Zombieland! The Giants Eat the Cowboys' Brains, 33-31
by Rafael Vela on Sep 20, 2009 11:44 PM CDT
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PrintThere was a role reversal Sunday night in the new Cowboys Stadium. A Giants team expected to ride its rushing game instead relied on Eli Manning and his kiddie receiving corps, especially the emerging Mario Manningham.
The Cowboys were the bludgeon ball team, rushing for a massive 251 yards on the ground.
In the end, it was four turnovers which tipped the game, handing New York several short fields and a touchdown off a pass interception as New York took a 33-31 decision on a Lawrence Tynes' field goal at the final gun.
The Cowboys saw some flukey bounces go away from them. An errant Tony Romo pass just before the half bounced off Jason WItten's heel and caromed into Kenny Phillips' hands, giving the Giants a 28 yard field they traversed for a second quarter touchdown.
They can blame nobody but themselves for two other huge mistakes which robbed them of momentum and surrendered game-tipping points. Felix Jones looked slow and uncertain on several of his kickoff returns and his fumble of a kickoff staggered Dallas. The play came one play after an overthrown Romo pass had been returned for a touchdown, giving New York a 10-7 lead. The defense held but Romo and his mates had to wait before taking the field.
An even bigger miscue came late in the 3rd. Dallas had just ripped up the field and taken a 24-20 lead on several brusing runs by Felix Jones and Marion Barber. The New York line was tiring and the Dallas defense had forced a punt. After gaining a quick first down, Dallas was in first and ten just across midfield.
Jason Garrett called a play action bomb to Sam Hurd, hoping to catch the New York safeties cheating up to support the front seven. The gambit failed, as New York kept Phillips in deep middle and he was sitting over the top on Hurd's route.
The play would have been forgettable had Romo thrown the pass away. For some inexplicable reason, he attempted to squeeze the pass into coverage. It was badly overthrown and was picked off by Phillips at the five. This is the type of pass Romo was supposed to eliminate this season, but the play only showed that he still needs to deliver on the promise.
New York mounted its lone, long touchdown drive of the evening on the subsequent drive. Eli Manning and Kevin Gilbride added insult to Romo's mistake by perfectly executing an almost identical play to open their drive. Gilbride called for max protection and Manning floated a perfect pass to Manningham, who got behind Orlando Scandrick on a post.
By lacking patience, Romo threw momentum away and passed up a golden chance to push his team two scores ahead. Instead, New York scored the next ten points, and while Dallas rammed home one more touchdown on their runner's legs, their lead was only 31-30 on a night when it was clear that least team with possession would take the game.
That team was New York, and they didn't miss.
Notes:
-- Hey, Jerry, I though the objective was to win the game. I have to take issue with the decision to open the roof. Yes, it allowed for more blimp shots of the stadium, and helped shoe horn more people into the stands,so Jerry could get his record. It also meant the players had to toil in extreme humidity on an 87 degree night instead of the climate-controlled 71 degrees when the roof was closed.
I can't say this cost Dallas the game, because both teams had to play in the elements, but did this give the paying fans the best experience? Did you spend $1.2 billion to build simply build a bigger version of the Texas Stadium sweatbox? Did it give the players the best conditions in which to play?
-- Hey, Demarcus Ware, isn't this your salary drive season? Number 94 has a lot of ground to recover if he's going to make a run at the sack record.
-- Hey, Orlando Scandrick. If you don't make another tackle soon, the one you made tonight in front of the first down marker is going to die of loneliness.
Scandrick's first game as a starter was a howler. Mario Manningham schooled him on three early smoke routes where Scandrick came racing forward out of control and whiffed on tackles. Later, Manningham burned him on the key bomb after Romo's pick. New York closed the drive when Steve Smith left Scandrick eating rubber pellets in the middle of the field.
-- It as a horrible game for all the Dallas corners. The linebackers improved their run defense considerably, but the starting corners were sieves. All that strong play in camp looks like a mirage. Time to get to work, Dave Campo.
-- Give the kid credit; Manningham was a big reason the corners looked bad. The second year receiver from Michigan can make nasty cuts at speed and none of the Dallas corners could match him when he hit the accelerator. Manning already trusts him.
-- Bottom line: Dallas showed its offense has two dimensions. The Giants beat up secondary played a lot of two deep with its safeties, so Dallas hammered them on the ground. The team also proved that it can't defy the rules of football. It lost the turnover battle 4-0. It's a testament to its power that it had a 31-30 lead late, but when you play like zombies ate your brains, you're going to lose, no matter how much firepower you possess.
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Way to sum it all up
Whether you think you can or you think you can't either way your right
by UnNessecsary Roughness on Sep 20, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions
Sad night.
Dallas lost, got a warning on here, and gotta go to work tommorrow.
Better luck next week I guess.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 20, 2009 11:55 PM CDT reply actions
At least you don't live up here in Missouri
They have an unnatural, unexplainable hatred for the Cowboys. They’re just WAITING for me to show up for work. Crap…
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
that happens everywhere
EVERYONE hates us. 80% os the US football fan population is loving the ending to this game in the new stadium
It isn't like the powerhouse
Rams or Chiefs did anything.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
That's true
but whenever I bring that up all they say is “well, we didn’t expect them to win”. Hard to put someone down when they already expected to lose.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
What's so ironic.......
against the closing of Texas Stadium all the ex-Cowboys were there just like tonight. This game had som many similarities it was disgusting. Long plays that should never have happened, Romo throwing stupid passes just like he did against Reed etc. What a way to close and open a new stadium.
A Lot of mistakes
But a ridiculous amount of luck on the Giants side. And do any of us know the condition of Barber’s injury? Because he is becoming the heart of this offense, and if he is out for an extended amount of time, we’re screwed.
by Alexcomestokill on Sep 20, 2009 11:56 PM CDT reply actions
I haven't heard anything
But I don’t agree Dallas is screwed without him. He’s very good but so are the 2 other RB’s. He will be missed but adjustments will be made.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I've got no problem with throwing the bomb
but why the hell do you use Hurd and Crayton as your recievers on that play? That is absolutely idiotic. If you’re going to throw that route, you need to have Austin – a guy with speed – running it, rather than a possession reciever – Hurd- running it. All in all, as long as Garret keeps running the football, we should be fine (provided that MB3 is ok).
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
That would have been intercepted no matter who ran that route
Phillips was waiting on it like a punt returner.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 20, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
terrible pass, he obviously never saw him. Or hes a moron. I’d like to think the former.
He said he didn't see him
Which is amazing. He has to look and FIND him, not just assume he’s not there. What a freaking HS mistake. If Dallas had continued that drive and scored the game would have been over.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
there's nothing wrong with the call
it’s first down, you’re running well, you figure the safeties will bite on play action because the run is working so well, and Hurd is the decoy, you figure they’re not expecting him to run the deep route.
But if it’s covered, throw it away. It’s 1st and 10.
by Rafael Vela on Sep 21, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
There was nothing wrong with the call but......
he should never have tried to force it in there. Looks like Romo’s bad habits are coming back again.
THATS ROMO
He thinks hes Bret Farve,personally I never thought Farve was that great. I like Romo but he will lose you games you should win too often. He is fun to watch but those brain farts kill you.
Romo didn't see the deep safety
An inerrant throw from a QB that didn’t read the coverage. Most QBs take mental notes about their progressions based on the pre-snap read. I honestly don’t know how he could have missed him.
Romo gave this game away.
yea
I won’ go as far as to say he game was lost right there, but a great opportunity slipped way becase our qb didn’t read the field correctly.
Collinsworth
showed where Phillips lines up. Dude was out of the picture he was so far back. I think Romo never saw him. Which is still his fault because you have to account for all their DBs to make your read. But it was like Gilbride knew exactly what was called.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
But it was like Gilbride knew exactly what was called
Gilbride is the OC. Sheridan runs the defense.
Romo never saw the safety.
The safety was playing so deep Romo never even saw him. They knew that play was coming.
He was freakishly deep
like he was standing on the goal line waiting to field a punt
Still, Romo has to account for him
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 21, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Bob Hayes couldn't have caught that pass
It was aimed right at the safety. Romo had 2 open targets on that play, but threw to the one receiver who was hopelessly double teamed.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 21, 2009 8:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
To Tell you the truth…
Well fought game against an excellent adversary. I am Ok with the loss as long as things turn around in Dec.
McGruber!
Why are you so negative?
Seriously.. if you’re a Cowboys fan then at least give him a chance! Last year we were neck deep in injuries and Romo was giving every bit of himself as he could and you still throw it on his shoulders! I’m tired of fans like you. Go hop on th Giants wagon and see how much fun it is with Eli as the bus driver.
The've had how many years of chances?
