NFC East Roundtable
Before the season begins, let's preview the NFC East. Four of the Beast's bloggers here at SB Nation have banded together for a division discussion. Below my predictions, the bloggers for the New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, and Washington Redskins have each provided their own standings and previews for how each team will fare in '09.
My Predictions:
- Cowboys (10-6)
- Eagles (10-6)
- Redskins (9-7)
- Giants (7-9)
Playing the NFC South will push the Beasts to play solid defensive football against some of the most talented offenses in the conference. All should do well against the AFC West, but I don't see any one team dominating the division.
Make the jump for the rest of the predictions.
Losing Spagnuolo to St. Louis will hamper the Giants more than it will help the Rams. Several heartbreaking losses hand the Giants a disappointing season record. Philadelphia will also lack continuity on defense as the loss of Brian Dawkins and defensive coordinator, Jim Johnson, will force the offense to pick up the slack. A late season surge gets them in the playoffs. The Redskins will show improvement and be a pain to the rest of the division, but won't get enough wins to be a contender.
Quietly, the Cowboys work all season on controlling the ball, eliminating mistakes, and playing good defense. They strike quickly when needed, which helps them defeat Philly in Week 17 for the division title.

Ed (Big Blue View, Giants)
- Giants (11-5)
- Eagles (10-6)
- Cowboys (9-7)
- Redskins (7-9)
I have spent the entire off-season listening to 'experts' sing the praises of the Philadelphia Eagles. I know the Eagles are good, but I don't get the media man-crush. Let me remind everyone which team won the Super Bowl in 2007 -- the Giants. Defending NFC East champs? Giants. Considered the best team in the NC most of last season? The Giants.
No, things did not end well for the Giants last season. They wore down defensively last season, but with all the new faces on defense that should not be an issue this time. They should be able to control the line of scrimmage. Offensively, they still have that terrific offensive line and a great running game. Yes, they have a question at wide receiver. They have talent there, however, and the other pieces of this team should give them time to answer the receiver question.
My take: Umm, don't the Cowboys and Redskins play in this division, too? Anyways, somebody has to take the fall here. That's why I picked the Giants to do so. Other than the running game and offensive line, are they really good enough to take the division again? Can Eli get in a groove with his hodgepodge of young receivers? Will all those defensive free agents offset the loss of Spagnuolo?
Too many questions for a team expected to rule the East. Sorry, Giants fans. Your time to shine is over - at least for this season.

Jason (Bleeding Green Nation, Eagles)
- Giants 11-5
- Eagles 9-7
- Dallas 9-7
- Redskins 7-9
I'm not exactly sure which experts Ed has been listening to, but every media outlet and their mother has picked the Giants to not only win the NFC East but the NFC as a whole, despite the fact that it was the Eagles who beat them in their house in the divisional playoffs and made the NFC title game ... that said, I still think the Giants are the best overall team in the division. No doubt that their lack of notable pass catchers makes their offense less scary than in year's past, but I don't buy the talk of their WRs being so bad. I think they're good enough to win with.
Last year I actually picked the Redskins to make the playoffs and be the surprise team of the NFC... They didn't exactly repay that faith. I honestly thought Jason Campbell was ready to "take the next step." He didn't. I think he'll be the same player this year and I think the Redskins will be generally the same team as last year. Not bad, but mediocre.
The Dallas Cowboys have done us the favor of writing their script over the past few years. They'll impress early and get all the national media excited, only to fade in December. I kid, kind of... I do think Dallas is a good team, but I don't really see how they're any better than they were last year. I still see them as a team capable of very high highs, but I think their inability to deal with adversity will still see them reach some low lows. Their running game will still be good, but their passing game will probably regress. I still think their defense will be inconsistent. I still question Wade Phillips as a coach and Tony Romo in big spots.... I find it kind of tough to predict the Cowboys this year. I don't think they're a bad team by any means, I just don't know if I have any confidence in them.
Speaking of scripts... Will we again see the Eagles flatter to deceive early on and be written off as dead only to make an improbable run in December that sees them ending up in the playoffs? It would be a lot easier for me to predict how the Eagles will play this season if I'd actually seen them together at some point this summer. Injuries have kept pro bowlers Brian Westbrook and Shawn Andrews out of the preseason. One of the newest Eagles, pro bowler Jason Peters, was knicked up earlier in the preseason and didn't play a ton. Sheldon Brown hasn't really played in the preseason, neither has Omar Gaither who start at middle linebacker... Kevin Curtis has been knicked up on offense. Starting LG Todd Herremans hasn't played. According to the Eagles, most of all these players will be ready by opening day... but until I actually see them on the field I'll remain skeptical. I think it's a very talented team on paper, but we don't play the games on paper.
My take: Huh. Is Jason trying to do some reverse karma thing here by predicting the Eagles to finish 9-7, two games behind the Giants? The injury bug certainly humbles expectations.
He does bring up a good point, in that this Cowboys team is tough to predict. My shades may be blue, but I see Wade fixing the inconsistency on defense. Last year was last year. I do think, though, that these Eagles will be neck and neck with the Cowboys again this year. To the bitter end!

Ken (Hogs Haven, Redskins)
- Giants (11-5)
- Redskins (10-6)
- Cowboys (9-7)
- Eagles (8-8)
I see the Eagles being the good team that disappoints this season in the NFL. The Eagles simply do not look sound on defense right now. Their recent performance against the hapless Jags leaves me scratching my head. The losses of both Bradley and Jim Johnson (R.I.P.) will be too much to overcome this year. The Cowgirls have all the tools they need this year and by season’s end they should be in position to make the NFC East a 3-playoff team division once again. That assumes that Wade Phillips can get his defense under control. They underachieved last season and the pressure is on him to get the defense playing up to their potential.
As for the Redskins, nobody has them picked to do anything. They are precisely the exact kind of team that sneaks up on the league every year. They have some veteran skill players, and they have a few young players who could be ready to contribute this season in Devin Thomas, Malcolm, Kelly, Fred Davis, and Brian Orakpo. If Jason Campbell plays within himself, the early schedule favors a quick start. It is important to note that nobody is picking the Skins to finish last in the NFC East because they suck. Everybody just thinks that the rest of the teams in the division are very, very strong. This Redskins team is capable of being the surprise in the NFL this year. It happens every year. Coach Jim Zorn is definitely more comfortable and the defense is going to be as strong if not stronger than last year. A homer pick? Maybe. But who besides Falcons’ fans picked them to go to the playoffs last year?
My take: While I picked the Giants to be the fall guys for the CowBOYS success, Ken here has the Skins leapfrogging the Eagles. There is some young talent in Washington and that Haynesworth guy is no joke in the middle. Last season, I was thinking Jason Campbell could take that next step under Zorn's tutelage. But he didn't. Could this be the year he catches on?
Whether or not the Redskins return to the playoffs, they are always a pain for the Cowboys. Scandrick on Moss, anyone?

Summary: In 2006, the Eagles won the division with both the Cowboys and Giants taking the two wild card spots. In 2007, it was the Cowboys taking the division with the Giants and Redskins gobbling up the wild cards. Last season, the Giants were division champions and just the Eagles were there to meet them in the postseason.
The common denominator in the past three seasons here in the East has been the Giants. That could very well be why most seem to think New York will, again, take this division. If they do not, most expect the Eagles to do so; while the Cowboys and Redskins are expected to make up the lower half of the division.
Every NFC East blogger here (other than me) predicts Dallas finishing at 9-7. That wasn't good enough to make the playoffs last year. It's doubtful it will be good enough this year.
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Man Aaron on the Big Blue View you certainly created a big comment thread when they read your prediction of how their team was going to do.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Sep 9, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
The fall of Goliath is on!
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants 7-9!!
I’ll take it! If that won’t stir the nest I don’t know what will.. Nice
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's
valid. They have a ton of question marks.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no offense, but a ton?
I think the wide receiver thing is overblown, but it’s definitely a question mark, so I’ll give you that.
Where else? Eli is what Eli is – his numbers have gotten better each of the past few years (even w/o Plax for half of last season he posted by far his best career numbers) and he’s taken the Giants to the playoffs each year.
The running game is quite possibly the best in the NFL – you know what you’re getting in Brandon Jacobs, and people forget that Ahmad Bradhsaw was actually the leading rusher down the stretch and in the playoffs two years ago and is actually more talented than Derrick Ward.
The defensive line was great last year and now has Osi back plus Canty and Rocky Bernard. The linebackers aren’t great, but they’re adequate, and the secondary is average to above average (depending on how much Ross improves or not). Put it all together and it looks to be one of the better D’s in the league.
I guess losing Steve Spagnuolo is a question mark, I’ll give you that. So that’s 2 question marks for a team that won 12 games last year and won the Super Bowl the year before that. Not a very convincing argument that they’re destined for a 7 win season. Sure, their O-line could get hurt, which would obviously be a big blow to the run game, but that’s true of all 31 other teams in the NFL. The Eagles and Cowboys also have question marks with their receivers and their coaching staffs, and I’d argue more question marks overall.
I just don’t get the feeling that the Giants, who ran away with the division last year, are now this over the hill team. Sure, they played like crap in two games against the Eagles down the stretch, but the Eagles played like crap against the Redskins and the Cowboys played like crap against the Eagles, so what’s the difference?
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense taken.... so, it's just under a ton
You’ve covered many of the questions… but getting back to the depth on the D line. It’s been hit by injuries. Here’s who’s been banged up…. Chris Canty, Rocky Bernard and Osi Umenyiora. And how about Jay Alford tearing his medial collateral ligament? Let me also throw in Kiwanuka who is on a gimpy ankle. So, how’s that depth stacking up now?
