BTB Community: Please Read
by Dave Halprin on Sep 21, 2009 3:00 AM CDT
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PrintI'll make this short and sweet. Calling out other commenters, using hard profanity, calling people ignorant or stupid or other insults, or just being an all-out agitator trying to start food fights is not allowed. I don't care how bad the loss was. Please, don't drag our community down, you can be mad about the game and critique it any way you want, but don't tell people what to think or try to belittle them because they don't agree with you.
I will issue temporary bans if things don't calm down. I will not spend another night like last night deleting comments and sending out warnings.
In other words, handle the loss like men and get control of your emotions.
Carry on, respectfully. The community guidelines are still in effect.
And go back to the previous post and read Raf's story.
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Tony Romo...
snatching defeat from the jaws of victory… again. The worst big game quarterback in recent memory.
This was a big game
The opening of the most expensive stadium in the world is a pretty big event.
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Sep 21, 2009 3:56 AM CDT up reply actions
If your a player, or a coach, a game that decides you going to the playoffs or an actual
playoff game is big. Not a regular season game in sept. There aren’t any big consequences to losing this game. Losing always sucks, but it’s not like the pressure of losing and your head coaching career being over.
I disagree
regular season games cant be “big” games. And tonight was one of them.
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Sep 21, 2009 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't think...
losing a home game to a division opponent is huge? Games in December won’t matter with performances like last night.
I’m just glad I didn’t let myself be fooled by last weeks overachievment.
This team is gutless.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The context of the phrase "Big Game" was that Romo can't win a big game
It was in reference to his poor record in December and his one playoff loss. The reason the games in December are called BIG is because you don’t have anymore chances to make up ground.
If you say that all games are big, then Romo’s pretty good at winning those games, if you are refering to his record in December then this game doesn’t qualify. You can’t have it both ways. Romo is wins games like this one.
if you win enough games in Sept through Nov
you could lose ALL of DECEMBER’s games and still make the playoffs
The only reason Dec games are “big” is because you put yourself in bad situation by losing games earlier in the year.
Again, the context is that Romo doesn't win big games
He has a pretty good record in “big” games, just not the ones in december. besides, this is as much the defenses fault as it is romos
Sorry, if you have a lead with 3:20 to go, and the other team
is deep in your territory, there is no excuse for letting them run out the clock in route to and easy field go. The coverage was horrible, and there was no pass pressure. The defense, made Manningham and Smith look like hall of fame wide receivers both had well over 100 yards and 10 catches, BOTH of them. Last week they made Byron Leftwich look good.
I like TNew and Scandrick
but, they were horrendous on the last drive. For being a “shut down” corner Newman got schooled by a second year reciever on the TD. Romo was bad, but the entire secondary forgot how to cover, and Ratliff and Spencer were the only bright spots all night.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
+1 Does Ware even have a sack yet?
Yeah, I think we can stop worrying about Spencer now…It was the secondary and Romo to blame for this loss..Terry has no juice in this argument sticking up for his boy. That was just horrendous on his part. Blame Garrett some also because he shouldve kept pounding the ball until the Giants stopped us, especially with Romo playing as badly as he was in the second half…
His second half was actually better
But I’d look to the pass rush before the secondary. Some of that has to be covering receivers while Eli has time to text with Peyton.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Ya know,....
I was worried when we cut Ellis that this could somehow affect Ware. Am I totally off base on this?
I dont think losing Ellis had anything to do with it...
Spencer has been getting some good pressure, but they seem a step late.
What I meant.......
without Ellis we don’t have any good depth to bring in extra pass rushers. Remember how we would put Ellis next to Spencer to get more pressure? Just a thought.
Where's the bookend?
I was deep in thought about that this morning too…shoulda been working.
by gunnerklein on Sep 21, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Newman was beaten numerous times
He seems to have lost some of his burst out of cuts. I hope he’s tweaked and not just getting old
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Newman
Nah, he was still fast as lightning, I just rewatched the whole thing on DVR. It seemed to me he was very worried about the run.
by gunnerklein on Sep 21, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
He did not move well
when changing direction. His straight line speed was fine.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?....that straight line speed was burnt on the TD pass to Manningham....
I think he lost some….were going to take a bath on his contract fellows…
Don't think so
He looked fine to me.
