Vikings 34, Cowboys 3: Death by Execution
Brett Favre played the sniper Sunday, and knocked out the Cowboys' season. Never one to avoid challenging a secondary, he took on the Dallas secondary, taking 50/50 shots and 50/50 chances to whichever team wanted the ball. He assumed his guys would get the better of the challenges.
Favre was right.
He threw his first tossup on Minnesota's second series, ignoring an Anthony Spencer rush in his face while arching a pass towards a well covered Sidney Rice up the right sideline. Gerald Sensabaugh never saw Favre's pass, but he almost certainly heard it. The ball almost grazed his left earhole as it dropped over his left shoulder. Had Sensabaugh turned around, he might have picked off the pass. Had he reached out when Rice reached for the ball, he might batted the ball incomplete. The Cowboy did neither. Rice snagged the ball right from under Sensabaugh's nose. This time, unfortunately, the saying was literally true.
Minnesota executed the tight play. They would all day. Favre, in particular, made the contested play. He pump faked an onrushing Marcus Spears to convert the Vikings second touchdown. The fake got Spears up and Favre under him. The old man again found Rice, who released very late after motioning inside and cutting a linebacker. The original call was a bootleg pass and Dallas had Favre's primary doubled. They left the prone Rice free and the creative Favre located him.
Minnesota's sharpness contrasted with a Dallas offense which again moved well in the first quarter but could not find points. This was the offensive theme of 2009, as Jason Garrett's guys finished 2nd in yards but just 14th in points scored. The furious Vikings rush offered a painful reminder of why this disparity occured. Minnesota's front four, most notably left end Ray Edwards, won their passing downs matchups with their Cowboys counterparts. Edwards made the returning Marc Colombo look sluggish, beating him on loops and edge rushes all day. Inside, coordinator Leslie Frazier kept the interior three off balance with twists.
Dallas still managed to get the faster start, on a game play which called for lots of three step drops and quick throws and runs to the edges. Romo drove the team to the Vikings pre-red zone on Dallas' first two possessions, but each time a sack or botched snap thwarted the drive. Edwards stripped Romo on the opening drive and Shaun Suisham, who appears to have been infected by the same alien which overtook Nick Folk, pulled a 47 yard attempt wide.
Dallas managed its best drive of the day after Favre's first bomb to Rice, driving to the Vikings 8. Here, another Edwards sack forced them to settle for three. At this point, Dallas has the option of replacing the overmatched Colombo with Doug Free, who displayed the feet necessary to push Edwards past the edge. That option evaporated when Flozell Adams injured a calf and had to leave the game. Free moved to the left tackle and Dallas had no more line options to play.
The defense continued to play hard in the middle quarters, twice stopping the Vikings after Cowboys turnovers inside the red zone. The game slowed at that point, as the offense could not sustain the protection to let Romo look down field and the Vikings were content to run heavily to drain the clock. Minnesota went back to deep ball in the final minutes, knowing Dallas was selling out against the run. Favre and Rice beat Mike Jenkins on another deep ball early in the fourth which strongly resembled the first. Favre's execution was superb, and it let him play the executioner to Dallas' playoff run.
Notes:
-- If you felt like you've seen this movie before, you have. The '91 Cowboys raised the fan nation's mood by beating the Bears in the wild card round. It was Dallas first playoff win in eight years. The following week, they were throttled 38-6 by Detroit. Barry Sanders made a winding run in the 4th which capped off a humiliating afternoon. That team, like this one, had a vulnerable unit which was exposed at playoff time. In '91 the secondary was sub-par.
Today, the offensive line again came up short. Look at Dallas' losses this year and you see a motif -- the line was overmatched in some way. It gave up five sacks to the Broncos, on a day when Dallas scored just 10 points. It gave up another 5 sacks to Green Bay. Dallas scored just seven in that contest. The line could not generate a running game in Giants II: Dallas gained just 45 yards on 23 rushes in that game. Against the Chargers, it could not convert 2nd and goal from the one.
Today, the line created some running room to the edges but got Romo sacked six times and hit numerous other plays. When Dallas was in third and short, Jason Garrett made no pretense of trying to run. He called successful passes on Dallas first two 3rd-and-short situations. On the second, a 3rd-and-1, Dallas went straight to the shotgun and didn't even try a play action fake.
I think Garrett and Hudson Houck got the maximum out of this bunch, but their best wasn't good enough. Today, it wasn't close. The line will need youth and depth if the Cowboys want to build on this year.
-- 2009 was a lost year for kickoff returns. Kevin Ogletree didn't show any more than Felix Jones. On his second return, Ogletree ran away from his blocking, in a futile attempt to make a play. In fairness, neither returner had any room. This was always the case, against good coverage teams like the Eagles, and one which struggled, like Minnesota's.
-- The defensive game plan was not bad. Minnesota never generated a running game. Adrian Peterson averaged 2.4 yards a carry. They put the game on Favre's shoulders. But Favre, as I pointed out, got the 50/50 plays 100 percent of the time. When you do it that often, there's no luck involved. You're simply on.
-- I'll need to watch again, but Doug Free looked okay against Jared Allen in the 2nd half. Dallas needed to clone him and play him on both sides today.
-- Nice knowing you, Shaun Suisham. Good luck at your next stop. He proved just as bad as Nick Folk in the 40-49 range. The two combined to go 7 of 16 from that distance.
-- I've been very wrong before on coaching changes in Dallas, but I'll be surprised if any major changes are made. Jerry Jones let Wade Phillips make the changes he thought were necessary and almost every one bore fruit. The locker room cleanout improved the team. Adding DeCamillis to replace Bruce Read helped. The free agents, many of them Wade veterans -- Olshansky, Brooking -- worked splendidly.
This team has a chance for continuity and that seems the recipe it needs. More on this later in the week.
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First
playoff win in 16 years means this season was not a waste, but a stepping stone.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
Second
playoff run will hopefully be better.
3rd year as a pro should see Felix as a starter.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 17, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno. I've seen that movie before. I don't think he holds up to a season's worth
of 15+ carries per game. I think the current RB mix is about right.
by Mr._Mulligan on Jan 17, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions
You do know that Barber played since September with a torn quad?
I had a doctor tell me when he hurt it that as long as he kept playing it was never going to heal.
He ran hard today. I don’t want him to be the feature back but if he’s back on the team next year and healthy I’m not going to complain, unless the team gives him more of the carries.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions
Didn't know that
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 17, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions
why was he playing?
he always runs hard and plays hard, but he only hurt the team this season. . it doesnt seem like he will ever be the same he was 2 yrs ago
because he's a professional?
Because he believes in earning his paycheck?
Because he knows he’s on a talented unit and could lose his job if he begged off?
by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
I still think maybe Choice could have have seen a few more touches...
…in light of this injury.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
why are we calling pitch-outs to Barber
when he can’t beat anyone to the corner or break a tackle??
that 7yd loss when we were around the Minny 30 and the score was still in reach (17-3 i think) was a back-breaker
Agreed.
That played sucked, especially since Colombo could not block Edwards on that side. That play, along with the missed FGs, just sucked any momentum right outta the offense.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
some people have said it was an audible
of course, sometimes it looks like every play is an audible
that play and not snapping the ball with an offside Viking in the two minute drill before half are really gnawing at me
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
OMG.....McLovin9...said the same thing yesterday....I was screaming at that call...
thats a play designed for Felix, not a hobbled slower MB3. Stupid call…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
yeah - its unfortunate
awful call…when we we moving the ball almost at will we seemed to shoot ourselves in the foot everytime we got inside the Vikings 35yd line…now a lot of it was their pass rush but missed FGs and questionable play calls put the nails in the coffin….
and why did we not go for it on 4th and inches instead of attempting a 48yd FG in the first Q?? totally knew he was going to miss that and we had been moving the ball at that point
agreed bad call not going for it knowing you have a kicker that isnt very good...
at that point in the game they were running the ball very well….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Yep
To me it was a no brainer when you have a new kicker that’s shaky from 45-49 yards (cut because he missed a 25 yarder for Wash), you go for a 4th and 1. What’s scary is Wade said it wasn’t a 4th and short. I give credit to Wade for their late win streak, but during losses some of the things he says makes you wonder…
I hear you, but if had REALLY been moving the ball at that point
we wouldn’t be in a 4th and short situation. Many of our TDs throughout the season, we didn’t even encounter 3rd downs.
we were moving the ball good at that point....thats the head scratcher...
Im listening to The Lunch Break on DC.com and they said Jerry said before the game they probably wouldnt attempt a FG past 45 yds and they tryed 2….really two bad calls because you get the ball at the point of the kick..we gave the Vikings two possessions at mid field…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
It's important to put points on the board.
Especially early in the game. You want to not regret decision early in the game. I think it was the right decision, it just didn’t work out.
I'm of two minds
I was once told that the toughest points to score are the first ones, and that is often true. Getting the three would have been a success, but I really think it is at best a 50-50 proposition with Suisham. I say it was a 60 % chance of success going for it, with a potential for more points.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
100% agree.
That play should ONLY be for Felix. Barber seemed to be doing well yesterday running between the tackles. There was another play where he tried to bounce it out wide and failed miserably.
I certainly agree he doesn't have the same ability to break tackles...
Last year they went at his feet and he always went down, and this year it took several people to get him down, but he never broke it to run free. At least not enough.
That was dumb
I knew it was a loser when I saw 24 on the payer’s back as he took the pitch.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
It's not his choice-the coaches should have sat him and played Choice more
Not that it would have made a difference, but he’s looked slow for months.
We do have a capable backup…..
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by Realist Larry on Jan 18, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I've never questioned his heart or his professionalism
But is his 90% good enough to be truly competitive in a league where the difference in talent levels is a few % points? I love seeing MB3 run, but he wasn’t himself after the injury and keeping him in, as you said, kep the injury from healing. TC & FJ could have carried the load while MB3 healed.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
agreed on MB3 not being a feature back
I would really think about trading him this offseason, but it think his 8 mil dollar price tag is too high for a team to take. This is going to be a uncapped year so take advantage and unload his big contract. Find a gem in the 3rd or 4th round like we always do to compliment Felix and Choice.
There are a few others I would unload also and use that extra space to pick up depth for the OL, sign Austin and a FA WR. I’m still up in the air about Sensabaugh. Im not sure he is derserving of a big contract.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Always do?
Do you not remember the long stretch between Emmitt’s draft and Julius Jones? Only recently have we found good running backs.
Good running backs aren't hard to find no matter who's picking them.
You mention the long stretch between Emmitt and Julius Jones being drafted without realizing that it’s hard to find a good running back if you’re not looking for one. Emmitt was the feature back all the way up until 2002 and Julius was drafted in ‘04. Where’s the long drout?
I like Tashard, but not enough to take up 15 carries per game.
Maybe we can find another gem in the later rounds and then Barber becomes expendable.
If Felix gets 16 carries a game, there won't be 15 more meaningful carries to dole out.
Also why can’t Choice handle the back-up running back role? I don’t get it.
Choice is more than capable of handling 15 carries a game...anyone watch him in college?
