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Same ol' song & dance. Romo will not be starting next year. INT KING

Tony Romo. Well likable QB that most everyone has come to enjoy watching when he is playing well. He can be electrifying. I read that Coach Parcells used to tell Romo if he can learn to manage the game and tame his gunslinger ways he could be a very good QB. Romo is cut from the Brett Farve mold. Under pressure, they both make more mistakes than they should. One difference, Farve would make a big play, then put up an INT. Farve can win close games after a few INT's. Romo plays terrible for most of the entire game. Romo is not going to change. He is not going to get better with his decision making. This kind of thing can't be taught. It just is his mentality. Look at Shaun Hill of the 49ers. This guy doesn't look great, isn't fun to watch but he is a winner. He is 9-3 and has around a 90 QB rating. Do the fans want the wins or the excitement?

There needs to be a change at the QB. After this year. Give Romo this year to either #$%! or get off the pot. If he fails, Dallas needs to give the other 51 players a shot with a new QB. He might not be as flashy, but if a QB can make the throws when needed, manage the game without turning the ball over, that team has a good chance to win. Especially if that team has a good running game and a solid defense. (well, at least Dallas has one out of two after week 2).

Romo can tell himself and everyone else that he will get better but when that split second comes and he throws the pass and it floats right to the CB or Safety, you have to wonder, will this guy ever change? I'll be saying this again, I'm sure of it. He may win some exciting games this year but when it comes down to getting into the playoffs or the actual playoff games, he chokes. He is an INT king.

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He frustrates the heck out of me too at times, however...

… let’s not forget how many games he’s won us and the Cowboys record since he’s been our starting QB.

Finally, with all due respect, quarterbacks don’t grow on trees, and they take time to groom and learn a new system.

Yes, #9 pissed me off last Sunday night, but I’d rather someone get more strict with him — to get him to improve — as opposed to starting all over again.

And that’s why I say the problem is the head coach.

Speaking of which, isn’t our head coach supposed to be a defensive guru?

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Sep 22, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

let’s not forget how many games he’s won us and the Cowboys record since he’s been our starting QB

yeah 9-7 last year…….and also week 17 of ’08 baby

R.I.P, Air McNair & JJ

by number5 on Sep 23, 2009 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uh, I was talking about his NFL career record as a starter

2006: 6-4 (loss to Seahawks in playoffs)

2007: 13-3 (loss to Giants in playoffs)

2008: 8-5 (injured for three games/Brad Johnson went 1-2 as starter in Romo’s absence)

2009: 1-1

Up to this point… 28 wins, 15 losses (yes, I counted the two playoff heartaches).

That’s better than 5-11 in the three consecutive seasons (2003-2005) prior to 2006.

Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/

by silverblue5 on Sep 23, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hang on tight

to your day job…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 22, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Blah blah blah blah blah

Someone needs to write a “Moneyball” for football to educate these fair-weathered hot-tempered knuckle draggers. Romo is not the
problem.

Squish.

by Squishmytomato on Sep 22, 2009 2:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

You're free to think whatever you like, I respect your opinion

…but I couldn’t disagree more – Romo is a Farve clone with a much higher risk factor, and a lot less reward factor

by BishopWest on Sep 22, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

As much as i like Romo

He is not the answer… Im all for giving him another year. But Mcgee is IMO the future not Romo

by regaberto on Sep 22, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think, based off of two preseason games, that McGee is for sure the future? That is laughable at best.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 22, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

What have you possibly seen in McGee

to anoint him the future of this franchise? Not saying he won’t develop someday, but we’re talking years before we know anything about him.

by Joon on Sep 23, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not saying hes the future of the franchise...

But theres only so much hope you can put into one guy. I think mcgees is going to be our future qb 3 years from now not romo.

by regaberto on Sep 25, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just to argue:

4 of Romo’s last 6 starts have resulted in passer ratings below 67. Does poor play over 6 games really make someone "fair-weathered " or “hot-tempered” if they want him replaced? It’s not as if he has led them to a championship or even a playoff win to grant him some benefit of the doubt.

