Turk Day for the Dallas Cowboys
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 5:05 PM CDT
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PrintThe Turk has been busy today. Here are the players the Cowboys cut to get the roster down to 53.
OFFENSE
QB: Rudy Carpenter
RB: Keon Lattimore
FB: Julius Crosslin, Asaph Schwaap
WR: Mike Jefferson, Manuel Johnson, Isaiah Stanback, Jesse Holley, Willie Reid
TE: Scott Chandler
OL: Travis Bright, Ryan Gibbons
DEFENSE
NT: Jonas Seawright
DE: Derreck Robinson, Marcus Dixon
LB: Matt Stewart
S: DeAngelo Smith
CB: Courtney Brown, Mike Mickens, Jeremy Haynes, DeAngelo Willingham
Also, the team officially moved LB Stephen Hodge to IR.
Make the jump for Raf's snap analysis of the Cowboys' roster.
ADDENDUM
I'm going to jump into Aaron's thread and give a snap analysis of the roster.
Offense 25
QB (3)
- Romo
- Kitna
- McGee
No surprises here
RB & FB (4)
- Barber
- F. Jones
- Choice
- Anderson
Nor here
TE (3)
- Witten
- Bennett
- Phillips
John Phillips staked his place pretty early.
WR (5)
- Williams
- Crayton
- Austin
- Hurd
- Ogletree
Anybody shocked?
OL (10)
- Adams
- Kosier
- Gurode
- Davis
- Colombo
- Free
- Holland
- Preston
- Proctor
- McQuistan
I'm surprised there are ten here. Is one a placeholder? A conditional trade in the works? The Cowboys did this with James Marten last year too.
ST (4)
- P - McBriar
- Ks -- Folk, Buehler
- S -- Ladouceur
- Spears
- Ratliff
- Olshansky
- Hatcher
- Siavii
- Bowen
- James
- Brooking
- Carpenter
- Jason Williams
- Ware
- Spencer
- Octavien
- Butler
- C. Johnson
- George
- Newman
- Scandrick
- Jenkins
- Ball
- Hamlin
- Sensabaugh
- M. Hamlin
- Watkins
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Yikes
Can’t believe the turk didn’t visit Proctor.
Tom Grieve is my hero.
HIS NAME WAS ON THE CUT LIST
DAMN don`t get my hopes up like that~!!!!! that was a cruel post edit as I swear I saw his name on the list.
May get dumped
when they grab a waiver player
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 5, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Proctor hsn't been cut, YET...
This isn’t the final roster and it’s obvious if someone better is availble on waivers…Proctor is toast…especially with the price tag on him…Preston still being on the team should tell you something…
LOL
+1/2 I’d like to have a replacement picked, but yeah, that guy couldn’t block my grandma.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
I've seen your Grandma,
I would try steal her rubarb pie,,JK
maybe miles
is right behind him. Him and hurd cannot stay the healthy the entire year. Maybe irvin and his crew were right about Holley. Good chance hurd and miles don’t make the entire season
by oneforthethumb on Sep 5, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
MartyB tweeted that he's a practice squad candidate
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope so too.
It would be nice to have him and Holley on the PS—that way they can pull one of those guys up if they really need a WR. They would already be familiar with the offense and ready to go.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It's just a practice squad WR.
He’s just a popular guy with the fans. No biggie.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 6, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
He needs time?
He’s 25. This is his third year as a pro. He may get a little better, but I think he’s pretty much hit his ceiling
Maybe not Larry Fitzgerald good?
Way to go out on a limb there buddy.
by BrentTaylor21 on Sep 5, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Yeah I was kind of thinking the same thing. You can say that about 9/10’s of the league.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 6, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope he's at least Jefferson good
otherwise it’s a waste of a PS spot, DC.com didn’t predict any OL to the PS.
Would be a shame to not at least 1. Maybe I am unduly high on Brights potential, IDK. They did mention that he was working at center. Seems like it would be good to work someone, Preston is a 1 year contract right, then there is the Proctoman. At least he has size and strength, but I think he’s another slow footed dude.
Are we going into the draft next year looking for a G/C again, along with everything else?
No major surprises here
Only minor surprise is Matt Stewart.
i am surprised at Matt Stewart being cut...
Thought he was a wade pick
I agree on Stewart.
Stewart did more to make the team than Carpenter.
Procter is a joke. A UFL team wouldn’t even sign this clown.
Stewart
was working on long-snapping, and I was thinking he might replace LP, plus serve as LB backup.
Not to be.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
Proctor Lives?
On DC.com
Injured Reserve:
Stephen Hodge
Waived:
Travis Bright
Courtney Brown
Rudy Carpenter
Scott Chandler
Julius Crosslin
Marcus Dixon
Tearrius George
Ryan Gibbons
Jeremy Haynes
Jesse Holley
Mike Jefferson
Manuel Johnson
Keon Lattimore (waived/injured)
Mike Mickens
Willie Reid
Derreck Robinson
Asaph Schwapp
Jonas Seawright
DeAngelo Smith
Isaiah Stanback
Matt Stewart
DeAngelo Willingham
Travis Bright vs Cory Proctor – which one stays?
Anybody know anything about this Bryan Smith DE the Eagles cut?
Undersized for 4-3 DE, but as a 3-4 linebacker?
octavien and butler
Are sufficient for now, but we need inside backers much more than we need outside. Bwilliams goes down and all of a sudden were desperate? Give me a break, its virtually the same w octavien in there, that said hopefully neither of them see the field unless its for special teams.
by TONYINCC on Sep 6, 2009 11:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
probaly the same
file deon anderson and pat watkins have.
by oneforthethumb on Sep 5, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
even though
crosslin dropped a few last night the kid can flat out run and block.
This is a problem with the cowboys. we are too committed to bottom of our lineup where we should just churn these guys out every year.
by oneforthethumb on Sep 5, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
we keep
the watkins,anderson, around year after year why? Special teams. Well they did not have a great impact last year.
by oneforthethumb on Sep 5, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
there was no way Anderson was getting cut
that was a given.. He was a standout on special teams and picks up a blitz and if they use him alittle more in the checkdowns, he’ll average 9 yards in the passing games as he did in his rookie season. Crosslin is a grunt, that’s it
How is watkins
still on the team?
The last 3 years he makes the dumbest plays of all our players.
Last night he plays good against a bunch of scrubs and everyone loves him.
Any other QB than rosenfels and they go right around watkins at the goal line.
Mark my words he is a stupid penalty waiting to happen in a tight game.
At leats mickens and smith has some ball sense Watkins just plain stinks!!!!
he still stinks
and they should have given one of the rookies a chance.
I haven’t seen mickens or smith take a stupid penalty all pre-season
by oneforthethumb on Sep 5, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping they
pick up somebody other than him.
Everyone complains about procter. At least the guy tries.
Watkins is a walking penalty!!
by oneforthethumb on Sep 5, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Proctor's play
was a huge part of our collapse last year.
