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The Dallas Cowboys: Maddeningly Frustrating

Oh man, what could have been.

This morning, our Dallas Cowboys could be 2-0, sitting atop of the NFC East, and we'd be feeling pretty dang good about our chances this year. It would've been ideal; opening the new stadium with a win against a hated NFC rival. It could've been. But that means diddly-squat in the NFL. It's all about W's and L's, and the Cowboys ended with a big, fat, stinkin' L.

Now, don't drag the razor blades out just yet. Come on back off that ledge and leave the pigeons alone. Without going all cliché on you, it's only two weeks in the books. There is a lot of football yet to be played. And...I know this might sound crazy...but as mad as I am about the loss, and believe me, I'm plenty mad, I am not that down about this team, yet. Allow me to continue...

Star-divide

The Cowboys just lost on a last-second FG against one of the favored teams in the NFL to be contenders, and we played far from our best game. In fact, being a minus four in the turnover column should have doomed us to a severe beating. Yet we were right there and could have won that thing. I wonder how many teams have won games being on the wrong side of four turnovers (including one that was a pick-six)?

Now this is the part where I say, I'm not crazy. I can see this team needs a lot of work. Start with #9 and work from there. All summer, I had three things in mind that needed to happen for Dallas to contend for the title. One of them happened, two of them didn't. They were: Romo needs to be more careful with the ball, the defense needs to start getting turnovers (just being the sack leaders last year wasn't enough), and the offensive line needs to be dominant again after a shaky 2008. Well, I got the last one.

There's no sugar-coating this, Romo was the #1 culprit in the loss last night. He still hasn't learned that the most precious commodity on the football field is the ball. I'm not going to go into all the specifics of his play last night, but I will generalize this: Romo is the QB for this year, so you might as well get used to that fact. I still have faith he can lead us to the big-time, but nights like last night are tests to that faith, and I don't know how many more tests I can take. Shape up, Romo.

Our defense has taken a step backwards instead of forwards from last year. Not only are we still failing to get turnovers, and just imagine how just one turnover by our defense could've turned last night's game, but they are no longer getting to the QB. DeMarcus Ware and company have gone silent in that department. And our secondary can't cover, can't tackle, can't...let's just leave it at they can't. We are not going to be winners this year unless that gets corrected fast. Now, I will give credit where credit is due, in the redzone the defense is stout. We've made the opposing O's kick a lot of FGs. But between the 20's, that's a different story. Like last night, when all the Giants needed was a FG, and our defense handed it right to them. Shape up, Wade and defensive players.

So given that, how could anyone in their right mind not be totally losing it with this bunch? Because we basically outplayed the Giants most of the night. Turn the turnover argument on its head and you get - The Cowboys were right there to win a game even though they were minus four in turnover margin giving away somewhere between 13 and 20 points, depending on how you score it. In the first half, we were killing the Giants everywhere except where it counts, on the scoreboard. The Giants vaunted defensive line wasn't even touching Romo, and we were blowing open massive holes for our running game. Our defense totally shut down their run game in the first half. A game is 60 minutes long, not 30, so there are no excuses, in the second half the defense started to give way in a big way, so that's a problem.

But it shouldn't even have come down to that. If Romo and Felix Jones weren't busy keeping the Giants in the game, we would've walked into halftime with a healthy lead (based on how the teams were playing without the miscues) and then we could've hammered them with the running game in the second half. Instead, we saw what happen.

Resting objective analysis on such a soft foundation like - If only Romo would take care of the ball, Dallas would be a force this year - is risky business. We've been saying that about Romo for years. Still, if you still hold any faith in #9, and believe that he can control his turnover demons, this team is formidable. We just put up 31 points on the Giants defense, supposedly one of the better in the league, and we did that while turning the ball over four times. Seriously, that's quite an accomplishment. Our running game has been really good, the offensive line looks great (except for Flo losing his mind a couple of times), and this offense will score points. The defense has got to get better, I know, and I think they will, I mean, they have to start getting sacks at some point, and hopefully start getting some turnovers. The redzone D is great, so that's a big plus in the NFL. Even with our defense playing like it did, the Cowboys were that close to winning.

This isn't Pollyanna propaganda, I recognize this team has a couple of huge problems it's got to fix. And there's no guarantee that they will be able to do that. That's why they play the games, to find out. Still, given the bitter taste left after last night's debacle, I'm surprisingly optimistic that this club can get it together. It's only week two, we're 1-1 and our schedule is soft by NFL standards over the next month or so. This team could get itself well in a hurry and by week seven or eight, we could be looking at this thing in a much better light.

The Cowboys season is far from over, as long as #9 gets a grip.

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Expectations are low

I expect mediocrity from this bunch; anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7. Our QB continues to make mistakes and our defense is downright pathetic.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

You guys will be fine

I still think you are play-off bound.

by brisulph on Sep 21, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions  

thx. good to hear. need a little of that around here after last night

wish we were in the NFC Worst West … playoffs would be alot more plausible then
not that it isnt, but lots of work to be done and we are usually known for being better early

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by fuji1232 on Sep 21, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Playoffs?!?!?

They’ll probably get swept by the Giants and Eagles, and split with Washington. That’s 5 losses right there. Add losses to the Saints, Chiefs/Broncos, and Chargers and we’re looking at an 8-8 team.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

well

chargers are playing way worse than we are and theoretically should be able to handle chiefs and broncos

i understand where you are going though. we definitely implode on the winnable ones :(

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by fuji1232 on Sep 21, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering that this team hasn't been swept by the Eagles or Giants in some years

I don’t see that happening this year. And the Chiefs and the Broncos should be easy wins. I still see 10-6 as what this team ends up at.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Its a good thing we lost

because if Romo had pulled this one out, Wade would have blown sunshine up everyone’s azz and they would not be focusing on the problems.

I hope Romo feels terrible and that this loss burns him to the core – maybe he will remember the feeling the next time he considers launching a wounded duck into double coverage.

For the secondary, I have to question the coaching. No matter who plays back there, it is like the keystone cops, bumping into eachother and pointing fingers while no-name recievers ring up career days. Can anyone get them on the same page?

The O-line and RBs are beasts and if they can keep that up, Romo can stop trying to be a hero and just manage the game.

In the end, Grizz is right – we gave this game away to the NFC favorites and even though we lost a division game, its not like we got 48 hung on us like the Eagles.

Everyone on the ledge, settle down. A lot of good teams lost yesterday including New England, Pittsburg, Tenn. and the chargers. The loss won’t kill us but they have to react strongly.

by Billito on Sep 21, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Man, that is a great first point. In the long run, it might be better that they didn’t win this one. I think Romo, Wade, and the rest of the team have had too many games where they overcame the mistakes and pulled out the victory, which makes them think the mistakes are not a big deal. Maybe after the way that last season ended and then this type of loss this early, it will be a huge wake up call for them.

One thing with the defense, and I made this point much early on in the offseason, is that we have 5 new starters, a new nickel LB, and new backup linebackers, and not much talented depth. I don’t think any of our current defensive backups on the depth chart, excluding Scandrick (who I don’t count as a backup) will ever be a starter for this team. I keep hearing that Hamlin and Williams will be, but they are not playing right now, so we’ll see with them. Anyway, it will probably be midseason before this defense starts coming together. They have hardly played together and don’t have the talent to makeup for it.

One area where I think Dallas is hurting in the secondary is that when they traded Henry, they lost their guy that was used to cover the bigger receivers. Say what you will about him, but he could tackle.

I hate to belabor the point, but when does it become time to work on some fundamental tackling drills?

It all boils down to Romo, though. When he plays poorly, the Cowboys almost always lose. As long as his QB rating is at least 72, which is by no means good, they almost always win.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bake Potato....

well said and I agree. Enough with the miracle comebacks etc. Play sound football and then you don’t have to pull a rabbit out of the hat. What especially stings about this game is the Giants were without Tuck, Aaron Ross, and Canty too.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

and we had a healthy OL, imagine when they start hurting

we threw a game we should’ve won and boneheaded Romo is culpable, just ask Terry

by dcfanz on Sep 21, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

well said.....
Enough with the miracle comebacks etc. Play sound football and then you don’t have to pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Wash is an idiot!!

by b.pate on Sep 21, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what

I was one of those guys who thought (just not out loud) that we were fine with no tackling during training camp, to avoid injuries. But there’s literally no other reason for what we saw on Sunday than their ‘rustiness’ in terms of live tackling.

by Joon on Sep 22, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Romo doesn't get his stuff together

Checkdown McGee could be breathing down his neck in one or two years.

by quincyyyyy on Sep 21, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Not based off this preseason...

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

First couple games and he looked hesitant at best. Not saying he can’t be good someday, but I don’t see a situation like that emerging for at least two more years.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

true.....

cause we woulda won this one right?

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not likely

How does a team play when they know the QB won’t/can’t go downfield?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

what I meant.....

was if he had just kept on running the ball instead of passing it like the last interception, we would have won. Does that work every time? No, but in this instance I believe it would have. We were driving and keeping their gassed defense on the field. By that play alone, it turned the mpmentum around.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly think Romo seemed confused

a good part f the time. Like the Giants were taking away something he was looking for. I know they were sliding a LB to the side the blitz came from to take away that hot route, but probably other adjustments as well.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that too

Maybe they’ve taken a page out of the Belicheck playbook

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a great tactic

but they’ll have to adjust or they’ll see it 14 more times…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess man, but over the span of a season there is no way McGee

could come close to what Romo does.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks man...

You clearly are a very classy fan and that is much appreciated. I also happen to agree with a lot of what you said. I hope you guys get healthy because seeing a team lose its edge to injuries is really quite depressing.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kitna is more than functional

He could do everything Romo did last night – even that QB draw – but likely wouldn’t have been STUPID enough to try to force that last throw to Hurd.

What we really need out of Kitna is his knowledge and conveying it to Tweetle Dumb that the WORST thing you can do as a quarterback is thrown an interception. Kitna has been in the league a long time, and yes he’s not exactly Steve Young in terms of QB rating, but he’s a smart journeyman who lives on smarts, not athleticism.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 21, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

you dont think that if Kitna was in the game that the Giants would have taken

a COMPLETELY different approach defensively??

maybe the reason we were gashing them with the run was because they were respecting Romo’s improvisational skills and passing…

i’m not making excuses – i’m just saying that you cant say “well we put kitna in and there are no picks and we win”….its not that easy

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The man's career TD-INT is 152-151

And in the past 4 years (not including this season) he’s never thrown more TD’s than INT’s. I don’t know that he’s the best teacher in not throwing picks.

by Joon on Sep 22, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

With all the hoopla

Romo must’ve thought it was a playoff game. He had that lost puppy on the freeway look again.