And is the name calling really necessary? That just makes your argument look weaker, in my opinion.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

His alltime passer rating is still pretty high

One thing I dont like about the passer rating is it can be deceiving sometimes.Just because picks are thrown or tallied against a QB doesnt necessarily mean it was the QB’s fault. I seem to remember a certain receiver quitting on some routes and causing picks for Romo. Also what about that fluke of a pick off of Wittens foot? So lucky its not even funny. Nearly crapped my pants

by ProudBoyzLifer on Sep 22, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

silverblue

I’ve been complaining about Wade since he’s been here, but he’s not the reason Romo makes bad decisions. Romo makes bad decisions under pressure. Some people can perform under pressure better than others. Other than hard work and skill set, that is what sets apart the top sportsmen and women.

For example, I have a friends on the Asian Pro Golf tour. He has the skill set and hard work put in to make the PGA. He has won many times on the Asian. He chokes too often to make the PGA. Golf especially, is a mental game. He shoots consitently in the mid to upper 60’s in practice.

IMO Romo will never get over the INT’s. This will always plague him.

by torchindefenses on Sep 22, 2009 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Squishmytomatoe

SQUASH!!!

You are obviously a Romo “lover”. That’s fine, I hope I’m wrong. He will win some games no question. He is too inconsistent to take this team far into the playoffs. It’s just not going to happen. You just showed your IQ of 70 by the way.

by torchindefenses on Sep 22, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Wrong. I actually cringe every time Terry touches a keyboard.

I’m just frustrated at your (and others) attempt(s) to use anecdotal evidence to make sweeping irrational claims.

Romo had a poor game. He’s still a good quarterback. It’s maddening the way people overreact.

Squish.

by Squishmytomato on Sep 22, 2009 2:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

but hes your franchise qb and you let him play throught he struggles.

Before this stretch, I had a ton of faith in Romo as a qb, not its being tested. Giving up on him now woudl be flat out dumb, but at the same time, it deserves a more serious response imo than just “he has good games and bad” cause right now, hes having more bad than good

by foyesboys on Sep 22, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, Okay

You missed my point entirely though. I am not giving a rash, irrational claim here. Romo has been at the helm for 3 years now. He has shown glimses of brilliance but has always shown his ability to lose big games by making too many mental mistakes. Romo right now at 2 games played is eighth in INT"s thrown with a passer rating of 82.4. In 2007 when Dallas went 13-3, Romo was 4th on the list of INT’s thrown with 19. He was better in 2008 with 14, which was pretty good. Romo threw the game losing INT in the Giants playoff loss in 08. Romo lost the game with the botched hold in Seattle 07. I think Romo is a choker and it is backed up by his performances. This is from the Wikipedia on Romo.

“In what became a de facto third playoff game for Romo shortly prior to its start, on December 28, 2008, Romo and the Cowboys failed to compete against the Philadelphia Eagles in a 44-6 loss. Romo committed three turnovers in the game and went 21/39 for 183 yards and no touchdowns. The loss dropped Romo’s combined record in December to 5-8 and again raised questions concerning Romo’s performance in games of consequence.”

by torchindefenses on Sep 22, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions  

just a little FF, or Fun Fact. What other QB in the NFC East has the same December record as Tony Romo in the last two seasons?

Answer: Eli Manning (Man I wish I could get this printed upside down, that would be awesome)

by sduncan24 on Sep 22, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who was the open receiver.....

…..Romo was supposed to hit on the play where he threw the “game-losing” INT against the Giants? I think you’re very entitled to your opinion, by the way, of Romo as a choker and the fact is that he has to accomplish certain things to shed that label. I just think saying that particular play was a horrible mistake by Romo is a stretch; Witten didn’t even run a route on that particular play as he had to stay in and pass protect; that was how lousy the pass protection had gotten by that point.

Romo’s real costly error in that Giants playoff game was missing T.O. on an easy TD pass in the 3rd quarter; much the same way that Romo threw an erratic pass on what should’ve been an easy completion to Jason Witten Sunday Night; only something much worse than an incompletion happened in the latter instance. Stupid decisions are one thing; weird accuracy issues are another and perhaps even more alarming.

by MadMick on Sep 22, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome, dude

like 5 million people have made the same thread before you right after the game.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Sep 22, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Redundancy

How many “Romo is bad” themed fanposts have already argued (better than this one) why he will never win the big game, playoffs, SB.

We get it already.

So it begins...

by APerfectStar on Sep 22, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is the most ironic thing I have ever seen.