I’m purely frustrated… They embarrass themselves in Texas Stadium finale with a playoff seed on the line, blow this opener in front of the nation with first place on the line. It takes a team to win, and it takes a team to lose, so yes I’m being hard on TR but his play was hard to watch…
Emmitt predicted 8-8… I hope he’s wrong, but Emmitt knows winning…. this team hasn’t proven that they do….
Hahaha...
To use Emmitt as a barometer for anything other than running the football seems questionable at best.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
1-1-0
multiply wins and losses by 8 and you have 8-8-0. So far so good for his prediction if you ask me. After watching that game (if you can call it that) and seeing the teams we face as the season wears on, I’m completely on board with 8-8.
I'm getting used to it
I must be. There was a time when I’d get made after a loss…. any loss. Also a time when I wouldn’t read anything about football for a week.
Either I’ve grown up (highly doubtful) or I’ll start caring when they look like they are.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Me too.
I think it’s the way that they lost, to be honest with you. It’s clear that they were the more talented team, but for whatever reason, they always play like they have their heads up their butts. Even when they’re winning they do boneheaded stuff and start slow.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that
they look disorganized and confused.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I can comment on that post in so many ways...
I just wish there was a function on this board that will allow me to filter specific posters…I wouldn’t mind a Giant’s fan coming in here to gloat because they earned that right…I think that’s sport’s fan axiom from something…but unconstructive comments from fans like yourself…makes me shake my head.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 21, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then we'll see you back here in December
What’s the point of blogging in September, right?
Take off your Dallas Cowboy sunglasses.
I remember how I was ridiculed for bringing to this boards attention that we are going into the season with 4 undrafted free agent WR’s.
I called it an embarrassment for a professional team.
Who want’s to tell me the Giants WR’s are not better than ours.
Manningham is better than any of our Back Yard University Receivers.
Where are our young highly drafted WR’s.
Where is our future star.
What has Jerry done with all of our draft picks.
That 2008 draft was our chance and Jerry blew it.
You don’t draft a part time RB in the first round. Mike Jenkins can’t beat out a 5th round pick.
No one but Jerry saw FJones as a first round pick. He would have been there.
Tenn got there guy. They didn’t want Jones.
Jerry Stated that one of the reasons he drafted Jones was because he would not have a problem sharing the ball. . We are talking about a first round pick and you have no expectations of him being a starter. WTHell.
Jerry failed GM 101 with that pick. Then he let the Dolphins rob us all day during that draft.
You may remember this comment from me.
WHO TRADES TWO STARTERS FOR A 4TH ROUND PICK.
Everyone knew we needed a WR coming out of that draft.
If you didn’t know I knew we needed a safety.
While all of you were praising that draft I hated it.
If I was running the team we would have Shaun Phillips and Deshaun Jackson in the first round and Manningham in the 3rd.
If that was the case we would have never needed to trade for Roy Williams.
BEFORE YOU SAY IT.
NO! IT’S NOT MY TEAM
BUT IF I KNOW MORE THAN THE OWNER THEN THERE IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE PEOPLE RUNNING THIS TEAM.
If your expecting to win a Superbowl with 4 undrafted WR’s and an undrafted QB that could care less about ball security you need to take off your Dallas Cowboy Sunglasses. I have.
by Sharksbreath on Sep 21, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Good for you dude...
I am glad you feel so good about your condescending views and your generally negative outlook. I only hope you don’t approach your real life in the same manner because I can’t imagine that would be too much fun.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
You may want to read
some of my other comments before accusing me of having, and I believe this is what you were trying to say, rose-colored glasses.
By the way, you have tremendous hindsight. I mean it’s like 20/20. Uncanny.
You came out of that game complaining about the wide receivers? Did you watch the game?
by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I wear my Dallas Cowboys Sunglasses at night
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
1-1 ... week two... lot's to be frustrated with tonight, but nothing to panic about
The Good: Cowboys O-Line proved it can run-block against a GREAT defensive front.
The Bad: What happened to this secondary? Scandrick? TNew?
The Ugly: Romo didn’t wait for Christmas to gift-wrap his usual December pix…
We’ll get it back when we head their way in December … I don’t walk away thinking any less of this team… the Cowboys are still capable of winning it all this year.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
+1
but we really need to win these games we “should” win – against carolina, KC and denver
+1
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, this game did not unfold like I thought it would.
I thought the keys would be our OLine, who did their jobs (not perfect but played well against a very strong opponent), our run D tightening up (again not perfect, but decent) and some slow-ball drives to give our D a rest. All of which we did accomplished, but we still lost.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Uh, Colt McCoy made a few howlers himself yesterday
by Rafael Vela on Sep 21, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Clint Sterner under center
Cowboys might have fared better.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 21, 2009 8:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's just absurd
Romo had a bad game, it happens. He also contributed to getting us the lead at the end of the game, and the defense didn’t do their part at all as they crumbled on that last drive. I mean seriously, how could you not know they were throwing to Steve Smith on that third down conversion? But hey, keep blaming it on Romo, I guess it takes pressure off the rest of the team if we have a scape goat for every loss.
That's it exactly
people like it simple – blame it on one guy so you don’t have to think about the rest of the team. There was a lot wrong last night.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
The good part is that the team is not taking the attitude of blaming in all on romo, every player said that as a team they lost.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Thats good to hear
If the defense was playing crappy all game, and Romo threw a pick on a late 4th quarter drive, it would have been all his fault. But instead, the D plays crappy all game, and blows the last drive but its still all Romo’s fault. Don’t get me wrong, Romo definitely deserves some of the blame, but its exactly what you said, we lost as a team.
Chill.
Just quantifying Romo’s bad night, and trying to lighten the mood.
"I love winning." - rockin_rangers, on May 16, 2009
Yup...
Wretched day by Romo. Talk to me at the end of the year about his stats. I’m guessing upper 90s/low 100s on rating.
With 28+ per game on offense.
Terrible.
Yeah...
I’ve been thinking about this.
Thus far our offense has had essentially no help from the defense/special teams in terms of field position. That’s not to say that special teams has done poorly, but I’m meaning that we’ve not had any real breaks yet with 0 turnovers and 0 sacks.
Those will come.
But nevertheless the offense is traveling the length of the field to score 32.5ppg. That’s not too shabby.
The truth...we weren't blown out even after turning the ball over 4 times...the Giants won on the last play...
and the season is starting and we still have a chance to improve.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 21, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately....
Romo has a bad day with all the Cowboy greats in attendance. Way to show them, Tony!!!!!!
This was a big game, and his big game record is horrific!
Not all his fault, though. Felix’ fumble was very bad, and all the lucky bounces went NY’s way. Hard to beat that combo of turnovers and lucky breaks!
Great write-up as usual, Raf!
Once I saw the ball go off Witten's foot like that I knew this night didn't feel right...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
THAT BALL???
There was nothing at all wrong with that decision, at all…witten was wide freakin open, romo just missed him. Badly.
Romo's accuracy seemed way off
Just like it did in the first quarter or so of the Tampa game.
It seems like it often takes Romo a quarter or two to settle down in games— before that, his accuracy seems to struggle a bit. Last night, he never settled down at all, and his decision-making, not just his accuracy, seemed to be suffering. It’s worrisome.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Once I saw Romo on 3rd and two during the opening drive,
I knew it didn’t feel right. He could have easily run up a wide open middle for the 1st down. But I think he was looking for the big play instead.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I'm sick of these bad games for one
how many have we had to endure? It’s so maddeningly inconsistent I’m questioning if Romo is at peace with his inconsistency
by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
is I think I can, I think I can, I think I can
Then goes backward down the track.
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions
Romo may NEVER be consistent
Some QB’s figure it out and become smart, consistent players. Some stay streaky. I think Romo is the later. He just can’t get it together and keeps forcing the ball into coverage. Turnovers lost the game tonight and once again, he was a big contributing factor. Yuck.
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:09 AM CDT reply actions
Uh...
No QB is consistent. Did you see Tom Brady’s game yesterday?
And unlike Romo and the Cowboys, Brady never put his team in position to win in the 4th yesterday.
Romo vs Brady
Really? The guy had to sit out a season and won the game last week, and went 18-1 in ‘07, and you are comparing him to Romo? A few isolated bad games don’t make a QB inconsistent; the fact that we can depend on Romo for a 4-5 turnover game every few weeks does.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
i doubt he ever will be
but most aren’t. What i want romo to avoid are these f’n disaster games. When things are going poorly, take a couple extra seconds to look over the defense, know where guys are, so you don’t throw a game changing INT on a deep ball that doesn’t need to be thrown…thats all i ask!
We live with Romo, we die with Romo
The Cowboys ran for 250 yd at 8.7yd/rush, and went 4 for 4 in red zone TD’s, while the Midgets went 0/5 in the red zone.
Those stats are usually almost always the stats for the team that won.
So it begins...
