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Cowboys Offense in Review: Time to Brain the Milk Cow

When I was much younger, my father purchased a milk cow for our farm.  He was a country boy at heart and missed fresh milk.  The cow didn't take to feeling new hands and gave dad a couple of kicks the first morning he set to milk her. 

My dad was not the patient sort, and had less tolerance for a cow.  He swung the pot he took for collecting the milk and brained the cow.  The blow was so hard it put a permanent dent in the metal pot.  He said the cow staggered a moment, rolled its eyes, and quickly got the message. 

Dad got his milk, and never again got trouble from the cow.

It may be time for Jason Garrett to take a similar heavy swing at Tony Romo's thick head.  Last night the Cowboys milk cow showed how thin the line between winning and losing can be.  In his case, it's one pass.

Star-divide

There are plenty of numbers to crunch and debate, but on offense, this line glows in angry red:

  • 29 attempts, 2 bad decisions, 6.9 bad decision percentage

Gunslinger QBs have a higher risk-reward ratio than the dinkers and dunkers. They throw down the field more and take more chances.  The good ones make more big plays and commit more mistakes as a by-product.  K.C. Joyner has put the bad decision fault line for down-the-field types at roughly 3.5%. 

In other words, for quarterbacks who average 30 attempts per game, one bad throw per game can usually be tolerated and overcome.  It's the service charge for big plays. 

Romo has criss-crossed what I'll call the Favre Line in his still-brief career.  In '06, his rookie starting season, Romo posted a phenomenal 1.9 bad decision percentage.   In '07, when the wins came, that number nonetheless mushroomed to 4.0%.   It's been on the bad side of 3.5% since.

Last week, Romo's number was just on the line. He had one questionable pass against the Bucs.  Last night, he had two howlers. One was returned for a touchdown. That came in a 3rd-and-10 situation, when Romo overthrew Roy Williams and found a Giants cornerback instead. 

That throw didn't particularly bother me.  I've seen lots of good QBs fail at this pass, guys named Namath, Marino, Elway, Favre and Warner.  They trust their arms and sometimes miss those tiny boxes they hit more often than not.  That was within the quota.

It was the second pick which had me wondering if that old dented pot is still around. If I find it, Jason Garrett may get it express delivery, if he hasn't purchased one already.  This came on a 1st-and-10, when Dallas was in position to finally seize control of the game.  Romo forced a deep pick into double coverage and didn't come close.  This is the type of unforced error he made against Baltimore, Seattle and other teams last year.

It's the difference between one bad decision and two.  It's the difference between 3.4% and 6.9%. 

It's the difference between winning and losing.

It's a lesson that hasn't taken, despite the talk of "Romo Friendly." 

Romo doesn't have to shoulder the load.  He's running an offense that put 31 points and nearly 400 yards of offense on one of the better defenses in the league.  It stampeded a front seven that's supposed to be the NFL's deepest.  Dallas has averaged 32.5 points thus far, and if they can gash New York this way,  the points should come against nearly everybody.   Don Meredith used to have this same problem.  If you've ever read the '69 book Next Year's Team, you'll know it quotes a chastened Meredith, emerging from a film session with Tom Landry, chanting, "I will not throw deep on double coverage," as a mantra.  That lesson never fully took, and that failure got Dandy booed out of town.

The next time Romo addresses the press, look at his scalp. See if that backwards baseball cap is concealing a lump.  If Romo wants to make the move from his flat at the corner of Meredith and White to the penthouse on the corner of Staubach and Aikman, his coordinator Jason Garrett may have to employ the type of "Romo persuasive" methods my dad would have endorsed.

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1st bad monday in a while

American by birth, COWBOYS FAN by the grace of God.

by jgoddard8409 on Sep 21, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

It doesn't appear

that anyone’s is being slammed with a bucket, verbal or otherwise, for any mistakes. That’s the problem.

by Elwood62 on Sep 21, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

still havent read the post ( I have to go to work)

But has any one brought up the idea of occasionally interchanging Rat and Igor’s positions?

by bad knees on Sep 21, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought of that ....

Igor – strong like Bull – certainly looks the part of a NT!

by alanTdot. on Sep 21, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Were is the defensive master mind by coaching?

and were is the intensity seen in good defenses?

by bad knees on Sep 21, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

well first you have to have a good defense

the intensity follows

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 21, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo did not listen to the Tuna

What makes anyone think he will listen to Garrett?

by 082288 on Sep 21, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

garret still calls the plays

I think garret can get the point across if he starts calling much more dink and dunk. gives romo much less freedom and takes away much of the play book.

by Becho on Sep 21, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea Raf I Agree

We had all the momentum, we were running it down their throats. I was havings visiona of emmit left emmit right and just beating them into submission. Then “THE PASS”…..what for??? Man I am so PO’ed I couldnt get to sleep for hours.

American by birth, COWBOYS FAN by the grace of God.

by jgoddard8409 on Sep 21, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Meredith reincarnated?

Hope I don’t jinx him, but is Romo reminding anyone else of Dandy Don? (boomers will remember) Loved the guy’s talent and courage but he never did seem to take the game serious enough to be a champion.
Man oh man I hope I’m wrong…

"What we've got here is failure to communicate"

by angie'sdad on Sep 21, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I was in Dandy Don's freshman class at SMU. He had a great run with the Mustangs

and the Cowboys. But after losing those two championship games to the Packers, he was never the same.

Wharter

by Wharter on Sep 21, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

but is Romo reminding anyone else of Dandy Don?

Did you read Raf’s post? I think he beat you to the comparison.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 22, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

read Raf's post; good but,

I see a big difference in the personalities of White and Meredith; Don had the talent but not the ’tude; White had the ’tude but not the talent to win a championship

"What we've got here is failure to communicate"

by angie'sdad on Sep 22, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think White had the talent

just not around him

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Raf this is a great post.......

unless Romo learns how to not throw deep into double coverage he will be another Meredith or White. I think it’s time for Jason Garrett to reel him in. My question, Garrett doesn’t seem the confrontational type. Does he have it in him? I may be totally mis-reading him. Hopefully, I am and he will get on to Romo because this can’t keep happening.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah...

That last pick was what did it for me too. I loved the deep call, but hated that he threw that pass, it just wasn’t even warranted.

I’m not going to jump on the “get rid of Romo” wagon yet, but if by the end of the season I’m still seeing throws like that on big drives, I’m going to be headed that way.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garrett is icy and can cut you if necessary

He’s not the kind of guy who wears it on his sleeve like Parcells, but that doesn’t mean his messages are not received.

by Rafael Vela on Sep 21, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's good to hear........

he appears to be laid back and calm. I was afraid he was kinda wimpy but sounds like I’m wrong

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hope you're right Rafael

He looks like Opie to me. Then again, it doesn’t have to be a knock on the head to persuade some people.

I kinda wish Tony would get sent special delivery of a transcript of our blog. WE HAVE THE ANSWERS to JerryWorld’s problems.

I love this blog :)

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously

I’ll be glad when this “Romo-era” is over.

It may take several more years, but at some point we are going to have a QB that we can trust in the clutch.

by BishopWest on Sep 21, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Because the few years before that were so good.

Not defending Romo, just saying that you don’t know how long it is going to take to get another QB with talent.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

the devil you know…..

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you're just blogging

it’s easy to hire and fire everyone. The real world is much tougher.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I"m really not sure which is worse

Romo is so freakin good when he’s good that he definitely raises expectatinos. When it was Quincy and the other bus drivers, we really didn’t expect much. This is torture being on the edge of brilliance. This is like being out on a Saturday night in college surrounded by hot women, you’re confident good things will happen later. At least when you were stuck back in your room studying you knew how the night would end.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 22, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe they should bring back Quincy

I’m sure he needs the work. They can trade Romo only about 28 teams would go after him .You better be glad the cowboys have him,good QB’s are hard to find. Look at starters in the NFL.

by DIRE WOLF on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marellus Bennet said it best on twitter.

@Jupiters_Crunch Damn my head hurts from watching that film. No way we shoulda lost that damn game. We destroyed them at the line of scrimmage.

He had time to throw, he had WR open, he had an effective running game that was giving him single coverage. He just missed throws that he needed to make.

I see him more like a Danny White he has the ability to put up great numbers, but will he win the big one.

