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From the Inbox: Cowboys vs. Panthers Edition

So I got some more stuff in my inbox this week from NFL.com and various other sources.

Before we jump to the Panthers game, some notes about Sunday.

The game between Dallas and New York was played in front of 105,121 fans, the most ever for an NFL regular season game. But you guys probably already knew that. But did you know the game also featured eight lead changes, the most in a game since 2002 when a Minnesota/Buffalo game had nine lead changes.

Somehow, I thought the new stadium would give the Cowboys some kind of extra-motivation, a little pep in their step. Turns out that the Cowboys became the fifth home-team victim out of the last six games played at new stadiums. Only Arizona managed to win their first game in their new stadium in the last six attempts.

And for a little good news - since realignment in 2002, of the teams that started 1-1 or 0-2, 48 out of the 84 made the playoffs (57.1 percent). And, four of the past eight Super Bowl champions began their seasons at 1-1 or 0-2.

On to the Panthers...

Star-divide

The Cowboys are 7-3 vs. Carolina in their history.

The Carolina game on October 29, 2006 was the first game Tony Romo started as the Dallas QB. He led us to a 35-14 victory after falling behind right at the start, 14-0. Romo went 24 for 36, 270 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT.

John Fox is 1-5 lifetime against Dallas.

Wade Phillips is 3-0 lifetime against Carolina.

The last time we played.

12/22/07: Cowboys 20 at Panthers 13. Dallas wins 13th game, tying most wins in franchise history. QB Tony Romo throws for 1 TD & RB Marion Barber rushes for 110 yards & 1 TD.

The last time we played in Dallas.

11/23/03: Cowboys 24, Panthers 20. Dallas QB Quincy Carter throws for 254 yards & 2 TDs. Carolina RB Stephen Davis sets Panthers’ single-season rushing yards record in loss.

A Quincy Carter mention!

Dallas has 41 wins on MNF, #1 in NFL history .

And just for fun, the top five QB's in the NFL since the start of the 2006 season (50 regular-season games) in these categories:

- Passing Yards

Drew Brees - 14,579
Peyton Manning - 13,043
Brett Favre - 11,777
Philip Rivers - 11,237
Tony Romo - 11,042

- Pass TDs

Drew Brees - 97
Peyton Manning - 92
Tony Romo - 85
Philip Rivers - 80
Tom Brady - 76

- 300-yd Games

Drew Brees - 25
Tony Romo - 17
Peyton Manning - 15
Kurt Warner - 13
Two tied - 12

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I don’t personally pay attention to these kinds of stats. Though I’m sure others enjoy then.

by Cavazos on Sep 23, 2009 2:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Stats do mean something

especially yards per attempt, TD % and int%

Wins are also important. Starting records of prominent QBs since 2006:

Brees – 27-23 (54%)
Favre – 32-18 (64%)
P.Manning – 39-11 (78%)
E.Manning – 32-18 (64%)
McNabb – 23-17-1 (57%)
Roethlisberger – 30-18 (63%)
Rivers – 34-16 (68%)
Romo – 28-113 (68%)

by DavidH22 on Sep 23, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stats don't mean anything

if you want to blame a player like Romo for all the team’s disappointments. In fact, they get in the way of being able to personalize the frustration.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where is Brady?

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Sep 23, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say all stats

I said “these kinds of stats”. Stuff like the Cowboys lifetime record against the Panthers.

by Cavazos on Sep 24, 2009 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dave

I posted a new fanpost at 2:35 AM and 25 minutes later you confirmed the very same info.

Did you also hear that from Gil Brandt? just wondering?

by BishopWest on Sep 23, 2009 2:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Didn't hear Gil

Like I mentioned in the article, it’s just a collection of facts and figures I get in my email inbox during the week. Since I found some of them interesting, thought I’d collect them and post them.

by Dave Halprin on Sep 23, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was awfully excited to go up against the Giants injured secondary

and they pretty much shut down our passing game.

That being said, that was the Giants and this is Carolina. Our O line held it’s own against what is supposed to be the best front 7 in the NFL, so it certainly does not bode well for the Panthers.