Their secondary has always been questionable in my eyes, so I’ll give that a push. But if they can’t get to the QB with regularity, there will be balls flying all over the Swamplands.
On the offensive side they lost their 2 top wideouts. Steve Smith and Hixon are thier starters and Smith has dropped everything in preseason. Counting on Nicks and Manningham? Good luck. And remember a guy named Ward who’s now running in Tampa?
Of course, you’ve got Eli.
Their Offensive Line and kicking game remain a strength, but to think that this team just wins the division on their looks, it’s not happening.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-line injuries
yea, that’s probably my biggest concern going into the season (that and the potential for any injuries on the O-line, but like I said that’s true of every team), but Canty and Bernard are both supposed to be fine by week 2. Losing Alford hurts a little, but they have so many guys that it really isn’t going to have that big of an impact. Robbins, Cofield, Canty, Bernard, Osi, Tuck, and Kiwanuka should be more than enough to make it through the season.
Last year Hixon and Smith were actually the top 2 receivers for the Giants. Toomer was probably the #4 guy, so losing him really doesn’t matter at all. Obviously losing Plax is tough, but, then so is losing Terrell Owens. How worried are you about that? Someone made a post on BBV a few months ago that if you actually look at Eli’s numbers from ALL the games Plax missed or only played one or two series in last year, and not just cherry pick the last 5 games, he was better w/o Plax than he was with him. People forget that Plax was suspended and missed games with injuries early in the season, and the Giants rolled without him.
And the loss of Derrick Ward has me less worried than the loss of backup center Grey Ruegemar (sp?). Ward’s not even good enough to win the starting spot in Tampa – I liked the guy, but he was 100% a product of the Giants O-line. It’s like back in the day when the Broncos would just plug anyone behind their O-line and he’d run for 1,000 yards. Ahmad Bradshaw is a better runner and a better receiver than Ward. The only aspect of Ward’s game that will be missed is his blocking, but with Madison Hedgecock and the Giants O-line, I’m not too worried.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
if wasn’t Plax, to what do you attribute the terrible finish to last season?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plax was part of it
but it was much more b/c the defense wore down completely. Spags burnt them out, which is why I’m not as nervous about losing him as I would have been around week 8 last year. They were leading the league in sacks for much of last season, and then they only got like 3 over the last 6 games. Football outsiders had a pretty good article about it a few months back – if I can find it I’ll post it.
Also, part of the problem with the offense was that the Giants just tried to slide Hixon into Plax’s slot, and obviously Hixon’s not the same player as Plax is. I’d like to think that with a whole offseason to re-write the playbook, Kevin Gilbride was able to draw up a play book that properly utilizes the Giants players. They’ve got a lot of young, unproven talent on their WR corps, and the goal should be to spread the ball around as much as possible until one of the guys separates himself from the pack. But WR is, IMO, the most overrated position in the NFL. The Steelers have won two Super Bowls without elite WR’s, the Patriots won 3, the Ravens won one, the Bucs won one. Really, in the past decade, the only team with elite WR’s to win the Super Bowl was the Colts.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but if your defense falters in the least,
you will wish you had at least one reciever that was elite. As much as I hated Strahan, he was the motor for the Giants defense. When the house was falling in around their heads, he was still picking them up and putting them down. At least in my view.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Sep 9, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that, I definitely don't disagree with
I think Strahan was missed a LOT last year, especially at the end. Not even for his talent, but for his leadership. In a lot of ways, that’s why I’m not sold on the Eagles – I think they’re really underrating the loss of Dawkins, who was very much their Strahan.
Still, I have to have faith that Tuck or Osi will become the leader that Strahan was, much like Strahan did after LT. But I think Tuck has a head start, b/c he actually got to play with Strahan and make a deep playoff run with him, which Strahan never got to do with LT.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has been a most edifying thread, ty
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 9, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If he’s not careful he’ll give trolls a good name…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cj is one fo the fair ones
guy actually tries to discuss instead of antagonize.
by brisulph on Sep 10, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also appeared that Eli
took a beating. Was the O-line worn down as well?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little bit
the biggest loss was actually losing McKenzie for the Cowboys game. Boothe was awful, and could not come close to keeping Ware out of the backfield.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 10, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a rehash of the same old
cliches from the other East bloggers – can’t get it done in December, Wade sucks, can’t deal with adversity, blah, blah, blah. All the stuff that people talk about when they have nothing of football value to say. But it’s fantasy all the same.
This will be a harsh division to play in and it won’t come down to psychological melt-downs or girlfriends or “distractions”. It’ll be about coaching, execution, injuries and a good dose of fortunate and unfortunate bounces of the football.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you know...
I agree, those things are said over and over and over and over again, but this year I’m in that corner too. Year after year I’m pushing the Cowboys saying how good they can be and year after year they collapse in some new and ugly fashion when it really matters. So this year I’m firmly rooted in my “show me” corner. Show me that you can get to the playoffs. show me that you can rally together as a team when it matters. Show me that you can win a playoff game. Talk is cheap, it’s the deed that really matters, so just show me!
I’ll always be a huge fan of the Cowboys, but this year I’ve sold my season tickets for a new set if you know what I mean. The view is definitely different from here.
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add
Show me that you can use your head and not commit penalties or blow an assignment, especially during crucial plays. Hell, show me that alone and we’re a greatly improved team.
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason I'm back on the optimists band-wagon has everything to do with that Philly game...
I mentioned this in another thread, but I can’t imagine a worse finish than the Cowboys had last year. Goodbye to Texas Stadium in embarrassing fashion vs. the Ravens. Then turn around and LAY AN EGG … if you can’t get up for a hated rival, WTF?
Well… as much as we as fans hated last December, you gotta believe the players had it worse. They’ve had the whole season to savor that nasty taste, and I can’t think of a better mind-set. Humble, Hungry, sure they can do better…
In stocks, you like to see a nasty bottom before you buy. The same applies in anything psychological. One example is an alcoholic “hitting bottom” before sobering up. For the Cowboys, I think they are all individually and collectively SICK of hearing how they can’t get it done.
This year it’s gonna be different. The Cowboys will start a new trend. This year they’re gonna peak starting with the Giants game in early December, right on through the final game against the Eagles, and carry that momentum into the Super Bowl.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Sep 9, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Or we can just predict every season based on the previous one. So here are my picks. Pittsburgh and Arizona in the Super Bowl. Forever.
Doink! Makes no sense.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really do have a future, don't I?
I just need Hollywood Hair now…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preach on brother monk!
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Sep 9, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Mets fan
and we all said the exact same thing about moving from Shea to Citi Field after three straight horrific finishes at Shea. This was gonna be our year. Didn’t quite work out that way, unfortunately
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Mets fan too ... unfortunately
I also like the Cubs… seems my “pet cat” theory transcends all sports!
But this reminds me of the quote addressing Dan Quail: “I knew Jack Kennedy, and YOU are no Jack Kennedy…”
The Mets have had some good runs, but please, don’t compare them to America’s Team… as much as I hate the Yankees, they’re a better comparison… all that talent yet nothing to show for 9 years.
- brutha monk :)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Sep 10, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By no means am I playing the role of the pessimist, nor am I the optimist.
This season, you can call me the spectator. This team has a great deal of talent and they have had for many years but talent hasn’t gotten them anywhere. It’s weird, but I kinda feel like a SB win nor a 7-9 season would surprise me. I truly think they are that capable of going either way. To me, it comes down to the mental game. Mental toughness to stay strong and overcome adversity, and mental sharpness to not commit stupid penalties and blow assignments. Show me, show me, show me. I’m already a believer, I know what they are capable of, now it’s your turn Cowboys! SO SHOW ME!
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying that nothing matters
Penalties are a football issue and the Cowboys hurt themselves with them. Lots of things have real impacts. But vague things like “I think so and so is or is not a leader” is tabloid stuff.
I agree, they’ll have to perform on the field. But will the other teams in the division. Last year means exactly zero. Not one good thing (or bad thing) will happen this year because of what happened in Dec or Jan of last year.
If you were a Giants’ fan you’d be ticked at the way they finsihed last year. Where’s all that rah-rah leadership and cohesiveness and “team first” in their loss to Philly? They looked awful.
I don’t accept that the intangibles out-weigh the tangibles. That’s stuff the media and some fans make up after the fact to personalize the blame. It’s no fun blaming mistakes, injuries and lesser talent or talent that didn’t mtach up well against other talent or schedule or luck. So they look to blame people, because it’s satisfying. And it is. I just don’t find it all that relevant.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a great division with loads of talent my main concern is that all four team could beat each other up some bad that the winners of the siv. could limp into the playoffs...
But really when you look at it we all should be glad we’re in such a great div.
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 10, 2009 1:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good way to look at it.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 10, 2009 6:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NFC South is getting to be a brutal place also
with the two divisions playing each other this year, the winner of the West and North could end up with the Home fields. Any one up for going to Green Bay, Minnesota, or Seattle in December? San Francisco and Arizona probably wouldn’t be as cold,but the fans are loud. Come to think of it only Green Bay would not be a dome right? Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
by bad knees on Sep 10, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't call the nfc south "brutal"
Exciting yes. Brutal no. Those defenses, Carolina included, are nowhere CLOSE to as physical as this whole division. Offensively, the Saints and Falcons are pretty darn god.I kinda have my doubts about the panther – thats such an on and off team and i think this is the year Delhomme wears down and a lack of a passing game kills them.
by foyesboys on Sep 10, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's what you get
when reasearch is done by listening to BSPN. Same ole’, same ole’. There isn’t one person on the entire network that has an original thought.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not completely true
I was going through an article where about a dozen different writers made our division predictions, and exactly two guys predicted us winning the division.
