Kevin Ogletree: Keep This Guy Around
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 1:18 PM CDT
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PrintHere in Texas, there is a buzz growing around the play and promise of undrafted wide receiver, Kevin Ogletree. He sure looks to be the favorite for that last receiver spot. Whether or not the team chooses to keep Isaiah Stanback, they have to make room for Ogletree, right? With his circus catch for a score against Tennessee, his apparent confidence from Tony Romo, and his versatility as a slot guy and backup kick returner, it is hard to imagine him making it through waivers should the Cowboys try to sneak him on the practice squad.
Hopefully, they won't take that risk. He can not be hidden. Even though the team's website lists Mike Jefferson, Julian Hawkins, and Manuel Johnson on the depth chart, but no Ogletree; the buzz is already too loud. I imagine pro scouts have heard it in Houston, maybe even as far north as Kansas City or Denver. New Orleans always likes a bargain wideout or two.
This offseason, the Cowboys' wide receiver position has been scrutinized and criticized by the media. Once analysts are done focusing their question marks on Romo's December woes, they launch onto Roy Williams - almost as if their connection is the team's only chance for success. From the national media's perspective, Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin, and Sam Hurd are just the committee of other wide receivers Dallas will have on its roster. Obviously, we can't expect them to know about Ogletree.
As fans of the team, I think we can all appreciate a little extra optimism regarding the wide receiver position. Ogletree brings that. He may be at the bottom of the roster on opening day, but he would bring with him the consistency he has shown through training camp and preseason. Not a bad way to round out a group that has had problems staying healthy.
Make the jump.
In last year's season opener, all the team had to contribute at the position were Terrell Owens, Crayton, and a banged-up Stanback. While Crayton and Austin should be healthy for the upcoming opener against the Bucs (knock on wood), Williams and Hurd have needed some rest, and Stanback is fighting to stay on the team.
Although it is just preseason, Ogletree is tied for eighth against the rest of the NFC's rookies with five catches for 73 yards, averaging 14.6 per catch. That may not sound too productive, but each of those five catches have gone for first downs. Whether it be for 20 yards or two inches, the Cowboys need first downs. They need receivers who can make first-down grabs.
He hasn't been too shabby on kick returns, either. Currently, he is averaging 28.4 yards on five returns for 142 yards. It would be nice to see him get some more work there against Minnesota this Friday.
Richie Witt of the Dallas Observer says that Ogletree reminds him of Kelvin Martin. I was thinking Kevin Williams, but that #85 jersey may be swaying my perception.
I also think Virginia free-agent receiver Kevin Ogletree is going to make the team and make some positive plays. Kinda reminds me of Kelvin Martin. At this point it's not a stretch to say Dallas' free-agent class is just as productive as its draft class.
The coaches have liked what they've seen from him from the get-go.
"He runs good routes," said Wade Phillips, head coach. "The guy has got a lot of good things going for him, and he has been consistent with it. We said it (at) OTAs, 'This guy, wow, this guy looks good.'"
Jason Garrett sounds happy with what he saw from Ogletree against the 49ers' starting secondary.
"He's made a real positive impression on all of us," said Jason Garrett, the offensive coordinator. "There's a tendency to say, 'Hey, he's playing in the second half of games. He's playing against young guys.' This was an opportunity for him to go against some guys who have played in this league before, veteran players, and I thought he did a good job."
Last week, we heard about Romo's comfort with the team's depth at wide receiver. Ogletree is appreciative for his opportunity to work with Romo.
"It's a privilege to be out there with Tony Romo," Ogletree said. "I tell him that. He knows that. We're just trying to get that rhythm going and trying to be there for him. You just want to be dependable. You want to be a guy when you're called up to do something, you come through. And that's what I'm trying to do, to be that guy."
In April, we witnessed a draft that sought to improve the overall depth of the team - most of the picks were focused on defense and special teams. With the team's last pick being made on Oklahoma's Manny Johnson, the wide receiver position seemed an afterthought.
Then, thanks to John Garrett's Virginia connection, along came Ogletree.
I'm not putting him ahead of Austin or Hurd on the depth chart, or predicting he will be a regular contributor or anything like that.
I just hope the Cowboys keep him.
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First
order of business. Save the Tree!!
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I put a call in to Berkeley for some tree-huggers
they’re going to come and chain themselves to him tomorrow!
by Realist Larry on Sep 1, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen.
Keep good young guys. That should be Jerry’s motto.
Jerry: George is dating a convict.
Kramer: Really? What's she in for?
George: Embezzlement.
Kramer: (Seriously) Sounds like a nice girl!
Stanback had his chance
I follow his twitter account, I’ve been rooting for him ever since we drafted him. He is a freak in terms of size and speed but it’s time to cut him loose, catch on with someone else.
Here's where I differ
The choices for the ‘53rd’ man are: 10th OL, 3rd QB, 10th DB, 10th LB, or 7th DL (pick 2).
That means Stanback is competing against Cory Proctor (ugh) or Gibbons, McGee (who I now think will go on IR), Pat Watkins or Courtney Brown, unknown LB (Stewart?), or Dixon.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Do these figures include 3 kickers?
Still it appears lineback is going to be more important than a 6th WR who doesn’t appear to have defined his “role” with this team. I hate it but I cannot justify keeping him any longer
I'm thinking 10th LB, too, but
Wade has never kept more than 8LB’s before on his 53 man roster to start a season.
We may see the Cowboys pick up a veteran LB once the season starts, so even if Stanback makes this cut, he may not stay.
(Or he might get “lucky” and get injured again so he can be stashed on IR. Then we could continue this debate all the way through next year!)
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I think Fighter is looking at it the right way. Stanback is not competing against only WR’s (Ogletree is a lock). He’s lucky there is some flexibility with the OL and DB picks where guys can play multiple positions.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Not happening....
because we always have injury concerns at LB and OL so we need to keep as many as we can….I can’t see a scenerio that we keep 6 WR’s. Stanback has been wasting a roster spot for 3 years now….cut him freaking loose already and go with the best 5 will have in some time. We can’t sacrifice dept at LB and the OL because Stanback has potential..that’s just plain stupid….been hearing if for 3 years and the only thing he does is catch passes on the sidelines in street clothes….what a joke!