When are we going to be able to defend against the pass?

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Sep 21, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

It does kinda make you wonder if........

somebody gets in Romo’s head in big games doesn’t it?

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah what if he reads our blog?

Maybe we should all eat poppies and blow sunshine up his *ss

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

if you count these as big games

then go back and look at recent seasons and you will see that Romo has won a bunch of these regular season games that are labeled as “big games”

by sduncan24 on Sep 21, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah...

So Romo won those games? And, because in years past some games were won, last night’s S Show doesn’t count?

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all

that is not even close to what I was saying, and I think that was a reach trying to imply that. The statement I responded to said someone gets into Romo’s head in big games, my point is that he does win big games. He lost this one, and played very poorly in it, but he does win big games. You can conveniently forget that if you’d like, but it is the case.

by sduncan24 on Sep 21, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grizz I am in the prove it standpoint with this team, playoffs are not in my vocabulary for this team until they win

a game that tests them like winning a div game on the road or against a good team. I will still follow this team, and hope they can come through but I cannot trust this team (coaches and players) until they show it on th field I have to hold back my expecetations.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Sep 21, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

None of this answers the fundamental questions

Are we a good team with some serious flaws or simply an average team ?

The 7th Rule of "Fight Club": Fights will go on as long as they have to.

by tdships on Sep 21, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions  

IMO, we're just an average team

with average coaches. We’re just good enough to lose.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Groundhog day...

We’re a very talented team who takes too many stupid penalties and has a talented QB who sometimes makes very poor decisions. How is this any different than last year?

by Boundforbeach on Sep 21, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

On D,

Ware is elite, Ratliff not elite but next tier.

Maybe James and Igor are better than most, but our D could be called the JAG squad.

The WRs are weak. Williams looks utterly replaceable and he is the best of the lot.

by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 21, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rat looks pretty elite to me

Outside of maybe Haloti Ngata, I can’t think of a better NT in the game right now.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 21, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be

there are so few NTs that elite NTs are a small class.

Of course it all depends on definitions – I consider elite to be very very lofty. He would be in the conversation.

by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 21, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely the quickest NT

And I believe I read in the Maple Street Press issue this year that he has the strongest two-handed punch in the game, though I don’t know how that’s measured.

by Joon on Sep 22, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Romo has improved...

at least in the post-game pressers where he now gives the appearance that his bad play is really eating him up.

But your overall point is right on. Romo is our guy this year, for good or bad. There is nothing to do but accept it and hope he makes better decisions. All this nonsensical talk about benching is emotional bunk.

by Boundforbeach on Sep 21, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

True

Romo’s not going anywhere. Unfortunately, we’ll have to continue to take the good, bad and the really, really ugly.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think this year is his last chance to prove himself.

Jerry is a businessman, and he has made some clear business decisions about his key young vice president, Tony Romo. By taking away all of his excuses, whether it’s TO, skill position talent, OL talent, or what have you, Jerry has set up a situation where he can clearly and definitively evaluate whether Romo has what it takes or not.

The uncapped year is coming up, and if Romo does not get a playoff victory this year, I predict he gets traded or cut. I hope that I don’t find out if I am right or not, though.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't that be up to the new coach?

If the pokes don’t make the playoffs, you gotta think Wade is gone. If the new coach thinks his play can be addressed, it’s likely he stays. Pro Bowl QB’s don’t grow on trees. The only question is whether Coach Jerry makes that decision or allows the new coach to do so. All of this is academic, however. The season is still young. Let’s not give up.

by Boundforbeach on Sep 21, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree somewhat but.......

ya gotta admit-that part about Pro Bowl QB’s is a little slanted. IMO, the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest. Can you honestly say that he deserved to be in the Pro Bowl after only playing a partial season? I don’t think so.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have to take the good with the bad

We’ve always known that about Romo. Nothing’s changed. Talk about McGee is a joke. Romo will bounce back monday night

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

You really don't, actually.

Are you saying that Romo is incapable of playing well on a consistent basis? Because when I see that you have to take the good with the bad with Romo, that’s what that says to me. That the poster is saying that Romo will never be any better than he is now, and that something in his genetics, whether intelligence, concentration, arm strength, or whatever, prevents him from protecting the ball. I don’t buy that, but it could be true, I suppose.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying he is a gunslinger by nature

He’s going to make mistakes. That’s what happend with him from one week to the next. He had the most passing yards in his career last week. This week…you know

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

then lets get a new QB

one who is a machine like Troy Aikman. A guy who doesn’t throw it high or behind, and does the play call

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good idea

Do you know where another Aikman is? We need to sign him immediately. Aikman didn’t call plays BTW

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aikman had some howler games

Watch some tape or check out his stats post-1996. He was hardly a machine in his career. I love the guy, but let’s not romanticize him too much.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 21, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

We need an on target guy for us to compete for Super Bowls

we all know we didn’t win any after the 1995 season. I’m not ready to throw out Romo yet but it is maddening

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

he was also concussed about 7 times.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo had a broken finger and bad ribs last year, and that

was shot down here as an excuse for his performances. Aikman (and I love the guy) had some clunkers, just like all QBs, and they weren’t all because of concussions.

by Fernie67 on Sep 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok then, as soon as Romo wins 3 SB, he can get a pass on injuries.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many of his long passes last week went as far in the air as the Hurd interception? I think his career game was over rated, and was more a case of taking advantage of a horrible team that has a new coach.

I thought the whole point of this offseason was taking what the defense gave you and letting your guys and the scheme make plays. For example, the pass that Austin caught and then went another 10 yards or so with. They have some talent on offense, but they have to protect the ball. If he can’t control his impulses, then he will never be a championship QB. If that’s the bad that you have to take with the good, it’s time to get rid of him.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought

they spent too much time within ten yards. Didn’t throw deep enough

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you really think that the coaches on this team make the personnel decisions?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

You don't think this last draft was based on who WP wanted?

That’s a little naive. He, unfortunately, does have a say but to what degree is the question

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn’t you just make the same point as me? Of course he has input, but when it comes down to it, Jerry makes the personnel decisions. That was true when Parcells was here, too. And will still be true for whoever the next coach is.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Wade is fired and Shanhan is the new coach, Romo stays

Shanahan is a Romo fan

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Sep 21, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no idea if he could, but he is big on discipline.

He is a ROmo fan, and he and jerry are friendly. If the Cowboys crap the bed this season, I could se the coaching stafff being cleaned out, including Garrett

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Sep 21, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are aware that just 3 short years ago Bill Parcells was our coach, correct?

The ultimate discipline coach? The coach perhaps more famous than any in history for being tough on his players?

Coaches cannot change player DNA. Many of the players on this current team struggle with consistency, penalties, etc. That’s the way they are. The veterans are not going to change dramatically at this point in their careers. If you want significantly different results, you have to field a significantly different roster.

Not trying to be gloomy, I just don’t think the much-ballyhooed “discipline” is going to fix everything here.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 21, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are right – we’ve tried it hard, we’ve tried it soft. at some point we have to start putting INTELLIGENT players in this locker room. eye popping talent potential doesn’t WIN the game. you PLAY to WIN the GAME.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think a different QB coach

could be a small change that makes a large difference.

by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 21, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now, that I agree with........

I’ve been saying for months that they need to get rid of Wade Wilson. He doesn’t show me much.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would love to see him try

I would very much like to see Shanahan in Dallas with Romo as his QB. When Romo is good, he is VERY good. If anyone could ever harness him, I would take him over almost any QB in the NFL.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't see that happening

Jerry is definitely a businessman but he’s awfully stubborn (as we’ve seen with him not getting rid of Wade last year).

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that Wade wasn’t fired for the same reason. If you’ll notice, this year he brought in a bunch of Wade type guys and all of the distraction players are gone. Jerry is giving him the same opportunity as Romo. Then, if he needs to clean house, he can clean the entire house, not just a piece at a time.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could be.

But, that’s gonna be one big broom unless things completely turn around. It’s looking like Wade being the head coach and defensive coordinater was a terrible move… cuz unless this defense gets fixed, it’s going to be a very long year.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

It might be time to assign a DC

Just to free Wade up some. That’s a lot on one guy. What’s Romeo Crennel up to besides big pimping in the Coors Light commercials?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol...

Wade just looks goofy on the sideline and calls the occasional blitz

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I seriously don't think there is a quarterback in this league

that I would rather have than Tony Romo. I think he’s the best physical specimen out there, and just needs to get his brain in tune with his ablilities. He even said something about his brain last night.

 Look, eventually everyone gets better at something they do over and over and over. He is a hard worker, we all have no dispute with that, right? I don’t think he’s stupid, and I don’t think he plays with just pure emotion and not his intellect. It seems that some fans here question his ability to change any bad habits or game up is mental acuity. I’m not there with that notion and maybe I’m wrong, but I’m not tossing him out with yesterday’s newspapers on the garbage heap just yet. There sure is a lot of overreacting going on here imho.

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think everyone can change, for better or worse.

And I’m by no means saying that we should cut Romo or that he can’t change. But I do wonder at what point he will start showing improvement. And I think that’s why there are so many questions about him; he hasn’t really improved any from 2006. Some people change, some don’t. This is his 7th year in the league, and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to wonder if this is as good as he gets. Or to wonder if we wait 6 more years based on his talent, or move on. Like I said, hopefully the question is moot, and he shows improvement by the end of this year.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody you’d rather have than Romo? That’s a serious ‘child please.’

Romo: you are what you are.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

We can agree on that

I for one know how hard it is to break bad habits, it’s tough becuz it’s like it becomes reaction, not a thinking mode at all. But in my mind, Tony is not a reacting player, look at Jason Campbell to see that. And, he doesn’t act like there’s some sort of force field around him that will keep everbody out of his face while he finds somebody down field.

On that note, I don’t know about you, but Tony had TONS of freaking time back there yesterday, it was breathtaking to me. You know what? I think he’s stubborn, maybe that isn’t a “habit” thing that makes him do those things. He’s too optimistic, like “I just know I can do this, I believe” He believes there’s no reason any of his mates won’t come through, that he can’t somehow will this play to happen.

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't agree at all
Look, eventually everyone gets better at something they do over and over and over.