Whether you think you can or you think you can't either way your right

by UnNessecsary Roughness on Sep 21, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

maybe it's just me.....

but do you think that’s a good thing for Bennett to be putting on Twitter? I do agree with him but he needs to keep that in house. Am I over-reacting on that cause it sounds like the locker room at the end of last year?

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was thinking

That quote need a start and a finish, I can’t tell what marty b tv said and what was added.

by TONYINCC on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I see him more like a Danny White

Unlike Romo, DW won a few playoff games. I’m NOT in the get rid of Romo bandwagon either but I find myself halfway bald today since I pulled a lot of my hair out during the game last nite.

by troysboys on Sep 21, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately...

that cow is probably smarter than Tony Romo. The broadcast had the beleaguered QB mike’d up, and he couldn’t have come across more dimwitted. Makes Tex wonder what he and Jessica used to talk about. Garrett must be so frustrated with this mule.

by Montecito Tex on Sep 21, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

so is tuna a fish or is it chicken?

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can tune a piano...

… well, you know …

Congratulations Bob Hayes
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http://www.bloggingtheboys.com

by Raul Villaronga on Sep 21, 2009 5:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dandy Don...

was much funnier than Romo and didn’t take himself quite as serious. That “aw-shucks” routine with the hat on backwards is really wearing thin on people. I’d pay big money to see the Playmaker take him out beind the shed and just kick his a$$. As I said earlier this summer, he just doesn’t seem to have the same fire in the belly since he got paid. Hey, maybe he’s just a dumb guy and it’s not his fault – ever thought of that?

"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"

by SaratogaRacing on Sep 21, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

well its funny that you mention that......

as it was brought up here a couple of months ago…the assertion (in NFL circles) was that Romo was just happy to have made it to the NFL/starting QB of the Cowboys and he was content with making it as a longshot and really wasn’t driven to get to the next level

well that was shot down in here vehemently

by McLovin9 on Sep 21, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

McLovin9 - I remember...

the long rants made by Terry and other protecting Romo, but you hit the nail on the head. It was quite obvious to me that ever since Romo got the money and the starting QB job, he has never been the same. I would not say he is “going through the motions”, but the guy really has nothing to play for. Hey McLovin’, correct me if I am wrong: does Romo look happier with a golf club in his hand or sitting on the Cowboy bench?? And, gosh, as much as I disdain Parcells, he was soooooo right about Romo. Like I said before, the guy needs a good a$$-kicking.

"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"

by SaratogaRacing on Sep 21, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa slow down Fist

he knows Romo personally. He knows what he needs and isn’t getting…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fire Phillips

Wade should be the one grabbing Romo by the scruff… not the Playmaker. A verbal assault on national TV, let alone a brief benching after that first pick six would have made an important point, but Phillips isn’t a leader of men. Wade Phillips won’t be the coach of the Cowboys next year, why not make a change now?

PS: These comparisons are insulting to Meredith and White.

by Montecito Tex on Sep 21, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hate to even respond to you, but

you’re right in your PS.
White gets a bad deal from fans, he wasn’t the problem in those days, the D.

Why not change now? Not a rhetorical question-because it wouldn’t work and would throw the season away. JJ had all offseason to make a coaching change, and we’re on the Wade-ride this year, like it or not.
Barring some ridiculous losing streak anyways….

He IS gone this year unless he wins a playoff game, I’ve always thought that

by Realist Larry on Sep 21, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorta like Ace Ventura on Pet Detective

that was a bit much, but yeah Tony should definitely do it.

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 21, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo gets the majority of hte blame, but let's not let Garrett off scott-free

Unless Romo did some huge audible, and he IS responsible for checking down, Garrett presumably is still the one sending a guy deep.
  Why??
   They were cramming it down their throats on the ground, and short passes would have been fine. the game wasn’t over and he doesn’t need to be overly conservative, but——It’s HIS job to knowRomo and his bad tendencies, and at that point in the game use first downs and ball control to put it away.

Romo-80%, Garrett 20%

by Realist Larry on Sep 21, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree to a point too.

I think if any QB is struggling, get him in short yardage situations, even good QB’s.

But who knows whose fault it was? Even if Garrett made the call, it’s Romo’s job to assert the situation.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it was necessarily a bad call but.....

Romo does have the option of checking down which he didn’t. He went for the big play and it bit him. That’s my main problem with Romo. He always wants to go for the BIG PLAY. I don’t know if he will ever change. He’s saying all the right words but I don’t know if he is just saying the words because it’s expected of him or if he has truly learned anything. Unfortunately, it doesn’t appear like he has learned.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that is necessarily true.

He doesn’t always go for the big play, as a matter of fact alot of time last year he checked down.

He just hasn’t consistently made the right call in certain situations.

I’m not ready to throw in the Romo towl, but doubt is starting to creep in. Not that he’s a bad QB, he’s a good QB. I think that is what’s frustrating, it’s like.. all he needs to do is just cut down on mistakes and to me he can easily move into the top 5.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

He checked off to the run

the entire last drive.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

He doesn’t “always”. Raf made an excellent point, it’s actually a small percentage of time that he makes bone headed plays. The problem is the magnitude of the mistake when it happens. The fact is, MOST of the time he’s making the right decision. In my opinion, that actually makes it even more difficult to fix. We are what we are and Tony’s natural headset is to swing for the fence. In the heat of battle when a split second decision is required, it’s very hard to not occasionally have your instincts take over.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 22, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's my fear as well

tht he may not be able to fix it.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a two man route

both guys were covered.

It’s 1st and 10. Chuck it out of bounds.

by Rafael Vela on Sep 21, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, but do you really think Romo saw the deep safety?

Surely if he saw him, he wouldn’t have tried to throw it. He led Hurd right into the safety, who looked like he was fielding a punt.

I don’t think Romo picked Phillips(?) up at the line. I think he was so hyped about hitting the deep route that he didn’t account for the safeties and thought he had Hurd streaking open.

Just askin’. Because if this is the case, it’s a whole ’nother problem.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Sep 21, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

either way it is a big problem

Either Romo sees him and throws it anyway, or he doesn’t, and we have a QB who isn’t even seeing the entire defense pre-snap.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

True. I'm not denying that at all.

I’m trying to distinguish between a bad “read” of the defense (not being aware of where the safety is) and a conscious decision to throw into double coverage. Outcome was just as bad either way, and both represent something that needs fixing.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Sep 21, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thought that too..and wondered what the safety was doing that far back

in the first place. I think the Gints knew what was comin cuz that guy was playing deep right field.

by Benthere on Sep 21, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're asking the right question

Romo said he didn’t see him and that it was a big mistake. But it’s not what you are reading here – that he tried a death-defying throw into double coverage.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

New York was playing its FS 25 yards deep all game in centerfield

Romo should know where he is, pre-snap, especially if the call is a deep route.

by Rafael Vela on Sep 21, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

No see..safe-t

Romo said in his presser that he didn’t see the safety. He also at least said the right thing when he said he didn’t account for the safety so still a big mistake by him. This is the issue, tony is a bang bang kinda player and he has yet realized that if there is a degree of doubt just throw it away or even eat a sack in past years our running attack wasn’t formidable enough to allow romo this luxury. But it certainly is now. Even though he didn’t see the safety that is still a throw you can’t make if you haven’t accounted for all the safeties. Easy to be a monday morning quarterback but when you’ve already thrown a pick six and had a felix fumble you have to be better at ball security to win big games.

by SDTrueblue on Sep 22, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

But why even call a route like that on a night when things were going like they were?

I have a problem w/Garrett even sending a guy long.
Crossing route? Screen pass? QB rollout w/a short pass? Some games it seems these aren’t even in his playbook.

by Realist Larry on Sep 21, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially then...

we’d finally put ourselves in position to perform a long drive, score and what could have been a knockout punch. Even if we settled for a field goal, we’d be up 7 and still be in control.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm

If the FS was playing that deep all game, then Romo should have known not to throw it up like that even if his view was blocked and he couldn’t see Kenny Phillips.

Bad, Romo, bad!