Manningham burned everyone of the CB’s. I watched him do the same thing last week to the WASH CB’s.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
It was definitely more his fault than anyone's
he seemed to get confused or something out there and his decision-making looked off. The one bright spot is that he made great decisions on when to check to runs at the line. Collinsworth made a great observation about the chess match with Romo and Pierce.
The defense though should concern you more because for the second week in a row they have barely sniffed the QB. That will make for a long season if they can’t play better, and it won’t matter whether you have Romo or Brady back there.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I am concerned with the lack of sacks
But don’t forget the caliber of the 2 offensive lines Dallas played. They were on the field a lot last night, and often had a short field to defend. There was decent pressure on Manning. Romo laying an egg in another “must win” game concerns me a lot more than DL. I’d rank the CB play my 2nd biggest concern, they were horrible too. I"m not sure Newman is healthy and Scandrick and Jenkins don’t seem to get it yet.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I know they are good
But we all know Romo has games like this and every time has rebounded. And it’s frankly easier to fix one player – through his own focus and through play calling to compensate. For example Eli was a pick machine until Coughlin adjusted the game plan to elminate what was killing them.
The lack of pressure is now two weeks in a row. The DBs are impacted by that as well. Several that Newman gave up were probably because Eli had way too much time and great passing lanes. If you want to win in the East, it’s all about stopping the QB.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
In theory I would agree
But this is not a new problem with Romo. Listening to him after the game last night talking about taking responsibilty (good) and promising to get better (good) sounded like an alcoholic promising not to drink again. This is the same MO he’s had since becoming a starter. He intellectually gets it but can’t seem to overcome it. Maybe it’s the coaching, maybe it’s him. The DL has proven they can rush the passer,
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree.......
did you hear Tony Dungy talking about Romo before the game and half-time? He basically said that it’s common knowledge that you can pretty easily force Romo into a turn-over because of his decision making. Whenever you have that kind of reputation, it’s pretty hard to beat. Not trying to beat on the guy, but other teams don’t respect him all that much.
The Giants certainly seemed to respect the deep ball
and that my friend, is because of Romo.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Jeff George threw a great deep ball
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
The point I was making was only that
Romo is obviously respected enough to gameplan around. Not absolving him from blame, but I think to say that teams don’t respect him is off base. Because honestly, even if the players don’t, I assure you that the D-coordinators do. In fact, I would bet Dungy was wishing his defense had a better plan when Tony tore his undefeated Colts up back in 2006.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you, opponents respect and probably fear the good Tony
When he is good he is often great. I would be willing to bet their strategy is to get him to be the bad Tony by forcing him into bad decisions
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Good Tony takes what they give him,
Evil Tony is a gambling,big play boom or bust guy. Good Tony must prevail, or else Kitna might need to see the field.But the D could help him out with a stop,T-O,sack
I don't think that's true
I think teams basically game plan to take him out of the game because when he’s on, he’s nearly unstoppable – mobile, accurate, improvisational.
But I do think they know that confusing him and getting to him can lead to turnovers and they game plan that.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
If he threw three picks a game I'd agree
but he doesn’t. That’s all I’m saying. Even if he never gets it under completely control, he doesn’t lose a lot of games. He’s like 41-13 as a starter?
i think he needs to play better than last night, hands down. He looked rattled and uncertain.
My point is, the defense is now bad two weeks in a row. If you want to find something to make you worry about for playoff chances, it’s that. Romo could snap out of it completely and they’d still not get very far. They havebn’t proven anything this season.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I'm sure if last nights loss is the worst thing
that happens in Romo’s life.. he’ll be just fine. This man is far from a leader.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
What does leadership have to do with picks?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Don't good leaders make good judgements?
but…. I was responding to a post that now waaaaay up there and didn’t have anything to do with picks… but figured I’d answer you nonetheless.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really
leadership is about motivating other people. Romo’s performance over time might impact his ability to lead, but his ability to lead doesn’t impact his performance.
He had a bad game. It happens. If it happens a lot more frequently, he’ll be out of a job. If he gets back on his feet like he has in the past, he’ll be fine.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
So, you're saying
a good leader doesn’t have to make good decisions?
Interesting. I guess we’ll agree to disagree.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
You're mising apples and oranges
decisions affecting the group, yes. Decisions like whether to throw a ball ae not reflective of leadership. Who is he leading, the ball? Well, I suppose on a crossing pattern, he’s leading the WR.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
If you make it generic, sure it sounds great
but making specific indivdual decisions, not decisions that change the group dynamic, no. The President’s decision on breakfast cereals doesn’t impact his relationship with Congress.
