No Big Returns Means a Good Early Return From the Cowboys Special Teams
by Rafael Vela on Sep 13, 2009 8:22 PM CDT
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PrintAll teams are works in progress in week one, but I can proclaim Joe DeCamillis' guys first game a success. His overhaul of last year's decidedly unspecial teams had to begin with kickoff and punt coverage, where the Cowboys ranked among the league's worst.
The Cowboys drafted several players for their coverage prowess and added kickoff specialist David Buehler. Many of the draftees were sidelined by injury -- Jason Williams, Stephen Hodge, Michael Hamlin foremost on the list -- but Buehler earned his money today.
Three of his seven kickoffs were touchbacks. His very first kick landed on the backline of the end zone, meaning that roughly six minutes into the season, Buehler had more touchbacks than Nick Folk had all last year. Two others were returned to the 22 and only one made it past the Cowboys' 30. Compare this to last year's group, which had an average starting position of the opponent's 29 and a half. We only have one week, but it's a promising start.
Buehler's kicking buddies also did their parts. Nick Folk put a forgettable preseason behind him by nailing a 51 yarder just minutes into the game. It was dead center and far up the net behind the goalpost. Mat McBriar was again booming punts, averaging 54.8 yards on four punts. He kicked a 63 yarder that was fielded on the goal line in the third quarter.
The return games were nothing to brag about, but Gerald Sensabaugh made the special team's first big play of the season by blocking the Bucs attempt to tie the score at three. Dallas overloaded the Bucs left perimeter with three rushers on the Bucs two edge blockers. When the end man blocked the outside man, Sensabaugh, the middle man in Dallas rush trio, knifed inside for the block.
After a season in which a big return to three were the norm, a quiet return sheet by the Bucs was perfect.
Numbers Good and Bad
4-for-41 -- the Cowboys penalty totals. It's just one game, but lines like this will put the team in the top third in fewest penalties if it continues. Sometimes you win when you don't beat yourself.
174 -- the Bucs rushing yards. This is objective one with the Giants looming on the horizon. The Bucs Derrick Ward and Cadillac Williams had huge runs running away from Dallas overload blitzes. Some credit to Bucs OC Greg Olson, who had a good feel for Wade Phillips' blitz patterns.
1 -- the number of sacks allowed. Ronde Barber bagged Romo on a corner blitz off the slot on the game's first series.
0 -- the number of sacks recorded. Demarcus Ware was not himself after suffering a neck stringer three plays into Tampa Bay's first series. Anthony Spencer came close to a couple of sacks early and the linemen got some belts on him late, but Leftwich made his share of big throws just ahead of Dallas' rush. The Cowboys need to improve here but I think they're the first team to learn that Tampa Bay has a good young offensive line.
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Run defense....
Hopefully we figure this out. It’s way early to panic.
Anomoly............Lands on Earth.......9/15/09
Esp with us playing the Gints next week
We’ve got to fix this hole in the middle. The optimist in me is chalking it up to no game film on the new TBay offense. I hope I’m right.
How Bout Them Cowboys!
The good news
is that Brooking said it was that guys weren’t in their proper gaps, not that were getting out physicalled.
In Romo we Trust
I would think that is bad news...
It did look like they were in the right gaps but what do I know, I do know that tackling needs to improve but only 8 quarters of tackling there probably is a little rust that still needs to be kicked off. Our defense did look better in the second half
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Sep 13, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think that's the trade-off for not tackling in TC.
Hopefully, the snaps in preseason and now a full game brings back the muscle memory and there’s fewer Giants running through arm tackles next week.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Dallas has trouble with hard chargers like Ward and Graham.
And Jacobs has always done well against us, so it should be interesting next week. I think that big and hard running backs give us so much trouble shows that more time needs to be given to fundamental tackling.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
However terence Newman was mugged on the long run and Anthony Spencer was held all day.
What was the flozell personal foul?
by oneforthethumb on Sep 13, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I wondered that too.
They never showed what that was for.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 on all of the above
Event he announcers started pointing out the holds. It was not a good afternoon for officiating either.
They never showed what Flo did, but boy did that one kill the drive.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
0 - Takeaways
Surprised you didn’t touch on this one, Raf. Jenkins had a pick called off because of an incredibly ticky-tack penalty, but it was an outright gift. We still haven’t seen the Dallas secondary (which is supposed to be better this year) make a good play on a ball and steal one from the opposing offense. Considering all of the passes in the later phases of the game I would hope we could at least get close to one or two, but I didn’t see anything.
While that was a gift...
it was caused by pressure.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but
the correct play there would have been to take the sack. If Jenkins gets the pick, great, but it was caused by pressure and not by superior DB play. I’m just saying I thought the secondary was supposed to be one of our strengths, and we saw them give up a couple of big plays. The final two plays of the first half were a bomb to Clayton and an absolutely blown coverage that could have resulted in a touchdown to put the Bucs up 1. It’s week one, but I expected a lot more from the secondary than what I saw.
Newman was
caught watching and flat footed on the clayton catch.
no excuses but I can’t belive the number of holding penalties missed today. The bucs were holding spencer all day.
by oneforthethumb on Sep 13, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The Doctor is correct ....
sure it was an uneven, ragged, week 1 performance, but still….. Some big blown coverages and little pressure. That was a strong performance by the Tampa O Line tho. Whats the saying ’ those guys are on scholarship too?’.