Maybe Delhomme can toss us a handful of picks? that’d be fantastic. Big confidence booster for our D, which is honestly the only thing I’m remotely concerned about regarding our team after the first two games.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Sep 23, 2009 5:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

A handful?

Don’t worry, Jake will deliver and we’ll get at least 7. Hahaha. :P

by Rickyy. on Sep 23, 2009 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Panthers won't pressure Romo

But it’s not likely Dallas will get pressure on Delhomme. And the bonehead in Jake can look amazing when he has time.

Don’t forget, Carolina returned all but 2 starters from 08. And they went neck to neck with NYG in NY last year down the stretch. With Carolina desparate for a win, this will be every bit as tough as last week.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 23, 2009 7:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That brings back bad memories of when...

…Seattle signed ex-Cowboys DB Pete Hunter off the street just before their playoff game against us in the 2006 season.

And we still lost (the infamous Romo botched FG hold) with a depleted Seahawks secondary (in which I’ll never forgive Big Bill to this day for not exploiting that).

Romo has GOT to bounce back in a big way.

And Wade has GOT to unleash da hounds and blitz the hay-yuhl out of ’em!!!

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YOU Decide...
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by silverblue5 on Sep 23, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith?

But when they saw the wind boisterous, they were afraid; and beginning to sink, they cried out , save us.
Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm. And he said unto them, O ye of little faith, wherefore didst ye doubt?

by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 23, 2009 5:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Okay, here it goes

Call me a homer…well, because I am. But I still have the utmost confidence in this team that they can go all the way…this year. We saw little of our starters in preseason this year, and what little we did see, they were executing exactly what they were preaching. It held true for the first game as well. We got a little out of sorts against the Giants. Maybe it was the hoopla of the new stadium. Maybe Jerry forgot to ditch the glitz. This team is no longer about the glitz. They’re workmen. Romo had his occasional really bad game. I just see something in this team. Something perhaps intangible. I really believe this is a different team. They’re going to give a different level of effort. If there is any one thing that I see that may be a little out of sorts, it’s that perhaps Romo is trying too hard to be a leader. Relax a little Tony. You don’t need to spend every minute leading. Stay within yourself. Lead when it is really needed, and the rest of the time, execute on what you’ve brought to the team this year. Do this, and the Dallas Cowboys will be fine. Stay positive, keep your head clear of the clutter, and see the field.

Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"

by White Wolf on Sep 23, 2009 6:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks Wolf

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

AMEN BROTHER!!!!

That’s what I’m saying. One loss to a good team and we’re throwing in the towel? HELL NO! The only things that loss meant to me are 1) Secondary needs to wake up and 2) I’m more scared of the Saints now, knowing we couldn’t stop Eli’s passing game.

But all is not lost!
Bring on the cats!

Jerry: George is dating a convict.
Kramer: Really? What's she in for?
George: Embezzlement.
Kramer: (Seriously) Sounds like a nice girl!

by HEpennypacker on Sep 23, 2009 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice to see optimism

The Defense better wake up soon otherwise this team cant be anything but a mediocore 8-8 team.

by Nan_L on Sep 23, 2009 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dallas can go all the way?

The real question us can Romo? The guy cracks under pressure.

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 23, 2009 7:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

-1

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Johnson thought Troy Aikman wasn't the answer

fortunately Aikman was able to win the Super Bowl in his fourth year as a starter. On a fantastic TEAM, btw.

by DavidH22 on Sep 23, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Truley how many QB's have won a SB in there first 4 years starting?

Not that many that’s for sure. took Payton and Eli 5 I think. Big Ben took 2

Someone's always Going to be Hating on Da Boyz

by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Romo, but at this point I don't see it....

He is too inconsistant and I don’t see it changing….all that talk about how he worked on his fundementals in the off season and he stunk it up big time….well at least he hasn’t fumbled the ball so maybe he did improve in that area.. :)

by Boyzfan94 on Sep 23, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Ben was a rookie the year they won the SusuBowl.

And the sign said long haired freaky people need not apply ...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

In his rookie year

He was 15-1 with wins over New England and Philadelphia (the two Super Bowl favorites) late in the season on back to back weeks. That was a very good Steelers team. They won more for the veteran team they had than Roth’s play. The next year, as a 2nd year player, Ben won the SB.

Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"

by White Wolf on Sep 23, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thnx wolf

I thought I wasn’t mistaking. But didn’t want to look it up. I read to much about football.

Someone's always Going to be Hating on Da Boyz

by Jeff G. on Sep 24, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Real bad analogy....Romo is not Troy Aikman...not even close.....

Aikman even early on didn’t make the bone head decisions like Romo has…

by Boyzfan94 on Sep 23, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

They also

Didn’t run an offense like we run know, back then it was smash mouth football. But ur right Romo is no Aikman.

Someone's always Going to be Hating on Da Boyz

by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aikman was a very accurate passer, Romo is not.....

The only thing Romo has over Aikman is that he can scramble and make plays with his feet, but then again that wasn’t Aikmans game.

back then it was smash mouth football

What did you call Sunday night?…254 rushing yards….some things have changed, but alot has stayed the same. We have a huge OL like Aikman had in the 90’s…

by Boyzfan94 on Sep 23, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying

we didn’t run all over them, But we got Draw plays and Screen’s back then they didn’t use that. It was hand off to Emmitt and let the work horse work. I’m talking about beatin them down, pounding the ball. Then let Aikman do some play action everything was set up off the run, we couldn’t run the ball we lost. And our D was way better then in my opinion which is why im glad campo is the secondary coach again : )

Someone's always Going to be Hating on Da Boyz

by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

IF...Jimmy Johnson

was our coach now, I betcha TR would already have a SB ring. The bonehead here is Jerry Jones. He’s an idiot. Why do you think we haven’t won sh@t since Barry Switzer took Jimmy’s team to the SB?

by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 23, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aikman made plenty of bad decisions

during his rookie and second seasons. Even during the glory years he mad his share of mistakes. How about his 3 int games against the Eagles in 91 and 92? How about his wretched regular season games against the 49ers in 94 and 95? How about that tremendous game against the Bills in 1996? He had three playoff games with 3 ints each (all losses).

Aikman was very fortunate to play within a system on one of the best football TEAMS of all time. Which is why journeymen QBs like Beurlein, Garrett and Peete were able to come in very often and win and rack up impressive stats.

by DavidH22 on Sep 23, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

not saying Aikman didn't have his share of mistakes

but comparing Romo to Aikman is not even close….Romo has the talent around him just like Aikman did….maybe even more so….we have a big OL, a pro bowl TE,……..maybe the best trio of RB’s, good WR’s……Pro Bowl OLB/DE…

What you can say is that the coaching was 100 times better around Aikman than Romo…

by Boyzfan94 on Sep 23, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

No way in the world that Romo has more talent around him

than Aikman did. Not even close. Granted, it’s closer on offense, but Cowboys defense and special teams were fantastically better from 91-96 than they are now.

by DavidH22 on Sep 23, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Someone's always Going to be Hating on Da Boyz

by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

true..I will give you that...

But Romo is not Aikman thats the point..not even on the same page as him..

by Boyzfan94 on Sep 23, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Completely different players

For obvious reasons, I think Aikman was a better overall QB, but you underestimate Romo’s talent if you think he’s not an excellent QB in his own right. Read what both Aikman and Staubach have said about Romo. They see it.

That doesn’t negate your point about consistency. If Romo doesn’t become more consistent, he will never allow his talent to fulfill his potential, but he’s definitely in the discussion.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

What Romo doesnt have that Aikman had was a D that was capable of dominating a game

and picking up the slack when he is struggling. Romo must be on or we lose.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Sep 23, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's a great point

I think there is a correlation between Romo’s bad games and the defense’s bad games. Often times it seems he feels the need to score a lot and attack down field because we need to score a lot of points to win. Not every game, Steelers game comes to mind, but I’d say in the vast majority that is certainly the case.

by cowboysfansince75 on Sep 23, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Troy Aikman

played his best ball in the post-season. Romo doesn’t play in the post-season.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Sep 23, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

you mean

Romo doesn’t win in the post season

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 23, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt Aikman stepped it up in the 1992-1995 playoffs

of course, his 91, 96, 98-99 playoff stats read something like

162-91-941-2-9 (1-3 record)

Beurlein also won a playoff game with Aikman’s glory days teammates, and Bernie Kosar also contributed to a win as well.