So no, Tony making the wrong read and throwing a bad pass isn’t cause by his lack of leadership. It’s caused by not reading the situation correctly. Leadership is about influencing group dynamics. Now, if he blamed other players for his mistakes or refused to take accountability, those would be leadership flaws.
Can his mistakes over time affect his ability to lead? Absolutely. He has to have the confidence of his team mates. But it won’t affect his individual decision-making ont he field.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Why don't you go ask Jerry if that was a big game
I would be very interested to hear his reaction. A home opener in the biggest, best, most expensive stadium in the world, attended by nearly every living Cowboy legend, against a division rival is not just another game. You must be kidding.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree.....
I mean, like you said, you had every Cowboy legend there, and even the ex-President’s family was there. Come on, if this isn’t a big game, then what was?
It was a big game
and if you aren’t on the losing end, it was a really entertaining game. And fluky as all h***. Too bad Dallas lost, but they still have a season in front of them to get on track.
I’m sure Coughlin is unhappy this morning as well – his defense really didn’t play well, and Dallas mistakes and fluky plays kept them in the game.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I agree......
I can’t think of a team that has EVER had 250 yds rushing and lost can you? The part that really got me was how easy it was for Manning to just throw to a wide open Smith and Manningham.
It's thing I hate the most in football
Letting a QB pick you apart. I’m cool if he dies tryin like Leftwich where he pays the price or you get burned while sending the house. But letting Eli just sit back there untouched… It’s UNMANLY!!
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
and it totally reminded me of the 2007 playoff game
right before halftime…we score and Eli takes them back 80 yds for a TD with 47 seconds left in the half….and made it look easy too….
Yeah, I thought about that last night
Groan.......
was Scandrick trying to emulate him?LOL.
You are right
The Giants have to be very concerned the way they were carved up. They have major problems. That just makes losing that game all the more difficult. They’ll figure a lot of that out by the next time these 2 teams play.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
What really gets me.....
Tuck was out, Aaron Ross, Canty and some non drafted DB intercepts us. There’s no way we should have lost that game.
Really? It was just another big Romo game
Name for me one “big game” besides his first playoff game in Seattle where he actually showed up? Oh yeah, he couldn’t hold onto a freaking field goal snap.
How long before Stephen McGee can be ready?
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 21, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Big game against the Packers for Home Field.
Big game in Chicago for the lead in the NFC. Romo has won big games. So, he needed a little help from his defense and they didn’t deliver. Brady looked like a turd yesterday too, anyone gonna say he sucks?
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
I'm with you there buddy
he just doesn’t have it. He’s all glitz but no substance. We need a new QB.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Top of the mornin to ya Tex
Hum along with me would ya? It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood, a beautiful day in the neighborhood, would you be mine, won’t you be mine, won’t you be my neighbor? la la la
I get the feeling you really don’t like Tony Romo, with or w/o Jessica. The evidence is overwhelming for you conviction. Now I’d like to be your executioner. Just kidding, I bet you’re a lot of fun to watch t.v. with
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Making a loss about one person
is more satisfying than a faceless “pass rush” or “secondary”. Everyone likes a single person to blame.
Romo had a bad game, but every QB in the league does, we just don’t watch every snap and every throw as it were the last one on earth. If Romo is the real deal, he’ll show it over the span of his career not in one Sunday night game. I think he has what it takes, hejust needs to keep working on decision making and execution.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I wish I could be as optimistic as you
Here’s the pattern since Romo has become the starter 3 years ago (he’s not some young QB any more, he’s half way through his career). He will have a lot of good and a bunch of great games. His stats are nearly off the charts. Then, on the biggest stages, in the most imporatant games, he lays a big egg. He’ll make the same judgement mistakes as the last time he had a stinker. That’s the pattern he’s established.
I wasn’t thrilled with the defense last night but you can’t discount the amount of time they were on the field and how often it was a short field. 3 of the 4 turnovers were complete momentum changers; Dallas had it and lost it. The fact is, take away the gift points and the Giants would have scored less than 20 points. I would take that over the course of a season.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Eh
he’s won some big games on big stages. Have you already forgotten virtually the same circumstances last September, the Eagles shoot-out. Holy cow. He was awesome.