Some of the most talented people I’ve ever worked with have been utter failures because they could not be disciplined and do routine things like administrative work. Some people just can’t seem to get it. I don’t think there’s any gurantee at all that Tony Romo will.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not

Somebody was sayin that they liked his new hang dog attitude, maybe it’s for real. If it is a fear of failure (loss) is a great motivator and just maybe he’ll “get it” pretty soon. Everybody always complained about Brett Favre but he got his SB. Since he joined the Purple Team, people now rag on him for just only managing the game and handing off to AP.

I can’t even begin to see any rhyme or reason to the way folks think anymore. If Tony starts being a great game manager folks won’t like that either.

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said all the right things after the game

and I did notice him cheering the defense on during the last drive. A lot of good that did, but still good to see Romo getting more active on the sidelines.

Flo’s two penalties so far have negated 16 and 36 yard plays (both Crayton’s), not mention the penalty yards (15 and 6). That’s 73 yards in two games!

by DavidH22 on Sep 21, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but saying the right things after a game

doesnt cut it for me. It’s the mental part that I have a problem with right now.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am concerned...

Dave, you make some good points but we can’t overlook the Giants weaknesses, either.

First, the Giants’ running game wasn’t very good against Washington. Second, the injury list for the Giants defense is about 6 guys deep, and four of those are either start or have a healthy split-time in games. Third, the Giants haven’t been good in the red zone for years.

I wouldn’t say the Cowboys dominated in the first half. I just did not see that. Nor the second half. I’m not saying the ‘Boys won’t contend for the playoffs but like a lot of teams, the dust is still clearing on where this team stacks up.

In Reese We Trust

by jmark82 on Sep 21, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

Everyone’s defense has a good game against the Giants in the redzone. That’s not a reflection of our defense’s play, good or bad

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

+2

This was our game to win, and every divisional game is CRITICAL.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 21, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

+3

And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply ...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 21, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why all the over dramatizing....

I know it was the first home game of the season and the team amde an adundance of mistakes, but with all that went wrong, they still were one play away from winning a game in which they played horribly. I don’t get why people are talking like the season is over after week 2 and 1 loss. I mean seriously, get a grip people. It’s week 2. We lost to the media favorite winners of the NFC East and NFC representatives in the Super Bowl by 2 points on a last second field goal after turning the ball over 4 times and playing horrible pass defense….Now if we had got blown out then I would be worried but overall I am not. They have got to get the secondary fixed, Romo will be fine. Let’s just hope Barber isn’t out for any extended period of time.

by bigkat74 on Sep 21, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

what?

these are patterns. If you aren’t concerned about patterns then I don’t know how you can have a discussion here. Romo is out there freelancing and yukking it up and having a great time and throwing PICK SIX AFTER PICK SIX. Newman is awful. Scandrick and Jenkins are raw and suck at the moment. Ware and Spencer are less than Ware and Ellis for some reason. These are PATTERNS, bro. You need to look at the forest, not just the tree in front of your nose.
It’s not dramatic to identify shortcomings. It’s sensible.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't exaggerate much do you?

Pick six after pick six? Yucking it up? I have it on DVR. I’ll let you know, but I’m not optimisitc I’m going to find your version.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will you do me a favor?

Chart how many times they run with 2 or more backs in the game vs. pass, and how many times they pass with only 1 RB vs. run. Please count the 3 TE set as 2 back.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will if I can

I’m interested int aht as well.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

I didn’t mean exactly, I was blinded by the “patterns” part. I didn’t see Romo yukking it up and there was only 1 pick 6.

I wholeheartedly agree with the “patterns” part and would take it one further. The pattern of Cowboy underachievement is to play pretty well, get everybody really excited and then leave a steaming hot pile of doo doo in critical and big games. It’s maddening.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we had won

All you’d hear was that Romo overcame his inner demons, led the team down the field to win the game, Brady-like, and that the Boys were the best in the world.

I’m a Romo supporter, I’ll admit. He was much to blame for the loss. But there were 21 other guys out there, and almost 21 of them were screwing up at one point or another.

How Bout Them Cowboys!

by sprprsnmn on Sep 21, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep...

I just hope the team doesn’t follow them because honestly just like you can’t get too happy about TB, you can’t get too down about losing to NY. Just gotta see the mistakes and adjust rather than ranting and raving.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

human nature.....

things are never as good as they seem nor are they as bad as they seem…..

the truth is somewhere in the middle…..

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Romo turned the ball over three times

Romo is culprit numero uno. Nobody else screwed up as much as Romo.

by quincyyyyy on Sep 21, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Relative to their position,

i would say that Hamlin and Scandrick screwed up pretty royally too. Not saying Romo isn’t to blame, but the blanket statements being made are ridiculous.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

No turning the ball over is much worse

Scandrick and Hamlin screwed up a lot. But Romo’s mistakes were much worse.

by quincyyyyy on Sep 21, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I said relative to their position...

But yes, I would agree that Romo’s mistakes were bigger. Still though, if the defense does its job, we win this game. We win as a team and we lose as a team. We don’t lose as Romo and win as a team.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

romos fault

For sure, I am tired of hearing ppl talking about getting rid of him. He had a bad day, and the other options will only have us “more” miserable, cause it aint pretty folks.

From the naked eye, I thought Newman had an absolutely horrible game. I was glad brooking knocked his wind out, that’s what happens when you close your eyes when you tackle.

Overall, a few bad days by a few good players killed an outstanding rushing attack, and hopefully will build some character, for the good.

by TONYINCC on Sep 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Newman did stink

Why would you think this would somehow build character? Did that happen after the Stl loss last year? How about after the Philadelphia surrender? The Pitts or Balt loss? This group doesn’t seem to build on anything. They just repeat the same pattern of looking like super bowl caliber one week then stinking the place up in big games.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

So three turnovers by the quarterback

and one turnover by Felix Jones isn’t at all a big deal as the play as Scandrick and Hamlin. Here’s why it is a big deal, those four turnovers cost this team four offensive series in a game, that’s huge!!!!!

by Deke on Sep 21, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I simply meant that if you were to take a list of each player's responsibilities

at their position, that Scandrick’s and Hamlin’s would be as free of check marks as Tony’s. Now of course, Tony plays QB so his mistakes are going to be magnified, but like I said above, we win as a team and we lose as a team. We don’t lose as Tony and win as the Dallas Cowboys.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

This loss is completely on Romo

He doesn’t turn the ball over, the cowboys wins, end of story.

The turnovers caused the defense to remain on the field for three more series when they didn’t have too. The other was returned for a TD.

The defense is one of thee most expensive, highly drafted and highly over rated unit I’ve ever seen. They never make a big stop when they need too.

Yes, there is plenty of blame to go around, but when your quarterback makes the same game changing mistakes and poor decisions in big games, the loss is on him.

by Deke on Sep 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

The absence of a pass rush, the failure to stop the Giants’ final drives, those were championship efforts? Deke you’re usually more perceptive.

Romo probably has the majority of blame, but holy cow the defense blew chucks last night.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except in the red zone

And by the end of the game, they were gassed. There was no question that they were going to get the field goal. The only hope I had was that the Giants would choke.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

That first FG attempt

touched the freakin upright.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

In retrospect

Can you imagine the shame if the ball had clanked off the upright for a miss AND the time-out was called?

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

I thought about waht a fitting thing that would be. Thankfully we were spared that one final bitter turn of events.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tony Dungy made a great point about the TO right before a kick

He said he never likes to let the kicker get in a practice kick. He calls it before the snap.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

or better yet, we could abandon the whole idiotic ‘icing the kicker’ mentality. i bet kickers miss more field goals when they aren’t given a time out beforehand.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate that too

just let the dude kick and move on.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easily

Can’t say who screwed up in pass rush, but they did nothing at all last night. Free pass though, because Romo is more fun to talk about.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree on your first point.

You would have heard that Romo still makes too many mistakes and bad decisions, which has been the knock on him since he became a starter. It wouldn’t have been as bad as it is today, but the same questions about him would still be there, we would just be happier while asking them.

The secondary was awful and there was no pass rush. That was a horrible time for Felix to fumble. But the fact remains, when Romo simply doesn’t play poorly, this team wins about 85% of the time. When he has a QB rating below 72, they lose about 85% of the time.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

another thing that bother me......

is when you have ex-coaches like Dungy saying more or less that the blueprint to beating the Cowboys is to force Romo into turn-overs. I don’t think a good QB wants to really have that kind of reputation do they?

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thinks that's a blueprint on any quarterback, even Brady....

but what bothers me the most is that it didn’t appear that he was forced into those bonehead throws… he did those all on his own.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

The O line

must want to hang Romo. They gave him all he needed and then some.

Terry told me that with good o-line play Romo would play much better.

by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 21, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

he seemed to be misreading the field.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick note on Garrett and Romo

I don’t even want to go into how disappointed I am in Romo’s performance last night. But the fact that he was having a stinker was evident to anyone watching the game, and it was pretty clear by halftime. At the same time, it was clear that we could run the ball down their throat.

Yet SOMEHOW, Romo kept getting to throw the ball over and over again leading to numerous 3-and-outs.

I wrote a fanpost after the Iggles loss asking for Romo to be leashed when necessary. Yesterday was the perfect opportunity to rein him in when he was in one of his funks. It seems everyone but Garrett was able to recognize that we should be pounding the rock, and Romo should not have been chucking it.

Aargh, for all his great gameplanning yesterday, Garrett was too obstinate to take control from Romo and run the ball.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 11:26 AM CDT reply actions  

I think that the problem with that is Romo always starts out slow, so they probably thought they needed to just give him some more passes to work his way out of it. Look at the Tampa game when he was struggling early, and then hit some big passes later. The difference is that the Giants are better.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

the big question for me is

why does he start out slow? You would think that by now he could get in a groove earlier wouldn’t ya? They used to say that he would be really hyper at the beginning of games and then settle down. Here we are 3 years later saying the same things. Why?

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is who he is

And to comment on your point, he seems to need the nervous energy before settling down.

Okay, so if you can accept, then you really have to be disappointed that no OC has been able to work out a way to let him start slow yet keep the offense productive.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Garrett really has to know better

C’mon, as OC and QB, Garrett and Romo should be better able to recognize the nuances in each other’s performance and behavior.

Sometimes when Romo is off, he is just off. Perhaps you and I can spot a few clues from the telly, but Garrett should be able to tell.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

being "off"

is totally unacceptable. In fact, it’s a ludicrous notion. He only has to do one thing 16x a year. And he has 4 hours to perform for each of those 16×.
He’s either able to do as he’s told, or he’s not. He’s a professional athlete, not a weekend softball player. Pitchers in baseball can be “off.” There is a bullpen of other pitchers ready to go in, and there are more than 150 games.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hilarious

every QB is off. Every athlete has off days. Ever see Tiger Woods miss the cut? It actually happened!

