Cowboys Offense -- How Deep is Your Squad?
NFL teams frequently rank their own talent by position. The Cowboys have their team scouts assess the roster for the first two weeks before they hit the scouting trails. The practice has two benefits. First, it gives the team a sense of where its talent lies and does not. Second, it gives the scouts a baseline.
The Cowboys scouting Kahuna Tom Ciskowski told me last year that he and his guys maintain profiles of their own roster and rate any college prospect against the talent in the Cowboys cupboard. The theory is that you don't want to target any prospect who can't challenge and beat out what's already here.
Today, I rank the offense, with a comparison to what was around in '08.
Quarterback
- Tony Romo -- Tony Romo
- Jon Kitna -- Brad Johnson
- Stephen McGee -- Brooks Bollinger
Quite an upgrade in the backup slots. Kitna needs more reps to improve his timing, but he can get the ball to all areas of the field. McGee is VERY green but you can see his skills, however raw. Bollinger was a multi-year vet when Dallas scooped him up last year. McGee's arrow points up; Bollinger's didn't.
Running Back
- Marion Barber -- Marion Barber
- Felix Jones -- Felix Jones
- Tashard Choice -- Tashard Choice
That's a comfortable depth chart, no? Jones should really be 1B to Barber's 1A and does anybody doubt that Choice has one of the smallest gaps between his 3 and Barter's 1? And that Choice will bust his butt to erase that gap?
Tight End
- Jason Witten -- Jason Witten
- Martellus Bennett -- Tony Curtis
- John Phillips -- Martellus Bennett
Another area of significant upgrade. Let's begin with Bennett. Last year at this time he was wiping the Hard Knocks egg off his face. Now, he's a proven receiving weapon. His blocking needs work, but it's fair and improving. Let's not overlook the value John Phillips brings. I think he's better than Tony Curtis right now, and his all-around game, not to mention Bennett's down-the-field skills, give the Cowboys some cover.
Last year, Witten played with cracked ribs, a bum ankle and an assortment of other injuries, because he had to. Curtis' blocking skills abandoned him and Bennett was an unknown. Now, if Witten were to suffer either of those injuries, the team could sit him for a game or two, let him heal, and not see the tight end position collapse. That's good bang for your 7th-round buck.
Wide Receiver
- Roy Williams -- Terrell Owens
- Patrick Crayton --Patrick Crayton
- Miles Austin -- Sam Hurd
- Sam Hurd -- Miles Austin
- Kevin Ogletree -- Isaiah Stanback
- Isaiah Stanback -- Mike Jefferson
The names are mostly the same but the situations are different. At this point last year, Hurd, Austin and Stanback were all nursing serious injuries. Danny Amendola was in the running for a roster spot by default. Today, the top five seem likely to dress and dress in good health at Tampa Bay twelve days from now.
Now, quality? Will Williams be better than Owens? I don't see how he can be worse. T.O. wasn't hurt last year and his play making skills went missing after the first Eagles game. Yes, he lit up Nate Clements for 200-plus yards, but remember, Kevin Ogletree got Clements last week. Austin has caught everything thrown his way since he dropped a grossly over-analyzed pass against Oakland. Sam Hurd is Sam Hurd, though maybe a bit faster, and hopefully more healthy. (His injury is a quad strain, which should be in good shape by opening day.)
Ogletree is an upgrade from Stanback. As always, health is the question here. This looks like a steady unit -- if Williams stops burning through his cat lives at warp speed and Hurd finds a way to avoid the knock, as the soccer folks say. The other question is whether Dallas keeps five or six wideouts? Stanback has been a core special teammer and if the rookie defensive players keep going down, he'll stick around a bit longer.
Offensive Line
- Flozell Adams -- Flozell Adams
- Leonard Davis -- Leonard Davis
- Andre Gurode -- Andre Gurode
- Marc Colombo -- Marc Colombo
- Kyle Kosier -- Cory Proctor
- Doug Free -- Pat McQuistan
- Montrae Holland -- Montrae Holland
- Duke Preston -- Doug Free
- Pat McQuistan -- Kyle Kosier
- Cory Proctor -- A jar full of rabbits feet
Another big upgrade, even though the names are about the same. Consider:
--at this point last year, Kosier was injured and everybody was crossing their fingers that he would not miss more than one real game. He missed fourteen.
-- Cory Proctor was the 5th best O-lineman on this team. Now, I'd rate him tenth, on the outside of the bubble, with Duke Preston still sight unseen. That's because...