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying we're winning the division
I’m just saying the majority of the mainstream media sticks together when it comes to predictions. That way, when they do get something wrong, they quickly follow it with ‘but everyone else got it wrong too’. It never fails.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my prediction
Cowboys 11-5
Giants 10-6
Eagles 9-7
Redskins 8-8
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FINAL 2009 STANDINGS
Cowboys 11-5
Redskins 9-7
Eagles 7-9
Giants 6-10
PUT IT IN THE BOOKS
by thruthicknthin on Sep 9, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to be out of your mind.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Sep 9, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redskins Go 10-6??
It seems stupidity truly does reign in Washington DC.
I sincerely doubt the Giants will go anything below 10-6, in fact I don’t think any team in the NFC East will win more than 10 games. The division games will be as important this year as any season ever.
by GhostofGaryHogeboom on Sep 9, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why not?
they split with us they split with the giants and they swept the eagles. They were the best team in the division by head to head records. Last year, they are better this year for a multitude of reasons. 2nd year in the same offense, Fat Albert, Orakapo, The O-line together for the 2nd year.
No the Redskins are dangerous as anyone else in this division and it would not surprise me to see them right there in the hunt.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 9, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if their young receivers step up
But that applies to every team in the division.
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Washington plays EVERYONE in this division tough. I think they will be very similar to the Giants of 07, not as flashy a team, but they win battles on the lines and get the job done.
I think they beat the Giants week 1. After we beat the Giants week 2, suddenly everyones opinion changes.
by foyesboys on Sep 10, 2009 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we only had the guts....
What I hate about our team is that I never see the intensity on them that I see from the Giants D-Line or the Eagles when they blitz. I just don’t see it…….I see Flozell making stupid penalties when we’re in FG range, I see Roy Williams lost in coverage (boy, am I glad he’s gone) ….
The players that we have, that really play intense football are not vocal leaders….Barber, Witten, Ware and Rattlif……those 4 guys need to step up their leadership and be more vocal…….we need them to. I do believe we have the best QB in the game after Peyton Manning and Felix can really make a difference….we have to be intense and stop the penalties and we will be super!
by ManTab on Sep 9, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you think Romo is better than Brady?
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes...I think he is better than Brady.
He moves better and I guarantee you Brady’s line is bettrer than ours. Rememebr how bad Bledsoe and Johnson looked with these guys?
by ManTab on Sep 9, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then - i want to invite you into my fantasy league...
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO!!!
I want him in mine.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Sep 9, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo vs Brady
Brady is a better FF QB because NE is a pass happy offense and they can protect the QB. Put Brady behind our O-line and he woul’ve broken his head, 2 arms, and both knees last year isntead of just one.
I know I wont win this argument, but I’ll still say what I think.
By the way, I know Brady won superbowls before Moss, but where his numbers better than Romo’s? (I dont know the answer)
by ManTab on Sep 10, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his numbers look very much like Brady's aside from his ridiculous 50 TD season
Completion%, Yrds, TD’s, Rate, they are all very similar.
by sublimezg on Sep 10, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo is throwing to Witten and TO
Brady threw to Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, David Patton, the big wide eyed guy and other garbage. Guys that haven’t even come close to cutting it otherwise in the nfl.
I don’t find the comparison legitimate.
by foyesboys on Sep 10, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sell them guys very short. Most of them had long careers and produced elsewhere.
One of them was talented enough to be the 4th CB. And for the record he wasnt putting up big numbers back then. Just winning with a great D.
I love Brady and its completely unfair to compare him to Romo(maybe Aikman)
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 10, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Brady has done what hes done with garbage wrs who didn’t even come close to making it on other teams with legitmate qbs (seahawks, saints).
Their line is good, I agree, but its not hte best in the league. Like Manning, Brady makes them look somuch better than they are with good, quick decisions. Their offense was based on timing for so long and Brady excelled at it.
His one full year with good/great wrs was 2007, and he only led them to an 18-0 start and the best offense of all time…with a defense that was pretty weak.
I don’t want to go much futher cause I’m a huge fan of Brady and it sounds like you aren’t, but comparing Romo to Brady or Manning, while it may be true this upcoming year as they are both older and have had injury problems recently, Romo doesn’t even come close to them in their prime.
by foyesboys on Sep 10, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry is that you?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Sep 9, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I think Romo is third best in this league, and will cement that spot with how he plays in this year’s Super Bowl… maybe even move up! (Manning’s best days may be behind him)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Sep 9, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't agree
manning is in his prime… he still has the arm, and hes smarter than hes ever been (football wise)
im a huge romo fan, but he still has a year or two before hes in discussion with brady and manning… a few playoff wins will help his cause this year… he is truley unique, a rocket arm, quick release and rare ability to avoid blitzers
hes in the same class as brees though right beneath those two
by CowboysFan4Life on Sep 9, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do agree
romo is the #3 qb in the league
by CowboysFan4Life on Sep 9, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much as it paints me.....
you have to put Rothlisburger ahead of Romo at this point. He did bring his team back to a win in the Super Bowl last year. Before all you haters pounce, just remember, Rothlisburger and Holmes won that game and not their defense. Yes, their defense played great as usual, but their offense won the game when all was said and done. That being said, until Romo wins at least a playoff game, you can’t honestly put him ahead of Rothlisburger.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The game wasn’t over after that TD, Warner had plenty of time to move into scoring range.
Their defense took care of that just like they created a 14 point swing right before halftime.
The Harrison INT was the play of the game, don’t kid yourself.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course you disagree......
so going down and throwing a touchdown in the corner of the end zone is no big deal huh? If you’ll re-read my comment above, I said that Pittsburg’s defense played great as usual, but their offense came through when they had to. Ben could have been sacked on that last drive but he found a way to deliver the ball to Holmes-that was a big play. He made big plays when he had to.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that drive wasn't impressive
but I’m not agreeing that was the entire game either. BTW, I’m sure Romo could have made all the plays Ben did on that drive, he is just as elusive and just as big of a playmaker.
The last 5 or 6 plays, he had all day to throw as well.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really????
“I’m sure Romo could have made all the plays Ben did on that drives”. That is such a ridiculous statement that I won’t even respond.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why, it's absolutely true
Romo is every bit as elusive and good as Ben, Roethlisberger just happens to play on a better team which accounts for his better playoff success.
Don’t tell me you haven’t seen Romo make those type of plays in the last three years because if not, you’re either lying or you didn’t watch a lot of games.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don't lie and yes, I do watch all the games but.....
for you to say that Romo would have made all those plays is silly because (1) he wasn’t in that position to begin with and so you can’t say that he definitely would have made all those plays. Hopefully, he would have but to say unequivocately, absolutely without a shadow of a doubt, is totally ridiculous. (2) Whether you want to admit it or not, Terry, Ben is a very good QB that has won 2 Super Bowls. First SB, he did bad but this past one, he put the team on his back and led the team to the final score. I’m not a Ben lover, but to take that away from him is well………
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first of all I never said unequivocately
absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt, it’s just my opinion. I said I was sure, very big difference. There you go again putting words in my mouth.
BTW, I never ever said Ben isn’t a good qb, I just don’t think he’s an eilte qb just because his team won 2 SBs.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as you're projecting hypotheticals
I declare at least half the QB’s in the league could make all those plays. I’ve seen all of them make those throws from time to time. What a completely ridiculous comment. That was a drive for the ages and I despise the Steelers.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 9, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not necessarily saying that this is 100% how if feel....
but how would you argue with someone who says that Romo would have choked, fumbled, thrown a pick on that last drive?? to assume that Romo would have led the team to a TD in same situation would be a stretch…i mean – last time we saw Romo in that kind of situation – he fumbled a snap for a FG….so its a small body of work to choose from but it would be hard to argue with someone who made that argument
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because it's my opinion
and isn’t that what we’re all touting on this blog??
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is definitely free to voice their opinions
And everyone else is fair to judge them.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 9, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, it's great that everyone's entitled to
opinions. I’m about as opionated as you can get. When I will argue with someone is when they make such blanket statements like they know someone on a personal basis or they know how/what a player is thinking, feeling that it just goes so far over that I can’t help but respond.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its ok to have an opinion...
but if your opinion is to have any credibility – you would think that there would be some factual basis behind it
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, it's such an absurd comment to make that he would have made those same plays
That it gets hard to put together some kind of rational resonse. It’s just in the realm craziness, there’s no basis for it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 9, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
refs gave them
That damn game!!!!
They didn’t call the obvious block in the back on the int return, and didn’t call the celebration in the endzone that would have gave the cards 15 more yards to put the hammer down on overrated roethlesraper.
I am sick of ppl giving that ahole credit. OVERRATED CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
by TONYINCC on Sep 9, 2009 7:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
holy disagree Batman
if you’re going to say that then you definitely have to put Eli ahead of Romo, which is ridiculous imo.
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good question sublimezg.....
stats wise-Romo but Super Bowl wise-Eli. The thing about Rothlesburger is he can play bad for 3 1/2 quarters but he finds a way to pull out a win. He has that kind of moxie like Brees and Brady. As the phrase goes, he seems to have ice in his veins. These are all my opinions which don’t mean a whole lot, but the guy does seem to know how to win when it counts
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My best friend and I go back n forth on this
He says Elis HAS to be considered the better QB since he’s won a SB, whereas I say in a 3 day crash and burn course of QB play, with each getting an equal opportunity, judging with you own eyes, who do u take? Obviously you have to come into this experiment with no previous knowledge of stats or SB wins. IMO anyone who takes Eli in that situation is a blind man.
It’s like people say, QB’s get too much praise when their teams win and too much hate when their team loses.