RBs are easy to find in the draft and surprisenly we have real good luck drafting them….MB3 is not worth 8 mil a year fellows…..use that money elsewhere
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Anyone watch him the KC game...
or at the end of the ’08 season? He is more than capable
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
I said I DON'T GET why he wouldn't be able to handle it.
If he handled the ball nearly 30 times against Pittsburgh for 150 total yards, he’s obviously capable of being a back-up.
Fourth...
… year for Phillips should be in the bag, the team played though ball for him, but the definciencies of the team were obvious.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Fifth
season as a starter for Romo should lead to an appearance in the NFC championship, hopefully a Super Bowl Appearance.
"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 18, 2010 7:19 AM CST up reply actions
Sixth
Super Bowl win is just around the corner. Ok, I’m done.
"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 18, 2010 7:19 AM CST up reply actions
Fix the protections, which may mean replacing o-lineman.
There is no reason that the line was that porous. It was disgraceful, and highly reminicent of the Giants playoff loss we suffered.
good luck...not with there contracts..not much is going to change on the OL except for depth next year...
Maybe Kosier gets replaced thats it
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I keep reading this and I don't buy it
This team wants to win. It’s going to put the best five players out there it can.
Roy Williams has a big contract. Did the team keep him as the focal point of the passing game? Did it look a contract when it made game plans?
No. Austin’s balls went up and Roy’s went down. Way down. The last month of the season he was a factor last week.
If Free is better than one of the OTs who start, he’ll start next year. Kosier won’t be back, so we’re going to learn a lot about Robert Brewster by early March. If they feel he’s rehabbed and can make a push, Kosier is gone.
Contracts mean everything.....your better have better options if you plan on replacing the incumbent....
Flozell is not as bad as we all want to believe and before he was injured was handling Allen pretty good. Colombo was struggling, but I will chalk that up as him being rusty, otherwise he has been solid all year. Kosier is our best chance of seeing change across the OL..All of these guys contracts are locked for the most part except for Kosier.
Unless we are planning on replacing Flozell and Kosier with free agents not much is going to happen because you cant expect a rookie to come in and start and be effective. I really except Kosier to be replaced by a veteran FA in the offseason.
Brewster is a long shot to begin with and needs a ton of work. Dont except a rookie that was on IR all year to do much of anything anytime soon. I sure hope we are not pinning our hopes on this guy or we wil be disappointed.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Hopefully.
I’m not sure what the right formula for this team is. Win early, win late or what. But maybe we can start winning with good line play.
Tough game
we’ll be back.
"Hey, hey, hey. Calm down. We're not the Lions or the Eagles. We count Superbowls, not playoff wins."
by RisingSunCowboy on Jan 17, 2010 11:00 PM CST reply actions
Well at least we didn't lay down twice in two weeks.
BTW if you love Dawkins so much, maybe you could be a fan of the Broncos. Oh yeah, they suck too.
Texas: Where God goes to relax.
Unless he's watching the Cowboys.
What have you beeotches done in the last half of the decade?
Besides choke again in the NFC Title Game against a 9-7 Cardinals team you thrashed by 30 points in late November? Besides that, two non-playoff seasons and a rescue job by Jeff Garrfffffcea that led to nothing.
THE EAGLES ARE WINLESS THIS DECADE
carry on.
"Thanks Ed, good hairpiece" - Tony Romo
by robolundgren on Jan 18, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
move along chump
Let me know when your team wins something
by RisingSunCowboy on Jan 18, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
Congratulations to the Cowboys on a successful season.
I’m sure it was much worse for you out there today than it was for me on my sofa, and I know it was really bad for me. Here’s to hoping we take another huge step next year. I don’t drink much, but I popped open a bud longneck, and held it high for you, Tony, during your very classy post-game presser. Here’s to the Cowboys.
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90% of Americans say 'OH SHIT!' before going into the ditch on a slippery road.
The other 10% are from TEXAS and they say, 'HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS!!!'
I'm glad he didn't mention anything about having difficulty protecting.
Which was 100% true, but when he mentioned that against the Giants, people jumped all over him for throwing the o-line under the bus. They deserved to be under the bus.
I’m glad Tony is just going to the cliche’s like in Bull Durham. People don’t want the truth, they want the cliche’s.
Exactly. Only fans can put blame where it really belongs.
Texas: Where God goes to relax.
Unless he's watching the Cowboys.
was it Peyton that completely tossed his entire o-line under the bus a few years ago?
Offseason. Ugh. The long offseason begins today.
by bulldog jeeper on Jan 18, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
I remember that
He kept saying “I’m trying to be a good teammate here” but everyone knew that he was saying his O-line sucked
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
I know why QB's don't want to throw their line under the bus, but when your line
doesn’t have the desire to keep you upright, or willing to man up, I’m not sure that I’m willing to defend them. I’d say check the tape. There’s your problem.
Good Season
Here’s hoping the the 2010 draft class is as deep at O-line as the 2008 class was at cornerback.
Not as sad as I thought I would be
Don’t get me wrong I would have much preferred it had we won. The bright side, I won’t have to listen to anymore crap about no playoff win in 16 years and that Romo always chokes. Furthermore this season has led me to believe that with a few changes that we will be extremely potent next season. Good job cowboys. I for one am proud of you guys.
+1
But I don’t have a good explanation for why. I suppose it is because the team exceeded my expectations this year. Jenkins (whom I slammed all preseason) is developing into one of the best corners in the league. Austin had a breakout year. We don’t have any desperate needs. The only needs I can see are:
OT – Flo shut Jared Allen down completely. Allen started making plays when Free came in. I think we still need to look for a LT candidate (or at least a backup)
FS – If we can find an upgrade over Hamlin.
OG – We can find an improvement to Kosier
WR – We need a replacement for Roy WIlliams – preferably a speed guy. (I wish we had a Percy Harvin type)
FB – The Cricket is not a good lead blocker. I wish we still had Lousaka Polite who has blossomed into a complete FB in Miami.
OLB/DE – Never can have too many pass rushers.
by JimmyJohnson on Jan 17, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
not sure I agree with all this. I thought Free had a hell of a game, he essentially shut down JA for all but one tipped pass (it seems on the sack JA had, Witten was supposed to be manned up on him, doesn’t seem like the soundest strategy to me). I think Ogletree emerged as a possibility at the WR position and as far as fullback goes, I think we need to give John Phillips a new number and move him back there. his blocking is exceptional and he has very soft hands. not sure about his ball carrying ability between the tackles, but I think he has real promise to be a future FB for us.
i remember
Barking at the tv, and my buddies, that flo, was too slow getting out, and allen was tearing him a new one. I was clammoring for free to come in. I got my wish, but not exactly how I wanted it. I thought free did an excellent job with HIS assignments.
by TONYINCC on Jan 18, 2010 10:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Free did a good job, but I think he will make a better RT....I really think he is a stud in the making...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Flo was playing better than Columbo though
Columbo was getting beat like a redheaded stepchild. I was yelling for Free to come in and replace him but then Flo got hurt and made it a moot point. I think Free’s got a future as one of our starting OT’s. I just wish it hadn’t taken so long to get him on the field.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
agreed..Colombo had his worse game as a Cowboy I thought...He made there DE looke like Reggie White out there
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
The media had already started
No playoff road win in 15 or whatever years.
by JoeWho on Jan 18, 2010 8:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The media can screw themselves.
It’s very hollow right now whatever the bring up. No wins in 16 years when playing on a Sunday. Screw em.
Today was awful, and I hope Jerry will act to bring in needed personnel, but
I won’t complain about the season; as I’ve said elsewhere, the team performed beyond the expectations of a whole lot of people.
Surprisingly, some of the press aren’t piling on Romo (which would be unjust, IMO):
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/columns/story?columnist=macmahon_tim&id=4834819
I’ve been waiting for the predictable howls for his head, a la Montecito Tex.
I'm not too surprised.
If you watched the game he had NO time in the pocket. To suggest otherwise is just ingnorant.
Is there a draft post yet?
Im going with Mike Iupati from Idaho to the Cowboys in the first round.
+1
dude is a manimal.
Do you think Jerry will pick a guard in the first round? I have my doubts because that’s not where the “value” is.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
Jerry is not picking a OL in the first round period....bank on it....
We have the 27th pick I believe now….Jerry is trading down into the second more than likely or maybe do something that he normal doesnt and move up for a playmaker on offense which im hoping.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
He trades down.
Ton of talent in this draft, and it becomes the scouts job to find it. I hope we get 2 or 3 good players and 2 or 3 from last years draft develop… if we count Ogletree, then 1 or 2 from last year.
when was the last time Dallas traded out of the 1st?
1996.
They traded out in ’04 and got a #1 the next year, which became Felix Jones.
I’ll take that trade down bet. What do you want to wager?
whoops, sorry BoysFan
misread your post.
I agree he won’t take an OL in the 1st, but I seriously doubt he trades out of the 1st.
Reference to the '91 playoff game very apt
DAL is good, but not good enough. Our fatal flaw exposed, playcalling could not have overcome the more athletic and talented mistmatch up front.
Favre’s 2nd TD to Rice really upset me, because Spears failed to make the play right in front of him. One thing I liked about the emergence of Jenkins and Sensi is they made plays on balls in the air. Neither did on the big TD’s they surrendered today.
Another long offseason ahead, slightly less dissatisfying for the progress we’ve made. All the more dissatisfying for what we haven’t. I revel in the greatness, history and legacy of my Dallas Cowboys. But now can’t help but wonder if our aspirations are realistic – JAN 1996 was too long ago to be a benchmark for these Dallas Cowboys. Maybe someday, hopefully soon.
I'm not losing my memory, I'm living in the now
What Farve did to Spears today
he’s been doing for 17 years.
Steve Young used to do it to. Fake a pass when the guy is closing on you to get him to hop and then duck under him.
It sucks but Marcus has a lot of company on that move.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 17, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, it's a natural reaction, but as a defender, you have to raise your arms up, and then
have them come crashing down on the QB. When I was in high school I remember learning those lessons.
That's true but
He knows better than to leave his feet. I mean c’mon, he has all of a two-inch vertical anyway…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
The TD pass on Sensi was weird
one of the strangest plays I’ve ever seen. He was completely oblivious to the fact that the ball was on the way. But then when the ball arrived and Rice was running into the end zone, he made some moves like he was aware the ball was nearby but never tried to make the tackle.
by JimmyJohnson on Jan 17, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
he was just playing Rice and not the ball. The way he acted after the catch made me wonder if he thought he heard a whistle or if he didnt realise the catch had been made. Maybe the ball whistling past his ear disoriented him.
it looked to me
like he was looking around wondering where his help was supposed to be. no excuse for him not to even attempt pushing Rice out of bounds before he crossed the goal line
Wade said in his presser Sensabaugh didn't know Rice caught the ball
To Sensabaugh pushing Rice out of bounds would have been pass interference.
The tribulations of Winter...
90% of Americans say 'OH SHIT!' before going into the ditch on a slippery road.
The other 10% are from TEXAS and they say, 'HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS!!!'
