Cowboys Defense -- How Deep is Your Squad?
by Rafael Vela on Sep 8, 2009 11:25 AM CDT
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Last week, I rated the Cowboys offense top to bottom. Today, I turn the focus to the defensive side of the ball.
I spoke to a source in the lull between the mini-camps and training camp, and he told me Wade Phillips talked of nothing else but his defense. The same defense that he turned loose on Jason Garrett's offense since May. The blitzes have come from all directions, in all flavors and sizes.
Wade wants to recapture that gilded five game stretch from the second Washinton game to the five minute mark of the Baltimore game, when his guys were playing at a top five (actually top two) level and were bagging four QBs per game. Can he replicate that this year? Good health in the secondary would give him a good shot.
Defensive Line ('09 vs. '08)
- Jay Ratliff - Jay Ratliff
- Marcus Spears -- Marcus Spears
- Igor Olshansky -- Chris Canty
- Jason Hatcher -- Jason Hatcher
- Stephen Bowen -- Stephen Bowen
- Junior Siavii -- Tank Johnson
Pretty much a pat hand, with the exception of backup nose tackle. A bit surprised that Spears sits second ahead of Canty? Don't be. Canty has a higher peak because he's the better pass rusher. But Spears was the far more consistent player last year, especially against the run. He's in his contract year and should crank it up even more.
Tank Johnson probably rated higher on this list before the '08 season, probably 4th, but his inconsistency put him on the fast track to free agency. He could play very well, (see the Tampa Bay game) or disappear for several game stretches. I still have questions about Siavii, but the looked okay during the fake games when he had the first or second-team DEs around him. Dallas needs 15-20 high-intensity snaps from him this year.
Linebackers
- Demarcus Ware -- Demarcus Ware
- Bradie James -- Bradie James
- Anthony Spencer -- Anthony Spencer
- Keith Brooking -- Zach Thomas
- Bobby Carpenter -- Greg Ellis
- Jason Williams -- Kevin Burnett
- Steve Octavien -- Bobby Carpenter
- Victor Butler -- Justin Rogers
The backups look iffy, especially the 5 and 6 spots. None of the last four show exceptional pass rushing skills. Butler was clearly the better of the two 4th round rookie OLBs in camp, but hit a wall. He still has a lot to learn about technique. He's relying on raw speed at this point. If former Colt Curtis Johnson has some edge rush in him, he'll move up to spot six in a hurry. The Cowboys need Spencer to take the next step as a rusher, because none of the backups appear to have Ellis' eight sacks in them.
The big disappointment is Jason Williams' high ankle sprain. Williams looked lost the first two weeks of camp, then seemed to really pick the pro game up. He started to figure out where to go and began reacting rather than thinking. At that point, his incredible physical skills showed. Williams has amazing speed for a 240 pounder and can drop or rush with equal intensity.
If he can pick up where he left off next month, he'll push Carpenter for the nickel LB spot before the season ends. He's a good bet to challenge Brooking for his ILB spot next season, health permitting.
Brooking is the plus story thus far on this unit. He looks much better suited to the 3-4 than Zach Thomas, who had never played uncovered in his long career. The run defense on inside plays was much better this summer and Brooking is the main reason why. He may have lost the top gear needed to play in space as the weakside LB in a 4-3 but he looks comfortable in the middle of Wade's 3-4. Brookings best seasons for Atlanta came when he played for Phillips in this same scheme. He's older and a bit slower now, but he's still an upgrade over Thomas.
Corners
- Terence Newman -- Terence Newman
- Orlando Scandrick -- Orlando Scandrick
- Mike Jenkins -- Anthony Henry
- Alan Ball -- Pacman Jones
How many of you have missed Anthony Henry the last month? How many of you have thought of Anthony Henry the last month?
Dallas has three outstanding corners. Quick, name the last time that was reality? '93 maybe? But would you rather have Orlando Scandrick or Kenny Gant? Mike Jenkins or Larry Brown?
Scandrick and Jenkins are 2A and 2B, according to the coaches. I have Scandrick in 2 here because he mans the very important slot in the nickel sets. Ball is a step down from the top three, but he proved he can play in a pinch in last year's critical Tampa Bay win. I'm far more confident he'll be active every week than I ever was in the departed Adam Jones. Ball is also the backup free safety.
