Cowboys Defense Comes Up Big in 21-7 Win Over Panthers
by Dave Halprin on Sep 28, 2009 11:06 PM CDT
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PrintMaybe it wasn't the most polished of victories, but it was a victory nonetheless. And what Dallas needed more than anything was to walk out of Cowboys Stadium on Monday night with a 'W', and they got it. The Cowboys much-maligned defense finally got untracked for the season with three sacks and three turnovers including a pick six. They stifled the Panthers running game and held Steve Smith in check. They still aren't tackling that well in the secondary, but they showed some physical toughness along the line and in the second half they smothered the Panthers offense.
The Dallas offense was able to run the ball effectively all night and Felix Jones showed why he's electric with the ball in his hands. Unfortunately, he injured his knee (severity unknown, although he did play one more play afterward), but Tashard Choice stepped in and kept the Cowboys rushing attack going. Dallas rushed for 212 yards on the night, making the second game in a row with over 200 rushing yards.
More after the jump...
Tony Romo didn't have a big night, but he did have an efficient one, and he did exactly what we asked of him - no turnovers. Yes, he should be happy with his performance even though it wasn't explosive. We want wins, and being efficient and keeping the ball will lead to wins.
This game belonged to the defense. Mike Jenkins had a quality INT and Terence Newman got a gift that he turned into six. Jay Ratliff broke the seal on Cowboys sacks for the year. Then the most unexpected thing happened, the Cowboys inserted rookie Victor Butler into the game late, and boom, two sacks and a forced fumble. Butler just may have earned himself some playing time. Also, give some love to Igor Olshansky who was playing the run very tough in the middle.
Nice job on punt returns by Patrick Crayton.
There were problems. Penalties at the worst times hurt us again, like a falste start on the goal line by rookie TE John Phillips. There was Jason Garrett's inexcusable decision to call a fade not once, but twice, from the 1-yard line. The first one gets a pass, the second one was dumb football. The Panthers couldn't stop the Cowboys run game all night, why would you think they could there.
The offensive line also showed vulnerability in pass protection. The Panthers, not usually a blitzing team, blitzed a lot and the Cowboys line struggled to pick it up. Romo was sacked twice and was under heavy pressure on plenty of plays. Credit goes to Romo though, he managed to avoid heavy traffic and still make plays while not turning over the football.
We all wanted a demolition. It would've been nice to run the Panthers out of the stadium. That didn't happen. But the Cowboys came out and played the second half with the urgency they needed (and should've had from the start), eventually pulling away for a 21-7 win.
It may not have been fine art, but it was a fine win.
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eh, that second half was from ugly
we played darn good football that 2nd half outside of that one series at the goaline you really couldnt have asked for a better half of football.
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
was *far*
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
running game Ws are almost always ugly
a lot of yards on the ground, not many points scored, and rely on a stout defense. That’s the way they played. Would have been more, of course if we had run instead of that second fade route to Bennett
I guess I find Defensive/running domination beautiful football
haha
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
me too
i really dont care how you win in the NFL cuz its rare to find easy wins in the NFLL
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
i wouldn't say it was an ugly win
we cant expect them to play perfect every game. i am satisfied with wins and less mistakes.
Go Boys!
It was nice to see them play with intensity for a change. Celebrating after the plays (but not too much), jumping on the sidelines and the big hits. Not a great game but hopefully a springboard to better games.
Jay Ratliff
has been flat out dominant to start the year. Hes been by far our best defensive player imo.
+1
We really need someone else to step up to take the pressure off Ware… he looked gassed by the end of the game.
Ware looked gassed in the first quarter
He was doing that “hands on hips, ankles crossed” recovery pose as early as the first quarter. Possibly because every one of his rushes was an outside speed rush on Jordan Gross.
I was surprised by how much Spencer seemed to be in coverage. He seemed to do an excellent job out there, I just thought he’d be rushing more. I didn’t know coverage was part of his skill set.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
By far our Defensive MVP so far.
He has been a beast. Seeing him out in pass coverage last week made me laugh…and then I thought…wait, do we actually have a designed defense that calls for our NT to be in pass coverage? It shows his athleticism and the faith the coaches have in him.
Beware D-Ware
by WittenRocks on Sep 28, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the win but
I’m really dissapointed in Ken Hamlin. His tackling is atrocious.
by houseofprime on Sep 28, 2009 11:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
As well as other parts of his game
They did a great job breaking down the one play he got smoked on.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
and I usually rip him, but at least he helped out Newman to not let Steve Smith run wild. Sensebaugh must be holding up his end on the other side, which was a far cry with Roy Williams back there in pass coverage.
That 'Bracket' coverage is what worked so well on TO last year.
Corner playing man underneath, Safety over the top. Pretty effective, but someone else should be getting open as a result. SSmith had a couple of quick hitting plays early where he was able to break tackles, but otherwise was not a factor until he decided to gift-wrap a pick 6 to TNew.
Otherwise Hamlin’s play continues to mystify. His tackling is poor as cited on several plays here. I can’t remember the last time he made a play on a ball in flight. He’s been looked off pretty effectively by Manning last week and Delhomme this week in CAR’s only scoring drive.
The ‘covering for RW’ deficiencies argument is no longer there. Maybe our safeties have a very early expiration date after a couple of years of good play. In Hamlin’s case it was pretty immediate.
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Yeah, it seemed to coincide with his new contract
Maybe our safeties have a very early expiration date after a couple of years of good play. In Hamlin’s case it was pretty immediate.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You see him on the Mouhammed play that got called back?
No push OB, no attempted wrap up. He leaves his feet (ughhh) and throws the blind flying shoulder and bounces off Mouhammed’s thigh. Need better from a vet.
Surprisingly stupid from him.
Lucky it got called back by a penalty. Sometimes that OPI doesn’t get called.
Ken Hamlin
Hamlin got schooled all night. He bit twice on Delhomme look-offs. One of which lead to a TD. Not to mention his poor tackling…
Joseph O. Garcia
It wasn't a thing of Beauty
but running the ball, playing good D, and no egregious turnovers will win a lot of regular season games and get them honed for the playoffs
by AustonianAggie on Sep 28, 2009 11:16 PM CDT reply actions
this is the game i was hoping we would have had
in 2007 against the Giants in the playoffs. I had a feeling that once we got past them with a hard-earned W, they would have gotten healthy on O and given Tommy boy a run for his money in the SB, can you say shootout?
Anyway, I’m really looking forward to seeing more of Butler. Especially on third and longs
These
are the games they should be winning … i like the ugly wins more than the pretty wins. I like they can win without playing their best ball.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
Yeah really, its not like Ken Hamlin makes plays on the ball in the air.
When is M Hamlin suppose to be healthy.
KICK ASS every day!!!
How is it that mcnabb and the whole giants team goes down
justin time for them to play the bucs and chiefs? How fortunate is that?
sometimes
good teams get really lucky. Just like last year, Romo went down against TB and STL. Only problem was …. Brad Johnson sucked.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
yea i guess
thats a good point. They’re good enough to take advantage of it
The Giants had every lucky bounce against us.
Tirico had it exactly right before the 2nd half started. The Cowboys played a particularly uninspired first half. I don’t know how you can be in a desperate situation like they were when they entered that game and play such a flat first half.
I was looking forward to seeing how they looked with Felix getting the rock. Well, they missed Barber. They missed his blocking and they missed his intensity. Barber really is the spark of that offense sometimes.
But hey, they came out banging in the second half, and got it done. They played the way I really wanted to see them play in the second half. I’m still wondering what that first half was all about, but I’m happy with the win, and it came against a team that absolutely did NOT want to lose.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
thought the same thing too...
about how they kind of seemed lifeless and going through the motions in the 1st half. Just my opinion, but I attribute that to lack of motivational coaching and lack of vocal leadership in the locker room. Do you all think Wade gave an impassioned speech at halftime? Choice stated on ESPN after the game Witten got them fired up in the locker room at halftime. Good for him.
I didn't think they were lifeless
I just thought there was a tentative vibe due to not wanting to make any mistakes and beat themselves like they did in the Giants game. It was clear that they weren’t going to take any big risks and were content to wait for the Panthers to make mistakes so they could take advantage of them. Turned out to be a good game plan, but the fear of making mistakes can take you away from just playing the game sometimes. I thought the perfect throw Romo made to RW in the second half really boosted his confidence and got him going again. He played exactly the game he needed to play last night.
Good point...
yeah, I also noticed Romo’s confidence picking up after he made that throw. Seemed to take the shackles off his shoulders a bit. He had been looking too serious and stressed up to that point.
