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The VRR: The Cowboys' Regular Season is Right Around the Corner

We have been waiting for this week for a long time. With preseason over and the 53-man roster set, it is time to focus on the regular season.

After missing out on the playoffs last year, it may be difficult not to be curious about what the season has in store for the 2009 version of the Dallas Cowboys. SAEN's Tom Orsborn debates whether or not the Cowboys are a playoff-caliber team.

The Cowboys aren’t the only NFC East team with issues. The Eagles lack a cohesive offensive line, the Giants lack a dynamic receiver, and the Redskins lack a quarterback they can believe in. But only Dallas has a well-earned reputation for folding when it counts most. Another brutal December schedule looms, and there’s no evidence the Cowboys will deal with it in championship fashion.

Let's just take it one game at a time, shall we?

This Sunday, when the Cowboys take on Tampa Bay, the Buccaneers will be starting Byron Leftwich at quarterback. Because the team traded Luke McCown to the Jaguars on Saturday, first-round pick Josh Freeman will be the team's immediate backup to Leftwich.

"We are married to him," Morris said Sunday. "Everything we do around that position, around this team, around this organization, around the Tampa Bay area ... when we clean the street on MacDill, it's going to be around Freeman."

Freeman will be one injury by Leftwich away from taking over the Bucs' offense, even though he showed he needs considerably more experience before he's anywhere near ready to see regular season action.

More VRR after the jump.

Star-divide

Here is how the Bucs' depth chart currently stands.

Vic Carucci lists the Bucs as one of his five teams that have reason to panic.

The defense is very young, and its inexperience has shown during the preseason. One player it needs to be able to count on is cornerback Aqib Talib, but his off-field issues are cause for concern. His most recent incident was an arrest for allegedly assaulting a cab driver.

Rich Gannon weighs in on the preseason firing of coordinators.

"I think it's embarrassment to an organization," Gannon said. "You're supposed to be ready for the opener, and you're making critical changes to your staff. ... A coordinator has to get all the coaches on the same page, and the time isn't there now to do that."

For you number-crunching folks, Larry Acker breaks down the Cowboys' upcoming opponents vs. those from last year. Pretty interesting stuff. Check it out.

When looking at all of the numbers, I come away with a couple of things. First, the Cowboys should be able to put up tons of yards and points this year. With a significant drop in average opponents’ defensive rankings, they should be able to move the ball offensively pretty well. As I said, getting back Felix Jones should help as well. Keeping Romo healthy will be the key. Second, if the Cowboys had a weakness on defense last year, it was rush defense. Obviously, with Ware bringing the heat, the pass rush was ferocious last year. But, the ‘boys could be run on, and they will be facing even better rushing offenses (on average) this year than last. The hardcore Dallas fans will know better if there are any changes that you could expect to see improvements in rush defense, but based on this analysis, it looks like there may be more rush yards given up than last year. Most likely, the Cowboys’ strategy will be to try to get early leads that will take away opponents’ run games. If they can do this, it will help their run defense.

The Cowboys were awarded their waiver claim on S Marvin White, but they had also put in claims for two other players: RB Chauncy Washington and LB Tim Shaw. Both players were released by the Jaguars.

Stephen Hodge is happy to see another Horned Frog on the Dallas roster.

Cowboys rookie linebacker Stephen Hodge sent White a text. That’s how White, who played at TCU, found out he was headed to the Cowboys. "I couldn’t be any happier," White said after arriving in D-FW. "It’s a blessing how God works. This is home, too, so the transition should be much easier for me."

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"He is a headhunter," said Hodge, a sixth-round pick whom the Cowboys placed on injured reserve Saturday. "Everybody tells me I hit hard, but he was probably the hardest hitter at TCU. ... He also has a tremendous work ethic. He just loves playing the game. ... I’m glad we got him."

Could rookie K David Buehler help the Cowboys special teams' coverage units with his shoulder pads?

Dallas took Buehler strictly for kickoffs, with reliable Nick Folk, a former Arizona Wildcat, still handling field goals. Buehler hopes to eventually have both jobs, but for now he's comfortable with a different kind of double duty, kicking off and working with other coverage units.