Just FYI, Aikman had 16 interceptions and fumbles returned for TDs
in his career.

by DavidH22 on Sep 23, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Make that

doesn’t play worth a s#!t in the post-season.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Sep 23, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somewhat of an exaggeration

He played well enough to dethrone the defending NFC Champions on their home field, only to get ripped off by a bad officiating call, a horrible missed tackle by Roy Williams on Shaun Alexander on 3rd and 7 from their own 5 yard line, and a play in which he, as the starting QB – should never have participated.

by DavidH22 on Sep 23, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really

He’s pointing out that it’s a team effort and Romo’s game wasn’t bad at all that time.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

The better question would be...

can the Cowboys win a SB with this defense? Many average (even below average) qb’s have won the bowl.

by Road Warrior on Sep 23, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's my worry

as well.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's definitely a difference...

How many times last year did the Cowboys indignantly tell us that a close win was still a win and that they didn’t have much to improve? How many times did you hear a player talk about how bad they played and how it will never happen again?

Last year the answers to those questions were a lot and not enough. This year, I get a different sense. I hear the team saying after TB that it wasn’t near what they can do and that the run defense was so terrible that Bradie James and the defense vowed to fix it. This week, I hear from Witten how disappointed the team is and how they are going to work harder. I hear from Scandrick and Newman how disgusted they were with their play and how it won’t happen again. I hear Tony saying that the loss and the turnovers were on him and not on anyone else. To me, it is these things that signify some change in culture with this team. Call me naive, tell me I have rose-colored glasses, but at the end of the day, this team just feels different from last year. And judging how we played down the stretch last year, that is a very good thing.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

Lets both hope our read on a different attitude/result is right

by oldtimer on Sep 23, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well I certainly don't buy

that this team doesn’t care or had bad parenting or any of the other emotional nonsense we read. I think like most athletes at this level, they are super competitive and hate losing and looking bad more than any of their fans do. Whether they have all the innate characteristics it takes to correct the mistakes and move forward is the a question. I think they do, and besides, why get depressed about the future? It’ll get here soon enough and I control none of it.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would never say that the Cowboys weren't motivated last year or didn't want to win

but I do think there was a sense of arrogance and hubris that surrounded them last year as far as fixing mistakes and being accountable. That fit well when compared to the 1990’s Cowboys aura who could be that way and just go out and usually dominate due to their immense level of talent. In this day and age though, there is so much to be said for adjusting and changing game plans that I think our arrogance about how good we were did get in the way of that focus. The best example to me was the win over Cincy in which many could see that there were things we needed to adjust on, but it seemed like the team afterwards was indignant to the idea of there being any criticism in a win. This year, it just doesn’t quite feel that way and I think that is a very good thing.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree completely

guys can be too confident.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

All the way where? How can anyone think that we are going anywhere, when we lose to the Giants at home without a plaxico and a hurt Justin Tuck, and missing their starting corner. If Newman had been out and we did not have ware and lost T.O and never had roy williams, this team would be in shambles. The team has talent, but with Jerry and Wade in charge, were all just in for alot of disappointment. How long until we get an injury that we all use as an excuse. Jake Delhomme has looked like garbage, and I bet monday night he throws a couple td passes to steve smith, because our secondary always finds a way to suck. Well, rather than give up 1st and 2nd rd picks, we should have been looking to get some defense in here .

by Love Me Some Me 1 on Sep 23, 2009 6:54 AM CDT reply actions  

defense is where

we have spent most of our picks the last several years. Name the number ones on defense compared to the number ones on offense. That is why I’m mad about the suckitude factor for our defense. Outside of Roy Williams name another number one draft pick on offense.