Since South Park is NOTORIOUS for beating a dead horse (and that other favorite “Subtlety of a Sledgehamer”

I AM THE LAST NAKED WARRIOR!

by Nelson... on Sep 22, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh is this another Romo bashing thread?

Clever and original I presume

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 22, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions  

The team can't win with Romo...

… Or at least that’s the notion.

Is it really true? For example, let’s say that the Cowboys found a way to win this past Sunday. Would you put all of the weight of the blame for the loss on Manning? In the end the Cowboys gifted the Giants many of their points either directly or on short fields, but they did end up 0 for 4 in red zone sits… Or do you also blame their Defense because they couldn’t stop the run game? Or the game plan? Preparation? Etc.

That’s what happens when we talk Cowboys, the talk is too QB centric… Football = Team Sport… The Defense could have stepped up to help their struggling QB, I’m still waiting for the Defense to show up.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Didn't you just say they were 0 for 4 in the red zone?

Is that not the defense showing up and helping their struggling QB?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, but...

They allowed 2 long TD catches and the Giants scored 4 FGs on them.

We’re talking about 26 points… And 16 of those came on long, time consuming, drives.

No sacks and no turnovers. Our team is the only one with big fat zeros in both categories… You just can’t downplay the Defense, my friend.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Sep 22, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

So they allowed one TD drive over 30 yards.

The Giants longest time of possession on a scoring drive was 4 minutes and 47 seconds. That’s not really that long. Romo threw a TD pass for the Giants, and they had 2 drives start inside our 30. Back those out, and the D gave up 16 points and forced them to punt 5 times. That’s not that bad. There’s only so much you can do when your offense not only keeps giving them the ball back, but also scores points for the other team.

Here were their scoring drives:

FG – 9 plays, 71 yards, 4:29
FG – 7 plays, 18 yards, 4:06
TD – 3 plays, 28 yards, 0:35
TD – 4 plays, 73 yards, 1:58
FG – 7 plays, 40 yards, 4:47
FG – 11 plays, 56 yards, 3:40

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo = #3 most winning QB in the league

behind only Brady and Manning. Perception from most recent game clouds long-term memory and judgment…

by scottmaui on Sep 22, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

9-7 in his last 16 starts.

2-4 in his last 6.

So are you trying to point out to us that Romo is trending downward?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

he just had his career best yards and nearly perfect rating

back to back with one of the worst games of his career.

not much help in trend spotting there lol

5 of his last six games were against top 5 defenses.

obviously his 07 season was better than his 08 season, but there were plenty of other circumstances too (injuries etc) and every QB has up and down seasons, and will seem to be trending up or down depending on how far back you look. even two seasons are hardly enough data to judge his overall quality. now if he continues to struggle and make mistakes and has another season like the last, then we’ll see more of the story, but I just want to keep in perspective how good he’s really been overall in his career before we seek to cast him out due to overreacting to the relatively recent past.

by scottmaui on Sep 23, 2009 4:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't that the problem with Romo?

That he’s wildly inconsistent and starts slow? How is the team supposed know if it is just another slow start or if he is having one of his off nights, because they look the same.

He has played 4 of his last 6 games against top 5 defenses, but what does that matter? He played horribly against all of them. If he isn’t good enough to at least be mediocre against one of them, that is another reason that he needs to be replaced, because 3 of last year’s top 5 were in our division. Unfortunately we don’t play the Buccaneers 16 times per year.

One thing that has been said for Romo over and over and over by his defenders is that you have to take the bad with the good, and as long as the good outweighs the bad, then it’s no problem. Well, lately the bad is outweighing the good.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

hate to admit it......

but you are right. Everyone seems to get caught up in the games that he performs great in against bad teams. They forget that he seems to choke against the good ones. It’s like Tony Dorsett said yesterday that people annointed him as this superstar before he had done anything. I’m beginning to believe that.

by texstar on Sep 23, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

i think it's the opposite

his critics tend to focus on the games he chokes, and forget about the games he plays well (and not just against bad teams). and Tony Dorsett was criticizing the media as much as anything. If he wasn’t the QB of the Cowboys he wouldn’t be a “super star” he’d be just another good QB, but what he has done is put up stats that don’t lie, including the #3 all-time high passer rating which takes into account interceptions, and #3 all-time YPA which correlates strongly with team success. Far ahead of many great QBs at the same point in their careers. You don’t get stats like that by only performing well against bad team and choking against good teams. We just tend to remember the chokes that do happen and put more emotional weight on them than the statistical reality justifies.

by scottmaui on Sep 23, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Scott.....