-- Doug Free has looked much, much better this preseason. This is the guy everybody was talking about in '07, not the guy whose feet were abducted by aliens at Oxnard last year.
-- Holland is just Joe Average, but that's miles ahead of the '08 Holland, who could not displace Proctor in the lineup until November because he was overweight and unfamiliar with the Cowboys' scheme.
-- Preston is number 8 on this year's list; he's matched by the '08 Free who was never active for a real game. I haven't seen him yet, but I still feel safe calling this year's 8 an upgrade over last year's 8.
-- McQuistan has also improved this year, if not as much as Free. His counterpart is the one-legged Kosier.
Right now, Dallas has nine linemen. Free could play in a pinch. I'd say the same for McQ, who is no worse, and probably better than Rob Petitti. Holland and Preston have both been NFL starters.
Compare that to last year's team, which was really only five deep until Holland got his act together. And if we're honest about Proctor, they were four deep. That team could absorb one injury -- Kosier's -- but collapsed when a second guy got hurt. This group could probably handle a second injury, provided it was not long-term.
Compare spots 5 through 9 on this year's team to their counterparts on last year's team. There simply is no comparison.
Fullback
Deon Anderson -- Deon Anderson?
The guy has to stay healthy. Julius Crosslin plays with a lot of heart, but he bought his hands at the Roberto Duran store.
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Cowboys Sign Another OLB; Waive Guard
Posted by nickeatman at 9/1/2009 5:17 PM CDT on truebluefanclub.com
The Cowboys are trying to fill some holes in a rather thin outside linebacker position. On Tuesday, the club signed Curtis Johnson, a defensive end in the Colts’ 4-3 scheme. But Johnson, who was waived/injured because of a strained hamstring, should be able to convert to a 3-4 outside linebacker.
To make room for Johnson, the Cowboys released guard Greg Isdaner, a rookie free agent from West Virginia.
At 6-3, 237, Johnson fits the mold of the outside backers, but you wonder how much time it will take for him to make transition.
For now, the Cowboys are probably just looking for someone to rush the passer if needed, but more importantly play special teams. In three preseason games, Johnson recorded seven tackles and one sack – all occurring in the second exhibition game against Philadelphia.
Last year, Johnson made the Colts’ team as a rookie free agent from Clark-Atlanta. He played in seven games, recording four tackles and a sack.
Last week, the Cowboys signed Tearrius George, who spent most of the year on the Cowboys’ practice squad. At linebacker, the Cowboys have already lost fourth-round pick Brandon Williams (torn ACL) for the season and third-rounder Jason Williams is out 4-6 weeks with a high ankle sprain. Sixth-round pick Stephen Hodge has played in just one preseason game because of a nagging knee injury.
DC.com
The Colts fans are coming in on the FanShot.
One calls him CuJo! They say we’re gonna like him.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I went trolling
There’s a good bit of love for “CuJo” over there at Stampede Blue. They’re sad he’s gone. Even saw one post that talked about how athletic he looked running down the field on ST cover units.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
it seems to me that DE have little problem rushing....
From a standing position, I think its the dropping into coverage that makes them uncomfortable because I think they’re a little afraid of being in open space…jmo
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 1, 2009 10:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
More trolling
Here’s one interesting post on ‘CuJo’ (man I already like that nickname) from the Stampede Blue Site written by bamock.
I will list the things I like about Curtis Johnson and others can chime in if they like.
1) Solid special teams player. He has the kind of speed and motor, along with the strength and size, to be a Darrell Reid type of contributor on special teams. When I saw a man his size display enough athletic ability to run down on kick coverage, overrun the ball carrier, fall to the ground, get back to his feat, and run down the ball carrier from behind to get in on the tackle… only another 10-15 yards downfield no less… I was impressed.
2) Two years ago we had both of our primary pass rushers banged up. We were livid because we had no suitable pass rushers left on the squad. We were elated when we drafted Marcus Howard and excited to see CuJo show potential. With the two young pass rushers I think many of us saw promise for the future.
3) He has speed off of the edge. He also tracks down the ball across the field to make stops which others were unable to make. A valuable asset.
4) A deeper look into Johnson reveals that he is an outstanding athlete but not quick to pick up new defensive schemes. Accordingly, with more time in a system to develop, he becomes a much stronger player. As it was, in the preseason, I saw some very positive things from Johnson, improvement, and he seemed to have a lot of upside with very little cost.
