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"Romo Friendly?" That's the problem...

The big theme going into the season is how everything in the organization was public adjusted to make the team more Romo Friendly.  The thought was that it would provide Romo with what he needed to be successful, but it might prove to do the exact opposite...


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On the surface it seems like a smart thing to do.  Put your QB in the best possible place to be successful.  But last night, we saw the number one problem with many of the Cowboys and that starts with Romo.  Tony knows he could go out against Carolina next week and throw 5, 10, heck 15 interceptions and there would be NO consequences.  He could go to the post game podium and be contrite and promise to do better, then do the exact same things again.  isn't this what we have seen from him over and over again?

I like Romo, and I want him and the team to do well.  That's why the very best thing you can do for Romo is the next time he has a really bad interception in a game is to tell Kitna to start warming up.  You let Tony know that if he continues to make bad plays, that he WILL be sitting on the bench until he can find a way to fix it.  HE DOES NOT PLAY LIKE HIS JOB IS ON THE LINE.

If Tony REALLY thought his job was on the line, do you think he would be taking chances to go deep on first down from the Giant's 47 when you have the lead in the 4th quarter and your running game is playing huge?  He plays like exactly what he is, a young guy that has absolutely no fear of losing his job.  He's out there just having fun.

Last year, what happened when McNabb was playing badly?  Andy Reid benched him and it turned around Philly's season.  McNabb was a different player (even if it was because he was angry.)

This year, Delhomme was benched in the first game for throwing picks.

Think about it, two QB's that have led their teams to Superbowls were benched for ineffective play.  If Donovan McNabb can be benched for a half then Romo definitely can.  The Eagles only had Kevin Kolb as a backup but Andy Reid wanted to send a message that bad QB play would not be accepted no matter who you are.

If Romo truly thought his job was on the line, it would make him think twice about some of the throws he makes.  Some say that's stifling his creativity.  I'm fine with that.  It's that "creativity" that gets him into trouble.

The play of the game in the Jet/Pats matchup was in the 4th quarter when Mark Sanchez spun out of a sack and saw someone streaking downfield.  Instinctively, he cocked his arm to throw, but realizing that they were winning the field position battle and that his defense was playing really well, he pulled the ball back in, covered it up, and fell on it.  Freaking brilliant.  I mentioned that to a Jets' fan friend of mine and he said "You're absolutely right.  The only way the Pats win that game is a big mistake and Sanchez wouldn't give it to them."

That is exactly the kind of play I have NEVER, EVER, seen Romo make.  That's the kind of play that wins games.  Sometimes, falling down is the best play in football.

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You are dead on

If I was the head coach of this team , Romo would been told after the game he’s being benched for the next game for Kitna to send a message to romo that this is not going to be tolerated anymore, but the problem is that Jerry Jones wouldn’t allow it, hence that’s the problem with this team, Jerry is calling too many of the shots.

I watched the Jets game and I remember that Sanchez play vividly and said at the time, what a smart play that was for a rookie quarterback, not to heave it and risk an INT giving the Pats a short field.

Romo started last season playing smart in the Cleveland game, throwing the ball away when pressured, but quickly reverted back to his old gunslinging ways in the Philly game

Tony Romo, BIG IN NAME, NO BIG GAME.

by Deke on Sep 21, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're nuts

As bad as Romo played, without him we have nothing. Kitna is NOT the answer. That guy fumbles at least one snap per game and at his best has not looked as good as Romo on an average day.

Ok, so he threw a bad Pick 6. The Witten INT was a bad pass, yes, but how often does that INT actually happen? I bet less than 10 times in all of the history of football. It was just a ridiculously unlucky play. Then the third pick was bad, but honestly, I don’t think he saw the safety. I mean the guy was probably 30 yards deep before the snap came. Hurd also blocked him from view on his route if you watch the replay from Tony’s perspective. That’s just another unfortunate break.

Tony can definitely improve, but let’s be realistic here. He is never going to sit on the bench, and benching him would only make him worse I think. Can you imagine the media scrutiny? It would out anything T.O. has ever done to shame. That’s the quickest way to make your team completely uncomfortable and start worrying about answering Romo bench questions every single day multiple times instead of preparing for the next opponent.

As bad as Romo played, we still only lost by 2 points! The defense makes a stop on the Giants’ last drive and we’re talking about a huge win here!

Relax. If you don’t like Romo, find a new team, because he’s not going anywhere.

by Key19 on Sep 21, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

response

Even though your post wasn’t directed at me, I will respond to a few of your points:

"As bad as Romo played, without him we have nothing. Kitna is NOT the answer" Well, you are probably correct in that Kitna is not the long-term answer. However, when Romo is playing like he did Sunday evening, there is a reasonable chance that Kitna would give us a better chance to win that particular game. But you are missing the bigger point. Benching Romo isn’t about winning that particular game. It is about sending a message in no uncertain terms that his continued gunslinger, devil-may-care approach to playing the game must change.
  
"Tony can definitely improve, but let’s be realistic here. He is never going to sit on the bench, and benching him would only make him worse I think." If you are correct in that "Romo would never sit on the bench and that benching him would only make him worse" ….well, that is a very valuable piece of information. I certainly don’t want the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys to be so mentally immature, fragile and insecure that he won’t stand for sitting on the bench. There is huge value in seeing his reaction to being benched. Does he pout, blame others and go crying to Jerry Jones and the media? Would he even care at all? Or does he man up, admit he is wrong, finally get it through his thick skull that his current style of playing quarterback is a losing proposition, and set out to change.

Can you imagine the media scrutiny? It would out anything T.O. has ever done to shame. That’s the quickest way to make your team completely uncomfortable and start worrying about answering Romo bench questions every single day multiple times instead of preparing for the next opponent." Well, it worked for the Eagles last season and has worked for many teams in the past. Are you saying the Cowboys are so poorly run and are comprised of players who are so distracted by other things that they couldn’t even manage to focus on the task on hand? If you are, that is also pretty damning analysis. Again, there is huge value to seeing how the team reacts. This has been a very unfocused and mentally weak team over the past years. Upsetting the apple cart and then closing ranks to bring the team together might be a huge plus. Or, if the team falls completely into disarray, then management knows for sure that wholesale changes are needed next offseason.

“Relax. If you don’t like Romo, find a new team, because he’s not going anywhere.” First, I’m so sick of bloggers thinking their opinions are so correct that anyone who disagrees with them or offers constructive criticism isn’t worthy of being a fan of the Dallas Cowboys. Cheering for a particular team is a personal choice…having the chutzpah to tell another blogger who you almost certainly have never met to go find another team is rude, arrogant, condescending and childish. Second, unless you are Jerry Jones posting under a double secret name, you simply cannot know that Romo isn’t going anywhere. If his play continues to degrade, he may very well be playing for another team next season.

Finally, a few comments of my own. It is disappointing that a significant number of bloggers are still rationalizing and accepting of the way the team in general, and Tony Romo in particular, plays. Sunday night didn’t change or reveal a doggone thing. This pattern of inconsistent play has been consistent since the day Tony Romo took over for Drew Bledsoe. It wouldn’t be surprising at all to see Romo come out and have a huge game next weekend. But nobody should be fooled by that. Likewise, nobody should be surprised when Romo turns in a few more of these clunkers before Thanksgiving and then really falls apart when the playoff run sets in come December. That is the consistent pattern we have seen and there really isn’t a logical reason to think it is going to change anytime soon. The huge structural problem of how Tony Romo plays the position of quarterback remains the same.
  
The author of this fan post commented on the brilliant play by Sanchez last weekend. How very true. Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Flacco…….rookies and first year players who understand how to play quarterback in the NFL far better than Tony Romo, who has had seven seasons (seven!) to figure this game out. Romo is about gaudy stats and maximizing his media exposure. His laid back camera personality with that awe-shucks attitude and ridiculous hat on backwards screams unprofessional and immature. News flash to Tony: you’re not in college anymore…..you’re all grown-up! Well at least all grown-up physically. It’s time to grow up mentally and stat acting like a mature man and a leader.

The other quarterbacks I mentioned above are about winning. And that really gets down to the most basic problem of all: Tony Romo isn’t a winner. He is an exciting player to watch and has a ton of ability, all of which I could care less about. I want the Dallas Cowboys to win playoff games and win Super Bowls. There are a host of quarterbacks out there who would give Dallas a better chance of that happening this season. Unfortunately, none of them are currently on our roster so we are indeed stuck – yes, stuck – with Romo for the remainder of 2009. I hope Jerry Jones has ordered his scouting department to make the quarterback position Priority Number One this college football season, with all other areas of focus a distant second.

by Cowboy.Louie on Sep 23, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   3 recs

Louie!

Where have you been?

Good to see you back and posting.

One comment, though…

Romo IS mentally immature. That is evident in a lot of his on-field and off-field choices.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's ridiculous

but you already knew that.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

that wearing your hat on backwards is a sign of immaturity or unprofessionalism, but I get your point.

by Boyz4Life on Sep 23, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Louie

good write – dude

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

Lot’s of talk and not too much substance…

It’s hilarious that you call out the poster for assuming things and then you say “Romo is about gaudy stats and maximizing exposure.” Seems like you would have to ask him that for it not to be an assumption.

Honestly dude, since you called for Kitna being this team’s QB before training camp, I don’t know how too many people can honestly believe in your analysis of the QB position.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 24, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

I called for an open competition at quarterback position before training camp. That is a huge difference from calling for Kitna to be the starter. And I was correct. The competition might have done Romo some good. And there is still a possibility that this team would be better with Kitna under center. I think we will find out before the season is through.

Tony Dorsett was correct. Romo has been made out to be a star when he is nothing of the sort. He is an average quarterback who is regressing as his career plays out. Team have figured him out. Unless he changes the way he plays quarterback, we are in store for a long, frustrating season.

by Cowboy.Louie on Sep 25, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can that be a possibility

when Kitna has proved throughout his career that he just as turnover prone as Romo, if not more so, that statement simply doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

You talk as if Kitna is a game manager type who is very smart and careful with the football and nothing could be further from the truth as Kitna’s record proves as much.

If the qb position this season was really an open competition, I think Romo would have won hands down and it wouldn’t have affected his two performances this year.

Romo is a very good qb, mistake prone, sure, but he has proven he is very good the last three years. Average qbs don’t put up three consecutive years of a qb rating over 90. If Romo was really average qb, there is no way the Cowboys make the playoffs in 2006 or 2007 or even have a chance on the last day in 2008. There are too many flaws on this team and when Romo is on his game, he masks a lot of those flaws.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 25, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good read

thanks, that was an interesting article. I wish my assessment was as positive as Jimmy’s. We’ll see this season

by Cowboy.Louie on Sep 25, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of the reason why mine isn’t sometimes is not because of Romo. I don’t think these current coaches know how to handle him, and obviously they don’t know how to be successful in big games or in the playoffs.

For many years Bill Cowher used to try to outsmart other teams in the playoffs by changing up his offensive game plan from what his team had been doing all year to something else. I’m not saying that’s what the Cowboys are doing, but the idea of just scaling back a little and letting their talent win out seems like a winner for this team. Why not start out games with more of the vanilla dink and dunk offense that the Cowboys used so well in the preseason? That would give Romo a chance to get into the groove and get his confidence going, while still scoring points and not going 3 and out over and over. In bigger games, stick with it a little longer.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 25, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cowboys did start out "dink and dunk"

The first play that was NOT “dink and dunk” was during our 6th Possession on offense.

First Possession:
1) Dink pass left to Barber (5 yards)
2) Run Barber right (3 yards)
3) Dink pass short middle to Bennett (inc)
4) Punt

Second Possession:
5) Run Jones right (4 yards)
6) Dink pass short right to Witten (3 yards)
7) Dink pass short right to Choice (3 yards)
8) Dink pass short left to Witten (8 yards)
9) Run Barber right guard (-1 yard)
10) Run Choice left tackle (5 yards)
11) Run Barber left end (he broke it for 27 yards)
12) Dink pass short left to Bennett (11 yards)
13) Run Barber up the middle (2 yard Touchdown)

3rd Possession:
14) Dink pass short middle to Bennett (inc)
15) Dink pass short right to Williams (inc)
16) Dink pass short right intended for Crayton (Intercepted – pick 6)

4th Possession:
17) Run Barber right tackle (9 yards)
18) Run Barber right tackle (3 yards)
19) Dink pass short middle to Austin (broke it for 20 yards plus 15 yard penalty)
20) Run Crayton right end on a reverse (20 yards)
21) Run Barber left tackle (no gain)
22) Run Barber up the middle (no gain)
23) Dink pass short right to Witten (1 yard Touchdown)

5th Possession:
24) Dink pass short middle for Witten (inc)
25) Run Jones left tackle (no gain)
26) Run Choice up the middle (3 yards)
27) Punt

6th Possession:
28) DEEP PASS to Crayton for 36 yards (called back on Adam’s tripping Tuck)

The 28th play from scrimmage was the FIRST ONE that actually was not a short pass or a run, and it came with 1:46 left in the 1st half.

So really, until the 2 minute warning before half-time, the Cowboys ran “dink and dunk” on every play.

by BishopWest on Sep 25, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I guess that Jimmy’s solution might not work then.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 26, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Baked.....lets focus on the basics, and then expand when appropriate..