Almost lost my nachos when I saw that pass in the air.
It was about 6 inches from being no where near perfect.
Garret definitely got fancy on that second goal line possesion
Though i’ve overall been pleased with the playcalling this year, it seems like him and romo need someone constantly telling them “don’t forget about the run” and “don’t turn the ball over”
+1
That was the most miserable call of the night. Averaging over 8 yards per carry and you throw twice from the one? Makes absolutely no sense.
Beware D-Ware
by WittenRocks on Sep 28, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
Calling the same play twice might be the last thing the defensive coordinator would expect, but the players just saw it. They’re familiar with it. I still remember the Switzer 4th and one debacle where he called the same failed run twice in a row. It ended his career. It’s gotta be the most dangerous thing to do as an OC.
by speedmetal on Sep 29, 2009 3:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait a minute, didnt Switzer go on to win
a Super Bowl that year and ride off in the sunset and retire. Or was that the next year.
KICK ASS every day!!!
The guy won a Super bowl and coached at least two more years after that call
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Unfortunately...
Those last two years for Switzer weren’t so good; ending with a 6-10 record iun his final year.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
I didnt realized he coached another year after thhis SB.
It must have been so painfull I have blocked it out.
KICK ASS every day!!!
oh it was ugly. My point was that the play call did not end his career.
Maybe it should have
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I do the same thing in Madden.
Gotta keep my YPC up.
by Mandmeisterx on Sep 29, 2009 5:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I get trying the fade once
We’ve got some very tall receivers (although we’ve looked terrible on our 3 end zone fade attempts this year). But trying it twice is too much. It’s hubris by Garrett. Just run it Red.
I loved his 2nd half play calls other than that.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Garrett had Romo and Williams starting in fantasy so
he had no Choice…
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 29, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Kinda makes me wonder...
if Garrett will ever just “get it,” like a future HC does eventually (ie. not throwing a fade to your backup TE on 3rd and goal from the 1 when you ran the exact same play right before and are averaging 8 yards per rush up to that point). Worries me that if/when Wade goes, Garrett may go with him and we may start from scrap philosophy wise once again if we’re not successful this season.
The 3rd string RB
for the Boys could start for every team in the NFL …. how awesome is that?
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
yeah
he has the ability to start for every team … that’s what I meant! lol.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
Worry that...
when it comes time to pay these guys, Choice may be the odd man out and thrive for another team. To me, he’s the best all around RB of the 3. I worry too much though!
I love the guy
But frankly RB’s of his quality are not really that hard to find. Dallas found 2 in the 4th round.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
well, we are very fortunate to have Choice....
because both Barber and Felix got hurt. This is the same as last year remember? My point is, we are very lucky to have him so don’t underestimate him.
You mean all those fans calling for Dallas to trade him
might have been wrong??
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
These callers on the post game show....
Need to start reading BTB, because they are sorely out of touch with this team.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 28, 2009 11:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
These are games on which a season is built
it builds identity, character, and dare I say it, leadership.
Victor Butler needs to replace Spencer on the nickel
he is a better pass rusher and it would give Spencer some rest
isn't he supposed to be horrible against therun though?
maybe in third and long situations, which we’ve been in a lot
I think he could fill the Ellis void....
Come in for passing downs to rush the QB….Spencer is playing very well against the run, but Butler just showed he can bring the heat with a vengeance!
i know, but not all the time
if its 3rd and 5 don’t we go nickel?
stll you see my point?
a really weak lb against the run could be a real problem
That's what Ellis played
all last year. Happens all the time at the LB position. That’s why they talk about LBs as “two down LBs” and “three down LBs”.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I meant "no I don't, [comma]
There are many players in the league who are situational pass rushers."
Yea
the really isnt a whole lot more valueable than a guy who can rush the passer. If he can, you get him on the field in passing situations
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Yeah, when there's absolutely no NFL film on him...
Eric Ogbogu had some sacks too… He was never a sackmeister…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I don't buy that
you can’t get film on a pass rusher. Either you have that skill or you don’t, there isn’t much to it.
Are you being serious?
Ware took a bunch of time rounding his game to be more than just a one trick pony… Why did he had to so it? His speed rush is one of the best that I’ve seen in my lifetime…
Because OLineman spend time learning tendencies and proper placement.
If someone is a one trick pony a team can take him off the field.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I indeed liked what I saw from Butler, BTW
He has the quickness and balance, he needs more polishing.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Chandus,
if you don’t think we’ll see Victor Butler in late game nickel situations for the foreseeable future, you crazy …
He’s QUICK and finishes when he gets there. He already took Spencers spot in the nickel in the fourth quarter.
Oh, that surely...
But I’m arguing about him being inserted on the Nickel… We’re seeing the Nickel or Dime (it’s though to see the whole scheme with some of the shots) in close to 40-50% of the defensive snaps…
We share the line of thought, a one trick pony should be more limited, but he indeed found himself a role with the game.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
not to mention spencer wore him out so his speed move was enough...
2 plays and people want to get rid of spencer…..wow…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 28, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Hey I liked the way Butler showed up big against a worn down Oline late in the game, but no way is he replacing Spencer.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 29, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Then we can play him just like we did tonight
Let him loose in the 4th quarter against a worn out O-line, give the starters some rest
i'm all for it,if he's used right..
i bet if thrown in next to spencer here and there he can do some real damage…but i like what i see so far….
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 29, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I doubt that
How big is she and what’s her 40 time?
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 30, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought Spencer played another very good game
He was excellent in coverage from what I saw, and stuffed a couple run plays. And he was at least as close to the QB as Ware was on most plays hwere he rushed (which wasn’t all of them, because as I said, he played a lot of coverage).
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Actually have to give credit to a DC
that put Butler and Octavian in a game late while Spencer/DWare were gassed. Pretty astute. I’m no WP apologist, but he takes a lot of grief(most deserved). Just feel there’s some balance that need to be struck when its deserved.
I also agree that the Boys didn’t come out listless, they came out tight – afraid to make mistakes, because they knew the consequences of another defeat.
So I am very glad this whole ‘first win in the new stadium’ deal is over as well. What a contrived criticism. Colts lost their 1st 2 in Lucas Oil last year, trust me it’s barely mentioned in Indy at all. But this ‘lost the last game in TX Stadium/ lost the 1st game in Cowboy stadium’ BS is fodder for a media too lazy to perform real analysis. Coincidentally, today is the 50th anniversary of the NY(Baseball)GIants losing their final game in the Polo Grounds before moving to SF. Bet you hadn’t heard that before.
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Great points
I think all the rookie injuries have taken a “silent toll” on the defense. Wade referred to this the other day about Ware and Spencer basically playing every play.
And you are right – they did look tight. On both sides of the ball.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I just can't wait to see what contributions Jason Williams
and Mike Hamlin can make once they get healthy. There is no doubt that Jason has the tools to be much better than Bobby (I feel like Brooking could as well) and by all accounts out of camp and from college, M. Hamlin has a knack for making plays at the safety position. I would love to see them get a chance to work their way into the nickel/dime packages once they get healthy.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 29, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm already psyched about
Butler.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
You may recall that I needed 53 points to win my FF
and started Romo, Tashard and the Dallas defense…well, needless to say they all did very well (although Romo was mediocre, fantasy-wise).
But it ends up that I still came up ONE POINT short for the win. If only Garrett called a run (or if only Romo connected on one of those two ill-advised fades), I would have won. Ah well, I won’t let it tarnish an otherwise successful night.
I started Romo, Felix and FOlk
the dropped td by roy and folk missed field goal killed me. Or felix’ injury. It really is amazing i didn’t pull out that win.
i can beat that.. i have four teams
my BTB team won already..
1 squad i had Tony Felix and Dallas D, the D came thru with 23 points and put me ahead to win 120-110. Tony and felix gave nothing down the stretch
the other two teams..
i lost by three points with tony and felix, those fades and the choice TD that was called back killed me.
the other team, my money team. down by 2 going into the game I had Witten and he had Bradie James. Bradie made a tackle on the last drive that cost me the game. No sign on Witten in the 2nd half
2-2 for the week, shouldve been 4-0
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
by KD Drummond on Sep 28, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i really think
we need a whole separate open thread about FF posts. that’s not real football and has nothing at all to do with my Boys and reality. i love it — just don’t think it belongs here.
really?
you cant just, not read them?
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
by KD Drummond on Sep 28, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i can but
this should be about the “real” game, IMHO. Fantasy is all about individual stats — and that is the LAST thing we need to be concerned about here (think TO).