Dallas would prefer to pack its coverage squads with guys who make a living hitting and tackling and leave its specialist on the sideline, except for his own kickoffs. But it's not that simple.

Several rookies who were expected to contribute primarily on special teams are already hurt. One is out for the year and two more are going to miss the first month. So the luxury of having a kicker who can tackle is suddenly close to being a necessity. It also makes it easier to justify Buehler's spot on the 53-man roster.

Not only are the Patriots taking on the Isaiah Stanback-at-QB project; they have also signed CB DeAngelo Willingham, just recently released by Dallas, to their practice squad.

Apparently, Stanback is more comfortable playing quarterback.

"I tried very hard at receiver," Stanback said. "I busted my butt at receiver and did whatever was asked of me. I think I could do it, but I was never comfortable with it. Quarterback is what I've done my whole life. It's what I'm comfortable with."

Nick Eatman put together a list of former Cowboys recently released.

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by Realist Larry on Sep 7, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Second game of the year better not take their minds off the Tampa game

A loss week one will suck for this team.
New OC, all kinds of problems-needs to be over entering the 4th quarter!

by Realist Larry on Sep 7, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Fifth of Scotch, Magnum of Champagne....

snacks in between… one to finish of the Philly hangover, one to celebrate the start of a GREAT season!

Can you imagine getting fired up over your hometown getting a minor league football franchise... and then they sign Quincy Carter to be QB!!!

by Mikhaili on Sep 7, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

A sixth WR might have been nice, what with Austin still out with a hammy

But if that had meant keeping Stanback, probably wouldn’t have made a difference

by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 7, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

7th Heaven

A young Jessica Biel?
What?

by Realist Larry on Sep 7, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eight times this month Fox has shown the Canoe World Cup

But they still insist on showing it rather than the Cowboys game this week.

Beuhler: "I'm not a kicker, I am a kicker/ Special Teams player."

by aussie_cowboy on Sep 8, 2009 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nine times out of ten

a thread like this gets really hard to continue as you enter double digits

by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 8, 2009 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

15 men on Tampa O-line....

….might stop DWare, but theyre gonna have to make do with 9…

any idea why we started skipping even numbers?

Can you imagine getting fired up over your hometown getting a minor league football franchise... and then they sign Quincy Carter to be QB!!!

by Mikhaili on Sep 8, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

16 is the over/under for how many sacks Ware gets this year.

The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys

by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

This defense better force at least 17 interceptions this year

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 8, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

18-0 Heading into the Super Bowl

where we will get number 19.

Beuhler: "I'm not a kicker, I am a kicker/ Special Teams player."

by aussie_cowboy on Sep 11, 2009 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

If...bite your tongue

Tampa is the first ass kicking we dish out…MANY more to come

We have a few rough edges but we also have some serious talent on both sides of the ball

I count 6 legit game changers on O alone

by Simon Potter on Sep 7, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like your optimism

I like the offense a lot this season, and Wade seems to be ready to let loose on defense now that he has coverage guys in the secondary and a second stout guy at ILB.

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 7, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

they had it goin

Notice the first four posts are first, second, third,and for, pretty cool

by TONYINCC on Sep 7, 2009 3:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

bad, yer really slipping ...

if you notice, it actually says for…th

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Sep 7, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you expect knees to get a pun

based on a spelling???

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 7, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, I get it now

very clever…

Beuhler: "I'm not a kicker, I am a kicker/ Special Teams player."

by aussie_cowboy on Sep 8, 2009 5:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess NO SACKS was possible too.

Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!

by CowboyMan on Sep 16, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's here boys

it’s finally here!! WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!

by sublimezg on Sep 7, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Rush Defense

This scares me . . . we were soft up the middle last year.

by Iowacowboy on Sep 7, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Brooking should help

Igor has looked really solid against the run too, better than Canty imo.

by ChrisRichey on Sep 7, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree as well

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 7, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry, I have, finally, HD now. At least I will when the DTV (he's here now) guy is through. Too bad the Tampa game isn't on here.

I may be going over to Rocklin to catch the game. Let me know if you plan to be there.

Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!

by CowboyMan on Sep 7, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

DirecTV is the best of them, too.