Credit where credit is due.
Yea i agree
we seemed to be doing that 2006/2007 Bengals game thing where once we get a big lead we back off and don’t take chances
really? we had a big touchdown pass in the fourth to go up by 20...
after this, we used MBIII to grind out a first … of course we wanted a longer drive, but what would you change?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
i saw plenty of plays by the "improved" secondary
by Sensi. Thong and/or Kd would have been 5 steps late.
The coverage was hot and cold
but hey, ’let’s go back to ’07. The Cowboys gave up a TON of passing yards in September and everybody was all over Wade, especially after the Giants lit up the secondary in week one.
That team needed a month before it got its act straightened out, but it was also 4-0 at the end of that month.
If teams are still gashing them for 160-170 two weeks from now, and there are no picks, I’ll move the concern dial up a notch, but not after one game.
Raf always coming up with a good point...
Now that I see our Offense can be prolific…we win shootouts until the D can get their act together…
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 13, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a side note....
I’m watching this game with Jay Cutler and I remember the “what if” scenarios and if we would trade Romo straight up for Cutler.
This QB I’m watching right now.. I would NOT trade Romo for.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions
aaaah
and I say this Jay Cutler throws another HORRIBLE pick.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Possibly
he should eat more oatmeal.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
He's type I
he should not be eating any carbs at all.
I'm joking
Because Wilford Brimley was the Quaker Oats guy.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No difference between type 1 and type 2 once on insulin
It is true that we watch our carbs but use insulin to control the blood sugar when we do. The biggest problems with carbs is weight gain and that is probably not a problem with a professional football player. Every body needs carbs for energy – especially during game time.
(I am not a doctor but am a diabetic for 22 years).
Cutler looks like crap
Fans get on Romo for making bone headed plays, holy hell, Cutler has made more in one half than Romo made the entire 2008 season.
In Romo we Trust
The interception to Jolley
would have sent me over the edge.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Cutler has been THE king of bad decisions in Scientific Football the last three years
K.C.has been hammered in the Chicago press and by the Chicago fans by saying, over and over again, that he won’t be a big upgrade over Orton because he makes too many boneheaded picks.
He’s probably watching this game right now and yelling, “I told you so!” at his TV.
I maintain my previously held position
Cutler is one of the most overrated QBs in the league. Perhaps McDaniels knows exactly what he was doing in exchanging a 17-20 career QB for a 21-12 career QB. Oh wait, its 17-21 and 22-12 now lol.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 14, 2009 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions
perspective
Amazing what a little perspective can do. we have things to fix, but we are better than some and a lot better than some…
Kyle Orten for Denver today
17 for 28 243 yds passing 1 TD 0 INT
And the win!
(And to think Denver got draft pick too)
Yeah but that TD wasnt exactly a great pass by him....it was a deflected ball that landed in Stokley's hand by miracle....
Orton aint no Romo either….
Maybe we have a new
immaculate reception?
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
I was just about to post this
Hes doing awful, this would be a disaster game for Romo. Our fans would be all over him.
so i just watched the highlights
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009091308/2009/REG1/cowboys@buccaneers/watch
and Romo….definitely spanked Witten after the 80 yard Crayton touchdown. He even wound up. Theres the baseball butt slap and then theres….that.
If he keeps throwing 80 yard TDS...
I don’t care if he spanks every person in the stands.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
romo does like his blondes..
lol
"We play to win the game" - Herm Edwards
by nicholas.rodriguez on Sep 13, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
who was pretty today?
The Eagles looked really good, but they got a lot of help from Delhomme. Every other team has some flaws to work on.
Eagles on offense didn't look too pretty
But their defense was killer, as usual.
Yeah, but how much of that was Delhomme? I mean people are wondering if this guy is gonna be benched...
Dude pretty much gifted that game to the Eagles.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 13, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
He’s pulling a Vandershank on CAR. He’s totally lost his mojo.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 14, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The Eagles D kicks butt every year.
So it was probably a combination.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I was surprised
by TB’s O line. They were very solid. We did have some pressure, but Leftwich was getting it out just before the hit. I think we’ll improve our rush next week.
T Bay O- Line
Yeah they were good and gave Lord Byron lots of time to throw. Are they better than the Gints O-Line? Maybe just as good, no worse. Eli will pick us apart with that kind of time …..
I expect to see those inside twists work next week instead of watching LB’s run up the backs of D linemen.
No...
I doubt TB’s oline is better than the giants.
And I doubt Eli rips us up. TB has some real talent to throw to…the giants…do not.
Not saying the Giants passing game won’t be good enough to balance their run game and get them a W, but heres no way Eli Manning is throwing all over us
that TBAy line is good
Don’t fool yourself, i doubt the Giants have a better line.
Dallas is a lot more familiar with the gints oline than the bucs, they face them twice a year and are going to try and
repeat what they did in dallas last year. Load up against the run and dare sheili to beat them with his arm, if the deadskins had an offense they would have been able to beat them. The iggles need to worry about when Dnabb will be back to form since he has cracked ribs. All week one has told me is that this division is wide open between dallas, ny, and phi.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
TB O-Line
the TB Offensive has been quietly built with high round draft picks over the last few years.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 14, 2009 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously friends
What was that little spanking all about? That was some real emotion from our darling qb
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 13, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions
I think that perhaps he
figured that the Troy Polamula Head and Shoulders commercial would shield anything that could be seen as homoerotic in sports.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Not long...
or I haven’t ever seen it take very long at least.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he was just being silly
but….in this day and age, ya never know what those a-wipes over at ESPN will do with that tape. What’s – his – name referred to Tony’s “BFF” today when going through Cowboy highlights.