Garrett needed to ride the hot hand...we were gashing them with the run...we should have continued.
Maybe he learns from this too…and if so, we could be the better for it in December.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 21, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Look y'all....
I’m p*ssed. So many mistakes were made today – yet, I think we will overcome this. Not only did we face a very good NFC oppopnent,but, we faced one of the better teams in the NFL… granted, they GAVE this game away… too many dumb a** penalities… Flozell… c’mon, really dude… if we can go balls to the wall for the rest of the season – no injuries, of course, I feel like we have a good chance…but yes, this is only week 2.
Superbowl, or BUST.
The Barbie penalty was killer too
We hold them to a 3 and Out inside their own 10, and the holding call gives them another chance, which they didn’t miss.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
The penalties we did have were almost all killer.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Those two back to back penalties really hurt...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Aikman had very few BAD days, either did Staughback
come to think of it, Danny White was A LOT more consistent than Romo
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions
Umm....
I love Aikman and Staubach but let’s not get carried away.
A) You’re right, they didn’t have many, but they did have a few.
Aikman had 37 games out of 165 with a passer rating under 60 (22.4%)
Staubach had 37 games out of 131 with a passer rating uner 60 (28.2%)
B) Romo has had 9 games out 42 where he had a passer rating under 60 (21.4%)
Two things with that. One smaller sample size in Romo’s case. Two, difference in era means that Staubach was less likely to have a higher rating.
Nevertheless… it looks like all three had howlers about 1 in every 5.
Now, Aikman did have very few during 92-95, and yes he was very consistent there. But he still had 7 under 60 during that stretch with another 7 with ratings from 60-75. Romo’s had only 3 of the 60-75 games in his career.
Go look here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00/gamelog/ and see all the 100+ rating games. 24 out of 42.
I’ll take that.
Just for comparison:
Brees 39 out of 108 over 100
Manning 60 out of 177
Brady 45 out of 114
Huh
stats only mean so much.
We’re not trying to win in fantasy football.
What Aikman and Staubach had – although not perfect – is an ice cold resolve and clarity about the game.
These guys made the clutch throws when they count.
Numbers don’t necessarily reflect that.
We’re not talking about law of averages here. Romo is making really stupid decisions on the field.
Aikman had an average statistical profile. But he helped win games. He got it done.
That’s all that matters.
Ask Dan Marino.
Well...
I should also point out that Roger was pegged as a loser for a couple of years too.
And a winning QB is one that, despite whatever else puts his team in position to win. Romo did, in the 4th quarter. If the defense stops them on 2nd and 18 we’re all talking about how clutch Romo is :)
With all the defensive troubles or special teams issues.....
WE WIN without Romo’s mistakes – even he said so in his presser – he is the problem
So...
It’s all Tony’s fault because he couldn’t carry the defense and Felix’s fumble?
I don’t agree with that.
Should we ignore the three INTs? Nope. But if the defense holds we’re talking about how resilient he is and how clutch he is to get us up despite the previous bad bounces and mistakes.
Even with the same defensive mistakes...
We win without his stupid passes and INTs – it is not that complicated
actually, I would still be nervous. Accepting the logic that the team can overcome Romo’s mistakes and accepting that paradigm is an indication of what our team really is.
Good teams don’t have to cover for their QB. Good teams fire on all cylinders. They won’t be perfect, but they won’t give away points either.
Right now, the team doesn’t have the resolve to be a “good” football team. Hope that changes.
Dan Marino was a better QB than Aikman, my man
Sorry. I love Troy, but he never could have won on those Miami teams.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I agree
My example wasn’t to compare Aikman : Marino.
My point was that stats don’t win games.
A 100 QB rating will not describe a players mental deficiencies.
Yep, I hear you
But last night, the stats actually do seem to tell the story, right? 4 TOs, rating under 30.
Aikman’s stats certainly didn’t always tell the story of his contributions, I agree on that. At least the conventional stats (QB rating, yards, TDs) didn’t.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
O yeah, definitely last night.
But if we stopped them on an early third down on the last drive we would have won with 4TOs and a rating under 30. But I think we’re on the same page.
We don't live by Romo
We die by Romo
until he proves he can be consistent and can win the big one
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions
without Romo
we’re not a winning team the last 3 years. Thats the bottom line.
Hey, let's get a time machine and get Aikman vintage 1992.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 21, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Ahahahahahahaha
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
its 1 game but damn this hurts...
dallas gave this one away…I should say romo along with a sprinkle of wade phillips did
Just to be clear, your namesake played pretty terrible himself
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah well, now we have to win in NY
It has to be a split. The Giants are a good team and will win the East if the Boys don’t beat them in their house. Tall order…
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:14 AM CDT reply actions
Yep
This was a missed opportunity for sure.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
That Lightens My Load
I’m with ya there brotha
by Dansonofdirm on Sep 21, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
one positive thing
We fixed the run defense!
HA HA HA HA HA HA
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions
whys that funny?
this isn’t the postseason, where its win or go home. We need to keep improving. We were sooo much better at run D this week, all around. We rarely if ever lost containment..
Yeah, and since they shut down the run
and wanted to maintain our 30th ranked Defense…. our secondary really stepped up. LOL.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
Hope you enjoy blackouts
I don’t know if I do or not, I can never remember them.
So it begins...
"Felix Jones looked slow and uncertain on several of his kickoff returns"
So I wasn’t the only one who thought that.
I was hoping Austin would take over later in the game.
And if Barber’s out he’d better, Felix needs to be running the ball 15 times a game, time to take him off KO’s.
Mr Fix it's defense
in 2 games – 877 yards allowed
47 points allowed
no sacks
no turnovers
Guru he’s not.
Absolutely...
He has a handful, but has talent to work with… It’s going to come around… It has too…
>>nervous<<
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I think the question has to be asked
Is this defense full of talent as one is led to believe, because I don’t think this defense is as talented as most think it is…
My problem only lies with his decision not too rush five or more very often...
I hope he knows something I don’t because otherwise that seemed to be the deciding factor to me. He definitely needs to keep working at it because this can not be the finished product that we were hearing about out of camp.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
When you have no-name receivers torching your top rated corner...
It is reason for concern.
It is lack of discipline within the game.
Plain and simple.
We shouldn’t be having that type of problem.
I couldn't agree more.
This defense is vastly overrated outside of Rat and Ware. They are in for a long year.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Even Ware has to be suspect with no pressure or sacks.
He had some good run stops, but even Spencer did better than that.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
When youre defensive mvp is getting stonewalled 1 on 1 a lot
theres only so much you can do.
Well I will say that when you rush only four and they protect with 6
even Demarcus Ware can’t make that equation equal.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
what's even worse...
is the realization that there was only 2-3 receivers running routes. And they still carved up our coverage.
There were times were safety help was nowhere in sight. It was frightening. I thought we were playing 8 man football.
Unless your 4 do not come from conventional spots
Dick LeBeau and Rex Ryan get pressure rushing 4 vs. 5 or 6 blockers because they overloads certain spots, so that some blockers are left blocking no one and other blockers are facing 2 rushers.
You don’t have to rush more than 4 every time, you just have to make sure the offense doesn’t know where your 4 or 5 are coming from. That’s how Bradie got through on some of those blitzes last night.
That’s what Wade did last year with his 46 formation, and I imagine he’ll figure out how to do it again.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I agree
They’ll have to do something. Eli was really not having his best throwing night, but he had all kinds of time.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
We've made Leftwich and Manning look like MVP's
Hard to see this getting any better. I was on board with bringing Wade back this year… but I have to admit, I was dead wrong.
Can’t wait to see DelHomme tear us up next week.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
This is what worries me
because they weren’t even close to sacking Manning most of the night. He wasn’t getting rid of it quickly at all. Even when they sent the house.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
That is true...
but unfortunately our 4 were rushing from a standard 4-man line look most of the time.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Mr Fix It gets a mulligan this week...our offense put the defense in so many bad positions.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 21, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh
not really. The defense also put the offense in bad field position too.
There’s no avoiding the fact that Eli had all day to throw. Romo will bounce back and the DBs will probably get their act together, but if they don’t sart getting pressure, this season will end as bad or worse than the previous.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Not me
they’ve given up over 400 yards each to inferior offenses. Out D is a joke and will be exposed all year as long as Wade is in charge of it.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotta hand it to you Raf-you made me laugh w/the headline!
Maybe it’s all these stupid movies coming out these days……
You have no idea
That Stadium is AWESOME…..It is 1st class all the way…I’ve never seen anything like it…and was happy to be a part of the 105,000 people to witness this game.
Hey…it was back and forth…and sure,we win,without those INT’s….Win going away,actually.
Not the end of the world guys…..and a last second loss does not make the stadium…..CRAP….LOL……GROW UP A BIT….FOR REAL!!!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
The stadium is awesome...you gotta see it for yourself before you label it anything fo sho.
we’re 1-1. Not a bad start. Not ideal – but we could be 0-2.