Proctor Was Not The Problem Last Year
Sorry, but that is plain wrong. It is actually almost criminal the way Proctor has turned into a bag lady on Cowboy boards. I guess it is the herd mentality. I can understand hating on the guy; but saying he was a huge part of the disaster that was the 2008 season is wrong, if not retarded.
And I guess Julius Jones was the best back we ever had.
You are delusional if you didn’t see him deposited 3-5 yards backward on every play. Why do you think the offense was so much better when Kosier or Holland were in there?
Holland Wasn't In There, for one
Holland took forever to break into the lineup, why was that? He must have really sucked if he could dislodge the Proctor you describe.
Unfortunately El Procto has 2 things over Holland
Better agility and he can play center……well he can get the ball between his thighs.
Hi Mrs Procter
Your son is not up to NFL 2nd string standards, as he gets mauled in pass protection.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
An injury plagued Flozel Adams.
Numerous false starts and the inability to seal off interior stunts. That 3 gap was exploited heavily by the eagles et al.
I won't argue about Flozel...his hand swelled to twice its normal size a points during the season...
and most of the blocking problems came from the left side of the line, but Proctor was over there too…If memory serves, there weren’t too many “jail breaks” on the edge, but there were definitely "breaks up the middle. The truth is that Kozier, although not a superstar, communicated better with Flozel and Proctor was not anywhere near as effective.
He may not have been the revolving door that many feel he is, but the line performed worse when he manned the LG position. Although Proctor wasn’t the only problem he was the biggest one…
I think it was a combination of both
I think communication with either Kosier or Proctor was fine. Proctor just got beat.
And there were a few times when Flozell was beaten from the edge. He had shoulder problems too. His outside shoulder was shot and couldn’t extend like he needed to.
Thing is, we can line up our best guys from left to right and gametime still dictates the outcome. There is no magical lineup formula that will solve it. When we played bad, we played BAD.
Proctor on the roster doesn’t make much sense. I’m guessing they will trade with him or include him in a package deal.
I don't think anyone thinks Proctor remains on the roster for long...he's not a good enough player.
Not that it makes much difference now, but Proctor was the main reason the OL performed badly last year, which in larg
Yeah, you definitely can make that claim.
I think overall – the failure was being able to play as a OL unit amidst the proven defensive strategy against our offense. We had multiple misfires throughout the season line wise. I can’t single proctor out since I don’t think it would solve our OL problems. It would be a mistake to think that would be the answer.
When you have a 1 dimensional offense. Defenses will take their chances with coming after the QB.
When you look at it from a strategic standpoint – Dallas had no “middle game”. In other words, Dallas either had a vertical threat or they grind for every first down. There were was no significant control of posession. They scored fast or they punt because of the lack of 3rd down conversions.
All this affects how they attack the offense. Coupled with a suspect OL, most teams doubled TO and just went after Romo.
Teams did this because we had a hug imbalance in our offensive capabilities. You can’t keep defenses honest.
That will change this year.
Actually, Dallas had a "middle game", they just chose not to employ it.
The reasons were unfortunately, self imposed. The boring truth is that the Dallas offense was pretty good last year, if you factor out the games that Romo didn’t play. Injuries were the main reason for their woes.
self imposed or not. You will not win games when you can't sustain drives and have control of the football game.
For a few reasons, they were not sustaining drives. And that was unfortunate.
Injuries was huge.
Problem Last Year?
Your statement that there was a sole problem last year is laughable on its face. The glass jaw – no gut group last year – had so many problems I couldn’t name them all without writing a feature length book. Start with the malcontents like Tank and Pacman and TO that caused moral problems. Fast forward to no back up quarterback. Flo had trouble, as did Holland. Sure Proctor had trouble but he also run blocked successfully; note the big runs by Choice as just one example where Proctor contributed. How about Gurode and his snapping snafus? Might I go on to the middle of the defense that was soft as jello? How about the safety play? Who gave up the runs to the Ravens? Who quit so the Eagles could make a doormat out of a once proud franchise on a national stage with all on the line? Proctor could have been better than All Pro and last year’s team was going to be a disaster.
Iowa, your basic premise is right...
Proctor indeed was not the only problem. And you cite several good reasons… But I take issue with a couple of your supporting comments:
First, is this claim that the defense was soft as jello… You’re obviously referring to two plays against the Ravens. Beyond these two plays, the defense played exceptionally well after Wade took over.
Second, while Proctor played the run well, he was such a liability on pass plays that Romo rarely had time to complete his progressions. Having a limp Flo next door made things worse, but Proctor was the greatest liability here.
If Flo were the only problem on the O-Line, this team would indeed have made the playoffs.
For the record, try not using Proctor and “all Pro” in the same sentence… it makes it impossible to ignore the post.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
He's an average two position player.
He get’s physically beaten too often, but the real value he has is his versatility.
I know, I know…he gets beaten in 2 positions as opposed to one…etc, etc.
But he knows this rodeo more than the other busquit eaters we have warming the bench.
We really don’t have a back-up center. Now we have two C/G players that can step in and fill.
We need a true back-up G. Holland will not hold up, in my opinion. He relies on his size too much and has average athletic ability.
Didn’t proctor sign a deal this past off-season? Him being here tells me they are not convinced about Holland.
Holland is Suspect
The Duke addition is proof of this. Holland is a big marshmellow. He can’t play center. He is marginal at the pull block or the block in space downfield. He gets pushed around more than is warranted for a 325 lug. Proctor has a chance to get stronger and learn the position. Holland is as good as he will ever be which is not very good.
They are really thin at backup safety.
Had to keep him.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Easy
he played lights out on Friday.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
+1
Watkins played like Ed Reed last night.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
LOL
They should tell him every week that he’s on the bubble.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
YEEEEESSSSS!!!
SEE YA…. Stanback!!!…..about freaking time…Just like advertsed we are keeping 5 WR’s….Maybe Jerry has learned these projects dont work and stop wasting draft picks on them. Cutting Stanback was the easiest decision by far to make today…
Does he make a UFL team?
That’s the only question left of Stanback. 1 catch with a fumble is all he did in the preseason.
Probably right
If he can’t learn the position in 3 years, he never will.
He may actually be able to stay healthy if he swiched back to QB
He breaks down too easy to be banging around as a WR or play special teams…
i hope rudy carp makes the PS. hes better than mcgobbler at QB..
He looks more comfortable in the pocket…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 6, 2009 12:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Crosslin’s not bad, it’s just Deon Andersen is bigger and stronger, can’t keep 2 FBs on the roster. Someone should pick up Crosslin though
I'm not enamored with either
With our RBs, our FB should never touch the football. They should just be a battering ram lead blocker. I actually liked Oliver Hoyte. Cricket isn’t bad. But he isn’t a devastating blocker.
don't need to be a devastating bocker
Moose Johnson really wasn’t, and he has worked with Anderson in the offseason giving him pointers about using the angles and the defenders own body weight to move them out of the way.
Anderson will be getting some checkdowns…
I'd rather run a two TE set with no FB
than have Anderson on the field. He would be fine every now and then, but I find Bennett much more of an asset and I definitely don’t want Witten on the bench.