It was a weird play all around.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 18, 2010 5:01 AM CST up reply actions
He was quoted afterwards that he didn't realize that Rice caught the ball and
he heard the crowd noise, but he had no idea why. I don’t think Favre could have placed it any better.
worse than that
he didn’t play either the man or the ball. It looked like he was indecisive about whether to turn and look for the ball or not and in the end he saw absolutely nothing. Really bad technique and he’s kicking himself. That play broke the game open. The Vikes would have won anyway because their D-line owned the Dallas O-line, but the defense sort of had all the air punched out of them on that one.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Can't remember where I heard it, but somebody said that is a technique Rice has used before to fool defenders.
He keeps his hands low until the ball is near to minimize their timing in breaking it up.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Correct
Rice intentionally kept his hands down, also tried to turn his head as little as possible. Rice talked about it in the post game pressy. This of course required favre to put it right on the money, which fortunately 9form my POV as a vikes fan), he did.
There was a long, detailed, in general very excellent fanpost posted here & also crassposted by the BTB author at DN where the author evaluated each phase of the matchup, and it talked about Harvin, Berrian, Shiancoe, even Greg Lewis, but oddly enough never even mentioned Rice. I replied that I thought that was a gross oversight, that the matchup of Rice on your secondary was actually our best thing we had going in the game (other than Longwell vs. Suisham, lol). I’ll be honest, I was thinking more in ghe context of Rice having a great advantage with 6’4" height and great vertical leap, over Newman and Jenkins (who are both 5’11" or less), but I still take pride in calling that overlooked matchup as being the key for us :)
Good luck next year guys. I’m glad you kept Wade, I don’t think he deserved the axe for this. You just need to keep doing what you’re doing, IMO, and you’ll get closer next year (if not all the way). Patience is a necessary ingredient.
Cool, thanks for confirming that.
I was concerned with Rice cuz our guys had some problems covering V.Jackson when SD came into town. Also, Rice was my fantasy WR, so I watched him closely this year (at least, stats-wise).
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 19, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Spears shouldve made a straight line move to Favre...there was no threat of a 40 yr old QB scrambling..
He shouldve known Favre looks to make a play downfield much like Romo does….that looked classic Romo….I mean Favre…lol
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
It was just a perfect pass, and he was in near perfect coverage.
Sure he should have looked back, but he was all over Rice like a blanket.
I hope so...
I somehow felt better after that season, for some reason. We’re not a terribly old team, but there are a few critical players in the definite decline.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Jan 18, 2010 8:06 AM CST up reply actions
The good news is that our older players are our problem spots.
I agree with Jerry and Co, that lineman take a few years before they are ready to assume starting roles. So, hopefully we can buck that trend and maybe brewster and Free are ready to play. Who knows… who knows…
We have no idea what Brewster can do
He’ll definitely be competing with Kosier in training camp. I would imagine the Cowboys will try to get a Guard and Tackle in the draft. Unless something crazy like Earl Thomas falling to the late 1st Round happens I like Bulaga. He looked pretty good against G Tech. Or this guard from Idaho. I wouldn’t mind trying for him if all the tackles in the first round are gone.
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by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Jan 18, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Brewster is a few years away....you cant even count this year..he has alot of work ahead..dont count on him anytime soon
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
How do you know this?
I don’t think Hudson Houck or Brewster himself knows this.
Nobody knows at this point.
Free didn't embarass himself, but to think he is ready to be on an island
with Allen is foolish.
Texas: Where God goes to relax.
Unless he's watching the Cowboys.
I disagree
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with Aaron's disagreement and disagree with your disagreement of his disagreement of their agreements
Free played pretty well. The strup sack was a combination of Witten’s error and a great defensive alignment by Minni.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I don't get the whole "Free is not a LT" argument.
He was never a RT until Colombo got hurt. Even last season, McQuistan was Colombo’s backup, not Free.
I even saw him driving Allen back on that Felix run to the left.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
LOL, I got lost on the whole agree/disagree string..
But I agree that Free is a LT and he played well. Colombo did not play well and we apparently don’t have anyone on the team we trust enough to come in for him if Free is already playing LT. We need a good backup RT.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
If Free can truly play LT better than Flo
then I say move Flo to RT. I don’t know if Free can beat him out though but I have seen Flo play limited action at RT (in the Pro Bowl) and he looked good. I’d bet right now he’d be an upgrade over Columbo and Marc could be a backup.
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I'm proud to be pro-Free!
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
LOL, he is the one bright spot that has come from our o-line this year
When in doubt, empty your magazine
+1
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2010 12:39 AM CST up reply actions
Free was a natural RT in college I believe and never played LT...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Umm, not quite. Free started 34 times at LT @ Northern IL
and 3 times at TE
When in doubt, empty your magazine
I'd like them to explore that TE option w/him occassionally ...
and, as someone proffered, fullback. Maybe neither works, but give it a looksee.
The coaches say that Free
needs to get stronger to be a LT. He has good quick feet, but can’t handle a bull rush well.
Free is a RT....would make an awesome one..not sure he is a LT
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
That sounds right.
He looks like he has the ability to mirror and slide, probably better than Flo, but needs to still add strength.
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ok, wasnt sure..DC.com was talking about him today not ever playing LT..they must of meant the pros only
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
that 50/50 call is right on Raf
I was amazed that Jenkins and Sensi missed balls that would generally be easy picks for them.
Maybe the playoff pressure got to them a little……….
that was a bad play for Sensabaugh....football 101...read the receivers eyes and hands...
He had the coverage….just a bad play by him…
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the weird thing is
our SS was stride for stride with their top WR, right in his hip pocket – and it was still a disaster.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Perfect coverage by a SS
I never would have thought I’d see a SS who could cover like that but hopefully Campo teaches him how to turn his head and look for a ball.
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Rice didn't raise his hands up for that ball, he just let it fall right into his gut basically
his hands would have been hard to read
Cowboys had a great season
And anyone with eyes know where are deficiencies are. We need fresh blood on the o-line obviosly. JJ needs to keep clearing out the locker room this time the deadwood. We have to get a diff WR not RW fer sure. Ogletree needs to be our WR maybe he’s better than RW Just do it!! God I feel so bad for Tony and the rest of those guys
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by dcfansinceiwasababy on Jan 17, 2010 11:21 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I feel bad for Tony, because regardless of what people are saying now,
That he didn’t lose the game regardless of the turnovers, the media will still say that he is 1-3 in the playoffs.
Skins fan here...
I was just curious to see what your take was on Wade Phillips and whether you think he should stay and if JJ will stay patient another year w/ him? I’ve personally never thought of Wade as a great Head Coach. Anyway, congrats on a good season overall.
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I think he should stay
and thanks for the congrats and congrats on Hogs Haven. Shanahan should have the Skins much improved next year.
I'm probably in the minority, but I don't think coaching change will solve any problems.
I think better players will make the difference. Jason Garrett has had some rough play calling patches this year, but I think he is growing and getting better. And, I think Wade is a pretty good defensive coordinator.
by Mr._Mulligan on Jan 17, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'm with you Mulligan.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 17, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Me too.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 18, 2010 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
me three
interesting question is going to be whether we can keep Garrett…
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
I dont think there is a job he will take elsewhere
and I dont think there is any way JJ gets rid of him.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 18, 2010 4:56 AM CST up reply actions
Buggalo is the only team currently looking, right?
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
bah
Buffalo
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think you were right the first time!
Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?
Just moved here a few months ago.
Trust me, go with Buggalo.
Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?
How about Fubbalo?
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Me neither.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
That was my point.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2010 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
Suuuure, now that Gailey is hired you say that.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 19, 2010 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Probably not, JJ loves JG
But the question, IMO, is whether JG can learn from this year’s lessons? Genius is an overused word. Sometimes he’s in the other DC’s head, but most times, not so much, but still better than last year. That shows me he’s learning, this is his 1st OC position.
Many of his calls totally piss me off, but he is getting better. And I’m aware I’m contradicting myself from other posts, but emotion just got the better of me. If JG continues to learn, next year’s continuity on offense will be evident in improved playcalling and execution. With a few changes on the o-line, which are over due.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
I don't think he'll get many offers
I don’t see a lot of vacancies and he’s not quite the hot name he used to be.
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From Jay Glazer
The Buffalo Bills secretly interviewed long-time coach Chan Gailey last week and a source close to Gailey said the coach is slated to meet with owner Ralph Wilson and GM Buddy Nix sometime again Monday, FOXSports.com has learned. As long as talks don’t break down, Gailey is expected to be hired as the Bills head coach within the next 24-48 hours.
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
my friend is a huge bills fan
hes practically crying over the news.
From Bill Cowher rumors
to Chan Gailey reality.
What a let down.
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Wow. That's all I can say is Wow. So...Wow again
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I'm not a huge Wade (as head coach) fan, but I agree. I just don't think this loss
was a coaching issue, and Wade did win a huge game last week. He’s earned an extension. What I need now is an O line makeover, and a linebacker or two who can cover the middle.
Don't read this blog much, eh?
Your in the majority here.
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Keep Wade
Previously I would have said Wade should go, but he showed me something this year. I couldn’t stand all the excuse-making he does, and just his style in general. He didn’t seem the type of person that could command a room and get a team to play above their abilities.
However, if we can him, we can basically guarantee our defense takes a step back next year. Plus, the guys he’s drafted are starting to really come on. I’d see if we can build on this year.
I think we are just a flawed team at this point and the Vikings had the perfect personnel to expose it. The only silver lining today is that its obvious the o-line is a problem and we need some young blood. I think if the defense gets one more playmaker, they might be a truly dominant unit. Safety seems the best spot, we got solid play this year, but very few big plays from Sensi and Hamlin.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
You guys switching to a 3-4?
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 17, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
That's been a huge debate for us the last week
I think at times the Skins will be, but we’ll stay a 4-3. Hayesnworth publicly said he does not want to deal a 3-4. I can’t blame either. Him and Griffin demanding double teams scored the Redskins book-end 10+ sack DE’s…if it ain’t broke….
Another debate is London Fletcher is too small/old to play LB in a 3-4….not sure I totally agree, but with the current roster, I don’t see Redskins being a primary 3-4
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by Kevin Ewoldt on Jan 18, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions
Cool. Thanks.
I guess Orakpo gives you lineup options that don’t necessitate switching schemes on a full-time basis.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Not that you have a say, but don't go 3-4.
Back when it was just the Steelers and the Patriots running the system teams had their choice of players who were tweeners and wouldn’t work in the 4-3. Now so many teams are running it, there is just too much competition for quality players.
Not to mention, I really don’t like it for short yardage situations.
ESPN is reporting that Jerry said Wade is staying next year...
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+1
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2010 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
Hey Kevin. I haven't visited the skins site in a while.
Wade doesn’t seem to motivate the players into a high level of play, but relys on them to motivate themselves and to play disciplined football. I don’t like that style, but I think he is a fine coach, and I would prefer him to be our defensive coordinator and not head coach, but I really don’t want Garrett as our head coach, and I’m not sure there are any other options out there that I like better than Wade. Maybe if Jimmy Johnson were to return.