1.2 billion worth...???
Romo stunk it up for sure….but really the witten off the ankle thing was flukey…..the other 2 were all RoMo…..But he’d only tally 69 million dollars worth of crap….and then you’d have to pro-rate that over the length of his contract…….so it’s nowhere near a billion!!!!!!!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
WE WILL WIN
I can’t beleive how much we are making this game out to be something so freaking special, just because it was in Jerry’s Roman Coliseum redux. Seriously, it was one game, in September, week 2. And sorry, I didn’t go to bed like I said I was :)
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 12:23 AM CDT reply actions
it's the inherent flaws that no amount of watching film or coaching can fix. That makes me stay up at night.
It is all up to the individual players.
Here's more cold water in your face...
…without Romo, we don’t have a chance. Roll that one around your head for awhile.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 21, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
not this game
just like not like the steelers game last year. A game managing qb would win us this game.
Overall though, without romo we’d have no chance at the playoffs…
I suppose I agree with that but the problem is that
a cover cornerback could have won us this game. Or a better DC down the stretch could have won this game. Or really, a better deflection off of somebody’s foot could have won us this game. To simply make a blanket statement like that is easy, but the game of football is way too complex to ever break it down like that.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
And going into the season we supposedly had
three cover cornerbacks, a DC who has established his excellent credentials over decades etc.
My point here is not to criticize those guys, but to say that one game cannot possibly be an indictment of all things Cowboys this year. And no one player or coach gets the blame for losses by himself.
This loss was really disappointing because it was a home game against a division rival, but there are still a season’s worth of games to play, and therefore a chance to improve.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I completely agree...
I was just saying that blanket statements that one player “lost” the game are not really worth that much since you could make equal changes at other positions and see the same change in outcome.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
and it’s time to start developing another (legit) QB prospect so after another year or two of these shenanigans we don’t have to say that any more.
Russian Machine Never Breaks
Isn't that why they drafted McGee?
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I can’t beleive how much we are making this game
Personally, if we can’t beat what I feel is the third best team in our DIVISION, how will we fair the rest of the way
Very true
The minute we have a chance to take charge of the game… after all the foolishness in the 1st half… Romo throws an inexcusable interception. He’s never won anything in his life… and sadly, it looks like he never will. He’s just not a leader.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Just because you feel the Giants are the third best team in our division
doesn’t make it so. I’m not saying I disagree or agree with your opinion, but none of us knows how this season is going to shake out.
That’s why they play the games! And yes, this loss was disappointing, but there are plenty of games left to play, where we’ll start finding out more about who’s who in our division.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
The feeling that says, "oh well it was just another game" doesn't lead to improvement
I hope the loss eats at all the players all week
I don't think anyone has ever really said that
but in the same way you wouldn’t want the team to get too high after winning in September, you wouldn’t want them to get too low after losing. The key is you have to see where you made mistakes and adjust accordingly. I don’t think being angry or blaming people is the way to do that.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think the players will be influenced by
anything I say or do. Nor will any of you. So glad this is America and I can say any stupid thing I want, so there, thbb
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 12:27 AM CDT reply actions
Save it...watch it after we win the Superbowl this year, and laugh at how stupid you felt at the time, because there was no need.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 21, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
It just tastes so good...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I come on this board because I want to "hang out" with Cowboy's fans...
…celebrate when we win and commiserate when we lose. But the thing that bugs me, and shouldn’t, is that even fans come in different degrees. Some are casual fans that make silly/unsubstantiated statements, some are always pessimistic, and some are “overly” optimistic…why am I so bugged by stupid comments? Why? Because I AM a Cowboys fan…no matter what I roll with the Boys…even if they don’t win a playoff game for the next dozen years, I’ll still buy their jerseys, watch the games, and pray for success…DAMMITTT!
100%
I am a Cowboys fan. But apparently citing that Tony is 5-8 in December as a response to a statement about how they will get better apparently makes me a Giants fan….
Note my avatar…. See the Tigers logo… Yeah, I know about sticking with a team through bad times.
So stating a fact illustrating my frustration and concern does not make me less of a fan
I'm a Cubs fan
I win
You did get hit too hard before, people vent and get all wussy after a loss-
has something to do w/maybe a little drinkning during the game?
Loosens tongues/fingers
This one was just so frustrating
by Realist Larry on Sep 21, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha...I'm Cubs and Cowboys too Larry
It’s been a brutal decade.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
people who appear to be pessimistic or even overly pessimistic have 14 years worth of angst to justify it. we’re not fair weather fans; if we were, we’d be ignoring this instead of ranting.
the problem with the ‘just one game’ theorists is that it’s been this way since this core started coming together in the last five years or so. we have too much talent to rebuild right now, but apparently not enough to go anywhere.
Russian Machine Never Breaks
You point is well worth considering—
we have too much talent to rebuild right now, but apparently not enough to go anywhere.
but I still think it’s too early in the season to make that kind of statement regarding this season.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Way to go Cali
You and me both. I watched them get beat by the Baltimore Colts in SB V and cried. That was when I was 11 years old
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 12:30 AM CDT reply actions
LoLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Same crap from last year but you guys know what there is no T.O.!!!!!!!!!
The exact same play from ROMO in december. I enjoy watching him play,but crap this guy straight up broke the Cowboys back tonight!!!!!!
If this trend keep occuring i hope Garret has the balls to bench ROMO.ITs bigger than Romo this is a full season at stake.
He has not learn the basics of the game yet.There rookie QB’s out there who already got it but this guy seem lost!!!!
I don't like Mario Manningham
No sir, don’t like that guy one bit.
Can’t wait until he retires.
What? He’s only in his 2nd season?!?
Oh crap….
So it begins...
As a Michigan fan I was very disappointed when we passed on him...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
So was Calvin Johnson
and I would trade next year’s first for him. And yes, I did just realize that you were an OSU fan (so now the comment makes more sense hahaha).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's more cold water in your face... …without Romo, we don’t have a chance. Roll that one around your head for awhile.
Not so, there are many QB’s in the game that don’t turn the ball over as much as he does. I think when Romo is on, he’s awesome. Problems is, he turns the ball over too much (losing games) and isn’t consistent. He needs to be better, period.
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:34 AM CDT reply actions
Here is a shot in your face
With ROMO we straight up gave up a game. When get your butt whip you got whip !!!!!!!But when you give games away its something else. A friend predicted this to me and i am seeing it possibly happing Kitna eventualy getting the start.
No way Kitna will start unless Romo is injured
Not happening.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
9 bad games in 42 for his career?
Essentially the same as Staubach and Aikman. And you’re going to write him off.
HOLDS ON
THIS isnt the first time we seen this from this guy. Just straight up throwing away games. This season will be a dozzie but gosh we need every W we can get until we go into the winter gauntlet
And...
We saw those games from Staubach and Aikman too. We’ve just forgotten them :)
I don’t argue that this is a wasted opportunity.
I don’t argue that Romo played badly.
I argue that he got us up with 3:40 to go.
Look...
I know I have gotten hot under the collar, but the fact is that if Romo isn’t there, then the Cowboys can’t run the ball like they do. He provides the threat that the defense has to take into account. Otherwise, they would just be able to stack the box and shut down the run.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
WRONG - it wasn't Romo
All he did on that drive was throw 1 pass to Witten for 13 yards.
It was Barber and Felix that put us up
The same goes for you...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Instead of calling a timeout just before the winning FG
Wade should have called a timeout right before Romo’s INTS
Romo had a duel personality tonight
Like he was on a roller coaster, or like he became someone else on different series. I wonder who abused him as a child. Just kidding, but he sure ran hot and cold
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions
I thought our defense was responsible for allowing Eli to make a 4th quarter comeback.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Seriously...
I swear that some people just look at that field and see 11 Romo’s playing on the field.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Dallas would of been up by 2 TDs if not for Romo
Thats not hard to see
by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
lets face it
Eli Manning our played Romo
by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Twelfth Man
I know this ultimately comes down to the players and coaches, but still, I’m curious. . .
How come Dallas fans (in stadium) always suck? They were never very vocal or savvy at Texas Stadium. Tonight, they had to be reminded to get loud every time the Giants lined up. And then — mistakenly — they always seemed to automatically get loud when the Boys lined up.
Sorry. I live in Cali and would kill to easily get to a Boys game in person. I just wish our in-person fans had an understanding of the game the same way Packer fans seem to.
And that may, in fact, be the downside of such a huge stadium — more room for uniformed fans who simple want to mingle and cocktail, instead of play the role of Twelfth Man.
CaliFanInTx, how much have you had to smoke and drink tonight?