Safety
- Ken Hamlin -- Ken Hamlin
- Gerald Sensabaugh -- Roy Williams
- Alan Ball -- Keith Davis
- Pat Watkins -- Pat Watkins
- Michael Hamlin -- Courtney Brown
Dallas made a lot of modest investments here and they seem to have paid off. Sensabaugh is a far better cover guy than either of last year's SSs. (I'll ask the question again, how many times have you missed Roy Williams the safety this summer? Keith Davis?)
Ball is a decent backup, a big step from '08, when Williams' early injury meant Dallas didn't have a decent starter at the strong safety. Michael Hamlin sits at five because he's out with a broken wrist. He was running at second team SS while Ball was running behind Ken Hamlin at the free.
There isn't much room for injuries here, but the starting five (your third corner is a starter these days) is much better than any Dallas secondary this decade. These guys are the main reason why I think this defense can improve. Dallas has finally patched the holes it has carried for years at safety. It can cover four across. This means Wade can blitz to his heart's content.
And he will.
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by silverblue5 on Sep 8, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I 2nd
the notion that safety and CB have been upgraded. I really think this is the key to Wade being able to atttack the way he wants to.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd time I've sayed it, need another CB
what another guy ready, who already knows the defense, and doesn’t have to tke 2-3 weeks to learn it.
by bad knees on Sep 8, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th CB a problem?
Crap, I remember when we needed a #1 and #2.
Some people are never satisfied (geez your wives must hate you).
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by Fighter15 on Sep 8, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fifth
of Jack to wash away the memory of Jacques Reeves repeatedly burned by the Giants….
I love the CBs Dallas has now. What an embarrassment of riches.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sixth
sense tells me we have a top 3 D this year.
"Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain
by BlueZombie on Sep 8, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SEVENTH time we pissed off JBell aparently ,haha.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
by stoproyce on Sep 8, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EIGHTH wonder of the world
Cowboy stadium!
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by squidlo97 on Sep 10, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
… we’re a little more improved at safety.
I’m concerned about the LB situation, but I’m hoping that Curtis Johnson makes plays.
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by silverblue5 on Sep 8, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand the LB nerves, but that's about depth, right?
I think the starting LB’s are improved: Ware = Ware and James = James, Spencer = Ellis, and Brooking > Thomas.
I’m really hoping for a quick return by Jason Williams, I want to see what the kid’s got, and I’m looking forward to seeing what Curtis Johnson has, too, when he returns.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Sep 8, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, sorry about that. i meant in terms of depth. mos def.
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by silverblue5 on Sep 8, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little more improved at safety?
I’ll say it again. If Sensabaugh is just league average the secondary takes a huge step forward. Davis and Williams were the worst coverage SS in the NFL last year. Hamlin’s game dropped because he was trying to play his game and cover for them as well.
by Rafael Vela on Sep 8, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
people forget that not only was Willams an exploitable coverage liability, he wasn’t even playing for most of the season. These were barely servicable backups in there starting. How is Sensabaugh NOT a significant upgrade?
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by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sensabaugh - what have we actually seen from him so far?
Apart from that one PI call against Oakland(?) I don’t remember seeing or reading much about Sensabaugh. Is it because his name is so hard to spell? Is no news good news in this case? I’m just baffled right now.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 8, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember
quite a few big hits that caused the WRs to drop the ball on what would have been big gains. Not too many positive things have been said about him but next to nothing negative.. so I’d say thats a positive.
by Static on Sep 8, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I saw him the same zip code as several WRs. You gotta admit, that’s already an improvement!!
I did see some good coverage, and the reports from camp.
The down side was a couple of dumb penalties. He could stop those any time now…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only 1 PI call? I'll take that
I’ve heard it said that if you don’t get noticed at safety it’s usually means your doing your job!
by bad knees on Sep 8, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that one call was a tweener.