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli get a grace period after winning a Superbowl, but how long should that really last?
I mean seriously, he puts up very average numbers. Forget about the yards, it’s the efficiency that’s glaring…
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 9, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had O line problems last year didn't he?
I don’t know if those concerns have changed this year.
by bad knees on Sep 10, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
for about 14 of 16 games their oline was completely healthy and played GREAT, they were even pretty good pass blocking.
by foyesboys on Sep 10, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, how can you say Brees has that Moxy
when Brees has won exactly as much as Romo. Squat..
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough......
he is a fighter though. He’s always been the underdog everywhere he has been but he always gets back up again. On a personal note, I like that he has done a lot for the city of New Orleans after the Hurricane. I happen to enjoy his pre-game ritual too. That being said, you are correct. He hasn’t won anymore than Romo, but I like his fiery competitive spirit.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree, he does have some fire to him
But if you want an underdog who fought his way all the way from the bottom, look no further than Romo. Do you need a crash course on how far Romo had to come to become a starter of the NFL’s most high profile team from basically the VERY bottom?
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't mention that to Mickey Spagnola....
If he had his way, Bledslow would still be our QB.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he loves Romo now
Stick to the reporting Mickey!
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He reports?
I thought he just wrote a The Sunny Day Cowboys News and gave snotty sarcastic answers to hand picked E-Mails.
by bad knees on Sep 9, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
he does that too. I like Mickey personally… most of the time anyway
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Mickey too....
just wish he’d lose that Napoleon complex
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs it when they stick him in the opponent's end zone to do sideline reporting.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I love when he has to look Andrea Kramer in the eye.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Her chinhair tickles his nostril.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know....
I remember when the fans were yelling for Romo… and Mickey would keep telling us we don’t know anything about football….. conveniently, he doesn’t recall that. LOL.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the saints' pre-game is siiiicccckkkkk
And of course Brees has moxie, he’s a questionable 6-feet tall and yet is one of the top qb’s in the league.
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Brees has about 2 years experience on him.
Romo is catching up fast.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
There’s a second tier below P Manning and Brady – Rivers, Brees, Romo, and a few others.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would put Brees in the top tier
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 9, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im on record as saying he is the best this year.(cricketts chirping)
The guys on the Saints love him and openingly point to him as the man. He does throw picks but he was playing catch up alot last year. He will throw a head scratcher now and then. I have always likend Romos game to his rather than Farves. Brees and Romo have uncanny accuracy. Farve had(only way to put it now) a gun.
Saints will make the playoffs but will falter then. The D has improved but I feel it will be more TOs as opposed to imposing their will.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His TD/Int ratio was 2:1 last year
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 10, 2009 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think with an improved D he wont have to
force as many balls playing catchup. He makes good decisions but any QB, when playing from behind, has to force a few balls.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 10, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with SHTG
Brees is in the top tier. He’s money. If his team could play some defense and mount any rushing attack they’d be a SB favorite.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 9, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I Pierre is a bit gimpy now
Au Contraire!
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there goes one of my top RB's
hope he gets healthy soon or MR. Defending Champ is gonna be Mr. Tough Luck
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....
and I have him on all 3 of my teams. Ugh. Thank god I have some depth.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Bell is taking over goalline for now, right?
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm hearing. It won't be Reggie.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find it interesting that none of those USC guys are doing
great yet…Reggie,White, and Leinert. Wonder why?
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
White had 15 TD's last year
and I don’t think too many people were expecting him to be a star. I’d say he pretty much is what people thought he would be. Steve Smith has turned into a solid slot receiver. I still haven’t seen enough from Leinart to decide whether he’s a bust. He hasn’t been terrible when he’s been on the field, he’s just been outplayed by Warner.
Bush, there’s just no explanation for. I mean, sure, the Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers comparisons were probably over the top, but he really was awesome in college and probably should be better than he is.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuz Bush is back with Kardashian
White divorced the Smash & Dash tag from CJ
and Leinert has a crush on Mark Sanchez.
The season begins in 3...2...
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarrett. Have they had any highly-drafted defensive players before this recent draft? I can’t seem to recall any names off the top of my head. Their stars are always on offense.
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and he looks more like he did in college and less like he looked in Denver.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bell will take the exact role Pierre was going to have
for at least this first game assuming Pierre doesn’t have a miraculous recovery before Sunday.
Target Bell and Fred Jackson if they are on waivers
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'll go half way on that post.
Bell will certainly take Thomas’ role this week. I fear Jackson. The Bill have no O-line and an new O-coordinator. Yikes.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true but Jackson went off last year on the Pats
for 136 yards in week 17
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know....
but their O-line is completely revamped. And it’s probably safe to say the Buffalo will be playing from behind which means running the ball in the second half will be minimal.
Just my opinion, of course.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea it's a valid point no doubt
I still think he gets at least 10 points in a non ppr
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'll be watching
I think he’s good for 10… maybe a little more. He should get a score.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think with Lee Evans and now Owens it will help open the run some
assuming he can still run and assuming Edwards can actually get them the ball.. Oh man, poor poor T.O.
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder about their line too
that’ll be an interesting thing to watch this season.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees is a 1st tier guy, he's done more than all of them with less!
I’m no Brees fan, but I can’t help but be impressed. If Romo can keep turning the ball over at least once a game then he could make the step up; thats why I never feared the Packers I knew Farve would give us at least one.
by bad knees on Sep 9, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees turns the ball over too you know
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had 4 more int's
and 7 more td’s than P Manning, and 1,000 more yards last year
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 9, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
character counts for something as well....
and Brees is a leader
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you know this how??
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the locker room and practice field where leadership happens?
Cool. Most of us don’t have that kind of access.
I think it would be more accurate to say “From my imagination of what Drew Brees might be like”.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no - i'm actually talking about mental toughness, dealing with adversity, character, how someone carries himself in the public...you know - little things like that
they can be important traits for someone who handles the ball on every offensive possession
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont claim to know Brees personally....
but i can form an opinion by looking at these things – its reasonable
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's really not
Now, if you said “Brees looks taller” or “he appears to throw the ball harder” then I would agree. Those are things that your observation could support. But you are talking about things that you would have to have exceptional personal access to both individuals and see them in a wider variety of situations and then… you still might not be able to compare them because they might have different styles.
I don’t begrudge you your admiration of Brees. I like him. Seems like a good guy and he’s a heck of a football player.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's your proof: http://blog.nola.com/jeffduncan/2009/06/no_doubting_the_new_orleans_sa.html
Through his work ethic, loyalty and personality, he’s earned the trust and respect of his teammates. It’s why they elected him as their NFL Players Association representative and why players routinely use him as a go-between to Payton and the coaching staff.
“He’s a team-first guy, " wide receiver Marques Colston said. “Any time you have a leader like that, you don’t mind putting everything in his hands. We know he’s going to lead us in the right direction.”
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really replying to his
attempt at contrasting with Romo. I think this is what exactly I said:
I don’t begrudge you your admiration of Brees. I like him. Seems like a good guy and he’s a heck of a football player.
But if you heart Brees even more than that, have at it.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And again
Those are all in your mind. You really have no idea about these guys without knowing them and seeing them in action. That’s like thinking Harrison Ford is really brave and heroic because you’ve watched all his movies and follow People Magazine.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you talking about????
you telling me that i cant form an opinion by watching a player and how he has handled himself throughout his career and form an opnion off of that??
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can form anything you like
I’m just stating my opinion that your opinion is based on imagination despite the extra question marks and emphatic statements.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can barely understand Emmitt Smith when he talks...
but do you think that he may have the kind of access that you claim is required to form an intelligent opinion on character???
have you ever heard anyone publicly question Brees the way that Emmitt did?? i dont recall
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he doesn't
in fact, Roy Williams addressed that today in an interview – that Emmitt doesn’t know and is talking out of his a***
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what would you expect him to say??
if he agreed with Emmitt – do you think he would say so?? there’s your answer
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he's lying if he disagrees with you?
Handy stuff.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
never called him a liar...
but i have to throw out his opinion if i know that he wouldn’t be able to tell the truth if he agreed with Emmitt….its pretty simple if you think about it dunkman
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that different than saying he's lying?
And why not throw out Emmitt’s because he’s not on the team any more?
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you mean? (one question mark only)
maybe he’s telling the truth…i dont know…but i can think of a reason why he would lie
if someone asked jerry what’s better – coke or pepsi…do you think he would answer coke?? even if it is what he really thinks?
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
But here’s a tip. If you and your significant other get into it and you say “No honey, it’s not that I think you’re lying, I just don’t believe you” prepare for war. that’s all I’m saying.
I think Williams believes what he is saying – that Emmitt is passing judgment from the outside looking in and has a profit motive. I see his point.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
mr. can’t keep his job in SD is a leader?
by AustonianAggie on Sep 9, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They made a choice there based on what I don't know
but if I remember correctly he had an outstanding season the year before they let him go, traded him or what ever.
by bad knees on Sep 9, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If ya ever listen to Marty Schottenheimer.....
he raves about Brees. That was part of the reason for the fall-out between AJ Smith as well as some of the other stuff that went on. Schottenheimer says that you couldn’t ask for a better person/leader etc. From that, I base my opinion that he’s a pretty good leader since he would have first hand knowledge.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would also reference Sean Payton
who is on record stating that Brees is mentally the toughest QB he has ever been associated with….and that would include Romo
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Wade and Jason and any number of players
say the same about Romo. So why does he get the constant questioning? Personally I think it’s the media market he plays in. Eli, Donovan and Jason catch the same crap.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, there....
who said anything about Romo? I was talking about Brees. Are you Terry?