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with the play call

The Giants were set up and every now and then I think it’s good to go for the big play. If you don’t, that safety that was 25 yards deep ends up in the box. You have to throw down the field from time to time. You just have to make sure you make the proper reads when you do it.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 22, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is only Garrett's fault if that throw was the only option on the play

Why shouldn’t he be sending a guy deep? We were running the ball very well, and that is exactly when you want to go over the top. When that play gets called, and there is a safety sitting back far enough to return a punt, Romo has to be marginally intelligent and think “okay, there is a safety deep, I better not throw it right to him”. Passing plays usually have more than one receiver to throw to, and Romo should have thrown it to any of the other ones that weren’t completely covered. Can’t blame Garrett for Romo’s idiocy.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad decision?

If the first pass was when he “overthrew Roy Williams and found a Giants cornerback instead,” would that not be considered just a bad pass and not a bad decision? You even mentioned that many great quarterbacks “trust their arms and sometimes miss those tiny boxes they hit more often than not.”

If that was just a bad pass and not a bad decision, then Romo did not meet his quota after that pass. In fact, the pass to Witten (that was kicked and picked) was also a missed pass, right? I imagine that is why you did not include it as a bad decision.

The biggest problem Romo had yesterday was that he was not accurate, not that he made bad decisions. He was missing receivers all over the field. He was off. It happens to all athletes.

By his own admission, Romo misread the defense on the deep pass, and did not see Phillips deep. Hard to hit someone on the head with a bucket because he made a mistake and admits it. There is more than one way to skin a cat, or in this case, milk a cow. Other ways are easier on the cow…and the bucket.

by ScarletO on Sep 21, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't understand

Because there are excuses you approve of, then you refute that there is a pattern, and then no one is at fault for Romo’s three interceptions… least of all Romo?
You’re going to parse “bad decision” vs “bad pass” and allow for a qualitative judgment where Romo is absolved of guilt in the resulting pick six…
And he’s absolved of guilt because he admits he didn’t think to read the defense pre-snap so he just chucked the ball willy nilly downfield without KNOWING what was unfolding (the whole play was just a guess on his part). Even though he admits he doesn’t know where the safeties were during the play, it’s a guiltless mistake? Also, the pass itself was terrible. Ill-thrown… a mistake in its own right. If Hurd were open it’d never have been caught. Hurd didn’t even have a chance to knock it down, or even tackle Phillips.

Are receivers allowed the luxury of ‘being off?" They get what, 4 chances a game, and if they drop each one, you’ll pat ‘em on the back and say, "hey, you’re an athlete. you’re free to be off"?

Lack of accuracy comes down to a lack of effort and focus. If his feet are clean in the pocket, the ball should be catchable. If the ball is not catchable, well then, he’s not a very good QB now, is he?

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Uh, that’s a lot of wriing and not a lot of comprehension”

I see the apple fell right by the tree.

If YOU did not comprehend my point, please feel free to ask.

Perhaps I should reestablish my initially respectful tone by asking, how do you differentiate between a bad decision and a bad pass?

Is throwing into double coverage a bad decision? If so, then the pass to the sidelines intended for Crayton that was thrown into double coverage that hit Patrick in the hands and fell incomplete should be qualified as a bad decision. You, however, did not mention that pass in your analysis.

If an interception is the basic criterion for a bad decision, then why was Witten’s pass not a bad decision? Because it was a bad pass?

Did Romo make a bad decision when he threw the pick six last season against Pittsburgh, or was it Witten that was not in the right place, or did the ball sail on Romo, or was it a great play by the defense, or…get the point?

The final interception was a bad decision because of a poor read. Romo admitted that he did not see the safety. He made a bad decision based on erroneous information. Would you also consider that a bad pass, as Hurd had no chance to catch the ball, or was Romo trying to throw it over everyone and didn’t realize until after he let it go, that Phillips was back there: it would then be a bad decision and a good pass…right?

Again, how do you and KC Joyner specifically, objectively quantify what is a good/bad decision, and what is a good/bad pass?

by ScarletO on Sep 21, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

if your guy catches it..its a good throw..if the other guy catches it…bad throw/decision……….ha!

"Let me tell you sumthin' son ! an ass whippin' hurts no matter what kinda shape your in ! " Stone Cold Steve Austin

by jerryw on Sep 21, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

To try and quantify

I would say a bad pass is obviously a pass that has a low percentage of being cought by your guy, regardless of coverage, etc. The lower chances of being caught, the worse the pass. If you hit a guy in the numbers who is in triple coverage, probably not the best decision, but a great pass.

A bad decision is based on the likelihood of success of that receiver getting the ball, and what situation that receiver is going to be in once the pass is caught. The 2nd pick was simply a bad throw, because the decision was fine (wide open guy with an easy route to a first down), but the 1st and 3rd picks were bad decisions given the nature of the defense, with the 3rd really being a combination of the two.

The 1st pick was a little more forgivable because the defense called an audible almost as the ball was being snapped to match Romo’s audible, and he simply didn’t adjust, and made a bad decision. The 3rd pick was just stupid because the safety was sitting back there like a punt returner, so the deep route was covered both over the top and underneath. Had the throw been good it possibly could have been a completion, but even then the receiver is going to get laid out by the deep safety, so even if the pass had been good it still would have been a bad decision.

Accurate QBs can make up for decision making by making great passes, and inaccurate QBs can make up for it by making sure the ball only goes where their teammates can get it. Romo is inaccurate and still makes throws that opponents can capitalize on.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're not asking me, but I'll jump in here.

I’d call a “bad pass” the one he threw behind Witten that bounced off
witten’s foot and got intercepted; or the one he whistled past Crayton’s head from the three when Crayton was open in the end zone on that little slant pattern right before Romo scored on the QB draw.

If he didn’t see the safety, that’s a bad “read”.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Sep 21, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

excuse me, mister

should have put more explanation and less flippancy in the remarks. Sorry for coming off so snarky.

A bad decision is one that leads to an interception or an almost interception (the defender get his hands on the ball). In the context of Romo’s picks, the first was a bad decision. He had bracket coverage on his receiver and since two were in the area it was not clear which on he threw too. Plus, the throw was terrible.

The Witten pick is a poor throw but not a poor decision. WItten was open. Had the ball been on target, it’s a decent gain.

The third was both. Double coverage. Poor situation. Just a bad, bad decision and a bad throw too.

Emotions are way too intense here, so I apologize for being flippant. You’re one of the calmer heads here and didn’t deserve suck a curt response.

by Rafael Vela on Sep 21, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rafael....

The 2nd interception was unlucky how that ball bounced off Witten’s foot into the hands of the defender but the throw was also waaaaaayyyyyy behind…there was no pressure and tit was a short 7 to 8 yard completion. This was also very bad.

I think Tony Romo is a great QB but what I saw yesterday deserved a bit more than that pot…….I was thinking more of a hammer or a baseball bat.

Can you please let us know if you reallly agree with the call from Jason Garret on that 3rd interception? To me it is ridiculous that we made that call on 1st and 10, with the lead, with an 8.7 yard average on running plays and when they already knew Romo was off.

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

I’ll live with pick 2, it was just horribly off target. Pick 3 was utterly inexcusible, the kind of throw that ended Drew Bledsoes career.

by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 21, 2009 4:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The second one was still a bad throw

He had Witten open and threw it behind Witten. It was shear bad luck that Witten knocked it down onto his heel and then into teh arms of teh Giants player, but it was still a bad throw by Romo.

by Sean N on Sep 21, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the call

Not every play call works. The best OCs have a lot of their plays stymied. The DCs are good too. It’s 1st and 10. If the play isn’t there, it’s on the QB to throw it away and go to 2nd and 10.
Romo didn’t.

Romo isn’t a robot.

by Rafael Vela on Sep 21, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

People really are not getting this

the bad decisions were on the 1st pick and the 3rd.

by Rafael Vela on Sep 21, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are many ways to play poorly

We can only criticize his decision making on the 1st and 3rd picks, but we can also criticize the pass on the second. The fact that Romo didn’t make a bad “decision” on the 2nd pick doesn’t excuse him any, it was still poor QB play.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's how I see it, too.

Three INTs: a bad decision, a bad pass, and a bad “read”.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Sep 21, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

it is STILL 3 INTs, thats all that matters

last week Delhome had a deflection picked up by the eagles, and from what I can tell it was not his fault , but it is what it is an INTERCEPTION

by dcfanz on Sep 21, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

barber's Injury

I just heard he has a partial tear of his quad and could miss 2 – 4 weeks…….is that true? Anybody heard anything different?

by ManTab on Sep 21, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I heard you just make that up

It’s not true…it’s not true

(hands over ears)

LALALALALALALA

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Terry and Bye Dawk are both in theropy about now

I don’t think things are quite what they seem, first Tony is going to be fine. Second the Giants aren’t as good as they are being made out to be.