I think they are the only ones that broadcast in 1080p. I have Fios which is awesome in so many ways, but is only 1080i.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 7, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'll get back to you on that

I hadn’t looked ahead-I’ve got HD and the NFL network too-but there’s a lot of 10:00 games and it looks like you’ve already checked and Dallas isn’t on here.

by Realist Larry on Sep 7, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy Cow, FOX thinks we want to watch Cleveland play the

MINNESOTA FAVRE’S!!

aaauuughgh

I hope his leg gets Theismanned

by Realist Larry on Sep 7, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I STILL remember watching that!
Theismanned

Nice!

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Sep 7, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

+99

I actually think sensi, will help as well.

by TONYINCC on Sep 7, 2009 3:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

NFL.com has Dallas as the 12th Best Rushing D last year

There were some formidable teams Dallas shut down last year. I think that Ravens game is tainting our perception of the whole year, and also, when Brad Johnson was our QB our Offense couldn’t stay on the field

by AustonianAggie on Sep 7, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Certain guys ate us up. Mostly big guys.

I think Stephen Jackson ran wild on us, obviously the Bmore guys, Clinton Portis, and Brandon Jacobs. All bigger guys except Portis, who runs big. Hopefully a little more bulk up front with Brookings and Olshansky will help with that.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 7, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

S. Jackson did have a good day against us, but that was more about the defense losing all heart when Romo didn't play...

They knew what we had in Brad Johnson and knew we couldn’t win a shoot out. If you watched the sideline during that game you could see the defense slowly deflating as the game went on…

B. Jacobs isn’t a Cowboy killer…he just has big mouth.

Bmore guys could never duplicate what they did in that final game if their life depended on it. It’s the reason Keith Davis is no longer on this team even though we could use the special teams help. Ken Hamlin missed those tackle but I read somewhere that it was due to the constant compensation for Keith’s deficiencies…

The glaring hole for us last year and 2007 was the safety position…we had to cover that weakness by compensating with other defensive elements. Sensabaugh isn’t a world beater, but it is a huge upgrade to where we were the last 2 seasons. Ken Hamlin is going to have a much better year, our coverages will be more sound, and it may lead to even more sacks.

by CaliFanInTx on Sep 7, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Losing Heart

St. Louis offense averaged less than 13 points a game before they played us, and were even worse afterwards, averaging barely more than 10 a game. The offense gave the defense a 7-0 lead to start the game. The defense promptly let Rams, who had trouble scoring more than one touchdown for month, march right down for two easy touchdowns.

Sorry, but not having Romo was not an issue until we got behind by 21-7. The defense caved in instantly, that’s why we lost. Once we got behind, having Brad Johnson as the quarterback sealed our fate, but the game should never have gotten out of hand in the first quarter. That’s on the defense.

Safety Roy Willliams blew coverage on the first touchdown, and he’s gone, so there’s definitely hope with Sensibaugh taking his place. But blaming Johnson for the loss is more than a little unfair.

by kindablue on Sep 7, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna argue with you about the defense...I've always felt that they were the reason this team never performed

well in December and January. Jackson got more and more yards as the game progressed and that is absolutely on the defense. My point on Romo is that this guy means more to this team than some people give him credit for…for all the crap he gets from the media, this team is drastically different without him. The defense lost all heart when they realized Romo wouldn’t be there to save the day…

There’s nothing unfair about criticizing Johnson’s play in 2008…if we had a bit better play from the backup QB’s we’re likely in the playoffs…

by CaliFanInTx on Sep 7, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is it Keith Davis' fault that Hamlin missed a tackle.

Was he holding his arm or something? Did he do that to Bradie James, also? I have heard that theory too, but I want to know how it is another player’s fault when a guy is in position and misses a tackle.

Whether or not the Ravens could duplicate what they did is irrelevant, because they already did it the first time.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 7, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Almost forgot.

Jacobs had like 7 yards per carry against the Cowboys last year. I don’t like the guy either, but he still ran over and through us. I think him not playing in the second game was a factor in that one, too.