Plus, the fantasy thread will actually work really well for all the FF owners like you (and me), cause it will attract focused attention to your posts.
all we do is talk fantasy on here...because we all think we're coaches..and we know what we're talking about....
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 28, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
good luck with that
btw I won by a landslide thanks to Felix, Cowboys DST, and Romo
Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.
Ha, I needed 7 points from Felix to win
And lo and behold, 94 yards on 8 carries + 20 yd catch.
Hope that injury’s not serious or lingering.
I had D'Angelo Williams....
….and all he got was 63 yards. I was already ahead by 60+ points and my opponent didn’t have any Cowboys.
I win, and one of my players plays the Cowboys and does nothing or very little and it has no effect on my FF outcome. I love it when that happens.
by MicThaRock on Sep 29, 2009 4:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The Panthers blitzed alot because Barber wasn't in the game
It must’ve been obvious on film that Jones doesn’t pick up the blitz very well, because for all the spectacular plays he made, he cost Tony a couple smackdowns.
I think the addition of Butler looks tremendous, and I’m very excited about when Jason Williams returns and can get the God-awful Bobby Carpenter out of the rotation. He really struggles in space.
I have a distinct feeling that our dominating defense is gearing up for the season now. Hopefully get some depth that will allow our D to be fresh down the stretch and we win a game like last week. Very good comment made at the end of the game about how many new players Wade is integrating into the D and it’s true. A new D Lineman, a new inside backer and a new strong safety. The middle of the defense is the most important thing.
For 3 consecutive games the defense has corrected their mistakes and buckled down for multiple drives in a row (outside being gassed on the final gints drive)
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
Fades
I still say you have your judgement on the fades backwards. The first one was dumb football. When you’re dominating the line and running efficiently, the call should have been TC. Draw, power, whatever, it should have been a run play. That said, the first fade should have been a TD…No excuse for RW dropping it (oh, and John Gruden, TO would have dropped that pass too!). All of this leads to the second fade call. A good one given the mistaken first call and one that no one was expecting…unfortunately that no-one included Bennett!
Blame the execution all night on that second fade, not the call….
no
the first one was reasonable. The second one was dumb football. You don’ throw two fades in a row when you’re running he ball like we were.
I guess its up to interpretation lol.
The one to ROy at least looked good
he should come down with that. THe others…not so much
Agree, it was a good call
If Roy had caught it clean, that was a TD.
The one on 3rd down was a bad call and poorly executed.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 29, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
heck no
we dont throw the fade well. we were running down their throats and couldn’t be stopped.
the first fade, ok excusable. the second fade was run for the sole reason of ‘they wont be expecting this one!’ which is inexcusable play calling. how do you not have confidence in ANYTHING else in your playbook that you call a fool you play from the 1 yard line?
a play that you know all to well, we dont run with success
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
by KD Drummond on Sep 28, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Romo does not throw the fade well, or the slant for that matter
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I blame execution
Maybe it’s a dumb call if it’s the final play of the Superbowl, but it’s the beginning of a season, and we need that play to work to be effective in the red zone.
Let's work on that play...
when we’re up double digits, not up by 3 with a chance to go up 2 scores in the 2nd half.
TO
would have been bumped at the LOS and never even gotten close to the ball.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 29, 2009 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Anyone hear...
Chucky comment that TO would have caught it? Couldn’t tell if he was joking. I don’t want him coaching my team. I remember TO being horrible at fighting defenders for balls. If the guy drops balls, how can he catch a fade?
I do believe not having MB3 in the game affected the goal-line play calling
BY that time, Felix wasn’t in the game either, so the options became even more limited. All that said, back-to-back fades was pretty dumb and kept CAR to within 1 score. That’s pretty poor tactical football. Otherwise, I think our situational playcalling was pretty good
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espn
guys, get it straight. the crew devotes attention to one team FIRST. then, they break and go back to the other team.
each team usually gets pretty equal time.
i’m in the pr/news business and that’s how it works. the comments made on the earlier post were childish, kneejerk and uniformed.
have they started about the Panthers yet?
lol, I don’t know because I turned it off, too much Steve Young and Matt Millen in my face for me to stomach
i didn't count
seemed pretty similar. they’ll go back and forth between teams (and are still), saying the same stuff and gradually adding more and more detail as they and their assistants have more time to analyze tape.
It’s just like the first wire report of a big story. It’s sparse and fast and kneejerk, but gradually gets fleshed out more.
i think scandric should say in an interview thet carolina has the 2nd best steve smith in the league....
that would be a great jab back…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 29, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I was one of the ones pissed off....for me it had absolutely nothing to do with how much time
they spent on one team or the other….actually i think they spent quite a bit more time on the Cowboys – for me it was the nature of the comments, esp. by Steve Young….but hey they are commentators and they are paid to commentate + i guess give their opinions….Steve Young’s opinions just happen to piss me off
like how he said that Pass Int. call in Mike Jenkins favor was bogus…how the push off had absolutely no effect on the play… WFT? is that fair and impartial? i think not
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Sep 28, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Young
to me, has always been a Cowboys hater. He’s always critical of them, no matter what. That play was 100% PI, and if he thinks it’s not, his credibility as a commentator takes a hit.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
I've never
liked him. He’s always been a little biyatch to me.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
biyatch is exactly how id describe him as an announcer
its kind of amazing how whining and irrational his commentary is on the ’boys
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Dude - can I get a virtual high five on this one.....BEST shot of all time....that game
where one of our Boyz pounds him into the turf, and then RIPS the helmet off his head…and old Steve Young looks up at the camera with that confuzed, bewildered, scared $hitless look on his face….priceless moment!
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Sep 28, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
steve young said before the game he thought we've had the most talented team in the league...
over the last couple years….
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 29, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
well i missed that, but it's nice to hear - still love when we face planted
him in that game though : ) – wish i could remember exactly which game that was
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Sep 29, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
well of course....
i love to see our d face plant any qb….but it was special with young…and farve….and mcnabb… and eli….and ben rothesburgerstienfield…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 29, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Which is another dig at us, then.
If we’ve “had the most talented team”, then we’re woefully underachievers, eh?
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Back handed complement
He’s saying that we have the most talent but can’t win because of poor leadership, coaching, lack of intensity. It’s really not a complement at all.
LOL - Dude now one of the other commentators said the same thing about the PI
call….am i missing something here???? I watched with my own eyes…and Mike Jenkins ALMOST recovered from that shove….he got his hands back up and ALMOST got them to the ball….am i supposed to believe that were he not shoved in the back, there’s still no way he makes a play on the ball?
yes i know i need to let it go, but it’s maddening!!
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Sep 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously
my problem isn’t criticism, my problem is Young, Carter and Keyshawn seeming t be actally disappointed while picking us, or criticizing us at every turn
oh yeah
I saw them picking the game, and Carter said something like, “unfortunately, Im picking the Cowboys” or something to that nature. It’s like, come on. That’s why I like the NFL Network. I dont see that much of that crap going on.
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
how many times
did Cris’ Vikes or Steve’s Niners beat us to eventually get their SB win?
i personally don't care
it’s jealousy. the same thing that attracts haters and opponents to most DC boards. i find it irksome too. but i LOVE it when we prove them wrong, even if they don’t have the balls to admit it.
the problem is, i HATE it when we lose and I have to listen to them. :)
Yeah, I got pretty fed up with the pre-game
and I’m pretty tolerant of legitimate football criticism. As a player, his accomplishments speak for themselves, but Carter has no credibility with me when talking about ‘player behavior’. He did a lot worse than TO as a player, to the detriment of his own team(s)/employer(s), yet ripped TO mercilessly. Sorry, but no pass for choosing to be Richard Cranium.
Meshawn and Young are just bitter from their Cowboy experiences – getting cut and getting pounded. KJ has little place to talk about ‘professional football players’ as one of the more selfish/worst team mates in modern NFL. Ask Warren Sapp what he thought. Young got his 1 championship courtesy of the worst SB winning coach in history – Barry Baby. All the ‘most talented’ talk is just a setup to his ‘most underachieving conclusion.’
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Yeah, what do us lowly fans know
Our comments might be childish and “uninformed” but why don’t you tell us specifically which ones were incorrect? Please inform the peasants.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Seeing Jones start
Do we understand why he is getting limited touches in a game?
by Alexcomestokill on Sep 28, 2009 11:30 PM CDT reply actions
he cant pick up the blitz very well
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
by KD Drummond on Sep 28, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
he seems to come up lame in every game
'he nails an open three from the corner....just like you and me, this one was made by penetration' - Truthaboutit - Round 1 Game 5 Recap
by KD Drummond on Sep 28, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Bingo
He’s a home run hitter, but not much else
by Alexcomestokill on Sep 28, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
then they need to be creative in how they use him
more like reggie bush
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
I Agree
but seeing how well Choice plays, how do you split the carries?
by Alexcomestokill on Sep 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
both in the same backfield
move Felix all over the place, and give Choice the load, but give Felix in space. I’d like to see a few more HB tosses for Felix while Choice fakes the dive play, then give the ball to the other.
or allow felix the time to grow into a complete back...an be thankful for what we have....