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 13, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions
Oh and to be ON topic.
Special Teams were actually pretty special today. Tampa Bay has a pro bowl kick returner and he was just totally bottled up.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 9:17 PM CDT reply actions
There was one sack allowed? Romo was hit by a truck he didn’t see coming, of course it was his fault for not picking it up at the line of scrimmage and giving a bad fake.
yea
I thought the blame for that lied a large amount at Romo’s feet.
The pass protection was spotty, but for the most part good. It’ll need to be better next week, cause any mistake are gonna get Romo eaten.
I agree
however if I am the giants I would be very concerned how the skins ate the giants defense alive in the middle of the field. The skins receivers were wide open all day over the middle.
by oneforthethumb on Sep 13, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
And I think it was shown that Dallas’s pass catchers can get YAC.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I just wish romo would work on the alley oop in the endzone to bennett or williams.
No way can any defender stop that throw to either of them..
by oneforthethumb on Sep 13, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
...and I finally saw why Washington has no confidence in Campbell...
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 13, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Romo was off all the first half.
I’m glad he didn’t alley oop it. It would have gotten picked.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
aha
you are right. That will teach me to trust the stats. Ronde Barber bagged him on the first drive.
by Rafael Vela on Sep 13, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The Packers DTs
Jenkins and Jolley are awesome.
Jolly was a late round piuck out of A&M if i recall
always liked his name, Johnny Jolly
by AustonianAggie on Sep 13, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
A&M Kingsville
Congratulations Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com
by Raul Villaronga on Sep 14, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
no
Don’t compare ware to Peppers. Thats a mistake. Ware was MIA today, which was a rarity
Ware generally makes his impact felt throughout the game, whether its from pressure the qb even if he doesn’t sack him, or by his total dominance of his side of the LOS in the run game (how many times have we seen him, with a blocker on him, get out to the sideline and bring down the rb? or similar plays?)
Peppers is well known as an inconsistant player, a guy who takes plays off. Demarcus Ware sure as heck does not do that.
really?
perhaps you should watch more closely. If he goes cld it is when the opposition has double/triple teamed him, run away from him or gone to purely quick release throws. thats a player causing a team to adjust. eventually they get in a position they have to take a chance and Ware gets them. Today was a rarity, and he was unjured early on.
by Kansas Cowboy on Sep 13, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
what?
come on. You’re ridiculous. ware was not double teamed at all today. He does not walk on water. He is not the greatest football player ever. He will not redefine the game. He’s a good ball player. The LT handled him. It’s OK.
There is a distinction between good ball player and two-time All Pro.
Greg Ellis was a good solid ballplayer. Peppers is closer to being in the same overrated pass-rushing freak category that Jevon Kearse used to reside in than he is to being on Ware’s level.
Except for
that he was double teamed. Maybe not on every play but there was tightend or running back sitting over there for him on almost every pass play.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 14, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're right
but I also saw the LT ride him wide a lot. I credit very good LT play and Ware’s eary ding.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I don't think Ware should get a pass for yesterday either.
But Peppers has vanished for whole seasons. Again, no comparison.
Michael Roos used to be a no name OLineman too...
… Today he’s probably the League best LT. Your point?
Not saying that the Tampa Tackles will ever perform at that level, but you can’t say that they won’t.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
there are homers... and then there are ignorant comments...
If you read any of the pre-game reports, you would see that, despite their lack of celebrity status, the TB O-line is considered very good.
Being a homer would be wishing Ware could do great against this line… given your disappointment, perhaps that category includes you?
Here’s the bottom line:
1. Ware was often double teamed
2. Ware was injured early, hard to tell how much that affected his play
3. Even sack kings don’t get one every game
4. Breaking news: we won
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
aahhhh.... my little butterfly....
…. but the question is: what?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
between you and one.cool ... I'm startin' to develop a paranoid twitch
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
… we know what you did last summer …
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 14, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you referring to
opium or the siamese twins??
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
DalaiLuke is going to freak out big time
but I’m referring to the Roxy Bar. Enough of this now, don’t want to get hexed.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 14, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Roxy, for those of you who care, is my favorite pub
How One.Cool knows this is, well… creepy!!!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
um... this is too wierd ... I keep typing things that don't show up in the post!
note of disclaimer: while it makes for a good laugh… I’m not THAT guy in Thailand… with all the 20/30 hotties running around, I truly don’t get the “younger” infatuation
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I am the all seeing eye
and you play a mean game of pool, lmao. Ok, enough with the creep fest.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 14, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Eben I'm
creeped out and I’ve never watched DalaiLuke play pool with 12 year old siamese twins in Thailand,,,
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
what's the bartender's name?
the cute thai girl, not the turkish owner…
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Easy
My thirst thought was Mai Ling, but the right answer is probably Wan.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 15, 2009 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions
creepycreepycreepycreepycreepycreepy!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
I don’t mind the suspense, but at some point you gotsta come clean!
(creepy!)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
A clairvoyant relies on paranormal abilities
but sources can help.
If you google yourself +Phuket you’ll eventually land on the homepage of your favorite bar. All else follows.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 15, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Ummm is it supposed to be any less creepy
that you googled him???