He might not be a Cowboy killer, but for his career, he averages 4.6 yards per carry and 16.8 yards per catch against us, and has 5 TDs in 8 games, including 2005 and 2006 when he had 18 carries in 4 games. I think he’s big, dumb, and ugly, but that doesn’t mean that he hasn’t consistently played well against us and been hard for the Cowboys to bring down.

by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 7, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

One place you can find the splits is here at NFL.com

by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 7, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

well hey now

please don’t use facts to counter califan’s assertion that the cowboys’ rush defense is perfect and brandon jacobs is too scared to play against the Cowboys and only tricks us via the media by “running his mouth” and I suppose not running the football.

by Joey2zs on Sep 7, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Giants are J2Z's favorite team, Carolina is his (current) hometown team...

….And the Cowboys are quite possibly his 3rd favorite team. But that’s okay because while they might only be his 3rd favorite team they’re clearly his most hated team. 21st Century Schizoid Man indeed. Did I mention how much I loathe geeks who root for eight different teams?

As for Jacobs, even if you take out last year’s game where the Cowboys defense put up little resistance AND were on the field way too much, Jacobs still averages a very round and respectable 4.0 YPC in the rest of his games versus them. But has he been a quote en quote Cowboy Killer? No. Portis has had more big games against the Cowboys than any other back in the division and Jacobs isn’t in Westbrook’s league because he doesn’t present the same match-up problems.

by MadMick on Sep 7, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to admit I was a little surprised when I reviewed the stats for Jacobs.

I wish I still had recordings of Giants games for the past 2 seasons. I just don’t remember him dominating the games. Out of the 3 NFC East teams, I always seem to worry less about the Giants, because crazy stuff never happens when we play them. We always seem to play them tough.

by CaliFanInTx on Sep 7, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has his moments.

He was bottled up during the playoff game except for the go-ahead TD run but even that was set up by an 8-yard run by Ahmad Bradshaw on the previous play.

But you’re still right. He didn’t really dominate any of the games except for last year’s 35-14 farce.

by MadMick on Sep 8, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Totally from memory

It seems like he’s hurt a lot. He reminds me of Terry Bradshaw, always getting nicked up and limping off. He’s a punk to me, looks for the smallest guy on the field to run over. I hope someone takes he punk head off.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 8, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jacobs is the only NFL player to imitate the Vlade Divac flop.

That’s a fact; all so he could draw a half-the-distance-to-the-goal personal foul penalty.

by MadMick on Sep 7, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool. I never noticed the Game Splits tab before..

He did have a good game against us last year, but his avg against us the past 2 years haven’t been stellar. Also, Romo has like an incredible QB rating versus the Giants.

by CaliFanInTx on Sep 7, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you want to be QB-STANBACK

Why do you sign with New England?

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by Wmillion on Sep 7, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

well he sure aint starting this year.. not for any team

So who better to learn from than Brady? I think that was smart of him, assuming he actually had other options available

by sublimezg on Sep 7, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who else is behind Brady? I mean seriously...

On a side note, it’s nice to see NE taking some of our players (Stanback and Willingham)…I’ve always felt they were a very good team on talent evaluation, and it gives me additional faith in our scouting department.

by CaliFanInTx on Sep 7, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

why not

the quarterback they had last year running the team hadn’t thrown a pass since high school and he directed them to 11 wins…. Certainly have a better record of developing Quarterbacks than most teams,

by Deke on Sep 7, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ease up on that comment, they developed one great QB in Brady, Cassel is still a wait and see...

Let’s see how he does in KC…Derek Anderson had a pro bowl season 2 years ago and what did he do last year? If you want a team that develops good QBs consistently, then look at Green Bay.

by CaliFanInTx on Sep 7, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Austin not practicing again

Hmmmmm, this dude is starting to remind me of another guy. day or two more and Ogletree will definitely be on the field for us. Who was that who wanted to bet Ogletree wouldn’t see the field this year?

by bad knees on Sep 7, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

whats ailling him

Sheesh, there goes your mazeratti buddy.

by TONYINCC on Sep 7, 2009 3:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

WR better not get hurt or else

they will lose their spot to ogletree

Like I said in other posts

this kids has stepped up to every challenge so far…if he gets playing time i wouldn’t be surprised if he grabs a starting spot before the end of the season

he will push all the WR (but williams)