If the situation were reversed (Dallas on offense) it would have been a no call. Gar-rone—tee.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Sep 8, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
That stupid personal foul for hitting the receiver in the third row while he was waiting for the Miller Lite vendor. The jury is still out, but we can hope he’ll upgrade the position.
by steelyeyedmissle on Sep 8, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i say "a little more" because i'm superstitious, Raf
i don’t wanna jinx our squad.
::fhrows salt over shoulder::
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by silverblue5 on Sep 8, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My salt is with knowledge
and salt is a resource not a source of superstition, so to speak. Roy Williams the hitter destroyed our backend. When we’re talking about mediocrity improving your team, you just need to fire someone to get better.
by AustonianAggie on Sep 8, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me summarize for you
Addition by subtraction
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 8, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our secondary is looking pretty good
Let’s hope they can establish and maintain a high level of play throughout the entire season. If they can, this defense could be pretty good. I actually took the Cowboys D in my fantasy league since I knew nobody would take them. Maybe it’s the homer in me, but I do see good things to come. Amazingly, fantasy wise, they actually finished 6th in points. I honestly don’t see how they can go down from there considering how few INT’s we got last season. Felix returning some kicks should help too. Not sure we can expect as many sacks, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we lead the league again.
Dare I start Felix as my #2 RB this week against the Bucs? It’s between him, McFadden, or Ward and I ain’t playing Ward vs us. No sir!
by sublimezg on Sep 8, 2009 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
tampa is running a three back rotation
and Ward is the 2nd guy. Same role he played in New York.
I dont’ play fantasy anymore, but if I did, there’s no way I play a T.B. back.
by Rafael Vela on Sep 8, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup, totally agree
Still, I’m holding onto him for at least 4 weeks. It’s not like you can count on Cadillac to stay healthy. Ward may actually be worth something at some point.
by sublimezg on Sep 8, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i had a fantasy draft early and took him
we shall see how he does, but yeah i regret it a bit.
by Becho on Sep 8, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hate for the Cowboys....
to be the team that puts Caddy out for the 3rd time. If they were smart, they’d sit him. Then again, the odds of Tampa being smart are ………
by Road Warrior on Sep 8, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i'm staying away from the Bucs RBs too.
in one of my drafts, i successfully got a Giants fan to draft Derrick Ward — so I could select Frank Gore in one of the earlier rounds.
i didn’t lie.
i basically said that Ward’s probably got a shot at a 1,000-yard plus season, and he’d be a good back to have.
he surprisingly took da bait.
now i hope i didn’t just jinx myself here.
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by silverblue5 on Sep 8, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just mean
Especially if it’s a money league. Then again, serves him right for not doing his own research.
by sublimezg on Sep 8, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
homers are always the easiest targets ;- )
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by silverblue5 on Sep 8, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fZ&^%ck yeah you start Felix over McFadd!!!!!!
by ManTab on Sep 8, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McFadden is a starter
and Felix isn’t.. I’d go with DMac for a while until you see how The Cowboys play him. Remember last year when he got no touches in a game? Yeah.. I’d wait a few games to see how the coaches play him.
by Static on Sep 8, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think DMac has actually been listed as the starter just yet
I think I heard they will decide by Thurs.
by sublimezg on Sep 8, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right..
but against the Cowboys he was the first RB in the game.. and he did surprisingly well. If he isn’t shown as a starter.. then I’d look at it the same way that we do with Scandrick and Jenkins.. 1A and 1B
by Static on Sep 8, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not true Static
I think you must consider Felix a co starter as he will get almost as many touches throughout the game as MB3.
MB3 should see a lot of action in the 1st and 4th qtrs while Felix will do his damage in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs.
I’d start Felix over McFadden simply because he plays in a much better offense. We will score points, Oakland not so much.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 8, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After that awesome trade
I think we can safely pick them to win the AFC…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I was reading how PO’d Seymour is about getting shipped to Oakland. Little Bill sure is cold hearted. Then again, if you can con a 1st round pick from someone, can’t blame him.
Abusing the elderly is just wrong.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 8, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the league needs to step in
it’s getting out of hand.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 8, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's a PPR league... I'd take McFadden.
by Road Warrior on Sep 8, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
I’d still go with McFaddan. Like the other posters have pointed out, he’ll probably get more touches than Felix this week. But, they both come with a ton of upside. Either can take it to the house on any play.