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think terry has a few ghosts here...
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the best you have?
Someone disagrees with your perspective on Romo and he’s “Terry”?
Persuasive stuff.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha.....
why do some always feel like they have to defend Romo as being the best QB of all time? Living in Austin, I have followed Brees career from Westlake High School, Purdue and then the pros. He’s a class act imo.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well how do you know he's a class act??
have you ever spent any time with him? do you have access to the Saints locker room because this is just like you saying that Harrison Ford is brave because you watched The Fugitive
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In high school, Brees set all kinds of
state records in 5A Football. UT and some of the other schools thought he was too short so he went to Purdue. At Purdue, he set all kinds of records-again too short for the Pros. You never heard anything negative out of his mouth. A real team player-humble. He goes to the Chargers and does very well. Again, AJ Smith, thinks that Rivers will be better than him so he let him leave in FA. Schottenheimer did not want him to leave. The tangibles that I like out of Brees is his competitiveness,fire, and leadership. He reminds me of a championship fighter. Ya keep knocking him down but he keeps getting up for the next punch.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was being sarcastic texstar - sorry
i was taking a page out of dunkman’s book
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I know......
I was just trying to toot my “intelligence” horn.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just clarify one thing...
He did well after three years of doing nothing. There is a reason after all that they invested in Philip Rivers. Its easy to sit here and compliment him because he has done a lot recently to warrant such accolades, but lets not forget exactly how his career started out.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 9, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so which is better doing very very little your 1st 3yrs or riding the bench?
Just a question.
by bad knees on Sep 9, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it depends on the individual....
some guys never can recover after bad start-Joey Harrington. Others, like Troy Aikman-well….
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t comparing so much as clarifying. When talking about Brees’s past as a QB, I think it is at least fair to mention his first three years much in the same way that Tony’s rise is framed within the context of him being an UDFA. I wasn’t saying that one way is better than another because of it. To be clear though, if you put a gun to my head, I will take Tony over Brees.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 9, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees or Tony on 09.09.09
Love it!
The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was addressing the larger thread
Which was comparing vatrious top tier QBs.
And no, Terry is spelled differently. I’ll ask badknees for the details.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bro - because they let him go...he's not a leader??
terry – is that you??
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right - a leader is essential to your success
their persona forces themselves on the franchise and they are too important to lose
by AustonianAggie on Sep 9, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kinda sick of this "lack of leadership" line...
just because you’re not demonstrative, doesn’t make you any less the “leader”…leadership isn’t about being loud, it’s about being inspirational. Do you make your teamates better? Will they follow you even when times are tough?
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 9, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His numbers are almost identical to Romo's
and the biggest criticism of Romo – winning in the playoffs – is only slightly better.
Brees is great. I like his game. But I’ll point out that he flies under the media radar by a good bit, a benefit Eli, Tony, Donovan and Campbell never have and never will get.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does have that cool pregame hoopin' and hollerin' thing going for him.
The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya cool.....
Have you seen the Euless Trinity’s polynesian dance?
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Sounds saucy, though!
The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check it out......
there was a write up in Austin Statesman as well as the DMN. It’s the Euless Trinity High School football team. They played a Utah team over the weekend.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's cool, but they don't know what the heck they're doing.
If you want to see a legit haka (the polynesian tribal war dance), scratch that, if you’re a man, you need to see this:
New Zealand All Blacks Rugby Team Haka
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No throat-slicing motions in the NFL!
The season begins in 3...2...
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys
by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about Manning
Especially considering that he NEVER gets sacked, he’s still got plenty of great years left.
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 wins is pie-in-the-sky dreaming with this schedule
I think 8 wins is a realistic number. The team that pulled up their skirts against Baltimore and Philadelphia in December will be reality until they prove otherwise.
by Urinal Mint on Sep 9, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Taking a stab:
Giants 10 – 6
Eagles 10 – 6
Redskins 9 – 7
Cowboys 8 – 8
by Urinal Mint on Sep 9, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to see the Cowboys doing worse than last year.
If only for getting guys back from injury, they are a MUCH better team. I’d say the over/under for the pokes is about 10.5 wins… meaning 9 or 10 would be on the disappointing end of the spectrum.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
by DalaiLuke on Sep 9, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i completely disagree...
if we play the way we are capable of playing – i think we can reach the halfway point at 7-1 or 6-2….if we can do that – then we have a great shot of going 11-5 or 10-6
after halfway point i would hope to at least split washington, beat oakland and then take 2 out of 3 vs SD/NO/GB
but i guarantee that with those last 5 games we are going to drop a couple and all talk will be over the december swoon…you know its coming
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF they had played up to their potential last season, they could've been 11-5
But they didn’t. They rolled over and gagged in December when teams figured out they weren’t going to run the ball more than 15 times a game.
Perception is reality. The last thing I remember seeing from this team is a head-hanging, finger-pointing display in Philadelphia with their playoff lives squarely in their hands. They didn’t give a damn, either.
They’re a .500 ball club until they create alter perceptions.
by Urinal Mint on Sep 9, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A blanket statement like “They didn’t give a damn” is way too strong. I don’t know if you remember, but it was Bradie James who destroyed some fan’s sign upon getting back to Dallas. That doesn’t sound like a happy person to me.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 9, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might have hit
brain tissue with that stab…
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
felix jones
alone gets us to 10 wins
by CowboysFan4Life on Sep 9, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was one of those guys moaning about not taking Mendenhall over Jones. Man I was such a tool...
Right now, I got so much love for Felix…
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 9, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Jones and I think he is going to be great, and I mean great. But Mendenhall missed almost all year, so the real test for him will be this season, he could still make us regret taking Jones.
by sduncan24 on Sep 10, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was worried about that pick too
not so much now.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 10, 2009 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think its all about barber felix has potental but barber brings the wood...
And anyone who doubts brees in living in la la land the guy is a stud…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 10, 2009 2:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
At first I had the Eagles winning the division
I’m starting to rethink that.. They have serious questions on defense and their OL is a mess right now. I like there offense alot, but i’m not sure if that will be enough to win the division. The Giants offense is going to be shakey if they can’t run the ball. No more Plaxico and i’m not sold on overrated Eli. Like in 2007 the defense is going to have to carry the team to go anywhere. Im not sure we have enough on offense to win the division…..tough call but here is my prediction:
Giants- 10-6
Eagles-10-6
Cowboys- 9-7
Redskins-8-8
by Boyzfan94 on Sep 9, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I more or less agree with your prediction
I think the Giants will win the division and I’m expecting the Boys at 10-6, both making the playoffs. Either the Eagles or the Redskins will make the Wild Card.
I expect the Giants D to dominate this year even w/o Spags, and their running game will do well, I think Bradshaw will fill in well in place of Ward. Their big question mark is obviously the WR’s, but also I think Eli Manning is definitely overrated.
Eli Manning’s QB rating over the last 9 games of last season including their playoff game: 77.7
Over the last 6 games: 69.6
Those same games minus the Week 17 game (when they already locked up the division) 68.3
Uninformed mediots can give Romo grief all they want, and he does warrant criticism for poor decisions and fumbles in those December games, but it’s stupid to simplify it to him choking when the entire team performs below-par and makes mistakes. Manning had a worse rating than Romo last December and the G’s didn’t even suffer as many crucial injuries or stupid drama as us last year.
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"G’s didn’t even suffer as many crucial injuries or stupid drama as us last year."
umm…Plaxico Burress? Antonio Pierce? Osi Umenyiora?
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said not as many, not that they weren't crucial.
I do take back the ‘stupid drama’ part though. How long was Pierce out for?
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he only missed one game
but he might as well have been on IR after the Plax thing – he was brutal. He looked like he aged about 5 years in one week, which leads me to believe it was all the other stuff going on, and hopefully he’ll be ok this year.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he was pretty involved in that case, I'm sure that whole ordeal exhausted him both mentally and physically.
He should be solid this year without that craziness.
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
Cowboys 13 – 3
Eagles 12 – 4
Giants 9 – 7
Redskins 8 – 8
This teams doesn’t wear skirts and the mental problems that plagued it are gone. I think this offense will change what people try to do league wide with 2 TEs and 3 strong RBs, only the Redskins O will be similar. This Dallas team is close to being as good as it was in 2007, probably better for all the lumps they’ve taken. *cross fingers for injuries
Eagles are going to lose some flukey games because of their O-line and losing Brian Dawkins will lead to more deep completions against them. Some people are not impressed by the loss of their D Coordinator but I think he was very effective.
Giants won’t score or move the ball. Or stop the run. Redskins will fumble around like they always do.
by AustonianAggie on Sep 9, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please find me 13 wins against that schedule.
by Urinal Mint on Sep 9, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tampa Bay – WIN
NEW YORK GIANTS – WIN Giants won’t pass, get sacks, or run well
CAROLINA – WIN They’re soft in the middle, delhomme not so hot
Denver - WIN
Kansas City - WIN worst talent in NFL?
ATLANTA - WIN 2nd year player is exposed, 2nd year coach is exposed, ala Sean Payton
SEATTLE - I’m hearing it’s competitive - difficult
Philadelphia -
Green Bay - WIN because of Sack total differences
WASHINGTON -- Challenging
OAKLAND -— WIN
New York Giants -- Challenging
SAN DIEGO - Challenging
New Orleans - WIN run up the score, knock Brees down a lot
Washington - by now Washington is a mess
PHILADELPHIA - not a gimmie
I for one think the NFC South is soft and benifited mightly from playing a very down AFC West last year.
by AustonianAggie on Sep 9, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we win the first three...
We should easily make it to 5-0. The first three games on the road are against very bad teams. NYG and Carolina at home will test our guts…….