Run the ball, open up the play action, then hit em deep when there.

by My_2_Cents on Sep 27, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article

You read all the time from fans that Jimmy would bench him or b**** slap him or whatever. Sounds like Jimmy would do what he always did with his most talented players – figure out how to get the best from him.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 25, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a good article and it makes as much sense to me

as BPs 10 things QB guide. Really, just scale back what is asked of him. It is also true that in these big games its the guy making fewer mistakes that wins. Somebody needs to send this to the Cowboys brain trust.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Sep 25, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article.

And that really shows why Jimmy was such a successful coach – he was great at it. I hope someone forwards that article to Coach Phillips and Coach Garrett, because it sounds like good advice, and obviously Jimmy would know what he’s talking about.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 25, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Happy to see someone from a former Cowboys team stick up for

the guy in the midst of this feeding frenzy. Like someone else said, copy and paste that link and send it to Phillips and Garrett.

by Fernie67 on Sep 25, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all, I am pretty sure I recall your Kitna rhetoric to be a bit stronger, but if I misread I apologize.

However, there is no way that you can know you were correct (especially since you are basing that on one game). And honestly, there is no way I can know that it would have had no effect. Logically though, I believe it makes the most sense to assume that it wouldn’t have helped. I say this not only because I believe Tony to be vastly superior to Kitna, but because Kitna upon arriving said he planned on being the backup and by all accounts Tony smoked him in training camp anyways. I just don’t see how opening a competition would have helped since Kitna himself didn’t see the potential for one. If the differential is that obvious, I hardly see how an open competition would have helped.

And by the way, Romo was not made a star out of nothing. He was made a star because he came out of nowhere to put up, by all accounts, pro bowl numbers in the second half of that season (2006). Then, the next year, he topped himself and lead the Cowboys to the playoffs while getting another pro bowl nod. That is not nothing. In fact, that is quite a lot. If you can’t figure that out, then I don’t know if we will ever agree on anything with regards to the QB situation.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 25, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we may yet agree

I think by the end of this season we may agree on the QB situation. Romo may prove me wrong….or, maybe he will continue down this current path and you may reach a point where you have had enough and come around to my perspective.

Regarding ‘being a star’, I believe guys who earn the right to be called a star are those players who play their best on the big stage. Romo, to this point, has pretty much been the opposite. The start of this season reflects his career: put up big numbers against an inferior opponent but then when the division champs come to town, to open up our brand new stadium, he chokes. With a few exceptions, I expect the same crap to play out this season. Win the easy games but lose the big ones.

by Cowboy.Louie on Sep 26, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not correct

He has performed well against excellent teams as well. The record is replete with them. You conveniently choose to forget those.

What he has had trouble with is staying consistent at the end of the season. We’ll see if he can correct that this season.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 26, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point on Media

this is Americas team and the most valueble franchise in sports and to the media we are free dinner, anything good or bad… When romo threw 3 touchdowns and no INT’s… i couldnt turn a sports channel without seeing romo.. and the same when we lost to the giants. But now instead of phrase he was getting scurned… he should get used to it, it is how the media is.

So to the point of benching Romo… Stupid… he hasnt went to the nfc championship 4 years in a row and never won a SB… so its unfair to compare him to Mcnabb. And if Wade would bench him the media would have a field day and eat the cowboys alive. We dont need another year of distractions like we had last year… We are a very talented team who just hasnt played up to par yet..

by Don Ye on Sep 23, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"As bad as Romo played, we still only lost by 2 points"

I think that is the concern. You saw a good effort derailed by sloppy QB play. IF one of those turnovers ends up a FG, the Cowboys win the game.

I still have confidence in Romo based on past performance. But if this continues, perhaps Kitna will give the Cowboys a better chance to win.

Do not worry. (Matthew 6:27)

by mikey p on Sep 23, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're gonna threaten romo

by pulling him for a qb whose even more turnover prone and couldn’t even handle snapping the ball this preseason??…That makes tonnnnnnnns of sense.

McNabb being benched for a half could’ve very well cost the Eagles their season. They needed us to blow a game against pitt, lose in our home closer to baltimore, and they needed the bucs to lose a bunch at the end including at home to the RAIDERS. The decision to bench McNabb was one of the dumbest i’ve seen unless they truly thought Kolb could handle the load, which they obviously didn’t think considering McNabb was back there the next week.

One game could very well be the difference between playoffs and staying home. Are you gonna risk that one game being lost becaue you decided to bench your starting qb?

If Romo continues to play this poorly, there will be changes, you can count on it. But teams will stick 8 in the box and laugh at us as we try to throw to wrs who don’t get enough separation for a qb like kitna to throw to.

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Andy Reid

…who I consider the best coach in the NFC, took that risk. It worked out okay for them.

To do something like that takes STONES. The kind that Winnie just doesn’t have.

We’ve become a finesse team, from the players to the coaches to the front office and maybe even to the fans. Benching Romo is a Parcellsian or Jimmy Johnson-esque kind of act. We’re just not that gutsy.

I will say this, though…

To bench Romo now is too risky. Not because of how the team might perform, but I continue to question Romo’s mental toughness. I have no confidence whatsoever that benching him would have the desired outcome.

If he were to get benched, I believe Romo might just cave in on an emoptional level and become Matt Leinart. I don’t want to do that to our 67-million dollar baby until we run out of other options.

Now, the flipside of that argument is that Kitna comes in and pulls a Kurt Warner/Trent Dilfer and leads the team to a much better place.

My stance is that, and it took me a while after the game to get here, Romo has a lot more football in him (some good, some not) and if he had a firmer guiding hand than the one Garrett and Wilson seem to be providing (Shanahan or Holmgren anyone?), he might get the kind of coaching he needs to improve.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

too that risk>?

He benched McNabb cause McNabb was playing awful football. When Romo plays so bad we tie the Bengals because of our pathetic passing offense, I will be all for benching him.

and seriously. Your bias against this guy is so ridiculous obvious, you always see the negatives when it comes to Romo. In the seattle game, he made as big a mistake as any player could make…did he emotionally collapse? no, he came back stronger. DId his play decline in early 2008 after the Cabo criticism garbage? no.

Romo is sure as heck going through a tough time right now. Hes had as many bad games in last last 6 as he did in his first 35 or so. You’re just gonna give up on him? Thank god owners don’t let their fans run the team.

by foyesboys on Sep 23, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always love those comments because they completely ignore the

fact that for Tony to be the QB, he had to work extremely hard since he was an undrafted free agent and the team had no incentive outside of what he showed on the field to keep him.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 24, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention

the franchise has had a really, really long hard look at him before they ever paid him, let alone made huge moves in the ff-season (like dumping Oqwens) to make the team fit him better.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 25, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's unfair to group all of our players under the 'finesse' label so easily

Our linemen on both sides are some of the toughest in the game, our front seven just shut down Earth & Fire, and Barber and Witten go without saying. Now Romo, our WR’s, and our secondary remain to be seen, but those aren’t the positions you normally think of when calling a team ‘finesse.’

by Joon on Sep 23, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought I would share this with you since we were talking about Romo's accuracy

…and how being very close could turn into a tipped ball.

Since we were on the heels of (get it?) that topic, I found this pertinent.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/9/14/1030284/quick-hits-on-the-tampa-game

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it worked

but the bottom line is they were VERY fortunate they didn’t miss the playoffs because of that loss.

I guess 1 series is one thing…but that being said, kitna struggled so much i wouldn’t be comfortable putting him in.

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't have benched him for the game like Reid did.

But sometimes a player needs a second to regroup. It might have helped Romo to watch a series from the sideline and see what the Giants were doing.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 21, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not a horibble idea

but it depends on the qb…we really have no idea how Romo would react….but if we see early hes having one of those games, I wouldn’t complain if Wade tried it for a series.

by foyesboys on Sep 21, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No it's not a horrible idea

but QB is a confidence-driven position. you’d have to know your QB would handle it the way you meant it to be handled. Cutler would resent it and probably stop playing for that coach. McNabb was outraged and they almost lost him in Philly over it, but he has a… ummm…. healthy ego, so it didn’t imapct his confidence.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Romo would handle it well

I’ve come around on this idea, if we see hes having problems, and its not in a situation where we absolutely need him, I’m all for sitting him for a series.

by foyesboys on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

This is a kid who doesn’t come from a big time college program, didn’t get drafted and has been berated by the media about his higher-than-average public personna.

No way do I think he takes this in a constructive way.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blings, do you think...

he would take anything constructive from Garrett? I fear Garrett has lost him, and to be quite honest with you, I don’t think it served the Cowboys well to have a split personality at head coach (Phillips/Garrett). Alot of Cowboy fans are in denial about the coaches, I’m not though. I’ve seen enough from Garrett, and he is the real culprit in my opinion. If a new coach comes in, and Romo gets threatened with his job, you better believe THAT will get his attention and make him react. Please don’t react as though Garrett is fine, because he’s not. I place blame on him because it his job to control Romo, and he doesn’t. He lets him throw free and unchallenged, and that’s why I say Garrett has lost control of the situation. First of all, to think that the Cowboys pass offense is unstoppable is wrong. They put up good numbers, but they can’t complete the passes that are important during critical games. This should make any offensive coordinator pause and pull back on the reigns (especially with THIS stable of running backs), but not Garrett.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Where do you get that no one

challenges Romo on bad throws?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that

against this same team, we seem to keep doing the same thing, (even when we win), over and over again. Can anyone step up to the plate, hold Romo accountable, and show him that the turnovers are not acceptable? We are talking about Garrett’s job, are we not Dunk?

Obviously, even if he is being challenged, it’s not having an effect. That’s why the offensive coordinator should have not made a call like that. He just shows his blind adoration for the pass, and his inexperience.

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by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen him be challenged?

Have you ever seen any coach go over to Romo after one of those plays and tell him flat out. DO NOT DO THAT AGAIN.

Nope.

They just sit with him and look at pictures or he sits alone on the bench.

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't sit in their meetings

so no. How about you moon?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well if they are challenging him

He sure as heck isn’t listening to them so he must be hard headed, no?

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

That’s yet anouther assumption. You keep supposing that all of his mistakes are caused by a personality flaw. That’s probably the least likely scenario since the Owner/GM has invested big money in him, turned the team over to him, and the HC and OC have their careers riding on him. Unlike fantasy land, these are business decsions and they try really hard not to put all their eggs in a basket with a broekn handle.

Most likely scenario is that Romo is attempting to avoid mistakes but when things get confused he “plays too fast” as Parcells once termed it.

You know it’s perfectly OK to believe that Romo simply won’t be able to make his game “safer” with ascribing some serious personality defect to it. My dad was terrible at softball but he’s a great guy.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

great point

Fans assume that Romo committs TOs because he’s dumb or hard headed, I think the opposite is the case.

Romo plays the game very fast, makes his reads very fast and thinks and reacts really fast which ultimately leads to poor throws and decisions at times.

Romo will never be P Manning or Tom Brady so fans should stop expecting him to be something he is not.

It’s perfectly okay that he is a very good qb who tries to be great but isn’t quite there yet. If that isn’t good enough for some fans, then they just have to learn to deal with it.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 23, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

“Most likely scenario is that Romo is attempting to avoid mistakes but when things get confused he "plays too fast" as Parcells once termed it.”

I agree!

by Boyz4Life on Sep 23, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a great post. Some of the personal attacks

on the guy are disturbing. How many people on this board actually know Romo well enough to judge his character?

by Fernie67 on Sep 24, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I undersatnd it really

it’s as if it’s not enough that a player didn’t perform well. It has to be chalked up to bad behavior or sloth so they can REALLY be mad at him. I like the criticisms I read from Raf and Grizz because they focus on the problem, not the person.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 25, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. He deserves criticism, as do other

players, for what happened last weekend. But some of the comments here and elsewhere come off as personal dislike and even hate, all of it directed at one person; it’s scapegoating at its worst. If they replaced Romo tomorrow, it still wouldn’t fix everything that’s going wrong at the moment. Yes, Romo cost them, but I also keep seeing rationalizations for the defense, making that all Romo’s fault, too. Funny that Indy managed to win, and their defense was on the field for 45 of the 60 minutes of the game. A whole bunch of others didn’t get the job done either. Romo was just the most obvious.

by Fernie67 on Sep 25, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no doubt that the defense

was equally to blame for that loss, I put it on both Romo and the defense, they were both culpable.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 25, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your post just got rec'd by an Eagles fan...

which means it was darn good. No QB in the NFL should be guaranteed to be the starter every week. I do believe Romo will snap out of it at least until week 12. haha…

Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.

by Route36 on Sep 25, 2009 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that doesn't tell you something awful about your post

you will never get it…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 25, 2009 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 25, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Garrett is not overly passionate

…and Tony needs someone like a Sparano or a David Lee to say, “WHAT THE ^%# WERE YOU THINKING?!?” sometimes.

I’m distraught over the fact thatthis has been Tony’s problem and he doesn’t seem to be maturing and evolving as a QB.

The position is one that involves so much more than athleticism. It’s the most cerebral position on the team and tests one’s decision making like no other. Watch Manning last night. Romo is 10 times the athlete that Peyton is. But Peyton is much more cerebral and aware in his approach to the game.

I do NOT think the problem is Garrett. I think Jason called the right plays at the right times, but Romo checks out of them. Case in point, he doesn’t see Pierce pulling out of an overload blitz and throws a PIC 6. What is Jason going to do? When Romo sat down with him after the play, you could see that Romo didn’t adjust his pre-snap read and cursed himself out loud for missing it.