I am blaming the media to some extent too. They annointed him as a super-star when he wasn’t there yet. I mean to be honest, do you really think he deserved to go to the Pro-Bowl his first year? He hadn’t even played a full year. My point is, Romo got hyped up way too much before he had proven anything. Part of this is Jerry’s fault because he loves the publicity etc. By putting Romo up on such a pedastal you set him up for failure because he’s not in the same league as the elite ones like Manning, Brady etc. Since the bar has been raised to that level, when he fails, people get really disappointed and mad. Is this making any sense?

by texstar on Sep 23, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

expectations

yes, and a lot of this goes to expectations. both the media and fans have such high standards for our team and our QB that we expect him to perform at an very high level all the time and get very frustrated at those times when he doesn’t. I’m totally with you there, and I’m just trying to say it is helpful at times like these to take a step back and look at how good his overall career really has been so far to get some perspective….

by scottmaui on Sep 23, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just want him to not perform at a low level.

He doesn’t need to have a passer rating over 90 in every single game, in my opinion. When you look at the Cowboys wins and losses over the past 3 years, regardless of QB, they win about 85% of the time when the QB’s passer rating is above 72. I think we can both agree, that is not exactly lighting it up. And they lose about 85% of the time when the QB’s passer rating is below 72.

It’s very simple, and was the case this past Sunday: As long as the QB of this team doesn’t play poorly, not even plays well – just not poorly, they usually win.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree......

he didn’t have to be Superman in this game-just manage the game. That’s my main problem with him. He tries to go for the Big Play instead of managing the game. He needs to take a flyer from his hero Favre this year. Favre, so far, is managing he game not trying to win it.

by texstar on Sep 23, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup

like they say, it’s not about how many great plays you make, it’s about how many bad plays you don’t make. we have to accept that there will be some mistakes with the style of QB he is, but to be a truly great qb, and live up to our expectations, means improving in that area, knowing when to manage the game and avoid risk, and it really is disappointing to see him revert to old form after this was what he defined as his major off-season focus. hopefully he takes a big lesson from this game and continues to grow and progress into the elite qb we all hope he can be.

by scottmaui on Sep 23, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cold Hard Facts

I posted this in another thread, but for anyone calling for us to find another QB, I really encourage everyone to go back and read the Cold Hard Football Facts article on Romo.

[Romo’s] production is not merely good: It’s spectacular.
 
Just 40 starts into his career, Romo is on pace to challenge or even rewrite the records in some of the most important indicators of quarterbacking success. He’s certainly living up to the standards of a franchise that’s been consistently blessed for more than 40 years with some of the best field generals in the game. But not even Dallas legends Aikman, Staubach or Dandy Don put up these kinds of numbers.
 
Romo is still shy of the minimum 1,500 attempts needed to qualify for official NFL records (he’s attempted 1,334 passes). But he’ll reach that milestone some time in October – and when he does he’ll find himself in very elite statistical company.

Here’s some of the cold hard stats:

Passer Rating
After the Bucs game, Romo was #2 in all-time passer rating leaderboard, which takes into account interceptions. #2 all-time! That’s better than Peyton Manning, better than Tom Brady. Maybe he’ll slip back to #3 after laying the egg last night, but still… And Romo isn’t that far back from Steve Young at #1, and if he can manage to clean up his bad decisions some, this season he could become the most efficient passer in the history of the game. Again, that includes factoring in his interceptions. Yet some are ready to look for a replacement after one bad game so far this season? (And oh btw, after the first 2 games, Romo has a better passer rating than Tom Brady so far this season.)

Yards Per Attempt
Romo is #3 all-time in YPA, which is a good indicator of QB quality and team success. Romo is better in YPA than Brady, better than P. Manning, better than every other QB who has played the game except Otto Graham and Sid Luckman. Yet some are ready to look for a replacement after one bad game so far this season?