“Save it…watch it after we win the Superbowl this year, and laugh at how stupid you felt at the time, because there was no need. by CaliFanInTx on Sep 20, 2009
Superbowl? Really? 2nd game in? Romo still throwing INT’s, at HOME?
Come on, talk to us when you’re sober.
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:36 AM CDT reply actions
As far as
Putting all the blame on Romo, I think is just wrong. Don’t get me wrong those interceptions cost us BAD! And thought he had improved on those kind of interceptions, but at the end of the day I think if the receivers win the battles they were supposed to, Tony would have had no problem hitting the open man. Fact of the matter was there were not many open receivers tonight. We simply lost match ups we thought we were supposed to win on both sides of the ball.
And the pass rush and coverage
those didn’t matter?
Romo has the biggest share, but at any time the defense could have simply done it’s job and they would have won. Romo led the last drive successfully, and then what did the defense do in return? Gave up the game.
As bad as this game was for Romo, you’d be better off worrying about a defense that two weeks in a row could not sack a QB or come up with a turnover. Or shoot, stop a drive late in the game.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Romo led the last drive successfully?
All he contributed was 1 pass for 13 yards to Witten.
That go-ahead score was all about Barber and Felix Jones.
Garrett was smart to keep the ball out of Romo’s hands as much as possible – and it got us a TD
NDCowboy
?
INT’s cost us BAD? Hmm.. what was the score? How many points were threw the air? One INT for a direct TD. I think you’re wrong Mister.
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:40 AM CDT reply actions
Don't get me wrong
There’s plenty of blame to go to Romo, but we just looked terrible on defense. Our receivers lost the battle against their corners which we were supposed to win and Romo made two plays he never should have made and thrown it away. Also on defense our corners was supposed to win the battle against their WR’s and boy that sure didn’t happen.
We were up with over 3 minutes to go and our defense let us down. Eli threw the ball at will! That is something that is just out of Romos hands.
One more note
If there isn’t a man open, YOU DON"T THROW INTO COVERAGE! Throw it away dammit
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:41 AM CDT reply actions
+1
Me too BishopWest
Both of my Fantasy teams killed today..
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:42 AM CDT reply actions
I hope we play at noon next week
This all day thing, and ending badly, is not good for me
RE: Hitler reference
It was a youtube video w/Hitler as a Cowboy fan, hilarious
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 12:45 AM CDT reply actions
Next week MNF vs Carolina
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Wonderful
Maybe Sunday will be a good day
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 12:48 AM CDT reply actions
After seeing Philly today
I’m not sure they are our problem…
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 12:49 AM CDT reply actions
Boy after tonight
Eli torching us, unless something changes drastically the Saints will have no problem hanging 50 on us.
Yeah, hopefully another dominating Fantasy Sunday
Who knows, may Dallas will start to suprise us. Romo and this defense is playing like crap though. This defense needs to get better soon or well, another generation will slip on by.
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 12:50 AM CDT reply actions
What made me happy today?
1) Philly loss
2) Pats loss – can’t stand ’em
3) My fantasy team won
4) Our run defense improved from last week
5) I got to watch Felix make some big plays
Close for me...
1) Philly lost
2) Tigers won
3) My fantasy team won (2-0)
4) Our run defense improved from last week, seriously
5) I didn’t break anything as I watched the failure
Our running game was beautiful tonight
They need to extend Kosier’s contract.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree on the A/C
the boys may be a little better acclimated due to geography, but they are a bit heavier on both sides of the line, as a customer, I’d be pissed, especially If I didn’t wear shorts assuming there’d be air.
Conan!, What is good in Football?!
Daa.... to run between the tackles,
To drive the linebackers before you,
And to hear the lamentations of the cheerleaders.
Too easily we forget
Romo will always be what he is. He is a top-10 quarterback in the NFL. He loses a game on his own sometimes. It happens. Look around the league, pick any quarterback. Tell me he has NEVER lost a game with a poor performance. I’ll keep remembering games like Buffalo and Detroit two years ago to tell me I want Romo behind center for my team. Does anyone remember what this offense looked like last year when Romo went down? The man puts us in position to win games, even when he puts up a stinker. 3 picks and we still only lost by two points, despite our pass D being ripped apart.
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
The fact that Romo will always be Romo...
is why we don’t win in DEC or the playoffs.
I don’t trust him in a pinch, I cringe when he starts flinging the ball up for grabs.
Every time he drops back, I’m biting my lip thinking, “no Romo, don’t do something stupid again”
i'm still concerned with how we're
struggling to get off the field on 3rd down. smith and manningham had some drive extending catches and you could tell that the D was gassed at the end. and raf was right – scandrick was pretty bad tonight. he was missing tackles AND getting beat. his night just seemed to snowball on him.
by desus32 on Sep 21, 2009 1:15 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
as for romo
he looked out of synch all night. that two deep safety look bothered him and he was forcing every other pass into coverage. plus his accuracy was not nearly as crisp as normal. i still have confidence in him because he’s rarely this bad, but tonight he could do little right and looked pretty down on himself.
by desus32 on Sep 21, 2009 1:19 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
We have to be supportive
I’m just not going to be into crucifying Romo to satisfy some blood lust for this loss. We’ll find out soon enough if he can reign in gunslinger tendencies. Admiting you have a problem is the first step. He is still young enough and does have a good heart and good skills, and a good offense. I am agreeable though with the fans here who wonder why some pass plays were even called since our running tonight was pretty awesome.
As they say: when you pass the ball only one out of three possible outcomes is good
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 1:24 AM CDT reply actions
YEAHH
But its already hard enough to win but to keep covering up for some one mistakes is huge. This isnt nothing new we seen this from this guy before that is all iam saying. If i was Jerry i would be taking precautions about ROMO.
How embarrassing - just look at this: Compare WR play
M Manningham 10 for 150 yards
S Smith 10 for 134 yards
Austin 1 for 20
R Wms 1 for 18
Hurd 1 for 7
Crayton 1 for 4
YEpp
I knew about Manningham bein the truth when the G men drafted him( y the CBOYS pass on Mannigman and JAckson I dunno). But to let Steve Smith Burn u man child plz!!!
+1..
I must admit I’m little worried about the WRs after last night. Aboslutely no one coupld get any seperation last night.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
What precautions?
What would you do?
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 1:30 AM CDT reply actions
He might just need a benching
Dont get it wrong but look at Mark Sanchez that rook did a big win for them. Joe Flaco turn into a killer in the pocket. Matt Ryan is a young grown man. But Romo i dunno some days u hate him some days u love him.
and with rookie caliber play
we wouldn’t have had winning seasons our last 3 years.
Again, you take the good with the bad
yea sure bench him for a game
and watch us lose to a sub 500 team.
Benching your star qb is wrong….its stupid. its moronic. Its pretty much thowing a game imo
Wow
I just can’t believe what I’m hearing but I just won’t argue with overheated emotion. Yeah let’s draft for the position, nothing stays the same and you gotta keep moving. But let’s face it, he is our qb for this season no matter how mad you are at him or think he’s a POS. I happen to disagree and think that he can change some of his more destructive habits if he puts his mind to it. I will be praying for his sake that he does, he’s awfully fun to watch when he’s on.
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 1:38 AM CDT reply actions
you really think he can change his gunslinging stupidity
this is his SEVENTH season in the NFL – he’s not changing, move on
and spend another 8 years
looking for a qb
HE either way we go we can win by him or die by him right now its 50/50
Dont get it wrong i like the guy i would want him to be our qb. But i just say it how it is. Im not going to say Romo just had a bad game WE SEEN THIS BEFORE!!!!
A leopard can't change his spots, nor can a Romo correct his gunslinging INTs
What you see – is what you get
So who’s the new “Thong” of the secondary? Plenty to choose from ;)
Romo seems to have a stinker of a game early in every season. I don’t quite remember which one was last year’s (maybe against the Foreskins?), but he had a terrible one the prior year against Buffalo on MNF
I think some credit has to go to giants wrs
they looked pretty good to me. But NEwman has lost a step. And maybe we should put away the annointing oil on scandrick and jenkins
NO
We got Kitna And McGee!!!
Trust me kitna is hard ass nails. HE will throw a pic here and there but he just need to know hes replacable.
My bad on getting overheated Grizz...
I will try not to let it happen again. Passion got the best of me.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I can't believe you guys that want to bench Romo
It’s one game.
Last week he threw 3 TDs and no turnovers. You take the bad with the good. He’s still a top QB.
It took Dallas about 7 or 8 seasons to find a replacement for Aikman, and you want them to look for another one after the 2nd game of the season.
So it begins...
I'm so glad that we have real men in charge
at the Dallas Cowboys. These emotional outbursts are not true arguments and don’t change anything, and are raising my blood pressure. I’m going to bed for real this time.
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 1:45 AM CDT reply actions
lol, what a disfunctional organization that would be.
Kind of like the Raiders?