I hope the Cowboys make their decisions less emotionally than you
We’re all disappointed with Stanback but they need to make a rational decision not throw a fit.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Rational and logical would be to release him...
the guy doesn’t have it plain and simple… The only play Stanback had the other night he fumbled the ball… c’mon..lol. He has the physical tools, but it takes more than that to be a good player in this league. And who says Stanback is so talented? because he looks the part? Ever hear the expression all show and no go…well that’s him…..It will be a shame if they keep him AGAIN over someone else that can contribute.
Then explain the draft?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
LOL!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
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+1
I got it the 3rd time I read it.
LOL
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey B knees, Not winter yet !
Aleast here in North Tx 1
LOL! Good one !
Last year we kept 9 OL...
Do you really want Proctor?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
not really........
hey, if Stanback is somehow the 6th WR he will be inactive most games anyway…but we need all the OL and LB depth we can get right now. We dont need Stanback for anything..
Just tired of this guy tying up a roster spot...
He should be a model, because the only thing he does is look good standing on the sideline in cowboys gear that’s about it
people don't want to say goodbye to Stanback based purely on potential up-side
He MIGHT actually make something of all those physical gifts. The real question is whether we need him. And the answer is no. You want him getting on the field BEFORE Hurd, Austin or Ogletree? Because that is the only way we should keep Stanback.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
He stinks at returns so what his purpose?
Like DalaiLuke said…we don’t need him. He will never be anything more than the 5th WR on this team. He will continue to tie up a roster spot because he is injured more than healthy. It’s time to cut our loses and go with the best 5 WR’s on this team, that not being Stanback. You can’t keep a guy year after year based on what he COULD be….we need players, not china dolls that look good in street clothes on the sideline
Since you brought up Proctor...
I ran across this little nug from Archer’s observations at today’s practice:
Every day during training camp Cory Procter was among the centers in that drill. But he wasn’t Tuesday. The four centers were Andre Gurode, Ryan Gibbons, Travis Bright and Duke Preston.
Hmmm…(thumbin’ my chin right now)
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yer
Looks like they will try converting Bright into a center. Good idea.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
Definitely a Bright idea...he, he.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Doh! Can't believe I missed that chance
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
Surprised dunk didn't get to it first.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I was eating dinner
sort of my own Cabo-gate event – distracted, didn’t keep my eye on the ball. Sorry…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
No worries.
Covered you the best I could.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Wish
Stanback could put it together… It seems he’d be perfect to run a version of the wild cat…. Maybe I missed it but I havent seen anything like that yet this preseason. Its always nice to have another weapon like that
Uggggghhh
Enough of the wildcat talk. And to introduce it as a reason to think about keeping a bubble player? Wildcat is for teams with limited talent. Dallas is loaded with playmakers. Why on earth would you ever consider taking the ball out of Tony Romo’s hands?
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
who cares?
I don’t get it. who cares if stanbach does or doesn’t stay on the roster. The WR position is settled. There’s an answer, and its name is Ogletree. It makes Stanback whoever else irrelevant. Every year (and I say this every year), the super duper athlete at #5 and worse on the depth chart is everyone’s puppy crush. He’s ALWAYS been irrelevant. Always. Never any different.
more rich chocolatey ogletree please...
I never get tired of saying that..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 2, 2009 12:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the Cowboys have to keep him
He could turn out to be the next Romo at the WR position.
Plus, he’s a very smart guy evidenced from this statement.
“It’s a privilege to be out there with Tony Romo,” Ogletree said.
;)
In Romo we Trust
LOL!!
I see love is in the air.
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There's room for another 185 pounder
now that Jess is history…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
And Ogletree has better hands
but just barely.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
it'd be nice
to have another young WR make the team. And while I have nothing against Stanback and hope he’s successful, he’s too injury prone AND he still hasnt’ developed as a WR. He was a project to begin with and all his injuries have done is put him behind in his learning curve since day one. Like I said, I wish him nothing but the best, but at some point, the 4th round investment has to be a non factor if it means we have to cut a player that is showing promise at that same position.
I'm excited
about this kid. He might not be a #1 WR …. but to get this guy as a FA …. awesome move.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
You have no idea how painful it is for me to agree wholeheartedly with Terry
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Who wants to be the first to compare him to....
Eddie Royal?
I think he could be as big a surprise as Colstin, if the coaches had a pair!
However, I think should be used like Anthony Gonzalez of Indy and Santonio Holmes; Both around 6’ and 195+, both 1st round picks, both good #2 WRs, and just let me add, both from “The Ohio State University”
I agree...Ogletree is
a slot guy…
I love his speed out of the cuts…I also think he can run deep…4.36 at the combine
I am on record as saying he deserves more shots…to date he has met all tests
The game he had last week against a top CB like Nate Clements goes a long way
by Simon Potter on Sep 3, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
i already did
check back a few posts. boo yah
Just remember last year...
I was the first one (having a son who played ball with these guys) who suggested we look at Eddie Royal in the draft (check the blog strings) and also one of the first to sing the praises of Ogletree. Again, I know Keith Payne (UVA RB) and Jared Green (current UVA wideout & son of Darrell) personally and this Ogletree kid is really good (not spectacular), but really gooood. Remember, he has played with really bad QBs his whole time at UVA – and I mean laughably awful. If we cut him, JJ should be arrested….
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Sep 1, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
killer.
is green blessed with da blazin’ speed his old man had?
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
he caught passes from 12 different qb's
or something close to that
I still think the great part is unknown…I think this kid is gonna surprise us even more
by Simon Potter on Sep 3, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
with all the injuries that happen during the season,
we can ill afford to keep projects on the 53 men roster, heaving said this if Stanback shows flashes in the last game, coupled with the inexplicable love for him from coaches and management I dont think he’ll be gone. Its history repeating itself, until our season goes down the hill, because of an injury at a position we decided to go short.
I don't understand the Kelvin Martin and Kevin Williams comparisons
Those guys were tiny and Olgetree has good size at 6-0 and almost 200 lbs.
If he reminds me of any ex Cowboys WR it would be Jimmy Smith, although unfortunately he wasn’t a Cowboy very long.
In Romo we Trust
I was thinking more along the way he plays rather than his size.
He looked good outta the slot, but can definitely play out wide. Also, he’s got return skills like Kevin Williams.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Future 2nd WR
I can see Rookie WR Kevin Ogletree being the 2nd WR in two years. Next year he will beat out Miles Austin and Sam Hurd. In two years, Patrick Crayton’s contract will expire which will lead Ogletree to be our 2nd WR.
I’m really rooting for this guy. He is an awesome talent.