I remember a time I would have killed to just have a competitive team. Well, we do and we should win some games. Take them one at a time and get better is all we can ask. As we all know the team in September is not the team in December. It morphs. We have dominated the line of scrimmage in both games, who could ask for more. For those about to argue Tampa, our linebackers blew chunks.

by Musiccitynorm on Sep 21, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Of course the Giants are that good

Fine is fine for a HS team, Dallas competes for super bowls or doesn’t accomplish squat — this is not good enough even for a second. I’m sure Dallas set a record for most rushing yards in a loss, thats the kind of medicority the Bengals of the world achieve

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

"aren't that good"

but that compounds it, if the NYG aren’t that good, what is Dallas? at home, in an electric homefield, amounting to squat

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brandon Jacobs

on a local radio show, called the Cowboys are a ‘dirty’ team. Is that a bad thing?

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

he just doesn’t like getting tackled behind the LOS

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, I'm sure

Said something about Kosier pushing him from behind right after the game. What a wimp.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh

there was a tripping situation that resulted in an injury. that is the definition of dirty, no?

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

NFL dirty is eye gouging and testicle twisting. Tripping is the moral equivelant of a holding penalty, I think

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what about the twisting facemask

on Austin. That really could have caused a permanent injury. If they whine about tripping, somebody should bring that up.

by JimmyJohnson on Sep 21, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same guy, LB Boley

Had a questionable hit out of bounds on Crayton’s end around that left him dazed.

The Gmen aren’t exactly in a position to call other teams play dirty.

And Jacobs needs to shut up after his lackluster performance.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thoght there was a late hit on felix when he hurt his back too

its football….I’ve never heard a team talk as much as these giants do.

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what

Brandon Jacobs can go suck a

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mostly, Romo plays well

Once in a while, he’ll put up elite numbers. Also, once in a while, he’ll have an absolute disaster.

Could it be that Romo’s true nature lies at the mean of all these performances? Could he be just an above-average QB?

Bear with me because this sounds like blasphemy (well, less so today than last Monday), but we might be overrating our QB’s ceiling.

This just in: Cowboy fans think their QB is better than he really is — SHOCKING!!!

It’s not impossible to win a Superbowl with Tony Romo, however, it’s going to involve reining him in when he gets in a funk. There is no way the offense should run primarily through him on a night like last night.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Could be,

but with this running game, we can get away with above average. He can’t kill us like he did last night.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's the thing

He’s blowing chunks, the running game is going and defense is suspect.

Why in God’s name is he still throwing the ball?

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily

You just need to play the most error-free football of your life. And as long as the other phases of your team are clicking, you’re in good shape.

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo

Exactly. That is what Eli did, he wasn’t elite, just good enough.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big Ben was elite in his 1st superbowl run

go back and look at his numbers in the game leading up to it. Despite a brutish performance in the SB, it was also elite, considering how few men ever complete a 50+ yard bomb to give your team the lead in a SB

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had a 95.7 rating in those playoffs.

And he had a higher passer rating than every QB he faced – Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo, Brett Favre, and Tom Brady.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah?

Eli played at an elite level three times straight to win a Super Bowl? Big Ben had an elite three game stretch to win his first super Bowl? Trent Dilfer or even Elway’s first Super Bowl?

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact, that's why they say Elway

finally won a Super Bowl on his third try. He had Davis to help run the ball. He quit trying to put everything on his shoulders and played elite football.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

playing elitely mean sticking to the system

I’m not asking for Johnathan of Roller Ball to carry the world on his back

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know and that's why I brought up Elway.......

he couldn’t win before because he was a gunslinger in his earlier years. When he finally won against Green Bay, he quit trying to do everything himself and play within Shanahan’s system and he had Terrell Davis to hand off to.

by texstar on Sep 21, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

good to know that someone appreciates the classics

I was really looking forward to the remake but it was so dissapointing, just as bad as the Planet of the Apes remake with Marky Mark.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Sep 21, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo was a good QB last night

He lead the team up and down the field to the tune of 400 yards and 31 points. Usually that’s enough to win.

Problem was, he was a bad passer last night. He threw 3 interceptions but that wasn’t the worst part. He lost his accuracy (consistently throwing behind or overthrowing his receivers), his touch (blazed it past Crayton in the endzone when a softer pass would have been 6, it was also too far in front of him). He showed this all night long. These are bread and butter plays for an NFL passer. He was even missing Witten.

by mdlusk on Sep 21, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

as I said before, bring back TO,

every receiver on the team is too fast for Romo, thats why he throws behind them two games in a row

by dcfanz on Sep 21, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

How was he both a good QB and still had all the problems?

A good QB would have given us a 14-21 point win yesterday.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

a good QB lin leading the team to offensive success

a bad passer in being the primary reason the passing game failed. They are two different responsibilities.

by mdlusk on Sep 21, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

believe me, I'm a s mad at Romo as I've ever been

This was his worst game of his career, even regarding Buffalo. That was early in his career and mistakes and impatience are more likely then. He should know better now.

by mdlusk on Sep 21, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good points

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best decision-making under Parcells...

No shock there. He was wet behind the ears and eager to please the no-nonsense Parcells whose mantra was avoiding stupid mistakes. He did what he was told and obviously does best under a tough taskmaster. When Bill left, he even warned him not take “the cheese.” Well, he’s been eating lots of cheese. He’s a bona fide rock star now and no longer fears for his job. And that’s the real problem.

by Boundforbeach on Sep 21, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Raf, can you pls answer?

What do you think about the explanation from Romo on that $%$#@^ 3rd interception ,that he didn’t see the safety behind Hurd ? To me that is plain irresponsible . Not to matter the ball was overthrown , hurd had no chance to get his hands , heck he was in no position to tackle the safety after interception.

by Nan_L on Sep 21, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Almost as bad as the throw and decision

was the frikkin timing of it. Why get greedy when it was time to milk clock on a tired Giants D

by fretman on Sep 21, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

My best guess

Is that because we were having so much success with the run, they decided to move one safety into the box to stop it, and have the other safety play deep to prevent the big play. Pretty standard, and the way to attack it is mid-range passes.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Danny White

The comparisons to Danny White are a little extreme right now. Danny followed a legend and there was tremendous pressure on him to perform as Roger had. Romo does not have this pressure, he is just a natural risk taker and he does not appreciate the failures as much as he should. Danny was smarter than Romo, he just didn’t have the arm Romo has. In the end the failures got to Danny, just as they will with Romo if he is not careful. I like the guy and I like his play, he just has to remember if its not there, its not there and learn to play the next down or game, not sink it all into one bad throw. I will take Romo over what we had for several years, just as Tom should have stayed with Danny. Don’t anyone forget Hogeboom and Pelleur.

Ahab the Arab
He who wants to find something wrong will always find what they are looking for.

by damnarab2 on Sep 21, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Or Leaf or Carter

Anthony Wright, Chad Hutchinson… I know Dallas has no choice but Romo, surely… surely Romo doesn’t want to be remembered as the guy we were stuck with

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

He should feel the pressure of living up to the legacy of great quarterbacks this team has had, no just the collection of losers that immediately preceded him

If he does not feel the pressure to live up to tha legacy, is he the right guy for the job?

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Sep 21, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Legacy?

Legacy schmegacy.
I want that grinning idiot to feel the pressure to complete passes from down-to-down. Terms like “legacy” are for beat writers and fans.

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok LEAVE Danny White alone

He had the team in position to win the NFC Championship. The defense collapsed. Period.

by Keys80 on Sep 21, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Danny..... No

Ok, that wasn’t in one of the Championship games. But, he did fumble when we were nearly in FG range vs. the Niners.

I agree tho, at least he got us there. Romo has a long way to go before that comparison should stick.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo is the guy we are stuck with

I don’t know why anybody would want him to be our QB if there was a halfway decent alternative out there.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

The third interception

was so unbelievably bad I can’t explain it.