Victories
Romo is 28-13 overall, with only Brady and Big Ben having a higher win percentage among active QBs. Yet some are ready to look for a replacement after one bad game so far this season? I call that downright crazy.

Look, I’m as upset at anyone about how poorly he played, and that the ball security focus that he was supposedly working on in the off-season obviously needs more focus still. He deserves much of the blame for that loss, and deserves plenty of criticism.

But I think a lot of fans are really overreacting to this one game, especially given that this was against a defense that is rated as one of the best in the league. What he doesn’t deserve is to have so-called fans calling for his head after one bad game.

I still firmly believe he is one of the best QBs in the game, and his numbers above back it up. #2 most efficient passer of all time. #3 YPA all time. #3 win percentage among active QBs. We are extremely fortunate to have him, and would have an extremely difficult time finding someone even close to his talent to replace him. Good QBs are hard enough to find, elite QBs are a rarity indeed. Go look around the league. Our backup QB is better than a lot of the starting QBs in the league.

Now it remains to be seen as the season unfolds, if his season more resembles week 1 or week 2, but it will take a lot more than just one bad game against a very good defense so far in only his third full season as a starter for me to say that Romo is shouldn’t be our franchise QB for many years to come.

by scottmaui on Sep 22, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Never mind. It’s 71.8.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually it's 75.1

by my calculations

but then throw in the 2 games before that?

84.73 over the last half season…

so it’s kind of subjective if you take a small snapshot, where you cut it off to try to make your point…

by scottmaui on Sep 22, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

also #4 YPA this season

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_992_Passing_YPA.html

even with the bad game Sunday, Cowboys are #4 in the league in passing yards per attempt with 8.26.

As CHFF says, "Our yards per pass attempt is a “Quality Stat” – a stat that has a direct correlation to victory."

by scottmaui on Sep 22, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And yet...

2 of their bottom 4 teams are 2-0. Perhaps 2 games is too small of a snapshot?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, it's 71.8

I used his actual rating, not his average rating. Since you don’t like my sample size, let’s use his last 9 games, which is all of his games since he came back from injury. His rating over those 9 games is 81.9, which would have put him at 20th in the league last year, right behind Jason Campbell.

In any event, 84.7, 81.9, 75.1, and 71.8 are all far cries from Steve Young. Over his last 9 games, Romo is 5-4. He’s 9-7 over his last 16. That 13 losses isn’t so impressive when 4 have come in the last 6 games.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

my point

is that your sample size is small and subjective. cut if off after a bad game and his rating goes down. plus remember, 5 of his last 6 games were against defenses rated top 5 in the league. That does skew the numbers.

BTW, Steve Young in his 4th year in the league, about the same point in his career as Romo is now, had a passer rating of 72.2.

by scottmaui on Sep 22, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

more on Steve Young

his first 2 years, passer rating 56.9 and 65.5. The his 3rd year he jumped up to 120.8. Then 4th year fell back to 72.2. That’s a 4-season average of 78.8, far below where Romo is at the same point in his career. So what you call a “far cry” from Steve Young, is true, except exactly the opposite of what you meant. Romo is far superior to Steve Young doing an equal comparison at the same points in their careers. Picking out Romo’s worst recent games against top 5 defenses, are actually pretty close to Young’s average his first 4 years.

by scottmaui on Sep 22, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

yet more on Steve Young

Looking at his stats, he played incomplete seasons those first 4 seasons (5, 14, 8 & 11 games), so I looked at his passer rating not just averaging his first four season totals, but taking the per-game average for each season and then weighting the total 4-season average based on the number of games he played each season. But that doesn’t change the end result that much… his average QB rating after 38 starts was 78. I am not sure how to get his actual overall rating for that period, as opposed to his average rating, but it can’t be too far off from that.

Romo’s current rating after 41 starts, almost the exact same point in his career, is 94.2.

by scottmaui on Sep 22, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not real sure how a guy in his 7th year is at the same point of his career as a guy in his 4th year? Are we still trying to pretend that Romo is really 25? Why not look at Young’s 7th year, which is where Romo is at in his career? Or since we are comparing passer rating, why not look at Young’s 8th year, which is where he was at when he had the same number of career passing attempts as Romo does right now?