Juan Ramirez
I think that
is taking it a little far. I like Ogletree like everyone else, but to say that he WILL beat out Hurd & Austin next year is a stretch. Let’s see how he does this year and how Austin & Hurd progress this year. There is a reason he was a FA rookie.
Yeah, the NFL sucks at evaluating WRs
It’s a common thread in drafts…one or more “sure-fire” 1st rounders will suck, one or more undrafted guys become stars.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
WRs are very difficult to project to the NFL
because college WRs rarely see press coverage and there is a huge disparity between the talent of a college CB and a NFL CB.
In Romo we Trust
And now...
the college game has gone almost exclusively to the spread it seems. Making transitions harder and harder.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 1, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i am interested in
What ogeltrees contract is? Also, miles and sam are on 1 year contracts so in the event 1 or both either get hurt, or play so well they price themselves out of our market, ogeltree is a blessing.
On the stanback front, he will probably make it, but watch the waiver wire, cause I doubt the cowboys will have any qualms about releasing him if they see someone they like at a position of greater need.
by TONYINCC on Sep 1, 2009 2:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think they are 2 year contracts for undrafted rookies.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
Sure you do Terry
Don’t be so hard on yourself.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
maybe the worst cliche ever
“there is a reason blargablargablarg…”
Please someone tell me the reason since it’s clearly obvious and stupid old me can’t see it.
I was sooo close
so saying that myself. There are so many guys who have succeeded after coming late in the draft or not at all that it’s pointless to make that statement.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
same reason
Romo wasn’t drafted, some guys just get overlooked, its not probable but not impossible.
by TONYINCC on Sep 1, 2009 3:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
How did Ratliff’s quickness get overlooked for 6 rounds of DE’s?
These things happen fairly regularly. Not all 1st rounders make it, some 7th rounders and rookie FA’s do.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Overlooked because...
they don’t meet the “measurables” litmus test – same reason why some really good six-foot QBs never ever sniff the college or pro level. Case in point, the UVA QB last year was like 6’5" 240 pounds in high school and he was terrible then…so what happens? He gets recruited by UVA and he still sucked…replaced by who? a 6-foot QB.
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Sep 1, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think mide round talent guys get missed because teams start drafting more for need down there. Then they fall off. A lot of guys grade out as 4-6 round picks but don’t get drafted. I believe Romo was projected there somewhere.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The reason is
I posted this in an earlier thread, but here’s a refresher: Ogletree was coached in Virginia by John Garrett.
John Garrett: "With Kevin, you have to know the history of him. Going into his junior season, he tore his ACL and didn’t play his junior year. He didn’t have that key junior season to pad his stats, and the next year, you have a preseason (scouting) grade. He didn’t have that. All he had a was his sophomore year, where he caught 52 balls and was honorable mention All-ACC."
Garrett adds about Ogletree:
"He was flying under the radar. So then he goes into his senior year and Virginia ends up having quarterback problems – two guys got kicked off; they’re down to the third quarterback and the passing game is off. (Ogletree) didn’t have a lot of stats or didn’t make a big splash. So you had to know them a little bit to know that this guy is a lot better than what his stats reveal. So being familiar with Kevin, I knew he could play for us. I was able to make the call to him and really paint a picture to him that the Cowboys would be a great situation for him."
Read the full article Cavalier Approach by Nick Eatman at Dallascowboys.com
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 1, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey don't be posting good reasons!
I’m on a high being totally out on a limb here!
Yes, he was
and ran a 4.46, placing him 11th out of 37 WRs, and tied for thirteenth fastest of all combine participants. Here’s the link.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 1, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
I thought he was. That just make me shake my head. The explanation above all makes sense until a guy gets to the combine. How do teams miss him then?
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprisingly, your memory is still fairly accurate :-) 1st in the 20 yard shuttle.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 1, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
That means he's quick
I’ll take him over Amendola….
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I was on the Amendola wagon last year
merely for selfish reasons because I wanted the Cowboys to have a smaller option at WR to go with their big guys. He was disappointing every time I saw him play, though. Every time. I’ve seen him on the Eagles this preseason and he still looks unexciting and awkward.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Found one of his unofficial times.
From rotoworld:
Virginia WR Kevin Ogletree posted an unofficial 4.37 forty time at the NFL Combine on Sunday.
An intriguing prospect, Ogletree comes from a pro-style offense and never had a great QB in college. This time could get him drafted in the mid-rounds.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
my guess
I base this on being a coach and having several coaching friends in the d2 1aa ranks…they all follow the herd
It’s hard to get a job in the NFL biz and being wrong gets you fired
There’s very few people out there who can afford to be wrong more than once
so if you are wrong on a player you need cover…you need to have picked from the cookie cutter mold and what everyone else was willing to do
The same thing happens in college recruiting…nobody offers first (after the obvious studs that is) – they all want to see who else offers…so they have cover if it blows up
you would think with all the type a personalities in coaching more risks would be taken but truth is guys get passed on because everything isn’t perfect
Ogletree isn’t that big…he needs to put on 15 lbs of muscle was the knock
he also had a knee injury (torn acl) in his second year..he started as a true freshman
lack of size – previous knee injury
two strikes right there
guys work their whole life to get an NFL job…aftre years of moving from college job to college job then they will not take a chance on a kid who has a strike let alone two
they are wrong in every draft
you can look in the HOF for 4th round plus guys…just as many as guys from the first 3
by Simon Potter on Sep 3, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Risk-taking is surprisingly rare in most walks of life, so i guess I shouldn’t be shocked that the NFL is the same if not more so…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
We've Seen this Before
We’ve seen really good pre-season and training camp performances from unknown WRs before only to see them fizzle out during the real season. Why is Ogletree different? I am not saying he isn’t different, I am just asking why so many believe this kid isn’t a another JAG that has a really good pre-season.
I agree
But there is at least a little difference. Every other guy was the star of the Scrub Bowl, Ogletree did it twice against starters.
But you’re right in asking. Here’s hoping for a Bernard Berrian, Marques Colston, or Wes Welker.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Why because the 1st thing a WR has to do is CATCH THE BALL!
and he does that, and he has exhibited good route running ability ( another thing that rookies don’t usually exhibit) and he has better than 4.4 speed, which is very respectable. But most impostently, he hasn’t let us down yet!
I think for me it's because
he has an NFL kind of name.