From those 5 games I’ll take 4 out of the next 6. We’re supposed to beat Wash at home and Oakland anywhere and then a split between Atlanta, Seattle, Philly, and Green Bay (That’ll be another tough stretch to test our balls!).
By this time we should be 9-2 entering hell part of the season…..lose againts the Giants in NY and then beat San Diego somehow (at home….we should be able to do it)….that’ll be 10-3 and give me one or two of the last three…..
I say our record will be 11-5 or 12-4……..
I hate doing this….let’;s focus on 1-0 for now please!!!!
by ManTab on Sep 9, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me whatever it is your smoking.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Sep 9, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
1. Eagles 10-6
2. Cowboys 9-7
3. Giants 9-7
4. Redskins 7-9
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Sep 9, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys 12-4, best in the NFC again
Two years ago, I predicted 13-3. The reason? Wade took the cuffs off, and the Boys played with abandon.
Last year was torpedoed by Jerry Jones, who made the team a circus by signing Adam Jones and bringing in HBO. Publicity is not always a good thing, Jerry. But what really killed the team was the injuries to Felix Jones, Kyle Kosier, and Tony Romo.
This year JJ learned his lesson and cut the distractions. Wade doubled his training camp practice time. And the team added Keith Brooking and Gerald Sensabaugh to eliminate the weak links on defense.
I see a very solid team on both sides of the ball. The double TE look, with the 3 RBs behind it, should be very good at moving the ball methodically, while still able to strike for chunks of yards. Ball control will in turn keep Wade’s attacking D fresh.
Buehler’s deep KOs should not be underestimated. And the -11 turnover ratio should come back to no worse than zero. Last year, we were 13th in total offense (w/o Romo for 3 games), but 18th in points scored. We were 8th in total defense, but 20th in points allowed. I believe these gaps are the result of terrible kick offs, poor punting, and turnovers. All should show dramatic improvement with Buehler and McBriar back. Felix should also put a spark into our own return game.
It’s a tough road playing the NFC East and NFC South. But the Cowboys get several schedule breaks. No trips to the West Coast. Only 1-2 cold weather games all year — @ NY on Dec 6 and @ Washington around Christmas.
I think we’ll get off to a rocket start. If we can beat the Giants and Atlanta at home — we always beat Carolina in the regular season — a 7-0 start is possible. From there, a 5-4 finish seems reasonable.
As for our NFC East opponents, it is hard to predict. The Giants and Eagles should both suffer from the loss of D coordinators and certain players. A couple of days ago, I saw them as tied, but now I think the Giants will slip the most. Derrick Ward rushed for almost as many yards as Jacobs last season. There’s no way their running game leads the league again. Washington might have the best D in the division. Haynesworth is a load, but the rookie Orakpo is the one to fear. He looked like D Ware getting after the QB. But their offense is still a huge question mark.
If I had to rank them, I’d put the Eagles second, with the Giants and Washington perhaps tied for “last” with no team having a losing record again. But you could almost just pull names out of hat. I do expect the second place NFC East team to make the playoffs, though.
by VAfan on Sep 9, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahmad Bradshaw
is better than Derrick Ward. There’s going to be no dropoff. Ward can’t even start for Tampa, he was entirely a product of the Giants O-line.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Giants' running game will remain a strength
because of the RBs and the line.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until the young recievers prove it.
Giants will be forced to pass. No one is scared of Smith or Hixon. DE’s will pin their ears back and there will be 11 in the box. well maybe only 10 in the box.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Sep 9, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They better be a little scared of Hixon
Don’t underestimate that cat. He hasn’t shown consistency yet but who does when you’re hitting bombs down the field. Show a little respect
by cow_fanatic on Sep 9, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I maybe overstating my case a little, but
you have to admit no DC is losing a lot of sleep worrying over them. Match your best CB against their best Reciever, and you pretty much try to bottle up the run game. That is, until they prove they are a viable threat. They do that, then it is a new ball game.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Sep 9, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
until they prove otherwise, you’re right
by cow_fanatic on Sep 9, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradshaw cannot replace Ward
Ward had the best YPC among Earth, Wind, and Fire. He’s much bigger than Bradshaw. And there’s no way that Bradshaw can add 1,000 yards to the 350 he had.
Giants will still run the ball, and do it well. But they won’t lead the league again in that category.
by VAfan on Sep 9, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward had the best YPC in the NFL last year
and yet he’s not even gonna start for the Bucs. Shouldn’t that tell you something? And Bradshaw was right behind him, at 5.3 YPC, after going for 8.3 YPC as a rookie (think Felix Jones, but add a Super Bowl ring). For his career Bradshaw is at 6.1 YPC – what about that suggests that by picking up the bulk of Ward’s carries, Bradshaw won’t be able to add 1,000 yards?
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants and Cowboys are kind of in the same boat in that regard.
With no one on the other side of Bradshaw he will be targeted. With no one on the other side of Williams, he will be targeted. Until the other threats show something Bradshaw and Williams will be bracketed. The only place we can compensate is with Witten and Bennet. The “Dynamic Duo” will make William’s job easier than what Bradshaw will have to contend with.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Sep 10, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the Tree!
I agree with your point, although Ownes was increasingly becoming less of a threat last season, so worst case, we’ll see a younger version and best case Williams and Romo will make them pay for singling him – maybe not every time, but enough times to make it all work..
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 10, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
THe GIants line is what makes them great. I honestly don’t think Jacobs is all that special – put him behind a line that doesn’t give him 2-3 yards fo going untouched to pick up steam, and hes a very average back, maybe just a goal line specialist.
Ward made nice cuts and ran hard, but he ran a large amount of the time through HUGE holes…most rbs in this league can do that.
I’ve heard danny ware is doing well for them. I remember bradshaw had fumbling problems which is why he didn’t get too much pt.
by foyesboys on Sep 10, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 'Skins guy
When you expect people to take you seriously and you use a snide nickname for one of the teams, don’t be surprised if people don’t take you seriously.
You may be the greatest football mind going, but if you write like a third grader I will ignore you.
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 9, 2009 10:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well personally - i find his justification pretty entertaining
‘nobody has the skins predicted to do anything this year…precisely the kind of team that sneaks up on the league every year’… LOL
what makes this year any different from any other year that Danny has been running the show??
by McLovin9 on Sep 9, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my cynical take
this is the nfl. in the compettive nfce, expect:
cowboys 9-7
giants 8-8
eagles 8-8
redskins 7-9
not quite parity, but it’ll do until parity comes along…
by g8tgod on Sep 9, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing I'd point out is that
There hasn’t been a losing team in the NFC East in at least 2 years
by AustonianAggie on Sep 9, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardcore
The Beast and the South will be beating the tar out of each other.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 9, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guarantee the South will take the worst of the beating. The NFC East has better defenses and offense that, while not as flashy as the South, are experienced and have shown more consistency.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 9, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how I am supposed to process this article...
Is this some sort of excercise in constructive self-criticism? Because I don’t see how I could give any weight to anyone’s opinion given the fact that they all come from biased perspectives.
The predictions are almost “predictable” just by the credentials alone. To no surprise, all panel members rank their teams higher than 3rd.
Am I missing something here?
by rotovibe on Sep 9, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It didn't change my take...
I still want them to just focus on doing what it takes to beat Tampa Bay. Let us worry about the next game next week.
"The approach needs to be about tomorrow’s practice and that’s when you play good in December and January, when you continue that approach every day, every week." Tony Romo
by JimNFW on Sep 9, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take-home message...
In preseason, hope springs eternal. Preseason will not be over until the end of Game 1.
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Sep 9, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoops
Reply to rotovibe
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Sep 9, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup. that is for certain.
I do like the fact that we have a broad community that is willing to intermingle. Sans the irrational homers that troll.
by rotovibe on Sep 9, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously
just cannot wait until Sunday. I’m getting tired of seeing all the negative stuff about the Boys when I wanna read something about them (not here, other sites.) I really wanna see if the Boys comes out and prove everyone wrong, or prove them right.
That, and NFL Sunday Ticket is free on Sunday … get to see the Boys play. Booyah!!
Sugar ... water .... and, of course, purple.
by what_the_crap on Sep 9, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know im gonna get hammered but anyways....here it goes:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4458174
Wasn’t this shmuck the first one at the dominoes table when Try and Michael retired? I never liked Emmit Smith, I never will. He was who he was running behind the moose and the best line in the history of football. Now he has a big mouth as well. He was never a leader either to be critical of Romo. The guy who used to call people out the way “super Emmit” is asking Romo to do, now plays for Buffalo.
To hell with Emmit…..how many yards did he have in Arizona? How many after the line witht the Cowboys wasn’t the same?
by ManTab on Sep 9, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He'd have had more yards with the Cards
had Roy Williams not sent him out with a busted shoulder. In fact, I think that was Roy’s last good hit.
I’m not even going to bother hammering you on the post. I’ll leave that to everyone else.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is an idiot as a commentator, but he was one of the Greatest to ever wear the Star
That game against the Giants in the Meadowlands when he separated his shoulder yet still ran over the Giants D ranks as one of the great performances I have witnessed. The Cowboys were beaten up going into that game, and a win got them a bye in the playoffs so they could heal up. Emmitt was instrumental in getting that win, the team healed up, and the Cowboys won the Super Bowl that year. Emmitt’s performance in that game probably won him the MVP award that year. He was certainly in the mix, but that game probably sealed it. Anybody else remember him running around the field with his arm dangling by his side?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Sep 9, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 Sean.....