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 29, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Just my opinion...
Choice 40%
Barber 30% (closing games, halves, providing physical spark against tired defense/start games at times to set tone)
Felix 30% (ONLY in space, end arounds, screens, swing passes, kick returns)
Choice did not do anything last night…
…that Felix didn’t do better. I’m not sure where this ocean size man-crush for Choice comes from. The guy is good but to suggest he should get more carries than Felix or Barber is insane. Jones was gaining first down yardage on nearly every carry last night and Barber was unstoppable against the Giants.
I think Choice should get some touches but not a larger percentage than the other guys.
If Felix didn’t get hurt last night he would have ended up with over 150 yards and a touchdown.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
Ditto
he stayed on the field.
Love Felix, but Choice seems to be the more durable of the two and possible the most durable of the three.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
By playing Choice more...
I’m just saying he’s the better overall back, in my opinion. Faster than Barber (but obviously not as physical) and better blocker/inside runner than Felix (but obviously not as fast). He’s like a lesser combination of the 2. My point was Felix and Barber have the greatest effect in spurts. Getting greedy and giving either the bulk of the carries seems to get them injured. Just going off last year and only 3 games into this year, Barber and Felix have been hurt twice. Choice was the ONLY RB late last year against the toughest Ds in the NFL and didn’t sustain a bruise.
Oh, and Choice did block MUCH better than Felix. You could see it on numerous replays when Felix was in.
nah
not when he runs that well between the tackles.
Run him for like 10 carries a game.
they can still split him wide
run some reverses and teach him some routes.
10 carries is really nothing
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
Planned rotation
I personally HATE that idea. The idea of one guy on 1st, one on 2nd, 1 on 3rd down.
And I hate rotating series among the 3 backs.
Let’s rotate them situationally. Anything else makes it too easy to game-plan on us — which defeats the whole purpose of having 3 great backs.
agreed
"I just want to comment on how it’s become like a common thing in the [MLB] for guys to fall in love with [the Rangers’s] sloppy seconds." (thanks cstorm)
2nd
But you could see an obvious slowdown from the first time Jones touched it to the last.
Thats another reason I like Barber and Choice; they never seem to get gassed as fast as Jones.
by Alexcomestokill on Sep 28, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
Maybe felix is what he is….a really good change of pace guy…
Barber & Choice are more in the carry the load mold….and both seem to run as hard on the last carry as the first
i don't disagree
My point was, I do not like the idea of “obviously” slotting guys into certain down or series rotations. Keep it mixed up situationally, play by play. That’s what I’m saying.
And if you ARE gonna slot guys — don’t talk about it. :)
well, but
we don’t know the whole story yet. Jones may have been playing through something earlier than we thought. I personally can’t believe he would’ve gotten gassed on, what, 11 carries and a few pass plays in the first 20 minutes or so? (Don’t have all the game stats up here.)
thats the problem!
Don’t you see that? It doesn’t make sense. This should end the Starting Felix over Marion.
by Alexcomestokill on Sep 28, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
my point is
we don’t know that he just “got gassed” — maybe he knee tweak happened earlier than we thought.
way too early to select “two starting backs” — and that is NOT even what I’m advocating.
I am advocating using THREE backs in a NON-PREDICTABLE way.
caps just for emphasis of key points
we've been running well so far...
so im not sure teams are gameplanning against our rb is doing any good..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 29, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Barber seemed to get gassed...
during the Giants playoff game. But in his defense, he had run for around 100 yds in the first half and had split time with Julius Jones all season before that game. To me with his bruising, physical running style, he shouldn’t be carrying the load. He shared carries with Maroney in college and Maroney can’t stay healthy now.
When Barber is in.
I cut myself short
by Alexcomestokill on Sep 28, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I liked that Romo scrambled for positive yards several times
gives the defense something to think about. I dare say his 22 yards rushing was a single-game career high for him.
that is the Romo fromt he first half of his career so far as opposed tothe guy who has us pulling our hair out in the second half
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
That was another great performance by TNew
That ought to shut up the TNew haters for at least this week.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 29, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
like his crap bomb
last week shut up the TNew lovers.
He’s up and he’s down. I wouldn’t call it another great performance. He tackled very poorly in the beginning of the game and gave up several first downs because the Panthers’ game plan seemed to involve targeting him especially. Later in the game he seemed to find himself and would up covering Smith better and better. And that INT was a gift. I’m surprised he caught it. I thought his return was sweet, though.
Typical response from the leader of the TNew critics association
The Panther’s weren’t targeting him, they were trying to get the ball to Smith.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 29, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Ya, difference
Smith’s their playmaker no matter what, we just happened to put TNew on him the entire game.
I would have targeted him
After the way he played against the Giants, it would have been a reasonable strategy
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
He didn't get targeted
Hater!!!
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 30, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a perfect example of the crap I'm talking about
I made an innocent comment after the game, and after reading through game comments where numerous people were throwing out sucks and overrated, washed up, etc in regards to TNew.
Instead of passing by, you had to throw in an unneeded and unnecessary point regarding last week.
BTW, I didn’t call out any one person as a hater, just said it ought to shut the haters up for a week. It’s funny that only two guys felt the need to post their negative thoughts about a game from last week. Like you can’t stand it that he had a good game, and wanted to make sure to get it on record that he had a bad game a week before.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 30, 2009 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions
T New
actually gave up 0 first downs. If you’re going to dog the guy, get your facts straight.
by Mandmeisterx on Sep 29, 2009 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Can we drop the "hater" term?
You guys love that term, probably because you think it’s a high trump card that translates to "your criticism has no validity because you “hate” him". When people point out that he sucked the week before, it doesn’t mean they "hate him. He sucked and anyone with a clear head saw it. If you are a mind numb lover of him, maybe you missed it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Oops
I agree that ’hater" is a ridiculous term in most discussions, but by the same logic, so is “lover”. Just pointing out that it happens on both ends.
Not to argue your point, which I think is correct.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I like Homer(for those who remain with and optimistic view) and Gomer(for those with a pessimistic view)
Your either a Homer or a Gomer.
KICK ASS every day!!!
The Homer test
Which type of homer are you:
- Someone who shows blind loyalty to a team or organization, typically ignoring any shortcomings or faults they have – like ESPN and the Patriots.
- A fan who picks his/her team to win, despite objective evidence to the contrary – i.e. all Eagles fans
- A person who shows unwavering faith towards a player because he is on that person’s favorite team – usually results in poor arguments in discussions and getting raped in fantasy trades.
- Someone who’s lost touch with reality and has lost control of all bodily functions – leaving a whole lot of crap on this board
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 30, 2009 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
My point is neither term has any value. If someone raises a valid criticism (or praise) it is valid. To me, using those words is equivalent to waving a white flag and saying “I don’t like what you say but can’t refute it”.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree completely......
I’ve been called a “hater” and I find it kinda offensive. You said it well Still Hate. BTW, you might wanna rethink your name cause you have hate in your name-LOL (I’m just kidding)
I don't call fans haters who state legit criticisms
Grizz and Raf do it all the time and they’re definitely not haters.
IMO, player haters are fans whose criticism of a player is simply over the top and beyond legitimate criticism where it’s obvious they simply don’t like them as a player.
In Romo we Trust
The terms are thrown out very loosely
I’ve been called a Romo hater many times but if you look at all my posts I defend or praise him almost as much as I’m critical. I was also one of his earliest advocates and enthusiastic supporters. It’s offensive that mindless people throw the term out because they can’t put together a logical argument.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
that's other people
I only see a handful of fans on this blog who are truly Romo haters and you’re not one of them
In Romo we Trust
I have a dog named Romo (who I'd walk through fire to save) and I am called a Romo Hater on occasion
It is a BS term. I usually counter by calling anyone who brands me a hater a “fellater”
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
It does get thrown around too much since we all are Cowboys fans
but there are definitely people on here who use such whacked out logic to justify putting Tony down that it makes them look like someone who just plain doesn’t like him regardless of what he does.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 29, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You can drop it SHTG
StillHate that’s pretty ironic coming from a dude with the word in his damn name.
I’ll refer to the people who do nothing but criticize the best players on the team as I see fit.