The NFL is going the way of the spread offense.
Gone are the days of run oriented football.
Because nobody uses a true FB anymore
We could use one with our RB’s.
Glad to see them Virginia boys make the squad.
The only waiver moves I’d make are replacing McQ with anyone and finding a new 5th CB.
+1
Get rid of McQuestion mark (why the hell is he still on this team?) and bring in Runyon. Imagine how pissed the Eagles would be and don’t tell me that guy wouldn’t make a valuable backup.
Runyan was just cleared by Dr to play,
I think the Eagles are going to resign him after week one so his veteran contract wont be guaranteed.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Great for Ogletree. He'll make many a great play for us in the future. I think Crosslin
gave Anderson a run for his job, but I think the Cowboys made the right decision at the FB position. Romo had better get some ‘Proctor’ insurance.
Stanback never impressed. He took his shot and missed. Ogletree is a ‘real’ NFL receiver.
I also thought TE Phillips looked very good. Having that third TE, that can get down field and make a catch or two is huge.
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I wouldn't classify Phillips as a down the field tightend
more of a blocking tightend, but he had a really good camp and deserves a roster spot
Let's hear it for the 09 draft class
Tired head or lazy, how many draft picks did we have and how many made the team?
by cow_fanatic on Sep 5, 2009 5:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
6 of the 12 or 13 made it.
Different for Wade. He usually keeps them all.
well.....it doesn't look like our draft is doing too well right now..
not like I liked it anyway..looks like the best pick right now was the freaking kicker!!!…..WTF??…lol
some of these players were suppose to help us, especially on ST...
doesn’t look like it now….6 out of 13 isn’t very good.
I don't know where 13 comes from,
we made 12 draft choices last spring. 6 made the roster, 3 were cut, and 3 are on IR or PUP.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
and the possibilty of one or two making the practice squad
I don’t get this instant judgement on a first year draft class. Like I always said, thee most over hyped event in the NFL is the NFL draft.
I love draft day, but I'm with you on instant judgement.
There’s no way to know for sure, but I think all three of the injured rookies would have made the roster, Hodge, B. Williams, and Brewster.
And I expect all three of the cut rookies to be signed to the practice squad:
Mickens, D. Smith, and even Manny Johnson.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
People always say it's too early to judge
when we have a BAD DRAFT.
Last year, at this time, we knew we had a great draft. In ‘06 and ’07, everybody said "it’s too early to judge". No. We just had bad drafts those years. In 2005, again, everybody knew we had a great draft going into the season.
When we were coming out of camp last year we all thought
Bennett was a bust, most of us wanted Mendenhall over Jones, none of us knew Scandrick could play and if not for injuries he wouldn’t have, Jenkins was a stop gap for Pac Man. It wasn’t until both Barber and Jones were hurt we even knew who Choice was.
To say we knew going into the season is not accurate.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who said Bennet was a bust???
most thought he was a knucklehead by the way he acted on hardknocks..
I don’t remember everyone wanting Mendenhall over Jones. Most experts thought he’d be long gone, top ten. I liked Jonathan Stewart and Desean Jackson for running back and receiver choice. Hoped the injury to Steart would allow him to drop in our lap, but didn’t happen. It was the asinine excuse Jerry was peddling about taking Jones by saying he didn’t want a starting type back, but then took Choice in the fourth round. Jerry double talker Jones at his best..
I knew Scandrick, and said right after the draft, I thought he was the sleeper of the draft. Jenkins slipped and was a good pick late in the first round, he was talked about going top ten. choice was a value pick for the round he was selected in.
Did we cut ALL the late rounders?
That means they were wasted picks on top of the fact that they didn’t make sense when they were drafted. We usually have a few good ones churning the pile from the later rounds.
There were some who thought Bennett was a bust from
what they was on hard knocks.
The board was probably 60/40 in favor of Mendenhall
You knew Scandrick and some knew Mickens this year, my point is we didn’t really know we had a good draft until late into the season.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why I don't judge drafts in year one
I’d rather draft 12 players than move up and get three or four.. Better chances of success of fnding players in the lon run with 12 players drafted than with four.
Bennett might just be.....*flame alert*
Better than Witten.
There I said it. He needs work on blocking but without a doubt this kid has the mitts to be a great receiving threat. He has athleticism for a TE that we haven’t seen in D for sometime. Witten is tough as nails, Novacek was a stud but Bennett is a WR in a TE position.
Witten has become one of the best
blocking tight ends in the league, his preseason was unbelievable in the blocking department.
But you may be right, I think Bennett has a higher ceiling than Witten and can do almost everything Witten can and some things he cant.
They are both very good, oh its going to be fun!
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Certainly He's More Athletic
I never understood all the anger towards him during training camp last year. That was an uninformed overreaction. The guy was 21 then, and had lots of growing up to do. Being immature is different from being a bad kid or a cancer on the team.
That being said, he’s got a way to go to be in the same league as Witten. JW runs fantastic routes, and is a very good blocker besides. Bennett is a good run blocker, and can make crazy catches, but I’m not sure his pass blocking or route running is nearly as good. I like him, though, and think he can be a special player. He’s just not there yet.
just too bad he doesn't have Witten's smarts, professionalism and attention to detail
no doubt Bennett has talent, the question is will he ever meet his potential with his flacky personality
Just a random thought, but...
Perhaps the Hard-Knocks experience was the perfect medicine for Bennett … humbled on national TV just enough to create a bit of focus. Which is what we got from him for most of the season. You can’t fault the guy for liking the lime-light. You just can hope he also knows when it’s time to focus and work. Judging from his improvement in the last year, I’d say he’s doing just fine.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I agree...
but most of those “knuckleheaded” comments come from the “knuckleheads”…you get it on this wonderful blog as well as elsewhere. I happened to like how we’re drafting these past few years. We’re going for value.
All I ever surmised from Hard Knocks...
…Was that it was a TV show that set out to make Martellus look like a petulant slapnuts and they accomplished their goal. I never looked more deeply into it than that.
As for things I was personally wrong about, I questioned whether DeSean Jackson or Chris Johnson were built right to make solid pros. Of course, I also thought Steve Slaton would be a great mid-round steal and as it turns out he outperformed all other rookie running backs.
I think Bennett provided all the film to make himself look like a fool
he didn’t need any help from HBO
exactly
And, he could potentially be better than Witten. He’s a freak.
You got me there. HBO didn't use any trick editing.
But did the little TV show storyline (which is really all it ultimately amounted to) hamper him in any way from having a very productive and promising rookie season? Not at all.
Choice Was A Stud in College
So was Felix Jones; Scandrick had awesome numbers at combine . . . not sure this draft class has much to recommend it. It was a bad overall class but Dallas will look back as this class as one of those missed across the board years. We will be lucky to even get one starter out of the entire dozen.
i remember grizz hyping choice pretty good..so
Based on him knowledge of GT I felt comfortable with getting him in the 4th rd.