BTW, the only way I see McFadden not starting this week is if Tom Cable punches him out in a team meeting.
by Road Warrior on Sep 8, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my only thoughts are
McFadden could get 5+ more touches and that can go a long way.
by sublimezg on Sep 8, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tough call
I think as of Week 1 DMC is safer, we know Oakland is going to use him a lot. Dallas talks about Felix having an increased role, but tough to be sure.
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by Wmillion on Sep 8, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I think Garrett has big things planned for #28, very big things.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 8, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he does too
but, Week 1 I trust DMC to get the touches..
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by Wmillion on Sep 8, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and if Garrett doesn’t get both Felix and Barber heavily involved in the offense, he is punching his ticket out of Dallas.
by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 8, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder since tampa is struggling and Giants come up next if
we will tone down our offense and open it up next week. No since of tipping our hat against a team we shouldnt have too.
I say play vanilla this week as long as you can. if we are winning. play conservative. 55 points to make the fans feel vindicated for last years Philly game will feel hollow if we lose to the Giants in week 2.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be pretty careful
underestimating Tampa. I know they have their issues, but if you look past them you may end up losing this one. Too many people already have this as a W but I say proceed cautiously. Remember the Rams!!
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. If we arent getting the job done, then let loose the hounds
I think this has been one of our problems over the past few years. We seem to think we can just show up against teams rebuilding.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas should win this by a couple TD's
I’ll be a little worried if they don’t thrash them. Hopefully the game is out of reach by the 4th Q and they Cowboys can just pound the ball against TB’s undersized defensive line.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 9, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Rams??
you do know Romo didn’t play in that game, right?
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 10, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would put McF in as 2nd RB...
and cement FCat in the flex spot…..
Can you imagine getting fired up over your hometown getting a minor league football franchise... and then they sign Quincy Carter to be QB!!!
by Mikhaili on Sep 8, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my league is
1 QB
1 RB
2 WR
1 Flex
1 TE
1 K
1 DST
by sublimezg on Sep 8, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice write up thanks...
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 8, 2009 11:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Cornerbacks....
I would feel much better if we would have had:
1. Newman
2. Jenkins
2b. Scandrick
4. Pacman Jones
5. Alan Ball
I would much rather have Pacman as a backup than Ball.
by ManTab on Sep 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go
watch his video that he posted after they were sure he was going to the CFL. He shows his true colors and the team that had “put in its due diligence” on him STILL didn’t sign him. I wouldn’t trust Pacman with my burger.. much less as my back-up corner.
by Static on Sep 8, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
It’s about time we went for youth. Pacman was hardly anything special last year. Heck, the Candian League doesn’t even want him. He wasn’t even servicable as a punt returner.
by Road Warrior on Sep 8, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you put any value in that clown Jones?
You notice he’s still unemployed? There’s a reason for that.
by Rafael Vela on Sep 8, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree at the very least Dallas shipped the clown circus
out of town. More than half ended up in the AFC and the last, collecting unemployment. At the highest level you need players who can think, and reliably show up on game day. I for one am happy with a churn and burn personal policy.
Let me remind you, what did west virginia ever win?
by AustonianAggie on Sep 8, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I value his play at CB
When he was with he played at a good level at the CB position (not as a returner). Why should I care to have him as a back up after Newman, Scandrick and Jenkins…..he has the talent over Alan Ball. I simply dont think this team can survive with 4 CB.
by ManTab on Sep 8, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jeez
how many teams in this league have 5 reliable cbs? Thats a little much.
2 years ago, we were probably 1 legit 3rd cb away from completely shutting down the giants in the playoff game.
by foyesboys on Sep 9, 2009 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say pick up Evan Oglesby after Week 1......
DC.com was even saying that we need another DB for depth. Oglesby would be good at depth and he knows our defense.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
He seems like the most obvious solution.
Plus his last name starts with O.