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I expected as much ...
And actually think it’s funny people get all paranoid about what’s available online about themselves, their kids, etc… as if people in our own towns are not FAR MORE of a threat!
BTW, while you were likely guessing, I did happen to win $30+ against a group of decent pool players this week :)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
frustration
still, there’s a certain level of frustration with the 07-09 cowboys. we have some talent on both sides of the ball, in many cases, as raf has pointed out, acquired via late rounds or free agency, which is hard to do and needs to be done in this era of football. so we have a window, and we need to step the f—- through it. yet we have a defensive minded head coach that cant get us to field a top notch defense. it is FRUSTRATING!
totally agree ... except for the "coach that can't" part
not can he do it, but he’s proven he can …
in fact, his in game adjustments shut down TB for 4 straight drives… don’t get too upset about the first game. The Giants super year, their D started slowly.
Is it frustrating? Hell yea, they should be dominant. Are they capable? Hell yea, they showed it for long stretches last year. Are we there? HELL NO … but can we get there with Wade and these guys …
OH, YEA
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Bueller was the draft pick I was most excited about. I'm hoping he continues
to pay off because he was awesome today. De Camillis is earning his money.
the special teams
played better today than all of the last 2 years!!!!!
by oneforthethumb on Sep 13, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder how many guys on this board was pissed with that pick...I know I was...now I have even more respect
for the Dallas backoffice…
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 13, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but I think the future is bright with Stephen Jones...
I think the improvements in “General Management” stem from his increased influence…think about it…Bueller was a low round pick that added insurance for Nick Folk (remember hip surgery) and was the easiest/fastest way to improve our dreadful Special Teams…now we actually make opposing offenses work for scores instead of letting them start mid field. Felix Jones over Mendenhall was a good call too…you get the picture…
Well, let us know when it's okay then.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions
injuries are more to blame than bad picks
Our two 7th round picks ended up on the practice squad, and Smith was cut by us but made the squad in Cleveland.
Three are on IR/PUP.
But six of the 12 picks are on the team, and the three injured ones still have potential.
Phillips and Beuhler were both solid picks contributing as expected right away.
J. Williams was looking good in preseason as the mental part of he game started to click, and he should contribute later in the season.
Butler is raw in his technique but also has real upside.
McGee is a long-term project but showed enough to make the roster, as did M. Hamlin.
With Hodge and B. Williams in IR, and Brewster on PUP, all still have potential we’ll just have to wait a season to see what we really got with them.
So while it’s true that Beuhler is ironically the only one who is actually making some exciting contribution at the moment, I think it is way too early to write off the draft as a whole, and for the kind of approach of taking a bunch of late-round picks and hoping some of them are hits, I think we’re not doing too bad for what our expectations should have been, and we may yet find that some of them are real gems in the rough.
by scottmaui on Sep 14, 2009 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
...crickets chirping...
Excellent post… funny how easy it is to declare the draft a bust one day into the season… but the devil is in the details. And the details here say all 12 are still on NFL salaries, 9 / 12 are looking good to be wearing the star for some time…
… and upside potential is, like every year, impossible to determine so early.
… yet the pessimists, while ironically considering themselves the realists, cry bust?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Again, let me know when we're allowed to say they aren't contributing.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
actually, your reference was to wanting to "write off this draft"
… as in “it sucked”
saying they aren’t contributing is hardly a reach for guys on IR
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Actually,
My reference was to being told when it’s okay to have an opinion, particularly when, while there is not enough evidence to prove that opinion, there is certainly also no evidence to contradict that opinion.
Like, it’s okay to say it was a good draft, right? Like if based on my years of watching high school, college, and pro football and reading and watching what analysts and reporters have to say, I have formulated the opinion that it was a good draft. Very few would tell me it’s too early to say that. But if that same experience leads me to believe it was not a good draft, everyone wants to say that it’s too early to tell. It’s one person’s opinion vs. another and thus far, those saying the draft was poor are correct.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
where exactly does it say it's not okay to have an opinion?
are we arguing semantics?
you’re first post was followed by an excellent break-down of each draftee’s prospects… I added that all 12 are still on NFL salaries… where do we even start saying other opinions are not allowed? Instead, we respected the negative opinions enough to reply.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
btw, that breakdown was from none-other-than Mr. Maui himself
and he’s my blogging hero
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
How many draft picks start their rookie year? Maybe the first rounder if they aren't
a reciever. We have a 6th rounder starting so far. That is bargain basement.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
We do?
Oh, you’re counting the backup kicker as a starter. Again, how many starts out of non-kickers do you think we will get, combined careers, out of these draft picks?
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
BPS, we're not claiming ANYTHING... in fact, I basically say "who knows"
It seems to be YOU that is certain of what will come of this draft… how many do YOU see starting in 3/5 years? How many do you see wearing the star?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
In 5 years?
I highly doubt that in 5 years there will be more than 1 starter remaining from this draft.
If you are saying “Who Knows,” then why is my opinion not a good one?
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll put money down right now
that Hamlin and Williams will be starters in 5 years.
In Romo we Trust
The thing is, opinions are really just that at this stage - we have no idea
BPS, why are you complaining about people not agreeing with your opinion?
If they’re strong opinions, well then touche! … because you have an affinity for voicing opinions as virtual fact … and I’m probably also guilty of the same!