How about this? Let’s compare Romo to Romo. He has been bad in 4 of his last 6 starts resulting in 4 losses. He has lost 7 of his last 16 starts. I’m not one of the people saying that the team should move on, but I think their arguments are equally valid as the ones that are pro-Romo. Possibly more valid, since they are talking about more recent history in relation to his current level of play rather than what happened 3 years ago.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it’s fair to compare starts, not years in the league sitting on the bench. I mean how are you going to compare passer rating when he’s not throwing any passes? lol

I understand we’re reacting to recent history, my only point is I think we’re overreacting to that recent history and need to keep some perspective about his career overall. even with his perceived recent struggles he still has stats putting him up there with the best QBs of all time. In the wake of a really bad game, we can tend to lose sight of that. The media certainly doesn’t help in general either as they mostly have very selective/short memories. So I want to help remind us fans about what a good thing we really have with Romo, and that it seems really premature for me to hear statements like “There needs to be a change at the QB” based on relatively recent history.

by scottmaui on Sep 23, 2009 5:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ironic that you would cite sample size.

For one thing, I expanded the sample size to his last 9 games, and it wasn’t much better, in my opinion. But that’s not the ironic part.

The ironic part is that you are criticizing my sample size, then saying that when Steve Young had around 300 passing attempts, he was at the same point in his career as Romo, who has over 1,300 passing attempts. How is that an accurate comparison of sample size?

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 22, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You said “84.7, 81.9, 75.1, and 71.8 are all far cries from Steve Young.”

I’m just pointing out that early in his career, Young had lots of ratings like these.

Here’s another way to look at it. You’re saying you’re looking at recent history.

But for the last 3 years, Romo’s passer rating has been 95.1, 97.4, and 91.4. So yeah, his most recent year was worst that his first two. But it is remarkably consistent overall.

But compare that to Young. His first two seasons (none were full seasons but for the games he played) were 56.9 (5 games started) and 65.5 (14 games started), then his next 3 games, with SF, he jumped way up to 120.8. But then the next 3 games he dropped back down all the way to 72.2. Then the 3 games he jumped back up to 120.8 again. So my point is just if you were to look at Young after those middle games that got him the 72.2 rating, recent history would tell you he was trending down… and by the argument of this post, should have been replaced!. Boy the 49ers sure were glad they had a little more patience than that!

by scottmaui on Sep 23, 2009 6:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't get his 41st start until his 8th year.

Isn’t that how many Romo has?

And you’re saying that based on the anti-Romo argument, he should have been replaced. Well, he wasn’t the starter, so that makes no sense. He was only playing because Montana was hurt. The first season that he was the starter for the 49ers, not due to injury, was 1992, his 8th season.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

my only point

is that the guy who ended up with the highest passer rating in the history of the league started out very inconsistently and had some games with very low passer ratings.

You said “In any event, 84.7, 81.9, 75.1, and 71.8 are all far cries from Steve Young.” That’s just not true. That’s all I’m responding to. That’s a far cry from Steve Young’s average over his whole career, but it is also a far cry from Romo’s average over his career so far too. Romo has bad games, so did Young. Overall, Romo is just behind Young in career passer rating.

by scottmaui on Sep 23, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Third Year

This is Romo’s third year at the helm and this is when he should began to be held accountable for some of his mistakes. They should be improving, but really this year will prove that right or wrong. So please if you jump off the boat, jump quietly.

Food for thought…
         Peyton Manning was drafted in 1998. He didn’t win his first playoff game until 2003-2004. Lost in the Wild Card Round twice before he one his first playoff game after his 5th year in the league. Romo is still young and our expectations of his greatness are sometimes so high that we also come down way too hard when he has bad games. Yes, it is time for them to stop happening so often but this is the year we need to see improvement and in week 2 I’m not ready to throw in the towel.

by SDTrueblue on Sep 22, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...

I have a question.

Who do you grab right now and put in his spot?

Kitna? Not if you are wanting people who don’t take risks.

McGee? He isn’t ready.

So who do you just grab off the street and have a better record than Romo?

1-800 DIAL A QB?

It’s not like they are going to make a QB change… this year. So I’m going to reserve my judgement for the rest of the year on how he’ll be. If he rebounds strongly and Dallas pulls a miracle run or even just wins a playoff game, I think he’s good.