As you said, the first one is at least explainable Hes made that throw many times before. He made an AMAZING pass into double coverage for crayton later in the game that crayton dropped. I remember at least one of th INTs in the pitt game was a similar situation. I’d prefer he not throw those balls….but…a lot of good comes from them too.

The second interception was dumb luck. Yes it was a bad pass – how many bad passes did eli manning make? 4? 3 of them could be picked and the giants were lucky they werent, while we got massively unlucky on that play. It was certainly not a bad decision by romo – he saw an open guy, threw it and missed. Jamarcus russell misses all the time, but balls don’t bounce off his receivers feet into defenders hands. I refuse to blame a qb for being innacurate.

The third one drives me nuts. Its just classic brainfart Romo. He didn’t even see the safety, he said it in the press conference, and that was plenty obvious on the field. Thats inexcusable!! I can live with gunslinger INTs whre an accurate qb (for the most part) takes a risk. I can’t live with a 3rd year starting qb not seeing a defenseman and launching it. The play in no way shape or form is garrett’s fault – whats wrong with taking a chance to seal it? Its not like you can predict your qb just isnt gonna notice a guy on the field…

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Our QB isn't even seeing everybody on defense

This isn’t a problem? Also, why shouldn’t you blame a QB for being inaccurate?

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah?

“I refuse to blame a qb for being innacurate.”

Any comment on who is to blame? Global warming? The liberal media? Termites?

by Joey2zs on Sep 21, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I worded that wrong

I meant to say I refuse to blame an INT on a qb for throwing to a wide open player and missing him by a foot"…there….happy?

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to find Monticeto Tex more convincing

but Tex suffers from rampant fatalism and that doesn’t really fit a Texan.

The team has flaws, they’re inconsistent mentally being the worst. I would like Romo to lose the humor and get very serious. For my tastes I wish he were more like a surgeon.

But he doesn’t have to be. Garrett does though, and he needs to impart that on to Romo.

I’m going to take a stab at making gravy out of this:
1) Dallas can shut down a real running game
2) Dallas will get sacks
3) Dallas can run
4) Dallas’ problems are staring them in the face
5) Its time for a gut check in September, no more postponement
6) That stadium is beautiful
7) Romo historically slices up NYG alright
8) This is for all the marbles. We all know that if this team is lousy this year, there won’t be a next year for them. We won’t field this mediocrity, sans brats, two years in a row because Jerry Jones is an ambitious and hungry man

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Sacks??

Looking at the defensive line play…i am not sure how in the world we will get any sacks.

by thejanusman on Sep 21, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

why is anyone surprised?

Wade Phillips teams get more and more undisciplined and sloppy. The first year after Dan Reeves, Marv Levy, and Bill Parcells enough discipline was ingrained to cause a successful season, but the second season the wheels start coming off. Thats why he got fired from the last two jobs. And this team is sloppy (hitting the wrong gaps against tampa, last night is self explanatory). We will beat teams on talent and sloppy play and lose many others on sloppy play alone. When was the last good solid clean win this team had? i can’t even remember. I was roasted for calling him a cup cake. He is called a cup cake because when his team plays poorly and gives games away, instead of coming down on his team and making them respect him, he says things like “we would have won if it wasn’t for the turnovers” and ‘the better team lost" of the one playoff team. That lack of accountability is inexcusable in a head coach. It’s why he isn’t a good head coach. This is a wasted season, unless he changes. Despite the glowing reports from training camp, he is still soft on his players. Jimmy Johnson once said (about barry switzer) that “the players should never be the heavy” It’s the coaches job. He doesn’t have to yell, or scream, he can even be nice. but players must be held accountable. Our linebackers are hit the wrong gaps in one game, and our cornerbacks don’t cover receivers correctly. and players like spencer are given there job instead of earning them. Why try harder when you are just given your job cause the guy you couldn’t beat got cut. I really hope wade figures it out, he’s a nice guy. but history is not on our side.

but on the bright side, there’s a lot of great coaches available next year, and this is wades final year in his contract…………….notice he wasn’t extended

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

for such an undisciplined and sloppy team

our penalties have been few, we were extremely disciplined in the run game last week when we needed to be…heck, we did a heck of a lot more good than bad aside from romo. Is it wade’s fault the giants wrs killed our cbs? we had no choice but to leave them out on an island against the giants run game

quit blaming the coach for individual players problems.

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

sounds like the excuses last year after the cincinatti win, and the redskin loss

the safeties were cheating up against the run allowing passes over the top, that’s discipline. the qb throws risky passes when he should be taking care of the ball, that’’s discipline, the dbs aren’t tackling properly, that’s sloppy, the linebackers, last week hits the wrong gaps thats sloppy and undisciplined, it’s not just one player, it’s the whole team, that’s one the head coach.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

If not for one player

we have a 10+ point win over a hated division rival…

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which leads me to romo

with out a head coach that holds players accountable, Romo has to discipline himself into not making mistake. I’ll give a good example from last year. I hate the eagles so it pains me to say this, but andy reid benched mcnabb when he was playing brain dead last year. It worked and Mcnabb played much better. i’m not saying Romo should be benched, but he must have some sort of fear of consequences. Now the sloppy play extends to the whole team.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions  

thats crazy

if you’re down 6 and have the opportunity for a td, you take it!

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm talkin about the deep pick

we were up and running the ball well. We couldve killed some clock and gone up bt 2 scores right?

by fretman on Sep 21, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah ok in that instance I was thinking run too, Garrett wanted a jugular

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

greedy

there was no jugular to be had all night. I dont like the call but ultimately its on Romo

by fretman on Sep 21, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can't fault jason garret

this team scores points, and his scheme is sound

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

its on Romo not Garret

by fretman on Sep 21, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

no it's not

Inspite of JG’s shortcomings Romo makes his scheme look good. He is a bad offensive gameplanner, and I hope he’s gone soon…

usa

by Longhorn on Sep 21, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I like to think I’m pretty smart when it comes to offensive schemes, and Garrett is constantly getting our playmakers the ball, and his O-Line blocking schemes work quite well (see: last night). It is all on Romo, he is the guy with the ball in his hands.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the team played their hearts out

D got tired. Oline no sacks. Run was stopped. Came down to 1 bad decision. Coaching was fine

by fretman on Sep 21, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still in favor of Garrett as the next HC

that hasn’t changed. Icy, cerebal, sounds like a Landry type of guy and the opposite of the feel good and the confrontational

by AustonianAggie on Sep 21, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

A lot of people just assume romo’s personality reflects garrett’s and they couldn’t be more wrong.

I think we would be a big disciplinarian as HC, maybe the kinda guy we need.

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think a large reason to this is he never runs on passing plays like he seemed to do often when he first burst onto the scene.

by DavidLaFleur on Sep 21, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

The Giants figured it out

Romo is best against the blitz and heavy pressure. He’s pretty good at finding the open guy and delivering the ball quickly. And he can move and create big plays when the pocket breaks down. But if you fake the blitz and drop back in coverage, he seems clueless. Moreover, our WR’s seem clueless in finding an open spot in these situations.

by JimmyJohnson on Sep 21, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

they didn't figure anything out, Romo was off last night. it happens

The bigger issue is the sloppy play of this team as a whole, just like last year

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

The rest of the team played great

It is all Romo’s fault

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

the secondary played great?

I do lay this game at Romo’s feet, PRIMARILY. But the secondary was awful.

by mdlusk on Sep 21, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The D played as well as any of us should expect them to. They kept getting screwed on field position and momentum because of the turnovers.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I heard

it’s been over 170 snaps since our last sack and over 190 snaps since our last turnover. That’s not cutting it.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea...

I feel like his biggest disasters have come in games where he was under marginal pressure. Bills, Eagles in 07 (for 3 quarters), steelers last year. He just has trouble playing a safe, controlled ballgame and taking what the defense gives him. The kinda game Eli’s gotten pretty good at the last year and a half (though if im in a shootout, and we’ll be in plenty with this defense, i’d take romo).

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are the bad decision stats really that accurate?

I have always felt like Romo got away with a ton of bad passes, 2 or 3 a game into heavy coverage and what should’ve been a pick. I remember 4 or 5 balls that defenseman flat out dropped that year. Honestly, I thought he was improving in this regard year to year.

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions  

He did

I don’t know how people can’t see that he was off last year even before the pinkie injury. Ever since that video about improving his footwork and becoming more like Brady in the pocket, he’s never been the same…

Belicheck?