He’d be the 4th: Ogletree, Olshansky, Octavien, Oglesby
We could set a record.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 9, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's funny......
never thought about all the O names
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This'll be great
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by dunkman on Sep 10, 2009 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to say
that having nothing at 5th cb is completely acceptable, but theres no reason to want a guy like pacman. We just need someone that can step in for a little bit.
by foyesboys on Sep 9, 2009 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we are better as far as the starters go
but the defense definitely lost depth. The same could be true for the offense. Injuries will play a huge part this year.
by Becho on Sep 8, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Last year we were all worried
about cornerback depth and then our rookies ended up shining through and at the end we felt like it was a position of strength (before we traded Henry) and so you never know what might happen.. maybe someone will step up.
by Static on Sep 8, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you put that witchin on my team!
Why would you say that about us? Injuries can handicap even the best prepared teams. Maybe, with a little injury luck along the O-line and at LB, we’ll really be able to field consistent units on both sides of the ball.
We’ve got what it takes, Gentlemen. We just gotta do it, teamed with a lil injury luck. And every team in the NFL needs a lil injury luck.
by KaceOFbass on Sep 8, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im going to go alittle off topic
But I’m a fan of wade’s defenses I’m a little worried that if we don’t do real well he may be canned and then we’ll have to start fresh..but if that were to happen I don’t think his ego is to big for him to step back into the d-cordinator role and let someone like cower or shottenhiemer take over the hc job…I know some people are thinking shanahan or even the man with one red ball but I think those 2 would be mistakes…I know its waaayyy to early for thos kind of negativity I just think jj is to quick to pull the trigger on coaches….I like the way they do it in tenn. And even pitt. Let them go through the ups and downs but keep some cohesiveness in the coaching ranks…jmo and sorry for the theadjack…
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by hashishkabob on Sep 8, 2009 12:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
you did change topics
that goes it’s a Defensive topic and it also relates to what Dallas’s DST are worth in the Fantasy Leagues next year!
by bad knees on Sep 8, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too think Wade’s a good defensive coordinator. His defenses generally kick ass and wreak havoc on pass protection schemes,
Hypothetically, if a change is made, this year or, really anytime, I favor a strong defensive head coach and hire a good offensive coordinator. I still think a good defense wins championships and beats a good offense 8 out of ten times when everything is on the line. And we have the makings of a very good one.
Landry was a freak in that he enjoyed dabbling with both but he was a defender at heart. Jimmy coached defense. Belichick came up through defense.
Offense is great. Crowds love TDs. But if the other team can’t score, we can’t lose.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Sep 8, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do think it's interesting..
..that analysts ‘in the know’ keep talking about how the Cowboys are destined for mediocrity because of their lack of depth at key positions…but fail to mention that their were holes in the STARTING defense that were addressed in the offseason that are probably much more important. Plus improvements to the O-line and RB’s due to health.
Don’t get me wrong, I do think depth is important and will probably hurt this team as the season progresses (and potentially in special teams play), but at least at the start of the season they should be much improved on defense from talent acquisition and hopefully at least as good as last year on offense from having a healthy lineup.
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by GhettoBear04 on Sep 8, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep,
Depth at OLB is down. Without question. But you hit it on the head. In the STARTING lineup:
Sensabaugh >>>>> Davis/Williams
Brooking >>> Thomas
Jenkins/Scandrick >> Henry
Olshaky = Canty
by Rafael Vela on Sep 8, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
… I believe that:
Olshansky >>> Canty
If we’re talking about them playing in a 3-4 at DE. The 3 teams that were pursuiting Canty heavily where NYG, Tennesee and Green Bay (2 four-man front teams and a team moving to the 3-4, that should still use a bunch of 4 man fronts), that says a lot about him and how he wasn’t ever a perfect fit on the scheme (strange because he played in a 3-4 in College under Groh)…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Sep 8, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmmm. . . do you remember ol' Shaky's pizza?
Olshaky = Canty
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Sep 8, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that stupid player piano?