No actually, I think it’sbecause he has been doing this consistently since OTAs. usually when a guy is a flash in the pan, they get on a roll, but it’s not something they can sustain.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I don't remember any of those guys looking like Ogletree
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Because they only did it in the preseason
Clack returned a couple of kicks for touchdowns and had a ridiculous ypc running the ball. He looked better than Dorsett and Walker during the preseason. McSwain was a touchdown machine. He scored 3 or 4 in the first preseason game back in the early ’80s. Billy Davis was another FA wideout who made the team because of his preseason performance in the 1990s.
you prove my point
that you had to go back 30 years, to find three names that are meaningless. That you’re so up on Cowboys preseason means you’re likely from the Dallas region where any name associated with the program is a celebrity about to become the next big thing.
I remember Darryl Clack. Uh… as a teenager I didn’t see an NFL quality RB in him… and, to further prove my point, Clack isn’t a WR, is he?
Billy Davis was adequate. He played. Compare his numbers to Austin/Hurd’s.
Just because guys haven't worked out in the past as rookie FAs
doesn’t mean there is a dooming future full of them.
What’s more important: the Cowboys taking at shot on a guy who can round out the WR position, or not getting our hopes up too high and blogging I told you sos?
This time around, I’d rather have the player on the team.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You want a list?
From just the Cowboys:
- Drew Pearson
- Roger Staubah (10th round that no longer exists sinlce ’94)
- Brown – (12th round DB)
- Ratliff (7th round, same thing as an UDFA)
- Crayton (7th)
- Hurd (UDFA)
- Austin (UDFA)
- etc., etc,. etc.
League-wide? What position do you want?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
what?
What are you talking about?
How does your post answer my response to this…
“We’ve Seen this Before We’ve seen really good pre-season and training camp performances from unknown WRs before only to see them fizzle out during the real season”
i think there's a little too much fluff here...The only vision i remember of Ogletree
Is his wide open drop on his numbers his first chance to catch a ball….Sure he’s got talent and I followed him quite a bit pre-draft, and even had him as our late round sleeper WR pick, I was excfited we got him in FA……But if I had to chose between him and Stanback, I still go Stanback….."Tree will not be this “highly sought after free agent cut” like many presume here. I say slip him on the practice roster no problem……or keep 6 WR’s….Knowing damn well EVERY SINGLE WR on this roster has injury history…
The whole league is looking for
dependable WRs who run good routes, have good speed and hands and don’t cost a lot of money. He’d never back it through waivers.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
The practice squad is too risky if the coaches really like him.
Most players that have performed even half-way decent get a look with another team and Ogletree has done well for himself with us. If it comes down to a numbers game, keep the better player between Stanback and Ogletree. So far, the better player looks like the latter. If the team is willing to keep 6 WR’s, I agree, keep them both. I also agree that with our injury history at WR (only guy that can seemingly stay healthy is Crayton), it’s probably better that we keep 6 WR’s.
care to put a wager on that?
He hits waivers and he’s gone almost instantly. So, Mr. Confident, care to make a bet? And no, Your_2_Cents won’t cut it
then you should check yor eyes
thats not his only catch
by bleedinbluensilver on Sep 1, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
This may be a reason to keep Ogletree:
Knowing damn well EVERY SINGLE WR on this roster has injury history
So the question really becomes does Mr. Injury, Stanback, make it too.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
QUESTION IS....Does Roy Williams, Miles Austin, or Sam Hurd make it through the dseason injury free??????
NONE OF THEM HAVE HERE…YET
Last year we kept 6
Why would we keep any less when it’s clear we need them?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
There is absolutely no way he would get through waivers. I would claim him
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Stanback over Ogletree,,,,thats funny..LMAO!!
lay off the Stanback coolaid…..wow!..
The only thing Stanback has over Ogletree is wearing street clothes on the sidelines….
I'm as huge an Ogletree fan as anybody
And as huge a Stanback hater too. But…
At the 5th WR position, you really aren’t looking at skill as a WR, you are looking for the best special teamer. So, unless Ogletree is better than 5th WR, I can see keeping Stanback (a worse WR) if the coaches think he’s better at special teams.
I just hope they view Ogletree as a potential 3rd or 4th. In which case, Hurd and Austin are both better special teamers than Stanback.
Longer term I have to agree with you
And I’ve been on the Austin bandwagon for 3 years. I’m getting a little tired of waiting for him to put it together.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Ogletree is going to be the end of Crayton or Hurd next year....
He is going to force Wade to cut one of those players next year. Ogletree has a legit chance of being the #3 on this team next year if he keeps making plays like he has.
I've heard this claim before, and I still disagree.
The Cowboys could EASILY go into next year with the same 5 that make the roster this year. Perhaps the best reason NOT to do this has little to do with Austin or Hurd, but rather Roy… if he cannot hold up as a #1, THAT would be the only reason the Cowboys might look to the draft or FA for additional help.
I see other needs, O-Line and D-Line for starters, that I hope are a higher priority come April.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Another resson
would be to bring someone in who is simply cheaper.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
At some point even guys
making the veteran’s minimum get cut. But I’m thinking more about not getting into a bidding war over Austin if Hurd and Tree step up.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
We face a potential bidding war for Hurd too, no?
I wonder what the chances are that Jerry signs either / both mid-season.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
If he has a great season
I suppose so.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
maybe, but depending on what the others do I can see us using a high draft pick on a WR next year..
maybe first or second round…This offense could sure use a Deshawn Jackson type player..
I doubt it
I think they are going to carpet bomb the OL and DL positions. They might take a WR in the middle to late rds.
In Romo we Trust
you should know by now Terry us drafting OL doesn't work.....
We are not using a first rounder on a OL….not happening…hasn’t happened in a long time and will continue to be that way…Jerry will NOT do it and I agree. 2nd round maybe…We have better luck with FA lineman. I could easily see us drafting a WR in the first next year. If Austin, who I love totally stinks this year, Crayton in his 30’s and maybe out anyway…Hurd who knows….Ogletree? I could see Jerry going for a speed demon as his #2 or #3…A Deshawn Jackson type to compliment Felix Jones raises this offense up another notch…..right now Felix Jones is the only guy we really have that can take it from the line of scrimmiage to the house at any given play.
same thing applies to WRs as well Boyz
Jerry doesn’t draft WRs high either. The last WR they drafted in the first rd was Alvin Harper 18 years ago.
Our WRs are young and talented, they will be fine.
We need to address our lines immediately.