Last year, Wade had to take more control of the D. I could see something similar happen soon with Jason and the O.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What could Jason do?

Come on blings, you know what he could do. Think, man. With that stable of running backs, some of us out here have actually thought the term “Romo friendly” meant using the running backs MORE and correctly. Not giving Romo the right to continue doing what he’s been doing to loose games.

Unfortunately, I think Jason has not helped his situation at all by not considering that his agressive pass playcalling is not serving his purpose in the long run. Please envision, like I have, wondering what Jason Garrett would say to himself 30 years from now after football if someone asked him that if he had a chance to do it all over again, what he would do different. I already know what he would say- “I had that stable of running backs, and I didn’t use them correctly. I would run more, that’s for sure.” The problem is, that will not help us now.

If what you believe does happen Blings, then that would only further validate my belief that this team, right now, is designed to run the ball down peoples throat, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. To totally ignore that possibility is a true tragedy for the fans of the Dallas Cowboys.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to understand play calling is part science and part art

If Garrett calls a pass play that he thinks will create matchup problems for the defense and the defense happens to blitz at the right time or drop back into coverage at the right time, it is the job of the QB to be an extension of the OC on the field and make good decisions on the fly.

That’s NOT a Garrett issue and constantly blaming him is just an example of finger pointing in the wrong direction.

It is the demonstrated inability of Tony Romo to make good choices when things don’t go exactly the way they drew it up.

The Cowboys ran for a ton of yards against a good defense and calling 3 runs and punting the ball back to Eli doesn’t make the outcome any different. I don’t mind aggressive play calls as long as the QB knows the game situation and doesn’t constantly make critical mistakes like the ones Romo does.

Again, it is NOT a Garrett issue.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind...

agressive playcalls either- I prefer them. But something has to happen. Even you blings probably can’t deny to yourself the fact that this kind of risky play has to stop when we play the Giants.

I think when you described that you are distraught over the seeming stagnant feeling at QB points to something- conservative play. If Garrett knows what he is doing, he will NOT call a pass play and make Romo earn that kind of a call in that situation. If Garrett made that call which ended up as an interception by Phillips, then Garrett has not coached correctly, or playcalled for that matter. How many game mistakes llike that must you see before some sort of change in at least philosiphy is imposed on this free pass at OC and QB?

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every pass play is risky, by definition!

The key is having your players be heady enough to lower the risk factor by making good decisions.

The play had people running routes at multiple depths on the field and Romo delivered the ball to the wrong guy.

Period.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree.......

you can’t blame Garrett for this. If the play had worked, everyone would be praising Romo and saying what a stud he was blah blah blah. It is his job to access the on-field situation. He should have seen the safety back there before the snap since apparently the safety was pretty much doing that the whole game from what I have heard. The part that concerns me about all of this Romo talk, is it “APPEARS” that he can’t take pressure in front of the big stage. Look at all the big games that he has choked in (1) Pitt (2) Ravens (3) Philly (4) Giants.

I know that I will get blasted for bringing this up but look at Romo for what he is: By no means am I a Jessica lover, in fact I can’t stand her, but this is the same guy that dumped her the night before her big Birthday bash, leaving her looking pretty bad. Would you call that a classy person? Kinda cheap if you ask me. My point is, Romo appears to be the kind that when things get tough, he will bail on you. So how does this relate to football? Will he bail on the Boys? Does he have the guts to stick thru it when things go bad instead of just sitting on the sidelines pouting? Those are the questions that I’m asking.

by texstar on Sep 23, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points Texstar, but

We All are forgetting one thing. Regardless of whether Romo doesn’t want to learn, can’t stop his mistakes, or if Garrett is not coaching well, or even if he is coaching him well, the responsibility falls on Garrett (in my opinion). Alot of people have voiced they’re opinion that I am wrong at putting responsibility on Garrett. I still haven’t heard one thing that has deflected responsibility from Garrett. It may not be fair, it may be wrong, and it may probably be a travesty of justice. Blings, Bishop, Aussie, and many others have argued that I am wrong to bring Garrett into the forefront as the problem. I still haven’t heard one person give an explanation as to why Garrett is not responsible. No one taking responsibility for Romo’s carelesness is a symptom of bad coaching of him. I guess I’ll have to take Blings advice, figure it’s not Garrett, and await some sort of reaction to Tony’s game by Tony himself. Only then will I see that some coaching on him has been done, and that it has had some effect. Up to now though, I have had my doubts, they are well founded, and the reaction to Tony now by this coaching staff will be the story of the rest of the season.

When we see Tashard Choice now run the ball with success, I want someone to tell me why Garrett (not Tony) pulls away from the run at his first opportunity and committs disaster again. And then when everyone here tells me that it’s Tony, not Garrett again, I will refer you to this post. The pulling away from a monstrous run game to throw ill-advised passes can’t go on forever, even with people that disagree with that.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You haven't heard one thing to deflect responsibility from Garrett

OK – here’s your one thing

1) Garrett did not throw the ball

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he SHOULD have!

He would have thrown it away.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay Bishop...

By you continuing to advocate that Garrett is not responsible, he didn’t throw the ball, etc., are you by chance trying to say Romo has to go? Are you saying he is not a good enough quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys, and that Romo’s gotta go? Because if it is, if that is your point of view, then right there your reason you gave up above don’t count even if it was a legitimate reason (which it aint). Why you ask?

I’ll give you TWO reasons (not one)

1. Aint gonna happen
2. Aint gonna happen

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by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't actually said that "Romo has to go"

However, his gunslinging ways, and high risk factor need to go.

And if it doesn’t go by the end of this year – I’m all for finding a better QB.

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Since when do UFA’s get coddled? The answer of course is that they don’t.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 24, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol..ok guy...he's treated like a world wide celebrity..yet hasn't done a damn thing to deserve it...

IT’S NOW SHOW UP OR SHUT UP FOR HIM..Another performance like the one last sunday will put him in the class of J Delhomme, Bulger, Hassleback, Girrard, and any other better days are in the past, and will be soon lose his luster…..

by My_2_Cents on Sep 25, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His first three years he got treated like a guy

about to be cut at any moment. Would have been cut if Quincy weren’t such a dumb a**.

He doesn’t get to choose how the world views him or treats him. But world class celebs don’t stop and help a couple change a tire or take a homeless guy to the movies.

He’s been showing up. He’s done phenomenally well in his short starting career. He needs to do better to take that next step. And guess what? He already knows that. So do his coaches. Just because they have the class to handle business behind closed doors doesn’t mean they aren’t trying.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 25, 2009 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly I don't need all the caps...

But seriously, his two pro bowls are definitely something that gets you some fame (not to mention the fact that he is the QB of the highest profile team in America). I know you agree since you said that Ryan, Flacco, and Rodgers “will be perennial pro bowlers,” as proof of their superiority to Romo down the line. So obviously, you put stock in the pro bowl, but yet you omit the fact that Tony has been there twice.

Basically, this is just another contradiction of the whole anti-Tony sentiment in the Dallas fanbase.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 25, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First of all...I'm not anti-Tony, as I own 2 of his jerseys, and was adorned by his early play just like everyone else..

But I expect progress, not regress, and he has simply regressed from his 07 season, and i don’t think that can be questioned. I personally don’t put any stock into “pro-bowl” recognition and haven’t watched the game in over 15 years. I simply mentioned the others as pro bowl caliber (as in recognized, and affirmed as one of thee elites), as I can see “progression” in the games in all aforementioned players. I have total confidence in Romo’s abilities, and his physical attributes, and I know he dedicates himself, and aspires to get better. I am just frustrated with the lack of leap to the next stage. It’s all about mental toughness, leadership, and focus. And I feel he lacks in all three categories. Can that still be harnessed and honed into something better than what we are seeing? Time will tell. If I was a betting man, I’d say Romo is going to have the exact parallel career as Danny White, and never be an Aikman or Staubach.

I am simply tired of the lack of passion, the lack of accountability, and the lack of focus I’ve seen in Romo over the past 13 months…..I am tired of the fact he got away from what got him on the grand stage. I’m talking improve, the scrambling, the ability to tuck the ball and run when needed. He needs to be a time/ball manager, and that’s all I want from him. I don’t need fantasy stats from him. I need sure footed accurate mid level throws and consistent decision making. I need balls thrown away when needed, and I need him to take a sack when in doubt, and I need him to run every time he sees an opening in the line…..That’s all I need…I haven’t given up on Romo, but I am no longer going to make excuses for every bone-headed dumb ass move that he makes. He deserves criticism, and he is under a microscope for good reason, THIS is his defining moment, HIS season….NO excuses. NONE !! OUR expectations shouldn’t be cause for others to slam fellow Cowboy fans for pointing out flaws, and he will no longer be cared for with white gloves, and coddled hearts. IF he performs like he did against NYG again…You can bet your ass I will be campaigning for John Kitna to replace him either for the remainder of the game or for even the next start. He is NOT off limits, and needs a kick in his ass, and the fear of losing his starting job.

by My_2_Cents on Sep 25, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem I have is that you see our team lose and you attribute it to Tony regressing (while I would be more apt to say the team as a whole looked bad). The fact is that while he played bad last game, I don’t see anything that concerns me in the long term. He made a bad read on the deep throw and had a ball get away from on the pick-six. Yes, he needed to throw more accurately, but those are things that are going to happen (even to the best). Am I okay with it? No, I want better. However, considering how many times I have seen Tony play at an elite level (by that I mean top-3 level), I strongly feel that this game is not his norm and that he will bounce back (that ultimately is the difference between a good QB and a bad QB). Considering, how he played in the second half of Tampa and how he played at times last year (even down the stretch against NYG and the second half of the BAL game), I just don’t see that he has “lost it,” or anything like that. For these reasons, I refuse to be so negative in my comments towards him. By the same logic, I have laid off guys like Scandrick and Newman because I know they can and have seen them play better. Therefore, for the moment, I will choose to give them the benefit of the doubt for their terrible play on Sunday. Now, if they all come out and consistently play that way, then we will have something to discuss.

Maybe it is my awesome rose-colored glasses, but one game does not make a season, and one performance does not make a player. I will choose to reserve judgement until I see more from this team and get a better feel for its pattern of play.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 25, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think last weeks game was more the exception to the rule regarding Romo’s general level of play during the past three years because if it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have a career 94 qb rating.

I think in bigger games, he tends to press more, but I wouldn’t call that choking, I call that trying to do too much, and I think he’ll learn how to deal with that over time with more experience.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 26, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

or as Parcells used to call it “playing too fast”

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 26, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been saying it for a year now...Garrett is major hinderence when it comes to building Romo's mental toughness.

The running game is churning out 7+ yards a clip, and with a 4th quarter lead, 1st down in Giants territory, dumb ass Garrett feels the need to call elaborate deep passing plays just to get a rise out of his creative juices, when indeed running the ball EVERY SINGLE PLAY should have been the ONLY thing on his mind….

Trivia question for the masses?? When was the last time you seen a team rush for 275+ yards and completely lose the time of possession battle by 10 minutes? That is dumb ass Garrett’s fault. The O-Line had never run blocked so well over the past 16+ games and he has to throw the ball? Just to prove he can call pass plays? Would Sparano have called any passing plays with our line playing as well? Would Parcells?

We need a clock manager at QB, and I assure you this team would be just as good with a Dilfer type signal caller behind center…John Kitna could lead this team to the playoffs…Don’t kid yourselves. Time to take the focus off the air attack and play like Baltimore, Atlanta, NYG, NYJ, Carolina, MIami, and ever other team that relies on the ground game to set everything else up…..THEY POUND THE BALL….T Glenn and TO are gone, The 4,000+ passing seasons ARE NOT NEEDED…We have two top notch TE’s, a behemoth O-line, 2 decent possession WR’s, and 3 top notch RB’s…THAT IS ALL YOU NEED….Just a QB to get the occasional 3rd and 5, or master the screen pass, or the slant pass..

.WE CAN RUN THE BALL OVER 200 YARDS EVERY SINGLE GAME IF WE HAD A REAL PLAY CALLER.

One way to reduce INT’s is to take the ball AWAY from Romo…..simple as that….I love Tony, and it kills me to see him F up after all this experience, but we don’t need him to carry this team..WE NEED HIM TO MANAGE THIS TEAM !!

…I want a 60rush/40pass ratio……We can be the Giants if we only called plays like the Giants…

by My_2_Cents on Sep 23, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you...

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 cents

I like a lot of what you said – believe me

But I don’t understand this statement “We can be the Giants if we only called plays like the Giants”

On Sunday night the Giants passed 38 times / ran 26 times = 59% PASS, 41% RUN

That seems contrary to the rest of your post? No?

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

@ Bishop ...I was actually refering to the "Giant's philosophy" not neccessarily their distribution in their latest game

I could have easily said Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Carolina, Miami, Baltimore, Tennessee, Jets, etc….Teams that actually preach ball control and running games. THAT is how our team is set up. We have a huge dynamic O-Line, We have an all pro caliber TE tandem, a bulldozer FB, and a fleet of RB’s that are second to none, imo….so why are we throwing 30+ yards down field when we are ripping off 7+ yard carries at will all day??? You run until you can’t run no more. You run until the team stops you. You run until the d-line is beaten up, and punch drunk. You run until the opponent commits 8-9 defenders to the line of scrimmage. Well..you get my point….