Jimmy Johnson was a rah-rah guy, and that worked out well
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
ROFLMAO - Jimmy was Rah-Rah up in your face! The players called him "jump-up Jimmy"
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+1
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
O-line changes will be tough
Unfortunately, other than Free, we don’t have any young guys ready to step up on the line. McQ and Proctor are JAGs and Holland is a journeyman. Brewster is an unknown. We won’t have the luxury to draft unpolished talent in the later rounds and wait for them to develop. We need to spend some first day picks on guys who can contribute next year. I’m thinking a 1st or a 2nd on a tackle and another high pick on a guard.
Who are the keepers on the current o-line? Gurode? Davis? Anybody study their performance this year?
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by cowboysuberfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:32 PM CST reply actions
To be honest with you, there isn't a single guy on the offensive line that gets me
excited. Maybe, I’m spoiled by the likes of Larry Allen and Erik Williams. But, to me, only Gurode and Davis are keepers. The other guys are OK, but not great.
by Mr._Mulligan on Jan 17, 2010 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
I'm afraid you might be right
While I love Davis’ power, his whiffs are a big part of why we can be a frustrating offense with big negative plays. Gurode seems pretty solid. He snapped fine this year, and we didn’t seem to be as confused by blitzes as in previous years.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
everyone is inconsistent
and that is what makes the O line so frustrating and so hard to fix.
Flo will be the man one week, and the next week struggle. Bigg will pancake guys, and then come up weak in short yardage. He actually seems better pulling which is bizarre for such a biggun
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 17, 2010 11:43 PM CST up reply actions
yeah and even Gurode and Bigg have their warts.
We’ll need youth and depth as Raf said. Free looks like a possibility and we’ll have to find out about Brewster in the offseason. Kosier and the tackles might need to be replaced.
I think we put Free in at RT
and try to get one more year out of Flozell. Maybe a new LG can be taken in the first or second round?
I’m hoping that in the first two rounds we get a G who can start this year and a tackle who can start in a year.
3rd round future FS, 4th round NT depth.
We will likely need a DE if Spears leaves – maybe Hatcher could start, but he sure hasn;t pushed too hard.
If Jerry can trade Bennett for a third rounder I wouldn’t complain.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 17, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'd draft a tackle first
I think you plug Free in at one of the tackles and bring in a top rookie to challenge the remaining vet, whether its Flo or Colombo. So far I like Bulaga from Iowa and Campbell from MD, which both might be available late in the 1st. I don’t think we can draft later and wait to groom. We need another tackle ready to play next year.
I’d then spend another top pick on a guard, either the 2nd or the 3rd.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
If you take Campbell from MD
you will be waiting. Tremendous upside but is very raw in technique. His draft position will depend a lot on the combine.
I'm hoping for a guy that could come in to compete for a starting position AND a development guy like him with potential.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions
I agree that they'll try to squeeze one more productive year out of Flo.
by Mr._Mulligan on Jan 17, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
he is still better than average
and I don’t think you want too much change. Draft a guard in the second round and plug him in between Flo and AG. Draft a tackle in the first round for next year.
Look at Oher this year – he was drafted fairly late and did fine.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 17, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Flo is a tough call
At this point he might be a progress stopper for Free, who is more suited to play LT. He’ll be 35 next year. Its tough because he played well down the stretch, but he had a lot of games where he looked like an old man out there.
I think we go in w/ Free at LT and Colombo and a 1st rd tackle fighting for the RT job.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
thats sounds possible to me
i remember there was a discussion 2 years ago if Flo should be brought back – people were concerned even back then about his declining play. I’m a fan of his but I think it may be time for the teal to move in a different direction.
that has no porpose
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
lol
It’s gotta be, cuz the Panthers are more of a powder blue.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
We had the same controversy when we cut Larry Allen
But it’s something that has to be done. Unfortunately we didn’t have anyone to step in for LA, but in Free we do have someone who can take Flo’s spot. Colombo is good, has his flaws, and wasn’t 100% the last 2 weeks (came back too early). So we need to draft or get a FA swing T. McQ hasn’t shown the coaches anything it appears.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
I see Free as a RT
but that decision will be made by better minds.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 17, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe you're right
I was just going on what Jerry and others have said. Either way, I think you go into the season w/ Free as a starting tackle, and then draft a young stud to challenge the other vet.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jan 18, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
The current staring tackles are under contract
If the team really wants to start Free they can keep a veteran on the roster as a backup. The season is uncapped and the team cannot afford to go into the season with a rookies and journeymen as the swing tackle.
Flo would be a good swing tackle as a backup
If his psyche could handle it.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jan 18, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions
as if I know
wrong as much as I’m right
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
Oher did a great job, but he is also mentally challenged.
Very low IQ, it just turns out that you don’t have to be that damn smart to play tack.e
im not too hopeful about that at all
his play declined this year. I know good LTs dont grow on trees but I dont think we can depend on him for much longer
I think you start him
but have his replacement in the chute if you need him
I would like to see Colombo dispatched and Free given the job. I think you need to show the young players you operate on merit, not tenure. Which also means cutting Roy
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 17, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Roy just didnt work out at all
yeah we’d definitely need a plan B if we go into next season with Flo as our starter
I think we will give Spears a tender offer
and no one will give up a 2nd let alone a 1st round pick for him to join their team. So Spears should be here next year.
NO!!!!
I’m tired of them pampering these players!! He gets a tough offer or nothing at all.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
LOL
The kind of offer that can kick his butt.
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
the coaches need to let the you OL guys play.
I’m getting tired of Davis missing blocks. He was supposed to overwhelm DLs but he misses blocks. Big contracts shouldn’t be the reason they start. Free should have started RT agaisnt Minn. Who knows what would’ve happened. Maybe he nuetralizes Edwards and Flo handles Allen. Get somebody to challenge the inside guys this offseason. Let Brewster and the other free agent start a few games in the preseason to see what they can do. Competiotion should be emphasized.
by beautifultyrant on Jan 18, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Roy Williams
I would honestly hope that Jerry pays him $9 million to play xbox instead of football. The guy is a loser who put up about 4 bagels this year.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 17, 2010 11:37 PM CST reply actions
how about this?
Keep him on the roster.
Prepare for next season like he won’t be around next season. [draft a WR in 2nd-4th rounds; maybe sign a veteran for depth]
Monitor how this affects RW. Either he’ll have that ‘woe is me, they’re gonna bench me or cut me’ attitude or he’ll work harder than ever to keep his spot as starting WR. Also, monitor the development of the chemistry with Romo. Make sure to get the top 5 WRs plenty of reps with Romo in the pre-season games.
If the effect is not favorable to the Cowboys, cut him in training camp or pre-season. Go into the season with Austin, Crayton. Ogletree, Hurd, rookie/FA as your WR corp.
I really really tried
To give Roy Williams the benefit of the doubt but our season is now over. He needs to go. If Jerry keeps him I won’t be convinced he’s “seen the light” Then again, Jerry wants to win real bad and sonny (Stephen) is less sentimental. I betcha we won’t see him in a Cowboy uniform again
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by dcfansinceiwasababy on Jan 17, 2010 11:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I reached that conclusion 8 games into the season...
by Mr._Mulligan on Jan 17, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Roy kills me
He just looks like a stud WR. He’s big and lanky and actually pretty fast. What I can’t figure is if he just plays for a paycheck or if he has some mental block. If its the former, we gotta let him go. But if its the latter, I’d hate to see him get out of his funk and play well for someone else. While I like Ogletree, I’m not as confident that he’s a starter caliber receiver as some of the other folks.
Miles and Wit are the top options, Crayton is great in the slot and Ogletree can take more snaps next year. Maybe Roy can find his hands again and become a solid contributor as a possession/red zone guy. Or maybe just blows and I should stop dreaming.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jan 17, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
He may produce somewhere else
but I don’t ever see it happening here.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see him producing somewhere else. He hasn't before, so why should it start now?
OK, he had one stinking 1000 yard season before. I don’t see that happening again.
by Mr._Mulligan on Jan 18, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Conspicuously missing from this conversation is Sam Hurd
And easily so. He disappeared altogether especially with RW around; if TO stunted player development, then so is RW and Hurd apparently is the primary victim.
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The discrepancy between the number of offensive TD's and total yardage is annoying
Is it just a result of bad red zone play?
Or is there more to it?
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I think our negative plays came at bad times
against a very aggressive defence
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 17, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Too many breakdowns
Our Oline is prone to penalties and was average at keeping Romo off his back, it was maybe 50/50 we could get a single yard on the goal-line, less big plays that score TDs than in previous years
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by nicholas.rodriguez on Jan 17, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Overall I think we would've jumped up 2 or 3 spots
In total Points if Folk was his previous self, we missed a total of what 12-14 FGs that 36-42 points… Folk was nearly 87% before this year so we would’ve had at least an extra 30 total points
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by nicholas.rodriguez on Jan 17, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not down on the Cowboys
I can still wear all my gear this Spring and Summer with pride.
We’re gonna kick more butt next season!
Good review Raf.
It was a good year overall that unfortunately ended the same way – with the Oline stinking it up.
In 05 we finish with Tucker and Pettiti crippling our offense.
In 06 we lose to Seattle in a game that’s remembered for Romo’s blunder but should also be remembered for poor Oline penalties and sacks ending drives at terrible times (Flow and Colombo).
In 07 we lose to the Giants as Umenyiora and Strahan abuse Flow and Colombo all over the field.
In 08 the season never got back on track after the Arizona game where Dallas (once again led by Flow and Colombo) get Romo hit a few dozens times until finally breaking a finger on his throwing hand.
And now 09 where I’ve never seen one player hurt a team so much as I saw Marc Colombo did to us today. Ray Edwards stat line; Five tackles, three sacks, four tackles for a loss, six quarterback hurries and a forced fumble. Luckily for us, Edwards sat out the forth quarter. Almost every major game changing negative play on offense when the game was still close came through Colombo.
I don’t even blame Colombo though. This wasn’t his fault at all. The guy should have never have started the game at all and whoever made the decision to start him should take all the blame for Marc’s obvious inability to keep up with Edwards. Doug Free, once he had a series to settle in did an admirable job up against a true All-Pro pass rusher like Jared Allen, and yet the coaches wouldn’t start him against the lesser Edwards over an obviously still hobbled Colombo. Terrible decision and one that easily as much as any cost us any chance at that game.
Don't know about your last comment
I was thinking the same thing after the 2nd series, where it was clear Colombo was getting overrun, and wondering if the team would consider putting Free back at RT with the season on the line.
Then, Flo got hurt, so Free had to play there. And that’s what happens on a team where you only have one quality backup. When you need two, you’re in for a looooong day.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 18, 2010 12:50 AM CST up reply actions
As it stands now Raf, what do you think they will do with the Oline?
Let Kosier walk and have Brewster and Holland/Preston battle for LG.
Bring back Flow and Colombo but genuinely let Doug Free and a First or Second Round Pick Tackle compete for their jobs in camp but no matter who wins keep all 4 on the roster.
Bring back Davis and Gurode as the starters but try to upgrade their backups (guys like Procter and McQuistan) with mid-round/late-round picks and/or mid-to-cheap free agents.
Maybe head into the 2010 season with something like;
LT – Flow / Rookie Tackle.