Just feels like a well thought out and written “Romo will never win a big game.” post.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 22, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Well opinions are like A$$hol$s, everybody has one and everyone else's stinks!

I hold true to mine. Just as sure as the blue sky to me. Fact is, Romo does have good stats. He had Witten, T.O., Terry Glenn to throw to so that helps just a bit. Steve Young had Rice & T.O. One thing I will say about Romo last Sunday, he didn’t have much to throw to. These receivers were not open much. That was another one of my “not thought out” posts. This bunch of WR’s cannot get separation against good defenses. Some fans will eat sh$t for their team and say it tastes good. Romo and the WR’s will have some good games no question. They will also have some bad days, what team doesn’t? Until they can beat the upper eschelon teams in big games well, I stand by my opinions. I was a big Romo believer and now I have changed my mind. May thousands more repeat the down on Romo posts!! Hey Tex, I think you may be right.

by torchindefenses on Sep 22, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I've been wondering about that too

The QB always gets the immediate blame or interceptions of even just a struggling passing game.

He had plenty of time, wasn’t sacked once, his oline was giving him great protection, so either…

1) he was just making bad decisions, or
2) his receivers were not giving him good targets and now where they were supposed to be

could be a combination of both. could also have to do with scheme and not making the right calls, which is a combo of coaching and QB.

but the question now is, what’s the reality, week 1 or week 2? how much were both the success vs. tampa and the struggles against nyg a result of dallas’ offense or the opponent’s defense? that remains to be seen.

but at any rate, all the questions we thought were at least partially answered after week 1 re the receiving corps are all back again after week 2.

by scottmaui on Sep 23, 2009 5:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Romo's first pick was at least partly Roy W's fault

It was something like Williams was either confused about the audible Romo called, or couldn’t break free off the CB jamming him, or both, which resulted in a messed up route and misfire by Romo.

by Joon on Sep 23, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Immortal

if you read the post you would see that I never said ‘this year’. I stated next year if Romo chokes again. He’s a choker.

Funny all these defense of Romo posts. If there wasn’t a bit of truth to it, these guys wouldn’t reply back at all. I think they are a bit worried that Romo isn’t the guy.

Last Dallas Cowboys playoff win – 1996 season against Minnesota, 13 years ago

by torchindefenses on Sep 22, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not defending.

And I apologize if I didn’t see “this year”.

I’m not even saying that you aren’t right. I’m just saying this is played out.

Just like that last statement you wrote about the playoff win… yeah no joke. You think nobody knows that?

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 22, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not time to freak out..

However, it is time to start taking note of these games and counting them against romo. He has all the skills in the world and that’s why so many, like myself, defend him. There is so much potential and prolonged streaks of great play that you are convinced he is a championship QB. This only makes it more deflating when he shows you that sometimes his bad decision making is enough to seriously hurt the teams chance to win. This is true and being his third year its time to start to way the positives and the negatives. But, Romo has shown me enough that I still have faith. If he simply realizes that he doesn’t have to go for every long shot there would be a huge improvement.

That being said, there were other areas where we could have done better on Sunday that Tony Romo could do nothing about…

Defense… could have stepped up at least one time during the last drive. 1st and 20 at the 15 and was there ever a doubt they were going to march down and kick a field goal? They were decent in the redzone but putrid in the open field with those Wideouts. The secondary was miserable. Ken Hamlin was atrocious on some of those long bombs. The young wideouts both bit pretty hard on some of those double moves and showed spotty tackling at best.

Special teams… Felix’s fumble has barely been mentioned but it was gut-wrenching. He just kinda gets bumped and it pops out. That is unacceptable and even though our special team did well on kickoffs, FGs, punts and coverages that one mistake cost them a lot.

The WRs… were really struggling to get open. The Giants played a safety over the top almost all night and the guys didn’t do a great job of working back to the QB to give him a target. That may be play calling and it might be execution. Either way, giants have a decent secondary but, we will probably face even better in the big games late in the year.

by SDTrueblue on Sep 22, 2009 11:09 PM CDT reply actions  

YALL FICKLE FANS NEED TO GET A GRIP!!!!!

all i got to say is yall need to be real… Every Qb throws INTS, he hasnt led the league in int and fumble lost since he has been starting(go look at ben numbers last year) … But i know he is top 5 in every other stat… and he wins… he might not win all the so call “BIG GAMES” but only big game i kno is the superbowl!!! And as far as i know, only PEYTON, ELI, BEN, AND BRADY!!! have won Bowls recently…. So if we dont have any one of them…. there is no other QB i rather have…. and they are not perfect… ROMO WILL BE THE RIGHTFUL STARTER UNTILL HIS CONTRACT IS Up, baring a serious injury, and opposed to the poll espn did, ROMO will win a SB!!!