I think teams at times figure out how to rattle him, show him things he isn’t expecting and sometimes he doesn’t react well. Last night he looked very uncertain to me. I think that’s when the “impulse plays” happen.
There are lots of patterns on this team over the past three years. How about giving up long passes. Not getting pressure on the QB. Not getting turnovers. We choose to look at the QB because he’s most visible and influential position, but do you really think they win a SB this season with the defense you’ve seen the past two weeks?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I'm glad you brought up the 1st Philly game last year, dunk.
We were all thrilled that we won and it was only the third (?) game of the season. And we all know what happended at the end of the season Philly game.
This loss is disappointing, excruciating etc. but it’s not the end of the season.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Agreed on all counts...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Street free agent QB's
You know of any better QG’s out there on the street right now that we can get? If not, be happy we have one as talented as we do.
I really blame the defense as much as romo
the game was won, we were a head with 3+ min to go. and there was no qb pressure, and poor coverage. Mr. Fix it better start burning the midnight oil. This defense appears to be very average.
No sacks and no turnovers.
Of course, that was Romo’s fault. /sarcasm.
Manning was way too comfortable and regularly throwing for 10 – 15 yards each. Romo has his share of the blame, but so does the defense.
I worded that kind of weird.
I was agreeing with you completely, just in case I came off as a jerk. lol.
Nah, i got yah, Wade must be sweatting. If this team goes 10-6
and loses in the first round and the defense is average, It’ll be a lot easier for Jerry to consider firing him (as he is supposed to be the defensive guru) and bring in Shanahan (rumor has it jerry has him on speed dial). The defense is his bread and butter, but he may have put too much stock in Spencer. I really think he doesn’t “lead” the team as much as he should. We may be need to reflect on the firing of the defensive coordinator last year… Wade was really the one calling the shots. Maybe the problem last year wasn’t the defensive coordinator, maybe the problem was Wade.
Wade is always sweating
But that has nothing to do with his employment situation.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions
The rumor
is shanahan. I remember back during the dark ages that was the Barry Switzer years, we were about to play SF when they had Rice (and we had Bill Bates, Deon Sanders). Shanahan called jerry to warn him that “there is a problem with your defence”. Our coaches didn’t listen and Rice torched the D pretty good. So, they go way back, and are reportedly good friends. It would make a lot of sense.
You wonder if that also means
zone blocking. This line is definitely not built for that…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Normally i don't trust espn
but it makes sense because
a) jerry and Shanahan are friends
b)jerry has hired coaches he was friendly with in the past
Now there is the whole offensive line issue, but i don’t think the o-line has been good enough to prevent the hiring of a head coach.
I don't have a problem with it,
but I hope we don’t do it in the middle of the season. That always looks bad. Unless things get really bad, of course.
i doubt that, even campo made the entire year.
and i don’t expect this team to crater, just lose in the first round……….but i hope i’m wrong
they made Eli uncomfortable, but we just couldnt get there....
the pass defense was horrible….they also had a little luck..
How many times did I see James rush up the middle and over pursue…….he does it all the time….our ILBs never get to the QB..never…I think Carpenter was one of the few that made the tackle on Eli just after he threw the ball…
I definitely agree about the over pursuing
There was one play in which we seriously almost let Jacobs cut back against us. With his running style, that is kind of ridiculous. Overall though, the running defense was much improved and showed a better understanding of gap assignments. Hopefully they approach the pass rush problems with the same tenacity this week that we approached the run defense problems this week.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Money
And although Romo has games like this, he doesn’t have that many. The defense not getting to the QB is now a mini-trend and there is no shot at playoffs if they can’t pressure the QB.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I've never been one to blog while I'm trying to watch the game.
And when the Cowboys lose, I’ve been known to take a week or more before I’m ready to blog again. Well, I was doing good. I logged onto the blog this morning and saw this story. Must have been some kind of night on here. This is what took down the DMN blog. When I started blogging a few years ago I was amazed at how hateful Cowboys fans were during and after a loss. I still don’t think the DMN has recovered. Actually I think it’s a bunch of fans of other teams on there now that have totally polluted that site. I’m glad to see BTB taking a strong stance against this type of behavior. As if losing the game was not enough of a bummer, to have pissing contests with other “fans” just makes it that much worse.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
by White Wolf on Sep 21, 2009 6:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
I hate it when we lose I don’t want to talk to anyone or hear from anyone. However this blog should be the place we can go to express our thoughts and feelings, if you can’t do that amongst people who you supposedly have alot in common with then where can you go. We all have diff. opinions, feelings and Ideas. To put someone else down especially in a manner that is hateful an mean spirited is just wrong. We are not Philly… we can do without the internal bashing.