LG – Brewster / Holland.
C – Gurode / Preston.
RG – Davis / Rookie Guard.
RT – Free / Colombo.
Free will be an upgrade over Colombo and if Brewster is an upgrade over Kosier it could make a significant difference to our offense next year. It doesn’t seem an unreasonable projection.
how bout we trade Columbo
for a 7th rounder and a box of golfing tees. If we can’t swing it, just settle for the tees.
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Then he shouldn't have been starting...
That’s the bottom line. You perform up to expectations or you sit. Unless your back up is god awful and even hurt you are better than them.
maybe he should not have been
it’s a moot point.
Once Adams gets hurt, Free moves to LT and Colombo goes to RT.
Going into the game, they probably thought Colombo offered the OLine the physical presence it needed to match up with that of Minny's Dline.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
If Brewster or Holland beat out Kosier...
personally I’d be surprised, especially Holland. He’s a huge chunk of lard and I don’t see him pulling on sweeps to the edge and getting there before the RB does.
Holland was inactive for 16 games
hard to imagine him getting the nod
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Plus he's a UFA, so they'd have to re-sign him.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
I agree on Holland
But I think it’s possible that we’ll have another low cost veteran like Holland though brought in to compete with Brewster for LG.
Usually just a swing guy.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
I read Raf's post to say that we should of had two OTs ready to come in.
But I didn’t think most teams would have that.
This team should, especially with Colombo coming off injury and Flo playing the Jackie Slater role.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
That's why it good to have OL players who can play 2 positions
C/G, G/T
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Colombo played about as poorly as you can
I honestly can’t remember a time seeing a lineman get so thoroughly dominated. Edwards literally beat him every time Romo dropped back.
My question is, why didn’t we give him some help? Chip w/ a back, put Marcellus over there, do something.
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by cowboysuberfan on Jan 18, 2010 12:09 AM CST reply actions
+1
I made a painful attempt to watch things again, and he was just dominated. Had Flozell not been injured and Free put in his place, Free surely would have replaced Colombo at some point. He had a pretty pedestrian game last Sunday, and the coaches horribly overestimated his condition.
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by Lord Humungus on Jan 18, 2010 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
but when Colombo is healthy, he could be the starting RT on many teams in the NFL. He is no fluke.
overestimation indeed
he may have been healthy, but wasn’t ready. You need games to work out the ring rust.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
The Seattle game should also be remembered for
a game plan that didn’t include attacking a loan officer in the secondary.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 12:10 AM CST reply actions
TO and Terry Glenn against the loan officer
Round 1 = Loan Officer!
Didn’t he even have a pick in that game!? Hahaha…
That was Sean Payton too. Imagine if that happened to Garrett, I think I’d fear for his safety.
Parcells set an ultra conservative tone
he is a better coach of a bad team than a good team in some ways
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe...
But that team had many chances to win that game and the players just flat out threw it away.
Sean Payton wasn't here then.......
he was already at New Orleans. In fact, that was the year that they played Chicago for the NFC Championship.
Payton was the coach of the Saints that year...
The year before we was our offensive coordinator. I think Sparano might have been the offensive coordinator.
I remember it as a game where Dallas had no secondary.
that was an awful secondary and Roy WIllie played maybe his worst game of his Cowboys career, and there are a few to choose from. He gave up all of Seattle’s big plays blowing coverages. Jerramy Stevens couldn’t catch a cold but he destroyed Roy in that game.
Remember, that team allowed 33 ppg. that December. Parcells didn’t attack the loan officer because he feared getting into a shootout, because he didn’t think he could stop such an attack. He almost got away with it.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 18, 2010 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
Thong was at his worst for sure.
Glenn’s fumble into the end zone really killed us too.
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90% of Americans say 'OH SHIT!' before going into the ditch on a slippery road.
The other 10% are from TEXAS and they say, 'HOLD MY BEER AND WATCH THIS!!!'
But when your opponent is missing their top 3 CBs
shouldn’t you attack their secondary?
I also remember Parcells changing to the 3-4, but us not really getting much pressure on the opposing QB. That will kill a secondary. That’s where Phillips’ system has been light years ahead of what was here before.
Personnel, people personnel
Dallas had one healthy CB that year in December. And two Ss, Roy and Keith Davis, who could not cover anything.
That will get you killed.
I can't believe Parcells would tactically decide to slow down a game when
we overmatched them on paper like that. Do you have an article to site, because that would completely change my opinion of Parcells’s tenure in Dallas.
Raf wrote about this back in 06
we also had big problems in our secondary too. It was the year the NO blew us out by just passing in the big doughnut hole that was our secondary.
Parcells ALWAYS coached to win games 17-14
people hated that.
Totally agree! He always has coached being afraid to lose rather than trying to win
When in doubt, empty your magazine
unfortunately he coached to win 17-14
even if he was up 17-0.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the pre-game hype had me believing we would be throwing deep every play...
and either they covered really well, or our WR’s sucked. Heck, it was probably both.
Oh, well, I've still got 3 games on TIVO
of Dallas kicking Philly’s butt all over the field – that’s all I’ll need to cure off-season blues.
The really disappointing part of today
is that the unit that let us down (the o-line) has been the unit that has in my mind been the most culpable in our last two season-ending losses (2008 Philly and 2007 NYG). You would think that Jerry the GM would have made some moves to fix this. Granted, he has tried a little with the Brewster pick last year, but in no way has that been enough to fix what definitely seems to be the unit that is holding this team back. Hopefully Jerry takes a hard look at this team in the offseason and realizes that the o-line is the first place to start. For me, I really only think that Bigg and Gurode are for sure keepers due to Flozell’s age, Colombo’s inconsistency, and Kosier’s inconsistency. Now obviously I don’t want to overreact and demand three new starters for the sake of having 3 new starters, but it is undeniable that some changes have to be made.
The first change is the easiest and it involves picking penciling Free in on the o-line at either tackle position. From there, Dallas should definitely draft some lineman and maybe even pursue any free agents that may unexpectedly come available (although it is highly doubtful that that will happen). Dallas should even maybe explore trading for a more known commodity similar to how Philly did with Jason Peters. Whatever Dallas does though, I think this offseason should definitely center around getting a better offensive line unit together.
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Dallas Must Pursue A Trade, Free Agency and Draft for Oline Repair
Flo has to go and go now. He is hobbled and this is not going to get better. He will always be prone to injuries that take him out at critical times. He is too inconsistent anyway. So, what to do? Package Hatcher, Ogletree, Bowen and send a pick to Tampa for Donald Penn. Draft a LT as well in round one. Bulaga from Iowa or another similarly talented LT would be available at the end of round one. That would give us three spots to develop at LT, with Penn and Free the challengers for the starting spot. If Penn comes through, then Free can challenge Colombo. Then I would find a veteran center to replace Gurode. This would move Gurode to the swing guard spot and let him challenge Kozier.
How do you know Tampa will trade Penn?
Is he on the trading block or are you guessing?
Penn Is a Restricted Free Agent
I have no knowledge they would trade him but there is information – kind of like what you hear about Wilfork – that there is a huge gap between demands and expectations. If not Penn, there are likely others; the point is that letting Flo go means we need something solid besides Free to plug into the spot.
Actually Penn is One of the CBA limbo FA
I think he would otherwise be free but for the uncapped year; I need to check on this.
Why would Tampa, who has lots of cap room and little talent
let one of their building blocks go?
LTs of any quality don’t hit the market unless their team’s front office goes brain dead. And when they become available, they cost you a lot. Look at Jason Peters. Cost Philly a 1st and a 4th? and they think he was a bargain.
I can’t see Penn leaving Tampa under any circumstances.
He's a free agent at the 4 year mark, but without a new CBA...
he will get a high tender offer and he’s not going anywhere.
Why not Free? He showed Sun he can play LT and he definitely showed he can play RT
When in doubt, empty your magazine
It needs to be done.
Free needs to be starting, at RT. Colombo just does not have the lateral quickness to deal with speed rushers. Flozell seems to be ok, and can probably last another season.. I’d like to see us get a good OT high in the draft to replace Flozell after 2010. Then we can either move Free to LT, depending on where the new player would fit. We already have brewster, so he can challance Kosieer next year (note taht Kosier is often seen by scouts as the Cowboys’ most consistent OL). that leaves Gurorde and Davis.
This Still Leaves a Problem Area Thin
We have no backup or challenger to Gurode at center. We have no swing tackle and no capable backup at LT if Free were to start. Oline has been a problem for years now; we need to attack this problem with all resources.
the really disappointing part of today...
is that this team did just enough to ensure the the status quo will remain…
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
The thing is though that I think the status quo isn't too bad...
The overall changes I would make are:
O-Line – Definitely needs changing as described above
RB- I would say goodbye to Barber and look at bringing in a RB from the later rounds
WR- We need to get another speedy playmaker on this offense in the middle to upper rounds
LB- Definitely got to let our younger guys (Williams, Hodge) compete to try to add speed
S- I still am open to going after a playmaking safety to make our defense even better
Overall, I don’t think these changes are huge (except for the O-line), but I do think they would definitely improve this team going forward and give us a shot at #6 next year.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Jan 18, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Your right .. it isn't too bad
I would say pretty good even.
Everyone is assuming that this is just the start of a great run. I don’t think any such assumptions can be made. There is just as good an argument that this is the best it gets. The Cowboys (once again as in 2007) were relatively injury free going into yesterday’s game. Last year proved how hard it is to be that lucky two seasons in a row. And even the biggest of homers will tell you its all about injuries (at least that was the excuse last season).
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
3 new starters for the sake of 3 new starters CAN'T do much worse than
what we saw yesterday. So I’m in favor of that, but give the guys a ton of reps together. It takes a ton of effort for them to develop chemistry.
I still would like to know why JG relied more on Barber than FJ?
Someone mentioned FJ being injured but I never heard any official report of an injury. He looked fine to me and he ran great while given a chance to play. He made great runs and cuts and was making the defenders miss. Assuming he wasn’t injured, why in hell wouldn’t you use him? He’s the home run threat. He could have easlily taken the pressure off of Romo and allowed our O Line to gain confidence by punching it down the field and scoring. It simply makes no sense to keep your best RB on the bench and use a banged up Marion Barber with a bad knee in a playoff game where your running game would have helped you.
I’m really puzzled by JG’s thought process here.
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Felix did have almost twice as many carries as Barber
the one and only rotation I question was that crazy naked pitch to Barber at the start of the 3rd.
It works because your back and outspeed the end to the corner. It worked with Austin earlier in the game and it worked with Jones in weeks past.
Barber can’t beat a good end or OLB to the corner in his condition and he wasn’t going to beat Ray Edwards on a day like Edwards was having.
That play was the same as a sack. Put them in 2nd and long and they have not been able to convert those all year long.
was that an audible?
not often you drop 7 on a run play
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
Yes
It looked like Romo audibled.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 18, 2010 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
I read that he said it was an audible
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2010 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
hey Raf... was FJ injured at all?
It just seems that at some point in the first half, FJ was taken out after a good run and not seen again for some time in the second half. They just went away from him and abandoned his running game for a passing offense that, for all intense and purpose was being annihlated by their front four.