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I thought the same when I read this last night
Hmm, kinda like the Raiders. LOL
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
bishopwest obviously had money on the game
however, I think that it could be worse, we could be 0-2 like carolina and tennessee (two teams that were more or less locks for the playoffs) I don’t even think that we have the biggest qb problems in the top half of football teams (vikings, panthers, patriots, hell, even schaub had a bad game week 1)
I liken this game to the bears/packers game last week. two rival teams that know each other very well. cutler threw 4 picks and they lost a heartbreaker. cutler had the weight of an entire city, two first round picks, and a sour city of denver. sure, he stunk it up in week one. but, now what are people saying this week?
chill out until week 8
What would Ware and Suggs look like together? Bring on the uncapped year.
this isn't a ONE TIME deal with Romo
I could list a string of games JUST LIKE THIS over his career
I’m tired of making excuses for him and thinking he will change; tired of blaming it on this or that or something else.
He is the problem.
He plays a couple of good games, then stinks up the joint, repeat, repeat, repeat, etc.
We, the fans, deserve better than Romo
And I could string out many more good to great games
so that does nothing to prove your point. I suppose I can only wonder what you would have said about Peyton Manning 5 years ago as a Colts fan.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 1:56 AM CDT up reply actions
The point is...
We have no playoff wins or Super Bowls during his tenure – that really is the ONLY POINT
There is no way to ever know
but with most other QBs we don’t go 13-3 in 2007. The grass isn’t always greener.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate to tell you but if Romo gets a ring and continues with his numbers
he will indeed be in the discussion. And five years ago, all anyone could say was that Peyton wasn’t born to win the big one and that he would never do it. Then, we all know that in 2006 he indeed got a better defensive effort and used that to win a Super Bowl. From then on, all the questions stopped. All I am saying is that using past failure to predict future failure is not a real good way of prognosticating his future success.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed
even with romo being on and off, we’re still better at qb than MOST teams. If he can get things together and get some consistency going we’ll be fine.
We need to take care of business next week gainst carolina – is a home game that imo is a must win. Then on the road to KC and denver…we SHOULD, if we’re as good as i think we are, go into the bye week 4-1.
"If he can get things together and get some consistency"
LOL – he’s had 7 years already and nothing has changed
ROMO
Needs to know this is a business not a comitee. Let him know tell they guy put him on blast!!!! Feelings on not man who remeber last year watching the steelers play but knowing the cowboys was a better team.
The Giants are right about one thing
This is just a divsional game, tough loss no doubt, but wade’s job won’t be lost because of this. It’s the brutal December schedule. He better get his defense straight before then. This team needs to be at least 6-2 to have a change with the killer december/jan schedule. The play has to get better. Thus far its the same problems as last year, sloppy play, by a talented team. That will get us to 8-8 and a new head coach
And last week
there were 31 worse than Romo
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions
he isn't horrible every week
but he sure does stink up the join enough to know that you don’t want him as your franchise QB
I laughed at Sanchez, Leftwich, and Collins
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I used to be Romo's biggest supporter when he became the starter
But now he’s proven that he shouldn’t be in charge of this team. With a QB who is only going to hand the ball off and not throw picks we are winning this game by 17. The one or two big plays a game isn’t worth starting a turnover machine. He had an entire offseason to work on this issue, and in the biggest regular season game of the year when the Cowboys are dominating in all other aspects of the game he throws three picks? Terrible.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
And with that QB the Giants stack the box and we aren’t able to run the ball. I am not justifying the picks but the game of football is too complicated to break it down like you do.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh no!
Romo threw 3 INTs and we still barely lost 33-31. Oh no! The world is over! Fire Romo! Fire Garrett! Fire Wade! Fire Jerry Jones! Fire Newman/Scandrick! Let’s just get Jake Delhomme and Daunte Culpepper, and hire Rod Marinelli and then we’ll be the best because Cupcake and Romo aren’t here.
Man, we lost one game because of a spotty secondary and bad play by Romo in WEEK TWO and everyone is crying. What the hell is wrong with all of you?! We’re COWBOYS FANS, not ESPN drones. We’ll come back from this. It was a bad game. Some of the Cowboys played their hearts out and were it not for a turnover or a few bad plays, we’d be talking about Romo living up to his potential. So many bandwagon fans.
We’ll be okay, guys. Pull yourselves together. Next week we got the Panthers at home.
How many times do we have to say this
We’ve been doing the whole “we’ll come back next week!” song and dance for years now. Every time Romo costs us a game (frequently) there is this delusion that he will fix his problems, that Wade will get the team in gear, and we’ll start playing well. Romo gets too much credit because he improved our QB situation from terrible to mediocre. We aren’t going to win in the postseason until we have a QB that is actually good.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
So, we just sit around?
And say “woe is us?” Sorry, i’m an optimist. I’ve been through a lot in my life and i’m that person that thinks everything will be okay. I don’t like to just think everything sucks and leave it at that, you know? It’s no disrespect to you. I just don’t see the point of bashing Romo when we could have Campbell or Delhomme. Would you rather see Kitna backed up by McGee? I wouldn’t. Romo might not be the best QB, but we gotta make do and hope he’ll turn it around this time. Otherwise, what’s the point of being a Cowboys fan, you know? That’s just my opinion.
I'm not trying to be a downer
I’m just sick of this happening year after year. We need to just draft a decent quarterback and stop throwing away draft picks for dated talent. My issues start with Jerry, but right now I’m just pissed that this repeatedly happens.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Well,
on the brighter side, if Romo keeps up the failbus, maybe McGee can develop into a good quarterback? You never know.
Sorry, I'm a Texas fan first
So it’ll be a cold day in hell before I root for a Cowboys team led by an A&M QB. Just cut him and draft somebody else.
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
Been a Cowboy's fan for nearly 40 years, and will be til the day I die - that's not gonna change
I’m as die hard as they come.
But when our QB screws up like he did tonight, I’ve earned the right to roast him! I’ll praise him on another day when he deserves it.
You think we should pat him on the head and smile and say “everything is fine?” That wouldn’t help him improve.
He needs to think through his mistakes and watch the film over and over; and figure out what he did wrong and how not to do it again. And then actually prove in a big game situation that he has really changed!
While i agree with your assertion
This was NOT a big game. There are no big games in september. None.
wrong
Any intra-division game is huge — no matter when it happens. Period. Later.
No, that's not what I mean.
Calling him out is fine, like you said, we have the right to. Three interceptions for god’s sake. I just mean the freaking out. The “Get Romo the hell out of here!” or “Romo sucks! He’s washed up!” Kind of talk, you know what I mean?
Right now, Romo gives us our best chance to win
I like him playing more than our backups,
i just don’t really have faith in him that he can win us any playoff games.
He has too many mental lapses and at the worst of times.
No, I don't know what you mean
Please, can you write in complete sentences and share complete thoughts?
Okay, i'll break it down more.
I don’t have a problem with people calling out Romo when he has a bad game. By that, I mean “What the hell, Romo? Stop doing that!” You know, typical talk by a fan when things aren’t going well.
However, I do have a problem when people overreact and throw Romo under the bus. By that, I mean “GET ROMO OUT OF HERE! KITNA!” talk. It’s not like it was all his fault. The defense didn’t exactly play up to standards, either.
I don’t think you read my previous posts on this thread, because I read it over, and it makes perfect sense to my buddy and I. Then again, it’s 4:23 am and i’m still writing a paper due in 5 hours. Thank God for college, right?
On Tony Romo:
INT # 1: you’re a pro and you should’ve been able to read that coverage and no throw the ball to that particular spot. That was one of the Giants pet coverages; I recognized it and I don’t have the access to the film that Tony does.
INT# 2: I know it was one of those fluke things, but that was an awful throw for a QB known for accuracy. I expect a throw like that from Mcnabb, but not from Romo.
INT# 3: Locking on to a WR is never good and Tony definitely did that.
Sort of agree
Int #1 was bad in lots of ways – it was a bad choice, it was badly thrown. Romo looked truly confused on that whole drive.
int #2 was a fluke. As it occurred my thought was that he was actually just trying to throw it away because he threw it hard and low.
Int#3 I think the fault (based on Collinsworth’s analysis and Romo’s post game stement) wasn’t locking on, it was not seeing Phillips thirty yards or so off the line of scrimmage. Romo’s fault there was not making sure he idenitified where the FS was, which is what he said in the presser. But credit Phillips / Sehridan for the play call. It was good for only one thing – stopping the long ball which is what Garrett dialed up.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Ok, But...
As the QB, you come to the line and make your pre snap reads, and I remember seeing Phillips in the deep middle pre snap, so Tony should be able to see him.
Of course
and Romo said that – he didn’t see him but it was his responsibility to find him.