Whether you think you can or you think you can't either way your right
by UnNessecsary Roughness on Sep 21, 2009 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Probably one of the reasons i do not log-in the night after a loss like yesterday..
It wasn't that bad
But a couple guys got into a heated exchange. And one Houston Texan troll had to make a couple smart arse comments.
Grizz deleted all the comments that involved name calling, and the troll.
But thank god Terry wasn’t in there trying to defend Romo last night :)
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Here’s to civility. Let’s keep this blog special as it grows, and not let it become yet another sports blog with a mindless hate=filled comment section.
My apologies for the Fan Post
No profanity, but it wasn’t exactly a constructive post. I look forward to being ripped on by Romo’s Pollyannas.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 21, 2009 7:38 AM CDT reply actions
You are entitled to your oppinion, just like the Romo fans are entitled to theirs.
Ya’ll can argue all you want about Tony’s faults, but in the end he is our qb and infighting and backbiting in our own ranks will eventually do us in.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Romo's the QB,he's Good,he's bad,He's young and tries too hard
But we all know how good he is when he let’s the game come to him and doesn’t press.
It’s up to Garrett to ‘cuff’ him before he looses his mind,and if he gets away from common sense,RUN THE BALL
You can support Romo
without being a “Pollyanna”. That’s just labeling people who have a different take and doesn’t debate the actual question at hand.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
"That’s just labeling people who have a different take and doesn’t debate the actual question at hand."
That’s what everything degenerates to. Since that behavior dominates the “news”, it’s not surprising that it shows up in “sports”.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Agreed
I love this quote from Eleanor Roosevelt
Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Idea: The Cowboys are a sorry football team…
Event: As was evident from the game last night…
People: Where Romo made a few very stupid mistakes.
Ta-da!
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Eleanor would be very disappointed...
LOL
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Well I'm glad now that
We are starting to now paint the bulls-eye on Wade instead of Tony. Tony was kinda -sorta crappy last nite, but I don’t think Wade will give him the spanking he deserves. Cowher or Shanahan would have his little pieces lookin for each other this a.m.
I have never been impressed with Wade, I like coaches who yell and scream at their players, sorta like us. Makes me feel better ;)
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions
if we keep getting to the QB a tad bit late....
…would it not make sense to play bump & run to delay the receivers’ routes and throw off the timing so that the QB has the ball for half a second longer or throws an errant pass?
Or are we already playing bump and run and are just terrible at it?
Or do we not have the personnel to play bump and run?
Or has the defense decided against sacks and interceptions and for hurrys, hits and “bend but don’t break” coverage?
by MicThaRock on Sep 21, 2009 8:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
oops...."hurries" not "hurrys"
Every single English teacher I’ve had just had chills go down their spines.
by MicThaRock on Sep 21, 2009 8:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Our coverage against out routes and slants is pretty awful.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
And confused
guys running into each other, biting on cuts and falling down…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
For sure...
Our corners seem to be very easily turned the wrong way.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone remember watching Orland Scandrick get completely turned around and literally fall on his butt one play?
I think it was on a nifty Steve Smith touchdown pass.
Yes
He didn’t have a good night.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Tony Romo is not Tom Brady 2.0
As a whole, I think that Cowboys fans need to wake up and realize that Tony Romo is the not the second coming of Tom Brady. Lightning did not strike twice. We don’t have an all-time great that was miraculously discovered sitting on our bench. He’s not our diamond in the rough. Tony Romo is what he is. He’s an undrafted free agent out of Eastern Illinois. He hasn’t improved or developed as a player in the time since that first interception he threw against the Giants way back when and I think some of it just comes down to the basic fact that he doesn’t have the skill set required as much as he or the Cowboys fans would want him to.
To the people that say that the Cowboys wouldn’t be winning at all without Romo: Maybe. But even if the Cowboys had 2-3 really bad seasons instead of 2-3 almost-was seasons, at least the problems would be addressed and the organization could develop. As is, Romo is a band-aid and Tylenol for a broken arm. Eventually, you’re gonna have to get that cast.