I wouldn’t get hurt with this kid around

by Simon Potter on Sep 7, 2009 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

+85

I think the kid is for real

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 7, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something to consider

When Hurd and Austin first showed up, you didn’t see Romo on the sidelines talking to them like he does with Ogletree. I think Tony could get this guy moved up the depth chart on an accelerated basis. Heck, we don’t know. Maybe Tony is tired of Austin and Hurd getting nicked like the rest of us. Hurd and Austin were both supposed to be a bigger part of the master plan last year. All I know is if you put Ogletree in the game, you’re going to have a hard time getting him out because he just keeps catching everything you throw at him. He looks like he’s been doing this all his life.

Last night I lay in bed looking up at the stars in the sky and I thought to myself, "where the heck is the ceiling?"

by White Wolf on Sep 7, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Ogletree a lot too, and think if he is given the opportunity he'll seize it.

But don’t forget, when Hurd and Austin were getting started Romo was still carrying a clipboard

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 8, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Their still trying to get started!

Maybe thats to harsh; their still trying to stay running!

by bad knees on Sep 8, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buc's website is reporting,,,,,

Cadillac Williams has been moved to the No. 1 RB on their depth chart.

I’m certainly not buying it… but you never know. I’m sure we’ll see our share of Ward and Graham… at least in the first half when they are still in it.

by Road Warrior on Sep 7, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

3 way rotation

2 series for caddy, 2 for ward, 1 for graham, rinse and repeat seems to be the plan. this just means caddy gets the first 2.

by scottmaui on Sep 7, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice read on the article. I think with a healthy Tony(head wise too) and with a better grasp of the offense and better decision making we should be able to control the clock with the Snap<Crackel<PoP running game that we have. The defense should be well rested to take on the running game better this year.

"Don't bring out the anointing oil just yet"...BP

by NYCBoyz4Life on Sep 7, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Because his head was unhealthy last year?

What does that even mean?

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 7, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

His head wasn't right cause

all the nonsense with T.O.

"Don't bring out the anointing oil just yet"...BP

by NYCBoyz4Life on Sep 7, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whew

thought there some head lice scare…

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

RB Chauncy Washington and other players

(1) I can’t believe OL Procter is still on the squad. They’ll be guaranteeing his contract for the year at $1.5. Man, am I every rooting they cut him.

(2) A claim for RB Chauncy Washington? Seriously? What for? Why carry 4 RBs? I have to think that the Cowboys might have been angling for a trade of Tashard Choice. Otherwise there would be no need for 4th RB on the 53.

(3) Is there really no other NT out there who’s better than Saiivi? He looked serviceable during the pre-season (when I notice him in there), but there were two recently headline DTs int he 320+ lb range released. Not one to unseat Saiivi, the unwanted man for over two years? Really? C’mon now.

by Eagles suck on Sep 8, 2009 1:05 AM CDT reply actions  

(2) A claim for RB Chauncy Washington? Seriously? What for? Why carry 4 RBs? I have to think that the Cowboys might have been angling for a trade of Tashard Choice. Otherwise there would be no need for 4th RB on the 53.

Interesting take. Everytime I’ve brought that up as something that should be considered I get told I’m nuts

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 8, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Special Teams Ace

Remember where DeCamilis came from (Jax).

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson

by Fighter15 on Sep 8, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly, they need to fill the roles of some injured special teams guys.

That’s why they brought in White, too. They need to replace Jason Williams’, special teams role while he’s out injured, and of course White can cover for Michael Hamlin’s safety role while he’s out too.

"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin

by 24Hz on Sep 8, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mickey's "team" story on dc.com

sure makes you feel good. Let’s hope it all means something.

by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 8, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions  

Micky is just a feel good kind of guy

I read his stuff like only because it’s has something to do with the Cowboy’s and rarely anything to do with reality. But then again, I love a happy ending as much as the next person.

by bad knees on Sep 8, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

did someone say happy ending?

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Sep 8, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good luck with that

I’m only blogging at about 30% capacity now. Curses DalaiLuke!

Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.

by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

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