5) Even if he is not a future Pro Bowler and will only serve as a back-up pass rusher and special teams player, he brought more to the squad in value than a host of other players who are still here.
The whole tread is quite complimentary about CuJo.
Sometimes I get this very weird feeling that Wade might actually know a thing or two about defense ….
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 2, 2009 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions
nice undercover trolling....
I also think wades best asset is his talent evaluation..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 2, 2009 11:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
His first round pick his first year was Spencer
Is that good?
Trolling your trolling
I love the CuJo nickname and will bring it to the site of whatever team he ends up on.
He should be a great special teamer and a good bring a good speed rush off the bench (maybe he even learned Freeney’s spin). He’s not a big guy and hasn’t played coverage since high school, so I wouldn’t expect more from him for a while.
It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.
by shake n bake on Sep 3, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
This is the part that I like from the scouting report.
he has a violent hand punch to overpower big blockers and a good burst off the edge to be a superb edge rusher. His strong hands have seen him have good success dislodging ballcarriers from the ball.
Forcing turnovers on ST = freaking sweet
Sounds good to me,
we could definitely use some o’ that.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Too light
But I’ll take any competition for Stewart.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
6'3" 237lbs???
That is NOT a prototype 3-4 OLB. Heck, he’s almost built like a safety. Those are almost Watkins’ measurements. This guy doesn’t have the ballast to play OLB in this scheme effectively. Also, what do I know ?
Nothing until you see him play.
Height and weight are just numbers. He was a DE for the Colts. That’s gotta say something about how big he plays.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they bought their scales at Walmart?
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Still
237 is a small DE, even in a 4-3. Perhaps in kilograms?
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He may be too light to come in every play and start fully as an OLB. But there is no reason why he can’t contribute as ST player and a situational pass rusher (which is a backup OLB’s job most days anyway). I like the signing a lot.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 1, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
6'3" 237lbs???
That would make him an inch taller and 8 lbs lighter than James and an inch taller and 4 lbs lighter than Brooking…. close enuf for me….
Can you imagine getting fired up over your hometown getting a minor league football franchise... and then they sign Quincy Carter to be QB!!!
Numbers are still close enough...
… give or take a trip to Golden Corral…
Can you imagine getting fired up over your hometown getting a minor league football franchise... and then they sign Quincy Carter to be QB!!!
17 pounds?
Remind me to keep you away from my local Golden Coral!
That’s a lot considering it’s usually all muscle weight. at the LB position.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I think Wade said
he’s up to 254 right now.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
6’3", 242 lbs; 4.60 40-Yard Dash; 4.46 20-Yard Shuttle; 6.78 3-Cone Drill; 26" Vertical Jump; 25 Bench Reps at 225 pounds.
he is a long shot
we got him for nothing, he could suprise, maybe even fill in if there are injuries. on the other hand if he is cut it is not like it even matters
twowords
special teams.
They suddenly got reallllllly thin there. Who were the ST LBs they were counting on who has gone down?
Jason WIliams
Stephen Hodge
Brandon Williams
Justin Rogers was cut.
If your counting Proctor as a guard, I would keep Bright insted
2nd strongest linemen at the combine and has more tonnage that Proctor, but probably doesn’t move as well.
tonnage
I had to look it up.
the capacity of a merchant vessel, expressed either in units of weight, as deadweight tons, or of volume, as gross tons.
Does Proctor = the deadweight?
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
as far as linemen go Proctor = lightweight,
oh webster defines
procto- or proct-
pref.
Anus or rectum:
We should have known better!
Lol!
I have been trying to come up with some Proctorology joke!
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Webster defines proctor as...
Noun
From olde Texan
“Proctor” – To be, or be the equivalent of, the worst player in the NFL, ever.
Don't get me started on Tucker
man could have been a Pro Boxl Guard!
mr. knees.. i dont think the nfl has used.....
A boxl guard since the time of leather helmets…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 1, 2009 11:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i think its a combo of the 2 definitions...
It is one who guards while on his anus or rectum…so its hard to block when you keep getting knocked on your ass..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 2, 2009 11:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Urban Dictionary defines proctor as...
2. Many Proctor offsprings have genes different to that of the parent, differing in skin colour. Proctors are usually an outgoing bunch and enjoy the easy life, some might say they are lazy. Food is their main companion and some could even say that a Proctor is indeed, a dumbass.
4. verb. A form of movement. There are several variations, some similar to skipping or dancing, others more like front crawl.
It can also be used to describe general hanging around, similar to mooch.