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and btw Raf, just wanted to say....
great job with the blog this year. I found you guys for the first time this season and its been outstanding. You guys are the best around and even better than the DMN reporters. Your analysis is always spot on and I have looked forward to reading all of your posts after every game. Look forward to reading your thoughts about the offseason.
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+1000
I’ve enjoyed Rafs articles along with Mikes and Daves..and I’ve enjoyed talking with you footbball fans out here..most of you are a great bunch of folks to mingle with, and I pretty much only post on this site and mine..and only post something when I determine there are no morons blogging on it…that post-game thread yesterday, I read it and decided not to participate in that horseshit..I waited for this one to open up before giving my opinions on this game..Y’all can agree or disagree with me and in many cases rightly so, but you’ll never hear me say I hate this team or that team..that is nonsense…I haven’t concluded I am an asshole yet.
appreciate the moron-dodging
it’s an unfortunate condition of all fan bases.
the line between winning it all and sitting here is small. If Favre tells Childress to pound sand in August, he’s on a hot seat cause he took all that talent into another season with Tavaris Jackson. And he better win it all now that he’s in the habit of talking big and throwing garbage time TDs he better close the sale, cause the second Favre leaves, which could be next week, he’s back to being 10-6 and one and out.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 18, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
If that good of a record.
Once Favre is gone, Vikes will be on the level with Chicago. Great defense and no offense outside of the running back. BTW how many yards did AP end up with?
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No, they have a ton of talent. I stick with 10-6
they have receiving weapons. Rice was nobody last year and now he’s a killer. Harvin is a killer. They’re not just Peterson any more.
And like the Quincy Carter Cowboys of ’03, Tarvaris Jackson got them to the playoffs last year, and then lost.
worse than 10-6
I agree though – he hitched his wagon on Favre and has nothing left behind him. If Favre leaves, Minnesotta colapses and you, again, have a talented team with no QB.
I for one am pulling for NO, so tired am I of Favre.
by AustonianAggie on Jan 18, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
i haven't seen the stats from the game but it seemed like FJ disappeared in the 2nd quarter and didn't appear again until it was too late.
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in what sense did he rely more on Barber
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 1:18 AM CST up reply actions
it seems obvious to me that he ran barber more then FJ and while FJ made some great runs, Barber was hampered by a knee injury
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
14 carries by Felix, 8 by Barber
not obvious to me.
How did he rely more on Barber? I really don’t get that.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
well...whether or not he did get more runs than Barber, the fact remains, they did get away from the running game.
And my point is, FJ was making some great runs and while he was in, was making strides on getting the offense going and driving down the field. It just seemed as though after a little momentum was made with a Felix run, he was taken out of the game only to be replaced by Barber or for a non-existant passing game.
Had they stayed with Felix a little longer, his running abilities may have made a difference to the outcome of the game IMHO.
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I Wonder If MBIII Pitch Wide on First Down
. . . was actually an audible from Tony Romo? We had just made two great running plays off the B gaps and had a first down well inside Viking territory . . . then boom, a loss of 7 with MBIII going wide to the right side. It sure looked like Tony checked off into this play.
We'd have to watch coaches tape to find out.
The TV cameras rarely got off the shot of the Viking stampede that happened nearly every pass play.
WR had seperation
but Romo had no time to get them the ball.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 18, 2010 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
And the Plays Were Not Designed to Get the Ball out Quickly
Too many of our negative plays were deeper drops by Romo; why not more slants, and arching timing patterns?
Per the Fox announcers the WR were running wide open all day long.
But there just wasn’t enough time for Tony to get the ball to them, let alone read the play.
A couple of thoughts..
Sensabaugh should have had an easy pick or worse case a knock-down on that throw to Rice..He wasn’t playing the ball at all..The Cowboys secondary never showed up today. Leading up to this game I thought and stated that Flozell would be key..Unfortunately, he got hurt and the O-line suffered badly for it..I don’t know how bad Barber is hurt, so I’ll cut him some slack..but he was awful..I thought Roy Williams needed to have a good game, but he never showed up or was not part of the game-plan from the start..It is time for some of these guys to go..I can’t criticise the D-line and LBs because they held Peterson in check, but frankly that secondary stunk..Favre was getting hounded all-game but he kept getting up and chucking the ball. That last pass for a touchdown didn’t bother me at all and I didn’t consider it a blatant attempt to run up the score..If your defensive backs are not playing that is going to happen..anything Favre got airborne was getting caught…I also feel that one of my favorite players, Crayton wasn’t even in the program..How can you not zero in on a guy that got you there?..They knew all they had to do was cover Austin and Witten, so why the heck didn’t they try to get the rock to Crayton?..and what about Choice?..where the hell was he?..That game-plan was a well scripted disaster..and I hate bashing Romo, but he didn’t do a very good job today, now that was either on him or it could have been plain old poor play calling..I don’t know…What I do know is there are certain players on that team that need to either go or need some re-vamping:
The secondary is not good
The O-line needs new blood
Williams needs a pink-slip – He could have been a difference maker
Barber is either hurt or he’s played out
Romo still needs to learn how to take over control of the game
Garrett is not a genious – His plan was awful
..and the worst thing about this is they let Wade Phillips down..this is probably his last game as HC of the Cowboys.
I was going to make a comment on the other blog, but there were too many trolls on it rubbing your noses in the mud so I decided to put my thoughts on here..The things that got the Cowboys in this tournament were completely non-existent in their approach to this game..Now we have no NFC East team left..When I watched the Jets beat the Chargers it only made me sicker..I thought, how in the hell can the Jets pull that off with a rookie Coach and a rookie QB?..The only answer is the desire to achieve..The Cowboys got beat by a 40 year old guy who still has an arm, but who’s bones ache..but he still has that fire inside of him and that is something a coach can’t teach…and an owner can’t buy.
The secondary is not good
They are very good. Just struggled this game.
Barber is either hurt or he’s played out
He has played since September with a calf tear.
Romo still needs to learn how to take over control of the game
Garrett is not a genious – His plan was awful
Garrett didn’t plan for Flo’s injury or for our line not to be able to block anything. Same with Romo, you cannot take control of a game if you are on your back every second play.
this is probably his last game as HC of the Cowboys.
I very much doubt that.
The Cowboys got beat by a 40 year old guy who still has an arm, but who’s bones ache..but he still has that fire inside of him and that is something a coach can’t teach…and an owner can’t buy.
Simply wishful thinking. We lost today because our o-line is subpar. Something that Romo and Garrett have done a great job all year in disguising. It is not a lack of desire or passion, and any argument for the contrary would be plain wrong.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 18, 2010 5:00 AM CST up reply actions
Some people are just sad and if they aren't rebuilding they aren't happy.
Maybe that explains divorce rates.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
The Cowboys don't need re-building at all..Maybe a new marriage I don't know..lol
But if they opt for a new bride they better be careful !!
Some of your points are spot on
Roy W must go. Romo played below par. Sure he was mauled but the interception and two fumbles were just bad plays by Romo. Safties for Dallas mostly suck and are inconsistent. TNewman failed to hit the receiver on the first pass play. Garrett game plans are too intricate and complicated; he forgets this is football, not some computerized chess game.
Witten wiffing was not a bad play by Tony.
The other fumble was a good strip not negligence on Tony’s part. The int, yeah, that was all Tony. I’m not Terry, but Tony had really no help yesterday, outside of the running game.
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Aikman theorized that Tony never saw the defender
because a collapsing pocket hindered his view, and I would agree with that, not that it excuses nor soothes the result of his little Hail Mary.
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I can go for that.
But, to beat Tony up for this debacle as some are doing is insane. We just got beat down on an off night for the whole team. It looked like they were slipped a “Mickey” in the locker room. Our coaches got “Schooled”.
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That's why I said I hate to bash on Romo..He had a bad day let's face it..
But the rest of the team had far worse.. But alot of you folks and the trolls will have a field day dissing him for it.and he knows it is coming..whatever that was that Favre said to him in both ear-holes after the game, I’m sure was good encouragment..It wasn’t “nice game” jazz… I’ll just feel bad for the kid AGAIN…and last I checked there is still 11 guys on that field..I am not going to knock a guy for trying and he was the only player that seemed to give a damn..and not getting the ball to Crayton just gives me a bum stomach..That is play-calling and coaching not the QB..
Romo was responsible for 3 turnovers....cant deny that and that can't happen if you want to win a game like that on the road
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He had help on one, a good defensive play on another, and brainfart on the third.
Bash Romo all you want the entire team stayed on the bus yesterday.
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take care of the football thats his job....he didnt do it plain and simple...
agreed that alot of people had roles in that disaster yesterday, but you cant have turnovers period…
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You are right.
But put it this way. What if Witten doesn’t wiff? What if the Offensive line had actually blocked some one? Romo doesn’t stripped from his blind side. Romo doesn’t get stripped from behind while running for his life. Romo doesn’t have to throw a desperation attempt because he is living in a pressure cooker with the heat up to nuclear meltdown. In the end we are gonna agree on the turnover part, and disagree on the causes.
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Witten on Allen was a bad mismatch to begin with..
When Romo scrambled he needed to take care of the ball and didnt. The INT was just a bone head play and shouldve taken the sack instead of throwing that pass…the LB was eyeing that pass all day. I understand he was under duress, but its his job to hold onto the football when he is getting sacked or scrambling with the football. It was just classic Romo and something he has had a problem with since day 1. He was doing great as of late, but had a relapse yesterday. He by no means was responsible for the loss, but he had a role in it. Without the TO’s we had a better chance of staying in the game than with them.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Agreed
That first fumble was mind boggling. He seemed to have the ball secured and then fumbled right before he was down. On his INT, even if he wanted Crayton to turn out, he still didn’t see the LB who INT it. His 2nd fumble was not his fault, he just got rocked from the blindside.
That being said, I’m not pinning this loss all on Romo. He improved by leaps and bounds this year, putting up career numbers without TO (which many critics doubted he could do, that this would be more of a grind and run team). He should be even better with another year in this system and the same weapons around him.
Without him trying to make something happen
we had ZERO chance in the game.
That's a myopic and ignorant statement.
You are looking at this as if it is way to black and white. The first fumble could have been overturned on a challenge, but it wasn’t worth the possibility of losing a time out, and losing a challenge so early in the game, and the 2nd fumble is a factor of the defense getting to the QB. Sure he seems to lose ball when hit from behind more often than other QB’s, but there is a certain trust factor in protection. I’ve already discussed the pic and I don’t want to rehash that again, but I would sincerely suggest that you look at the big picture and not be so black and white.
I'd say 2
Its SERIOUSLY hard to blame him for Witten on Allen play. He wa hit immediately. In a loud dome where you can’t hear guys around you, i can’t blame him for that.
The INT was awful. The one on the first drive – whatever, he tried to tuck it. Sometimes that just happens, guys get lucky/unlucky.
