with Siavii

Wade seems to like the guy, what do you think Wade is seeing that you’re not??

Just curious.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 6, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm guessing it's situational

Maybe Siavii does certain things well and is pedestrian at other things, but he won’t be put in the game when those “other things” come up.

I would like to know how he does against the run, which is probably the only time he’ll be put in the game.

by quincyyyyy on Aug 6, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Siavii could ever effectively replace Rat

if he were to be injured, I think thats obvious, however, to spell Rat during the course of a game, I doubt the guy could hurt us much.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 6, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Siavii shouldnt even be on the team, but we have no other choice....

I agree, he will never, ever replace Rat…We have to find a 3-4 NT next year, have to…..

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 6, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he was awful last year He was not even a clear cut 3rd on the depth chart at Oxnard

and I have not seen him do anything here, though I have not been looking at him or for him in particular.

He has not played the last two seasons. How can a guy who wasn’t good enough to make an NFL roster in ’07 or ’08, in a market where decent DTs/NTs are always in short supply, suddenly going to be good enough to play 20 quality snaps a week for a team that has playoff aspirations?

by Rafael Vela on Aug 6, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deep sigh, eyes on floor

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing with you

but for some reason Wade sees something in the guy and if Wade knows anything, it’s defense and defensive talent.

Just seems odd to me, mostly everyone has your opinion of Siavii, except for Wade.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 6, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

there are always other options

If the Cowboys really felt backup NT was a pressing need, they’d acquire a player they thought would be better than Siavii.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 7, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

NT has to be near the top of the list next off season.....

We can’t expect Rat to continue the way he has. Like I said, Rat goes down we are in serious trouble at NT. I have no faith in Siavii and Spears is just a body who probably wont be on the team next year.

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 6, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is NT is such a hot commodity with all the 3-4 teams

Early last season, Raf highlighted NT Ron Brace as a potential Dallas draft target in the third or fourth round. By draft day, he was projected as a late first, early second round pick and Dallas had no shot at him.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Aug 6, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

And this year more teams are going 34.

KC, Denver, Green Bay…to name a few. That really thins pun intended out the mammoth NTs.

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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 6, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Green Bay has Brace, right? They may want a vet, though.

Who does KC have? Is Sims playing NT?

Miami may have a need too.

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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 6, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

New England has Brace

Green Bay has Raji.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Aug 6, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, that's right.

The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 7, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

What????

The Chiefs DEFINITELY need a NT. Unless you’re enamored of Tank Tyler?? It’s their weakest spot along the line.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Aug 6, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Next year we will have a first rounder to play with....

I havent had time to see who are the worthy NTs coming out next year, but there should be a few to chose from

by Boyzfan94 on Aug 6, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

our first rounder will more than likely

be a tackle unless Free really shows a lot this summer.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 7, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Sources" say that he was better than Tank

And even Wade was shocked he didn’t get picked up.

Yes, missing a season or two is tough, but it’s not like a significant number of players haven’t made it back. Dude has size and talent. He’ll be alright in a pinch, but the inside rush would suffer.

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by Fighter15 on Aug 6, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heard the same things

And as an optimist I am hanging on to that…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Aug 6, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am very dissapointed in our depth at NT it could destroy us

I think teams will look to run on us quite a bit more. I am wondering how good Sensabaugh is at tackling as well. I always hear that he is pretty god in coverage, but how is his tackling ability are we gonna lose something in our run stopping ability at safety? Are we simply trading a weakness is pass coverage for a weakness in run stopping ability? We better find a more reliable backup or else our D could have an extremely huge hole with an injury to Ratliff

by rioplayer7 on Aug 6, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Best Post To Date

Raf, this post is the best one from camp to date! Great job of providing analysis of key areas and what to look for in the preseason and potential season trends. I was at camp last week and had the same feelings regarding our DL. It is a steep drop off after the starters. Also, pleased to read Roy is getting better every day. He did not look good when I was there. One week to the first game. Bring on da Raiders!

by Silver Bullets on Aug 6, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Dittos

Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!

by CowboyMan on Aug 7, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Woo-hoo
Tony Romo made two accurate, nearly blind screens to Tashard Choice and Felix Jones to beat full blitzes. What was most impressive was the speed at which the offense executed these plays. Romo was fully shielded by blitzers on one but hit Choice at full stride but throwing to the spot where Choice was supposed to be. Were this a real game, Choice would have gained big yards.

Yessssss!

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 6, 2009 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Backup NT

Not expecting there will be a starting quality NT waived, but surely there will be some guys available who are at least better than what is currently on the roster.

If not, I vote for keeping 5DE’s and Rat. And my vote counts doesn’t count.

Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.

by APerfectStar on Aug 6, 2009 11:25 PM CDT reply actions  

NT in the 1st is out of the question

For one we need a LT, badly, it’s 10x more important then a NT where we have a pro bowl player at already.

You can use a mid round pick on a NT and be fine, which is what we should have done years ago…Taking a flier on a guy like Frank Okam, or any of the other big boys would be just fine, no need to spend an early pick.

by LonghornsLegend on Aug 7, 2009 2:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Especially considering they would be drafting a BACKUP nose tackle.

We’re already spoiled enough having a Pro Bowler as a starter, and a tenacious one at that.

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by Aaron Novinger on Aug 7, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

Our OL is more of a priority than DL going into next year IMO.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Aug 7, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

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