He showed a lot of heart in that game. He may not be any good as a commentator but how can anyone call him a “shmuck”? He is/was still one of my all time favorite Cowboys.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that game
was the worst haha. I hated the hell out of Emmit Smith, but how can anyone deny that he was one of the greatest RB’s ever? If I recall correctly, that was the year Emmit sat out the first two games and the Cowboys started 0-2, right? Didn’t they win like 10 straight games when he came back?
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost correct
Cowboys did lose their first 2 games with Emmitt. Got blown out in Washington and came back home to lose a close one with Buffalo (Troy would throw a terrible interception when they were in FG range, which would have tied the game late in the 4th.)
They’d go on to win 7 in a row, then lose 2 in a row (including that infamous Miami Thanksgiving game), then win out the rest of the season.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not only that
but I think he ended up being that years rushing leader too
by sublimezg on Sep 9, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
that’s the most amazing part
by Realist Larry on Sep 9, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emmitt was the greatest back of all time
although he’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More yards, but not the greatest
I am not old enough to have seen him play, but Jim Brown was head and shoulders above his contemporaries. More recently, I’d put Barry Sanders and Walter Payton above Emmitt, but that is it
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Sep 9, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown and Sanders were better runners, not better backs
Both Emmitt and Payton were much better backs than Brown and Sanders, who were one trick ponies.
Brown and Sanders could run the ball better any back who ever played, but their blocking and receiving skills were not that great.
Emmitt was slightly better than Payton as a back IMO.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just looked up Jim Brown's stats and it looks like he had some decent years catching the ball
plus he averaged 5.2 yards a carry which is just sick. If you are averaging that much, no team is going to ask you to block
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Sep 9, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like I said, better runner, inferior back to Emmitt
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Jim Brown average more per reception than Emmitt did
Didn’t catch as many passes, but that may have been a product of the offense
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Sep 9, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course he did
I’m sure he gained a lot of yardage on little swing passes out of the backfield.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what were Emitt's then.....
he didn’t exactly have long passes thrown to him either. Most of his were little dump-offs from Aikman or screen passes.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He caught more and blocked like a stud
I dare you to find tape of Brown blocking…it’s because he never did it.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well they didn't have any other offensive weapons either.....
Bad QB
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also didnt have exotic blitzes. LBs 250 who
runn 4.4 fortys.
Emmitt is the best complete back of alltime. Brown thought he was to good to block.
If Im not mistaken Emmitt 3 World Championships, Brown none, nada goose egg, zilch,blank.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown won a Championship in 1964
and no way was Emmit better than Brown.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emmitt was definitely a better back
but he no way was a better runner.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Brown is an A@@hole. So Im biased.
However,he played at a time when he was bigger than some lineman. Could he have put up those same numbers in todays game. Not likely. Could he have gone uninjured. Not likely.
Could Emmitt produced the same 30 years ago. Whats to stop him.
Emmitt made our line as much as they made him. Not a 1st rounder amoungst them.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown was a man among boys
and was unstoppable in his day, but all he really did was tout the rock and didn’t care about the other responsibilities of playing the position.
That’s why I don’t consider him the best back, only the best runner.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. he would probably be the first to tell you he doesnt block.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is an @sshole
But he was far and away the best back to ever play the game. Period. Smith was an above average back running behind one of the best OL’s of all time for a lot of his career with a HoF QB and WR. Ask 1,000 people who aren’t Cowboy fans who was better Brown or Smith and it’ll come out 90% Brown.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 9, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say at least 750 of those 1,000 non Cowboys fans are part of the group that also hates the Cowboys and everything we stand for. We have more fans than any other team of any of the major sports, Yankees second, and we are also the most hated in professional sports, if memory serves Yankees are also second there.
by sduncan24 on Sep 10, 2009 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolls eyes and shakes head
OK, I’ll play the game. I’ll qualify further, let’s pick 1,000 people who neither love or hate the Cowboys. In that case, I say 95% will choose Brown.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 10, 2009 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as the critera is complete back.
Blocking, rushing, durability, goal line, short yardage, recieving skills, blitz pickup, and ypc.
i truely believe Brown couldnt put up those numbers in todays game. I truely believe Emmitt could if playing in the 60s.
Brown was a Diva.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 10, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is a legitimate point, and why in world would the percentage go up?
by sduncan24 on Sep 10, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your calling Jim Brown and Barry Sanders
“one trick ponies.” Come on Terry. That’s down right insulting and you don’t know what the heck your talking about.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll let him stick to the ponies part.
Maybe he should have said one trick studs?
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Sep 9, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really??
Show me tape of Sanders and Brown blocking and receiving as well as Emmitt because if you can’t, you’re the one that doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take you up on that Terry.....
Besides, Barry Sanders didn’t have anyone else on offense like Emmitt did. Emmitt had a lot more weapons surrounding him than Barry Sanders ever had. In fact, that’s why some say he retired prematurely. He had a horrible QB also.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is no excuse
for being a horrible blocker and receiver.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then check this out......
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that article debates who is better runner, not back
Big, big difference. I always said Sanders was a better runner, no question.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody besides Terry help me out here....
am I totally misunderstanding him, or is Terry contradicting himself? First, you said that Emmitt is the best RB to have ever played the game. Then when I questioned you, you said that Sanders was a better runner but not a better back. Are we not splitting hairs here?
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I may not agree, I think he's being consistent
He sees the RB position as inclusive of running, blocking and catching. A lot like some of us would evaluate a TE – pass catching and blocking. Tony Gonzales may be a better receiver than Witten, but in my view he’s not a better TE.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said dunk
It is a shame some fans don’t know the difference between a runner and a running back.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm not "THE EXPERT" like you Terry-lol
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, for the record......
I’m an Emmitt fan but you can’t really compare him to Barry Sanders or Payton. Emmitt had a wonderful Oline and other great Offensive Weapons. Last time I checked Barry Sanders faced a lot of 8 in the box which Emmitt didn’t. Barry was still able to break one to the house. All I’m saying is have Barry and Emmitt switch teams and then say whose better?
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emmitt is still better
That whole “he played with better talent” argument is just BS IMO.
Fact is Emmitt could run, receive, block collectively much better than Sanders and he did it over a much longer period of time.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he or did he not play with better talent?
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Sep 9, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let's get this right Terry.....
You’re saying that if Emmitt and Sanders switched teams, that Emmitt still would have better numbers than Sanders?
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this perspective instead.
They are both on the draft board and Im building my franchise from the ground up. Im picking Emmitt. His game is better suited for the team I want to build and he is better suited for the type of ball we play in the meatgrinding NFC BEAST.
You got 2 games against the Giants, Skins, and Philly D.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 10, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not what I'm saying at all
I’m saying I’d pick Emmitt because he’s a better back, what about that don’t you understand? There is more to being a back than running with the football.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 10, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey Terry.....
believe it or not, I do understand what you are saying so you don’t have to talk down to me. You didn’t answer my question though do ya. I understand this little nit-picking about RB blocking, catching etc. What you fail to address is my question “if Emmitt and Sanders switched teams that he would be just as effective?” I don’t think so and this goes against all the stuff that you like to spew like RB’s/QB’s don’t win-teams do.
by texstar on Sep 10, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a RB, Emmitt would be more effective
catching the ball and blocking, although I’m sure he wouldn’t have gained the most yards in the history of the game playing for the Lions.
That said, I’d take Emmitt over Sanders no matter what team they both played for.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This gives me pause
If the whole “he played with better talent” argument is all BS, then why do you keep saying that Romo is better than Roethlisberger right now?
I mean, doesn’t Roethlisberger have the rings? So it shouldn’t matter that he has a great defense, right?
Everything's looking up, Milhouse!
by accidental innuendo on Sep 9, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000000
My favorite retort to the whole “more rings = better player” is to ask if Robert Horry is better than Michael Jordan.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 9, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry did have that 'take one to the house anytime' ability....
but he’s still a quitter in my book.
by Road Warrior on Sep 9, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's debatable Terry.....
don’t get me wrong, I love Emmitt but if Barry Sanders hadn’t have retired prematurely, he would have all the rushing/td records of all time. I mean, he played for the Lions for heavens sake and he still ended up being great.
by texstar on Sep 9, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry was a better runner, not back.
He couldn’t catch or block to save his life
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The also yanked Barrys ass on short yardage and goal line.
Who pulls the best Complete RB off the field for different situations.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, yup… Tommy Vardell stole his goaline carries. He was the first Touchdown Vulture.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Sep 9, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he did retire early
that is part of the total package.
As for TD records, didn’t he often get subbed out on the goal line for the likes of Tommy Vardell?
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 9, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
durability is a huge factor when debating who was the best. There is a lot to be said about being great consistently over a long period of time.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on Sep 9, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanders played ten years at the highest level. He averaged 1500 yards per season, and his next to last season he rushed for over 2000 yards. In his worst season, he rushed for over 1100 yards, which was also the only season he played less than 15 games. I don’t think anyone can question his durability. Sanders also averaged two more yards per catch than Emmitt did over the course of his career.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
by Seanrude on Sep 9, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Emmitt was a better endzone celebrator.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 9, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy lost his commiment after Troy and Michael retired
Yet he kept playing for the record……..he made us go throw his BS for three years until he finally got the record. Very Favre like in those days. I can still remember many of us calling for Hambrick (yes, Hambrick!!!!) in those days.
by ManTab on Sep 9, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That says more about you than Emmitt.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares if Emmitt's less articulate than a pet rock?
It could be worse. Just think about the worst thing other franchise’s Hall Of Fame running backs did.
by MadMick on Sep 9, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
Visions of white Broncos dance through my head
"When it's third and ten, you can take the milk drinkers and I'll take the whiskey drinkers every time." -Max McGee
by BigDinSC on Sep 9, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Emmit's comments really bugged me. Dude, you're a Cowboy...you don't throw other Cowboys under the bus on a national forum...isn't that some unwritten code?