5. When an individual or several people engage in behaviour likened unto ADD or downsyndrome.
It defines “Procter” as…
A random person also known as twatface
ex: OMG YOUR SUCH A PROCTER
You decide. Personally I like “a general hanging around, similar to mooch.”
Oh no, you didn't just mention the Urban Dictionary, did you?
One Saturday morning, when my brother and I were minding our own business watching College Gameday … behind the announcers, where all the fans of (Was it Georgia?) were, well, being fans … there was one kid holding up a sign that simply said “Lobster Claw.”
It left us both wondering WTF? So, of course we googled it, and came across the infamous Urban Dictionary.
I could mention many things, but the winner is MUNG.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
So of course I had to look up Lobster Claw on UD
You can purchase coffee mugs with any term and its definition from that site.
It’s the perfect way to impress your boss and coworkers.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
I was at work
so I’ll have to do that tonight. No need getting fired over “lobster claw”…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
You probably would be fired
Also placed on some kind of list compiled by law enforcement.
The curse of being Dalai’s pet cat requires you use extra caution from now on.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
Raf and Grizz should suspend him for two games...
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I was hoping for a five game suspension...
All this reading sometimes feels like actual work.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I think you need to go on IR for the season
Just bringing a word like that in to this sacrid place. You must have drain Bramage!
I'm not counting Proctor on the final roster
I said he was “on the outside of the bubble.”
Plz forgive the insane ramblings of an old man, noble blog master
These old eyes completely disregarded the numbers placed in front of each knights name. If we go with 9 then you think Proctor may have not been called for off sides for the last time or maybe McQ could possibly a have not played in his last game for the boys?
Of coarse even a tired, and haggard old fan such as myself realises that this positioning is dependent on if the Duke is accually an up grade.
Damn commute
I missed the hat trick…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Man, I Love you!
I know I’ve said it before, but you are truly the voice of the fan.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Sure is a lot of manlove going on today,
first bad knees on the Ogletree thread, and now this!
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
+1
Knees is outa control like Richard Simmons at a Jonas Brothers concert….
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Now THAT is a picture I'd rather not have in my mind,
thank you very much.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
okay, dude
Your avatar photo wins.
It just does.
A jar full of rabbits feet
Priceless!!!
Congratulations Bob Hayes
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by Raul Villaronga on Sep 1, 2009 6:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
+1
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Bennett and Witten
These dudes are leading the team in receptions this preseason. MartyB has 10 for 104 yards, while JWitt’s got 7 for 70 with a touch.
It’s only the beginning, but I can’t wait to see how these two match up against starting D’s!
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Does anyone else think that Wade/Redball get a little too cute?
It seems that Wade & Co. go out of their way to “hide” their gameplans.
I personally like the “Here I am, come stop me” model.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
ya, if you got the speed and muscle to do it
then again we have all the haters and the media to do it for us.
i suspect
because it’s not a very diverse gameplan (nor does it need to be)
i think the successful offenses have a stable of plays that when executed well, just cant be stopped.
have a limited amount of switchup plays that you dont want people prepared for that have a high rate of success getting large gains or points..
i like it
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Sure beats the lame WildCat plays the Niners tried to run on us.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
they must not line up very well in practice
thats the only benefit they got from running that hot gar-bajh. cant be what they plan to do once the lights come on
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Does anyone else have an issue with Wade/Redball hiding everything?
Sometimes I feel these guys get too dute for their own good.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Andy Rooney answer: Does any one really know why they call him Red ball?
I mean if your balls are red, wouldn’t you hide them?
Why don’t we do it like we did it last year? Didn’t the opposing defenses like knowing what we were going to do?
And why don’t we just give the media our play book? Wouldn’t that be the best way to keep our fans informed?
Redball?
Comes from his frst training camp with the Cowboys… By then the receivers would call Aikman “8-Ball”, so the red headed Garrett came along and the simple minds at the positions had an easy nickname…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
So, then does he call Romo "9-ball"?
It is more of a get-in-the-groove, quick-strike type of game.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Again with the man-love references
That’s twice today, knees…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
lol man-love and red balls,
I’m really not comfortable with where this discussion is going . . .
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Do I since just a hint of jealousy dunk?
That’s so sweet. Sick, but sweet.
the name red ball is a medical term...
It is a result of a nasty unicycle accident he suffered while he was trying out for clown collage.. Its a badly lacerated ball that has been ripped from the sack.