Where did you get this stuff?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree.....

and to be quite truthful, he was off in the TB game in the first half but he got away with it partly because people overlooked it because of the big plays and his 140QB rating. Hopefully, this loss will make him/Garrett focus more on fundamentals and not get so caught up in the “big play” that overshadows his deficienies.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

One way to fix Romo is the bench

Romo can’t go on thinking he’s the coolest dude to ever wear a cap backwards forever. Next time he throws a pick that is solely a bad decision and then compounds it with another…….Take a seat.

Wade and Jerry have to concede that accountability is not only necessary for the role model on the team but the supposed team leader as well.

by Rottie on Sep 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

because that would have been the best thing to do 2 years ago in Buffalo after he threw pick number 4 or 5 right?

by sduncan24 on Sep 21, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

29% Passer Rating

Let’s add the opening of Cowboys Stadium to the list… closing out Texas Stadium, the Philadelphia Phlop, Cancungate, and the Seattle Slip.

In three short years, this un-drafted signal caller has brought more heartbreak to the franchise than any player in memory. Is Romo a Giant mole left stashed inside the Ranch by the Parcells regime? More likely, the best quarterback never to win a playoff game is just unintelligent and folds under any sort of pressure like origami.

A pick six, a floater pic in the red zone, and a 29% passer rating. Wow. Romo hasn’t made any progress, and with his limited ceiling and advanced age, he is who he is… A mediocre quarterback in a league and a town where good isn’t good enough.

by Montecito Tex on Sep 21, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Parcells left him behind alright

But not for that reason. Sometimes divorce is inevitable when all of the person’s great qualities are overshadowed by one big flaw in their person that cannot be changed. I think Big Bill recognized that and got out early. Leaving Romo’s penchant for breaking hearts to a coach with a younger, stronger heart.

by Rottie on Sep 21, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

the town and us fans are going to have to settle for mediocre. I don’t see it changing anytime soon.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

They all owe you an apology Tex.

You were right about the Fraud all along.
I’ll apologize for them. Sorry Montecito.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the laugh

I needed one about now.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo and/or Phillips must go

Tex says you can’t have a soft quarterback who has never won a playoff game AND a soft coach who has never won a playoff game. Time to bring in a dog or two who can hunt.

PS: Newman and Flozell are two over paid, under achieving cancers who continually piss in the punch. A coach with some bite wouldn’t allow the same mistakes by these two to happen over, and over, and over again.

by Montecito Tex on Sep 21, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Flo

Does more well than he does poorly. Newman is an enigma, that’s for certain.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're the

guy at work who likes to complain without coming up with solutions. Let’s make a list of QBs that have won a playoff game and got get one of them. Let’s go get a new LT since they grow on trees. But I agree with you re: Wade.

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Newman is in danger of being over-rated

Agree that Flo still is a plus, but the timing of his penalties is maddening.

Anyone note the writeup on NFL.com stated, ’ D Ware did not finish the game because of injury?’

The 7th Rule of "Fight Club": Fights will go on as long as they have to.

by tdships on Sep 21, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually, I think he relies on his speed too much

and has poor technique. That’s why he plays the ball so badly.

He can get away with it against lesser QB’s, but he gets burned way too much.

The 7th Rule of "Fight Club": Fights will go on as long as they have to.

by tdships on Sep 21, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that

but couldn’t find anything else about an injury nor do I remember him being injured in the game.

by staubachfan on Sep 21, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's face it......this team has 2 problems....

Guts and brains!!!! These are the plays I simply cannot understand…

1. On his first INT, Romo sees the Giants audible their deffensive play, you can clearly tell we had no idea what we were doing and the Giants realized the play was going right when they saw our receiver on the left completely lost about the call before the snap (I bleieve in was Hurd)…..dude….call time out….is it really that gard?

2. On his third Interception, why the hell are we calling a bomb to our 4th when we are:
a. Killing them with our running game.
b. Up by 4 points late in the 3rd qtr and driving.
c. Our QB on a day off. Wasn’t it obvious after the 1st and 2nd picks he was not having his best night? Dont put the guy ina position to fail. Romo sucked but Garret didnt help the case either.

3. Our DB’s were playinbg their worst football ever. I have never liked Newman but yesterday it was just ridiculous what the guy did. How do you solve that? Put pressure man!!! send 6 and 7 and get the QB. You can’t give Eli that much team to tear you apart. Wasn’t it obvious he was gonna get it done at the end? ridiculous….look at Brady’s stats vs the Jets when they rushed 6 or more…I believe he was loike 6 of 26 and 19 of 23 when they rushed less than 6.

Penalties by Newman or any other in the secondary and the supidest lineman that ever lived is just a different story….the fact that we cannot solve those issue, tells me we’re too stupid in the coaching / front office or that we simply do not care.

Thank you Dallas Cowboys for another week in missery. I wish I could hate you….

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Next week if I'm the headcoach

Romo, you are to run the play that’s called, no checking off what is called, I don’t care what the defense is showing, if they have nine in the box and we have a running play called, you run it. All I hear is this is one of thee most talented teams in the league and one of thee biggest offensive lines, impose your will, this team doesn’t do that enough. The cowboys of the ninties had four running plays, and they ran it regardless how many were in the box or what defense was called.

For all the Romo’s talk during the offseason and training camp about taking what the defense gives him and taking care of the football, I saw the same mistake prone quarterback I’ve seen the last three years. He talks the talk, but doesn’t walk the walk. He’ll probably play well enough for the next five games, since our scehdule is pretty weak, and everyone will start forgetting this performance, and when the next big game on the schedule comes up, he’ll revert back to what we saw last night…

I said I’d give him the first four games of this season to show that’s he’s a quarterback that’s learned from his mistakes and take care of the football, but clearly watching last nights game, he clearly hasn’t learned, he looks exactly like the same player that failed down the stretch last year. You can’t still say he’s a young quarterback still learning his craft, he’s been here seven years. His poor play can’t be called an aberration, it’s the norm, his good games are an aberration.

by Deke on Sep 21, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

The biggest run plays

came from Romo chcecking off at the line. I think you’re having an off day, Deke. Did you notice how many times Romo called “Kill. Kill. Omaha”? SOme of those runs resulted in the TD drive in the last 6 minutes,

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude stop

you’re killing me with the jokes. Really. Too, too much.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never thought I'd be so ready to see someone else at QB

there is no one else but Romo really stunk it up. Throwing behind, forcing balls.

Games like that Buffalo game gave me some tolerance for bone headed mistakes but I can’t take it anymore. Dallas was humiliated by Baltimore at the close of Texas Stadium and now Romo just embarrassed himself.

If he keeps throwing the ball 2 feet behind his recievers we’ll never win a Super Bowl

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

serriously

he always throws behind his receivers on crossing routes. It has been that way for as long as I can remember.

by quincyyyyy on Sep 21, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

might as well now

maybe he’ll suck this year but it should help his development. Romo never learns.

Now I’m being half serious, but my patience with Romo is waning.

by quincyyyyy on Sep 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

never win a super bowl??!!

HA! You think that hot garbage is going to make the playoffs out of the NFC East? Jason Campbell is laughing at Romo.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kyle Orton

just flicked a booger at Terry.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where is Terry?

I’m tired of sticking up for Romo with all these knee jerk reactions. Need some help please. Y’all loved Romo last week

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

didn't they though

I have never seen such a turn around in 1 week. I hope they all jump off the ledge.

This lose may have been good for us, it should keep the team grounded. A win here could have caused some swollen heads.

by sduncan24 on Sep 21, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

did i say that?

Because i’m nearly positive I didn’t. Our QB played like a children’s party clown yesterday… why wouldn’t he be laughed at?

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Taking a close game too hard

When the next week’s power rankings come out, the Giants will be No. 1 in the NFL. and for 59:56 you were the better team on the scoreboard, and matched up almost exactly: Our passing game for your running, the failure of the vice-versas. The only difference in the game was the turnovers, and every QB has his bad days. Romo’s a fine quarterback, he just needs to win a playoff game or 4 and he’ll be accepted by the fans. I wanted Eli shot when he threw 4 picks to the vikings a few years ago.
Convincingly — no question about it — Dallas is better than the Eggles. Based on last night’s game, they should move UP in the power rankings They’re a top-10 team in the League right now. Just a few things to shore up.
Good luck until Dec. 6. — and p.s. your BtB visitors have been an absolute class act at BBV, before AND after the game.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 21, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for a Refreshing perspective

Because I am just raw from this one. Wasted opportunity compounded by glaring flaws make for a hard week until we get a chance at redemption

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by tdships on Sep 21, 2009 11:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Who knew that

with the addition of Sensabaugh, coverage would get WORSE? Hamlin, Scandrick and Newman look putrid. New Orleans is going to throw for 1,000 yards and 12 TDs vs those bums.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Ken Hamlin..

I think he is thoroughly overrated…i don’t see how he can be the captain of our secondary…the guy looks absolutely lost in coverages…takes bad angles at tackles….we need to find a better Starting Safety than him

by thejanusman on Sep 21, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I thought he stunk last season, but decided to give him a pass because of all the injuries in the secondary. Now I think my guy reaction was right. He played hard for a new contract and then went on cruise control.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo watched too much Brett Farve growing up

He is playing just like him. Hot and cold, throwing A LOT of INT’s. Except for one thing, Brett took his team into the post season and the Superbowl many times.

by torchindefenses on Sep 21, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Wade Not For Long

I"ve got two words for you “Bill -Cower”

by boondog on Sep 21, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Bill Cowher isn't coming here

He’ll either end up in Carolina or Jacksonville next year.

We don’t have the offensive line for the offense that Shannahan likes to run.

Best bet is Mike Holmgren.

Wade Philips should of been let go after the Eagles game. This is a lost year

by Deke on Sep 21, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wonder if...

There’ll be a Romo mic’d up vid from last night.

That would be must-see TV.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

What would it sound like?

“Uh… duhhhh…. derrrr…. Eeny meeny miney mo… I’ll just throw to that general area. Oh gosh, oh darn. Why that fella in the blue caught it and ran it back to the end zone. Is that bad? I sure like cupcakes. These shoes are tight.”

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

How stupid is Jason Garrett?

Dumbest OC in football. Wow, what a choke job by him…

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

how do you figure?

His offense had the lead with like 4 mins in the game.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

because he gets to pass happy

does it all the time, did it last year, and is doing it again this year…we got great RBs, keep pounding the rock…

especially when you know that romo doesn’t have it. You’re averaging almost 9 a carry with a crappy QB performance, you keep running…

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait....