"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell

by GunsUp on Sep 23, 2009 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Considering most think the Giants are a top three team

and they beat us on a last second field goal despite getting four turnovers, I hardly see how you think this team is doomed.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Not too many teams can turn the ball over that many times and almost win the game. Overall i thought we looked good real good. Running game was there, Felix got more than 5 touches that game which you can see what he brings. MB3 tore it up for me in fantasy. One of Romo picks was whack in my eyes just like the tipped pass catch and the catch in the endzone. Defense played better than i thought, I was telling people if they can’t stop Jacobs it was gonna be a long day and I don’t think he topped 100yrds that game. Overall I thought Dallas dominated the game you just can’t turn the ball over that many times and expect to win.

by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

All I have to say is this

for all the top draft picks spent on defense they should shut every opponent down. When does spending all our top draft picks on this defense start to pay off? If the defense were full of 5th and 6th rounders I could see it. I think the best player on defense so far is the lowest pic (Ratliff). But just to check let’s see the black hole of suckitudes effort.

Since I’m not sure of all of them, I’m not going through every players draft status. But I do know where the following were drafted.
Drafted 1’s by us.
Newman
Spencer
Ware
Jenkins
Carpenter

Has any one of these players impressed anyone? Even my 10yo with his limited football education (his mother’s fault, well maybe mine, I do get emotional) can tell these players are not playing to their draft status.

"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell

by GunsUp on Sep 23, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Overall if you look at Number 1 picks not all of them make an impact

I believe in 2006 When AP went in the draft there are only 2 number one picks that have blown up. AP and Calvin Johnson, Jenkins is in his second year D normally takes atleast 2 years to progress its a big step up from College to the NFL Newman when healthy is an elite CB but he did get burned last week. Carpenter has never really got to playto prove anything this year will tell he’s gettin excessive amount of time on the field but from what i’ve seen he’s stepping up. Still early in the season i figure by game 4-5 the Defense should (better) be glued

by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Has any of these players impressed anyone?" (sic)

Are you serious? Do you mean in their careers, or are you for some reason intentionally limiting your recollection of their performance to only the past 12 days? Because I would say that everyone on that list except Carpenter has at this point in their career either 1) justified their draft status, or 2) shown that they are on track to potentially justify their draft status.

Additionally, at this point in Newman and Ware’s careers, what’s the point of evaluating them on where they were picked? Newman is on his 2nd contract and Ware is about to be— evaluate them based on what they’re being paid relative to what they’re contributing, not on a draft pick that is 5+ years old at this point.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Since this is a show me league.

I do mean in the last twelve days. I’m not sure what everyone here does for a living, but if I am not performing up to the expectations of my hiring status, my manager will have something to say about it no matter how long it has been since I was hired. You do great on one project/job but suck on the next, you better not flub the third.

"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell

by GunsUp on Sep 23, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hugely flawed analogy

So if you had brought in a multimillion dollar deal 8 months ago, but for the past 12 days had not been showing your manager much…your manager would cut you loose?

Intentionally limiting the amount of information you are using to make your evaluation seems ridiculous to me.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 23, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying I would be cut loose

but I would have a lot of explaining to do. Thus far though, through the 12 days they haven’t shown enough to make the manager very happy.

"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell

by GunsUp on Sep 23, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spencer and Jenkins?
Because I would say that everyone on that list except Carpenter has at this point in their career either 1) justified their draft status, or 2) shown that they are on track to potentially justify their draft status.

What have either of those guys done to justify being 1st round picks?

Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(

by JimmyK on Sep 23, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do they fear us

Had a high school coach who taught me something that I will always remember.

If you opponent beats you " do they fear you"

Somehow I think the Giants fit into that category.

by oldtimer on Sep 23, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure which way you are going with this, but

I don’t think New York fears us. We were hesitant to put pressure on Eli out of fear for Jacobs. We shut down Jacobs and made Eli win it, unfortuately he did.

"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell

by GunsUp on Sep 23, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cowboys will take it

35-21

2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5

by Grady90 on Sep 23, 2009 7:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Nice to see optimism

The Defense better wake up soon otherwise this team cant be anything but a mediocore 8-8 team.

by Nan_L on Sep 23, 2009 7:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Romo is

the AntiStaubach.