In Romo we Trust
Crayton is in his 30's.....
one more year left on his deal…..Austin is on a one year deal….Hurd one year tender….We just drafted two lineman last year what about them?
I will go out right here and say Jerry will NOT draft a first round OL next year….he is not going to pay a lineman top dollar including the ridiculous guraneeted money they get when he knows he can get a solid veteran cheaper.
There is alot of questions marks with these WR’s. Know one besides RW is a lock to be here next year.
Add NT to the the top of the list before the OL....
One injury to Ratliff and we are cooked. Don’t fool yourself if you don’t think they know that….
OK
if I did accidentally fool myself, how would I go about undoing that?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
you can say the same thing about WRs
Jerry isn’t going to pay top dollar for a position that has a high bust rate, that’s why he never drafted a qb in the first rd as well.
WR have a much higher bust rate than OL.
I’m glad you’re saying they won’t draft an OL high next year because this means they definitely will.
In Romo we Trust
2 words...
Troy Aikman
The fact is that Jerry will make his decisions based off of need, not some idea of bust rate or anything like that. Jerry is a businessman and if there is a lineman (OL or DL) that he likes in the first round he will pull the trigger. I think this whole idea of Jerry having rules regarding the draft is overblown. Next year, I believe will need some definite line depth (wouldn’t mind seeing us pick 5 total lineman) and probably could use some bodies to come in and compete in the WR corp and the secondary (don’t have to be high picks though).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I obviously meant after Aikman
That selection was a no brainer to everyone except the moronic Joe Theisman who thought we should have taken Tony Mandarich.
In Romo we Trust
Be careful there Terry.....
Jimmy wasn’t totally sold on Aikman at that point. That’s why they brought in Steve Walsh. If it was a “no-brainer” then why did they bring in Walsh? My other point is that Jerry was thinking really hard about going after Maclin from what I heard, except Philly beat him to it. I’ve said all this to just clarify that I do think that Jerry will draft based off of need and if someone did fall to him, he will pull the trigger.
for trade bait
Jimmy said it many times. Don’t kid yourself, they were definitely sold on Aikman, no question about it.
In Romo we Trust
from what I read........
Jimmy wasn’t really sold on Aikman until about the third year. I read it somewhere. Actually, I think it might have been Aikman’s book. He said that Jimmy wasn’t really sure about him for the first two or three years. I like Jimmy, but he has a way of trying to make himself look like a genius from those early days. He’s the same one that thought that they would have a cakewalk the first year because they went undefeated in pre-season. He learned pretty quickly didn’t he. I’m not trying to bash Jimmy but he likes to toot his own horn. Remember, Troy was Landry’s hand-picked first round choice and Jimmy wasn’t so sure about him.
I read Jerry Jone's book
and the opposite was said. Jerry and Jimmy went to the combine and then his pro day at UCLA and they both agreed taking him was a no brainer.
Now after the draft, Jimmy may have had a different opinion, but certainly not on draft day.
In Romo we Trust
I was just being clear
and I think it further proves that Jerry accurately drafts based off of needs and not some rules that we allege to know (aka Jerry doesn’t draft QBs or Jerry doesn’t draft lineman high).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 2, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
If you mean just a 5th this year, I think you're wrong
Ogletree is a guy who has shown a lot of upside to me. He definitely looks like he could eventually be a 2-3. So do you cut a guy with talent as a rookie to keep a guy who probably has the same upside if he get’s lucky and finally stays healthy. There is no way on earth I would keep Stanback over Ogletree.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong, I hope we show Stanback the door
But, a 5th WR is judged 90% on special teams and 10% on position play. If Stanback beats him out for this reason (and I don’t even know if Stanback is the better special teamer), I will understand. I won’t like it, but I will understand.
If Ogletree wants to put the nail in Stanback’s coffin, he should be getting up at 6AM every morning, getting himself acquainted with the JUGS machine. If he can be a decent punt returner, he will wrap up a spot.
JJ you may have something there and it may also say something that Ogleme the # 3 Reps at SF
I think Garrett really likes what he sees and I think OC might have more pull than STC.
Ogle: .tr.
1.To stare at.
2.To stare at impertinently, flirtatiously, or amorously
What Garrett and Romo are doing
Oh, almost forgot.
Thanks for the dictionary dunk.
You're at my blogging wake
and that’s the best you can do?? It was a thesarus anyway.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
sorry still drunk from the wake
The tears and grif have blurred my already cloudy recollection.
Who are you again and were do I know you from?
Funny you mention that
DalaiLuke is seriosuly considering putting a word for me on reincarnation, so that’s nice.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Reincarnation? ... but, but, but ... I like you as a blogger...
What would you want to come back as? Perhaps a squirrel?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
That at the rate
GI Joes are taking them down.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
He's most likely gotta play on coverage teams too, like Stanback.
Eatman’s latest has a quote from Ogletree on his coverage skills:
“I think I’ve done a good job in coverage . . . I haven’t made a tackle yet, which has upset me a little bit,” Ogletree said. “But responsibility-wise, I think I’m doing all right. But I can tackle. You’ll see.”
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You really gave not reason to pick Stanback over Ogletree in that whole paragraph.
In fact you are just contradictive. You keep harping about all the injury problems that the team has.. and then you say you want to keep a guy who is the pinnacle of injury prone.
I liked you better when you were just an Owens praiser. At least you were more predictable.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 1, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
was that not his 1st pass in the 1st game?
Looked to me like he may have been thinking more about the run after the catch and not enough about the catch.
Mark My words ( and I never say this kind of stuff): THis guy will be our #2 receiver if given the opportunity to show his stuff!
Relax 2 cents
the blog is in full worship mode. Endorphines are popping because love is in the air.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
We may be
OR!!! we may be witnessing something cool, like Romo starting, or Scandrick outperforming Pacman and Jenks.
I’m just getting a good seat before the bandwagon gets crowded. It’s all about the leg room, my man.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
we
went through the same thing last year with Amendola. I remember everyone saying he should be on the squad. Only difference is, Amendola didn’t beat Nate Clements like Ogletree did.
and a drop on his first catch means nothing. Please. Romo threw a pic the first series after replacing Bledsoe … how’s he doing?
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
Amendola was just a pretty white boy that everyone fell in love with. Ogletree has a bigger frame, more speed, and more raw talent.