Wasn’t it 31 – 30 with under 4 in the game? Didn’t JG and Romo do their job? Why couldn’t the defense get a stop? I turned the TV off and and erased the recording, but what happened on the last drive of the game? Did JG make any bad calls? Did Romo throw another INT?

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

it shoudln't even have been that close

if JG kept the ball on the ground. It’s not that hard. The reason they scored so easily to go up by 1 is by running the ball…

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

JG was fine last night

I have no problem with the game he called last night. The deep ball was a good call, because he went for the jugular. Problem was, the Gints Def Coordinator called the right D. Our QB could’ve tossed the ball out of reach of everyone, checked down, or forced the throw, period.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Romo was matured and worked on all those "out of reach,

checked down…" options all off season, somebody covering the cowboys must have lied

by dcfanz on Sep 21, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

he has

He worked it all out in the offseason. There was a memo about this.

by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 21, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

So the Offense

didn’t make it easy on the Defense so the Offense is at fault for having only a 1 point lead with under 4 mintues to go. Not sure I’m following the logic.

The team didn’t play well yesterday that included mistakes by the QB, RB, OT, LBs, CB, and Safety. That sound like a team loss to me.

by staubachfan on Sep 21, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you really want to figure out why they lost

you’d be correct to look at everything. If you really just want to find a single guy to hang it on or play the same old tune, then you don’t.

In addition to Romo’s big problems, the defense was terrible. But you’ll find 90% of the comments here are only about the QB. That’s Oprah vs Xsand Os. Sad, but it happens.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to figure out why they lost

But if I was, just because 90% of the comments are about the QB doesn’t mean they are true.

by staubachfan on Sep 22, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know

I was agreeing with you.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Got It

At least the team doesn’t seem to be placing all the blame on Romo. That’s encouraging.

by staubachfan on Sep 22, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone here is saying this was either Romo's or the D's fault.

This was a great team effort!!! they colectively sucked!!!!!!………The RB’s and O-line had a good game, but the WR’s, QB’s, TE’s, Deffense, Special teams and coaches sucked….absolutely sucked. No excuses.

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I really think the Buck Stops at the QB

I realize people make mistakes but Romo really percipitated this loss

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo is more fun to talk about

even though the defense was awful, you won’t hear it here. This is all the guys who don’t like Romo pulling out the knives.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The D showed up, shut down the run

and didn’t give up TDs in the red zone. Thats what we needed from them

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

And maybe a 4th quarter stop or two

They were awful against the pass. And that’s how they won.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

And maybe a stop with under 4 minutes to go in the game.

by staubachfan on Sep 21, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep, that's for sure........

a lot of guys always like to say that Romo’s a better QB than Eli but I don’t think you can say that after last night’s game.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

One Game

Doesn’t change my mind about Romo.

by staubachfan on Sep 22, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

We rushed for 251 yards!!

Good Lord!! How much running do you want???

Garrett called an excellent game. He was not the one who threw the picks.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 21, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or gave up pass after pass after pass

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

simple.....

that stupid bomb to our 4th WR when you’re in the lead, running all over them and your QB is having a terrible day…..terrible call….absolutely horrible and stupid.

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

he’s the number 1 culprit here, not Romo

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

makes no sense

JG didn’t throw any interceptions and he didn’t miss any wide open receivers last night. Also, if you’re going to blame JG for putting 31 points up on the board you better blame Phillips for allowing the Giants to put up 33.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said.....

Collective effort to suck in all areas.

But they had a short field 3 times because of the turnovers. And if your QB is off and you’re averaging 6 yards a carry and you decide to throw a bomb….then you’re stupid…….why do you defend him so much? Isn’t it obvious that that was as bad a call as it was excecuted as well?.

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

One option

Do we really think that Sam Hurd was the only option on that play? I’m sure we had at least two receivers going out and for what ever reason, Romo opted to throw to Hurd. I don’t believe in blaming coaches, because they don’t play the game. The fact that Demarcus Ware and Wade Phillips have the same amount of sacks is troubling to me.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

so you are saying coaching doesn’t matter? that’s interesting…

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying that...

If i call a play, and the guy isn’t open, why the hell are you throwing it?

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Do you think Garrett called for a 50 yard interception? Uh… i think the play wasn’t executed quite as how it was called.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting question

someone better check the playbook cuz Romo sure does seem to execute that 50 yard interception route extremely well.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

ummm

YOU DON"T GIVE HIM THAT OPTION!

it’s not that hard. You got the best and biggest Olines, just run the ball.

By the way, JG’s running offense is not utilized that well anyways…with his finesse type running with draws and delays…

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

for the 999,999,999,999th time

Did the horrible Off Coordinator and QB not have the lead with 4 mins left in the game?

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude

I get it, but we weren’t playing the Bengals. The Giants are a good team. hell, I understand we should’ve been up more, but if our D gets a stop the mood is different on this board, right?

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

i would still be saying we should have been running the ball

i say this about running the ball all the time…it’s frustrating to see pass happy garrett calling plays like this…

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guess you don't understand...

Football is a chess match between coordinatoors, and each coordinator plays tendencies based on field position, personel, etc. Case and point: Wade calls the perfect safety blitz on first down and Hamlin runs into the backfield like a manic and totally misses the running back. Coaches call plays and players must execute.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

correct......

and what we’re saying is….a bad play was called and it was also horribly excecuted. No one here is saying that was only Garret’s fault. It was bad call and a terrible excecution. They both get the blame….you want to blame it all on Romo go ahead…..start asking for Kitna (you’ll realize how bad oir O-line really is pretty quick too).

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree...

Tony still had the option to throw the ball away or check down. If someone still has the game, please check to see how may receivers went out.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are kidding,

checking down is not an option for Romo, its not enough that the whole offseason ppl were talking about, now you keep bringing it out again

by dcfanz on Sep 21, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is my last try with you.....

You’re averaging 8.7 yards per carry at that point and you have the lead. You just scored on a drive calling all runs….there were no passes on that drive…….do you still call that play and leave it up to Romo (whpo’s not having a good day) to make the call of a checkdown???….please try to notice that I am deffending Romo on the play. It was as mush his fault as it was the coordinator.

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am NOT deffending Romo I meant to say.

I like Tony Romo as our QB and wouldn’t trade him for anyone but yesterday was just annoying. But I wouldn’t have put him on a position to make that play at that point in the game after what I saw in the first 3 qrts.

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're 100% right

you keep running, yeah, you just run, run, run… then you turn on your PC, open a browser, go to BTB and cry about how JG was too conservative.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK..then let's say you're 100% right....

Garret is the best OC in the league……..why the hell didn’t he take Romo out of the game and put Kitna in then?

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

and by the way....if he runs on 1st down and he gets 2 yards then yes....call a screen to felix,, a completion to witten.....

but a 50 yarder to Hurd (not williams, not austin, not Crayton, but your 4th WR!!!!!!) you simply cannot deffend him nor the qb on the call bro….

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

ManTab

This is why we are missing each other… I coach defense, I live defense, and my cousin was the Cowboys secondary coach (Todd Bowles)… We can post about Romo and JG until our fingers hurt, but I refuse to put the blame on those two guys when our D made Manning, Manningham, and Smith look like Montana, Rice, and Taylor… Wade and Ware have the same amount of sacks, Newman looked horrible, Scandrick was abused, and our safties didn’t show up. So, while everyone is ripping JG and Romo, I’ll continue to ask our D to stand up!!!

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

todd "loose" bowles

presided over a much worse secondary than what we have now…sorry – but its true

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.....

But I have never posted here that I liked how our deffense played. As a matter of fact, I have been complaining about our CBs not turning their heads for the ball when the receiver do for years!!!!!……..

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also

We all thought the Giants would pound the ball down our throats and Kevin Gilbride did a wonderful job of throwing early. More importantly, Elmo executed, unlike Romo. We had a chance for two picks, but Jenkins and James squandered the chances while the Gints took advantage of their opps

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do not despair, the Cowboys show real promise and have the talent ...

… to go far this season. Yes, Romo’s turnovers are a problem, and the pass defense could be better, but Dallas still stacks up well against its division rivals and, indeed, most of the league.

Look at it this way. Compared to my favorite team, the lowly Cleveland Browns, or my hometown team, the Washington Redskins (that I do not root for, BTW), the Cowboys are at least sure to have a winning record this season. I even think you will probably make it deep into the playoffs. Why? Your offense scores points and you still have a solid defense in many respects. With a little tweaking here and there, Romo & Co. will be just fine. And now that you don’t have the distraction of T.O. to worry about, there is the potential for real chemistry to start taking effect. As the Steelers seem to know, football is often more about players trusting each other and never giving up than it is about stars out for individual glory.

With Philly reeling from the injury to McNabb, and Washington’s offense basically brain-dead and on life support, the Cowboys are still in pretty good shape in the NFC East.

by Philimus on Sep 21, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Promise = Potential = You Haven't Done Squat

I agree with what you’re saying, but I’m tired of a hyper-talented, underachieving team. Remember Parcell’s first season in Dallas? They had ZERO expectations and played better than last year’s team, who was so vastly more talented they shouldn’t have even been considered in the same leagues.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 21, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are right about results being the most important thing ...

… and I can definitely understand your frustration when your team doesn’t play up to its potential. But isn’t that largely a matter for the coach and the offensive/defensive coordinators to address? And on that point, I can see more cause for concern because there’s a real open question as to whether Wade Phillips is up to the job.

As over-rated a coach as I think he is, one thing I have to give to Bill Belichik is that he absolutely demands wins on the field and will not tolerate failure. As a long-suffering Browns fan, I miss that kind of leadership. The last time Cleveland had it was with Shottenheimer, and even he could never do more than get a team into the playoffs. Winning the big game at the division championship level was more than he could handle.

by Philimus on Sep 21, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big Game Tony

5 Big Game Blunders, when will it stop? Was this Bernie Madoff really as good as billed or was he selling us a bill of goods? were we so eager to have a starting QB under the age of 30 who could throw and look pretty? Were we just so tried of Vinny, Drew, Chad and Quincy? If anybody still believes in this fraud after last night, I’ve got a good investor I’d like you to meet.

Let’s all remember my campaign a couple of years ago. “Flo must go” and “Don’t resign T New”. But here they are still making foolish penalties and getting burned deep.
That was money well spent. Just listen to the Captain next time.

By the way were’s the Romo love today Terry?

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Did you blog the same message after last week's game?

Of course those games don’t count because he played well. I got Romo’s back until Terry arrives

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

why should he have? this mediocre team only plays like crap on average every other week.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Third INT

Who was he throwing it to?