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 6, 2009 12:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And That Draft Was Deep at RB
Choice was available in large measure because there were so many very talented running backs in that draft. One of the deepest you will see
we also had 3 first day picks and none this year
every pick we drafted is a developmental prospect given where they are drafted so yes it is too early to judge
really?
Jason Williams will challenge Brooking for his ILB spot next year. He’ll probably have Carpenter’s spot in the nickel before the end of the year, if he rehabs that ankle fully.
I was told by a very good source that the team was ready to cut Proctor loose before Brewster got hurt. They like him.
Williams will start at split end in Tampa Bay.
That’s your top three rounds. You’re probably going to see three starters by ’10. Yeah, I would love to have gotten Unger, but this is hardly a washout draft.
It's not an instant judgement
It’s an opinion of the class based on where it is at this time, relax
+1 Deke...Can hardly call the draft a failure....
Show me all the teams that had (6) roster, and (3) IR players make a team in the league this year? Since we didn’t even draft til the 3rd round round, I still consider this a somewhat success draft so far. also (2) on the practice squad. 11 of 12 on team payroll….Since I haven’t even looked, Who is the drafted player that wasn’t retained by the team?
quincy, play nice with the other kids or
were going to line you up at QB and let proctor block for you!
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
quincyyyyy may not be playing nice, but he's right!
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
+1
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 6, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
That's all you have? You're better than that or are you?
3 out of 12 were cut, granted. How many others are injured before week 1? Isn’t that a symptom or some sort of red flag? Wasn’t that the knock on Stanback?
It’s okay to base an opinion on what you see immediately following the announcement of the 53. It’s not an indictment or a final grade on the draft class. I can’t believe this is what you were looking for out of the 12 we drafted. Low expectations if so
Who's questioning talent/ability
I’m questioning durability. You can’t question talent and ability if they’re hurt via Losing Isiah
Tearrius George was cut
That’s why you are heavy at LB.
I expect one O-lineman to be gone, with an additional DB and ILB signed. We have only 3 healthy ILBs and 3 healthy safeties, 6 healthy DBs with Ball banged up.
Indeed.
I saw Jamon Meredith got cut by the Packers, I’d probably give him a shot. He was a pretty big prospect. Not a good sign that he’s been cut twice already though.
oops
that was supposed to be a reply to Deke up there.
if Brewster wasn't injured, I'm sure McQ would be gone
injuries have really hampered what Dallas wanted to do with the roster
If Brewster were healthy
Proctor and McQuistan would be gone
I thought Bright might beat out Procter.
Guess Wade ran the old reverse there.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
after what happened last year
I don’t think Dallas wanted a rookie backup at guard or center, that’s why I thought Preston and Holland would make the roster over Gibbens
They will try to sign him to PS I bet
There was no way to keep Bright.
I’m waiting for Procter and McQ to get cut once they find a backup OT.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
Rudy Carpenter
Not that I care about the 3rd string QB, but my eyes tell me Carpenter is better than McGee.
McGee
It might just be one preseaon, but I didn’t see ANYTHING from McGee. I watched him at A&M, and I don’t get it – at all. Again, it’s just the 3rd string QB so no big deal.
haha
bobby is not as bad as some of you would like everyone to believe, hes not great but not as bad as advertised.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Although AJ Hawk just got demoted in Green Bay...wasn't he the 5th overall pick that year?
Ohio State is definitely not a school to look for linebackers…hope our scouting department takes note of that…
Ohio State? Don't look there for ANY position these days!
by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Their DBs have tons of speed
But the Big 10 is firing blanks recently
by AustonianAggie on Sep 6, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of Rudy Carpenter...the kid did pretty good...
he actually looked better than McGee did when he had a chance to play. He was poised and threw the ball pretty well. Maybe we have another undrafted Romo…I’m keeping my eyes on this kid…
+1 Kyle...I listened to all the pundits jack up his stock, and his combine info was looking good, but I guess I need to wait for the "potential" in McGee to show up..
I was touting QB- Nate Davis the whole time in the 3rd-5th…and we could have gotten him….but oh well….We’ll see who’s a starter over the next 4-5 years…My money’s on Davis in San Fran…
Ogletree is the man...
I am going to make another prediction
KO has just begun…we are gonna see some big things from this kid
Here is his new nickname…
TD Ogletree or TD Tree
I’m gonna get drunk tonight on some KO Koolaid…7 days till the BEATINGS begin
Go Boys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sailor Jerry is the non waterd down version of
Captian Morgan and its cheeper, I sell alcohol as a part time job at nights at my brother n laws liqueur store.
I’m not joking it is the watered down version.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't wanna jinx them
But I feel good about the TB game.
he is rich and chocolaty...
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 6, 2009 12:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Here we are its all almost done
After, the shoot gun draft, TC surprises, and injuries-the this years team doesn’t look much different on the outside. Wonder if the inside is better?
+1
You’d think a 4-3 D like Philly could use him since they lost Stewart
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
MLBs in Philly's D
Jeremiah Trotter — 250 lbs.
Stewart Bradley — 255 lbs.
Zach Thomas — 227 lbs.
Philly’s scheme requires the MLB to take on and stuff centers.
Zach Thomas has never played and could never play in that kind of scheme.
12 draft picks
3 cut..one 5th rd and 2 7th rd choices…3 others on ir..Those 3 would have made this team…So 9 out of 12 is not bad…Time will tell how these rooks pan out…
True, 9 of 12 is not bad.
Those 3 IR guys are all learning/developmental types. Hell, BWilliams and Hodge are learning all new positions. They could all benefit from being reshirted.
Manny and the Cinci guys could even make the PS. That would kinda make it 12 of 12 rooks to, at least, be committed to the team. Not too shabby.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope they can sign Manny Johnson to the PS
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
It's likely he'll go to the PS...but I really wasn't impressed with his game.
His game really isn’t polished…he had no clue where his feet were on several sideline throws…
I'm glad...
That Ogletree made the 53, but how did Proctor avoid being cut? I hope some of your guys are right about claiming someone from the waivers who is better than him.
~Texas Massacre '09~
I'm ready to suit up in Proctor's place
I’ll take $400,000+ to get out of the way of defensive linemen. Hell, I might try to cut their knees out for that kind of money.
Saivii
Making the team by default.. Man, I wish there was a way we could upgrade that position.
I am glad to see the Stanback experiment end, I wish him well, but it wasn’t happening in Dallas.
Ogletree just understands the WR position.
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prior to the Vikings game
Stanback when asked about the importance of the game and to his future with the team said it was just another game to him and against scrubs he failed to shine so very glad to see him gone.
yes peace out..
He is just an athlete at this time..
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Tennessee could use Stanback
they desperately need a kickoff returner and special teams 5th receiver, He would fit here.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
didn't they bring in Matt Jones last week
If he signs anywhere, it will probably after week one when his contract isn’t guaranteed
yes
but, that guy is china doll. I agree though he fits..
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We need a NT upgrade
I hope they are scouring the waver
by Conan the Cimmerian on Sep 6, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Vance Walker out of Ga. Tech was cut by Atlanta.