After every high school football game. Those were the days…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing about these questions in our depth
is we have hungry players not “projects” with a comfortable situation. We can churn and burn all season and end up with hungry players. Hunger seems to have lacked on the back end of Dallas’ roster until now, all young cuttable players
by AustonianAggie on Sep 8, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but none of these guys are big $$$, sexy pickups like Albert Haynesworth, so
they’re not getting any press. No biggie, so long as they stay healthy and produce.
by Rafael Vela on Sep 8, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And we've all seen how these expensive FA pickups work for Little Danny Boy
by Road Warrior on Sep 8, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Igor and Brooking are the kind of FAs that win you championships
Haynesworth is the kind of FA that will break your cap and your heart.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 8, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's cool.
The Giants and Eagles can have the pre-season glory, I just hope our guys use it as motivation and keep working.
by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 8, 2009 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
How can anyone believe that the losses of their D-Coordinators is acceptable? We’re talking about well paid men, well paid because they contributed a lot. There is a sense where, if we marginalize their contributions, we insult them.
Are we, Dallas fans, in the habit of mocking Jim Johnson or Spagnuolo? If we respect those men, then we must respect them leaving.
by AustonianAggie on Sep 8, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop worrying about what the pundits say
I’m always more comfortable when they’re finding excuses for dallas to lose / be mediocre than when they’re talking them up.
by THEjarhead on Sep 8, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited about Sensabaugh in coverage,
but there’s still a part of me that worries about how he’ll fair vs the run. I hope he proves me wrong. Heck, I hope the front 7 keeps it so we never have to see how good he is vs the run. HAHA
by Mandmeisterx on Sep 8, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is supposed to be a very good tackler
on STs so he should be fine in the run game.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Pat Watkins is supposed to be a very good tackler on ST's?
by Mandmeisterx on Sep 9, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a good tackler but he is also good for a penalty.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As last year's first' Skins game showed, Pat Watkins can be a very reliable 12th man on defense.
The problem is you’re only allowed to play with eleven guys at a time on defense.
by MadMick on Sep 9, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Front 7 pass rush is lacking compared to last year...
will the secondary be counted on to make up for this? If that’s the case, can we leave Sensabaugh or Hamlin on an island?
by Urinal Mint on Sep 8, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What basis are you using to say that the front 7 pass rush is lacking compared to last year? I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m just asking based on what? I’m more concerned about their ability to stop the run. The lack of depth at LB makes them susceptible to opposing O-lines wearing them down over the course of a game. Especially at the beginning of the season when guys are still getting adjusted to playing 4 quarters at full speed.
by Este on Sep 8, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry just re-read your post and it’s seems you’re suggesting a what if not that you’re stating the front 7 is lacking.
by Este on Sep 8, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not that worried about our D, If the Offense can methodically move down the field and manage clock. The D should be fine, I think we need to be a little better against the run though.
"Don't bring out the anointing oil just yet"...BP
by NYCBoyz4Life on Sep 8, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Touchdown Tony get's axed!
The Eagles have released Curtis, the team’s official site reports.
He was let go to make room on the roster following the signing of fellow tight end Alex Smith.
by sublimezg on Sep 8, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we take a look, how's his knees?
"Don't bring out the anointing oil just yet"...BP
by NYCBoyz4Life on Sep 8, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what for?
We really, really don’t need another TE
by sublimezg on Sep 8, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last I looked
We were hip deep in TE talent with Phillips making the cut and Chandler on the PS.
Good to go at TE.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Sep 8, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could I get your home address?
McBriar wants to stop by and discuss this recommendation with you….
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from errand run
walked into a walmart to buy some bottled water, noticed romo and barber jersies on sale, right next to cowboys t-shirts. chargers and raiders stuff was the only other thing they were selling.
ha, in VA it was the same thing only next to skins stuff.
america’s team?
guess so.
by THEjarhead on Sep 8, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
odd u mention that
I think Arizona’s Walmarts must really hate the Cowboys because I almost never see Cowboys stuff there. Then again, it could just be that all the Mexicans buy it all up before I can get to it. The Mexicans sure do love their Cowboys here, and there’s certainly no shortage of them here.
by sublimezg on Sep 8, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Los Vaqueros!