If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 30, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
And I find this statement
Which you made as a response to my post game comment, as highly offensive.
If you are a mind numb lover of him, maybe you missed it.
Yes, that’s so much less offensive than being called a hater, which for some reason you felt referred to you.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 30, 2009 4:33 AM CDT up reply actions
keeping our offense balanced ( not run- or pass-heavy)
and the opposing OFF-balance, is the whole key. That’s why you don’t run over and over every down even if you are running well. The same thing goes for RB style and formations and usages.
yea, they did a pretty solid job of this tonight
good play calling overall
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
I like that the team didn't fold after going scoreless in the first half.
I AM THE LAST NAKED WARRIOR!
If it weren't for that 2min offense....SHUTOUT!
Oh well. I’ll take the win anyhow.
I AM THE LAST NAKED WARRIOR!
I'm really noticing that Romo is putting both hands on the ball when moving in the pocket
that plus his other actions in this game were signs of a smart player. While that wild cross field play to Tash for a first down (that there was ZERO danger on) shows he still has that creativity when the play breaks down.
+1
Romo is doing a much better job protecting the ball.
So it begins...
by APerfectStar on Sep 29, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
The test with Romo is what happens over time
It’s not like he’s never shown improvement before. The problem is been he’s been up and down. You’re right, he seemed very into protecting the ball last night and cut down on the knucklehead mental mistakes. It would be very good to see that be a consistent pattern of behavior and unfortunately we’re not gonna have enough info for a while to know if he’s permanently corrected the problems. I was very encouraged last night.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
but I think he gets it intellectually. Translating it will be the next step – but without losing the ability to make big plays. A delicate balance.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I must admit though.......
Romo looked different on the field last night. He wasn’t smiling. He looked very serious both before the game and in the game. Even when he threw the pass across his body to Choice he showed a quick smile and then got a serious look on his face. Am I reading something into this?
No I saw the same thing
I think he’s trying to keep the even keel.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
i think i need a seditive..to watch our games..
i’m up, i’m down, i’m happy, i’m pissed……i think i may be unstable…maybe not….
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
I decided YEARS ago that it's hopeless
I’ve been a Cowboy fan for a very long time. I go back further than I care to admit. I still get just as emotional as I did when I was a kid. Sweaty palms and the whole deal. I finally decided a while ago to just enjoy the thrill. I know it’s crazy but why fight it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I've taken that same approach...
with my betting pools.
I needed Haldol
I think I almost blacked out after celebrating that TNew pick 6.
let's hear it for the defense
73 yards rushing (-1 to Stewart)
220 yards passing (and 2 ints)
3 sacks
1 forced fumble
7 points allowed
22:56 TOP for Carolina
1/8 on third downs allowed
271 total yards
perfect D, or even Steelers-type D? no, hella improved? damn straight.
a round of applause for this much-maligned group please.
props to the d - heart was still in my throat most of the game, but those stats don't lie
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Sep 29, 2009 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
wow - i guess most of that nervous energy was due to waiting for our O to start putting
up some points : )
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Sep 29, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
yep, that was the issue
finishing drives on O, and stupid penalties causing 3rd and forevers that we didn’t convert.
i loved seeing Brooking out there too....his intensity seems infectious to the rest of the D.
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Sep 29, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
He made a lot of plays tonight
Including in pass coverage… I like what he brings to the D a hell of a lot.
He really is a fired-up guy
when he came out on a third down he was shouting the whole way off the field.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
He was everywhere tonight...
would like to see him step up as a veteran leader in Wade’s system.
clap..clap..clap..clap..
now i need penicillin.
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
good night to you too
a win always pulls a bit of the sting of the next day out if you have to work. :)
A win is a win is a win...
What I liked:
1) Felix is really, really good. That subtle juke he put on Godfrey (?) was ridiculous, and then to have the blinding acceleration to go with it? Almost not fair. Let’s hope that knee strain he suffered on the 40-yarder isn’t serious.
2) Run D. The Rat was solid/borderline dominant once again. Igor, again, was strong like bull. Nice bounceback game from Brooking, who looked active.
3) Nice speed rush by Butler at the end. Maybe he can be a situational (3rd and long) pass rusher late in the game. He’s still too raw too regularly get mixed into our nickel package, because teams are going to run at him when they see him. But in obvious passing downs (3rd and really long, 2 minute drill), he should get some burn.
4) Nice job by Romo taking care of the ball and checking down when he needed to. He was smart tonight, and that’s what we needed from him.
5) Choice proved once again that he might be the most well-rounded back on the roster – faster than MB3, sturdier than Felix. He’s not flashy, and he doesn’t scare anyone, but he’s effective.
6) Crayton did a nice job on punt returns. He was crafty, made the first guy miss, and set up his blocks well. He’ll never return a long one, but he gave us great field position several times.
7) Witten – it almost goes unnoticed because he’s not flashy, but he’s really, really good. Great work in the middle of the field, and great blocking.
What I didn’t like:
1) As jaw-droppingly amazing as Felix was, dude needs to stop getting nicked up. A pattern seems to be forming here, and it’s not a good one.
2) Flo. Seriously, I wanted to punch him a few times tonight.
3) Barbie. That terrible whiff on DeAngelo on that 3rd down draw earned him a seat on the bench for most of the game – it looked liked Brooking stayed in there with the nickel until the last series or so when Barbie finally got back into the game.
4) Roy – you gotta catch that fade. Romo threw it a little hard and a little too low, but that’s something you gotta come down with (but, no Chucky – TO does not catch that either. TO was astonishly bad on fades for such a physical player who is so good at basketball. It was sad, actually).
5) Redball – 2 fades in a row? Seriously? I’m not saying you absolutely had to run the ball there, but how about a quick out to Witten? I’m not sure whether Bennett ran a bad route, or Romo threw a bad ball, but I know that I didn’t like that call.
6) Maybe it’s just me, but DWare seems off. He almost got there a couple of times, but whenever I watched him, he either did a vanilla speed rush, or just tried a bull rush. No counters, no jab fakes, no rip moves, nothing. He needs to mix it up more, and Wade needs to move him around and stunt him more to get him untracked.
by DannyWhite on Sep 29, 2009 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree on pretty much everything
I too laughed when gruden said we missed TO on the fade…thats the one route we absolutely DON’T miss TO on.
Ratliff deserves his own point…that guy has just been awesome
And something is up with Ware…he just does not look confident to me.I agree, some of the time it just looked like he was going through the motions in the pass rush
Yep, TO dropped the fade in the 2007 Buffalo game
for the 2 pt conversion…although in retrospect they are lucky he did!
That was a horrible pass.
Romo always throws the fade too low. I’m not saying that TO had great hands or anything, and Roy W definitely should have caught that pass last night, but he doesn’t put the ball high enough to take the defender out of the play, typically.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 29, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
i dissagree with the flo comment...
my heart stoped when he was down….and dware i think is making sure the run gets stuffed first….but i like the rest of what your saying….
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 29, 2009 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
i think you're both correct about Flo....i freaked out when he went down just like you, however
there were also several times that i wanted to punch him like Dannywhite said….Flo – can’t live with him, can’t live without him
by Loozeeana_Cowboy on Sep 29, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Despite the bonehead penalties
he did a great job on Peppers.
I agree
6) Maybe it’s just me, but DWare seems off. He almost got there a couple of times, but whenever I watched him, he either did a vanilla speed rush, or just tried a bull rush. No counters, no jab fakes, no rip moves, nothing. He needs to mix it up more, and Wade needs to move him around and stunt him more to get him untracked.
Frankly, I don’t even think he’s as dominant against the run as he was last year. He used to look super human on almost every down. I don’t see that this year. I don’t know if it’s mental or physical but something doesn’t seem right.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I am baffled by his performance so far.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I agree........
Don’t remember exactly when it was towards the end of the game but he had Delhomme and let him slip away. That wouldn’t have happened last year.
He might be pressing...
pressure of getting his first sack/potential big contract coming up. Players care more about money and we fans care more about championships. Just how it is.
On Igor:
“In Russia, run stuffs you!”
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I agree that Ware's hand skills from last year seem to be gone
He’s back to speed rushing or bull rushing every down. Maybe Raf or someone who reviews the tape more closely will have some insight, but the only time he really got close to Delhomme was when they singled-blocked him with a TE (Rosario) and when the secondary covered for more than 3 seconds.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Long night for me
Watched the game at a buddys house, then had to scramble to my softball games where we had back to back stinkers. Aww well, at least the Boys won! Did we keep the sanity in the game discussion threads?