He’s 6’2, 300 lbs. Don’t know much else except his 40 time was abysmally slow, but how fast does a NT need to run?
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
At least 4.2s.....
Joking.
I don’t know, I bet they will take a look at him. He definitly fits the size requirements.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 6, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I love Vance Walker. He was a great player at GT and made that defense function well last year. In fact, I would say his loss will be the toughest to replace for GT this year since in yesterday’s game, our DTs were getting minimal push and allowing our LBs to sometimes be swallowed up by the O-Line of Jackson State. The only problem is that he has always played in a 4-3 and would take some time to adjust. All in all though, I think he could do a pretty good job.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 6, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
can we get another shot at Oglesby?
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He's been released
So has Jack Ikegwuonu, for those draftniks who remember him from the 2008 draft.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
e had trouble with the law and had a major knee injury
cowboys might need to do homework on him if they think of signing him, had him rated as a early second rounder during that draft.
as Bill used to say
you were drafted where you were drafted for a reason.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
drafted lower because of a serious knee injury
wouldn’t help you that year, a stash player, trouble came last year if I remember correctly
My thouhgts on the cut are
1) I’m surprised Stanback was cut, I know, I know, Ogletree was the better player I’m still surprised. I must admit I’m glad the coaches are taking the best player.
2) 10 O-linemen is a lot. I’m sure there is some move going on here, Wonder what it is.
3) Watkins deserves to be on the team, just my opinion and I must admit I did not watch him like I did others.
4) Do not like our OLB situation.
5) I like all 5 wide outs, Romo is going to love this group and seems to have a rapport with all of them now.
Why because everybody else are All Pros?
Were do you get that Crayton and Hurd are heads and shoulders above any other receiver who can run good routes and have reliable hands?
Austin has not proven that his hands are reliable, or even that he can stay healthy. I think, until he can get on the field consistently he is Stanback!
when have I ever said Crayton, Hurd or Austin are all pros
in fact I’ve said they are at most, number three receivers at best. The fact is receiver is the second toughest position to learn after quarterback. The cowboys will be in two tightends packages 50% or more, and you can only dress 45 on gameday, so it’s a numbers game, and Olgetree is caught up in that…He’s not going to see significant time in this offensive thie year.
Did you notice how little we ran the two tight end set
in the preseason? We were in in the I most all of the preseason.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
don't go by vanilla preseason football, it means nothing
Teams are not showing what they are going to run during the season
Wrong
How often did the Fins run the wildcat last preseason? Coaches never run all of their formations in preseason, as it is very important to not show everything to opposing coaches. I fully believe we will be running a lot of two TE sets, especially with Phillips keeping his roster spot. I don’t expect it to be 50% like Deke said, but around 25%-30% is certainly realistic.
I did not say that clearly
i understand that we are not going to run the i much and we will be running the two tight end more.
i was merely pointing out how irrelevant the preseason is. You agree by disagreeing. I think?
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
That was just a little sarcasm holmes,
to just emphasise the mediocrity of our WRs. Now, I’m not saying that they won’t be good enough given our other play makers, but do you ignore a talented player who MIGHT actually be better than a vet for the sole reason he is a rookie?
No biggy, I agree with you about our receivers
Just don’t see Olgetree making a big impact this year, but I do think he has a bright future. liked the pickup from day one, I think Goose had him as a top five undrafted free agent signing.
I think Ogletree would make a nice slot WR.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
Isn’t the slot dude suppose to be a quick WR? Not necessarily the fastest, not that he isn’t faster than Crayton or Hurd. He’s got a 4.3 something recorded time, but I really haven’t read anything that mentions his speed coming out of camp.
i think we will see more and more of ogletree because..
Austin seems to play uninspired ball, in fact I’m not impressed with him at all..hurd looks much more improved and motivated..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 6, 2009 1:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I know I heard Wade say they were going to install plays just for
Austin. I didn’t hear him say that about Stanback.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya, and the play wwill be:
X counter trainers table, stationary bike fly, ice tub counter on 2
Jinx, Stinx and Kitchen Sinx
My name is not the one associated with bad Karma. My name is associated with bad spelling!
knees, you get any funnier and I might need to make you my next cat :)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
me to, and i think your comment was more whitty than sarcastic so you get points from me..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 6, 2009 1:06 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with Deke
Even though I think Ogletree probably IS better than Hurd and Austin RIGHT NOW, our coaches don’t believe in shaking up comfortable situations. That’s why Jenkins is still in the mix as a “starter”. They also don’t believe in using rookies. That’s why we used Felix so sparingly before his injury last year.
I'm not so sure I buy this theory...
I think Felix being used sparingly was more a function of how much the Cowboys liked Barber. Felix was (still is) learning his blocking responsibilities, which also factored into the equation.
If Ogletree continues to impress (regularly getting separation from Clements does not go unnoticed by the coaches), he’ll start to see time this year, regardless of injuries.
Competition isn’t a bad thing among the receivers. I just don’t buy this theory that the coaches add psychology or any other extraneous factors to their depth-chart decisions. The only sacred position I can see is QB, where consistency among the entire offense factors into the mix.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Ogletree seems great
but he proved Friday night that he still doesn’t block as well as Hurd and Austin. That will be the only thing that holds him back. He has proven if you put him out there and throw him the ball he’ll catch it. Something Austin still hasn’t proven. I think Austin is going to be more of a situational receiver than an every down receiver. When they go three wide, the play call will dictate whether Hurd or Austin get on the field. I’d love to see Ogletree out there right now though. Really, any way you play it, I think we’ll be fine with the five guys we have.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
I see what you're saying, Jimmy.
I would never expect Wade to start as 12th-round draft pick at CB like you did back in the day.
Sometimes, you just gotta have faith and throw them out there.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 6, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
It could happen
Hurd and Austin have to prove they can stay healthy.. I really like our WR position if Roy really is healthy..
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I hope you guys are right but
i just feel its way to early to be saying some of this stuff. Right now hes the fifth best reciever on the team, he had a good game against guys who will be working at home depot tomorrow.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a little prediction
You have a little foresight.. I like the guys ahead of him too..
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,however;
he was consistent all of camp and the preseason so I think that shows good for him.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
The 49ers Clements has a sponsorship contract with Home Depot?
Clements is legit… Ogletree was beating him… that speaks volumes.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Same is true for Austin and Hurd
They beat Home depot workers in the preseason and that’s why they are here. They haven’t done anything in the regular season in the 3 yrs they’ve been here.
Simply not true
While of course you’d like to see more, Austin was looking VERY good last year before the injury. These are young WRs that have been buried on the depth cart… give ’em a chance.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I doubt he even dresses for games this year
can’t see the cowboys taking five receivers when they run two tightends so much and have to carry two kickers
if he doesn't dress
that means ROY, Miles, Patrick, and Sam all stayed healthy.. Ill take it.