As long as Tony is our QB, we have a chance to lose.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Sep 23, 2009 7:56 AM CDT reply actions  

We also have a much better chance to win than with any QB since Troy Aikman...

The grass isn’t always greener.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 23, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

QB Ratings for Romo since 2006 (regular season)

2006: 95.1 (5th)
2007: 97.4 (5th)
2008: 91.4 (8th)
(from NFL.com

These are very respectable numbers fellas. How many teams would love to have a passer who is consistently among the best in the league? While I do wish Tony would be more cautious this year, I am glad we have a solid QB that can win us games with his big play ability, instead of one that requires us to run a simple offense and relies on others to make plays.

by TEXMSMRFC on Sep 23, 2009 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

All the greats have there ups and downs

Not saying Tony is great he’s far from it, and Till he wins a SB no one will look at him that way. But I would take him over alot of OB’s in the league for you whiners out there how would u feel if we had a Jason Campbell or JaMarcus Russel on our team. One bad game Doesn’t ruin the season should get there(his) mind back on track and get it going.

by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hear you, but I disagree a bit

I am a big Romo supporter. So I understand your point, and like many others are doing right now, I have many times in the past taken to these boards to try to calm people after a bad Romo game, or to inject sanity when the chants of “Get rid of Tony!” get fired up.

However, I think your post misses the point. No one would argue that, ON AVERAGE, Tony Romo is not a very good QB. He clearly is. The numbers that you cited are just one example of the many ways we can show what a truly high-level QB Tony has been, on average, in his NFL career.

I think the concern that a lot of people have is not that he puts up bad games all the time, because he clearly doesn’t. Instead, the concern is that he submits bad games SOME of the time, and in the NFL that is enough to really hurt you in some seasons. No one would argue that 3 INT games are the norm for Romo. The worry, though, is that so far they have certainly shown themselves to be in the realm of possibility for Romo, and with a bit more frequency than we would like.

I get the point of your stats, but at the moment (and this is the problem I had with ScarletO’s stock market analogy), I’m more focused on his outlier performances on the low end and how frequent they are, rather than his overall average.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Sep 23, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be sure

that’s what he has to do – even out the spikes.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Care to do the same analysis on Dec-Jan only?

Because that is when he crumbles. And that is when it counts.

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by southtunnel on Sep 23, 2009 12:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anytime you wanna hire me

lol, I can talk football all day.

by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

BTB Decline?

This is a message to Dave Halprin. The elements that made your blog stand out above the others was the combination of thorough, in-depth analysis of film, player’s performance, etc. and transcripts of press conferences and other comments by coaches and players. Those features are now absent from BTB. BTB is now perhaps a little better than the numerous other blogs but is no different in substance. If someone else has the ability and is willing to do the work you used to do, there is now an opportunity to start a serious competitor to BTB. It may not be the financial success that BTB is, but it will draw me (and many others?) away from BTB. Do you care?

by hdc on Sep 23, 2009 8:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Dude… go piss off. The analysis on this site exceeds just about anything else you’ll find out there. If you don’t like it then please make good on your threat and go elsewhere.

by Boundforbeach on Sep 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree

BTB is getting better all the time.

Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.

by OskieOskie on Sep 23, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Be the one.

If it were as easy as starting a blog site and just rolling out content everyone would do it. Please step up and lead the way!

I think this is the best site available and provides great coverage & content. How quickly we forget the training camp posts & all the off season information.

by eightball on Sep 23, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

what is missing?

hdc
   Can you give any detail on what you feel is missing? I am trying to bang my two brain cells together and come up with something that has not been provided and I can not think of anything???

by eightball on Sep 23, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry

got carried away with the bold text.

by eightball on Sep 23, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

well

This was kind of a throwaway post, don’t you think? Still love the site though.

by blee on Sep 23, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is also a community...

Yes, we kid, prod, poke fun and occasionally fight, but where do you get off throwing down like that? Jerk.

by Boundforbeach on Sep 23, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

HDC=

Hating the Dallas Cowboys

Someone's always Going to be Hating on Da Boyz

by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

hdc

To your fundamental question of – Do you care?: I think I’ve proven I care. You don’t dedicate your life to something for 4 years with minimal financial compensation if you don’t care. Self-evident to me.