Everything's looking up, Milhouse!

by accidental innuendo on Sep 21, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

amazing that......

even with 4 turnovers , we still had a chance to win the game at the end. I guess to me that is one silver lining.

Also, JG has to know that when Romo is obviously having a tough night and the ground game is working FOR CRYING OUT LOUD KEEP RUNNING UNTIL THEY PROVE THE CAN STOP IT!! You have the lead at mid field in the 4th quarter, NO NEED TO GET STUPID!!!!

by fiverings37 on Sep 21, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a wasted season, it's obvious wade did not change as he promised

big surprise/sarcasim

damning quote from jjt “This team is 11-10 in its last 21 regular-season games. Perhaps, it’s just an average football team”

Wade should have been fired last year, it’s ridiculous, that we have to sit through another mediocre 9-7/8-8 season.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't know about you

but I’m getting used to it. Beginning to think the 13-3 season was a fluke.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah

we’ll win 11. Dont fret

by fretman on Sep 21, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

what makes you say that?

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

No really

Its still a good team that can score points. We really did dominate most of that game

by fretman on Sep 21, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what has me worried most.....

we can dominate in so many areas, yet still find a way to blow it. Losing the turnover battle 4-0 and being in the game is unthinkable.

Yet, there we were… one defensive stand away from pulling out a most unlikely win… and nope, couldn’t do it.

by Road Warrior on Sep 21, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

dreamer

Tony Romo, BIG IN NAME, NO BIG GAME.

by Deke on Sep 21, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you see a really bad team deke?

Are the Giants that much better than us. Their D couldnt stop our run at all. Philly’s D got shredded. Washington is lookin like pop warner team. Arizona’s QB is 60. Green Bay lost to Cincy….Why not 11?

by fretman on Sep 21, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

+2

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

arent most of these debates?

by fretman on Sep 21, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, I had doubts about this team since training camp

When jimmy johnson ran camps, players complained, bad apples were weeded out. Wades “tough” camp was loved by all the players……….. That made me worry. any tough (tough discipline wise not hard hitting wise) will have a few bad, lazy players that aren’t worth *&(#. Their were none of those players. A miracle? hardly just a soft coach who is too nice to make his players respect him. Orlando Scantric vowed to “be better prepared” . There is an admission by a starting db that he wasn’t prepared. Wade did not have this team prepared. it was another camp with no accountability. Speaking of Scantrick, an example of our soft coach refused to name him as a starter despite clearly out playing Jenkins thus far. They both had bad games yesterday, but it’s ridiculous that you have to alternate starters cause you don’t want to hurt someone’s feelings. You can’t win with a head coach like that

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is what makes me doubt, see the trend?

1993 46 Denver Broncos NFL 16 9 7 0 .563 1 0 1 .000 3
1994 47 Denver Broncos NFL 16 7 9 0 .438 4
1998 51 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 10 6 0 .625 1 0 1 .000 2
1999 52 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 1 0 1 .000 2
2000 53 Buffalo Bills NFL 16 8 8 0 .500 4
2007 60 Dallas Cowboys NFL 16 13 3 0 .813 1 0 1 .000 1
2008 61 Dallas Cowboys NFL 16 9 7 0 .563

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions  

the 1998-99 teams were veterans left over from a life time of Marv levys coaching

much like the cowboys that won under switzer, most of the players were "taught, and had a routine established under a better head coach. a care taker can win for a while with a team like this, but as newer players enter the less disciplined system, the team breaks down. It’s hard to see it going in the other direction.
This was supposed to be the summer Wade changed and made players more accountable. Some players will discipline them selves (like witten) others need a strong authority figure to make them realize their full potential (like romo)
It’s not all doom and gloom, there are plenty of proven good head coaches jerry could work with out there, and it’d be nice to play in the superbowl………. in dallas

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly, had many of the same assistant coaches

including on defense, wade let them go, put his guys in and then went 9-7

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You just ignored

the MAJOR difference in our offensive philosophy rom 2006 to 2007 and a big change in 3-4 defenses. I’m not a huge wade defender, but to give zero credit to him for 2007 was crazy

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time to Get Shanahan, Cowher, Gruden, and Dungy all in for secret meetings that aint secret

We all like Stats………Raf loves KC Joyner for a reason……here’s a stat for you all………..Shanahan won TWO SUPER BOWLS the last time he replaced SOB also known as Wade Phillips. Hey Jerry and Stephen send the Lear or Citation or Gulfstream up and let Shanahan take a tour of the new stadium. Make sure Ed Turder or some other bspn mediots are there.

Cowher’s best asset is DICK LEBUEA………..get Lebuea cheaper than Bill.

Gruden………..Chuckie would gladly take the bucket and give the cow a lesson. I ain’t a big Gruden fan but he ain’t known to coddle.

Dungy…………..Tony is done and none of our personnel fits his Tampa 2………………I often call him the Landry of the league these days for his never get excited never let them see you sweat persona…………..I think he was a great coach but he ain’t a QB shrink…………………..

Charlie Weis will be available soon………………we could name Garret HC and pick up WEIS and CRENNEL……………..OC and DC.

NO SACKS and NO TURNOVERS thru two games………………we gotta get pressure……………BOBBY C was getting pushed around so bad when he was blitzing on 3rd………..i thought we had him on the field to cover???? Didn’t we lead the league in sacks last year………….I know we were close and around Leftwich all day but Manning was sacked 12 times in our two meetings last year…………..Hey WADE………B STEW was doing better than you……………

by Jon B. on Sep 21, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Where has Demarcus Ware been?

I guarantee if and when he signs that big contract, you will see him run around the field with reckless abandon. But for now, I think he is laying back. Playing hard here and there, perhaps not wanting to get hurt. I hope I’m wrong.

by TheCowboyFan on Sep 21, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

laying back?

I don’t know… why would you lay back if you are wanting a big contract? Every big play you make just makes the rate go up.

He was great against the run and decent in pass coverage… the sacks will come.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The difference between tony and eli...

Although I think tony is more gifted than eil as a QB, I think eli is a smarter QB who mangers the game.. as oppose to our so called gun slinger, who is clue less when it comes to the game situations and strategy.. It was evident that eli managed the game well and took what the defense gave him and our little tony wanted to win the game by himself and be a celebrity… Well it hasn’t worked before and doesn’t work now. I seriously think we could have won with Kitna, not because he is more gifted than tony, because he is SMARTER! Also, did you all noticed the strategy the giants used to attack us!! When everybody and their mothers thought giants will be running on us, he torched us with passing games.. now that’s smart coaching in their parts and crappy on ours. I am getting sick of tony saying I’ll do better every stinking time that he stinks up the game. We need back up QB to push this moron..

by CDR on Sep 21, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

what makes Tony more gifted that Eli?

I can’t stand Eli, but everything you said was correct, and it seems to me that a QB who is patient, takes what the defense gives, and manages the game is the more gifted QB that the one who… well, I don’t know what to say about Romo.

If you're so sure of what it ain't, how about telling us what it am!

by circa1015 on Sep 21, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry had to scroll to the end to see if the world had ended

Holy crap. Get a hold of yourselves. It was a single game. i just checked and they have 14 more on the schedule.

This feeding frenzy-hysteria is embarrassing.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Haha

I was just wondering when I’d see a post from you. I always enjoy your posts. You generally don’t rant.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think a lot more needed to be said on this one.

It was a bad loss. It was the same mistakes that we have seen over and over. It actually validated a lot of points that I have tried to make about this team over the offseason. But, man, sometimes I don’t want to be right.

They’ll get it together. There are 5 new starters on defense and a ton of new backups. It’s going to take a few games to get adjusted. I still think they need to work on some fundamental tackling issues. At least review the theories if you aren’t going to do drills.

The offense looked good. Romo just made some bad throws, as he is prone to do. When he plays well, we win, when he doesn’t, we lose. Tough loss.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's kind of what I thought.

And I apologize if I’m coming off as hypocritical.

But I guess I just don’t have an understanding of going crazy over a game.

I’m pissed too. The Eagles loss last year wasn’t as bad as this because Dallas HAD this game. I mean really, they had every oppotunity. I just like to take it one game at a time.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree and disagree.