Garrett is STILL in 2007 mode, when in actuality it was Sparano who called the plays, directed the running game, and Garrett was the director of the passing game. He still runs out of passing formations with delayed draws, and thinks he has outside weapons that will draw man coverage. We line up 2 TE’s, 1-2 WR’s or FB, and pound the rock…Romo needs NOT be the focal point of this offense. Many times the flow of the game and opponent will dictate the way plays are called, but my point being, we should always be looking to establish the run, no matter what. We were actually doing a fine job against the Gints, and the O-Line was dominant. The two ill advised throws were all Romo, and the third one I can’t rip on him, but the pass was terrible, and there was no excuse, as it should have been an easy completion on an out pattern to Witten…Romo has been off with the majority of his throws since early last year, and I have no understanding as to why………He has not accuracy on slants/crosses, yet hits vertical and curl passes with pretty decent consistency. I don’t know why he’s given up on his movement, scrambling, and actually rushing plays…that was his bread and butter…now he want to be Tom Brady and stand in the pocket….He is a better passer on the move…that’s his marque play….haven’t seen it in quite some time….Run Tony Run…..Several times I have seen creases he could slip through and rattle off a 10 yard run…..When was the last time??? 2 years ago?

BOTTOM LINE…WE NEED TO BE KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE LEAGUE AS A RUNNING TEAM…You “hear” Pittsburgh and you automatically “think” smash mouth run dominating football…..OUR RUNNING PACKAGE PERSONNEL IS WAY BETTER THAN PITTSBURGH HAS “EVER HAD”….YET over the next few weeks Garrett will probably call a few games with 35+ passing plays, without establishing a running game from the onset…I am sure all realize that Romo is usually “OFF” to start virtually “every” game, and usually ends up heating up come 2nd quarter……LETS GET BACK TO BASICS AND START OFF WITH RUNNING ON EVERY 1ST AND 2ND DOWN…At worst, we’re looking at 3rd and 3-5……with the 2 TE’s we got, it’s money in the bank to complete a 5 yard TE curl route….WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR GARRETT TO UNDERSTAND????……..TO is gone, Terry Glenn is gone, teams are playing zone, and Garrett still thinks we need to attack downfield…I must admit, his play calling has been better than last year, but our personnel has changed, and it’s time to change the philosophy of how we approach the defense… RUN THE BALL UNTIL THEY STOP IT. THEN KEEP RUNNING IT, AND THE PLAY ACTION OPENS UP…We can go all season without throwing one ball over 20 yards and still average 30 points and 35 minutes of clock …IF he stuck with the run….7 carries for Felix Jones? 2 carries for Choice? Are you kidding me?

anyways….here’s a great break down of the run/pass ratio ~

http://community.advancednflstats.com/2009/02/how-teams-try-to-win.html

by My_2_Cents on Sep 24, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, THIS is crazy.

Your own argumnt is prof against you. Romo is criticized as much as any qb in the league, and has been since he became our starter. He has faced TONS of adversity, he had as big a choke in a playoff game as football’s every seen, and yet he didn’t fall apart after that. He got better.

Has Romo said ANYTHING that makes you think he feels like hes entitled to the qb position? Hes not McNabb…He was put in because bledsoe was underperformning, he sure as heck knows it could happen to him.

by foyesboys on Sep 23, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also look at how McNabb played the rest of the year...

To leave McNabb under achieving, they weren’t going to make the playoffs anyway. That benching saved their season.

by emoon3 on Sep 21, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reid wouldn't do it again if he had it over

he has said that already.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i live in philly

and everyone here knows that the benching was not to motivate Mcnabb, that was the end of Mcnabb, had Kolb not come in and ished the bed, Mcnabb would have been gone

by stephen1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

and it didn’t work and they had to suck up to McNabb to keep him from bolting.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I don’t buy Philly’s “he did it to light a fire under McNabb’s ass” angle one bit. He benched him because he sucked. Kolb sucked worse. Philly and the media try to save face by saying it was Reid’s intent to send him a message. Complete BS.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Sep 22, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Reid did it because he legitimately thought Kolb would do better. He was wrong. If our management gets to the point where they feel Kitna would do better…I’m for it.

However, I’m really not against the idea of benching him for a drive during these disaster games, when you just know its not gonna end well.

by foyesboys on Sep 23, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

McNabb's play imporved because he is fiercely competitive

…and responded like a true professional.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What it does

Is send a message to your football team. Look at what Singletary is doing in SF. He sent one of their best players to the locker room.

It says, you WILL be accountable. Romo isn’t going to change because he doesn’t really have much to lose.

What you guys fail to see, if that if you keep letting Romo lose games for you and do nothing then the rest of the locker room turns against him.

If you want to make Tony better, you hold him responsible. Treating him with kid gloves won’t do it. At the very least you have to get the back up warming up.

The Cowboys MUST MUST MUST draft someone to push Tony this draft. Imagine if you could go to work and come in late as many times as you like and never have any fear of losing your job. Now imagine if you worked someplace where your boss told you that if you keep coming in late you ’ll be fired. Which place is more likely to get you there on time?

by emoon3 on Sep 21, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Vernon Davis was really one of their best players

They wouldn’t be 2-0. Nuff said. It would be like Wade sending MartyB to the locker room. Nice, but not hardball.

by Key19 on Sep 21, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy that argument because

You pull Romo for a game, you’re increasing the risk of losing. Kitna is a step up from Brad Johnson, but I don’t want to see him in there unless Romo is too injured to play. Romo is the better QB, there’s no comparison.

I don’t think whatever problems he had that resulted in the INT’s were due lack of preparation or not taking his job responsibility seriously. So benching him won’t accomplish anything other than undermining his role as a leader of the team.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 10:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Its the same bad decisions he always makes...

If he knew throwing INT’s would cost him his job, he would think twice about just heaving a ball up in the air.

But hey, it’s ok. You’ll be saying the sam thing three years form now. I know Romo threw five picks, but if the defense would have stopped them we would have won and we only lost by three.

He’ll do better next time.

Talk is cheap. There’s no Jessica, no T.O., everything is set up the way he needs it. It’s time for him to grow up, be a professional, and play like a pro.

True pros don’t make those kind of throws. Can you imagine Mike Tomlin saying “there, there Tony, it will be okay. We’ll try to make the game easier for you…?”

He pushes his players to be great. Tony needs to be pushed.

by emoon3 on Sep 21, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pushed by????

Kitna? McGee?

I think the OC and Romo can figure out what went wrong. I do have doubts about the guy’s QB coach however. Isn’t the QB coach the guy that’s supposed to work with the QB on correcting mistakes.

If I am saying the same thing 3 years from now, don’t bother paying attention, because I will assuredly be insane by that point.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 21, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This talk is cheap

It’s nto for Romo. His job IS on the line and he knows it. The only way he gets to keep playing the position is to perform well and take the team deep into the palyoffs. You act like he’s a tenured professor who has some sort of super-hold on the job. If he can’t do better than last Sunday, he’ll be gone. It really does work that way in the NFL.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coming in and publicly declaring that everything you do as an organization...

is designed around making one player comfortable does not portray that his job is in jeopardy.

It’s that kind of culture that spoils him.

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or the kind of culture that

wants to run the offense through him. What basis do you have for Romo being spoiled? It’s wishful thinking on your part. Isn’t it possible that he simply makes mistakes without being lazy, stupid, spoiled or unmotivated?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think

He would have made that pass that was picked off if the Tuna or Jimmy was on the sidelines. Do you know the tongue lashing he would have gotten if he did?

And what exactly did happen after he made the play.

Not a thing.

L

Sorry, anyone would think twice if they knew they were going to have to endure the wrath of God if they made another bad turn over.

Romo has all these stats, but going back to Ben Roethlisberger’s rookie year, do you remember him ever making big turn over after big turn over in big games?

Just look back to our last game with Pittsburg. While our QB was throwing two picks and giving them a touchdown, their QB was making good sound football plays and winning the game.

Go over to DCfanatic and listen to what Nate Newton said about this team’s discipline. This whole team is spoiled.

Nate said that after a loss like that, they would be practicing in full pads on Monday, and if they didn’t practice right on Monday, they’d be in full pads on Tuesday. Irvin said that knowing how hard they would be worked after losses was definitely a factor in not wanting to lose any games.

Nate finished by telling Emmit to “go to the practice field on Monday and see how the practice is…” He knows it will be all shorts and jokes.

But as Wade said, they were really good at some things last week so they should be rewarded I guess.

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have no idea what happened

I don’t either, but since Jason’s and Wade’s jobs and reps are on the line, do you really think they just smile at Romo after a bad game? Really? I don’t think you’ve seen enough of the world if you believe that.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll leave it at this..

Whatever they are doing isn’t working. Jimmy once said, you cannot play for me if you turn the ball over, Period.

If you’re ok with continuing to lose games like this fine. I’m not.

Look at his last four games….

Baltimore, Philly, Tampa, and the Giants…

With the exception of the Tampa game, he has had horrible turnovers in all of them.

If they can’t change him, then get someone in there that can.

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have any problem with that

If he can’t get it done, he WILL be gone. That always, always, always happens in the NFL. Even in Al Davis La-La-Land.

I’m not OK with losing. You’re making more assumptions about people you don’t know. I think it’s premature to judge the season or the QB or the coaches. There’s time left to see what happens.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Jeff Fisher thought about that when Kerry Collins took over in Tenn?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo is better than VY

That’s not even debatable.

The fact that Collins can play the position makes him a better alternative in TEN.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 22, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but that isn't pertinent

the piece I was asking about was what kind of butterflies were going through Fisher’s stomach when he was forced to make the tough call?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing none

VY, after playing horrible, then had an injury to make it quite easy to decide to put Collins in. I think he made the only decision he could.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 22, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Emoon - exactly

Yea, Romo should be taken to task…but noooooooooo, he is Jerry’s star attraction for JerryWorld…so it’s hands off on his boy. Time for Nate to walk Romo down to Playmaker’s office (tool shed).

"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"

by SaratogaRacing on Sep 21, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brees, Brady, Manning (both), Ryan, Rodgers...

The list goes on. Good quarterbacks are rare in the NFL, and the really good ones, like Romo dont have anybody pushing them for their starting spot, because they are far and away their team’s best options. This isnt a problem, merely a situation every NFL team faces.

The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!

by aussie_cowboy on Sep 21, 2009 11:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well actually...

The Chargers had Drew Brees who led them to the playoffs and drafted Phillip Rivers who is only like 3-4 years younger than Brees. And they let Brees go. The Giants brought in Kurt Warner to push Eli when he was messing up. Eli was a game away from being hung here in NY, there were many calling for his head – his job was definitely, definitely on the line. And this is NY. If Eli starts turning the ball over a bunch, they will STILL call for his head. They don’t fall in love with potential here.

Also, the QB’s you mentioned don’t turn the ball over nearly as much as Romo does.

You can’t win big in this league turning the ball over. You can’t do it. Those guys you mentioned, like Steve young said earlier, are all self motivated. They push themselves harder than anyone else could push them.

Of the players you mentioned, can you name 4 big games where they had 3 plus turnovers in three out of 4 games?

Listen to what Parcells said about Romo. And it’s true. He needs someone to groom him. At the very least when he does that the couch should get in his face on the sidelines….or is that going to hurt poor little Tony’s feelings too much for your taste as well?

Trust me, at the end of his career, Tony would be thanking the coach that held his feet to the fire and made him a winner. And we would be thanking that coach because he brought out the best in Romo.

Jimmy Johnson was hard as hell on everyone and they all love him for it. What was the FIRST thing Jimmy did when he got to the Cowboys and met his number one pick rookie QB Troy Aikman?

He went out and drafted Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft. And then he brought in Steve Beuerlein after he traded Walsh. Aikman always had a young, capable backup until he proved he was a big time winner.

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming Romo doesn't have self-motivation is inherently flawed

You don’t go from UFA to starter without really working your tail off.

There is no point debating about Romo. The fact is that he will be here for at least 2 more years unless he just totally implodes. He’ll have a couple of those head-scratcher games a year, but otherwise he’s a very, very good QB.

Don’t like it, don’t be a Cowboys fan. Simple as that.

by Key19 on Sep 22, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Young said it...

and I think he may know a wee bit more about the position than you or I. And to say you can’t be a Cowboys fan and be critical of Romo is like saying you couldn’t be a Cowboys fan and be critical of TO or Wade.

And should the Cowboys implode this year and they bring in any of the coaching names people are throwing out, things can change really quickly. I can assure you, Romo will not be able to throw 3-4 bad picks in every big game if his head coach is Bill Cowher or Mike Shannahan.

I seriously don’t know what you have against trying to make him better by making him accountable. You’re not hurting him, you’re helping him. Just ask Troy Aikman who was better for him and the team, Jimmy Johnson who was ALL over them or Barry Switzer who let them be undisciplined.

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not the question

the question is what does Steve Young know about Romo? Apparently not as much as his owner/GM, coaches and fellow players who call him one of the hardest working guy on the team.