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+1
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
ha..good one...i'll take that bet and say he at least wears a jock strap..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 6, 2009 1:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My prediction is he'll be leaving a few of the opponents' jock straps in his dust.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
LOL!
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 6, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
something about this kids play that screams stud
he gets very wide open…anyway I agree he will be # maybe #2
What I like is every guy currently in front of him will be pushing to save their spot
Ogletree will keep them all pushing to hold him off
thats a great thing for us
by Simon Potter on Sep 6, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
excellent point ... the competition here can only help
With the emergence of Ogletree (granted, I’m judging ONLY one game vs 49ers), suddenly this WR group looks so much more capable.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I"m interested to see what CuJo has at OLB when he's healthy.
Of course he’ll be making the transition too. . .
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Me neither Norm....i see us looking around the league for someone...That OLB depth is looking very vulnerable
Ware and Spencer can NOT get injured, or even miss too many plays..
Does anybody know the process of signing cut players
how long before we start seeing signings?
I don't know i come here to get my info
I will look at other sites to see but that rookie center in Green bay looked really good but I don’t know if they cut him. I don’t know his name either.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Bernard Polard
Chiefs cut him, and he plays Safety. and we need backups badly at that position
by Alexcomestokill on Sep 6, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Worth a look for sure
has he been injured? He looks to be a solid ST player. He blocked 3 punts his rookie year.. not bad..
LOL...The dude "dancin' the PacMan special"...quite athletic though for sure....
Never figured out how a man can do a split….ouch..
anytime now for 24 hours
some agents will wait to see what kind of deal they can get for their player if multiple teams are vying for their client, in 24 hours, then teams can sign players that clear waivers that qualify for the practice squad.
clear waivers
does that mean all teams bid on the players services or what?
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
there is some sort of waiver order based on record or something
I’m sure Detroit gets first dibs
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 5, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
ogletree just has a nack of getting open
Sometimes it just take 1-2 games of watching a player too see he just has the “it” factor..ogletree has thatfor sure…He willmake this current rookie class look thatmuch better
my buddy said he got hurt is that correct?
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What's up with helmets
They seem way too loose. Roy’s keeps popping off (of course buckling his chinstrap would help). But we’ve had several instances this summer (and last season if memory serves) of helmets popping off of players. What happened to Ogletree simply should never happen if the helmet fits properly. Even with extreme force and a little looseness, the helmet should come down on the bridge of your nose. How loose does a helmet have to me to come down on your eyebrow?
It's especially important for WRs who are often in position for blindside hits.
They pumping those things up on the sidelines?
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 6, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
WR is such a difficult position to predict who is going to have success, as once you hit the NFL, it isn’t all about who is the best athlete anymore. I cannot think of a position where the “bust” rate is higher than WR, nor where the potential for mid to late or even undrafted WR’s become top level WR. Steve Smith, Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall, T.O., Colston. I don’t think Ogletree will ever be as good as them, but easily could become number 2 on the team. While I think Crayton is criminally underrated, Ogletree easily could pass Austin and Hurd by the end of this year, and potentially could challenge Crayton next summer for the number 2 spot.
I don't think any of those guys were as obscure or unheralded prospects as some would make them out to be.
Smith=3rd
Jennings=2nd
Marshall=4th
T.O.=3rd
Okay, Colston went undrafted.
Any guy picked in the first 3 rounds is definitely a guy you fully expect to become a starter. My other point is certain players that get selected in that 2nd-4th range probably have some extenuating circumstances that cause them to be picked later than they otherwise might have been. In these guys cases, none of them played at a a big school except Steve Smith; who attended Utah and I believe that was when they ran some variation of the option attack as their base offense.
I’ll say it again: the whole concept of Jerry only ever “gambling” on a receiver in the 4th round to scoop up some project (Stanback, Skyler) stinks. Of course, the “wide receiver=bust” wisenheimers would actually claim this boosts their case against picking a receiver in the first three rounds. Baloney. Stanback was always a raw project and Skyler never had a big season for LSU.
Anyone watching the BYU at OKLA game at the new stadium
is it me and my old eyes or is the college field they have laid down a lighter shade of green than the pro field they use for cowboy games.
Deke needs a new TV!
Should we start a fund?
I just got a pioneer 60 inch Kuro plasma six month's ago
maybe I need glasses or maybe another drink….I’m going for a drink and see if that makes a differece
here we go
i was hoping for some people to start with the who’w who of the scrubs,
thanks quincy
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
um, what else are we supposed to be talking about right now?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
you know there will be more wheeling and dealing this week
Rosters are hardly set, anyone from 49-53 on their roster must worried that their job is up in the air right now
could you imagine if we had done just that
this board would have turned upside down!
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Lot of teams are holding onto players that they believe they can flip for draft picks,,,look at te Giants...
7 WR’s?…seriously? The next few days should be interesting…I’m cautiously optimistic that our scouting department has done their homework.
The giants are going to release Moss
they don’t want us to grab him. Just my opinion.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
the funny thing is
I think most giants fans think all five of their guys are better than our 1st guy,
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what being a fan is...blind optimism.
On paper, the Giants have a good group of young talented WR’s…but just like our receivers, they haven’t done anything, yet. The case is the same in Philadelphia. Looks good on paper, just no results. so far.
I don’t follow all of the other WR’s in our division with great detail, but I’ve seen enough to say that Moss has not played up to his 2nd round status. He hasn’t done much with his opportunities. I like our guys because they have a good attitude and they work hard.
Actually it's the reverse
he hasn’t had the opportunities that other guys get. Last year he had a grand total of 12 passes thrown towards him and had…12 catches. He just gets hurt cause he’s the size of a tenth grader.
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Homer: Explain how!
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by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 5, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I was more referring to the fact that he has played 29 NFL games with only 38 receptions. Again, based
on the 2nd round pick, that’s way under performing…Great players make their own opportunities…it would seem obvious that he hasn’t gotten open, because I don’t think that Eli is avoiding throwing to him…
Even the Redskins expect to have good young receivers
with their two 2nd round WR’s Thomas & Kelly and their 2nd round TE Davis
I liked Kelly and was really hoping we'd grab him
Looks like he should have a decent 2nd year, hopefully just not against us
Sinorice Moss has been snake bit in his brief NFL career to this point
I’m a longtime Canes fan, and he was so productive when it came to yards after the catch due to his speed.
The problem is that he can’t seem to stay healthy as a pro.
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Wish he was at the Ok. St. game!
They sure look to have some big fast WRs
I wish he was in the war room trading Proctor!
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what a "wod is but
I’ve got two of them!
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Al Davis would make sense...except that isn't he out of money having spent the financial infusion he got a few years ago?
Can he even afford league minimum contracts?
Dez Bryant is a stud.
He’ll be a 1st round pick.