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 2, 2009 12:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe Garrett, but I think Wade's been doin' some fine blitzin'
especially with the ILBs.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 1, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I see your point
but I guess with parity they are trying to get every possible advantage….
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Faint praise indeed.
better than Rob Petitti
seriously, I’m glad to hear that McQ is still a viable, although not the first or second even, option as a backup.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I thought the same thing
and I wonder if they are going to try him at guard again.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Yeah,
how much time has McQ actually spent at guard? They’d put him there and then injuries would kick him back out to tackle, if I remember correctly.
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Or I just type "bq." before the paragraph.
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by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
If Dallas had to use him the way the '06 Cowboys used Petitti
they could survive.
So long as the other starters were in place.
QB, RB and TE I feel really good about.
Raf, you and Norm have made me feel better about the OL.
And at least I’m comfortable with our WR’s (and excited about Ogletree’s potential).
I think what we’ve seen during preseason bears out your opinion of the offense, and I’m ready to see them turn loose in a couple of weeks.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Hey, it's not the line I would like
I still think they need to draft a young C to push Gurode and a RT (Brewster is gonna play G when he comes back.)
But Preston and Holland are as good as you’re gonna get off a late preseason trade.
The fact is this is a better line. Is it a great 9-deep line? No. But there was NO depth at all
last year. Proctor was the only dependable backup and he had to start.
The team:
- didn’t trust Free to activate him once; would not put McQuistan in the lineup when Adams clearly needed to sit two games and heal his shoulder;
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— didn’t have Holland until the 12th game cause he was not in condition and couldn’t get their system down.
They didn’t have a single backup they were willing to put on the field, which is why Flozell played hurt in October and looked awful.
That’s not the case this year. That doesn’t mean Preston is Derek Kennard or that Holland is the second coming of Ron Stone. But they’re certainly better than what this team had a year ago.
Much too optimistic
Raf – I see your points, but I don’t see where you are comparing apples to apples – as soon as injuries start to kick in, who knows where we’ll be…but you are right, as for this particular point in time, things look very good, indeed. If JJ turned on the sprinklers, and there were an all out brawl between our ‘09 guys and last year’s crew, we’d kick the crap outta those guys, no doubt about it. You can see it; our guys now a lot more intense and hungry…that’s the real difference, and that would be an interesting analysis.
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
a little too optimistic
Where’s my-2-cents to piss on the parade.
by TONYINCC on Sep 1, 2009 9:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I agree with Raf, except ...
the O-Line is no better than it was last year. I have seen nothing from our reserves (Free, McQ, Proctor, Holland) in the preseason that tells me they can fill in for a long period of time. If we lose a starter I think we would be in the same hole we were in last year. Lets all hope that the team stays healthy!!
Well, he's stating his opinion, not a fact...
But he was present for a bunch of practices in Training Camp and I can almost guarantee that he reviewed these past few preseason games to see some these guys play… It’s also likely that he talked with his scouting sources…
So, he’s stating an informed opinion.
BTW, I also believe that they’re better this year, Free makes me think Preseason 2007, not Preseason 2008 and Kosier is his usual self. That’s 2 guys that make this roster MUCH better.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Kosier,
has been a beast in the pre season, I think he’s improved or I just never noticed how good he was. I think he’s better than he was before.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 2, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Underappreciated...
Or did we just get too accustomed to the utter disgrace that is Procter, and now someone that’s even average looks incredible? :P
You don't think Free can play?
Let’s play the Bill Parcells’ game, which he used on media who ripped on his players.
— Put Free on the block. See how many teams call you.
It will be a lot.
I'm reserving judgement until I see a drive where Dallas actually runs between the tackles a little
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2009 10:44 PM CDT reply actions
They did a couple of times in PS games already
Including some tough inside running by El Gato for a TD. But yeah, I still don’t think it’s their long suit…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I felt like I was nit picking
Or is it picking nits? Regardless, it doesn’t seem like Dallas has been able to run up the middle for too many years. They have certainly had the size that you would think they could just maul people. The pass blocking was really good in the PS, particularily the 1st team.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
No, you're right
it’s not consistent. That’s been my complaint about this line – they are very good, but often inconsistent. For example, one snap Flo might false start, another Colombo, in another Gurode forgets the snap count, or Bigg misses a block completely. They are all well above average, but they seem to have mental lapses. Not enough to kill the team, but enough to kill some drives.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
lol dunk....mike irvin has there long suit...