Staubach thinks he’s great and Aikman thinks Romo is special but needs to cut down on turnovers. I think they know more than you AND Steve Young about Tony Romo.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may work harder than anyone

but that isn’t cutting down on the ridiculous mistakes.

by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 22, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

He doesn’t need to work HARDER, he needs to work SMARTER

by BishopWest on Sep 22, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does need to be smarter

there’s no doubt about it. But the thesis that it’s because he has no fear of losing his job is silly. He knows he won’t last in Dallas if he doesn’t produce deep into the playoffs. That’s the NFL, and he has said that everyone’s job is up for grabs every season. He’s aware.

It’s not about being so stupid that he doesn’t understand what’s at stake. it’s distinguishing between trying to make plays that he shouldn’t and having the confidence in the flow of the game to try the ones he should.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pushing someone

implies that they are not what they can to improve.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was told the same thing about T.O when he signed his three extension last year

and Roy Williams(safety) when he sign his contract extension…where are they now???

Don’t like it, don’t be a Cowboys fan. Simple as that.

sounds like a twelve year old response

Tony Romo, BIG IN NAME, NO BIG GAME.

by Deke on Sep 22, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the same one as...

“if you don’t like it the way it is here, go live in some other country”.

Too many cyclopses.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you mean if we don't like it, don't be a Cowboys fan?

That is ludicrous.

I was a fan of the Cowboys when Romo was in diapers, and you want me to bail on my team because of him – that’s laughable.

by BishopWest on Sep 22, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really

You should retract this.

I’ve read some good commentary from you in the past and this is beneath you.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No it is not that simple

Don’t like it, don’t be a Cowboys fan. Simple as that.

I was a Cowboys fan long before Romo was born. I will be one long after he is gone. I am not going to stop being a fan because I am pointing some obvious flaws in the starting QB’s game

And while we are on the subject, too many people respond to criticism of Jerry Jones with the same BS of “go root for another team.” That is total nonsense. The Cowboys were MY team, before they were Jerry’s team, and when he is screwing up MY team, and it is our team, meaning the fans’ team, I am going to call his botoxed, facelifted, toupeed ass on it

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Sep 22, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hold up there, bub. You got your facts wrong on Eli/Warner.

Warner was only with the Giants during Eli’s rookie season and was never considered anything more than a guy to keep the seat warm. As I recall, he only lasted through nine games as the starter. So that’s an example you just misremembered.

by MadMick on Sep 22, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why Garrett isn't making the grade

I say Garrett because he is not getting in Romo’s face at all. Everything is calm and allright on the sideline. No problems. Jasons got his headset on. Oh, Tony just threw an interception? That’s ok, we’ll do better next time we get the ball on offense.

How can I even bring Wade into this conversation? I can’t. So it has to be Garrett that bears this responsibility. The moment one of you has proof that Wade is calling anything on offense, I promise to shift responsibility to Wade.

Doesn’t anyone else than me think that Jerry has created something dysfunctional with coaching leadership on this team? No wonder why players loose confidence (especially on defense). I can’t even begin to worry about the defense, because I think we can correct whatever is going on there way easier than this Romo/Garrett/Wade?Jerry thing.

Somewhere, the Giants are laughing.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong on Garrett, right on the Staff as a whole

I’ve said before that I think the staff is another Dave Campo-ish staff of Jerry’s minions.

I prefer a coach who has the reigns of the team and picks their lieutenants.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I usually agree with you blings...

But I don’t on the Garrett thing. He is not a strong willed enough coach for my taste. He may become something later, but that doesn’t help us now. again, as I said earlier, this was not the time for the Cowboys to be breaking in Jason Garrett as an offensive coordinator.

He has had 3 years to become something, and he still looks inexperienced to me. Why, after all, would he call a pass play when you a 24-20 lead, with plenty of time, and the ball at the opponents 47? He had to know he was under the microscope.
Calls like that get you fired

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still trying to convince everyone that Garrett is the root cause?

You’re persistent, I’ll give you that.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 22, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just...

Stating my opinion, like everyone else. If it’s debate they are looking for, they will get it here, that’s for sure. Actually, APerfectstar, I have had alot of hope and belief that Garrett was going to do it for us until this last big game.

What is it that made me snap and go against him as the coordinator of my team you ask?

Simple- just the plain simple fact that Romo seems to not react to whatever coaching has been done on him. I’d like to believe Garrett can pull through this and take us to the promised land. But I have had my doubts all along. At this point and time in Cowboys history, we needed a veteran offensive playcaller, and this was not the time to be breaking in a new offensive coordinator the last 3 years. Why? because we may have already won a Super Bowl by now, who knows? Are you definitely happy the way things have gone with Romo the last 3 years? I’m not. I still believe in Romo, though. We are stuck with him, and to be honest, I don’t want anyone else. I do think he needs to be coached way better than what has been done up to this point. 5Blings says he’s distraught over the fact that coaching has been stagnant, and he fears Tony may not be making any progress as a quarterback because of this. So really APerfectstar, I’m not really looking at the bad of people like Dunkman is accusing me of. I’m just not happy with what’s happened, what is happening, and I want change, or at least a change in offensive philosiphy, so that we can be the team hammering the Giants and Eagles and everyone else for a change. Garrett himself may need more experience as a coach. It’s too bad Wade can’t help. Actually, 5Blings fears that Wade is gonna have to step in on the offense. How does that make you feel? My stomach is starting to get upset, so i have to stop typing…….

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right on

Like I told you in another thread, I was happy to hear about the “Romo Friendly” plans on offense. A commitment to run the ball more, use of screens, quick slants, the increased use of a 2TE set to create problems for the defense, etc. I do think this was Wade’s idea. To ease the burden on his defense and allow him to keep players fresher late in games. Just my opinion on that.

After the TB game seemed to confirm this strategy would payoff big if they stayed with it, I was on cloud nine. I still think it’s a good strategy and that Garrett is doing a much better job than last season. As evidenced by the 250 yds on the ground against the Midgets.

Where we seem to have a difference of opinions is in regards to letting Romo have options to go deep when there is opportunity. I don’t think (and I’m sure you don’t either) that Garrett called a play where the only option was to throw a 50 yd pass. There were other options, including throwing it away, Romo made a mistake putting it up that deep without seeing where the FS was. Hindsight is 20/20, and I’m sure Romo regrets that throw and Garrett would have called a safe play. But even ultra conservative Parcells had a tendency to pull out a flea flicker when his offense was around mid-field. The game changer or kill shot play. Sometimes they just don’t turn out the way you hope.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 23, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 24, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1....problem is Garrett has "Air" Coryell on his mind, and not ultra conservative pound the rock "Tuna" Parcells...

Tuna knew how to establish a running game, and when to attack down field, Garrett is better served in Oakland where he belongs…I’ll never be a fan of him, and he’ll never achieve his pre-coaching career assessment of “Boy Genius”…I assure you. I totally agree with DallasPalace that Garrett should NOT of been serving his apprenticeship here while we were stacked on the O side……Unfortunately it’s going to take another lost season for Jerry to finally clean house. Wade DOES need to step in if this continues. Wade knows running games, and has coached on some of the best running attacks of all time in Houston, Buffalo, Atlanta, San Diego, etc………I want 35+ running plays a game. That should be goal and directive for every game.

by My_2_Cents on Sep 24, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

You can persistently tell me that 1+1=3

But no matter how many times, and how many ways you say it – it just ain’t so

by BishopWest on Sep 22, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can do your own math Bish...

I’m not telling you anything. I just state my opinion. It’s for you to evaluate.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've worked for a lot of leaders who only

“get in your face” in private. Because they know that if you are going to be a leader you can’t be dragged down in public. I doubt Garrett is watching his career crumble without addressing problems. of course we don’t get to see it. Should we? Should Dallas really let this become ESPN fodder? That would be dumber than letting Romo run the whole franchise.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is how I handle things and it has NEVER let me down

The whole public tirade thing is a relic from a bygone era of blood and guts coaches that never had to deal with multi-million dollar baby ego’s of these Gen-X, Gen-Y or Gen-I kids.

Times change and I bet Romo gets an earful from Garrett. What I don’t know is whether it matters to Romo enough to change.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right Blings...

In the end, no matter what, that is the question that needs to be answered. We don’t know what Garrett is doing behind the scenes. Unfortunately, the situation at coaching is sad for the Cowboys. No matter what, we see no change as a result of coaching. Who knows, Garrett may be doing a hell of a job, but if it doesn’t register with Romo, we won’t know.

One thing we do know and no one talks about- after such a contract for Romo, would the Cowboys consider another quarterback? See what I mean?

No, I think something has to happen with coaching. Jerry committed too much with the QB to make it any other way. The options are just not there Blings.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tell you what

Romo wouldn’t do this crap with Shanahan waiting for him on the sidelines.

No way Jose.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So did the great Jay Culter... hahaha

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cutler didn't have 7 years of NFL service under his belt...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just laughing at how some people think Jay is so great when I just don't see it...

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Romo Wins 2 Super Bowl's, he can too!!!

Blings are like ‘Get out of Jail free’ cards.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True on many levels but Elway had those problems for a long, long time

until Terrell Davis and a great defense came along.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't it matter to Romo?

everyone who plays with him or coaches him says he works hard and is ultra competitive. There’s nothing except silly commetary to suggest that he doesn’t listen to coaching.

My guess is that his real trouble is dealing with things he is not prepared for on the field and responding badly. It’s an old habit and maybe it’s going to take time to fix. For me, his tremendous talent is more than enough reason for me to be patient and see what he can do.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo's talent does out-weigh his failure to protect the ball

No one questions his hard work, but every one that watches him (fans and non-fans alike) shake their head in utter disbelief at some of the MOST STUPID things that he does with the ball.

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does or Does NOT?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does

Probably about 90% of his throws are fine, but those other 10% have me cringing (and actually cost us wins at times)

And 90% DOES outweigh 10%

Blings, you got it right in one of your other posts, that Ryan and Flacco already have the discipline that Romo hasn’t figured out in 7 years.

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch that game again...

90% of his throws were not fine.

But I know what you mean. Only 10% of his throws might be ill advised. Still, that is way too many.

For a team that will throw 30 times a game, he’ll get picked 2-3 times a game.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree that they were not in that game

I’m just saying – across the board – throughout his career

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes they outweigh them and

sometimes they don’t. His win-loss record is excellent, so of course he’s often able to play at a high level after making mistakes.

The problem I think for ROmo is that when the margins are smaller in the playoffs, he needs to be able to tighten it up and I think that is still a work in progress for him.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might not

but plenty do attribute it to hard work or effort or concern.

I agree completely that he either has to reduce the listakes or he’ll end up out of the game.

But for perspective, fans shake their heads at all QB mistakes. There aren’t many that look good.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is right on the money moon

but watch out for the Cowboy fans with rose colored glasses, cause you know what the saying is- “rose-colored glasses are the masses”

they will consume you with bitterness for these blasphemous beliefs, and have you burned at the stake!

But I am with you!

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

people who disagree with you have rose colored glasses? Maybe you have dark colored glasses! Maybe you see everything as bad and people as incompetent when you really know nothing about the inner workings of the team.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No....

It’s just that when people go to the level of idiocy to discredit what your point of view is, like writing stupid demeaning posts overe and over again to berate an opinion because it doesn’t agree with yours, that kind of troll needs a life. To hang out and diiscredit someone on a blog, looking at what they’ve written, and dissect it to try and find a flaw so they can try to win some petty victory that they feel like they have to win, that is the person that basically has no life. You’ve got to try and have at least an intelligent conversation with them, even though your point of view differs from them. No need to assume something about someone and berate them just because it differs from your point of view. Alot of people have always done that here Dunkman. Why is that? Is it because, they basically have no life?

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would only agree if that person somehow attacked you personally...

I don’t really understand your point. You say that you want to have an intelligent discussion, but you were the one that made the comments regarding rose-colored glasses. Then, when Dunk challenges you on that comment, you whine about how people have “to dissect it and try to find a flaw so they can win some petty victory,” which to me sounds an awful lot like you don’t want to have an intelligent argument and would rather everyone just agree with you. Honestly, if you don’t like the heat of an intelligent discussion/argument, get out of the kitchen.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your understanding is...

is neither sought or required. How is it that you reserve the right to make judgement like that on anyone (not just me) without knowing anything about previous posts and discussions I’ve had, and most of all, understanding them? Sorry, your assessment is yours for you alone.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cowboyfan729...

Would you like me to direct you to posts where these kind of actions have taken place? Do you have alot of time to read the posts, and most importantly, understand them? Please let me know. I will be more than happy to show you if you don’t believe me.

No disrespect intended, but my post was to the author of this thread and my stating belief in his statement. It was a joke, but also true sometimes.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would enjoy a clarification because

what I gather from your post is you calling people (albeit without specifically naming who) trolls for the simple offense of disagreeing with you and going back and forth on the topic (what you describe as “going to the level of idiocy to discredit your point of view” and “writing demeaning posts”). I apologize if I misunderstood, but I have read it again and I gather no joking tone.

All I was saying, is that as someone on this blog who has gone back and forth with several people (who can forget a nice 300+ post with 5Blings), I find it extremely condescending to describe that behavior as the going to the level of idiocy or having no life. Therefore, if you don’t like arguing or going back and forth with someone who you would describe as writing “demeaning posts,” my advice to you would to indeed stop posting (or as I more bluntly put it in other post, “get out of the kitchen”). I am sure I came off as heavy-handed and that is my mistake, but I for one enjoy the argument and discussion on this blog (even with Montecito Tex) and I really just didn’t appreciate how you worded your post.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way...

you were still wrong on all 150+ of your posts on that thread.