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Hurd was overthrown by 5 yards

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phillips

The Giants’ safety. For once last night, he hit his target right in the hands.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phillips camped under the thing

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Collinsworth said the same thing LOL

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Warrior - you are so right

that ill-advised pass looked just like a punt.

McBriar would have been proud if that was his ball on 4th down.

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Terry Has Romo's back...

literally :)

I’m talking big games here my friend, not last week.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Define a "big game"

That’s too subjective. You can define what a big game is to suit your opinion. That loss was on Romo, no question. When he has a good game against the Panthers I’ll see a whole new group of bloggers knee-jerk Romo-loving just like all of you are knee-jerk Romo-hating. You can set your clock to it.

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not hating

I just want to know why he threw that third INT

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not responding to you

He threw the third int because he didn’t read the coverage correctly and didn’t see Phillips

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

That’s not why he threw it. He threw it because he’s a gunslinger who takes chances.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

that is why he threw it. That’s what Collinsworth saw at the time and it’s what Romo fessed up to after the game.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He just heaved it

if he weren’t covered it wouldn’t have been caught. it’s another instance of romo having no checks in place before he acts. = Gunslinger. You can parse the Xs and Os and ‘prove’ me wrong all day long. You know the reason he yuks it up out there is because he’s undisciplined and can’t control his big play jones.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

So he missed

and that proves your point? Alrighty.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo's

INT proves my point, funnyman.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

+5

Perhaps Tony needs to attend QB 101: Pre Snap Reads

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

He said he screwed up by not acocunting for the safety and finding him

they’ll be extracting the pound of flesh at noon if anyone wants to watch.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, as long as he said he screwed up. The only improvement he has made the past couple of years is how to apologize better.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought that was an excellent point he made

He said he needed to find the safety. It’s not like it’s OK to just not see him, he is supposed to look until he finds him. He did admit that after the game.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

It doesn’t make the mistake any better, just different.

I guess I am interested in why things happen, not in finding someone to be angy with. That’s just an emotional exercise. What’s enjoyable about football for me is figuring out why things happen – scheme, error, defense, etc.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

the big question for me though.......

will he learn from that mistake? Not trying to be negative, but shouldn’t he have learned this against Ed Reed? When I have a problem with guys is when they keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Not saying Romo will, but he has to learn not to do this.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

But in the het of the moment, I guess he reverts to instinct. Sometimes it’s brilliant and sometimes it’s horrendous.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

When will we all give up on Romo?

If this whole community can collectively agree that he doesn’t have or will ever get what it takes it might makes it’s way to the Cowboys front office. But guys that keep where the Romo covered glasses will only delay this process. He needs to go.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly

Were you a fan of the Cowboys when we went thru 6 or 7 of them post-Aikman. Not easy to find good QBs. Ask Washington

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

the thing with him,

is that he SHOULDN"T be the leader of the team. He needs to be a soldier, doing what he’s told. He’s not the guy who should be operating without strict parameters. If he’s within himself, he’s perfectly fine. If he thinks he needs to put the team on his shoulders and make plays, the Cowboys are screwed. This dude needs it simpler.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes since Jan 12, 1978....my friend

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK my friend

Then you should know how hard it is to find a good one

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets roll with Kitna

 Better than Romo.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

child please....

we’ll see how long you would be happy with Kitna….

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

How many times do you need to keep putting your hand on the stove?

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

repeatedly.....or until a better alternative comes along

and seeing what we have on the sideline and where our drafting position has been the last few years he is still the best option at this time…..

or we could have traded romo and 2 first rd picks to denver for cutler….would you be happy then?

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that happened

only Romo has bad games. Proven fact.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhh

Forgot. You’re right, those were 4 picks that the TEs and WRS were responsible for

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they're trying to make their point by using Cutler as a comparison, it's not the smartest comparator

Cutler is pretty much acknowledged to be a knuckledhead with a load of talent. If that’s the highest level of decision making Romo will ever get to, I say cut the losses now and move on.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can Michael Jackson's Dr. stop by and check on Romo?

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

dude, that's pretty morbid

And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply ...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 21, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

-1

Captain Jackass

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

+105,000!

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo will be fine

We will win a SB with him. But, we need competent coaches around him…we don’t have that. We have a rookie OC who’s not that great of a QB coach…

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garrett's not a rookie and neither is Romo

I’m not giving up on this season but last week vs Tampa Romo’s passes were behind his WRs and this week it was the same. This week those turned in to INTs

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry got what he wanted....

Over 105k in the stands…. showing off his new baby, celebs in the stands, camera on him 50% of the time… who cares if there was a game being played.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 12:32 PM CDT reply actions  

well

105,000 people aren’t going to pay $300 to see Quincy Carter every week.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Felix did awesome

Save the fumble on the KO return

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

well in that case....

Romo ran for a TD and threw a ver good pass to Witten for another one…..

Im not gonna give them credit for their good play on 90% of their plays, when they screw up and the rest cost us the game.

We can’t afford turnovers on Offense and ST. Specially because our deffense can’t get us the ball back.

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was midly surprised

that he got caught from behind.

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was it jsut me or

did Felix look gassed by the end of the game?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

his quad could still be bothering him from last week...

i dont know…but when he split the defence i thought for sure it was a TD…to get caught from behind by 2 defenders didnt seem right to me…its not like darrell green was running him down either

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah and

there was a kick off return where he didn’t quite explode into the gap like he had earlier.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

i have to think that with the heat and humidity that he was cramping/dehydrated

barber pulled up lame on his run too….

i’m wondering if the roof is closed next week – assuming same weather…

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The weather wasn't that bad

It wasn’t that hot and training camp should have prepared them, If they aren’t I will come unglued. The high yesterday was 88

by cow_fanatic on Sep 21, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

But they said at game time it was 87 on the field and very humid

Probably should have closed the dome.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

and that's another one that bothers me.....

We leave the roof open after we played a tough game in Tampa and we end up with our deffense gassed, our best WR with cramps and Barber hurting…..where the hell is the brain on this organization?

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo took a dump on my soul with his inexcusable and absurdly bad performance.

Also I’m starting to think this non-existant pass defense could give up 300 yards to Brad stinking Johnson.

by MadMick on Sep 21, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't worry Celtics basketball starts in 6 weeks!

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Will KG be ok?

Cowboys fan since 1978.. I was 3 years old

by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had bone spurs removed...

Still rehabbing

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by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's good. He'll be ready.

Don’t know why they just didn’t admit it last year before the NBA playoffs.

If the Cowboys could only play like a team with passion and unity like my beloved
Boston Celtics, I would be happy.

by Captain Comeback on Sep 21, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone thought it was an ACL

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by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone Needs To Find Terry's Address

I think we need to bond together as a battered community and put him on suicide watch.

Seriously, where is he?

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 21, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Prolly nursing a hangover

If not, it’s possible that he might be like, uh, working? A job?

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is sulking

He always disappears after a bad performance from Romo. Give him a few days, he’ll be back with his absolutist spiel in no time.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wag of the finger...for #94

Time after time, I saw him get held up at initial contact and then give up on the play. Meanwhile, Mannning still had another second or two to make his reads.

WTF Demarcus?!

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

tip o'the cap to

Kyle Kosier and the TEs. They were outstanding. Shame everyone else let their efforts go to waste.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my concern

Read this paragraph, from Dave’s excellent post (which I agree with whole-heartedly, by the way):

“We just put up 31 points on the Giants defense, supposedly one of the better in the league, and we did that while turning the ball over four times. Seriously, that’s quite an accomplishment. Our running game has been really good, the offensive line looks great (except for Flo losing his mind a couple of times), and this offense will score points. The defense has got to get better, I know, and I think they will, I mean, they have to start getting sacks at some point, and hopefully start getting some turnovers. The redzone D is great, so that’s a big plus in the NFL. Even with our defense playing like it did, the Cowboys were that close to winning.”

Okay. Now is that not a paragraph that could have been written almost word for word after last year’s Week 2 MNF Cowboys/Eagles game? There would only be one notable difference: we actually WON last year’s game. So the situation was not seen as nearly as dire. But the building blocks of the paragraph were there: Good OL performance. Solid run game. Defense that performed well in a few situations (red zone this year; 2nd half last year). Us trying to smooth over some of the wrinkles of a defense that had given up a lot of points.

This team’s 3-4 year historical trend is to regress as the season goes on, not improve. Last year, we had some warts in the early going and wrote posts very much like the one above and reasoned that “Well, this and this part of the team are good, and now we just need to improve these other areas.” But in reality, the problem areas remained problems, the aspects of the team that were strong early on did not stay quite as strong, and the season ended in a very disappointing way.

I agree that it’s very early in this season. My concern is that we do not have 2 weeks of history to judge this team on— we have about 3.5 years. Or at least 2+, if you confine it to the Wade era (although Wade’s teams and Parcells’ teams bear some similiarities, IMO).

And the mistakes that I saw last night— defense that could not maintain consistency; Romo careless with the ball; pass rush that vanished at important moments; negative turnover ratio— are mistakes that we’ve seen pop up on a pretty regular basis over the past 2+ seasons.

So that’s my concern. That last night we saw problems pop up that we hoped had been fixed, problems that have doomed us a few years in a row now and don’t seem to be gone. And that the positive elements in Dave’s post, which I agree are all true, were pulled out of last year’s early games in exactly the same way, and were actually even MORE positive for that 2008 team. And look at how that season turned out.

My hope is that this team finds the ability to improve as the season goes on, rather than crumbling as has been their wont. We’ve seen it happen in small areas— last year’s defense improved as the year went on (at least through Week 16), for instance— but this group of players and coaches haven’t been able to do it as a whole at any time in their tenure.

Soooooo…yeah, I guess I’m worried and a little sad.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 21, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Are our expectations just too high to begin with..?

I blame the 13-3 season. Take that one season away and this team is 9-7 in ’05, 9-7 in ‘06, 9-7 in ‘08, and 1-1 so far this season. That spells average to me. I’m just not so sure about this team being very a talented bunch that underperforms anymore. Maybe they just aren’t really all that talented. Or else they are just very poorly coached which is what I’m leaning towards. Perhaps it’s both? Either way we’ll find out over the next few months.

The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.

by gee-roj on Sep 21, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team’s 3-4 year historical trend is to regress as the season goes on, not improve.

That is what worries me

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Sep 21, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Might as well lower the bar now and relax

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 21, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worst Secondary?