P.S.
 he doesnt have a denfense like other QB’s do that bail him out of every dumb decision he makes(big Ben)“like humans do”… Instead he has a defense that after you drive up the feild and give your team a 31-30 lead even with patrick crayton dropping balls as he did in playoffs" year we went 13-3 wit romo and beat giants 2 games, but because of slippery finger recievers" Owens-Crayton" and slippery tacklers who let Jacobs run wild and lost" the defense could have stepped up… i dont care if they did good for 3 quarters, and the giants wouldve have been in the game if romo didnt make bad passes, and ball bouncing off all pros… ive seen defenses allow no Td’s in a whole game , so its not all of him…. So if romo is not starting next year, our defense should have a new look too, they have been top 5!!!!

P.S.S

we shoud have kept Roy W. and Roy E. is a beast!

by Don Ye on Sep 23, 2009 5:14 AM CDT reply actions  

hardly...

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

SDTrueBlue

Good observastions on the WR’s. I saw that in the playoff loss to the Giants in 07. Separation is key and will help Romo’s INT percentage. Romo was not throwing very accurate on Sunday night. Most of all his throws were on the receivers back shoulder. I also noted that he was throwing off balance quite a lot of plays. He wasn’t planting his feet and was throwing off his back foot. The ball sails or floats.

Don Ye,

I hear you. I hope you’re right that Romo will win a SB! I also know that if we did get another QB to start next year that it’s a lot like starting over but at some point Romo needs to be more conservative. When have you EVER seen Romo throw the ball away to save a sack or get rid of the ball because of coverage? Not very often.

Dallas’ defense is playing worse than Romo just for the fact that they are 30th in the league and had two terrible games to Romo’s one. Very dissapointing.

by torchindefenses on Sep 23, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Romo and the defense are not the problem

   Gentleman, please! There is nothing wrong with Romo or the defense that good coaching could not fix. The problem starts and ends with the GM, which is of course the owner. Great organizations win big games and championships. The Cowboys do not have this, and they will not have this until Jones sees the light. We had our leader in Big Bill, but Jones signed Owens against his will. That was that. Parcells couldn’t take Jones’ meddling anymore.
(Did anyone else see Jerry wearing a silver & blue one-piece jumpsuit on Sunday night? Davis’ last SB win? 1983. You guys better get used to this)

by OldSchool50 on Sep 24, 2009 12:15 AM CDT reply actions  

If JJ is the problem

how did we win:

Super Bowl XXVII – 52 to 17 (BUF)
Super Bowl XXVIII – 30 to 13 (BUF)
Super Bowl XXX – 27 to 17 (PIT)

Jerry was owner then, too

by BishopWest on Sep 24, 2009 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, 3 SB wins, but Jimmy was here

   Remember, Jimmy was “cooking the meal & buying the groceries” as Big Bill used to say. The players feared Jimmy, he was in charge – not Jerry. Also, there was a culture of discipline & accountability that was enforced by the Triplets and other key players. That is how they won XXX. If this team does not like something Wade says, they go crying to Jerry. Case in point: when Jerry gave that running back the day off during Gailey’s tenure, and he did not know about it.

by OldSchool50 on Sep 25, 2009 1:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Parcells was a good coach, he couldn't win here

It’s not all about the coach or GM. It is a combination of everything. The recipe has to be just right. The right kind of head coach and staffing, the right talent scouts, talented starters and backups that have the right coachable mind-set. Then after all that, teams need to be healthy going into the playoffs.

by torchindefenses on Sep 25, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Parcells didn't win SB, but was on the edge...

   Agreed, Big Bill didn’t take us all the way, but they were on the right path. I believe Parcells would have succeeded here, a couple of more players away. The discipline he had Romo under would have allowed him to mature into a champion.

by OldSchool50 on Sep 27, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions  

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