Huge difference there.
true
I do remember the Welker comparisons with Danny. Ogletree’s just a kid who’s shown that he could possibly be an NFL receiver. Not a #2 right now, but him as our #5 ….. I think I can live with that.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
lol
Didn’t notice people were saying he is a #2… not now, but maybe one day he could be.
I would definitely put him ahead of Stanback and the other scrubs… he is a lock for the #5 spot right now in my opinion. Unless Stanback has one hell of a game this week, that is.
Most that I've read on BTB seem to think Ogletree is a #5 right now,
with the potential to compete in the future for more playing time.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
exactly
there’s no comparison between the two, besides the position they play. All arguments last year for Amendola were shoe-horned hyperbole that I think no one believed… and even then the most enthusiastic never believed he’d be a starter. Somewhere between punt returner and practice squad.
Ogletree is the goods.
And Amendola had the added dimension of being a Texas boy
That always amps up the enthusiasm here
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Ogletree has shown much more in preseason
than Amendola ever did.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
That's probably it as well
Amedonla looked good in early in camp and then faded a bit. And he couldn’t get anything done in the PS games. Sometimes that’s bad luck, but sometimes it’s talent.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
me too, and I was a fan of Amendola
The difference I think, is Amendola is the type of player u design plays for. He can be a productive WR for certain types of offenses much like Welker is for the Patriots and not so much for other offenses like when he was in Miami. For that reason, I think the Amendola – Welker comparison is a legitimate one. To me, Amendola is a poor mans version of Welker and really doesn’t possess the same talent level, just some similarities.
No way. Amendola wasn’t close and he never performed like this in PS games. And for the record, I was officially the first guy on the bandwagon
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
lol...that's my point....too many ga-ga boys on here...
To actually think all 32 others teams won’t be cutting better or just as good WR’s in another week is ridiculous..unless you’ve been following EVERY OTHER roster, and had a chance to see EVERY OTHER bubble WR on EVERY ROSTER, you can’t go out talking nonsense like he’ll be OUR #2 WR by seasons end….come on already…….Danny Amendola worship 2.0 _
sorry but you forfeited that right already
You can’t stake claim to both “outs” and then say I told you so when either of the 2 happens. It doesn’t work that way.
I'm not counting a lot of "ga ga boys" posting here, whatever that means
The topic was “does the team keep Ogletree”. I think most think so. It’s OK if you disagree, but calling people “ga ga” because they’re impressed with an UDFA’s performance isn’t debating, it’s just diverting attention from the discussion.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I admit I am Koo Koo for Coco Puffs, but.......
this is the first time to I’ve been called Ga Ga for Olgetree. I think I can accept that!
right
who is ga ga about a guy we all admit will probably be 3rd to 5rth on the WR depth chart. Call it ga ga if you like. That just tells me you don’t know the true meaning of ga ga. Probably went to public school.
"Probably went to public school."
What does that supposed to mean?
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 1, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
I don’t know if you meant to sub “does” for “is”, but that was funny.
Then again, what do I know, having gone to public schools.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
I did
: )
Seriously though, I don’t think anyone has been too ga ga either. I’m not ready to say that he’s the next 2nd receiver, but I’m always high on potential.
I know Ogletree gets open, and I like it.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 1, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Tie a yellow ribbon round the Ogletree!
Even his name has potential.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That's funny...
because based off your arrogant and condescending retorts I could have guessed you went to private school.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Yep we all know NFL teams never miss on Talent evaluation right!
Who knows you may be right. I don’t think so, but your entitled to your opinion, even if it’s wrong.
People on Cowboy’s boards endorse and support and over hype players like Crayton, Hurd and even Austen who have done nothing great. Crayton and Hurd are possession receivers with decent hands but lack speed; Austin and Stanbach are speed guys who haven’t shown great hands or the ability to stay healthy.
We Cowboy’s fans are searching for a real WR who can both catch and run that we have been missing for such a long time. So, when we get excited about a young unknown who shows us he could possibly be that guy,….well we do get a mite starry eyed; But in this case in my opinion we are not way off base. It’s just possible this guy flew under alot of radars because of the rotating QBs he had in collage, and or other reasons. Lots of other teams wanted him as an UDFA, but Garrett gave us the inside track, plus all WRs agents knew we needed help at the position….damn, Jerry let the whole world know, if they didn’t before, with that stupid 4th and long show.
So, go ahead be a naysayer, be a hater, be a pessimist it’s all good.
Im an optimist and like Ogletree
but every year the blog falls madly in love with someone and bashes another.
My point to 2 cents was, “dont waste your time”. Once someone is annoited reason goes right out the door for a while. Love is in the air, the sky is bluer, the grass is greener, and every body is thinner and better looking.
Unfortunately most of these guys will turn on him in a heartbeat the 1st time he has a couple of bad games. Let him be the reason we lose a divisional game and all bets are off. Im going to be in his corner until the 3rd year or 4th if he shows promise. After that its go big or go home.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
I'm Terryfied about Ogletree!
If our other recievers since the loss of Glenn showed more then I probably would be.
"Routinely drops balls"
is a slight bit of overkill don’t you think? It kind of ignores the one hand catches and the balls thrown at the receiver’s feet. I’m just saying…….
I'd say routine is a little harsh.
Dropping 10-12 balls over a 16 game season isn’t really a big deal. Drops are a subjective stat anyway.
Thank you House
It is even more overkill if there is no stat that says “I made the super catch that saved the QB a pick 6.” It just seems a little one sided to me.
I guess Ogletree just doesn't have adequate enough YouTube highlight reels to make you wet.
What is Stanback’s upside at this point? What has his upside ever been? He’s not anymore of a freakish physical specimen than fellow QB-turned-receiver Matt Jones and what has Jones been up to this point? A guy who’s had roughly the same production as Patrick Crayton; that’s what. Of course, if not for Jones’ jonesing for the booger sugar, I see no reason why I wouldn’t rather have him than Stanback. But that’s if this team really needs that rare athletic specimen who you just have to keep on your roster just in case; because you never know when he’ll blossom. There’s nothing more enticing than potential after all. Personally, I think the Cowboys are much better served to hang onto a guy who knows how to run routes and get open; and whose straight-line speed (AKA 40-time) isn’t that inferior to former track star Stanback.
But what do I know? I don’t print my own NFL draft annuals like you’ve apparently been doing for 35 years. I’d love to get my hands on one of those by the way.
I just heard on local radio that Tennessee might be in the market for
a receiver who can return kicks. Stanback? for a late pick?