This loss hurt more in the short term because we should have won, but I feel much better about the team than I did after the Eagles game. I was really questioning the talent and ability of this team after that game, and I’m really not doing that now. I’m much more hopeful of this team now than I even was after last week, honestly, and for sure more than after that Eagles disaster.

Even the players that didn’t look so talented last night, like our secondary, I know they have talent. Romo, I KNOW he has talent. I hope he is sincerely feeling the sting of this loss and not just paying lip service, because he has the ability to be elite, by just avoiding that last interception, as Raf said.

The one area that I am concerned about is the pass rush. I have never been that impressed with Spencer, and thus far, he’s not proving me wrong. Add our poor draft where we acquired zero quality backups, and then releasing Ellis, and it could be a long season.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

I think the Eagles loss was just over with so fast that it was like hopeless quickly.

It was like “really.. not even a fight?”

Where this one was closer to the Pittsburg game, in which you just felt like they were going to pull it out and then… psssh…. the air came out of the balloon.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope that they respond like they did after that loss.

When they kicked butt the next week. But this year, I hope that they keep it going.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said that?

Please show me the quote so I can retract it.

I said the hysteria over one bad game was over the top.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was agreeing with you.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't catch that at all

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you. I don't read other team blogs. Do fans there turn on their teams and

players two games into the season this way? Is there this much fury? Just curious.

by Fernie67 on Sep 21, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry Dunk

The world won’t end, until 12/21/2012

Still got a couple years to go crazy and burn through any retirement savings, or just run up a huge amount of debt.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where did that date come from??

I have a lot stuff to get done!!

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mayan calendar

and Nostradamus.

"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell

by GunsUp on Sep 22, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two sources I trust

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

They haven't been wrong in 5,000 years.

The Mayans, that is.

And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply ...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 22, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also the Hopi tribe predicted it

Galactic alignment.
Polar shift.

It’s amazing what you can learn about on The History Channel. I’m getting a head start on my underground bunker, Spam inventory, and water purification system.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 22, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I forgot about the Web Bot

Hilarious article.

I swear I didn’t see that before I mentioned Spam.

Ah, Nostradamus. No one else in history has caused more people to stockpile Spam in their bomb shelters.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 22, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

just saying it's a trend that has continued from last season

undisciplined sloppy play, players missing assignments, blowing coverages, missing gaps. I saw this all last year, don’t need to see a full season

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll say it once, I'll say it again.

You don’t have to watch the game. I’m not saying don’t be a Dallas fan, but you don’t have to watch.

No one forces you too, and so if you don’t need to see a full season and you know the outcome, why waste three hours of your life each week?

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

because a true fan watches whether they suck or dominate

only bandwagon fans turn it off when they suck. I’ve watched through landry era, jimmy johnson era, and the dark ages that followed. only a bandwagon fan would not watch.

I live around new orlean saint fans, so i know when something stinks, and i also know when a team has “it” like the jimmy johnson team. and this team smells funky. Don’t tell me to not watch just because you can’t handle reality.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what kind of fan

looks for all the bad in a game or a team and whines incessantly about every mistake?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's always the excuse

No, it’s called being a pessimist.

This was one game of 16. It’s not the end of the season. Your experiences from previous years mean nothing, for good or bad. This is new seaso, new opponents, new record.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

now your being silly.

Its not that they lost to a good team. Its that they gave the game away with sloppy play, the same sloppy play that lost several games last year. They, by their own admission, played poorly in a win last week. They, by their own admission, were not prepared to play this game on defense. This is the same sloppy, unprepared play that caused a disaster last year. It’s because the type of mistakes they needed to correct, the type of mistakes that caused wade to change his training camp continue. If your one of those, fans that Thought Dave Campo was going to take up to the playoffs in his second year more power to you. But just because some of us don’t wear rose colored glasses doesn’t mean we aren’t real fans. We are realistic fans.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

They played like hell

I get that. But predicting the rest of the season based on one bad performance is pessimism.

And it’s OK. Maybe this team deserve pessimistic fans. Just call it by it’s name.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

My reality...

is that the NFL is quite unpredictable.

Reality is that your spending alot of time pissing and moaning(I think I can say that.) about a football team. Your saying you know what’s going to happen but you are going to watch anyways.

I’m not telling you who to watch or when to watch them, guess I’m just saying if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Make sense?

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry.

that’s not directed really towards you, but it’s obvious alot of people are just fed up with not just the team, but the organization.

It’s like Raf said, you can choose fandom, no one is forcing anything on anyone.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well there are two types of fans

Those that are realistic, and those that think their team is going to the superbowl no matter what. Those that think their team is going to win the superbowl everyyear, don’t like hearing from realistic fans because they don’t want to deal with reality. That’s fine you don’t have to agree, but saying “you don’t have to watch” is like saying you can only watch the cowboys if you wear rose colored glasses.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

for the record

I believe this team would win the superbowl win jimmy johnson was head coach, and even in the early switzer years. there is a reason so many fans are skeptical, it’s because this team gives away too many games, its a trend that has continued from last season, not just this game. Tampa is an awful team, one of the worse teams in the nfl. We beat them but gave up 174 yds. And i mean gave, they didn’t blow us off the ball, players were just out of position. DBs didn’t cover. You can ignore that, and choose to believe that they will just all the sudden, “get it” and start playing well, but that belief isn’t based on anything factual

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

No...

I don’t think Dallas is going to win the SB every year, and I do NOT have rose colored glasses.

But I do realistically think that there isn’t a game on Dallas’s schedule that they can’t win. That doesn’t mean they will, but they have talent and they can.

I take it one game at a time.

If that makes me rosey, then wow.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a lot more than two types of fan

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree..

I was like “I guess I get left out,” because I do look for the positives and am probably labeled as a rose-colored glasses kind of guy, but in no way do I think the Cowboys are going to the Super Bowl every year. I think the last couple years we have had our chances, but to think the Super Bowl is some sort of birth right is silly and will lead to a lot of disappointment.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I need a pair of glasses like that.

Seriously, I need some red tinted glasses. The pair I have aren’t red enough, and I need them to help see a red laser in bright sunlight.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

not sure why a lot of guys here watch unless it’s because they look for the opportunity to tear players down and make dire predictions.

I hated last night’s performance, but the over-the-top, apocalyptic comments are just silly.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

In one game you can decide that?

Wow. Don’t get hurt as that knee jerks…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should really look up

pessimism. I think you might recognize it.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

pessimism is assuming the worst

a pessimist would say we are going to lose all of our games, a realist would say 9-7, an optmist says “This was one game of 16”

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice try but wrong

using your model, an optimist would say they would win all their games.

A realist would say – this was one game, they may or may not continue this trend of winning half their games.

You have already said you’re predicitng failure based on the past. Predicting failure is pessimism.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. Let's start with Romo. Cut him and

start Kitna. Or maybe McGee. Get rid of Scandrick and Jenkins and Spencer. Definitely T-New. Don’t forget those horrible safeties.

by Fernie67 on Sep 21, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

jimmy johnson cut curvin richards, a scrub rb

for not know which way to run in mop up duty in a game against the vikings, he cut another scrub for sleeping in a meeting. Cutting expendable players keeps people on their toes. Wade believes that you shouldn’t be cut after the season starts because your now “part of the team”

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply ...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 22, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um, right back at you?

Why play the season? Just award them the Lombardi Trophy now.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, did I say anywhere that they look like

Super Bowl champions? Show me. Unlike you, apparently, I’m not willing to write off this team, these players, and this season until I have to.

by Fernie67 on Sep 21, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where did I write them off?

Just because I have concerns about issues that have were present last season doesn’t mean that I gave up on the team. It was a frustrating loss, and guys are blowing off steam. Were you going through the threads last week and chastising people for celebrating the win?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's good. I have concerns, too.

Last week I expressed concern about the defense amidst all the celebrating. Just trying to keep it real. On both ends.

by Fernie67 on Sep 21, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right, we should celebrate the loss.

It’s so unreasonable to be upset that the team played poorly and lost. We should be happy about that.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

You surely do like to put words in people's mouths,

don’t you. Wallow in this all you want. I’m not at all happy about how things went last night, but I ain’t Chicken Little, and I don’t think the sky is falling. Yet.

by Fernie67 on Sep 21, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't that what you are doing?