;-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you read that Blings?

The issue I’m talking about with Cowboyfan729 is not the issue of who is right and wrong, but rather once the point is made, going over it again and again, over and over, where it gets beyond redundant just to belittle the point. If soemone doesn’t agree with me, that’s ok. But have respect. don’t post your berating tirade just because you don’t like the opinion over and over again. Once is enough. I get your point of view, and welcome it, but the berating and accusation are childish. Most of the people here are vey intelligent and don’t need the point repeated over and over again.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see what you are saying, but honestly, I think it is understandable that if someone posts something and someone responds that the poster has every right to argue right back (even at the risk of beating a dead horse). Now, yes, no one likes to see posts get demeaning or accusatory, but long arguments I think are healthy and a good way to review current knowledge while provoking thought.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as it is about the message and not the messenger, bring it

Remember that one thing unites us:

We all fiercely love our team and want to see it succeed.

In fact, I see this as a kind of psychotherapy after a loss like Sunday’s.

We may disagree on things, but I (and I am sure I speak for the large majority of you) value each and every one of you and your opinions.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on all counts...

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only time it get's bad

is when the person starts taking you in circles, back and forth, from one minor point to another, and then back and forth again. Finally, what I always do when it get’s redundantly stupid, I end up saying “you just have your point of view, and I have mine, and let’s just leave it at that”, because it is respectful, and just ends the round robin.

but some people just don’t give it up. They keep going, and bickering, and nit-picking, and…………..?

And the other one they use is logic.

“you just don’t see the logic”

sometimes, when they say that to me, I respond like this…

“if I wanted Logic, I’d go to Vulcan”

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who are you referring to?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not here on this thread Dunk

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either or neither could be true

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo won't be benched, and that's how it should be

The fact of the matter is Romo is our ONLY chance at being a winning football team right now. Maybe some time in the future we’ll have a young guy in the wings just waiting for Romo to mess up. But McGee probably isn’t that guy, and anybody willing to accept the role of back up QB isn’t good enough to push Romo. The guy has a few things left to prove he’s a franchise QB, but he’s still an excellent player, certainly above average.

And can we please hold judgment ‘til a little later in the season? This is ridiculous, especially right after week 2. Yes, there are a few disturbing trends in Romo’s play over the last two games, but he showed moments of brilliance in both games(more so in week 1, obviously), which is enough for me to postpone judgment for at least a few more weeks.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Sep 22, 2009 1:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo's Career (2006-present)

47 starts
49 INTs

Good grief =/

by BishopWest on Sep 22, 2009 1:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And this

41 starts
28 wins

Good QB

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drew Brees

Since 2006

48 interceptions

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And really, when did Brees become the measuring stick?

He has accomplished just as little as Romo and is just as inconsistent.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's being talked about as the best QB in football

in a lot of circles. He’s not being talked about by his fans as needing to benched/fired/tarred and feathered/pilloried, etc.

He’s also playing in a similar style offense which creates similar problems – high risk sometimes high gain, sometimes high pain.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Name 5 GM's

That would take Romo over Brees….

Name 2….

Name 1 not named Jerry….

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJ Smith

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Touche…

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't pretent to be able to read minds.

I can rattle off 25 names, and you would be unable to prove me wrong, but what’s the point? You could say the same people would take Brees and I couldn’t prove you wrong, either.

Romo = Brees

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

even though i really disagree with you

on the whole “success is only measured by wins and losses” concept…you are definitely consistent.

by foyesboys on Sep 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant to say

“a great player is measured by wins and losses”…cause success obviously is.

by foyesboys on Sep 25, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Name one

you know

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy....

Do we owe the Saints a beating. I dream of our defense stifling them. Now, I’m a little worried. We better get our act together before then.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Dunk is referencing the numerous Brees versus Romo threads...

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few

but not significantly. The point remains, Romo throws too many picks, but he’s not on an island alone. QBs who play in a pass heavy offense are much more prone to interceptions. He’s also thown an obscene number of yards and TDs. So he’s productive.

His next step is to cut back on mistakes because the playoffs are “one and done” so you must be able to dial in nearly error-free football to win.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is Romo friendly in our house

Owner controlled teams are not good, Al Davis Jerry Jones

Romo keeps getting devalued. Last Year I wanted to trade him straight up for Matt Ryan. Then it was straight up for Jay Cutler. Now it is straight up for Derek Anderson. By the end of the season, my prediction is he wont be tradeable at all, and he will ultimately be waived to make room for the future. He is Jake Plummer, ask Arizona and Denver about that experiment 161 TDs 161 INTs

The Giants are beatable and so are the Eagles, especially with hobbling Westbrook and McNaab. The Redskins may not beat the Lions. This team needs to find some way to get TR rhythm and still run the ball. Has anyone seen Roy Williams? D needs to shape up too, 2 fantasy points in 2 games, awful. We need a mamoth NT.

by sam0807 on Sep 22, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jake Plummer?

 Ouch!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad its Jerry Jones that runs this team and not you based off of some of those trades...

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

while I agree that Romo should quit tying to do too much

the one luxury Romo does not have is the one that Sanchez does, Sanchez and even Eli Manning can say to themselves “no need to take a chance, our D is playing well”……can Romo ever really say that?

by stephen1 on Sep 22, 2009 9:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He could against the Steelers last year

and turned in his weakest performance to that point in the season.

by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 22, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it possible that the D looks worse because of the offense?

They only allowed one TD drive over 30 yards on Sunday. That’s pretty good in my opinion. Maybe if they were on the field a little less and defending the short field a little less, they would look a lot better.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That has something to do with it

Although we see time and time again with this team that when the offense plays well, the D struggles and vice versa

by foyesboys on Sep 22, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It probably explains some of it

The time of possession was highly in NY favor. That’s a real problem.

But even in the first quarter they couldn’t get to the QB. I credit their line some, but this D is predicated on pressure. If they can’t get it, it does not bode well for winning enough to make the playoffs. Especailly since they got no sacks last week either.

No one has discussed it, but I wonder if the injuries limited defensive rotations and caused 4th qtr fatigue.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The TOP was highly in NY's favor

because they had the ball for 8 of the last 12 minutes. Our defense despite the turnovers really hadn’t been on teh field for long before that.

The Giants scored on all of their last 3 drives. Their starting position for all of them wasn’t very good.

I agree the points allowed were high because of Romo, but to say the defensed collapsed because of TOP is giving Romo too much credit. They really weren’t on the field that long, and they got wooped in the last 17 minutes or two.

by foyesboys on Sep 23, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 24, 2009 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

every single post i wrote yesterday afternoon

has significant spelling mistakes or ridiculous phrases like “17 minutes or two”.

by foyesboys on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Terry?

No Romo-centric discussion like this is complete without him.

I feel like Superman without Lex Luthor.

:-(

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah this is weird......

is this normal for him to be gone after Romo puts up a stinker?

by texstar on Sep 22, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to make sure he is okay

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what I mean.......

I wasn’t posting last year so I don’t know the history. Does he usually post like after the Pitt or Philly game?

by texstar on Sep 22, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terry.....He is not going to waste his time fighting off a bunch a jackels looking to rant about Romo's poor play...

I’m pretty sure Terry is just as upset as all of us, and trying to defend Romo’s poor showing doesn’t bode well for peace and harmony, and would be simply spur even more dissenting views, and drag that painful loss on even further…

Romo is OUR Quarterback…NOT Terry’s…….If Romo comes out next week and pulls the same damn stunts he did this past Sunday, then he should be chastised and berated even harder, then some may finally wipe off their rose colored glasses, and see Romo for what he is……..He lost his consistent accuracy, and I’ve noticed since last years week 2-3 games…He is off for some reason….There’s no question…I thought it would all work itself out, but he starts every game by over throwing, under throwing, or throwing behind, and some games it goes throughout, then other games (Tampa) he makes a few decent throws later in the game, and everyone seems to forget the other 15+ poorly thrown incompletions…He no longer looks to run, He no longer scrambles or rolls out……He lost his MOJO…….plain and simple..

by My_2_Cents on Sep 23, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another thing speaking of MOJO.....

back in the first half, it was third down and about two or three. Romo stands back there trying to find an open guy for several seconds. The field was wide open in front of him and he could have run for at least ten or fifteen yards. Instead of running right up the middle and sliding he tried a pass that was incomplete. In the old days, he would have just ran for it. Why’s that?

by texstar on Sep 24, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly..and i pointed that out in a few post here...he is like Mike Vick now, and wants to prove he can be a Brady/Peyton stand in the pocket type...

He’s got to get back to being the shifty, run threat to keep the LB’s honest…..he should be running at least 3-5 times a game just to keep the db’s looking back at him…Teams are just playing blanket zones now, and don’t worry about Romo rolling out or leaving the pocket or running up field……That is what got him to this stage….He is not the same QB as he was in ‘06-’07 ……and no he hasn’t gotten better…I pin alot of blame on him for this…but Wade Wilson/Garrett should also be utilizing his improvisation/ running skills, and promoting more running if nothing is there….Heck they even called a QB draw at the goal line…Romo’s best play of the game…..There is nothing wrong with a 6 yard run/slide once in awhile…INSTEAD we are getting 40 yard heaves into triple coverage to our 4th WR ??? Romo has been getting plenty of time to scan the field…nothing there….Run Tony Run……geeeez.

by My_2_Cents on Sep 24, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

blings that is very funny! hahahaha

by BishopWest on Sep 22, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand people make mistakes...

But at the same time, you have to understand the circumstances of the game. The first pick? Bad, but ok. The second one, fluky.

But the worst thing of all to me, is in a game where turnovers have already been a problem, that your running game is taking over, that you have the Giants on the ropes… At a time when you’re on their 47 with a first down and another long drive resulting in 7 gives you the game – your QB has to be smart enough to say "I’m not going to do anything risky. I’m going to do low risks passes, not give them a chance at a turn over and just grind this game out.

Hurd wasn’t wide open. There was a guy running with him – regardless of whether Romo saw the safety or not.

At that point in the game, you’re throwing safe underneath passes to keep the drive alive.

For Romo to chuck up a bomb there tells me that he either really doesn’t grasp game situations or that he just can’t control himself.

That’s the most frustrating thing.

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 4:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

 Hurd was NOT open.

The PIC was not about seeing the safety. It was about not seeing the rest of the field and throwing to an open receiver or throwing it away.

24-20, with the ball and momentum.

YOU JUST CANNOT THROW THAT PASS!!!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1....amen

It was ill advised and should not even been called….The game is to be leading when the clock runs out…….we had the lead, the ball, momentum, and the ponies in the stable to ride out the whole 4th quarter clock……

by My_2_Cents on Sep 23, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The guy running with him had no shot at the ball

it was the safety that Romo should have read.

You do realize that almost every single receiver on every play has someone running with him….

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no...

You simply do not allow the game to come down to a low percentage play where it takes a perfect pass to complete. You’re ahead, not behind. Unless Hurd is WIDE open and I mean by at least 5-7 yards, you cannot, under those game circumstances, make that throw.

You check it down, hit someone in the flat, and take your 5 yards. That’s what being a running team means.

Also, when you’ve been highly inaccurate all night, you can’t try to make perfect throws at all.

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes yes yes

Virtually every throw in the NFL is against single coverage. Holy shmokes, dude.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, you know nothing about football then...

There’s a time to take a chance and a time to win the game. If you really think that was the correct play, then many, many hall of famers disagree with you. I haven’t heard any that said Romo’s pass was a good play.

But hey, you run with that. I’m sure the Giants thought it was a great play.

by emoon3 on Sep 22, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read more carefully. Never said that play was a good one

I responded to your comment that you don’t throw to people who are covered. That is fundamental foortball in the NFL – all players wil have coverage of some kind. That’s why NFL QBs have to be able to complete passes in very small windows. Single coverage is what QBs dream about at night.

Romo threw into DOUBLE coverage at a time when it was unnecessary. That’s always a mistake even if you get away with it. Eli made the same mistake in the game – misread that his WR would be double covered and threw anyway. He was fortunate enough to be throwing against the Dallas secondary so he completed it. He was also wrong.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had 3 guys in the play once the ball got there...

Romo wasn’t on target and yet, he decided to chuck it up there anyway.

Sometimes, you shouldn’t drink your own bath water.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 22, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say

Never drink your own bath water. That’s disgusting.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 22, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd drink hers...

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Get past the 30 second commercial. It is so worth it.

Sheesh.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

She's from another world...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yum yum

holy apples dipped in honey! She is a super-hottie!

the link you provided is an outstanding use of off-topic blogging!

by Cowboy.Louie on Sep 28, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That play, emoon, was the backbreaker

And if the offensive coordinator can’t understand you can’t do that after horrible turnovers, he needs to go. This was not the time for the Cowboys to be breaking in Jason Garrett’s learning process as an offensive coordinator. That’s why the offense does not function properly when the chips are down. A dual personality as head coach is dysfunctional.The confidence of the team goes down the tube, on both offense and defense. Garrett had to step in there and do something, but he didn’t. He actually called the play himself, even after watching Romo have shaky passes and interceptions. If Garrett can’t hold Romo Accountable, he has to go, regardless of his affiliation with the Cowboys past and I don’t care what Aikman says. The situation has turned sour because of no control, period.
Any experienced offensive playcaller would have not thrown the ball in that situation given the turnovers and previous game shaky play over and over again against the Giants, as well as other teams. Sorry people, this time it’s not Romo, it’s Garrett for sure.