But against SF they ran up the middle well…plus did anyone else see bigg on the draw play when felix scored, he mauled that LB so its not just carp that has a prob. Shedding blocks when giving up100lbs…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 2, 2009 11:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely love the Roberto Duran reference...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
regarding WR,
I think with TO we had instant strike capability (ughhh presumably most of the time…), with the group now, we are going to have a statistical regression to the means, which might not be a bad thing. Last year opposing DC’s were scheming against TO and JW, this year they wouldn’t know who to scheme against, besides JW, everybody else does not scare the s%$& of other defenses and thats where we seal their fate. We can strike em with many
Hurd > Austin
And Stanback doesn’t matter. He’s getting the axe this year. I hope he doesn’t even make the practice squad.
He won't be on the practice squad.
He either makes the Cowboys as #6 or goes somewhere else. Raf already laid out the ST scenario that keeps him in Dallas
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there will be a #6 WR
Seems that they could use an extra body at LB or OL
So let me be the first to say, “Goodbye Stanback! It was fun while it lasted and I had high hopes for you, but you failed. Have fun in Oakland”
If Jerry Jr. can get anything for the WR's Dallas will cut
He should be arrested for theft. But I would love it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't think so
People beat up on Austin for dropping that Raiders game pass and pushed Hurd ahead of him and then conveniently forgot Hurd’s drop the folloing week.
Austin has deep speed. And he’s caught every thing since. That sliding, behind his back catch in the 49ers game shows he’s got hands.
When the real games start and the Cowboys go three wide, Austin is gonna be wide, with Crayton in the slot inside him. It won’t be hurt. I guarantee it.
It won't be hurt?
(shakes head) that should read, “it won’t be Hurd.”
For all their similarities, they're quite different players
They came along about the same time, taking the same path. Other than that they’re very different. To me Hurd is more like Crayton than Austin.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
But if Austin ends up on the wrong spot or falls down trying to make a cut, how many times do you think Romo will be throwing him the ball?
Hurd runs better routes than Austin and if you haven’t noticed Romo really likes to throw the ball to the people who run good routes.
If he beats a guy and gets deep then he will definitely get a few passes thrown his way but he hasn’t been showcasing that speed that everyone has been talking about. Or if he has then I am not seeing it this year. Sure he showed it a few times last year, but this preseason I have not been impressed by Austin. I think the talk of him becoming #2 and his comments about his goal becoming the #1 within the next few years is really getting to his head.
Hopefully I am wrong and he is 100% baller.
again no
Austin ran that skinny post in Oakland, and Hurd cant even run that rout. I think Autins raut running is miles ahead of where it was.
I also think the O has plans for Austin that none of us have seen yet. As a matter of fact Wade told us that in a presser a couple days ago.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 2, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right
What we haven’t seen out of Austin in the ps has more to do with the plays that have been called than his performance. Wade and Garrett see him everyday in practice. We don’t. We’ll know soon enough
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I second that, I kept thinking where is the big play?
we didn’t show anything, dinks and dunks, occasional long run, but PS is all vanilla on O and D (except maybe WP likes to blitz a little more)
I can picture Wade eating a vanilla cone
with sprinkles
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Romo and others have said this in interviews
(1) that they are intentionally keeping the deep plays out of the pre-season games
(2) they are taking what the defenses are giving and mostly they are seeing Cover 2 in the PS
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Okay fine you are right. Austin will be the #2 next year.
Hurd will be doomed at #4 because Austin is lightyears ahead of him.
I still don’t see Romo trusting him enough for him to make a huge impact. I mean his 18 career catches is good and everything, but is it really enough to say that he is proven more than Hurd?
Sorry for being skeptical but I am not about to shove sunshine up his ass until he shows me a rainbow. Something consistent. Not a flash of brilliance every now and again.
I'm skeptical of Austin...
He hasn’t proven anything to me except that he is fast and has a great WR build.
Hurd hasn’t proven anything either.
All this talk about him being the next best thing is premature. Romo has a priority list of receivers he trusts whether you want to accept it or not. The top of that list starts with Witten and no one really knows where Austin is on it.
Including you
For all we know, Austin is #2 on the list, or maybe #6. None of us know
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't fault you for wanting to see production
So do I. I’ve been on his bandwagon a long time and want to see him break out this year. Based on what I’ve seen and heard, I think there’s a good chance that is going to happen.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fair
I am an optimist, so in my little world ALL of them are going to have a break-out season. A thousands yards for each of them and Pro-Bowl berths for all. I know it’s not realistic, but it makes me feel good inside.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
but it makes me feel good inside.