As to the specific features that are now absent – thorough, in-depth analysis of film, player’s performance, etc. and transcripts of press conferences and other comments by coaches and players. There is some truth in those, some of the things I used to do I don’t do anymore for different reasons. I don’t do my film reviews anymore, that is now Raf’s area so I think it’s in solid hands. Transcripts of the press conference I don’t do for two reasons, it was very time-consuming for me on a regular basis and I hear Cowboys fans say all the time they don’t care about Wade’s press conferences becasue he never says anything of value. So I thought it maybe wasn’t my best use of time. In terms of the comments by coaches and players, I did use to do a column where I collected those up for people, but I gauged blog reaction to those as luke-warm and stopped.

So if people on this blog want those features to return, then I would look at what could be done. There’s a finite number of hours in the day, and I could no longer dedicate most of my working day to BTB and still survive financially. Not that I really need to share that, but it’s the truth.

Everybody has opinions on what they like and don’t like here. I’ve learned in blogging that you can’t please all the people all the time. But I’m at least pleasing enough people that the audience at BTB continues to grow and the community continues to be active. I guess we’re doing OK.

If someone wants to start a new Cowboys blog, more power to them. I’m never been a woe is me guy, but until you’ve sat on this end of the keyboard and 365 days a year come up with content for the blog, because in the end I’m ultimately responsible for having fresh content up daily, then you don’t know the challenge. Further, satisfying enough people with that content to keep a thriving blog going is a huge task. So if someone wants to take it on, more power to them. I hope they succeed.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, this is the kind of thing I’d rather have gotten by email instead of hijacking a thread, but that’s OK. Gave me a good opportunity to respond.

by Dave Halprin on Sep 23, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

What a classsy response to a comment that didn't deserve it.

Dave, you are the MAN!!!

Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"

by White Wolf on Sep 23, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

And by the way...

If all that was just your way of saying you miss me on the blog, then thanks. It’s nice to be missed.

by Dave Halprin on Sep 23, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

-1

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't how that works but

whoever was trying to calcualte how many teams won and lost this season should NOT answer this one…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude

I don’t see anyone holding a gun to your head making you stay! Go to BSPN, they are very thought provoking.

by Road Warrior on Sep 23, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do yall think about Ogletree coming back

is it gonna be this week? He showed me something that I am dying to see in the reagular season. Consistency, our WR where not on there game this past week. I know he won’t get many thrown his way but if he could help with 3rd downs it would be nice he’s already proven to me anyways that he can take on better than average CB. Look at the 49er’s pre season game.

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing after the Giants game....

where the heck was the WR’s in the second half, but i realized that was more Romo missing everything he threw at rather than the WRs getting open. If Austin and Hurd don’t step up in the coming weeks I would like to see Ogletree get some playing time.

by Boyzfan94 on Sep 23, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yea Romo was off thats no lie

But the Giants also had some SB luck going on as well. I would Love to see Ogletree step up, he had his T.Glenn look going on in the pre season. And how dearly i miss me some T.Glenn. I used to see him all the time at the Chili’s in Grapvine.

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

The WRs were having trouble getting open at times

O-Tree seems to the type who is innately savvy at getting open. I’d like to see him at any rate.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

U see my Avi

Got it going for Luck lol

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

+85

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 23, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coming back?

Was he hurt? Did I miss something?

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 23, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was inactive the past 2 games

Last pre season game he got knicked up

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a tricky game for the Cowboys...

Carolina is certainly not the team they were last year, but they’ll move the ball against your defense. If they can control the clock and run the ball effectively they have a great shot at winning this game. I think the Cowboys win, but this is no “gimme.”

Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(

by JimmyK on Sep 23, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

I think we can win the next five Atl might be a problem

 No game is a gimme anymore, Past two weeks have shown that.

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Ugh, don't say that....

I’m flying down for the Atlanta game.

by Road Warrior on Sep 23, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends

They are a very well Balenced team And Ryan has been doing good well see what he does this week Vs NE

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey guys.