I was impressed by the CB Perrish Cox, he’s probably a 2nd or 3rd round pick right now. Bonus, he returns punts.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
Dez will not only be a first round top pick
he’ll go top 10 for sure, maybe even top 5
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Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
LOL
NT chris baker made Broncos roster as an UDFA
i said many times we should have drafted him if only jerry would listen to me
if I remember correctly, weren't you also advocating trading Witten because he was the snitch
Glad Jerry didn’t listen to that advice..Like I said, Ed Werder was right about the problems in the cowboy locker room.. I’ll give you a mulligan on that one..LOL
Interesting players available
Tony Pashos OT
Brain Williams DB
Cut Procter or McQuistan & sign these two. Instant O-line help & DB help.
Brain Williams?
Mentally strong? No running 25 yards out of bounds to draw a penalty? Sounds good to me…
Can you imagine getting fired up over your hometown getting a minor league football franchise... and then they sign Quincy Carter to be QB!!!
I thought they had already traded thier center from last year
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think Preston will be our backup center and Proctor will be cut by the end of the week
atleast, that’s what I’m hoping for
You think they are trying to trade him?
I don’t see why else they’d keep him
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
What would you trade?
No one is going to give anything for a turnside guard/center who did nothing when surrounded by all pro talent. If we want him off the team, we will cut him.
That's my point
I don’t get why he’s still on the roster. They already know how bad he is.
Maybe a team than zone blocks might have a need for a backup C/G.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 5, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
or they are waiting to see who else pops up on the waiver wire
I think they already have a good idea how he plays
The off-season is officially over....
Lets reflect a bit.
Biggest NON-ISSUE of the off-season:
Scandrick and Jenkins. Puh-lease. Only cowboy fans can find a way to bitch about having two very good young CBs on the roster.
Dumbest statement of the off-season: “Proctor’s play was a huge part of our collapse last year.”
Best undrafted FA this off-season: You all know its ogletree
Biggest news: Romo dumps you know who, Tex goes on twelve state drinking spree
Biggest move: Jarhead to california (visits new stadium enroute)
2nd biggest non-issue: A punt hits the scoreboard
Biggest relief: a starting Olineman doesnt go down in the 4th 1/4 of a pre-season game, still cant figure that one out from last year.
Biggest reason for optimism: Felix Jones is healthy
Biggest reason for pessimism: still got to get over that late season meltdown thing
All very good points.
Hope your move went okay.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
Some funny stuff...
Best Line: Tex on multi-state spree !
Agree on the Scandrick/Jenkinds… Ogletree… scoreboard
But …
Proctor WAS a significant part of our O-Line troubles.
And finally: It’s all about how we do in January…
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Not over at all, rosters aren’t close to being finalized. Cowboys will make at least 2-3 more moves, I expect four. Pat McQ and Proctor just won’t cut it, plus possibility of picking up a 6th receiver.
its over bro
bottom of roster moves will continue into the season.
the cowboys are in full on prep for game 1 mode. they will assume a normal regular season “routine” now.
off season is over.
is this not a good thing?
Moving Forward
Both Cincy Boys got axed. I hope the plan is to bring them into the practice squad for developmental training. I hope the plan is to look at the potential vets that were cut by other teams i.e. Cory Ivy or Brian Russell. Also, note that DT Shaun Smith was cut by Detroit (massive body) he can serve on the d-line for depth.
Agree on Smith
While certainly not starting material, the guy is a big body who Wade probably could get good production out of, and at the very least, he is comparable to Bowen/Hatcher, and could potentially play some NT as well.
But if Brian Russell ever sees a star, I will break out in pure rage. Russell was a good player, but he is an utter shell of himself.
Smith is a turd
After cleaning house, why would they bring in a problem child?
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 5, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Brian Russell
Tackles like my grandmother and covers like a miniscule, threadbare blanket full of holes.
I like steak.
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Great thoughts
by Conan the Cimmerian on Sep 6, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes!
I’m happy they cut Stanbeck. Ogletree is going to be really exciting to watch!
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5
lets tap the brakes alittle on Ogletree
yes, he has shown some talent skills in limited action, but lets not make him more than he is right now, and that’s an undrafted rookie receiver, which rarely make a big impact, if not any impact in their first year in the league. Receiver is the second hardest position to learn after Quarterback. He won’t be too exciting to watch THIS year, since he’ll probably be inactive most of the year unless the receivers in front of him get injured.. You can only dress 45 on gameday, and with the cowboys running two tightend packages a great deal, I don’t see Dallas carrying five receivers on gameday, especially now when we are carrying two kickers, the numbers just don’t add up to me.
tap your own brakes
I already cut my brake line. I think Ogltree will be #1 WR, the #1 Safety, and the #2 RT within a month
my wishlist
replace Proctor`s roster spot with OLB Marcus Howard,next replace MacQ with a player with more potential Jamon Meredith and since were at 52 and we have a free spot why not take a flier on Wide receiver Adrian Arrington in case the unthinkable happens and Hurd or Austin actually miss time.
I think Proctor is gone by the end of the week, atleast I hope
If dallas can find a adequate backup right tackle, I’d be happy to see McQ go also, and pick up a corner/safety and a inside linebacker. I’m more concerned about the inside backup linebacker spot than outside.
I agree with your cuts (McQ & Proctor)
But I’d replace them with:
- Tony Pashos (starting OT for Jags)
- Brian Russell (starting FS for Seahawks last 2 years)
- Matt Jones (#1 receiver last year for Jags)
I could see another vet CB signed as well.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I like Pashos
if he wouldn’t restructure his contract, why would he come here as a backup. Jerry isn’t going to give him anymore than the vet minimum. I think he’d like to go where he could push a starter to a backup role.
I’d rather a true corner/safety more than a just a safety.
Matt Jones isn’t getting signed here now after training camp is over. Wouldn’t have minded bringing him in for a look month’s ago when we had that open roster spot. I thought he had a break out year last year and has done everything to change his life. He’s a guy that deserves a second chance unlike, Pac-rat or the locker room Cancer
Waiver claim keeps the salary
If we want Pashos, we’ll pay his salary. If he goes FA, the bidding may go that far anyway and he’s sure to favor a starting opportunity. Still, he’d be a HUGE upgrade over McQ.
I agree about DB, but just don’t see that many decent ones out there. Russell seems to be the best of a pretty bad lot.
I think Matt is still a factor, especially after Week 1. The no-guarantee is a big factor when talking about “problem” players. I agree that he had a breakout season last year and from all accounts has been training hard in FL and really cleaned up his act. Dude is big and fast with decent hands. He’s the best WR still available IMO.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I just assumed he'd clear waivers because of his salary
I’m done with McQ, another guy that seems to have nine lives on this team, Brewsters injury secured his spot on the 53 thus far..I’m hoping for an ungrade at right tackle for this year, just dont’ think jerry will pay Pashos the money he’d want to be just a backup, but you never know, we’re talking about Jerry Jones..
I totally agree Jones deserves a second chance, but I just don't see us being interested
I’ll have to take your word on him turning his life around… I just don’t follow the inside scoop enough to know. What I do know is that the Cowboys remain optimistic about Hurd and Austin. Add in the rising star O-Tree (hmmm… kinda opposite of “TO” … has a certain ring to it… can I take all the credit?) … and I think the Cowboys are quite satisfied with their receiving corps for 2009.