And that’s why we’re all here
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I’m not sure. I sense a lot of rage coming through from some bloggers. DalaiLuke says that’s bad karma.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
whatever happened to mcq's twin bro?
didnt mcq have a twin bro that was rated a little bit higher and drafted a little higher by the raiders maybe? how is he doing?
I get tired of this Byedawk philly fan, he's an idiot
Offensive Line
Flozell Adams - Flozell Adams Leonard Davis
Leonard Davis -
Andre Gurode — Andre Gurode
Marc Colombo — Marc Colombo
Kyle Kosier — Cory Proctor
Doug Free — Pat McQuistan
Montrae Holland — Montrae Holland
Duke Preston — Doug Free
Pat McQuistan — Kyle Kosier
Cory Proctor — A jar full of rabbits feet
Another big upgrade, even though the names are about the same. Consider:
—at this point last year, Kosier was injured and everybody was crossing their fingers that he would not miss more than one real game. He missed fourteen.
— Cory Proctor was the 5th best O-lineman on this team. Now, I’d rate him tenth, on the outside of the bubble, with Duke Preston still sight unseen. That’s because…
— Doug Free has looked much, much better this preseason. This is the guy everybody was talking about in ’07, not the guy whose feet were abducted by aliens at Oxnard last year.
— Holland is just Joe Average, but that’s miles ahead of the ‘08 Holland, who could not displace Proctor in the lineup until November because he was overweight and unfamiliar with the Cowboys’ scheme.
— Preston is number 8 on this year’s list; he’s matched by the ‘08 Free who was never active for a real game. I haven’t seen him yet, but I still feel safe calling this year’s 8 an upgrade over last year’s 8.
— McQuistan has also improved this year, if not as much as Free. His counterpart is the one-legged Kosier.
Right now, Dallas has nine linemen. Free could play in a pinch. I’d say the same for McQ, who is no worse, and probably better than Rob Petitti. Holland and Preston have both been NFL starters.
Compare that to last year’s team, which was really only five deep until Holland got his act together. And if we’re honest about Proctor, they were four deep. That team could absorb one injury — Kosier’s — but collapsed when a second guy got hurt. This group could probably handle a second injury, provided it was not long-term.
Compare spots 5 through 9 on this year’s team to their counterparts on last year’s team. There simply is no comparison.
I know I cant figure out how to block it in blue, help?
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 2, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
just click on the quote icon on top
and copy and paste whatever you want in the block quote.
In Romo we Trust
icon quote on top
on top of what and where
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 2, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
tah dah!
on top of the space where you write your comments/blockquote>
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 2, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
hey norm...i think.
You should do a play by play of byedawk’s posts. But he does add some zest to the btb, at least he doesn’t come on here and be disrespectful.
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 2, 2009 11:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You should see the stuff he writes on other blogs,
he’s a cowboy hater through and through. His stance on the O-line being old and bad with no depth is just stupid.
I want even go into the ignorance of his rose colored view of all things eagles.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 2, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
It's ok
Sometimes I’ll follow him around and give him a hard time. It’s fun, especially when we begin to spar on the Redskin’s site. Redskins fans get so confused they end up switching sides constantly, then they get real mad when they realize we have hijacked their post. it’s hilarious.
Highlight the part you want in a box
and then click the "" marks.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Highlight the part you want in a box
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Highlight the part you want in a box
This is kind of fun…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
like, psychadelic, man, far out. . . .
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I can only imagine
what it must be doing to hashiskabob right now…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I'll bet he's enjoying it. . .
and likes your “art” too.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
You could also write all your posts
with the text aligned on the right
Or use larger fonts
to shout really loud!
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 2, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
He's really only comfortable
around numbers…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Looks like we keep Stanback
through the first month or so of the season for ST play as has been noted. As rookies come back from injury, his spot on the roster could be in jeopardy.
The 7th Rule of "Fight Club": Fights will go on as long as they have to.
Which rookie would come back and play his role?
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
He probably means the LBs
like Williams and Hodge who will be our ST aces. Right now Stanback is one of our better ST players.
In Romo we Trust
I understand
But are those players interchangeable? Does Stanback play a ST position that could be replaced by a LB type?
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 2, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Doing what?
Ogletree is returning kickoffs, what is Standback doing?
I have wondered that too
is he really making that many tackles? The Tree looked pretty good against the 49rs returning kicks.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Raf
I appreciate the hard work you and the others do on this blog.