I’m trying to actually dissect a football view rather than an emotional one, that’s all.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Amen
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
The throw was to Witten or Cricket;
He has to make the checkdowns,the Giants aren’t that stupid to let the WRs get deep after what they saw last week,He talked all week about taking what’s there.
I just don’t know what the rush was,they hadn’t stopped the run enough to throw the ball and the game wasn’t out of control.
He missed seeing the safety
that’s why he took the shot that Garrett called. He thought it was there and it wasn’t. The error apparently wasn’t forcing it, it was misreading trhe field.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I don't want a QB who can get to the postseason, I want one who will win there
If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!
well
Hopefully, we have good luck with both this year. Not sure. It’s only week 2, but if we can’t hang with the G right now, we’ll have a hard time in the playoffs — assuming we even get there.
exactly
Last year we were the best team after week two. How far did that get us?
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
ahahahaha
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
1. Romo. Come on man, you’re killing me. I’ve been on of your biggest cheerleaders, but we win this game if you remove the two stupid picks.
2. Spencer. If Ware is going to be double and triple-teamed every game, you are going to have to pick up your game.
3. Safeties. Do we have any? I thought your safeties were your last line of defense in coverage.. Someone should tell them that.
4. Garrett. Sometimes I think the guy gets too cute for his own good. If I’m the OC and we’re running the ball like we were last night, I run until they force me to stop.
Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?
While I’m at it……Flozell. Really? You blatantly trip a guy, negating a 36 yard pass play, then you play coy about it after the game. It seems that if you make the big bucks, there is no accountability. Of course, with the poor job we’ve done with developing linemen, it’s not like we could yank him.
Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?
Agreed on the safeties
I thought Ken Hamlin looked absolutely clueless last night at times. Sensabaugh didn’t play so bad, but Hamlin missed on blitzing and whiffed on some coverages. Definitely needs to get fixed since Hamlin is the second highest paid player in money per year if I remember correctly.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
+1 on Hamlin
I thought bringing Sensai in would allow Hamlin to play deeper, but it looks like he still plays as close to the LOS as last season.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm Sick!!!
… and living in NYC makes it even worse. A few things on last night:
- I’m starting to think Tony Romo is definitely the next Danny White.
- Two games, no turnovers, no sacks; what’s going on fellas?
- Terrance Newman should never be mentioned as one of the better corners in the league.
- Ken Hamlin has as much value as a penny with a hole in it.
Yes Aikman and Staubach had some bad games…
…but not with such frequency, in such high-profile games.
Aikman for example had a terrible game against the Redskins, at RFK, in 1992. The Cowboys lost a close one and because of that dropped to 11-3 and ended up giving Niners home field that year. After that loss Aikman responded by going five straight games without throwing a single pic; not one. This interception free streak culminated with a Super Bowl MVP performance.
I have been a HUGE defender of Romo but I’m longer confident that he will ever put together a 5-game streak like the example I just gave. Romo has had TERRIBLE games in 3 out of his last 4 starts; that’s 75% if you look at these past 4 games. I used to say that I would rather Romo be a lot more like Tom Brady in his decision making than Brett Favre (whom he is so often compared to). Now, I’d be happy if he could actually be more like Favre and less like Rex Grossman (whom I fear he is turning into).
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
I say cramping
It looked like a muscle tying up, not a tear or anything.
I'm tired of the Danny White comparisons
If Romo can consistently get us to the NFC Championship, then you can compare him to Danny White.
+1
Couldn’t agree more. White ran into really good playoff teams and had some really bad luck. Right now Romo has more in common with Quincy Carter.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I said from the beginning of the season that this year is a “show me year”. So far, they’ve shown me that they are the same team I’ve seen the past several years. They’ll beat the teams they’re supposed to beat (sometimes) and lose the games (in disturbingly ugly fashion) they need to win. Stop the run, get destroyed in the passing game. Stop the pass, get destroyed in the running game. Where’s the consistency? Where’s the rebounding when adversity hits? Why does this team feed off of negative plays and build on them rather than rise up and overcome? My answer? I don’t think they can. When Eli FREAKING Manning throws for over 300 yards on you, you are a BAD, BAD defense.
So far they’ve shown me that they are among the worst defensive teams in the league, so to me, that’s exactly what they are. I love this team and always will, but I won’t pump sunshine anymore. You are what you are, and the only people who can change that is the players and coaches. They haven’t.
I never thought I'd say this:
But I miss Roy Williams. He just helped to hold the Packers receivers in check. He actually outplayed our secondary yesterday.
And, of course, I’ve been saying this since we dumped him. But we should all miss Greg Ellis. D-Ware isn’t nearly as effective without a pass rushing threat on the opposite side. Not only did Ellis put up 2 sacks of his own. Look at what he did for Richard Seymore on his sack. As the Raider’s blog said:
Look at the way Greg Ellis bull rushed Chargers RT Jeromey Clary. Ellis has got Rivers by the ankles by the time Seymour gets there to finish him off. I’m very excited about our two new defensive ends!
Top 15 Pick
With this group, we should finish with .500 or so record which should net a top 15 pick and Wade a pink slip.
Yea, I'm already scouting players
I just have no idea where to start since the whole team looks like crap.
I wouldn't say that
Our receiver play is no better or worse than last year. There were critical times last year when we went max protect and our receivers just did not get open (in contrast to Smith and Manningham – both of whom we could have drafted). And it appears this year is no different. With the exception of Witten, our untalented receivers only get open as a result of opponent mistakes, not their own ability to get free.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 21, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think we saw similar problems last year
Last year’s TO was not the type of game-changing force that would have fixed last night’s problems. Maybe TO 2007, I guess. But really, our offense looked excellent— good pass protection, excellent run game, open receivers. Romo was just off. Badly.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
TO dropped passes right in his mitts; but he could really change a game.
Good points, guys.
Thanks
Wharter
Crayton took over that role last night
Two, right through the mitts. He wasn’t the problem, but when your passing game is struggling, the last thing you can afford is to miss the opportunities you get. Same with Flo tripping. What a knucklehead – dirty and puts them right back into a hole.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Two stats sum it up prett well, right?
2 games, 0 sacks
-4 TO ratio
I mean, MINUS FOUR!!!! That’s awful! Most games with a TO ratio that looks like that are going to be blowouts. The fact that we were in it at the end is amazing.
And the pass rush really seems to be a problem. We got no pressure rushing 4 and even our blitzes weren’t getting there, with the exception of a few Bradie James rushes. I imagine Wade will look at this and if anyone can figure out a way to correct it, it’s probably him.
CBs looked bad, but you can’t cover forever— at least a couple hits on Eli might have helped.
From an emotional perspective, it’s very frustrating to watch your two franchise players (Ware and Romo) vanish from time to time. Ware is particularly irritating, as he has done this before. I know pass rushing is a streaky thing and there are very few guys out there who get pressure on most snaps, but he just did not make an impact in the pass game tonight. Good run D from him, and good work dropping into coverage, but really very little rush. And Spencer and Ratliff seemed to have good games, so I can’t imagine they were tripling Ware.
These things, combined with the fact that he did not beat many tackles for sacks last year and a number of his 20 were pronounced “coverage sacks” by KC Joyner, makes me worry.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I agree unfortunately...
But I expect our blitzing to get better. I can’t imagine Wade watches that tape and doesn’t come to the conclusion to blitz more.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Blitzing is fine if it gets to the QB
Dallas’s blitzes never get there. Guys run into the OL and just get swallowed up. They give away the blitz far too early, then can’t seem to figure out how to break through.
I blame coaching and a lack of talent.
by Urinal Mint on Sep 21, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree...
On the third and five on the last drive, our blitz definitely got there. Its just too bad that the tipped ball went straight into Manningham’s hands. Most of the time, when we brought heat, we made Eli unload the ball early. While that isn’t a sack, it definitely suffices as “getting there” in my book because it allows us to dictate to the offense.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, we needed to get to Eli more. That would have helped the secondary out.
It’s the times when the Giants max protected and still managed to beat our DBs 1-on-1 is whats the most concerning. They had an unproven WR torching our supposedly pro-bowl-deserving #41.
Scandrick got baptised – but that was inevitable for a young starter.
Mental – mental – mental errors.
We have a lot of physical talent but very little resolve and discipline in key areas of responsibility.
In perspective
I’m trying to be realistic about this game and put things in perspective. I think most talking heads picked the Gnats to win, they did.
If I’m a Gnats fan I’m really worried about the season because they all know they were dominated all game long and only won that game because of some lucky bounces and some bonehead Cowboy plays. The Gnats got a win but they can’t be proud of that victory.
Romo – TO is gone, Jess is gone, Romo friendly offense, Palace in Dallas (actually Arlington), another year working with Roy Williams….what is it going to take to have this guy not making the same mistakes? Can he perform when the spotlight is on?