Straight up trade for Vince??
Just kidding. I have no use for that guy any more…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Did Richie Witt read this blog, and steal my Kelvin Martin comment
He reminds me of Kelvin Martin, but faster…………………..
posted by oldtimer 8/22/09 12:09 am
comments on Dallas Titans game…..
One thing I like is that he seems to have a chip on his shoulder
to prove himself. I mean he leaves school a year early for the draft, only to go undrafted. Now here he is with a great opportunity in front of him and he seems poised to seize it. If we keep Stanback over this guy based on what I’ve seen the last two years, I’d be shocked. Stanback never looked this good as a WR (probably because he was always injured) and is just another injury waiting to happen. Sure Stanback has looked pretty good on special teams, but the talent level of each as a WR, coupled with injury risk, puts Ogletree in a different league IMO.
I think that's
his arm. It’s just a bad picture.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
it could be a leaf...
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 2, 2009 12:15 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Joint nails it
the guys has stepped up to every challenge
and if you read Ogletrees quotes he’s humble but not surprised
he expected himself to do this well
he expects himself to do even more
he desrves to take the next test…regular season
would i be surprised if he flew up the depth charts…no
He desrves to see the first game and then we go from there
by Simon Potter on Sep 3, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Ogletree and Stanback both make the team
Ogletree because he shows huge upside and could really pass Stanback for that #5 WR spot, but…
When the coaches decide who to keep and who to let go, it isn’t so much about filling a certain number of spots at each position as it is keeping your best 53 players who can contribute all around, including special teams. Stanback isn’t just competing against Ogletree, but against that 9th oline spot or that 10th LB spot.
And I think Stanback makes the team as much for his special teams contributions as for his potential as WR.
As Raf noted Sunday:
DeCamillis has settled on a core of players. A couple are names many of us, me included have marked for death. Pat Watkins continues on both kickoff and both punt units, greatly improving his chances of hanging on. The same is true of wideout Isaiah Stanback. He hurt his cause by fumbling a pass, but had a strong game on special teams. He and rookie Jason Williams were frequently the first two down on kickoff returns. He plays in the middle of the punt coverage team, in one of the slots Keith Davis used to occupy. Stanback had a solid 30 yard return and his downfield block on a ‘Niners gunner sprung Crayton on his big return. Stanback is playing like a cat who knows he’s on his 9th life, and that adrenaline-infused hustle may keep him in a Cowboys uniform.
Stanback, Watkins, John Phillips and Jason Williams are four guys Coach D has trusted the last two weeks. Watch next week to see if these four have company on the special teams core.
With some of our other players who were expected to contribute on ST out or questionable now, I think Stanback will make the team more for his role on ST than WR, and there as much for coverage as for return potential.
I wouldn't count out Bright at Guard, just a feeling.
they may try to get him on the PS, but if they do I bet he doesn’t make it through waivers.
I know this is off subject, but I’m a Big Guys guy.
I've been wondering what surprises might emerge on the OL
I haven’t watched him. Could he take McQ’s spot? Everyone seems to have him penciled onto the 53. It seems to me he could be at risk if someone else showed something.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you on Bright, knees
he’s one of my pet cats. I’ve liked some things he’s done in the preseason games, admittedly against scrubs, but. . .
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I also find it interesting that they put Brewster on PUP,
they must think he can contribute this year, or at least that it’s possible.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
It allows him to use the Cowboy's trainers and Facilies to rehab
I don’t think he can if he is on IR. Torn Pec is a long rehab….I think, not sure, need one of the Mommies to chime in on that.
Ahh, I see.
Thanks for clearing that up.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
That would be a very bizarre rule
A guy not being able to use the training facilities when he’s on IR? What would the rationale for that be? IR does me injured right?
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
that may be true
but i would be shocked if they can’t use the training facilities
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
ir means injured reserve not..
injured right…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 2, 2009 12:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously off topic
this is NOT a personals section. Go find your big guys somewhere else! Geeze.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
some how I new that was coming
i don’t want your damn flash cards anymore!
I'm a "Planet Theory" guy
The bigger the better
(That almost sounds obcene to say)
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Yeah see knees above
for how not to say it…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
"Knees" ?
Wrong name for this discussion!!
by Realist Larry on Sep 1, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You have to go up a bit
same topic tho
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
"Get on your knees, uhh go up a bit, I like Big Guys"... wtf?
I thought this was a football discussion?
Let’s talk about tight ends and specialists with sacks.
if you would have included red ball....
We might have all turned gay at the same time…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 2, 2009 12:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i hope raf is wrong about
Watkins, I can’t stand Merton Hanks Jr.
by TONYINCC on Sep 1, 2009 5:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Amen, brother, preach on!
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I can't wait to see Hodge get going
He should be our ST demon on coverage this year.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
I hope so.
He’s a guy they could really, really use.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Ogletree is undoubtedly in.
Stanback still has a shot to stick as well. Not really sure I care if he does or not.
But all of this talk about Ogletree running Crayton out of town next year is nonsense. I’m not sure what the reason is, but Crayton is greatly undervalued amongst fans. The guy still easily has the best hands on the team. He runs good routes. Has more than adequate speed and quickness, and though he is not a big guy, he blocks.
He is the one known commodity we have at WR. Roy should be good, but who knows if he can stay healthy. Miles Austin is a hope. Sam Hurd is a hope. Kevin Ogletree is a hope. At least we know what we have in Crayton. And Romo is quite comfortable with him when he’s got to have a play.
OBSERVATION - EMOTION = COMMON SENSE
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Sep 1, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions
Not to mention
Crayton is looking improved this pre-season. Better moves, more concentration, same great blocking downfield.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Is it just me or does he look faster this year?
That punt return showed some quickness that I haven’t seen before from Crayton.
Yeah I thought so too.
I think I heard that somewhere that he changed up his off-season workout to improve his speed and flexibility.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
He also worked out with Michael Johnson
With all the incoming rookies who were trying to improve their 40 time this summer.
It looks like it helped a bit!
I read that as
Michael Jackson the first time. I was like WTF???
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
He helped improve their moonwalk time
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
Yeah,
He can’t run any faster, but wait’ll you see his touchdown celebration.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
+1
Crayton = stability
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Mediocrity has too negative a connotation for me when it comes to Crayton.