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 9, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's gone the route of controversy-igniter to get attention since his current analyst approach is sucking
by Joon on Sep 9, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
emmitt holds the records so hes the champ.
Berry was a blast to watch and had unbelievable moves but Emmett is no. 1 until knocked off end of disscusion…
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Sep 10, 2009 2:31 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No mention of missing def coordinators?
I think those losses cost NYG and Phil each at least a win, maybe more for the Giants.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 9, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Philly’s defense will be suspect at best..There starting a rook at fs is was a converted cb and they have no mlb with bradly done…i see them winning 8-9 games…
by scandrick32 on Sep 9, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Changing positions doesn't always hurt at safety
Woodson was a LB in college. Isn’t Ball our back up safety? He’s a corner.
When did I become a Cowboy fan? When my mom told me I was.
by GunsUp on Sep 9, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've said it once (or twice), I'll say it again
Cowboys 16-0
Jints 0-12-4
Philthy 0-12-4
Skiz 0-12-4
I simply believe that the ‘Boys are better than every team they’ll play and I can never, ever wish a win on any of the division foes, sorry.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
by Fighter15 on Sep 9, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YOU CAN HAVE TIES???
When did this start???
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO Fighter
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 9, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cowboys will
split with their division, just like last year. That’s 3 wins – 3 losses.
They should beat Tampa, Denver, KC and Oakland. Thats 7 W – 3 L
The other 6 games are fifty – fifty. So let’s say the Boys split those too. They’re at 10 – 6.
The Gnats could finish at 10 – 6 too, relying on tiebreakers to see who gets in the playoffs. The Gnats ball control, low scoring offense keeps them out of the playoffs. The Beagles implode midseason when a jealous McNabb is accused of planting an underaged poodle in Mike Vicks car.
Cowboys go to the playoffs!
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by Jim Vance on Sep 9, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Underaged poodle
Hilarious.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really could work too!
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 9, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Giants with every fiber of my being...
…but 7-9 is utter nonsense.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Sep 9, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
For the record
despite my trolling, I think the Cowboys are gonna finish second in the division. I think the Eagles are incredibly overrated and just waiting to implode (why is everyone so eager to focus on the last few weeks of the season and ignore how much of a mess they were the first half?), especially if/when McNabb and Westbrook suffer their inevitable injuries.
I’m probably the biggest Tony Romo fan amongst all of Giants “nation” (I hate that term for sports fans, but I couldn’t think of another way to phrase it) – I love watching him play and I think it’s only a matter of time before he wins a big game and shuts the critics up. I hate that he’s a Cowboy, but I can admit that he’s awesome.
Maybe I’m a homer, but the Giants were 3 games better than the competition last year. They didn’t match up well against the Eagles, but then the Eagles didn’t match up well against the Redskins – I don’t think that’s enough to say they shouldn’t still be the favorites. Really, though, in this division all of what we’re saying now is probably gonna end up being meaningless – the one thing I feel confident predicting is that the team that wins the division will be the team that was the luckiest in terms of injuries and players stepping up from whom a lot wasn’t expected.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1 Good luck and least injuries.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to agree on the injury comment
From your Romo comments it’s obvious you’re an in-the-closet Cowboy fan stuck in Giant country. Liberate yourself and just come out. We have a big tent.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 9, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
no luck there – I hate the Cowboys with every fiber of my being. I went to a 1-AA college, though, and I tend to root for guys who also come from 1-AA, even if they end up on rivals. Westbrook’s the only Eagle I like, just like Romo’s the only Cowboy I like.
by cjmulrain on Sep 9, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta ask, what is your opinion on Eli Manning? Or better yet, how do you feel swapping Philip Rivers and Shawn Merriman for Eli? I mean seriously, the Giants are a very good team already, but with Rivers and Merriman also on the team? Damn.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 9, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing JJ and Dawkins and their MLB who was making the D calls up front and you want me to say their D is not going to slide? Their O line is a mess and peters is already showing that that was a big mistake. Add McFlabb looking over his shoulder at Vick and the inevitable Westbrook injury (McCoy has yet to play mind you); plus I Believe that that little WR is going to get busted in half sooner or later and I say the Birds take a fall.
Eli looked real good for the first half of the season then started to slide even before they lost Gun Guy. By the end of the season he was lost. All their depth on the D line is already going down the drain and if they try and stay as active as they did last year they will wear down in Dec and Jan. Now they do not have any WRs that scare ANYONE so the D’s will be stacked against the Run.
No point in discussing the Skins since we know they will fold.
11-5 Boys (w/tiebreaker)
11-5 Giants
9-7 Birds
8-8 Skins
by burmafrd1944 on Sep 9, 2009 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Allow me to retort in the style on burmafrd1944...
Tony Romo will hurt his poor wittle pinky finger and take a vacation to Mexico, Jon Kitna will come in and fumble 14 snaps, we’ll see the inevitable Felix Jones injury, Marion Barber’s yards per carry will continue to decline because he no longer has the luxury of entering games in the 2nd against tied defenses, Roy Williams will keep running jogging horrible routes and staying as far away from the weight room as possible, Patrick Crayton and the rest of the WR corps will produce more yawns than NyQuil, Anthony Spencer and Bobby Carpenter will solidify their bust status, the DE’s will keep making opposing QB’s feel nice and comfy hanging out in the pocket…
(Hang on, deep breath… OK, continuing…)
The oldest O Line in the league will barely be able to stand by December, Andre Gurode will snap at least 6 balls over Romo/Kitna’s head, Martellus Bennett will rap about… um… I have no idea, Terrence Newman will continue to be as useful as teets on a bull…
(Cigarette break… OK, continuing again…)
Keith Brooking will attempt to cover RB’s and TE’s… Offensive coordinators far and wide will rejoice, Ken Hamlin will get run over again like a little pipsqueak Pop Warner player, the scoreboard will be pelted with punts, Wade Phillips will stare blankly at nothing in particular, and Jerry Jones will sit mopey-faced in his new, cozy luxury box as he dreams of days of glory that have long since passed him by… LOOOOOONG since passed him by that is.
Did I miss anything?
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Sep 9, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redskins for once again bottom of the division easily. I don’t think they’ll do as good in the division as they did last season.
by Why on Sep 9, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I greatly disagree
The Giants will be a lot better than 7-9 with a training camp sans Plax under their belt.
2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5
by Grady90 on Sep 9, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Any expert list that doesnt include me should be avoided.
OK, maybe thats a bit of a stretch but at least 2 members of this blog to give it any real credit.
Im mean, nasty, and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm, and I can put a round through a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go and hump someone else's leg mutt face, before i push yours in. Gunnery SGT Tom Highway
by squidlo97 on Sep 9, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre 51? LT 4? McNabb 22? Gonzalez 10?
they’re stuck in 2005.
by foyesboys on Sep 10, 2009 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot to mention Vick at 88
that’s an awful list. They also have Osi Umenyiora 18 spots ahead of Justin Tuck, which would have been wrong before last season, but is absolutely ridiculous now. Antonio Gates shouldn’t be ahead of Witten, and I’m literally lol’ing at some of the people who are ahead of Calvin Johnson (Chris Johnson? I’m hoping TSN made a mistake and mixed those two up).
by cjmulrain on Sep 10, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Vick ahead of Romo is
a complete self diagnosis of retardation.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
by dunkman on Sep 10, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
As an Eagle fan, totally agree. Favre any higher than 250 is a joke too.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Sep 10, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
400th!
NFC East smackdown results so far (4:29 AM EDT):
BTB: 400 comments
BBV: 108 comments
BGN: 40 comments
HH: 33 comments
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 10, 2009 3:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Everyone - TGIF - THANK GOD IT'S FOOTBALL
Today is better than Christmas. Seeing the Steelers lose tonight would be a bonus.
by Road Warrior on Sep 10, 2009 5:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tell me how healthy they will be in December....
and I will tell you how they will do!.
That being said I am cautiously optimistic that they will win 10 or so and win the East, but it all comes down to how healthy they stay IMO.
BTW , this is a GREAT blog!! Thanks to hosts for making it possible. I am a newbie here, but have been a ’Boys fan since the first game that I ever watched and could understand…the ’75 Hail Mary playoff V Minny ! Been hooked ever since!!
I am from NY so you can imagine the stuff that I have to put up with !
Here is to a GREAT season! Let’s go ’Boys!!!!
by fiverings37 on Sep 10, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome Mr. soon-to-be sixrings37
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 10, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been fun debating with you guys
Despite what I was taught in elementary school, it seems Cowboys fans don’t (all) eat the hearts of children for breakfast and rape virgins for sport. But seriously, you guys have a very vibrant community at BTB, I always enjoy commenting here.
I’m sure I’ll be back here next week leading up to the Giants first visit to the Taj MaJerry, but for now I’ll wish you guys a healthy if not happy season!
by cjmulrain on Sep 10, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I used to spend a lot of time looking at a giants site, BBI
I went to school in NY and my friend was a giants fan and he told me about it. They were far better than even espn when it came to any football news, heck any sports news. They had great analysis, and they linked to a bunch of cool discussions including talking to an official about once the month about certain random rules that occasionally come up. They had a pretty cool community.
I feel like BTB is pretty similar with its great analysis, and for the most part, very reasonable posters.
by foyesboys on Sep 10, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Taj MaJerry
I like that.
Training Camp '09 = Mega Thunder Dome....80 men enter, 53 men leave.
by APerfectStar on Sep 10, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that in Arlindia?
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