This is what I keep saying about Felix. The dude needs the ball more. He’s just too damn good to only get 5 or 6 touches. Hope the knee is ok Felix, we need ya buddy!
Let’s clean up the stupid penalties shall we??
Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.
reason he isn't getting the ball moe
is because he keeps getting hurt lol.
When it's all said and done
Choice may the long-term starter by attrition…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Does that mean you disagree that Felix gets nicked up a lot? It looks pretty obvious to me.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
no he does
But I’m not on the “he’s fragile” bandwagon just yet. He’s approaching it though.
Summarizing the Dallas Cowboys in two words; inconsistently amazing.
Barber has a good fill in.
Havent we been over this. I forget though who did you say is Felix’s backup.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Dallas O
I don’t like the 2 consecutive fades, but perhaps Garrett was confident that we’d win the game and thought he’d test Tony to see how he does throwing fades in game situations. You can do it a million times in practice, but you can’t quite simulate a game situation.
Romo’s scramle and throw across the field looked nice, but it was quite scary. When he threw it, I thought the Panthers would take it back for 6; but like Maverick from Top Gun, Romo’s a wild card, flies by the seat of his pants.
Romo, Folk, and the Dallas D helped me win my fantasy football matchup this week, though ;) It was mostly the D.
does that make whitten goose?
and if we would have lost that game..those 2 fades would be all over ESPN…man it would have been a miserable week…it makes me wonder if the o-line gets pissed when the o.c. pulls something stupid like that…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 29, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions
and if we would have lost that game..those 2 fades would be all over ESPN
If Dallas had lost the game, this thread would have been 1,000 posts screaming to fire Jason Garrett today
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't particularly like the throw...
but of crazy throws, that was probably one of his least crazy ones. He would have had to seriously screw up to throw a pick there. Choice was wiiiiiiiiiiiiide open.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 29, 2009 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Not much risk on that throw. And I KNEW it was a good throw when Steve Young criticized it.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
You're not kidding
I appreciate critical analysis but Young was way over the top last night. He basically couldn’t find anything about the Cowboys to like. And then to listen to an abject failure GM like Matt Millen pile on was more than I can take. I really don’t understand why anyone would listen to a guy who was as big a failure as he was at running a NFL team.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I listened to NFL Network .......
because they just give the press conferences instead of all the negatives from guys like Steve Young. Did you hear Carter before the game? He really hates the Cowboys.
I dont think we really won ugly
200+ yards on the ground, and surrender just 7 points defensively?
I the Giants won that way it would be “New York Giant football.”
Good effort Boys
OBSERVATION - EMOTION = COMMON SENSE
by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Sep 29, 2009 6:11 AM CDT reply actions
Great to see you back, Glory!
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
We scored 13 points offensively
We won ugly in the sense that our defense saved us. Our offense despite it’s ground game, was not firing on all cylinders.
The offense was actually not bad
They held a really strong edge in TOP and that makes a big difference in keeping the defense rested and in field position. They also moved the ball pretty well. The issue is mistakes – not picking up blitzes, penalties. When they get those squared away, they’ll look a heck of a lot better.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Agreed.
Settling for field goals on two possessions from their 1 yard line made it seem like the offense was worse than it was. That, plus the missed field goal would have made it 31-7. I think that those mistakes can get ironed out, though, since one was just arrogant play calling and the other was a flinch by a 6th round rookie.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 29, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
The defense played good, but it was a team win.
There were no “Huge” mistakes on either side of the ball. That is how you win football games. Playing mistake free is how you run opponents out of the stadium.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
Pittsburgh won a SB using that approach
Yes the defense carried the offense last night (although the offense generated 449 yards). So what? Sometimes that’s how a good team wins. It’s worked for the Steelers and Ravens in SB winning years.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
What I don't get...
is that some media say with the RBs and OL we have, we should just run it all the time. Then when we do and get a hard fought, gutsy win against a hungry 0-2 team, reading the DMN articles and listening to ESPN I got the feeling they were all backhanding Dallas for not winning flashy (ie. throwing deep, what Young said last night). Can’t have it both ways. I’m perfectly happy with 200+ yds rushing (more ball control), no turnovers from Romo, and a stingy, rested defense.
Ding ding ding have a winner...
ESPN has always been like that. If the Cowboys win by ten, they ask why we didn’t win by 21. And god forbid we win a close game because then obviously we don’t have what it takes to win in the NFL.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 29, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it just me or...
… are there concerns about D-Ware not making as much of an impact after three games.
And from what I’ve seen, he doesn’t seem as quick off the ball nor as creative with his moves to da opposing QB.
That being said…
… I hope he busts out against Denver and makes me eat my words.
He is my fave (ain’t gonna lie about that), and I’d like to see him make more of an impact on the defensive side of da ball…
Celebrity or Imposter?
YOU Decide...
http://www.xanga.com/metaltometal/689036052/celebrity-or-imposter/
He had some pressure last night.
He will get his. I think part of his problem is that nobody else has stepped up so far, which is also why teams are killing us in the hurry up/2 minute drill. They can focus on stoning him, because no one else is getting off of their one on one blocks.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 29, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Ware if fine.
He’s a split second from having six sacks this season. Let’s not jump off the bridge just yet.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Who said anything about jumping off a bridge
I just don’t think he’s playing as well as last year and I don’t know why.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the problem is that we haven't put as many teams into obvious passing situations
and that the teams we have been playing have game planned around our pass rush pretty well by relying on short drops and some draws.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 29, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
...short *3 or 5-step* drops...
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 29, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
True we only had a 2 score lead after Tnew int and their was 5minutes and 7 secs
left in the game. Then 2 sacks and a forced fumble.
I dont think we ever had a 2 score lead on the Giants.
Dont recall the Bucs game but it seems like our 2 score lead came late in the 3rd and shortly after we started getting knock downs on Leftwich. I really dont like to use the 1st game because I just dont believe those games are indicative of the season.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I am not jumping off the bridge either, but something is not right with Ware
There are probably about 30 players who are “a split second from having six sacks this season.” The difference is that Ware is the guy who normally gets those six sacks. There is something off. I don’t know whether it is a different scheme, missing Ellis and/or lingering effects from the injury during the Tampa Bay game, but something is not quite right.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Didn't mean to imply anything guys.
Sorry if you took it that way.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Felix Jones
Felix leaves me speechless. Is everyone aware that for the year he’s carried 21 times for 212 yards?? Sure that may sound like nothing more than a good half from Adrian Peterson, but hey, we cant all be Adrian Petersons.
On the minus side, I have it on good information that Felix just hurt his back geting out of bed to brush his teeth this morning …
Raf saw this coming from miles away
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 29, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Great post
I totally agree with this and wondered before why they didn’t just plug Felix into what Julius used to be. But considering Felix’s injury history, Choice needs to be worked in more.
If he could just stay healthy...
Hopefully he will build up that NFL strength over the course of the season. Who knows, though? This team seems to always have guys out of the game with minor injuries.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 29, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice win
Garrett frustrated me a bit again with those delays up the middle getting extremely predictable, and those two fades at the goalline back to back.
Also, I lost my fantasy game by 2 yards (0.2) points. I had Romo, Felix Jones and Steve Smith going last night. Romo taking the knee twice at the end cost me a tie. When Tashard Choice’s TD reception was called back, I knew I was done for. Then Felix goes down. Then Steve Smith throws a hissyfit, and screws up when he finally gets the ball thrown to him; so he doesn’t even get looked at on the final drive. But hey, I’ll take a Cowboys win over a fantasy win by a mile. Losing by 2 yards just took a little luster off the victory.
Your post is exactly why I'm not interested in fantasy
I know a lot of people enjoy it but it warps the game. You’re hurt because Romo took a knee? That’s exactly what he has to do. And shutting down Steve Smith gives you a twinge of heartburn? I can’t deal with that kind of nonsense. I’m enough of a wreck watching the Cowboys.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
+1111
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Some praise for Romo
Romo did a couple of things right tonight:
1. He held onto the football. There were at least 2 occasions tonight that would have been fumbles last year but for Romo’s use of BOTH HANDS on the ball. I think that is a fantastic off-season adjustment.
2. He took sacks and punted (usually). Pass to Choice – and Impossible pass to Williams aside, he didn’t try to be a hero when protection collapsed.
3. He was very, very accurate. We didn’t see any howlers like the one that went off of Witten’s foot.
I would add to that
He threw the ball away several times and he ran instead of trying to force passes.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
That pass to Choice is not as crazy as the announcers made it out to be.