What’s wrong with disagreement? … if you look through all the threads, it seems to be a talent of yours, but I can’t return the favor?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I'm not.
I’m complaining about them disagreeing without backing it up, while being dismissive at the same time.
I don’t recall complaining that you voiced your opinion. I like when people voice their opinions. It irritates me when they just state, “you’re wrong.” And then don’t offer any evidence to the contrary. To me, that’s the crux of the “It’s too early to tell” argument on this draft.
Thus far the naysayers are correct, but instead of acknowledging that, it’s dismissed as “too early to tell.” That’s like saying that time’s going to tell on which movie will be bigger, ET or Krush Groove.
So again, when does the statute of limitations run out on grading a draft?
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 15, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I'll take the bait here...
Here are three examples for you to back up my assertion that you really don’t know what you have in a draft in the first year or more…
Ratliff, Romo (okay, UDFA, but still), Austin
Who knew these guys were going to play such large roles the September after they came aboard?
Maui did an excellent job of spelling out this draft’s POTENTIAL… which was a detailed reply to the “naysayers”
And, for the record, you’re welcome to your OPINION that the naysayers are correct, but it’s based on how they are producing TODAY, which by true NFL standards is hardly a good measuring stick. The truth is that IT REALLY IS “too early to tell!”
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
The offense did what I thought it would
I never bought the theory that the offense would struggle without the incredible human mouth. We did a really good job of spreading the ball around today. This is what this team is all about now.
The defense looked a little shaky because they’ve had a total of about 4 quarters of tackling so far. Well, make it 8 quarters now. They’ll get it together. The trouble they had today can be partially blamed on Tampa. They really do have a bunch of really good skill players on offense. Maybe we should give them some credit for playing with heart, and having some players. Leftwich was given time, and that’s when he can beat you.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
+1
The offense proved there are many weapons in the arsenal. Coach Garrett must feel like he has a full toolkit now.
On the other hand, Coach Phillips has some work to do. In practice. Starting Wednesday.
"Some of the big run plays that they had, they came not from us not being there, they came from missed tackles. That's all about just tackling a little bit better. You can do that in practice. You can improve in practice on that." ~DeMarcus Ware
Neither the Packers or the Bears look very good to me
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 13, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions
I think
Cullen Jenkins looks pretty damn good
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 13, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
pack 3-4 d at least is aggresive and puts pressure on the qb
I WANT WADE TO BE AGGRESIVE ON D AND NOT PLAY SOFT…The corners play 7 yards off..I want too see our cb in the wr’s face on the line..Too much zone for me against tampa..I hope the gameplan is different next week.
by scandrick32 on Sep 13, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Cullen was giving teams fits last season
Before he was injured. He looks like he’ll make people take notice outside GB this season.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 14, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
These teams are a mess
of the 3 games i’ve watched today,the Bucs, Redskins, Packers and Bears have all been very sloppy and mistake prone at times. Clearly even less ready than we were for week 1.
Is sensabaugh ok?
I think this safety is a keeper. But more importantly, is he ok? Did he break anything in the vicious he took… er… laid out on Clayton?
My only comment to him is to not get airborne and instead use his legs to drive through the receiver.
wow...
I guess thats not Cutlers fault, but that was a very very poor game for him
Bout as vicious
as that hit TNEW got a few years back. That was memorable to say the least
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 13, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions
Our kicking game is awesome. Both the offense and defense will benefit greatly from the
legs of Beuler, Folk and McBriar.
Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!
Something to think about...
Giants only scored 1 offensive touchdown…rest of the points came from defensive turnovers.
Eagles scored 10 offensive points…rest of the points came from defensive turnovers.
All of Dallas’ points scored exclusively by the offense (except 3 points from blocked field goal).
good point
would actually be nice to get more from our D!
but it’s good to put things in perspective, especially for the Eagles, as high-powered as their offense is supposed to be, we got way more offensive production today.
Yeah...
Does anyone really think the Cowboys won’t get a few sacks and big plays here and there? They’ll happen, and the offense showed that we’re not a team that has to have a big defensive contribution to be a dangerous team.
That’s sorta what I was pointing at when I made my prediction. I think this will be an amazing offense.
You can't knock other teams' offenses for having better field position.
That doesn’t even make sense.
Or are we going with the Eagles D only allowed one offensive TD, the Giants 2, and the Cowboys 3? Plus those defenses should be credited with scoring lots of points, too, while the Dallas D and ST contributed only 3.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree completely.....
at the end of the day, it’s total points that count anyway right? To put another spin on it, it just says that both Philly and NY have pretty good defenses which means our offense will have a tough challenge when we face them. It also means that Philly has a much better defense that anyone thought in the pres-season.
If you assume that Washington and Carolina have good offenses.
For the record, I’m not completely sure our offense is hat explosive or that our defense is terrible. We won’t know until a few more games down the road. Tampa Bay may be the surprise team of the season.
Not gonna get too high, not gonna get too low.
There are things that looked really good and there were things that need some attention. Which is about what I expected in week one. My blood pressure will begin to rise heading into this weekend as we head in to the Gints game so gotta be cool..relax. This team has a whole lot of potential and what more could you ask for?
... take a long ride on a motorbike...
Everyone expected this D to be carrying the Offense in the early part of the season. Who knew we’d be looking at the opposite? I’m concerned about the D, but I also like how they stiffened up in the 3rd quarter, when we needed it most.