May I add that if Garrett is axed, then Romo will know definitely that he is next and that for sure will make him think twice about the risky throws, since obviously nothing else has made him stop.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here we go again -

This mistake by ROMO had nothing at all to do with Garrett

I’ll keep saying it until the cows come home.

The problem was not the play, but the player

by BishopWest on Sep 22, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Benthere...

If anyone other than Garrett called the play, then he really, really, really has lost control of not only Romo, but the entire offense. And some people here are questioning why I should be concerned about that.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we can agree on that. I've only seen one replay and didn't look to see

if Romo audibles out of the called play or not. It was a ground-level shot and I noticed the safety was so far back it looked like he was trying to make time with the cheerleaders. Then I wondered if maybe the Giants knew exactly what play was called and parked him back there? I’m no conspiracy theorist but it sure looked like they knew the play coming better than we did..

by Benthere on Sep 22, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bishopwest thinks I'm crazy...

for putting blame on that botched play for an interception on Garrett. I think it’s crazy that no one is being held accountable for that play, especially if Romo audibled for that play. If Romo did that, then he should be in trouble with the coaching staff. I know some people (like myself) believe it to be a big joke that last statement. But wouldn’t that be the right thing to do? Romo has not proven wise enough with the ball for such a call at such a critical juncture of a big game. If Garrett didn’t make the call, and Romo did, then that even further makes me believe Garrett has lost control of Romo and thus is even more useless than I first thought, giving further credibility that he was not the offensive coordinator for us, and we did not need to be breaking in a rookie Offensive coordinator these last 3 years. Romo needs a coach, plain and simple. someone needs to reprimand him NOW, not only 3 years ago up to now. No, I’m not blaming Romo or the defense like everybody else. I am blaming the coaches, specifically Garrett. Some people will say it’s Wade Wilson who should get in Tony’s face. Not me. I know it should be Garrett.

Personally, I like Garrett. We’ve invested too much time already in him, and I think he should stay. But if we keep him, we need a new head coach that has offensive traits and Characteristics- someone that will tell him what to call. This free pass at offensive coordinator and QB has to end, or else we will continue to lose the big games. Can someone please make the right calls at the end of games to win it- please step up to the podium one of these years! Someone that Garrett himself must answer to. Garrett himself needs more time to mature. Wade doesn’t embody that unfortunately. I like Wade, and I want to keep him as defensive coordinator, but the offense is what is making this team dysfunctional, from coaching. Some of us out here have assumed that the Cowboys would know what to do to put away the game and just run the ball. Even we now know what a wrong assessment that is. The Cowboys need strong coaches that hold the players accountable, and place expectations on them to perform and play smart, because That is just not happenning.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No dude

The QB has progressions he has to make.

He has to read the keys on the play. A deep ball like that one had to have the safety be one of the keys.

If Romo executed the play well, he would have checked down or thrown the ball away.

Your argument suggests that we should never call a pass play in a situation like the one we were in, and that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay Bling..

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

This is my view also.

You just can’t put it on Garrett. Romo shouldn’t have thrown to that route without seeing the FS.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 23, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It is Holmgren or Shanahan.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 27, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe Holmgren would be the best choice. Shanahan's reliance on zone blocking schemes doesn't fit our current O-line personel..

Although I’m in full support of Wade at the moment……I wish Holmgren would come here as an OC/Associate HC…which i think he would for some reason.

by My_2_Cents on Sep 28, 2009 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But at least....

give us a little explanation of what ails the offense, and what would have been the best call in that situation

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the play was a fine call

Think about this…

Hurd ended up with three (THREE!!!) defenders on him when the ball arrived.

By my count, that leaves very few other defenders on the field to cover the back, TE’s and other WR.

Somebody was likely open. Romo just screwed up (again). Even if no one was open, he always had the option to chuck it to Wade’s belly on the sideline and live to play another down. But this is Romo’s fatal flaw. HE MAKES CRAPPY DECISIONS!

What emoon’s post does evoke in me is this utterly maddening problem Romo has with his accuracy at the beginning of each game. For that, I have no reasonable answer. But I do know the coaches and Romo need to try something dramatically different to start his games, because what they are doing now…DOES…NOT…WORK.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear Blings..

I am not sitting here advocating Romo should be gone. I have even stated many times that I want no other QB. But to quote Wade, “Aw, shucks”, something has to be done.
something coaching wise with Romo. Something that will get HIS attention. Something HE will respect. I really don’t know what else it could be. I don’t even want us to get rid of Garrett after all this time of "Training " him. But the facts remain, something MUST be done. I would love to hear someone give some good options…..

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember a couple of years ago.....

Garrett would do our two minute offense to settle Romo down and get him in a groove. What do ya think about that? Just a thought.

by texstar on Sep 23, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reality Texstar...

is that Garrett can do things. But he either hasn’t tried them, won’t, or can’t, or like Blings say’s, it hasn’t had an effect. I think Garrett has to now, because he at least can’t afford to sit back and listen to Tony say over and over again “I’ll change, I’m changing, I’m changing”, because regardless of whether Bishop believes I’m crazy , and even if Blings disagrees, Garrett IS under a microscope and on a hot seat. His job is on the line, and Tony may cost him.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coming out in the no-huddle...

Hmm…I like it!!!

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I was doen with Winnie the day after his FIRST press conference!

And Jerry should be flogged for hiring assistants before the Head Coach.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

done*

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about hrowing some screen passes...

To get Romo is a groove. Every pass play in this offense is downfield. Use the short passign game when Romo is off like that. He’s got on read, throw to the back or throw it out of bounds.

Or quick slants maybe?

Three steps and throw.

by emoon3 on Sep 23, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1.......

never have figured that one out. That’s was how Irvin made his living off of back in the day. BTW, anybody hear Troy’s comments yesterday?

by texstar on Sep 24, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shorter QB's don't throw the slant well

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 24, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

My friend who lives in New Orleans says Payton has to create a lane for him in the line call so he can deliver the ball. At times, he has to do it without seeing the DB.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 24, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is true with any qb

Even tall qbs like Manning and Rivers throw passes through lanes. It’s really a misconception that tall qbs throw over the offensive line because that’s not the case.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 24, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But taller QB's can read the keys better

…and I have made this point before;

Romo has one of the TALLEST O-Lines in football. Coupling that with him being on the shorter side and I have always wondered if that has something to do with how he makes decisions.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 27, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The screen is for blitzes or over active pass rush.

The Giants just didnt blitz much at all and their pass rush wasnt all that overly agressive.

We all want to see the screen but every play is designed for something and their just wasnt a place for it.
Actually, a screen or 2 may have been called in the huddle but changed at the line of scrimmage when Giants werent in the right D for it.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Sep 25, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry to say that...

Romo did not earn the right to make that throw in that game. His passes were off all day, and there was no need to call a pass. He has to earn that right. It’s not automatic in my book. I know a touchdown is desired by all, but our running game was, well, nothing short of unstoppable. To abandon it was typical Garrett. The feeling I got in this game was the run, smashingly successful, was still just an afterthought in the Coordinators mind, thus making it hard not to question him and the playcalling.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 10:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember this one time

Eli Manning threw 4 picks for touchdowns. 4! For touchdowns. He quite obviously cost his team a win at home. The entire New York media and fan base were bashing Eli and Coughlin, planning on who would be their next QB and coach. And then guess what? They actually allowed Eli to play another game and he wasn’t as bad. In fact, HE LEAD THE GIANTS TO THE SUPER BOWL!

Sorry to break up your Romo bashing circle jerk here, but we have 14 more games to play. The season is just beginning, not ending. Romo has plenty of time to atone for his mistakes.

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 23, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Except Romo actually throws touchdowns.

Lots and lots of them. It helps us win football games.

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 23, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did ryan leaf every do anything?

when exactly was ryan leaf 28-12 as a starter?

by foyesboys on Sep 23, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comparing two young QB’s in similar situations isn’t relevant?

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 24, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are both talented QB's

that have been prone to making mistakes in the past. If you don’t see any parallels between the two then you aren’t paying attention.

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 25, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only in the sense that they are both NFL QBs.

They have different playing styles, different pedigrees, play for different systems, became starters in very different matters, and have had different levels of success.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 28, 2009 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess that is your tally for what you pick as big games.

Ever notice how the games you lose are bigger games than the ones you win.
Romo was 4-1 against Giants but the only “Big” games was the playoff loss and this one.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Sep 25, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Doomsday

The Romo bashing has gotten completely out of hand and the fact is Romo will have at least three times as many really good games as bad over the course of the season. He is what he is, a really good qb who is prone to making impulse, bad decisions. Sometimes it costs the team a win, most of the time it doesn’t.

I agree with Nick Eatman over at DC.com that Romo is the very heart and soul of the team and he gives us the best chance to win each game. Romo bashers and critics don’t want to believe that, but it’s the truth.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that is fair

I have supported Romo for some time and even talked about how I thought he would improve dramatically this year.

Unfortunately, I see the same careless behavior coupled with the same poor decision making that he displayed in his early starts. In some ways, Romo has declined in terms of his development. At camp in Oxnard a few years ago, Peter King told me Romo looked great because he was checking down properly and not tossing it up for grabs or holding it too long like Bledsoe. Now, it seems he has begun to believe his own press clippings and his development has stunted or maybe even regressed.

My point is that just because people are down on Romo, doesn’t make them bashers. Many of them have been in his corner for a long time and it took a long time for him to lose their trust.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you will always see those flaws in Romo

They will never completely go away, we can only hope they decrease to a certain extent. My point is that Jerry Jones has a lot of faith and confidence in Romo even if a lot of fans don’t so you have to learn to deal with his mistakes from time to time or going to go crazy as a fan.

Me personally, I’ve learned to accept Romo and his flaws because I still believe he can improve and get better in the future. I disagree with fans who think he’s peaked and can’t get better. If he limits his impulse throws as time goes on, he’ll be a better qb and the Cowboys will be a better team as a result. Fans have to be patient, he hasn’t even played in 50 games yet.

Patience is a virtue my friend.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry had a lot of faith and confidence in Quincy Carter too...

just sayin’.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Traded up to get him as I recall

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Sep 23, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

I’m trying to erase the whole QC era out of my long term memory.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 23, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All of it

The playoff season was a cruel mirage that actually kept BP from initiating his makeover for another season. His biggest mistake in Dallas was not rebuilding from the day he set foot in Valley Ranch, IMO.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 23, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it is a mirage

It’s an extremely convincing one.

IMO, Romo is the real deal. I can see him continuing to lead Dallas into post season contention every season for the next 5 to 6 seasons.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 25, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is that in his only full year as a starter, Quincy led the Cowboys to 10-6 and a first round playoff exit. Other than 2007, where they still had a first round playoff exit, they haven’t done that well since Carter was cut. I’m not saying Quincy was a great QB or anything, and clearly he had substance abuse problems, but I think people disrespect him more than he deserves.

You say that Romo is extremely convincing if he is a mirage, but just look at this thread, or read recent articles, and it would seem that a LOT of people are not so convinced. Personally, I don’t know. Every time I think the guy is finally ready to turn the corner, like December 2007, December 2008, and starting this year, he comes out and lays an egg. I want to believe, but he’s making it more and more difficult.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 25, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Carter

He had some talent, and might have become an average starter or good backup, if he had stayed clean and focused himself. But he didn’t, so I can only go on what he did, which hurt the team. I think the disrespect is well earned.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 26, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not 67 million dollars worth

You sign a qb to those franchise qb type numbers, you have a lot of faith in the guy.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point was that Jerry has a history of misplaced faith...

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whether it's misplaced or not doesn't matter

The only faith that matters is Jerry’s because he owns and runs the team and so long as he remains a Romo fan, Romo will be the starting qb whether fans like it or not.

Fans can bitch and moan all they want, but 67 million is 67 million and that means Romo will be the starting qb for the Cowboys for the forseeable future, warts and all.

Fans that don’t like Romo and are tired of his mistakes have to just learn to accept it because their complaints won’t change anything.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 23, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

You’re saying I shouldn’t bitch and moan on here about any player that Jerry pays big bucks to?

I thought that’s what this site was about…unabated opinionated banter about our team.

Am I reading you right?

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not at all, bitch and rant all you want

As a fan you’re entitled to do so, but to me I think it’s kind of silly for fans to make declarations about players when they are not based in reality or fact.

Complaining about Romo after a loss and stating he should be replaced might make some fans feel good, but it’s not going to change the reality that he will be the Cowboys qb in the forseebale future simply because he has the faith and trust in the owner, GM and coaching staff and has a very fat contract to boot.

I personally am not into the blame game myself because ultimately it doesn’t do any good. I’ve resigned myself to the fact blaming players is a waste of time, it accomplishes nothing really.

The Cowboys lost Sunday and you can blame Romo or you can blame the defense or you can blame the coaches and really they are all to blame, but at the end of the day, what does it accomplish really?

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 23, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

if the coaches see the problems and correct them, it could make a huge difference

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I think that happens

after every loss, my point though really, is that you win as a team and lose as a team and pointing fingers isn’t healthy.