Scandrick – Lando is my boy, but sheesh. He looked bad. He missed tackles and some coverages. I think he has a lot of heart and will come roaring back, but he got schooled last night.
Spencer – He has to amp it up.
Felix – He looked good from scrimmage but he did look tentative on KO. What’s up with that?
Turnovers – Not only our 4, but the fact that we have no takeaways.
Secondary – The NYG receivers were not only open, they were WIDE open in many cases.
So, as a Cowboys fan I’m pissed that we (Romo) gave away an opportunity to beat a division rival but I’m encouraged that we beat the Gnats like a rented mule in most phases of the game. I can see that we have some glaring deficiencies but we also have some awesome strengths to build on.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
I don't think it's as easy as
Romo disappearing when the bright lights are on. He’s done well there before. It may be worse. I think whatever the Giants were doing were confusing him, the receivers or both. They looked pretty out of synch all game. In addition to Romo making some terrible reads, Crayton let two go through his hands and RW never looked open.
The game had the same feel as the Philly blow-out did – everything seemed chaotic in the passing phase. They need to work that out, I think – how to re-assert their own game plan instead of letting the other team dictate to them.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
To me it just felt like when we passed we called way too many deep routes. The middle of the field should have been ours for the taking with Witten and Bennett like it was for Washington, but I felt like we kept trying to throw tough sideline patterns that weren’t really working. I don’t think this mistake is solely Garrett’s or Romo’s but a mix. They definitely need to get together and think about changing the emphasis of our passing game because I personally didn’t see enough screens or simple middle routes to expose that Giants defense. In fact I would say that we need to take a page out of the Giants playbook because down the stretch they killed us with their receivers in the middle of the field.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Cowboyfan'
The last pick play Cricket had just cleared the zone for Witten,even a throw to Cricket would have been better.
Romo did the same thing last year,not hitting the check down to throw into double coverage.And Felix still has 0 catches, maybe Garrett should warm Romo up with some short stuff to the RB’s a perfect oppurtunity to get Felix and the RBs a few touches early,I don’t think no matter how well we ran the ball they weren’t going to bring the S’s into the box.
Why can't the Giants be proud?
Yes, it wasn’t pretty. But, the Giants walked into the opening of a new stadium with 105,000 people there playing a good team, kept their composure, didn’t turn the ball over, and came away with a victory. To me, it’s an extremely impressive victory and one I’m really proud of as a Giants fan.
— Ed
Big Blue View
by Ed Valentine on Sep 21, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
They ought to be proud.
They took every opportunity Dallas gave them and shoved it right in their face. Like any great team does.
Every Cowboy player should aspire to play the well-rounded, complete game the Giants killed them with last night.
by Urinal Mint on Sep 21, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Not saying you can't be proud because I know I would be...
But when put in perspective of the breaks that went against us and the way we generally played, I don’t think there is anything wrong with some of us Cowboys fans feeling good about where this team could go. Honestly, if you guys were exponentially better than us, than you would have killed us with the things that went in your favor. Not saying our season will end better than yours, but after last night, I certainly think the opportunity is clearly there.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
The Giants didn't show me anything
we controlled that game and rammed it down their throats – at will.
It was all about turnovers. That’s what kept them in the game and why this is so disappointing.
They could have exploited our secondary’s bad game and still come up short – without the turnovers.
We can beat the Giants. They had to play an almost perfect game just to win by 2. I saw a lot of positives last night.
I'll rephrase
If I were a Giants fan, I wouldn’t be proud of that victory. I would feel very, very lucky. My vaunted running game got stuffed, my vaunted D line was hardly a factor. I barely escaped with a win ONLY after the Cowboys QB threw two passes directly to my DBs, and gained another pick on a complete fluke.
Fortunate? yes. Proud? no. Maybe my standards are a bit different.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
+1
Congrats to the Gmen. But getting absolutely pounded in the running game and having your own running game stuffed is not exactly encouraging. Not to mention the 0 for 5 TD scored in the red zone or “green zone” as Coughlin calls it.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
This feels similar
to what we were pointing at last year. Everything. However, only 2 games in so I’m not panicking. However again, I believe in trends and I see one that has to be fixed by “Mr. Fix-it”. We are not doing anything on defense to win ball games. We are not creating turnovers and now we are not sacking the QB.
Didn’t the HC also take on the DC position? Weren’t things suppose to get better under his tutilage(sp) with all of his exotic blitz packages?
The loss last night is on Romo, period. But I want the HC gone and I don’t really care how he leaves, period.
WOW,
Had a funny feeling they should have taken the ball out of Romo hands after he over threw the check downs,They needed to run the ball,force the safeties up. And the d came up small,where were the safeties? Can the LBs step up?
Did you see Emmit laughing...
on the sidelines during the game – I couldn’t believe my eyes, yes, when we were melting down, he seemed to be having a good time with it. Raf – good comment on the roof as I was thinking the same thing…and this goes to show you that JJ cares more about making money and being “the King” rather than winning the game – and for all you suckers who spent $300.00+ to see the game, you got what you deserve.
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on Sep 21, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
Wrong, wrong, wrong
Jerry would easily trade buttloads of cash for wins. He is ultra-competitive and if the salary cap goes away, you will see exactly what I mean. Make no mistake, he has a huge ego, but that ego is also the same thing that makes him obsessed with winning.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you sure?
He opted to open up the stadium to crippling humidity to make a few extra bucks so he could play show-and-tell.
Perception is reality.
by Urinal Mint on Sep 21, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The Giants had to play in the same place the Cowboys did and are quite arguably less suited for it considering the fact that the Cowboys should be quite used to it from playing in Texas Stadium and in Dallas in general. Also, whether the roof was open or not did not nearly affect how Jerry played “show-and-tell.” That argument is really pretty weak.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Same old sorry defense as in previous years
No pressure whatsoever. They can’t pressure the QB. They can’t stop the run when they need to. They can’t cover. They can’t force turnovers.
This defense needs a real MLB and some creativity to cover up all those warts.
In my opinion...
Romo’s 3rd INT was more forgivable than his first two, and here’s why.
- That last one was like a punt (even though it pissed me off that he turned it over because we had the lead and great field position)
- The first one obviously was returned for a TD and was thrown into a crowd where like three blue shirts were positioned.
- If the second one (that bounced off Witten’s foot and into Kenny Phillips’ possession) wasn’t behind #82, the pic doesn’t happen.
Think about it. If just one of those INTs doesn’t occur, our Boyz win the ballgame.
They all hurt, but this one was really, really tough to swallow.
Celebrity or Imposter?
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As always
This is a message board all about Romo. I haven’t read all the posts, but I haven’t seen much about how poorly the defense played. We gave up 26 points, and did not look pretty. Run defense was fantastic, but the pass defense was embarrassing. I was getting sick watching that last Giants drive, it was pathetic. How were we not getting any pressure on Eli? I mean c’mon, how hasn’t anyone learned after our second meeting with the Giants last year, and their playoff game against the Eagles, that if Eli is heavily pressured, he makes mistakes. Give him time, and he will light you up.
There isn't any comment on the defense
it’s all Romo. Of course it’s not. It’s Rom AND the crappy pass defense. But that won’t get through to lot of guys.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
The defense gave up one TD drive over 30 yards.
The offense gave the Giants 7 points, and also gave them the ball on the Dallas 27, while the ST gave them the ball on the Dallas 28. 24 of the Giants’ 33 points came after Dallas turnovers. The pass defense was poor, granted, but they are not the reason the Cowboys lost, in my opinion. To me, it’s clear that turnovers did them in. I mean, Romo threw a TD pass for the other team when the D wasn’t even on the field.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Turnovers did kill
but the defense did give up that game winning drive. I’m not just sticking up for Romo, I’m just trying to put it in perspective. If the offense doesn’t perform on a game winning drive, Romo gets blamed for the entire game. If the defense blows a chance to stop a game winning drive, they don’t get any crap. Because its easier for most people to just blame the quarterback.
What do you expect from them?
They had to work against 2 of the top QBs in the league in Romo and Manning. 24 of the Giants 33 points came from turnovers. The defense allowed one TD drive over 30 yards, and that was after one of the turnovers. Romo threw as many TD passes for their team as he did ours. Could they have played better and come up with a stop? Sure, but they can only do so much in a game when continually put in a bad spot. And they are getting lots of crap, and did last week as well, even when the team won. It’s just that people are focusing most of the blame where it belongs, in my opinion.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Relax dude
There is too much focus on the blame. But if Romo has a last second turnover when he has played a great game, he has choked (hypothetically speaking, although it has happened before). But the D does just that, and its all about Romo, no matter how the game goes. In simple terms, Romo is our scapegoat.
I'l just mention the red zone defense was outstanding.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Scandrick really let me down last night
I was really high on Scandrick but he definitely did not show up, but I am not down on him yet hopefully he bounces back
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