Have spent the whole night ( until 5am ) here in Scotland watching the game Our Secondary cannot cover or tackle.I played Rugby from the age of 7 and Coaches always tell you the opponnent cannot run if you take him by the legs.Too many of our players want to go for the big hit instead of the wrapping up the player. Unless we sort this out it is going to be a long season

by scotsman55 on Sep 21, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Newman made some tackles..

Whiffed on others

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by Mullin on Sep 21, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dejected

I have been on the Romo bandwagon since before he started, but after yesterday, I am wondering if we have only an average and not an elite quarterback. He talks a good game about turnovers, but he hasn’t followed through. Now, I will never know what it is to face Tuck or Umenyiora bearing down on me and I have a tenth of a second to decide what to do – but, he is a professional qb and you expect better.

I read somewhere that he hasn’t had 2 consecutive turnover free games. Given that statistic, until see 3-4 games without a turnover, you have to wonder if yesterday’s mea culpa was only words.

by Cowboyforever on Sep 21, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Obviously we’ve got to see how he responds, and he’ll be judged on his total body of work this season.

And games where you’re just off, like last night, will happen to every QB. It’s miserable and infuriating and it happens to him too much, but there’s no point in harping on it. He’ll get a chance to do better next week.

I just wish he didn’t seem to start off every game a bit off on his passing. He doesn’t seem to really get a feel for his accuracy until the second quarter or later in a lot of games. First noticed it after he dinged his thumb in late 2007. It’s very strange.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 21, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest this team reminds me a lot of the Patriots…

…during the Pete Carroll years. They always had solid and talented that would win some games but would always underperform when it counted most. Carroll was the coach in New England for 3 seasons, taking over for a squad that Parcells had built (sound familiar). Those Patriot teams always flirted with the playoffs but never seriously threatened to be a Super Bowl contender. Carroll at the end of his 3rd disappointing season and was replaced Belechik. Two years later New England was winning the 1st of 3 super bowls.

I’m not suggesting that Dallas will turn out the same way but it is eerily familiar. When I look at this Cowboys team over the past few seasons they just look like a poorly coached team to me. I had some hope coming into this season because of Wade focusing more intently on the defense but after two games my hope is dwindling.
Two games does not a season make but if things continue like this team will finish 8-8 or worse. If that happens the Cowboys are guaranteed a coaching change and maybe in the long run that’s not such a bad thing.

The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.

by gee-roj on Sep 21, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Not Dejected Yet

I think Romo has still got it to be an elite QB. What i cannot understand was why the majority of the plays were called on the sidelines and we could hardly get anyone open.Why could we not get anyone open on the slant or over the middle.

by scotsman55 on Sep 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anyone know if the Jumbotron

caught Jerry picking his nose?

I know my jaw dropped when I saw that.

Note to Jerry: After the other team scores, the cameras love to show your dejected look. Man, NBC struck gold with that shot.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Just in case it makes anyone feel better...

Tom Brady still has more 4 INT games than Tony.

Brady’s worst career games:

2003 9/7/2003 @ BUF L 0-31 14-28, 123 yards, 0 TDs, 4 INTs, 22.5
2006 11/5/2006 IND L 20-27 20-35, 201 yards, 0 TDs, 4 INTs, 34.0
2005 11/27/2005 @ KAN L 16-26 22-40, 248 yards, 1 TD, 4 INTs, 42.5
2002 10/13/2002 GNB L 10-28 22-44, 183 yards, 1 TD, 3 INTs, 44.0
2002 12/16/2002 @ TEN L 7-24 14-29, 134 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 47.2
2007 12/16/2007 NYJ W 20-10 14-27, 140 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 51.5
2009 9/20/2009 @ NYJ L 9-16 23-47, 216 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 53.1
2001 10/28/2001 @ DEN L 20-31 25-38, 203 yards, 2 TDs, 4 INTs
2004 12/20/2004 @MIA L 28-29 18-29, 171, 3 TDs, 4 INTs

(Worth noting that half of Brady’s worst performances also come in December. Like Tony’s.)

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 21, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

so….? we’d rather have Romo? what is the point?

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That even good QBs throw a howler out there every so often, I guess?

No real point, just thought it might help mitigate some of the “Out with Romo!” fervor.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 21, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

well..points for trying anyway.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a good point of course

but not for anyone alread in the “fantasy football dump Tony now mode”.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

We get it.....

you think Romo had a great game, he deserves none of the blame and no one else is entitled to their opinion. Gotcha.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Try reading what I've said.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are those the only two options?

bench Romo or he played perfectly? You’re on a sad rewind of the same post, over and over. Like a bad mix tape. So am I by now.

But since you took the time to respond to me, here’s a summary of what I’ve said:
Romo had a bad game
He’s a good QB and benching him would be ridiculous
The defense had a bad game in pass rush and defense
They’ll bounce back, but I’m worried about the pass rush because that’s twice in a row for no QB pressure

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

dating back to 2001

wasn’t Romo still in high school then?

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 21, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Brady has more other things than Romo, too.

Like playoff wins, Super Bowl Rings, Super Bowl MVPs, and league MVPs. When Romo gets any of those, let’s compare what he does to what Tom Brady does.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

and we won’t even compare tastes in women… :-)

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would those matter?

The point is that along the way even excellent QBs like Tom Brady will have stinkers. Why would we wait to discuss that? Why not withhold judgment on Romo until his career is over? Then you’ll know how it turns out instead of speculating.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's all about THEIR taste in him...

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

The same reason it matters whether Tom Brady had a bad game.

It doesn’t, in either case. Using Brady, Favre, Staubach, and Aikman as excuses or validation for Romo’s horrible game is beyond ridiculous. Romo is not a Super Bowl or league MVP like all of those guys, so he neither gets nor deserves the benefit of the doubt that those players get. The second that he wins one, he will get the same respect and trust that those players earned.

I like Romo. I like Romo a LOT. But to continually say that it is okay for him to have these types of games because great quarterbacks have too, that’s just silly. Only 27 quarterbacks have EVER won a Super Bowl, and that’s out of hundreds that have played in the past 43 years.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's completely without logic

These aren’t excuses or validations. Who validates a bad game? It’s simply pointing out that all QBs have bad games. You brought up SB rings as if they excuse any subsequent or previous bad games.How was that germaine? Does the best QB in the game have bad games? Yes. Why is this one throwing “fans” into a hyperventilating fit? I can’t begin to tell you.

All QBs have bad games. And so when Romo has a bad one, people should attempt to put it in perspective – he wasn’t the only one to have a bad game this week, and won’t be the last. If he has too many, he’’ll be a back-up and then out of the NFL. If he doesn’t, he’ll QB on.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

All QBs don't play for this team.

It’s meaningless to say what other QBs do, especially QBs that have accomplished what Brady has. Should we also point out that Drew Bledsoe, Quincy Carter, and Ryan Leaf had 4 INT games? There are a lot more bad QBs that have done it than the 27 that have won Super Bowls.

Saying, “Oh, well Brady did it,” is absolutely trying to validate or excuse Romo’s poor play. Otherwise, why bring it up? And when Romo does the other things that Brady has done, I’ll accept that validation.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess you'd rather not understand me

which is fine.

I’ll try one more time and then I’ll be sure that you’re miscontruing my argument intentionally.

1. It doesn’t validate or excuse anything. Romo had a really bad game and was largely responsible for the team’s loss. No excuses, no validation,

2. The hysteria I’m reading that he needs to be benched right away, sucks, can’t QB in the league, etc are over the top. All QBs have bad games and fortunately franchises are smarter than fans because they don’t bench them, cut them or take out a contract out on them when they have a bad game. I bring up guys like Brady because they have more good games than bad, just as Romo has had over his short career. Bringing up rings or no rings is irrelevant tothat point. So I’ll use Brees, Cutler, Pennington and Hasselbeck. All are starters and none is being replaced this week.

3. If Romo begins to have more bad games than the franchise thinks another QB would have, they’ll replace him. If they think that this is not a common occurence, he will continue to start. If he follows his pattern to date, he’ll play better again this season.

What part of that is an excuse or validation? It’s a commentary on extreme over-reaction by some to a bad performance. It’s commentary on having some perspective.

You have a tendency to re-interpret people’s commentary to set up a strawman argument. But you’re arguing with yourself. I’ve not said anything about excusing or validating. Sure, I’d like to understand why Romo played that way because for me that’s more interesting and important than trying to make pronouncements about his perosonality, parentage,attitude or sleep habits. I’m just not interested in finding someone to be angry at because of a football failure.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

How is it a strawman argument?

What part of the original post did I misrepresent? Or yours for that matter? Tom Brady is being held up as someone else who makes mistakes. As if to say because he did it too, we should calm down that Romo did it. Is that incorrect? You are using what Brady has done to back your point that people are overreacting about Romo, right? To validate it?

Okay, so I answered with, while Tom Brady also had bad games, he has built up a reputation, surplus of good will, and benefit of the doubt due to his accomplishments, while Romo has not. What Tom Brady, or any other QB has done, has no bearing on Romo. Singling out one of the best QBs ever out of all of the hundreds of QBs that have thrown 4 interceptions is meaningless. It is similar to me saying that we should bench him since Ryan Leaf also threw 4 INTs in a game. Because Romo is as much Ryan Leaf as he is Tom Brady, which is not at all. An attempt is being made to use Brady’s reputation to cover for Romo, is it not? Otherwise, why even introduce him to the conversation?

So, tell me how I misrepresented your argument or set up a straw man argument. You are attempting to justify Romo’s poor play by pointing out a significantly more accomplished player that have also played poorly, aren’t you?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or, I was putting your perspective in perspective.

Further, I just reread your last paragraph, and I have made zero pronouncements about any of those things, either. Does that mean that you have made the straw man argument?

People think that this team is ready to contend for a Super Bowl title, and that Romo is not capable of leading them there. That’s what I’m gathering from the posts on this board. So pointing out other QBs that have also not led their teams to SB titles would not help the argument that they are wrong to feel that way.

There’s a reason that Brady was the QB first cited as also making mistakes and not Brees, Cutler, Pennington, and Hasselbeck, and we both know it. It’s because using those guys as perspective, although they are clearly better perspective for Romo than Brady at this point, would have zero impact, since they are not more highly regarded than Romo. And they should not be, since like Romo, they have not accomplished enough to be more highly regarded.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brady is cited

because he is so good. So you examine the best in the game and see if the idea that good QBs have bad games holds up. If it holds up for Brady, it should hold up in any other examination. That’s the sole purpose of using Brady. For my purpose SB rings are irrelevant. I could use Brees just as easily. You always test first against the extreme case and work your way inward. If Brady were so consistent that he had no bad games, you’d move to the next best and so on.