We learned a few things: Sensa and Brookings are HUGE improvements… We’re not gonna be missing TO… Our special teams don’t suck anymore… and we also improved on our penalties and turn-overs.
Next week will tell us much more…
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Better stiffen up in the first this week.
Brandon Jacobs will steam roll them if not. Bucs defense is ok, but Giants can apply pressure without blitzing. I also, don’t think you will see gimmee touchdowns against the Giants secondary. Sheli and the offense may not be that high powered, but the don’t really need to be do they.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Buehler
Kickoffs: 7
Number in End Zone: 6
Touchbacks: 3
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 14, 2009 3:03 AM CDT reply actions
Early Prediction:
I think the Giants game will be a shootout like the first game in 2007. I like a shootout when our QB is a gunslinger…also, MartyB will figure, prominently.
Interesting...Chris Mortensen called the Tampa game 3 days ago on Galloway.
He noted the Tampa offense is actually pretty good…especially the O Line and running game.
synposis from player interviews
After listening to the player interviews on dc.com and watching the highlights a few times, I understand a lot more about why things went the way they did. Here’s my synopsis of it.
On defense, they really didn’t know what they were going to get at the start. They started out being very aggressive rushing the passer but TB took advantage of this and ran it at them, checking out into runs and then gashing them a few times which is the flip side of being aggressive. In the second half they made adjustments, went into their base defense to stop the run which they were able to do, and forced TB into a passing game. The D was also a little overamped at the start of the game being the first game, and wore themselves out in the heat by the end of the half, but then got their wind at halftime and paced themselves better in the second half.
For our offense, Tampa Bay started out playing 8 in the box and set on stopping the run. And the Boys expected this and knew going in that they’d be forced/able to make plays 12+ yards downfield, that TB would try to take away the short stuff but leave themselves vulnerable long. Then they did establish the run and used it to set up the pass. And were able to run pretty well even though TB was determined to stop it.
But they ran certain plays based on the coverages they were seeing, knew where they wanted to go, and got the long plays they were looking for. The thing is the execution, they actually made the right reads, were in sync, made the throws and made the catches, so the big plays actually looked easy.
The Crayton TD looks like busted coverage and it is, but it’s also Romo seeing the coverage or lack thereof in the flat, seeing the DBs stop their momentum, PC recognizing this too and taking his route downfield while Romo uses his eyes and a pump fake to hold them short while PC easily gets behind them. It’s funny to hear Romo describe this play actually, he says how it unfolds and then says “It’s all just bang bang bang stuff, you just kind of get a feel for it and you do it.” lol. makes it sound so easy.
But what I really love watching the highlights is how great Romo looks. He is so smooth, so subtle, such a quick release and nice touch. Today the only real flaw was his accuracy/timing early on, he was making good decisions and had receivers open but wasn’t quite hitting them. But then once he found his groove his throws seemed pretty much perfect, the decision and the execution, perfect play, perfect spot, perfect touch. And he really does have such a quick release. He’s just standing there waiting for the timing, doing little subtle movements in the pocket, then all of a sudden zip! there goes the ball, accurate and with perfect touch and seemingly so little effort. I guess Leftwich’s huge windup just makes it even more noticeable lol.
While I want to keep my expectations in check, I have a feeling that Romo is going to be reeeeaaaalllly good this year. Of course he’ll make some mistakes and have some rough games, but I think he’ll take his decisions, execution and leadership to another level and by the end of this season will not be questioned whether he is an elite QB. Anyone watching him play will be able to see it, and his stats will prove it.
And he has at least 9 weapons on offense that he feels confident and comfortable going to will the ball, just depending on what defenses are showing and what they’ll be able to take advantage of.
Finally, repeating what’s already been said, but I don’t think the importance of these aspects can be overstated:
- no turnovers – huge
- special teams excelled – thank you coach joe d
- few mistakes – penalties and mental errors limited
- no serious injuries – not in their control, but that all our starters should return for the next game is almost as important as the win itself
this team has the talented starting personnel and coaching staff to execute at a very high level on offense and defense, and the extent to which those 4 aspects continue like they started today will determine how far they’re able to take it.
Nice wrap up Maui
It IS hard to keep the optimism in check, but that is the nature of being a fan. We’re optimists at heart. Normally I’d say your post was a little long, but I took my boy out for the day after the early game so I appreciated your observations, and it was a great day on both accounts.
This is a different Tony Romo this year. He knows he sounded too non-chalant after the Philthy game last year, and wants to be percieved the way he really feels. It guts him inside to lose. I think he learned last year when he tried to emmulate Brady’s footwork, that he has to temper his desire to improve with not losing his own abilities. He’ll do much better this year at just trying to hold the ball tighter. I really don’t expect him to not sling it. That is what makes him great. But his improved recognition skills this year will make him even more deadly.
Yesterday I was saying we had 10 great skill players on offense. Apparently he isn’t quite ready to count Ogletree yet, but if the kid gets the chance he’ll force the issue I’m sure.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
How sweet is it knowing we've got an excellent WR prospect in the wings?
It’s BETTER than getting an extra #1 next year, because we are not rolling the dice on Ogletree, we already know he’s got the goods – I base this on how he torched Clements, and on the theory that, as a rookie, he’s still learning and will continue to improve.
Austin, Crayton and Roy must be proud as peacocks today, and they should be – they’ve earned it! After hearing for 6 months how mediocre they were next to TO, this has got to be sweet for them!!!