This is one great read, and sometimes I think it is easy to take such wisdom and knowledge with the ability to express and share it for granted,
Thanks to all,
+ 100
always look forward to your posts, Raf, and can’t wait for your next post on the defense. I particularly like the writing style, it always carries a subtle undercurrent of pent-up anger and a hint of righteous wrath. Much appreciated.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 2, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
well said … after running around to so many sites… BTB just feels like home
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
After his lifetime of profligate blogging, Raf
you’ve taught DalaiLiuke the virtues of commitment and constancy. There must be some kind of humanitarian award for this.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Believe me, if anyone can get commitment and constancy out of me...
They’d deserve a spot on the Saints list … and we ain’t talkin’ New Orleans.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Wouldn't it be funny if...
we ended up with the best young WR (Ogletree) in the division when the Gi-ants, bEagles, and Redskanks have spent the last two years drafting high pick WR like crazy? How many 1st & 2nd round WR do they have between them in the last two drafts? Six? Seven? Come on Ogletree. Prove you are the gem we think you are. Of course, you have Romo throwing to you which kind of makes it an unfair fight IMO.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
I thought the same thing
That kind of thing happens all the time especially with WRs. I’d say it’s a crap shoot, but craps gives you better odds than picking a WR…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I'd like overachievers as WR, it gives the team a team first and shows heart, "coach what would it take to get back in the game? It will take heart" G. Hackman
what was the name of the Jets WR from Hofstra, he was fiesty
Wayne Chrebet
Had to look it up, and he’s only retired for 3 years. I loved that guy. If Keyshawn had half his heart…
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Ratliff's back-up?
Steeler NT Casey Hampton is upset that he doesn’t have a new contract, but soon he might not even have a job. Rumors have been surfacing that the Steelers plan to release Hampton before the start of the regular season.
from fantasyguru.com
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Twitter Account
Rumors? Why would you release a guy that has so much trade value?
Do the Steelers just grow these D-Linemen on trees? Are they so deep they can just let a NT go? WOW if it happens.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Nothing to this
He’s heading to free agency next spring. That’s clear. The Steelers are not negotiating an extension with him now.
But the idea that he’s gonna be cut is crazy. A Pittsburgh beat writer asked Hampton and Dick LeBeau about the rumor and both laughed out loud.
PIttsburgh ain’t stupid. What do they gain cutting him now? Nothing that I can see.
true
What kind of contract do you think he will command? Why not sign him? Injury history?
NE and Pitt don’t appear intersted in signing their NT’s.
"No matter where you go, you are what you are playa"-Jay Z
Twitter Account
Pettiti was decent until he injured his ankle. He was never going to be anything more then a backup but he would have been OK there.
He played for a year in New Orleans, then got cut.
I don’t think he’s in the NFL anymore.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Terrance Copper is KC starting WR?
http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/nfl_news.cfm?news_id=597
wasn’t he on the cowboys roster at some point few years back? Than again KC is sooo bad its not much surprising
They cut Amani Toomer too.
It’s probably just me but I’d feel more comfortable having an old reliable like Amani on the roster just in case one of the young bucks shudders from fright when the real games roll around.
Copper and Rector
were both pretty good. Arguably better than Hurd and Austin. Hard to compare, though, since none of the 4 have done much in the league.
I think you got your numbers mixed up...
Turnstile is 71 Proctor, not 77 McQ….
Can you imagine getting fired up over your hometown getting a minor league football franchise... and then they sign Quincy Carter to be QB!!!
I think we are definitely deeper than last year
Our backups on the line look MUCH better. Our receivers are deeper, seem to be more competent, and while i disagree RW “can’t do worse” than TO, especially considering hes currently injured, I don’t think we’ll see much of a downgrade if any. At rb, we know we have 3 excellent options. At TE, we have 1 all world player and a guy in bennett who could be the x-factor for this team.
Unfortunately, this ridiculous wealth of depth on offene seems to be the opposite of our D…Our starters overall seem better than last year, but we just don’t have the depth. Theres a good chance Bobby Carpenter and Victor Butler will see significant snaps at least some point this year, and that may not be pretty. I think we all had MUCH more faith in this group last year at the start of the season. With all our rookies going down like flies, suddenly the good ST we were hoping for may not be as good.
That's a good point
How do you end up with less depth on defense when you draft so many defensive players every year? Seems weird.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
shocking stat of the day
In 2005, Rob Petitti and Larry Allen were the only two offensive players for the Cowboys to play every offensive snap that season.
Wow!

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