No one was within 10 yards of Choice when Romo threw it. He could have put a little more zip on it but that’s hard to do when you whirl around like he did. The pass wasn’t that dangerous. It wasn’t a lateral, and Choice was as wide open as you get near the LOS. Romo played exactly how he needed to play.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
It was a safe throw
And after the criticism Romo took last week, I’m glad he had the guts to make it. I was as harsh as anyone, I can imagine a guy being gun shy on making a throw that is usually very risky after getting hammered for being a gunslinger
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
It's good to see him finally running again.....
because that’s when he’s at his best and most dangerous.
Keeping plays alive in the pocket...
seemed like he was rushed over 50% of the pass plays. Only bad play was the intentional grounding. They had put together a pretty good drive up to that point.
I'm not convinced that was grounding
I taped the game and will go back and look but when they showed the replay the way the ball wobbled in the air it looked like it slipped out his hand or someone hit his arm. If that’s the case, Bennett was somewhat in the area (I think it was him, lined up as a normal TE on the right side, released upfield).
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
the ball wobbled badly, looked like he was hit during the throw.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 29, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Poor Bears
How long have they been desperately seeking a Running Back? We have 3 guys who are better than anybody they have had since Payton. And (aside from Felix), we got them all in late rounds.
Matt Forte?
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Sep 29, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you, I thought something went over my head
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe the Bears have been desperately seeking a quarterback, not a running back
Neal Anderson, Thomas Jones, Matt Forte, etc. They’ve have some good RBs over the years since Payton. Yes, Curtis Enis and Rashaam Salaam did not work out, but their QB history is the real problem.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Isn't that a problem for them ever since Chicago got a franchise?
JIm McMahan might be an exception, but he was no Aikman or Montana, or even Cutler. Have they EVER had a pass-first or even really balance O? Serious question. I was thinking they have been a run first O ever since Halas started the Bears.
Great win
This was a big win in a big game that we needed desperately and Romo and the Cowboys came through in the clutch
I thought Romo played extremely well, his qb rating would have been well over 100 if not for Choice’s knee hitting the one and RW dropping that easy TD. It’s clear from this performance that Romo is a winner and I want the ball in his hands when the game is on the line.
Our balance was exceptional and I thought Garrett did a great job of calling plays in that regard. I’m one of the few who liked the two fade passes at the goal line, those were good calls that just weren’t executed well. I am concerned about Felix’s knee however, hope he’s okay.
I thought the defense was much improved and played very inspired and emotional football in the 2nd half, pretty much hutting down the Panthers completely. Newman extracted some revenge on the haters and our pass rush finally came alive.
The penalties were the only thing keeping this game from being a blowout.
Job well down Cowboys
In Romo we Trust
That wasn't an "easy TD" RW dropped
I agree he should catch that most of the time but it was far from easy.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
any ball that hits a pro receivers hands
should be an easy catch, especially for a receiver like RW. Fitzy would have caught that with one hand.
In Romo we Trust
If it hits a pro WR in the hands it should be caught, especialy to a guy who cost a helluva lot to bring here
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I said it should have been caught
That doesn’t make it an “easy” catch. Easy is what I was debating.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with everything you said
with this one exception
I think the first fade was OK. The second one, back to back, was a bit much. I think maybe a run there would have been wiser.
that was just a miscommunication between Romo and Bennett
Bennett one on one at the goal line against any db in the league is a no brainer, the dude has serious hops.
In Romo we Trust
It kind of looked like
Bennett got tied up just as he got in the endzone and ball went flying WAY OVER his head.
What was the miscommunication?
Serious hops, and 0 for 2 on execution.
If you like Bennett in that spot then throw the 1st fade to him, after that pound it. Im sorry Terry but when you rush for over 200 yards 2 weeks in a row you just wont find many(if any) people that dont think we shouldnt have run it on the 2nd play.
KICK ASS every day!!!
everyone is entitled to their opinion
mine is that having RW and Bennett one on one against midget CBs is a serious mismatch that we should take advantage of at every opportunity.
In Romo we Trust
Your right but, our big ass Oline offers the same mismatch.
It also make a statement. It also what we do best.
KICK ASS every day!!!
If the QB would have made a better throw it would have worked
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Just would have liked to have seen it...
sometime in the preseason. Though I’m sure they run it a lot in practice. Marty B could be a decoy out there too for a draw.
I really don't understand Garrett
Idiotic playcalling like that will get one fired. He was the only person in the stadium who didn’t think we could punch it in from the one yard line, and thank goodness it didn’t come back to haunt us.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 29, 2009 7:24 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
we couldn't run it in from the one
the last time we were at the goal line. Good call, poor execution.
In Romo we Trust
On 1 play
They stopped him ONCE on 3rd and 1. That is no reason to stop running the ball at the one yard line for the rest of the game.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 29, 2009 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
I dont have a problem with the first fade but if we cant punch it from the one then we are in for more of last year.
Im not complaining about the first fade but I wish we would have lined up and tried to punch it in on all 3 downs if necessary. Lets establish our identity as a team that will run it down your throat.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Agree
they have already begun building a “running team” identity with this line – even as they screwed up blitz identitifcation and pick-up, they run blocked great. I say you build on that attitude and punch it in.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
When has a QB sneak...
not gained a yard? Ok, besides Miss St.-LSU. That was atrocious!
Or how about...
…a good ol’ fashion dive play right up the gut.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
The bad
1. Since when is hitting somebody with the top of your shoulder pads with your back turned proper tackling technique? All of our DB’s seem to use the same method so I wonder if Campo teaches it. I guess they all think they will hit so hard that they won’t have to wrap up. But it didn’t work. SEE WHAT YOU HIT!!!
2. How do opposing defenses always call out what we are running before we run a play. Somebody needs to self-scout what our tells are. More importantly, why isn’t our defense doing that?
3. Still no pass rush whatsoever for most of the game. Our blitzers get stoned at the line of scrimmage. That is really disturbing.
4. By contrast, their blitzers kept getting free runs at Romo.
I wonder on the tackling too
but maybe they are trying to make the ball jarring hit to compensate for poor coverage or reaction in the first place.
I am hoping Butler will be able to spell Spencer and provide pressure. he came in this game out of necessity and maybe has earned himself a little time in the rotation. Let’s hope he is a partial answer.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I think Octavien was on the field at the end too
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with DannyWhite from above
Just a few added comments re: the game
What I liked- You can see that Felix is a weapon. They replayed him doing a little juke on some DB and that DB getting all discombobulated and the Felix is gone. Like Jerry Jones once said, “Felix has ’miss ’em.”
Romo was a much better manager and we got a win.
Special teams was solid. We generally had good position, they generally didn’t.
Tash. I’m pro-Choice.
Jay Ratliff- The local sports guy (Babe Laufenberg) said his contacts from Carolina said Ratliff was the guy they were most concerned with.
What I didn’t like – Felix is a tad delicate.
Bobby Carpenter – I sound like a broken record ragging on this guy but he plays like a big, slow DB instead of a fast LB. It appears that he doesn’t like contact and rather than hit someone squarely, he prefers to drag them down from behind. I’m still on BCSBW (Bobby Carpenter Snot Bubble Watch). I have yet to see him plaster anyone.
Crayton- Overall he did a great job receiving and on punts, but on one runback he had a chance to lay out the kicker and instead he stepped out of bounds. C’mon Patrick, hammer their kickers whenever you can.
Idiot penalties
All in all, I’m glad we got a W. A long time ago there was a Dallas talking head who commented on the fans reaction to an ugly Cowboys win. He said, “C’mon, what do you want…something to hang in the Louvre or a win? Be happy with the win?”
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
What I like about Romo the game manager
is that it can be the start of a more effective QBing scheme. Sometimes (like the TB game) you need Romo to win. Sometimes (like Car) you don’t. When he is able to go back and forth based on game situation wihhtout making crucial mistakes (see NYG game) he’ll be a complete QB.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I really liked what he was saying after the game. Not just because he was saying that he was going to continue to do better, but because he knows what he was doing wrong. And that was not remaining focused on every single play, according to him.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 29, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He's said all the right things for quite a while
Except after the Philthy loss last year, he got that one wrong. Otherwise he’s been pretty good at looking out with those sad eyes and talking about taking better care of the ball.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Reformed Carpenter Fan
I’ve been hanging onto my memory of Carpenter’s play against the Seahawks. I never understood why he was in Phillips’ doghouse. But now I’m beginning to see the light. Aside from decent coverage, Carpenter has done nothing of value as our nickle LB. And we have given up huge runs when he was in there.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 29, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Carpenter brings nothing.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly what I thought...
But I still can’t wait to see Jason Williams get healthy because I think he can be awesome in that role with a little bit of time.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 29, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I did too...