Maybe I’m old school, but that’s how i see it.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 23, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We assumed you were of legal age when you became a fan

…so the Old School thing could stick.

:-)

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 27, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minimize

exactly. If he even cut back by 10% he would be in line with all the elite QBs.

I just don’t see it as impossible. I think he’s working on it because he loves winning and hates losing. Virtually all these athletes do. And for those who are ego driven, they hate looking like a punk.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hold on...

I would say that Romo still checks down pretty well in my opinion. He throws to Marion a ton and is pretty damn good at finding Witten for 8-10 yards. He definitely needed to reel himself in on Sunday, but to say he is “tossing it up for grabs” seems really strong considering how great those same deep throws looked in the 2nd half of the Tampa game.

At the end of the day, he played bad and I think he knows it. Let’s at least give him a chance to rebound before we go for his jugular. If he comes out on Monday and stinks up the joint, I will definitely be willing to discuss what is wrong or what isn’t there, but for now, I think we should all back off the ledge a bit.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not the check downs, it's the decision to throw deep into coverage instead of the check down...

The 2nd half of the Tampa game got too much hype for the wrong reasons. Romo was piss poor in the first half of that game too.

In addition, I wouldn’t call the pass to Austin a deep ball. His ball to Crayton was more a RAC event too. Only the ball deep to RW in stride was really a deep ball, IMO, given how far it traveled in the air.

Situational Leadership. Something that guys like Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco already have and Romo does not. Jugular or no jugular, I think you have it right. We have seen that there may just be a lower ceiling for Romo than those other QB’s.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the topic of the Giants game, I would be the first to admit that Romo should have seen the safety. That was his mistake. But when you examine the decision within itself (and not examine his pre-play reads) to throw it to Hurd, who had his defender beaten, it isn’t a terrible decision. It definitely was a terrible read, but not a bad decision when you take into account that he didn’t think the safety was there. It feels weird to use a bad read to defend a bad play, but I think it is important to make the distinction between a bad read and a decision to simply chuck the ball up into double coverage (because remember, he thought it was single coverage). That is why I don’t think it is fair to just say he is “tossing it up for grabs.” I am not quite sure if this paragraph made any sense but essentially I guess I am just saying that Romo’s deep interception was a bad read, not him purposefully chucking the ball into double coverage.

And as for the Tampa Bay game, I don’t know if I buy what you are selling. That throw to Austin wasn’t a traditional deep ball, but that ball was on the money and was down the field on a rope. Definitely a great throw in my opinion. The Crayton throw was definitely not hard, but he put it where it had to be for Crayton to score. To me that is a good throw. And yes, RW’s throw was pretty awesome. So yes, his first half was not great by any means. That second half though in my opinion was pretty damn impressive.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair...

his passes for most of the Giants game were off target. The interception that came off of Witten’s kick was fluky, but would not have happened if he led Witten properly.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1.......

and his passes were off in the first half of the Tampa game as well. That’s what has me concerned. It’s not just this Giants game. Look back towards the end of last year-Pitt,Ravens,Philly,Tampa. He was off target. This is not just a one game thing. Everyone wants to call that a flukey interception, but it was a bad pass.

by texstar on Sep 24, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sort of true

He was very good in the firt two drives of the TB game. Missed on only one pass in two drives and that was the high-low pass to Bennett in the end zone. Then he had a rough drive. In the rest of the game, he was pretty accurate. His pass to RW for the long TD could not have been better.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 24, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunk......

I think this game will be huge for Romo with all the criticism that has been launched at him this week from the media. I mean when ESPN does a survey and 87% of the people say that Romo will not ever take the Cowboys to a Super Bowl that’s pretty significant. Plus, you have Dorsett and Aikman making comments. I was afraid this would happen when I saw all the Legendary Cowboys there at the game. My point is, unlike some others, I said months ago that by getting rid of T.O. this would put more pressure on Romo because all excuses would be gone. Some said it would be less pressure, but I disagreed. Unfortunately, it looks like I’m correct?

by texstar on Sep 24, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest

all games will be huge for Romo. The Cowboys get extra attention and Romo’s brilliance coupled with his bad games has made him a media facination.

i think he is more than aware and that’s the only thing I worry about – that he’s is going to try to so fundamentally change his game that he begins to hesitate. I have no problem with him slowly working his way through his ball security issues. What I don’t want is him over-thinking the position. It makes you play too slowly.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 24, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree completely......

and I want to add that many thought that by eliminating T.O. that all of Romo’s downsides like interceptions and carelessness with the ball would just magically go away thus the term “Romo Friendly”. I warned that when you eliminate T.O. is would put even more pressure on Romo to produce-therefore it puts all the media scrutiny on him. The big question is can he handle it? We’ll see soon enough whenever they play a really good team. Unfortunately Romo will have a big bulls eye on his chest this year until he proves otherwise.

by texstar on Sep 24, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree the pressure is always there on Romo

 The qb of the Cowboys is under the microscope more than any other player in the league. There is will always be tremendous pressure regardless who is or who isn’t on the roster.

Living up to the greatness of Staubach and Aikman is a very difficult thing to do and therefore the pressure to succeed will always be there.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 24, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

especailly when they keep getting the former guys to comment on the current ones. Talk about a load.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 25, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

that he needed to reel himself in and make better throws and the Witten throw was a great example. I was just kind of addressing the general discussion about the 3rd interception.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 24, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Ryan

crapped out in the playoffs last year, coming up with a far more destructive performance to his team than Romo did in either of the two playoff games, but we’ll just ignore that.

by foyesboys on Sep 23, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was a rookie, for cryin' out loud!

Foyes, that is ridiculous.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then what about Aaron Rodgers?

A lot of people consider him in the top-10 area and he hasn’t accomplished nearly as much as Romo. I bet a lot of Cowboys fans would trade Romo straight up for Rodgers too.

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 24, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Matt Ryan is a good player..

But when so many people say that Tony “isn’t a winner,” and that QB’s like Ryan are, isn’t it fair to bring up his success in the playoffs regardless of his year.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 24, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That should be a question mark

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 24, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

In Ryan’s biggest game in his career, hes fallen flat. How can anyone tell me hes a winner and Romo isn’t?

by foyesboys on Sep 24, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who's calling him a winner? Ryan, Flacco, Rodgers all have progressed/advanced sooner than Romo..

And they are all much younger, and will all assurably will get even better, and by their 7th season, will all be perennial pro bowl QB’s…

THIS IS ROMO’S DEFINING SEASON PERIOD…..He will either finally break through and advance into the playoffs, or he will go down as Danny White #2, and we’ll soon be looking for our next Steve Pelluer and Gary Hogaboom. Personally I don’t think McGee is the answer, but you never know, as he’s got 3 more years to hone his skills and learn the NFL game, I just did NOT like anything I seen in preseason about him. I will say it now, passing on Nate Davis is going to haunt us a few years down the line…you watch, and you heard it here.

by My_2_Cents on Sep 25, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

People keep calling Romo Danny White...

But Danny White won playoff games and went to multiple NFC championship games.

I’d take that right about now…

by emoon3 on Sep 25, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

@emoon...If you think for one minute winning some playoff games and advancing to a conference game is a bench mark for excellence....

Then you obviously don’t hold to tradition of what the Dallas Cowboys are all about….Happy with “almost” made it???…I don’t think Jerry Jones would agree with you at all, and neither should most fans.

by My_2_Cents on Sep 25, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be satisfied...

But I’d take it over what we’ve had over the last few years in a heartbeat.

by emoon3 on Sep 26, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it funny enough that you claim to know the future

regarding three different QB’s, but then you go ahead and say that Nate Davis will haunt us. The dude isn’t even active on the roster on game days and can’t pass Alex Smith on the depth chart. I think the odds of him haunting us are pretty low.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 25, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

@Cowboysfan...Once again...call me Nostradamus if you may, but I know talent, and I know Nate Davis will be the starting QB in San Fran within the next 3 years.

Just as I knew Aaron Rodgers would be the best player coming out of his respective draft (and we should have drafted him…btw….I had projected top level by his sophomore season in college) I was a big advocate of Joe Flacco prior to the draft, and he’s well on his way to stardom. I liked Sanchez of Stafford, and we’ll see how that works out……I have a talent for projecting players, and have been doing it for over 25 years..Remember this day that I told you Nate Davis will be a star in San Fran……write it down.

by My_2_Cents on Sep 25, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay... we will see...

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 25, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and they were all 1st rd draft picks as well

They should develop faster than an undrafted FA from a div I-AA college.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 25, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why? Is it that he is less talented or that he doesn’t work as hard?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 25, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 Baked.......I don't care where a guy is drafted, or drafted at all.....All are given the same play book ,and rookie/offseason programs,

I don’t buy that at all……You see talent day one…..Eastern Illinois or Notre Dame…makes no difference…….Flacco was a Division A-11 player, was he not????

by My_2_Cents on Sep 25, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's because division I-A players

are more ready for the pro game than lower level college players, especially at the qb position. They receive better coaching and face better competition.

I think it’s obvious Romo is a hard worker and is talented or he wouldn’t have made it this far being a division I-AA player.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 25, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hes undersized, not prototypical qb at all

and had to really rework his throwing motion and learn to take care of the ball better than he did previously to even earn the starter spot in the first place.

Romo was a project that panned out.

by foyesboys on Sep 25, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They say that because he doesn't kill his team with dumb decisions

The same goes for Flacco.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 27, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter....

how many bloggers here or fans in general do not want Romo, or think he is no good. What does matter is what is happenning to help him evolve, and is there progress. Regardless of what anyone say’s and believes, I believe in him.

But I also believe that his coaching is not good enough. If anyone wants to belittle or berate me for my belief in that, fine. I can live with that. In the end, we all want the same thing- not just Cowboy victories, but Cowboy victories in big games against the opponents that matter the most, like the Giants. We are not far from that. The problem is we have not been far from that for awhile now. Something has to change for us to get over the hump.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And do you know how they won that Superbowl?

They told Eli to basically stop throwing and just hand off the ball and throw quick screens and not get in the way while the rest of the team won the game.

Eli did NOT lead that team to a Superbowl win. Their defensive front and running game did. All they asked Eli to do was not make mistakes.

by emoon3 on Sep 23, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I might have believed that

before the ‘08 season, but come on. The guy is good and he’s proved it. They weren’t trying to hide him at all, they just ran the ball, which is what you have to do to win late in the year. It’s also what we should be doing.

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 24, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Early in the year

Eli was throwing picks. I live in NYC and that year, people wanted his head AND Coughlin’s head.

It wasn’t until they played the Pats tough that anyone here thought the team could do anything.

Trust me, any knowledgeable Giants fan knows the truth. A buddy of mine said, "it’s ironic that the Giants D holds one of the most prolific offenses in NFL History to 14 points and Eli wins the MVP.

If that defense hadn’t played like it did, those 17 points Eli put up would have only kept the Giants with 21.

by emoon3 on Sep 25, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a huge injustice to give Eli the MVP

He played fine, but that defense won all of their playoff games and the SB and should have gotten the recognition.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 25, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Harrison should have gotten last years MVP but they will always give to the qb if the game is won on a last minute drive.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 25, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

there’s clearly a lean away from awarding it to defensive players and toward QBs.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 25, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope it's not like the injury last year

…where the training staff have him on the field too soon and it lingers…

Personally, I was looking forward to the Flash and Tash show.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too.....

I’d sit him if you can.

by texstar on Sep 23, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys say they feel like they can play all the time

and then can’t. Barber has the same injury Stephen Jackson had last year and that kept him out for a month. Besides, if there are lingering effects in Barber’s quad, he is no use to us. The quad is one of the most vital muscles to a running back and if Barber is lacking burst, he sucks. We saw that last year when he tried to come back from his toe injury, as 5Blings alluded to.

Plus it’s dumb to rush him back considering we have two great backs in Felix and Choice. Hell, Felix could easily be the best back on our team, and this is his time to prove it.

by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 23, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

If we can’t beat Carolina with their crippled offense, then we deserve our fate.

"Well, we didn't block real good but we made up for it by not tackling."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Sep 23, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say we sit Barber regardless....don't need him.....umnmmm..Felix and Choice are just fine ....

PLUS I PLAN ON STARTING FELIX In Fantasy Football this week…I hope Barber sits..

by My_2_Cents on Sep 25, 2009 12:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hahahahaha...

You are a fan of Jay Mariotti’s opinions. I think that tells me all I need to know.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 25, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugghhh

Slanted, biased crap from Mariotti. But, at least I recognize now where a lot of fans get their opinions on Romo. The backwards baseball cap comment was the tell.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 25, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So does Jimmy Johnson

See above.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 25, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Given the proper coaching and game plan, Jimmy believes in him. I’m not so sure that Jimmy believes that he has that, and I know that I’m not sure that he does.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 25, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well of course he believes in game planning and coaching

He’s Jimmy Johnson!

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 26, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly...

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 25, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe in Romo...There have been times when I felt he was the best QB in football...but those are memories of 2007.

I can criticize him when needed….and right now he deserves to be criticized… point blank…..He does not need to be the focal point of this offense for it to work….execute the basics…plain and simple….I put more blame on Garrett and Wilson than anything.

by My_2_Cents on Sep 28, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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