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Sep 8, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing but Cowboys
gear at the Walmart out here in the Texas boondocks. Anybody looking for any other team will be ushered out by security.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Sep 8, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Primos love them some Cowboy's gear
I wish we had more here in KC. That way I could find some good food.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Sep 8, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad i thought it was Kevin Curtis, my brain don't function well come football season, lol
"Don't bring out the anointing oil just yet"...BP
by NYCBoyz4Life on Sep 8, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe it's a lack of brain cells, pick 1.
"Don't bring out the anointing oil just yet"...BP
by NYCBoyz4Life on Sep 8, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
press coverage
What I hope to see is our corners playing alot more press coverage than they were allowed last year.
by angie'sdad on Sep 8, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It sure sounds like Wade
is leaning that way.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the point of it all
that’s why roy williams is gone and sensabaugh is in.
by Joey2zs on Sep 8, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On an Unrelated note...Did anyone hear Emmitt today morning on the radio?
DMN has the link…he apparently said Cowboys are gonna win 7 this year… http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/09/emmitt-smith-realistically-i-think-that.html
by thejanusman on Sep 8, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They are
and then some.
Emmitt strikes me as bitter, but I can’t say why exactly.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ex-Cowboys don't like Roy Williams
I’m not sure why. I agree it was INSANE to sacrifice the first day of the draft for somebody unless he is unquestionably a probowl-caliber receiver in the league. And I worry about the lack of a deep threat. But I don’t think he’s a bad WR. We have a solid offense and with Wade calling the shots, we can have a top-5 – 10 defense.
But it seems everybody is down on us this year (Maybe a dose or realism, or maybe it’s a good thing). Mike & Mike have us at 7-9. Emmit has us at 7-9 and ESPN has us ranked #17 in the league.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 8, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
when I saw Seattle rated ahead of Dallas I thought two things… these guys don’t really study teams and second good – Dallas needs to have no hype or expectations.
I listen to Sirius radion NFL channel and most of those guys are football purists. The take I get is more realistic – very solid, just don’t suffer too many injuries.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call him bitter
I think he just falls into the “dumb as hell” category. He’ll always have a special place in all Cowboys fans hearts, but jeez, people need to stop putting a microphone in his face.
by DoomsdayD75 on Sep 8, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A leopard don't change its stripes
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 8, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emmitt
has the analytical insights of a cedar post. God love him.
Keep doing what you been doing, keep getting what you been getting.
by OskieOskie on Sep 8, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Troy and Michael ...
I suspect a little reverse psychology … Emmitt, not so much. At best, he’s following the crowd.
by GalTex on Sep 8, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Siavii playing 20 plays a game?
So Rat will only be playing 66% of the time? Try 10.
by quincyyyyy on Sep 8, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He may get some plays
when they go to a 4 man front.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean in the nickel and dime?
don’t think so.
by quincyyyyy on Sep 8, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They change up more
than in nickel and dime. They’ll run the 4 man line several times a game for a stretch. Tank and Rat played at the same time a few times.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way off subject here..........
but has anyone discussed the fact that Keon Lattimore was not picked up by anyone? I just find that odd. I thought for sure he would get picked up by someone and also thought if he wasnt he would be brought back to our practice squad. I thought he had a great preseason. Night and day from last year. Just surprises me thats all. Any thoughts from anyone else?
by TARHEEL PAUL on Sep 8, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too much RB talent in the league
I guess. It’s amazing how many good running backs are on the bench… or the street.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 8, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose they are going to use Choice on the scout team.........
as he probably wont get but a handful of reps during the season. I just thought Lattimore earned a spot somewhere if not here.
by TARHEEL PAUL on Sep 8, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that too
he looks like a really good back-up and with some polishing, could really play well for a team.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Lattimore last year
And again this year. I wouldn’t rule out signing him to our PS at some point if another team doesn’t do it first.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 8, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoke screen
As soon as I saw the 52 man roster I knew the plan was to pick up another CB. One let go by a good defensive team like Minnesota or an unemployed veteran. Now that we have signed a ST body in White, I searously see us picking up a veteran after week 1 when the contract will not be guaranteed. Someone like McCallister. We truly do not have a 4 CB in Ball, he is really better at safety. If you bring in a veteran he moves right into the 4th spot. IMO Dallas will do this now rather than later while they are in the driver’s seat. I good savy corner like McCallister who would only play a limited amount of snaps could make a big difference. Now don’t get me wrong I will take any veteran savy corner that still has some tread on the tires.