Well let's see,
He was assigned to take Allen, he got nothing on the block and Allen stripped Romo from the blind side. What part of this is Romo’s fault vs Witten’s? And since Witten said “That was my fault”, I sort of have to disagree with you.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
yeah I dont think you can blame Tony on that fumble
he was about to throw the ball when Allen hit him. Its kinda hard to hold on to the rock when you,re about to throw it and you get hit from behind
It's fun and all
to blame Romo for all that, but there ins’t a QB in football who could have taken charge of that hot, sh***y mess of an o-line out there. Simply not possible. In most games Romo dodges one free runner and makes the play. The Vikes were getting two and three free runners at a time. There was no time to set the feet or look down field, let alone throw accurately. No he should not have thrown the sidearm attempt to Crayton because he knew he couldn’t see the field properly, but when you have to make plays, sometimes you press.
One fumble he had two hands on the ball but got stripped as he was going down and the other was Witten’s fault – when it’s blind side from a double team, it’s not Romo’s issue.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Well said
I’m sure Romo was absolutely trying to be careful with ball, but at a certain point you have to try and make a play. I sure don’t blame the guy for trying.
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
The secondary is not good – they held Harvin to 1 yd, Shiancoe to 1 catch in garbage time, Berrian put up DeSean numbers yeah that`s right 3 catches for 32 yds, only Rice hurt us but he`s the next Fitz and on 2 of his td`s the coverage was in his back pocket and the 2nd td he cut blocked DWare but it was n`t called plus it`s hard to cover a guy who`s rolling on the ground 1 sec and making a bee line to the endzone half a second later.
The O-line needs new blood – yep we do but it seems we run blocked fairly well against a D that`s known to stop the run though we should have tried to string them out more on the peremiter and not attack that middle as much. Flo has 1 more yr in him and Free is a good backup if needed as he dominated Allen yesterday.
Williams needs a pink-slip – He more than likely gets 1 more yr but they really need to simplify the Offense for him he should run slants all day and if the defense commits to him you can throw underneath to Crayton Witten or Felix.
Barber is either hurt or he’s played out needs to be used the same as when we had…gag Julius he should get is first carry in quarter 4.
Romo still needs to learn how to take over control of the game- Romo was money all yr but credit the Vikes on the pressure they applied.
Garrett is not a genious – can`t argue there they make some strange calls but it`s easy from the living room.
Zig..they gave up four touchdown passes..but
Your right..Rice should’ve gotten flagged for that block on D-ware..These officials cannot be relied on anymore..they call whatever the mood strikes them..that play cost 6 points.
Two of them when they were looking for the Vikes to try to run the clock out.
Not saying Wade and company didn’t get taken to the woodshed, but some of their best plays were when it was all done.
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Unless he's watching the Cowboys.
Well..
You guys certainly know better/more about your team than I do..I just conveyed what I saw and I wanted to convey it in a clean blog with no trolls lurking. I’ll stick by what I said..and I mean no dis-respect..
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RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2010 12:46 AM CST up reply actions
Romo got murdered by a bunch of turd slugs up front
Again. When is Jerry going to bother investing high draft picks in big guys to keep Romo’s jersey clean?
He has this bizzare fetish about drafting tight ends and linebackers.
I hear he’s undergoing therapy sessions to curtail his deviant desires.
But don’t be shocked when the Cowboys select Aaron Hernandez 27th overall.
Oh, I fully expect them to draft a DE or S in round one
and there’s nothing crazy about it.
that’s where the talent is. Dallas drafts what, 27th? The top 4 or 5 OTs will be off the board by that time. I haven’t seen a G who deserves a 1st round pick in a while and there are no Alex Macks in this draft, guys who make you think C/G in the late 1st.
This draft is deep, deep, deep at DL and S. Dallas needs both.
BTW, this team has taken a ton of OL in the 2nd and 3rd. Problem was, all of Parcells’ high OL picks busted out. Free is the only guy from the Tuna-Ireland years to hit.
by Rafael Vela on Jan 18, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
Safety certainly makes sense.
I was unsure about the need for a 3-4 DE. 3-4 DE early is fine. I just got baffled by all those goofy mock drafts that have them selecting Mount Cody with their first rounder.
As for all the busts along the OL, what are you going to do? They still have to draft a few. While on the topic, if Free had to replace Flozell at LT is there any chance Leonard Davis would play RT if Brewster wasn’t catching on quickly enough?
Spears
Raf – do you think they resign him?
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yet
Peterman (is that his name?) starts for the Lions and Lehr started for another team too. I don’t remember if Lehr was a parcells pick actually, probably not.
Is it possibly that we don’t give these guys long enough to develop? I know you know far more about these situations than me.
I think Lehr starts for Atlanta.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
A Safety in the 1st
That’s kind of interesting. Who did you have in mind? The kid from So.FL?
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
The Vikings seem to have a read on almost everything the Cowboys were running...
It was almost as if they had an extra week to prepare.
Oh wait. They did have an extra week to prepare.
I know recent trends have favored teams coming out of the wild card round but if you look at the overall history of the NFL, the teams with first round byes tend to dominate the divisional round. It certainly looked like a return to the norm this past weekend with the bye teams winning 3 out of the 4 match ups.
IMHO, yesterday’s game is where some earlier losses that should have been wins (either Giant’s game, Denver, San Diego) really hurt Dallas. Those losses cost them a chance at a bye and the extra week to rest & prepare.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
I was thinking about that extra week to prepare thing, but I'm sure Dallas had already scouted Minnesota.
Having to play Philly two weeks in a row could have afforded them the luxury to have some coaches start preparing for the Vikings. Nevertheless, the players weren’t practicing for the Vikes so it didn’t matter much.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
mixed emotions about having the extra week off..Good for healing up but generally bad from a momentum
standpoint..but your right this year..the teams that had the extra week pretty much came through..The Colts looked rusty..the Jets got lucky..The Vikings I would swear had to be in the film room with the Cowboys ..and I don’t buy that “Secondary is good, just had a bad day” jazz..they were awful..period..and where were the screens and swing passes?..Roy Williams is just a high-paid body out there..useless…and when a guy is breathing down your QBs neck there is a thing called yelling for him to watch out..I played this game as I’m sure alot of you did..you never leave your QB s butt flapping in the breeze.
I know it's hard to defend the secondary play after that game
But really, they are the best group Dallas has had in a long time, and up until that game they were playing outstanding.
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
i put the loss on garrett. he got the best he could out of this bunch? then why not try a damn screen play? why not run the ball more? probably wouldnt have won the game but at least freaking try… the cowboys had to do something to slow down the pass rush, this was obvious to EVERYBODY. but they just kept droping back and letting the flood gates open.
it just really burns me that this game wasn’t even competitive. we may not be the best team but god damn the vikings aren’t that good either. and stop putting the damn blame on the kicker. EVERYBODY knows those kicks were out of this range for making it with any consistency OR ELSE HE WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN CUT FROM THIS TEAM IN THE FIRST PLACE. i feel like dennis green here. who’s call was it to go for those fieldgoals anyways? garret or wade? those were terrible gametime deicisions ala andy reid.
by DavidLaFleur on Jan 18, 2010 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
He had enough leg, so they were in range.
He just sucks.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
wrong. having the leg doesnt mean having the leg to kick it accurately. if thats all you need we could of had buehler or heck even mcbriar be our kicker.
by DavidLaFleur on Jan 18, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Well, you would think that your kicker can make a 48-yarder.
The first miss was early in the game on a 4th-and-short. Could they have gone for it? Yes, but it was early in the game and they were probably just trying to get points up.
The second miss was on a 4th-and-18. The way the defense was chewing up Dallas’ O-line, no way should they have risked going for it.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of kickers, what about that Nate Kaeding?
Currently the most accurate kicker in NFL history (regular season naturally) but only 3-of-9 in the playoffs. And he really turns twinkle-toed against the Jets who he missed an OT game-winner against in the ’05 playoffs.
Like I always say kickers are snakes. Throw all the accuracy stats out the window; eventually they will screw you if you put yourself in that position enough.
Nate: Someone needs to check his bank account
and see if he has any recent trips to Vegas. That last miss was just terrible.
And he did the exact same thing against New York what, three years ago?
the guy has a history of turning to jello in the playoffs.
That’s a bad mark to carry. he’s the anti-Vinagtieri.
Is that the same guy that got Schottenheimer fired?
Friggin amazing.
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
It was further back than that.
’05 playoffs when Brees led them to the Division Title.
But that whole game was funky. The Chargers only scored the game-tying TD with 16 seconds left in regulation after one of the Jet defenders got slapped with one of those ticky tack roughing the passer penalties where he “slapped” Brees upside the helmet just as Brees had thrown incomplete on 4th-and-2.
But what happened to the Jets against the Steelers the following weekend was even more hilarious as their very own idiot kicker Doug Brien missed not one but two field goals (47, 43 yards) in the final two minutes of regulation leading to them losing in overtime.
And yes, I think they should've went for it on that first possession.
Their winning streak has been about setting the tone early.
Just seems like this whole year has been a down year for all kickers...
I agree your kicker should make a 48 yarder, especially indoors. But when you have a shaky kicker and a 4th and short, you have to go for it. I understand wanting to get points up early, but you have to factor in your kicker.
interesting perspective
“the vikings aren’t that good either” Perhaps you didn’t watch the game. But they keep score in these affairs, and the Vikings appear to be 11x better than the Cowboys.
calling for field goals on 4th down is a bad idea? On 3rd down, maybe.
Screen plays
How are the linemen supposed to pull when they barely had time to protect against a 4-man rush? The Vikings DBs are sure tacklers, unlike Philly’s, which negates the use of screens. Combine that with the negative plays, screens and running plays just weren’t options that could have helped.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
well you are right about their dbs but i dont think their defensive line is the reason we cant run a screen. howcome they had a fullback or halfback diving at wares knees on every play yet i didnt notice the same thing against either of their ends?
“Combine that with the negative plays, screens and running plays just weren’t options that could have helped.”
uh but droping back and getting sacked does help? where were the bootlegs? i just dont think they tried enough. i wish i could find that one quote…it goes something like “insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results”
by DavidLaFleur on Jan 18, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know where the bootlegs were, but they don't run those often anyways.
It’s not like they (the coaches) just conceded that their linemen wouldn’t block. They had to give them a chance and hope they could hold up so that they could run their gameplan. The running game was starting to take off, but it just takes one negative play to force them back into have to pass. That’s how you beat Dallas.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
i hear ya, but i just dont buy into it. yea it would be great to not have any negative plays, but the way the game was going i think the sacks and pressures were worse than running for a 2 yard loss. and never forget that we do have 4 downs to make the first. but i guess the bottom line is we got beat by a better team. i just refuse to believe that they were that much better than us.
by DavidLaFleur on Jan 18, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
your contention is
that running for a two yard loss is a better result than dealing with a quarterback pressure?
Please explain.
See the Jets.
Ravens.
When you have a defense that can hold teams you can play that way.
Now our offense is better than both of those teams but both have made it to AFC Championship games playing that way.
Jimmy Johnson used to do it all the time against the Eagles all the time at the vet.
He played field position. Knowing the Eagles could not score unless his offense made a mistake.
If you run instead of fumbling like Romo did the score is still 3-3 instead of 17-3.
See the Jets yesterday.
by Sharksbreath on Jan 18, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Awww
Glad to see my favorite poster is back.