By saying that people think the Cowboys won’t win anymore games and should just forfeit the season? I’m following your lead.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really. I'm asking questions, not putting

words in anyone’s mouth. The poster has already decided their record for the season. I wondered if we already know how it’ll end, why play. Not the same thing.

by Fernie67 on Sep 21, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is not a question, this is putting words in my mouth

 Just roll over now and declare
the season over. Forfeit.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely not...

Look up the terms “logical fallacy” and “mutually exclusive events”

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 21, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fist, that's like saying you don't have to come to this board.

I mean, you’re complaining about what you see here and criticizing other posters, so isn’t that the same thing?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Possibly right...

And you are probably correct, but I know that what I’m doing is just stupid. I got on here last night and was like “why the hell am I on here, I know it’s just going to be irritating.”

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

I should bag on this thread too.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you'd be much happier reading Mickey Spagnola

he writes with rose colored glasses. But beware, he LOVED quincy carter

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you kididing?

which of these trends hasn’t been here for the past 12 years? Name one.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly, and we haven't won a playoff gme for the last 12 years

I, personally, would like the team to play better, its not getting done under this coach

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or under the last four

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Patrcells, campo

all the same. So why pick on Wade?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 21, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

because he is the current head coach

we can’t fire Campo from being an ex head coach

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Campo's gonna lose his voice everyday this week.

And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply ...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 22, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

boo hoo.

It’s week 2. Nobody should have a definitive opinion about their team yet, especially not us. We lost to a good team in a division game, it happens to lots of good teams. Giving up on the season would be the punk way out.

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 21, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

A little ray of light

akin ayodele just gave up an 80 yd td pass to a big te

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

lol..

i am so glad we got rid of him…he was taking away playing time from barbie….

by thejanusman on Sep 21, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at a concert last night

so I didn’t get to watch the game yet, but this is kind of crazy. I’ve read all the accounts and seen some highlights, and yes Romo looked terrible and made poor decisions, but I wasn’t shocked at that. It happens to all quarterbacks. Tom Brady has thrown 4 picks in a game before. Eli Manning threw 4 picks in a game and 3 went for touchdowns. It happens and I was not shocked to see that. Disappointed yes, but not shocked. Nor was I shocked to see Eli Manning tearing up our secondary.

What I was shocked to see was how well we ran the ball and stopped the run. If we can continue that we will be able to beat any team in the league and, more importantly, be able to win late in the year. And seriously, it’s week 2. We have plenty of time and a decent schedule in front of us, things aren’t as bad as they might seem.

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 21, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I actually think...

you not watching the game helped. I will say that it definitly was a stinging game watching it.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 21, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Brady and Eli Manning are Super Bowl champions.

When Romo is one of those, I’ll accept the comparisons to those other guys. Drew Bledsoe, Quincy Carter, and Ryan Leaf have also thrown 4 interceptions in a game.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

just being realistic

How is it pessimistic? pessimist think the situation is worse than is really is. this is a very talented (on offense), underachieving 9-7 team. they have shown nothing but that. Where’s this great play you are basing your rose colored views on? On what basis do you believe they will start to play better?

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where in here did I talk about great play? I reserve judgment two

games into a season, just like I reserved judgment last night until hope was gone.. I’m not willing to declare it all over until it’s actually over.

by Fernie67 on Sep 21, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

and the original post was by a guy who skipped the openning game at cowboys stadium

to go to a concert….. the very definition of a casual fan. So, when some one that doesn’t care enough to watch that game, say hey hey everything is honky dorry, forgive me if i’m a bit skeptical of his opinion.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, you just can't say anything negative about the team

guess we should say, “wow, romo showed a lot of arm strength when he overthrew sam hurd for that interception.”

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really? I'm pretty sure I criticized the defense last week. Did it

again this week. Last night acknowledged Romo’s lousy play after that last horrible INT. Talked about Felix’s bad, bad fumble. Please, show me where I said you can’t be critical of the play last night.

by Fernie67 on Sep 21, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, you're reserving judgment until it's over...

And you seem to think that we should all be exactly like you, so that would mean that none of us should have anything good or bad to say until the season is over, right?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the bottom line

If the Head Coach doesn’t get these players better prepared than the last TWO games, better prepared than last years team, this team will go 9-7 and be out of the playoffs. Maybe Wade will start to fear for his job and start cracking the whip. The schedule until december is favorable and we should be at least 5-3 just by beating the teams were supposed to. but decembers schedule is brutal, and splitting the last eight game makes this team 9-7. This team HAS to be better prepared, and play better, They had effort, they didn’t quit, they just didn’t play with discipline and were out of position on too many plays.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

and this team has a history of discipline problems

people showing up late for the plane, pacman pulling down Campos shorts on camera, catching 7 balls at one time instead of practicing. so when several players, don’t play in the right spot or the right technique, don’t tackle well, after a supposed “tough” training camp, it’s a really bad sign.

by just4fun on Sep 21, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for showing up at BTB Just4fun

just to bitch about the team and question me as a Cowboys fan. Where were you the entire off-season?

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 21, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

We rushed for 250 yards.

That’s not something that happens a lot. I know we are supposed to keep our cool on this board but guys like you pop up and it pisses me off. Take your insults and crappy attitude to the Eagles board.

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 21, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

i havent bothered

reading past the first 10 comments or so, so i dont know if anyone else has brought this up. but to place all the blame on Romo for his interceptions last night is ridiculous. granted they were terrible decisions even though the pic6 looked to slip out of his hand, there is no way the loss was his fault. incase noone else has noticed our defense has 0 int’s and 0 sacks. there is no pressure getting to the QB’s and they are getting plenty of time to pick apart our zones. and if its not zones were running then our DB’s are getting beat terribly. not to mention allowing eli to dink and dunk his entire way to field goal range to win the game….shutting down the run this week was amazing. but last night i place the blame entirely on pass defense. they hit the big pass almost at will to keep their drives going. let me know what you think.

our pass defense is our biggest concern going forward as far as im concered especially with the passing teams we have to face this season. if it stays the same, someone like drew breese or mcnabb(hopefully he’s out all season:))….could put up huge numbers agaist us

by ltlryno on Sep 21, 2009 9:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Well...

If you are going to blame the D for allowing that many points, you also have to blame Romo for putting them in bad spots all night long. Likewise, if you give Romo credit for having the team ahead in the 4th quarter, you also have to give the D credit for keeping the Giants in check despite all of the turnovers. Don’t forget that the Cowboys offense gave up 7 of the 33, and including those 7, 24 of the points came after Dallas turnovers.

The Cowboys offense/special teams gave the Giants starts at the Dallas 27 and the 28. The Cowboys D only gave up one touchdown where the Giants had to drive more than 30 yards.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

OL did not played well

The Giants harressed Romo all night, who had no time to step into the pocket prior to the throw.

He was always moving left or right and not going forward, this mean he was throwing off balance and allowed the Giants more time to get to the passes

by a hay on Sep 22, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're you watching the right game?

The OLine was fine, Romo just missed some easy throws.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 22, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

no one has mentioed this critical decision

Situation – Cowboys lead, 14-13, 1st and 16 from their own 6. The Giants just had to use their last time out when Tuck got injured. 1:38 remaining. Why not just go to the half with the lead?

18 yard completion to Williams. Great! Except two plays later the Giants are operating on a short field and on their way to a TD. Yes – we did come back with a FG of our own, but that was a 4 point swing. We lost by how many?

Maybe it’s partially hindsight, but why be greedy with the ball on your own 6 so late in the half? A lot can happen – and did.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Sep 21, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions  

3 bad mistakes

I would call the 2nd int a bad mistake too

the Giants rush a safety, who slanted to Romo’s left side. Romo stepped right to avoid the sack, then try to throw accross the body to hit Witten, when his body was going the other way, it was a really low percentage play, if Witten did not touch it, it would have hit Phillips on the chest. That was not an unlucky play, that was a bad throw, he should have thrown it away

by a hay on Sep 22, 2009 12:35 AM CDT reply actions  

We're lucky this game was at home...

… If we play this way on the road against a quality team, they will hang 50 on us. Last year, week two, we barely survived Philly, only to get crushed down there, I see the same things happening this year. If we take this show on the road, we’ll get killed.

by BK Arsonist on Sep 22, 2009 7:43 AM CDT reply actions  

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