And no, Romo isn’t the only problem. He’s just the biggest one, but they all come down to the basic fact that no one wants to talk about the elephant in the room. This team has been losing the same way since Parcells was still on the bench. Turnovers, Penalties, Bad QB Play, and a horrible secondary. It’s time to blow up the Cowboys and start again. The current team has talent, but eventually, you gotta realize talent alone doesn’t win championships and in some cases, it can’t even win a playoff game.
It is game 2 dude...
If this was the last game of the season, I would be much more inclined to agree. If you asked me a year ago, it was clear to me that we were going to make a huge run and all that got us was a 9-7 season. I know it is tough, but at least let this season run its course before we decide to blow up and build a new foundation.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Considering this isn't the finished product,
let’s let this season run its course before we go all Robespierre on our players’ and our coaches’ contracts.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, after 2 weeks, our Defense is ranked 30th
Don’t worry, I have faith in Wade that he’ll have us at 32nd by the end of next week. That’s about the most constuctive thing I can say about this team.
I would like to personally apologize to the blog. I was out of control after the game last night.
This blog is unrivaled in quality of content and the people who post here. I don’t want any part of tearing it down. Please accept my apology.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions
Accepted, we are all brothers here.
The thing that brothers do best is fight each other. The thing they do second best is beat the crap out of anyone else who picks on their brother.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
I wasn't on the blog last night......
did it really get nasty?
I had to log off after a while
Who needs more aggravation when watching a game like that???
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
it actually cheered me up a little....
i didnt think i would be able to sleep but when i came on here and saw people going off the deep end i had to chuckle a little…
I just saw on DMN that somebody even......
asked Wade if he wished that Jessica was still around? Know that’s a pretty low blow.
Dude
wasn’t it just like those lame Coors commericals?? Stupid pumkin heads asking dumb questions?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
That's just classless......
I mean to bring up Jessica to Wade?
well - look at it this way
he was probably tired of taking questions about Romo’s INTs, the D-line’s inability to get pressure on Manning and the secondary getting torched with regularity
Our defense was bad...
Tony was bad….our running game really rocked …though!!!!
The new stadium….was just awesome,never seen anything like it in my life!!!!
It had a certain Rock festival atmosphere to it,especially in the end zone plazas’,with the roof and the glass doors opened.
It was an experience that I’ll never forget as long as I live….I had a great time….I do wish our defense could have come up big in the last minute…but they didn’t.
Fans need to realize that 1) it’s just a game….2) its week 2 3) Jerry jones has just unveiled the greatest sports/entertainmet venue in the world……
Plus I feel sorry for the panthers next week!!!!
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
Thanks TrueBlue
Great perspective
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Can anyone count
the times we blew a tackle in the backfield? How many times did someone from the secondary blow right past the play or slide off of someone’s leg behind the line of scrimmage? If we are going to get to the ball carrier in the backfield, how about a good tackle next time??
I can place blame like everyone else, but the Giants had way too many yards after first contact.
I’ll leave Romo alone…for now.
"It's not by chance that I bleed Razorback Red, it's what God intended for us all!"
Completely agree. I think the long term concern with this team has to be the defense after last night.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
The other thing I worry about is Garett figuring out what the Giants were doing to complicate the passing game. The running game rocked and should have been enough to win he game.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
How many times can you think
that you get 250 yds. rushing and you still lose the game? Pretty unbelievable.
Crazy
The turnovers kept the Giants in the game no doubt, but the defense had a chance to win the game on two drives and couldn’t. This is where I worry whether the talent or depth or both are over rated.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Yeah, if I were Wade......
I’d be checking on some Def. players that are unemployed right now. I was worried last week about our Defense but a lot of people seemed to wanna focus on Romos 140 QB rating. I was afraid this would bite us and it did. It looks like Newman is a step slow or something?
Agree on Newman
He can’t seem to burst out of cuts. I wonder if he is healthy
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
if i were wade, i'd be putting my house on the market, it may take a while for it to sale in this economy
i know it’s only week two, but this is just a continuation of the play last year
Everytime you have 4 more turnovers than your opponent
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
you're right........
that’s what makes this sting even worse.
Romo and the Defense suck!!!!
Romo did well at times but he made too many mistakes. The Giants were missing 2 starters in their secondary and still sucked. I don’t understand how you can play this poor KNOWING how big this game is.