In fact, if O-Tree (Trademark pending) continues to improve, and EITHER Austin or Hurd can take the next step, I’d say we might not be looking for another receiver this spring either.
I don’t see us going after anything but LBs and perhaps an OLine veteran. I think they’re happy with Ball, and Watkins has made a name for himself on special teams. As much as everyone would like to see another decent safety, I don’t expect it. They like Brewster and Free and we just picked up a decent back-up center in Preston. On the defensive side, LB is the glaring weakness. I’d be surprised if we DIDN’T try to sign at least one LB.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
You don't think we're thin at corner
right now, there’s four on the roster and Ball is recovering from a concussion and splits as a safety. I can’t just see taking four corners into games is a good idea at that position. I’d like to get another capable corner this week to fill that last position on the roster or a vet next week.
I may be wrong, but don't we usually dress 4 CBs?
… and isn’t Ball due back this week? I’m working on these assumptions.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
that ivy kid from cleav. seamed to be all over the ball..
In preseason.. I wouldn’t mind the staff taking a look at him..I think he’s a cb….also you can have the credit for o-tree if I can have the credit for saying he’s rich and chocolatey..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 6, 2009 10:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the player we
should take got cut by the raiders.
terdell sands.
A little off subject.
But can we officially say that the Raiders are the worst ran franchise in the league?
They have apparently just gave up a first round pick for Richard Seymour.
Seymour is a beast but… he’s almost 30 and has played in a 3-4 his entire career. I just don’t get a first round pick.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 6, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
If these two franchises weren't so f'n sad, this comment would hilarious!
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Oakland will win some games this year
Maybe even the Lions. I think KC is poised to take up the rear this year. (easy on the combacks. KC is going to get enough of that already.)
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
They'll win some games...
But longterm they are screwed.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 6, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe NOT long term. . .
how old is Al Davis now?
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I think he's around 80...
but 1 alien year = 5 human years, so by earth standards he’s about 400 years old
kc is screwed and poised the take up the rear...
Time to put on my assless chaps and count my 3 dollar bills..
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 6, 2009 10:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I knew I shouldn't have said it.
Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"
Maybe they've come to their senses and figured they don't know how to value first rounders, anyways.
The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 6, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Seymore for a #1 vs. Roy Williams for a 1 and a 3... hmmm....
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 6, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
What is even more annoying about that trade
is that teams don’t mind making New England sustain their dominance.
They gave Moss to NE for a 4th, now they just hand them a 1st. Sure, Seymour is a stud DE but now the Patriots could end up with a high pick in April.
The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 6, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Just consider again what you said:
Moss and a 1st … for Seymour and a 4th
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I could understand if they were in different conferences
but if the Raiders want that gap between them and the league’s best to close, then they shouldn’t set NE up for 2011 while putting their future in jeopardy.
This is how NE gets a guy like Mayo or owns the 2nd round like they did this year.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 6, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
They also happened to have grabbed the sweetest 3rd round pick of this draft
Brandon Tate … mark my words
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
BTW...
The darling that Tex was calling to draft, the sole called “leader of men”, Brian Brohm, was cut from the Packers.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Sep 6, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions
We should pick him up IMMEDIATELY!!!
Can we trade a future draft pick to the Gods of free agency to get him?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
On Watkins
His job was likely safe before the last pre-season game anyway.
There is just nothing behind the starters and ST is thin enough to not cut watkins.
What he did in game 4 of the preseason certainly didnt hurt him either.
Having said all that, if you’re not praying for our starting safeties to remain healthy, you should be. Its sunday anyway, get busy.
seymour to raiders
For 2011 1st round pick
by TONYINCC on Sep 6, 2009 11:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
What I don't get is why
Jason LaConfura lists him as one of the best FAs available when he’s been available all offseason. Were there some contractual issues with the Jags he had to wait on before making these visits or something?
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 6, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that I'm aware of...
he’s free to go to any team. I guessing he won’t sign until after the first game since the team won’t have to guarantee his contract. Heard the Boys and Bears are also interested.
Merriman may be available soon. But I think beating up, choking, or even killing,
females is legal for celebs in California.
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For all those people who criticize our scouting department...they should take a look at Merriman...
do you think we made the right decision going with Ware?
We claim Safety Marvin White from waviers?
Why a saftey and does he disappear when Hmailin comes back, and whay did we keep Watkins? We look short at CB to me
We are short at CB...our 1-3 look great...Ball can play in a pinch...but who's available for the 5th spot? Only guys I see
are washed up guys…but I think they may pick up Oglesby after the season starts so his contract isn’t guaranteed…and Jerry already has Pacman on speed dial in case 2 of our top 3 go down for an extended time…
DC.com has reported....
we’ve claimed Safety Marvin White who was released by the Bengals. He’s a two-year veteran who started 13 games in the last two seasons, had 58 tackles and an interception last year.
Of course, this begs me to wonder… they cut him, but kept Roy Williams…. ugh.
A friend of mine is pretty upset over this
He said White isn’t too bad of a player, and certainly has a higher ceiling than Roy does. Coach Z probably pulled for Roy given their history.
bengals fan here
Just thought you guys may want some insight on Marvin White
He was our 4th round pick 2007 out of TCU. Check out a Youtube video of Marvin White, he has this crazy hit on some dude in college.
But many people thought he was our best cover safety. Hes long, slim, and has good range. He dosnt play as physical as you would like. Has laid big hits, but sometimes you will say, “he could have killed that guy” but he wont or dosnt. He hurt his MCL last season durring the Eagles Bengals tie game. White hurt his knee in the 2nd QTR and finished the game. Tough guy. He’s a solid special teamer, not great, but he can help.
"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"
sounds like Watkins
no wait you said he was accually a good cover safety sorry.
Thanks Pick... gives us a start on this guy.
Great Cover safety? Me likey.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
i didnt say great cover
But he was our best last year, just on physical ability. We signed Chris Crocker after White got hurt and he became our FS
"Ghiaciuc's play was a distraction"
practice squad announced
QB Rudy Carpenter
TE Scott Chandler
FB Julius Crosslin
WR Jesse Holley
WR Manuel Johnson
OG Travis Bright
DE Marcus Dixon
CB Mike Mickens
Psyched to see Mickens cleared waivers...
Though that could change at any time through the season, I hold hope he can stick with the Boys.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I agree hopefully, with a full year of healing and conditioning on that knee
he will be better; But then again maybe he really isn’t all that, just another thing on the endless list of things I just have no clue about.
Based on how he played in the preseason, it would have been a big surprise to have someone put him on their 53 and pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars...
I’m actually surprised DeAngelo Smith got picked up…
None-the-less ... every single one of our 12 picks has an NFL salary right now
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Hey I'm not knocking our draft picks...I have consistently said that our scouting dept is doing a very good job...
Not all picks work out…some guys just can’t play well under the bright lights of the NFL…and they’re especially bright in Dallas.
Alright we were able to keep Holly! WOW!
Just kidding, Really more excited about Bright and his training at center
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