I meant what Carl said, in that PC represents someone we can count on at WR. He’s been the most consistent Cowboy at the position and a great team member. He is a leader and a hard-worker who has seen #1s and #2s come and go here. Without him, there would be a Kosier-like hole at the WR position.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Kind of tells you why some of us grasp for the slightest hint of a legitimate WR don't it!
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aka Voice of reason
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
My best guess: They keep both.
Stanback’s special teams contributions will weigh into the decision, and we’ll try to sneak our extra LBs and OLs onto the practice squad.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Good point
most of those guys have done little to nothing to impress the Cowboys let alone some other team, so they stand a much better chance of getting through waivers.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Stanback is still not a WR
Watching him run routes in the game against the niners, he looked out of place and fumbled after barely getting touched. He is not developing, I say it is time to cut him loose, he is just taking up a roster spot. I would keep Johnson or Jefferson over him.
As a wide receiver, he's hanging onto the "project" thread ...
If they keep him, it will be because of special teams.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Kickoff Return "Fake Handoff"
On one of the 4th qtr. kickoffs, Stanback caught the kick and proceed to fake a reverse handoff to Ogletree, and his fake looked awful, I did not see one instance in the game the made me feel he was worth keeping around. I would hope the coaches can see the same thing I do, or prove me wrong by finding something he is actually better at than some rookies who can actually play a position.
by Cowboy_Chuck on Sep 2, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I like him and Austin returning kicks
He’s developed into a nice return guy and I’d rather have those two guys return kicks than risk Jones getting hurt.
In Romo we Trust
I will take Jones on kickoff returns every day of the week. At some point he is just going to have to stay healthy and his game-breaking ability on ST is too big to ignore.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I'd rather see that game breaking ability utilized
offensively. Austin and Stanback and even Olgetree are more than capable of returning kicks back to the hizzy.
In Romo we Trust
That’s a valid point because they are solid return men, but I think Felix has a chance to be in the top few at that job alongside guys like Joshua Cribbs and Hester. I know it is a risk, but it maximizes his touches and will give him more opportunities to be a game-breaker.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 2, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Amazing how guys like Hester and Deion never got seriously injured in a return...
I never even remember being all that worried about Deion getting injured. Until a guy actually sits out, they seem somewhat invincible to me.
Without much regard to logic, I don’t want to see TNew back there, but Felix just seems to tempt me a bit more.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I certainly don’t want to see TNew back there on most punt returns. He may be the most exciting guy, but TNew’s job (aka what he gets paid to do) isn’t to be a great offensive weapon. Instead, he needs to be shutting down the other team’s #1. Therefore, I say no to TNew (except in pinned situations) and yes to Felix.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 3, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Amen Cowboy_Chuck.....bout time some logic being thrown out...
His only play he fumbles the ball……Really….c’mon..
Ogletree has earned a place on this team
Regardless of what happens with Stanback…
One thing to note though, it’s a huge difference between the two in their comfort level playing WR and you can easily see it.
Stanback is a former QB and still learning the nuances of the WR position, he’s an athlete but he’s never looked as comfortable as Ogletree has catching the ball or running routes. Stanback is a QB still learning how to play WR, Ogletree is a WR and has been one, a gifted one at that.
Ask around and the name people bring up when talking about how guys ended up not getting drafted and his name pops up in the conversation quite a bit.
One thing that I think is interesting and should be talked about, is that initially we had Manuel Johnson higher on our draft board obvious because we took him in the 7th, then signed Ogletree as an UDFA. Now obviously that changed pretty quick because even in TC KG was running ahead of Johnson in drills, but it’s just interesting when we had a chance we opted to not draft him.
There is literally no way he makes it through waivers, so he’s almost a lock at this point I believe unless we want to hand him over for free. He looks like he can develop into a starter in a few years, but he’s leaps and bounds ahead of Stanback right now in terms of playing the WR position and looks like a natural. Talk of him replacing Crayton may be pre-mature now, but by his 3rd year it will probably be right on time.
by LonghornsLegend on Sep 3, 2009 12:59 AM CDT reply actions
Some good points here...
I am still on the fence regarding Stanback… I’ve posted both sides of the argument! Watching my Tar Heel Ronald Curry develop into a decent (not great) WR for Oakland gave me hope… but Stanback’s injuries and inexperience work together to hold him back.
Unlike Romo and Wade, Stanback doesn’t have a monkey on his back, he’s got a huge stamp that reads: “Potential”
Ogletree, on the other hand, seems to be the real deal. Three years for sure… I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets significant reps this year. When you’re consistently getting separation from the likes of Clements, you deserve some time.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
One last thing...
If Ogletree continues to improve and impress, and make other top CBs in the league look pedestrian, then all the clamoring for a 1st round WR pick should end… we’d have our guy! When there’s that much talent regularly (as in every year) making it into the second day … not to mention UDFAs … why EVER take a crap-shoot at a 1st round Wide Receiver?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
We can always hope
and Longhorns Legend makes some excellent points. I have thought the same things about Stanback – how difficult it is to make the transition, especially with all the injuries. It may also be why Crayton continues to improve after all this time in the league.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Who is better than Ogletree right now (on the roster)?
I’m curious to know what y’all think?
Hard to know
because game experience will matter and because we don’t have much to go by with Ogletree. . Williams I think for sure. And based on experience, Crayton. After that it gets murky. The Tree seems to be clearly better than Stanback. He probably has better natural talent than Hurd, although we need to see more to know about his hands and his downfield blocking, where Sam stands out. Probably has better hands than Austin, but can he get deep like Austin has at times?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I can't make a talent evaluation,
but at the moment, Ogletree has shown up in preseason games. Austin and Hurd have shown up in regular season games, but inconsistently (plus injury problems). Not saying Ogletree can’t do that, just that he hasn’t had the chance yet.
Definitely behind R Williams and Crayton, but we’ll find out soon, I hope, where Ogletree stands compared to Austin and Hurd.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
OGLESTREE ISNT GOING TO BE ON THE 45
you have 8 inactives on gameday. if williams, crayton, austin, and hurd are all healthy ogletree is not going to the game. hes a good receiver but he will have to wait for someone to get hurt.
I can't fully agree with this with one caveat
Until he gets a chance in the regular season…gotta say the 53
will he get the regular season chance
but my bet is he makes the 53 and wade goes with the devil that he knows…R williams, crayton, hurd, austin
Something tells me this kid will deliver…he has something about him that just says he can play
he’s gonna push the top 4 (maybe not williams but definitely the top 3 to up their game that’s for sure
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