Is the question answered NOW?? Manning is soooo much better than Romo. No questions asked. I used to disagree on that but I realized last night, Manning is waaaaay better than Romo!!
The defense played very poor. They stopped the run but the secondary was HORRIBLE!!
This Defense has to improve ASAP or Coach Wade Phillips will be gone very soon!!
Juan Ramirez
we lost the turnover battle, 0-4
And still lost by 2 on a last-second FG.
I can’t help but think that if we had a takeaway or 2, we would’ve won the game.
And if “if” was 1/5, we’d have a lot of wholes. That’s how the saying goes, right?
by MicThaRock on Sep 21, 2009 9:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
there are many what if's......
what’s frustrating – and easily quantifiable/identifiable – is that Romo is still making the mental mistakes that he was making 3 years ago in his first game
Worry about the defense
That’s the trend thru the 1st two games.
and if the Queen had a ******
she would be King.
by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
If we had a defensive stop....WE WIN...LOL
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
Deep Breaths
I had a terrible night’s sleep, but let’s try not to let this boil over.
Dave’s comments are not only appropriate, they are necessary.
The values our fan base holds dear are tested not when things are going great, but when things are not going like you’d want.
We’re better than other fans, and while we should be able to voice our opinions on BTB, this is not where people should be imposing their will on others or belittling them for disagreeing.
Again, our ability to see all sides is what sets us apart from the drones in other NFL cities.
Don’t forget that!
"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yes, we must do that
You are so correct 5Blings, we hafta stick together and be better human beings than those slimes for the other teams. Maybe we oughtta emulate the British Parliament (is it still on C-SPAN on Sunday evenings?) and preface any remarks to our dear friends here with “Right Honorable Gentleman” and then go on to say you ignorant lyin bastard, you just don’t get it.
Just tryin to lighten the mood here, only kidding :)
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
This is sweet.
Last week Houston fans wanted Cowher, now its you guys turn
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.
All division games are BIG games
no question. Not playoff games but non the less they are big games. They decide who makes the playoffs, especially in this division.
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 10:09 AM CDT reply actions
+1
I take blame for part of this for unnecessarily cussing out a giants fan who I thought was being sarcastic, but obviously wasn’t. Sorry, and here’s for civility :)
After Fuentes blows a save and an Angels loss to the Indians:
"Angels still in first place" - UCI Halo
"Hey you know who would have gotten those 3 outs in the 9th?
Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
This team (most notably the defense and Romo) is hit wiith adversity early
Let’s see how they respond. This could be a good thing. Did I just say that? Yikes!
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions
i agree.....but then if you look at how last season ended...and we have essentially the same team
well – i’m hopeful…but realistic too
Hey, maybe
they’re getting December out of the way early and they’ll play like Septermber come December…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
funny......
Where’s Terry btw? He hasn’t shown up yet. This kinda reminds me of the Redskins game remember?
yeah, if he's smart he'll lay low for a bit.....
I don’t think I can handle all the Romo loving today. It’s true that teams win and lose as a team, but even he shouldn’t be able to rationalize this one.
I agree......
but it always seems to happen on the big stage in front of Legendary players and the ex-President. That’s what gets to me the most. Did anybody else see how nervous Jerry looked last night when they showed him?
What's the point of calling out Terry?
I’m a bigger jerk to him than most but I don’t get calling him out here. I’m willing to bet he’s got as much passion as anybody here for the Cowboys and his day sucks too.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be a jerk.....
it’s just that everyone is pretty much bashing Romo and I thought he would be defending him. I’m sorry.
hey we're cool........
what I meant earlier about the Redskins game was remember how we lost that game and the media was all over the Boys? That’s what I meant.
reality bites at times
Hey, Eli was like Romo, what happened? He had a light go on. Where’s Romo’s light? I somewhat kid Romo, I’m not sure if it’ll ever happen for Romo. I hope it does, I like the guy. This team is talented but needs to play more consistently better. That is coached.
by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions
well after this 5 win season is over i hope the Cowboys will go after a QB
because Romo is NOT the guy, he has been terrible in big games especially the last 2 seasons, he is a flash in the pan. this loss was on him and some bad bounces, case closed.
Larry Parrish Was Da Man!
Please stop bashing Romo
He’s a quarterback, not a miracle worker. He works hard, recognizes his mistakes, and will work to improve. He said he will improve and I’m gonna take him at his word. He even got rid of Jessica for Tex.