I say move WR into the “good starters / good depth” category, and forget about drafting another any time soon.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Excellent points. I think the number of players catching the ball
was one of the most important stats of the afternoon. I think this is Garrett design – create too many threats for a team to be able to take away from the offense.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Scott
great post. I think we saw a lot of what Romo has been talking about this off-season. He may still make mental errors this season, but I give him a lot of credit for putting into action what he and Garrett have recognized as requirements for him to improve.
But be careful. It’s taboo to give Romo credit for having a good game. Instead, focus on a couple of slightly off throws and interceptions that might have been. Rant about missing Miles rather than hitting Miles on a perfectly thrown come-back, or hitting Williams in stride so that he could break free for a TD, or making the perfect read to Crayton. A QB rating of 140 is a chimera.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
mmm.... chimera
I think Parcells did a great job of keeping Romo’s head level… it’s easy to lose focus and start believing the headlines. Romo seems to do better when humbled a bit.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
+1 great perspective on the game, Scott.
My point yesterday about Romo’s ability to forget about his (and the rest of the offense’s) earlier miscues and turn in a great performance is a sign of a great QB. I’m really glad he’s a Cowboy.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
+1
Great post Scott
I though Garrett called a good game, Romo looked very much in control throughout, and he and his WR’s were definitely clicking as well as I’ve ever seen them in that second half.
Nice wrap up of the post game comments.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 14, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is my super brief analysis on Romo
His play is dicy early then turns it up as the game wears on… like always.
True.
His first 10 or 15 are usually pretty rough, but the next 10 or 15 are usually really, really good.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice one, Scott
What struck me most is that after this game I now understand a lot better what Romo meant when he said ’we’ll take what the defense gives us’.
They tried the run early, didn’t work all that well. They then tried mixing up short passes and slants with the run for most of the 1st half, didn’t work all that well either. So they went with the 12+ yards as you pointed out, but maintained the run to keep the safeties honest.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 14, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Money quotes from Romo
“And today, we just took what they gave us. They weren’t going to let us run the ball, so we took advantage.”
“You can try to run the ball all you want to, but if teams are going to put eight guys in the box, you’re going to have to hurt them. You try to take advantage of what the defense is giving you. And if they’re giving you the chance to make big plays, then you do it.”
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 14, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
in other words
pick your poison, we have so many weapons, you can’t stop all of them.
In Romo we Trust
Isn't that a wonderful thing?
I think Garrett has exactly the kind of offense he’s wanted this year. I hope he and the O continue to show what a wonderful thing that can be.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
On defense ...
where is 2zz’s? He would usually be all over your 2nd paragraph. Look, I have a 6 year old who will give you 27 different excuses for the broken vase, even though he has a hockey stick in his hand, the (indoor) puck is on the floor next to the broken glass, and he’s the only one in the room. so pardon me if i’m not completely ready to forget what I saw on D based on player interviews …
What about
Getting blown off the ball and giving up 7.5 ypc to Cadillac UP THE MIDDLE? That is my #1 concern from the game.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 14, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Dunk, Knees... you've lost your "pet cat" status...
I’m now officially a fan of da man from maui !
Second time to day I gotsta say… EXCELLENT POST!
While it’s easy to read the stats line and draw conclusions, this post allows some insight into what behind the numbers. Okay, the defense gave up 150+ in the first quarter, not good. But look at the 3rd quarter and the 4 straight stops during the most critical time of the game.
You can’t blame Romo or the Defense for being a little too hyped … the prospect of finally getting back on the field after that Philly debacle was no doubt in their minds!
I agree on the Romo evaluation. He’s always been sharp, with a quick release. While his accuracy was not there early, his reads were almost always excellent, and that bodes well for our future. He reminds me a bit of Peyton Manning in his ability to take what the D gives him … and that is the HIGHEST of praise.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Best of luck Scottmaui
I have an insurance agent to recommed before your life starts falling apart and you become uninsurable…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Dunk, you're free as a bird.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Like a huge burden has been lifted
Poor scottmaui, though.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Are you kidding? He's awesome! You seen his posts today?
He’s da man
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Good plan
but also some insurance just in case, OK? There are former, promising NFL players flipping burgers and parking cars because of D-Luke.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Maui, quick...say something stupid!!!!
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
unfortunately, i have the same affect on prospective girlfriends :(
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
You're in the Orient, right?
Me thinks there’s no shortage of women. Let’s start with a billion and work our way outward.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
We won
The most important thing is the W, but I would love to see one of this site’s in-depth articles on why it is our D looked lost at times and yielded 450+ yards to an offense that is not expected to match the 2007 Patriots and that hired a new coordinator 10 days ago …
oh and curious about something
there was at least one play in the game where colombo lined up on the left side – what is that? dont think i’ve seen that before. it made me wonder whether flo was out or something, but it seemed like everything went right back to normal afterwards …
Concerns about the game
Everybody is singing our praises. Very well deserved, to an extent. TB is a 6-10 team, at best. So we won a game we should have won – which we have struggled with in other seasons. Our WR’s made some huge plays and Romo looked on-target for the most part.
Offensive concerns:
1. We weren’t able to run the ball until the 4th quarter. We got stoned on most 1st downs.
2. RHG was way too quick to abandon the run. He never wants to run on 2nd and long. 3 touches for Felix is inexcusable.
3. Same mistakes from Romo. Fortunately, it happened on 1 drive, and the Bucs didn’t come away with a pick. But on one drive in the 3rd Quarter, Romo threw 3 straight passes that he never should have thrown and would have been intercepted by anybody else.