It’s not an attempt to compare the two QBs. Or five. It’s to point out to those who hyperventilate about a bad game that bad games are an inherent part of QBing in the NFL.

And I have no expectations of a SB for this team. I think the defense will need to become more dominating before that is even possible, or Romo would have to play at a much more Brady-like level (very few mistakes) which I doubt he can do consistently.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you don't think Romo can lead them to the SB

Then isn’t it time to move on from him? If he’s not the guy, then they need to find someone who is? Isn’t that what other people on this board are saying?

I do think he can do it, personally. Which is somewhat ironic, if you think about it.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is a little scary that in his last 6 games, 4 resulted in passer ratings below 67, though. I think that’s what has people so upset. Usually he is like Superman in September, so people recover from their hangover from his December play. This year, he had an early stinker, which reminded them of last season. If all 6 of those games were this season, he would be on the bench for sure.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO!

I am have ZERO desire to justify his play. It was bad. Period.
That’s your strawman – that I have some intent to justify his play. Never wanted to, never tried to.

Romo has a very, very good winning percentage, so he DOES have some degree of surplus of “good will” just not as much as P Manning or Tom Brady. There is a much bigger pattern of winning and playing well than a pattern of losing an playing poorly.

But what I am saying that the hyperventilation about one game is ridiculous. It’s one game. That says nothing at all about Romo and his poor performance. That is a fact, and it’s one that hemust deal with or he’ll hurt the team and seaon. My comment only speaks to fans who are either looking for something and found it in one game, or others who are panicking.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're just unhappy with my terminology.

By comparing him to what other QBs do, you are attempting to say whether it is okay or not that he played that way. That’s an attempt to validate him playing like that on occasion.

I don’t think you actually understand what a straw man argument is, if that’s what you think I have done. Either way, call it whatever you like, I think it’s disingenuous to compare Romo to Brady in this manner until they have a similar level of accomplishment.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, but I think these stats also show that it’s ridiculous to give up on Romo simply because he has a bad game.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 22, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also has three rings

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Sep 21, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

When a solid game occurs

When the Dallas Cowboys display a well rounded game in which all phases click. A game where we score well, with both the running and the passing game making plays. A game where stopping the run doesn’t mean giving up 300+ yards passing in return, and vice versa. A game where we force more turnovers than we give up. A game where penalties are limited to under 50 yards and don’t negate some of our biggest plays. When a game like that happens, even if it’s against the Rams, dude, wake me up! Sadly, I see no such game in the near future.

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 21, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

On another note

So basically Dallas drafted Felix to carry the ball 5-7 times a game + KO returns? Maybe we should just trade him for someone who may actually get some decent playing time. LB, S, CB, OL are all positions that come to mind. I think Felix is a great player and has much value, just not when used only 6x a game.

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 21, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought he was used a lot this game

did I miss something?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

7 carries 0 receptions, is that a lot?

What am I missing?

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 21, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kickoffs

I dunno. I thought he looked involved but maybe I’m wrong.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i said + KO's

still I think they’re seriously underutilizing him

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 21, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had an impact on those seven carries

so he was noticeable. I still think they need to involve him as a receiver, but last night the passing game flat out stunk.

by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 21, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, were the receivers not getting separation

or was Romo just that much off? It was hard to tell cause he kept throwing to the blue jerseys.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard both

but the way TV shows games you can’t tell on a lot of the plays.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slow your horses

This game was bad, really bad. Our secondary was pathetic and Romo was horrendous. But Romo was really only terrible for a handful of plays. The fluke ball off the foot isn’t Romo’s fault despite Cris Collinsworth’s opinion, it was just a weird play that really hurt the cowboys. The deep ball and the pick-6 were pretty awful plays but the giants defense is good. The two deep safeties they run makes it easy for them to be aggressive in the secondary, and ordinarily Romo has eaten them up. This time that secondary ate him twice. The thing that bothers me is that Romo and Garrett both want to be big play guys and with this offense we just don’t need it they will come from the short stuff (Tampa game, Felix, etc..) Throwing deep bombs is not this team’s strong suit and there isn’t a whiny receiver to worry about forcing the ball to, so why keep forcing it? The run game and the short passing game are more than capable of scoring often against a good defense. So, why keep forcing risky plays in to get “the big play”. Romo is already very prone to big mistakes, so why make him take big risks when it just doesn’t seem necessary. Settle down the offense should be easy..the defense on the the other hand is going to need to actually become better football players soon if they want to be able to compete with playoff teams.

by SDTrueblue on Sep 21, 2009 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Good post

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed for the most part....

but i do put the witten INT on Romo…although it was flukey – Romo has problems hitting wide open crossing routes…he does….

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree..........

most of the time it’s behind the receiver.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It might have been a bad throw

but honestly got the impression he was trying to thros it away on that play. And Witten acted like it was by knocking it down.

Either way, I don’t worry about picks like that. Every QB makes bad throws. Eli overthreww a wide open Smith by a good five feet. It happens. The other picks were bad.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

have to disagree on this one.....

it was a bad throw because it went behind Witten and it led to 7 points.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well of course it was bad

but making a physical error is a part of all sports. No one is 100% accurate or perfect in execution. So if you mis-throw and it gets swatted down, bounces off a moving foot and lands right in the hands of a surprised safety, that’s not a concern for me because it’s just one of those things. They couldn’t do that again if they tried,

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I get it

but is that something you’d waste practice time on? Not really. Any more than the crazy TD Manningham caught. Sure Eli threw it to him and sure he caught it, but no one is going to work on that play. It’s fluky and you move on.

The part for me to worry about is how the other two happened. The first is still a mystery to me. The third I think I understand. He thought he had single coverage and was dead wrong.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

If tha's what I saw on film

and in practice – consistent errors on a particular facet. But if you make a physical error because that’s just what happened, it’s not a real issue. I’d work on his reads and recognition for the other two picks that appear to me – just a fan – to be not only more serious, but more correctable.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dunk........

what I’m more concerned with is Romo seems to be consistently throwing behind his receivers, especially on slant rounts. Sure, the INT. with Witten was flukey, but what I’m getting at is much bigger. Why is he consistently throwing behind the receivers instead of in front?

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It could be

and if it is, I’ll bet they are working on it. All of these guys’ success hinges on Romo.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even without the flukey pick

it was a terrible throw on a night when Mr. 100% Offseason looked lost and lazy.

by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 21, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to pile on

But I think we should temper our enthusiasm for how our O-line played last night.

The Giants didn’t blitz last night; they preferred to stay back in coverage. Our OL better look good if a team’s only rushing four guys!

IMO, it was this entirely unexpected wrinkle that caused Romo/our offense to look so bad.

Unfortunately, I also think the majority of our success in the ground game can be attributed to the G-men’s willingness to drop more men into coverage than usual.

Was the decision not to blitz a calculated wrinkle (the Giants not blitzing? Who’d a thunk it?) by Coughlin? Or was it an attempt to mask all the injuries in his secondary? Hard to say, but either way I thought that radical change in scheme had the biggest impact on this game.

Romo looked (and played) like he had no idea what he was looking at. And I think because it was the Giants, Romo just assumed the heat was coming from somewhere, and as a result forced some bad throws.

by Starred4Life on Sep 21, 2009 2:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree completely

it did seem like he was baffled. That’s not a compliment to Romo either. But I’ll be interested to read Raf’s analysis to learn what the Giants were doing that was so effective against the pass.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

NUFF SAID!!!!

Star – Telegram

Everybody gets dropped in the grease on this one but, eventually, blame falls on the unit who was on the field last. The Cowboys defense.

As bad as Romo was, as bad as Newman was, as bad as the Cowboys were, they were up 31-30 with three minutes and 34 seconds to play. All they have to do is stop the Giants one time.

They did not. It is an annoyingly familiar refrain.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 21, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Wait, did you expect them to?

The defense had been on the field for a considerably long time. They had pulled off some emotional redzone escapes. They had been consistently burned prior to getting on the field for the last possession anyway…

Who really thought that they were going to stop the Giants? Like I said earlier, the only way out was if the Giants choked — which they did not.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

They had a long rest before that last drive

But I wonder if depth is an issue after all the injuries…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whatever it was

They were gassed, and Eli was comfortable. Just a bad situation.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I’m thoroughly depressed now after reading through this thread.

Cut ’em all! Trade Trade Trade! Coaching staff deleted.

At least, Cricket looked pretty good.

And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply ...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 21, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

He did

We can end the cut Cricket talk.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good article Dave

I’m surprised so many are declaring our chances dead after the 2nd game. It was a very disappointing and frustrating defeat because I thought the team out played NY by quite a margin. The turnovers and a couple untimely penalties (even though they only had 4 for the game) killed them.

But I can’t get as riled up about this loss as some, because our offensive line was blowing massive holes open and the RB’s were all gouging their highly rated defense. And Romo didn’t seem to be facing much pressure. I’d give our O-line an A for the game (even with the blatant penalty on Flo).

At the same time, our defense really shut down the strength of their offense, the running game. Plus, the red zone defense was outstanding.

I can’t understand the lack of pressure in back to back games after last season’s overall performance. I think at this point it’s to soon to say it’s anything other than an anomaly, but it’s worrisome. The pass defense is a by product of the lack of pressure so far, IMO. Not defending bad play, but in 2 games, both QB’s seemed to have a lot of time to set up in the pocket and wait for WR’s to come open. That has to stop.

Romo needs to play more like the TB game and less like the NYG game from here on out. Garrett called another good game, exactly 50/50 split on run and pass plays. I definitely like that.

I’m still very optimistic about our chances this season, this game didn’t change that.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree completely

Romo has to play under more control. I’m guessing that’s the theme of the week between him and Garrett. He had the biggest hand in wrecking what should have been a win and none of it was under duress.

I am concerned about the pass rush, but hopefully you’re right that it’s anomalous and they’ll figure it out. The secondary has the talent but they looked confused and used poor technique. I wonder if they can turn it around and I wonder how much of it is Hamlin, the QB of the defense.

ST is looking more and more like what Joe D was supposed to bring.

MBIII may be out for a while. Thankfully we still have Choice.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cowboy cominated the giants?

Just wondering which part of ""dominating" you were referring to

Was it total yardage – 420-370 Giants
Time in possession -35 -25 min Giants
Turnover 4-0 Giants

If the Giants had found a red zone offense, it would have been a 30 point game

by a hay on Sep 22, 2009 1:03 AM CDT reply actions  

By turning it over 4 times

and almost winning the game. That’s pretty much unheard of.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

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