I also see that Proctor was kept on the roster as trade bait for a team (like Dallas) who needs to get a better back up after their starter(Kosier) went down. What did we give up for Holland last year a 4th rounder?
I didn’t read the post after the roster cut downs so maybe this is an old topic, buts it more interesting than who has who on their Fantasy Team.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Sep 8, 2009 7:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha. I say 'buts'.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Sep 8, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ball is fine as a 4th CB
the problem is if someone gets hurt, then who is the 5th. I think they hope that Mickens develops in practice and can step up. We’ll see.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Ball to, but
I just thought he looked much better at Safety.
While Mickens was constantly getting toasted against second and third team wideouts. It’s going take at least a good year for him to develop.
I would feel better if we pick up someone on Monday or Tuesday.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!
by I'm a Cowboy Babe on Sep 8, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If their is an injury I'd count on someone other than Mickens
Mickens if he comes around, will come around from healing more than developing, and to do so will take time
by AustonianAggie on Sep 8, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas will win the NFC East for these reasons
Philly’s D has no Teeth and every QB they roll out will end up on a stretcher. (Not a whole O line all off season)
The Giants D have no teeth and every WR they roll out will end up as a goat. (Spagnoulo gone, and they only ever won 1 game that counter using their new defensive strategy)
The redskins have no youth or spry wickedness about them. (this is transparent)
Dallas has a D with many teeth and a much better DB arrangement than the previous year. (ie no Roy God Damnit Williams)
Dallas O has more weapons. Marty B and Felix Jones are two death rays to replace the fickle and Venusian Terrel Owens, and no myopic focus on using MBIII
Furthermore we have 3 legit backup OLinemen this year vs last when we had none. (Free most important, Holland, and that Duke fellow, perhaps our draft pick when he returns would be mediocre)
by AustonianAggie on Sep 8, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
9 out 10
dentists choose Dallas
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 8, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those are the 10 members of the Dallas dental association right?
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 8, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For confidentiality reasons
I decline to idenitify them, but yes, there’s a strong possibility that they come from the greater Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area….
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Dallas to miss the playoffs this is the only reason
Jay Ratliff, out for season.
I’ve thought long and hard, and only a failure of strong proportion from our interior run D can hold Dallas back. All other injuries fall back to mediocre. More than one important injury holds too many permutations for me to analyze
by AustonianAggie on Sep 8, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
for an example of such catastrophic failure
see what happened to NE in 2002
by AustonianAggie on Sep 8, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ware is so important to this team
If we lost him, I see us becoming the Chargers of last year – suddenly we don’t get pressure, and everyone everywhere looks bad including the pretty talented secondary we have.
by foyesboys on Sep 9, 2009 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our defense is clearly better this year than it was last year....
in terms of the starting 11, and on paper. We’re a little light on LB depth with our injuries, although if we get Jason Williams back in 3-4 weeks we’ll be better there. But our pass rush should be just as good as it was last year, if not better (I really think Spencer is going to be an upgrade over Grumpy Greg), our run D should be better (with Igor and Brooking taking over for Canty and Thomas), and our secondary play will be exponentially better with the Gimp (Henry) gone, and with Sensei taking over. Having 3 starting quality CBs with elite speed and a SS who won’t fall over while switching to a backpedal is really going to make a difference.
Just think, with all of the injuries and holes we had on D last year, we were a top-10 defense. We should easily be top-5 or better barring any catastrophic injury.
by DannyWhite on Sep 10, 2009 1:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of this
but it’s too subtle for the MSM to catch. Dallas didn’t do anything crazy like Danny-Boy bringing Punkin-Stomper. They just quietly upgraded some positions from outside and inside. Barring major injuries, Wade should be able to employ his full defensive scheme for the first time since he got to Dallas.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 10, 2009 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I want this nickname to stick:
Punkin-Stomper
And I agree that this year the defense is entirely Wade’s (and I think the offense is entirely Garrett’s). Can’t wait to start the season!
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
by 24Hz on Sep 10, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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