4. TB dominated the line of scrimmage. They produced a solid pass rush. They stoned the O-line completely on runs until the 4th quarter with MB3.
Defensive concerns:
1. Our front 7 was DOMINATED by the bucs O-line. They were pushed around the whole game and only generated a pass rush on 1 TB drive (where we should have gotten about 3 roughing penalties for taking shots at the knees). TB is a horrible team. There is no excuse for getting pushed around like that and if the bucs could do it, I really worry about what the offensive lines in the NFC east will do. TNew was our leading tackler with 9 tackles. What does that say?
2. No pass rush whatsoever for most of the game. We will never face a QB with a slower release than Leftwich.
3. Partly a function of a poor pass rush. Nevertheless, there were TB receivers open all day. If not for Leftwich’s horrible accuracy, they could have easily put up 40+ points.
4. Mike Jenkins – get him the hell out of there. He can’t play zone. He nearly gave up a TD at the end of the half on a play that looked exactly like his play against TN. I’m still waiting to see his first hit. (Notwithstanding Wade’s description of how he “gored” Gore.
Special Teams
1. Don’t use TNew in a game like this with a big lead. Plus, what was he thinking? On a positive, Crayton’s kick was the smartest penalty I’ve seen us take.
2. Nitpicky minor complaint, but… Our returns weren’t that great.
sorry. Meant to say 6 touches for Felix. Typo. Still inexcusable.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 14, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
A couple of thoughts
Tampa isn’t a 6-10 team, their OLine and running game has a bunch of talent. Leftwich has an arm and accuracy, he just throws too many lasers which make it hard for his targets to hold on. They looked good on Offense, with only one week of coaching with their new O.C.
And Jenkins had 2 tackles, including a good stop on a no gain for Ward. You shouldn’t be as negative, that’s clouding your judgement. Is he supposed to be a shutdown CB? No, Asomougha is as close to a shutdown CB as they come. Players very well respected like Asante Samuel get burned quite a bit, it’s just that they win a fair bunch of their asignments, too. It’s a shame that he missed a couple of picks.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Jenkins was a couple of plays away from making a highlight reel
I for one agree, Tampa looks like a pretty good team, lots of big players moving real fast.
Now clearly, they either have serious issues with the talent in their secondary (which will be exploited in the NFC South) or they just need to get on the same page before they actually go anywhere
by AustonianAggie on Sep 14, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not asking for a shutdown corner
But, if you are starting ahead of Scandrick, I at least expect an occasional open-field hit and/or don’t pat opposing receivers on the back as they run by you.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 14, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Scandrick also allowed a couple of catches, you know?
His 2 tackles came after the catches, he didn’t stop a RB.
You’re being too negative on one guy and too positive on the other.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Chandus, I hink they may be a 6-10 team but not
because they are bad but rather the NFC south is tough, they play the NFC east and the AFC east. Thats a pretty mean schedule. I think they will play hard and smart but might be a little out classed. They will have a few upsets and shouldnt be discounted.
KICK ASS every day!!!
jenkins
i think i am starting to get the picture with him. he showed good (well – better than your typical Dallas secondaryman – yes, i am looking at you manos de piedra newman) ball skills on the would be pick, had another almost pick later in the game. so my guess is that when he is around the receiver, he’ll make some good plays on the ball. BUT, and here is the little problem, he is hardly ever around the receiver, to my eyes. i feel like I constantly see him 5-10 yards away from the guy who just caught it, and he sure was quick to blame someone (dont know who) for that play in the corner of the endzone that would have been a TD with a good throw from leftwich.
Man
Dallas’ D gave me a big fat g00se egg in fantasy land. And that’s the last time I take a leap of faith and start Marty B. over Shockey. I really expected a good game out of him.
And I’m sure it’s been said, but what’s with Felix getting all of 6 carries? At least dump the ball off to him a few times….
This week was an abberation
Trust in Marty B to outperform Shockey over the season.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 14, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I also have Marty B and Shockey. I started Shockey, Brees goes off @ Detroit, and Shocky? Like 6 points. Bennett gets the start.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I hear ya
but it’s hard to know how a teams is going to play them. Tampa ended up taking risk by singling WRs and that made them the better targets. If Miles, Roy and Patrick keep playing like that, Bennett wil have his days in the sun for sure.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
yup
but I cant afford to gamble on when. Shockey put up 2 TD’s on my bench. That hurts.. Now I’m tied with the other guy in points and all I have left is R. Moss and he’s got Tomlinson, Welker, and T.O. left. I think it’s safe to say I’m screwed. Doh!
I just went back and looked... you're right, Shockey did better than I thought... he must have gotten a late TD?
Anyway, my motto is “don’t let facts get in the way of a good story…”
I’m starting Marty B over Shockey!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I'm tied in one league, I've got Fred Jackson, who should get the bulk of Buffalo's carries... he's got TO
Where’s the smart money on who wins that one?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
you got this
I really don’t see T.O. having a big game. Maybe 3 catches for 30-40 yards or so and maybe a TD. Jackson should get at least 15 carries and 60-80 yards and a TD if not more. I think you got this one in the bag.
Holy crap.
How the F did that guy get a murderer’s row like that?
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 14, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
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