I know this is random, but does anyone have any extra party passes for the game that I can buy?

by Rickyy. on Sep 23, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Well it's Wednesday

Today is the day I drop and or pick up players for my fantasy team. I’ve put my faith in Dallas’ DST (defense/special teams) as my one and only DST on my roster. So far they’ve rewarded me with 0 points 2 weeks in a row (the only team in the league to have 0 points both weeks). They have single handedly started my FF season off at 0-2 with a little help from Romo and Marty B. I know the second I drop them and pick up another DST (only crappy teams remain, sigh I think you can toss Dallas in there too) Dallas will start to click. The big question is, is this the week they start to put it together? My gut tells me, this is the week Delhomme actually turns HIS team around and makes us look stupid for a 3rd week in a row, and believe me, it pains me to say that.

Help me BTB brethren, you’re my only hope!

p.s. I wouldn’t care so much if it was a free league. It’s definitely not a free league :\

And Grizz, I do miss your old game breakdowns like the way you used to do. One thing I really enjoyed abut the blog was your take on things and how you helped to back us all off of the ledge when things would go poorly. I still love the site, but there’s not much in the way of, how should I say, your essence still around, if that makes sense. It’s easily the best blog around but sometimes it does feel a bit generic without your personal touch on things. So as you said earlier, I guess we ( I know I’m not alone on this) miss you. Gross, now I feel dirty.

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 23, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks sublimezg...

Those were some kind words. I’m working on getting more time to write regualrly on the blog again. Frankly, I probably need a break anyway, it’s hard to be so hard-core like I was for years, it can wear you down. Plus, even though I try to not let it bother me, it’s tough when I, and the BTB writers, work so hard to make this a compelling blog, but then have to slog through a raft of complaints. People have the right to complain, so I get it, but it can still get to a person. Like the $2 app we put up, we really just thought it would be no biggie, if you wanted it get it, if not ignore it. Some asked legitimate questions, but we got booed by some of the home crowd just for trying soemthing different and charging 2 bucks. It’s also soul-numbing when you have to monitor the comments and hide/warn people all the time when they can check their emotions or just won’t follow the community guidelines. I mean, this isn’t a playpen for personal disputes and name-calling. Sigh.

Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, enough of my pity party, and back to football.

by Dave Halprin on Sep 23, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

What kinda league is it 12team 10team?

I have 16 fantasy teams and i do alot of reasearch so ask away

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

10 teams

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marty B

Is not a good TE for a ten teamer See if u can get Shockey if he’s on waivers Miami ives up the most Points to a TE and with him and brees you’ll get more points as for D Hard to say Dunno who’s on Waivers

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh I dropped Marty B

I have Shockey and Celek now. I just put way too much faith in him after paying attention to the preseason. I figured he’d get targeted 5-8X a game. Boy was I wrong.

Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.

by sublimezg on Sep 23, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good pick on Celek

If McNabb is out which i think he will be, kolb supposably loves to connect with him and Jackson so nicely done

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

To Dave Hamlin and All Others

I’m sorry my post was taken as being so negative. I agree BTB is the best ’Boys blog and I read it daily. And I agree, Dave, I do miss the inputs you originally made. I wish there were more detailed technical analysis of games and transcripts, but I know both take a lot of time and work.

But let me say this clearly: I am not a Cowboys hater. I have been an unwavering Cowboys fan since 1960. I have been to every game within driving distance of my home, and I subscribe to DirecTV, HD, and SuperFan only for Cowboys games.

by hdc on Sep 23, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

So how will a struggling secondary stop Steve Smith?

Especially without a pass rush? And especially if the DBs and LBs are worries about stopping the run? Will this game just be an offensive shootout?

on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city

by southtunnel on Sep 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't think so

28-10 Cowboys in my thought, The Db’s will be fine after last week and the Front 7 can handle the Rush, but then again i thought that last year when the Ravens Burned us

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by Jeff G. on Sep 23, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Carolina loss

Didn’t we lose to Carolina in the playoffs? Also, why would you expect this team to be motivated in the new stadium. Look what they did in their final game in the old stadium with equally as many celebs on hand.

by albigaes on Sep 23, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

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