Next week, the week after, the week after that, maybe we will have more to hang our hat onto as far as Tony Romo goes. He isn’t God or superman, or even Tom Brady. He is Tony Romo, THE quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys, like it or not and the only quarterback we got right now to put our hopes and dreams into.
I wish all you ducks would stop your incessant quacking, it’s getting on my nerves. I’m so glad that none of you are God. I’d be going to hell for sure, no doubt about it.
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been as critical as anyone about Romo
But to think he’s going to be replaced anytime soon isn’t realistic. When he’s good, he’s as good as anybody in the NFL. That’s not hyperbole.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
the part that gets me the most.......
even with all of Romo’s bone headed plays last night, if the defense had just played that last series, we would all be happy today. The Romo lovers would be out in force saying how he pulled another one out and everything would be rosy. The only thing positive that I can pull out of this is hopefully Romo is learning, that more times than not, the Buffalo miracles just don’t happen. Early in his career, he was able to pull off miracle games but you can’t keep sustaining that and win.
Especially when
the reason a miracle is required is from a stupid gift mistake to the opponent.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Part of our problem too is the inability to take the gifts that the Giants tried to give us...
Eli throws it right to Spencer and I understand that it isn’t the easiest catch, but that is a play that has to be made. The Giants get a holding on their last drive, but we then give up a 15 yard pass to let them get back in favorable position. The things that the Giants used to kill us could have worked equally well for us and we just didn’t make it happen.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I noticed something
And this may have been pointed out before or maybe I’m way off base, but it seems like none of your guys have a “nose” for the football. The Giants got unbelievably lucky, but there was always one of their guys around the football. I’ve noticed a trend the last couple of years that our guys are never around when those lucky breaks can fall our way. Offense and Defense. I find it hard to believe that we have not forced a turnover and don’t have a single sack. Scandrick and Romo both need their butts kicked for their incredibly terrible play last night.
the problem with this team the last TWO games is the lack of focus
and sloppy play. this team has underachieved two games in a row. This was supposed to be a the new “tough” wade. Apparently, someone has forgotten to coach the players. Same mistakes and sloppy play, team wide, as last year. I believe teams take on the personality of their head coach. And ours is soft, just like his team.
I don't think you can put all this on Wade......
a large percentage of these players, played for Parcells. As Parcells used to say, Stupid Players make stupid plays. Kinda have to agree. I’m not rationalizing for Wade, cause it is on him as well as the players, but these guys keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
I'm sorry coaching+philosophy changes just stunt your growth,
the teams that win or have the chance to win don’t keep rotating coach’s or philosophies.In our division alone the Eagles,Giants have been together longer than Dallas+Washington and it shows in their consistency. The Eagle’s win games with less talent than anybody,The Giants win by adding young players with Vets but none of it works if you change constantly. Washington drafts Cambell and every year he has to learn a new system or HC, he’ll never take the next step. Romo and the defense would start over,maybe we get lucky,maybe we get worse.
bummed out also
hi all, i live here in Giant country and man do i have to hear it this week..
at the beginning of the season, reastically, what would you call a ‘BIG’ game??
1) any playoff game – includes the SB
2) any game during the regular season that is like a playoff game (win and ‘IN’ type games, like last years finale vs. Philly)
3) any division home game
4) any division game
5) any conference game
6) any other game
i.e. we can lose a game to an AFC opponent and it’s not near as bad as losing to a division opponent…
stack on top of this that the Giants are early favorites as one of the better teams in the NFC and NFL for that matter, and this WAS A BIG GAME…
Romo has not proven he can win a ‘BIG’ game and until he wins a few, or a bunch, that is the way it is…. not just for him but for anyone….
simple as that…
Romo has a 4-2, 3-3 record in the division so that is 7 division wins home and away together. Taking home field
advantage against GB in dallas in 07 and keeping it for the remainder of the year; those are all big games by your and my definition.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I'd like to apologize.
I lost my cool last night on this board and definitly made an unappropriate comment. Beer and seeing some ranting made me lose my temper.
BUT, I do think for all of you that think this season is over and have no hope that our current QB situation will be any better this year, you should just wait until he’s gone.
Why go to a movie, if you know it’s going to suck, and then gripe about it later?
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 4:30 PM CDT reply actions
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And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply ...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 21, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
no because you don’t gripe about skinamax Aaron, come on I’m being serious!!!!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
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