I’d like to have whatever Carpenter was drinking before that Seattle playoff game.
I like the win, but I'm still not going to get too excited.
We will be at Denver next week, a team that has shown a propensity for luck. Celebrate the win, but remember there are no gimme’s in the NFL. Just keep it efficient and mistake free, and everything will work out.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
"a propensity for luck"
Hilarious but true.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
going to Denver is always tough
even when the team isn’t that good, one of toughest places to play in the league.
In Romo we Trust
Isn't Denver 3-0
I don’t care who they’ve played, I know they were NFL teams. They’re not as bad as some people may think.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Never said they were bad.
Just said that they are “Crazy” lucky too. Remember the ball off Witten’s foot? I don’t want to see any Voo Doo crap like that again.
"Help, it's hot and dark in here and someone is laughing." Taco Bell
That's why I said "some people"
I’ve heard from a number of people they think Denver will be an easy win
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
There are no easy wins......
tell that to the Redskins. I’m agreeing with you btw.
I still thought they would be pretty good...
even after the Cutler debacle. Someone from Belicheck’s coaching tree has to amount to something, don’t they??!!
Low expectations for this group
undiciplined, fundamentally unsound, and listless is how I describe this bunch. I see this team with a mark somewhere between 7-9 to 9-7… Hopefully that’s bad enough to get Wade his pink slip.
I knew Spencer would eventually lose his job to somebody...
…but not this soon. I was hoping he’s make it until the Philly game, but Dallas would be stupid to just keep trotting him out there. I watched Spencer the entire game (every snap, I found #93), and he’s basically a waste of space.
I don’t know anything about Victor Butler… nothing. (And I won’t pretend to). I’m reading above that he’s not good against the run, and can’t cover? But you know what? Who cares? Neither can Spencer, but at least it appears that Butler actually wants to get to the QB. With Spencer, you may as well just line up with 10 guys – Because he’s useless.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
Since you really can't block Ratliff with one guy...
…wouldn’t everyone love to see him play some D-End?
Imagine having Rat and Ware on the same side!
That leaves a LT to deal with both of them and I think it’s fair to say that a young Tony Boselli or Jonathan Ogden would fail there. Of course a team would be forced to keep a TE in to block on just about EVERY passing play, but even there, I like Rat and D Ware to beat any LT-TE duo in the league a few times.
Of course this presupposes that Spears or Olshansky can get the job done in the middle, but I would just love to see offenses try to deal with those two on one side.
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
It would be fun to watch
the pointing and audibles being shouted if suddenly Rat shifted outside next to Ware.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
If you line them up on one side permanently, teams will just max protect that side of the line, and attack the weaker side. It doesn’t work. You need balance. However, if you can find situations on the occasional 2nd or 3rd and long where you can line up those 2 guys on one side when the defense isn’t anticipating it, you might have something there.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
Reverse to Crayton
1. Why do we run a reverse (end around if you are a purist) to our slowest receiver?
2. More importantly, why does it always seem to work?
Over agressive ends crashing down the line
We set Peppers up for that one.
I thought it was funny that Crayton was pointing out who he wanted blocked 15 yards down field like he actually had the wheels to get there. LOL.
They never expect Dallas to put the ball in the hands
of it’s slowest offensive player!!
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
I was surprised that none of Crayton's big gains were called back by a Flozell penalty
but seriously, I like how Romo ran for some positive gains last night. With 27 rushing yards so far, he is about to eclipse his total for the entire 2008 season.
Glad he chose to run (good Romo) instead of slinging it (bad Romo)
That was Romo the game manager and that’s what we need consistently.
That's a bold claim
None of his OL failures make the list? Carpenter at least is still getting snaps.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
He gets snaps
Sure he gets snaps but does it really matter if he isn’t making a difference? His best work is on special teams…
Joseph O. Garcia
Shades of Deion
when it came time to tackle.
When can we expect professional football players to learn how to tackle in the open field?
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
I’m happy with the win but…
…the passing game does worry me a little bit. They won’t be able to rattle off 200+ of rushing against every team they play this year and at some point they are going to have to produce some points out of the passing game. At some point they will face someone in a big game that will shut down their run and take Witten out of the game. That is when Dallas will need some production from the wide outs and I’m not feeling terribly confident in this group. They just don’t seem to get much separation at this point in time.
I’m really surprised that they haven’t schemed up a way to take advantage of Roy’s massive size advantage yet. Kind of use him the way the 90’s teams used to use Irvin.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
you have to understand
Carolina was playing a cover 2 and you’re not going to get big passing plays against that type of defense.
You have to hit underneath stuff, thats why Witten had a big game. Romo threw for 255 which is certainly respectable.
When teams line up to stop our run, then you’ll see Romo light defenses up for big plays.
Pick your poison.
In Romo we Trust
What's the worry?
Romo threw for 255 yards and no picks with a healthy YPA of 7.72 against a cover 2 defense…that’s pretty good. He played a game where he took what they gave him. I’ll take that any day.
450 yards of offense
If you want to worry, worry about the penalties that probably cost 10 – 14 points.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 29, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh I also worry about the penalties...
…a LOT… But the day will come this season when this team will need its wide outs to produce and I hope they are up to the task. The last two games they seem to have had difficulty beating man to man coverage.
The 2009 Dallas Cowboys: Talk to me in December.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
I have faith..
when the opposing D stacks the line/double teams Witten, Romo will be able to beat them. But that involves WRs beating man coverage.
I’ve also wondered why they haven’t used Roy like they used Irvin. They’re both big and physical.
For all the critics who say we have no leadership
Wade Gets After Them At Halftime
Posted by nickeatman at 9/29/2009 1:39 AM CDT on truebluefanclub.com
Apparently he wasn’t the only voice raised in the locker room at halftime, but the head coach certainly got his point across.
Roy Williams said he was surprised by the eye-opening lecture from the usually mild-mannered head coach.
"I was like, ‘wow,’" Williams said. "He was getting after us a little bit. That’s good."
Phillips was obviously upset with the mental mistakes that led to a 7-0 deficit. But the other leaders were voicing their displeasure as well. Tony Romo admitted to getting after the offensive players at halftime, but I’m sure he was rather frustrated with himself, too.
“Nobody was happy with the first half,” said Terence Newman. “There were a lot of people upset about what was going on. But we turned it around.”
The defense responded with four straight three-and-outs to start the second half. The offense scored 14 points and got some help from the defense, too.
Doesn’t hurt to get a little kick in the ace every once in a while.
In Romo we Trust
Good to hear...
I was wondering whether Wade had the ability to light a fire under their a$$.
top rushing offense in the nfl...very impressive
People can knock this o line all they want but they are beasts in the run game…Having a game breaker like felix jones helps also, if this kid can stay healthy he will be a fixture at the pro bowl on a yearly basis…
they're beasts in the passing game as well
It just depends how the defense plays us. After a few more dominant rushing performances I’m sure defenses will start putting more defenders in the box and then’s when Romo will shread them to pieces.
Pick your poison.
In Romo we Trust
"Hello Newman"
Welcome back!! I called T-New out yesterday for a poor showing in game 1 & 2. Today I have to say that he played at a level that is pro bowl worthy. Terrance, … thanks for showing up last night. We appreciate it!!
As good as Crayton was returning punts last night...
I’d like to see Dallas draft a CB/WR that can also return kicks (Jacoby Jones, Hester). Crayton seems like he’s jogging. Parcells tried to unsuccessfully with Skylar Green. Former UT WR Crosby is doing a good job of this in Cincy.
Crayton is definitely not sprinting the whole time
But that’s just his style of return. He did the same thing on the reverse to him. He sleds upfield, sets up his blocks, and accelerates when he needs to. I agree that he doesn’t have the explosion of someone like Cribbs or Percy Harvin, and he will never be that home run threat, but his approach does consistently result in strong returns, and he very rarely loses yardage.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Crayton's style
I just want a sure-handed guy back there. Crayton is just that. While he won’t ever be a Cribbs of Harvin, he should have a decent return average. Either way, if the other team is punting, then it’s good.
Joseph O. Garcia
All true...
I’d just like to have a threat back there, like Austin or Felix on kick returns. You feel like there’s a threat they’ll return it for 6. If Newman wasn’t so fragile, I’d love to see him back there.
Formations
I was very impressed with some of the formations that Jason Garret was calling for last night. When Jason Witten lines up in the backfield, he always gets great blocks on defenders. He did a great job on Julius Peppers last night. We also ran a few wishbone formation plays. All in all over 200 yards rushing again for the Cowboys. Keep it up.
Joseph O. Garcia
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