Have any other asinine statements to make?
HEY we can probably fix the entire team by trading for Desean Jackson!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jan 18, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Why's he on the trading block?
Did he punch Andy Reid in the belly or something? Isn’t that what led to Steve Smith being traded to the Cowboys? Oh wait, that never happened despite assurances from a Panthers insider I know that it would.
Both of those teams you cite have big YOUNG OLs who can pound
Perhaps you’ve noticed, after 17 games, that this OL does not do that?
So, in a playoff game, you want them to suddenly re-invest themselves?
by Rafael Vela on Jan 18, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
and in case you didn't notice
the Vikings got to 14-3, all by themselves, you know, driving the ball?
No Romo help involved.
But when has reality ever invaded one of your rants?
by Rafael Vela on Jan 18, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
He did run some screens.
Bennet got blown up on one, and Barber got knocked for a loss on another.
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Unless he's watching the Cowboys.
Well...
They did try a couple but gave up too fast and they threw them to the wrong guys..The Vikes were tucked inside the whole game..and all the Cowboys tried was off-tackle runs..I would have liked to see some quick-outs to Austin and Crayton..and not enough play-action routines in there..
i dont recall the screens, even while watching the game i asked in our thread if one had been called but never noticed the reply. but ok running the screen to a couple of slow bums is a great idea. you need speed to burn them and slow down the rush, same reason why all of wittens catches did no good, hes not a threat.
Yup.
Not a fan of Barber and Bennett on screen plays…maybe if you’re ahead but not trying to catch up.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Yep...
especially like someone said earlier, when Vikes were getting pressure with front four and not blitzing. Tough to run screens against that.
I thought it was interesting that Phillips played so well recently, yet Bennett was out there. Maybe Bennett’s a better blocker? I don’t know.
Bennett is, by far,
a better tweeter than Phillips.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
I remember screens being tried and failing miserably
including some where Romo didn’t even throw the ball and had to rethink fast because the screen wasn’t there.
In the minority, I agree with you on the FG’s. They were indoors, but still, those were almost 50-yarders!
I definitely think they should have played field position both times-No way they should have handed the ball to the Vikings at basically the 50 yard line.
Especially the second one, after seeing one miss already!
However, it wouldn’t mean a win instead of a loss-but they could have kept it closer.
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by Realist Larry on Jan 18, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
The early checkdown to Felix was nice, but that was before Romo was wearing purple.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think they should've gone for it the first and punted the second.
No way I trust suisham on long field goals.
We only have one unrestricted Free Agent:
Montrae Holland
As Raf said continuity is key.
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Cowboys just need to keep getting better and build on this season
I think this team is really close to being a SB caliber team, we just to improve on a few areas and get home field advantage in the playoffs, playing the Vikes at home was really tough, they look unbeatable in their dome.
We just ran into a buzzsaw and that happens sometimes. The loss hurts, but Cowboys fans should be happy since the team is heading in the right direction.
In Romo we Trust
Indeed.
I like what Romo said after the game.
“Even if you win the SuperBowl, there’s still building to do.”
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Pam?
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
That was a rude shot by Pam
I’d turn it around – “Well Pam, what do you know first hand of football at all? Why exactly do they have you covering it? Because you look better than Tony Kornheiser is my guess. What say you Pammy? Better to be pretty than smart??”
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
She's sassy
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
DCFanatic
I haven’t been able to get there since the game. Is anybody else having the same issue?
Yeah, shango, DC are on the same main site and both are out. I wonder if they are taking a bit of a break considering how the game went.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I am really really disappointed
but not just about the Cowboy’s loss to the Vikings team. Heck, I halfways expected it, everyone was saying we were somewhat evenly matched.
My biggest disappointment is how I now feel about Brett Favre. I liked him as a player and a person, now I don’t. His character is now suspect with me. You can’t help but notice that big chip on his shoulder, like he’s pissed off at a lot of people, Cowboys organization included. Frankly, it’s tarnishing his legacy and reputation, at least for this pro football fan. I don’t like him anymore, and I’m terribly sad to say it.
I planned to pull for the Vikings in this event, but I won’t now, that was just shitty. His attitude is looking real immature, that decision piled on top of some of his other decisions lately. Just not very becoming of him to act so childish with the resentment he’s carrying around for the whole world to see.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Jan 18, 2010 9:49 AM CST reply actions
You weren't turned off him by the "poor widdle me" teary-eyed "this is really it" retirement press conferences?
No not really
It did seem heartfelt and I didn’t mind. I just think that he is now acting out on his resentments and acting like a fool. That was uncalled for, there was no hope for us to win at that point and he knew that our team would not put up a defense for that play becuz of the unspoken rule of sportsmanship in an instance such as this. Just plain meaness and I didn’t know he was like that and I’m truly surprised by it. I don’t know what his problem is, but apparently he is a very immature 40 year old man, taking out his frustation with past (and I mean ancient past) Cowboy incarnations. Who was it that said (BC?)when asked what he felt about the Cowboys having defeated BF in every playoff game they played? He said I don’t have an opinion, I was in grade school.
I just don’t feel him anymore. For all others questioning my comments, they are just feelings, nothing more. You can’t blame me for my feelings, and I’ll say that you can’t blame Brett Favre for his either. But you sure can control how you act on them. He is a class act no more.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Jan 18, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Shades of Buddy Ryan?
Uh huh, you bet.
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by dcfansinceiwasababy on Jan 18, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Well..Brett Favre..
I will not blame the guy at his age for waffling at the end of a season..that guy got knocked on his ass all day and still had game in him..and he at 40 is having his best season..I don’t feel he has tarnished anything..The players love that guy and when did you ever hear of a coach picking a player up at the airport?..Just to have him?..He’s one of a kind and as far as I’m concerned he feels half-dead these days after taking a beating and decides to quit the game. Then he starts feeling better after a few months and decides to keep playing..I’m not going to knock him for that. We all get a chance to enjoy this guy..How can you not?
He weeped like a baby girl at a phony baloney press conference.
Also the worst offense that just kind of got of glossed over is the way Favre made a federal out of Eric Mangini leaving him off the injury report in December of ‘08. Hey, Britt, don’t you think it made it a little easier on you that you were left off those injury reports? He just couldn’t leave well enough alone.
Why? Well, of course, so Favre could let the world know that there was a reason for his late-season swoon with the Jets.
Don't be too mad MadMick..
With Favre and Rex Ryan winning the nation will have a plentiful stock of Kleenex for at least another week.
If only Dick Vermeil could get in on that action (sniff,sniff)
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Early draft mutterances.
Why are all these draftnik nimrods pushing Terrence Cody to the Cowboys so hard? At least on the few sites I’ve been to that’s been the case. I won’t even get into this never-ending debate over whether or not Ratliff should slide over to DE in the 3-4. The reason I won’t get into it is really simple. Unless I missed it Ratliff sliding over to DE hasn’t been considered by the only people that actually matter in the manner: the coaching staff.
Furthermore, Cody is just a big plodding pile of humanity. Massive? Yes. Monstrous? Who really and truly knows? He’s just not dynamic enough to anchor Wade’s 3-4 and he certainly won’t provide the pass rush up the middle Ratliff provides. Of course, it’s just draft "experts" (who don’t know any better) that have him going to the Cowboys so I don’t know why I’m getting so worked up. There is no chance this guy is the Cowboys 1st-round pick. Right? All I know is I wouldn’t spend my first pick on a flabby mass to anchor the D-line when we already have an awesome anchor on the roster. Don’t reach for a gelatinous mass of goo to fix a problem you don’t even have.
So onto the real question……
Will all the legitimate left tackle prospects be gone by the time the Cowboys pick in the first round?
If so, what’s the next most sought after position? I’d say best available player at corner or safety. Or is the depth so dire along the O-line that you go ahead and reach for the next best tackle prospect at pick 27 even if he only has a mid-2nd round grade? Can you pass up a beastly guard prospect like Mike Iaputi to reach for a raw tackle prospect?
At least Spencer’s rise along with some encouraging cameos by Victor Butler mean OLB is no longer a question mark. Defensive players that are picked early should be at safety or corner unless a guy they really like at ILB slips through the cracks. Defensively, the biggest area of need is to continue to bolster stability at safety unless a corner slips early that you just have to have.
Now onto the most controversial position: Wide receiver.
Roy’s a dud.
Ogletree’s a nice story who’s already proven he can contribute. Is he destined to be much more than that?
Crayton is reliable as always.
But most importantly teams have a dozen games worth of tape with Miles Austin as the featured guy. As early as the 2nd, if you’ve came away with a quality O-line prospect in the first and receiver is the best player available in the 2nd, pick him. Just look at what happened yesterday; Sidney Rice might as well have been Randy Moss at his peak. Where was Rice picked? Smack dab in the middle of the 2nd round; 44th overall in the ’07 draft.
In the NFC East arms race, the Cowboys are behind the Eagles and Giants; it’s simple as that. Think about how scary the Giants will be if they can field a solid defensive unit. Hakeem Nicks (1st-Rounder) more than likely will have a monster year next season; Steve Smith (2nd) is Eli’s go-to guy and even Manningham (3rd) has developed into a quality player.
Then there’s Philly’s little green goblins; Maclin (1st Rounder) and Jackson (2nd). Sure, the Cowboys had their way with them this season but that’s not always going to be the case.
As touching of a fairy tale as it is that Romo, Austin and Ogletree are all undrafted I thought the goal was to win in a Super Bowl; not to star in a Disney movie.
To summarize, this team’s draft strategy should be as follows:
Depth, depth and more depth along the O-line.
However, in the early rounds (1-3) if the best available player is just too suh-weet to pass up at an important position like safety, corner, WR or ILB, you have to make that pick.
Finally, I’m just throwing this out there since I don’t believe cutting Barber this off-season would have any significant cap ramifications but if he were to be no longer on the team via trade or whatnot, how about Miss. State’s Anthony Dixon in the 4th or 5th? The guy’s every bit the bulldozing power runner Barber is (or WAS.)
It's only natural...
For us fans to dissect their team and dream of re-habbing it..but the bottom-line is our thought as fans don’t account for squat..I generally look for one playmaker in the draft and this year it is CJ Spillers, which I doubt we’ll get..I have others, but my job is to watch..not to pick.
CJ Spillers? He is an awesome back but.......
Are the Cowboys going to petition the commissioner to play with two footballs on every play? They already have an explosive playmaker at the running back position: Felix Jones. Now Felix certainly isn’t out of the woods yet as far as shedding the “brittle” label goes.
BUT
Running back is far too disposable a position to spend another 1st-rounder on with the depth issues along the O-Line, at receiver and safety.
I don't mean to be a d-bag, but it's Spiller, without the "s" at the end.
I’m a Clemson fan, so I’ve heard his name (and seen his moves) for 4 years. He’d be scary as hell in a Giants uniform, with that run-blocking OL of theirs. Shanahan has probably the best shot at him, though of the NFCE teams. I hope not, considering his ability to do very well with running backs.
Yeah your right..I'm a fan of Clemson also and have been watching that kid..but I
can never get his name perfectly right..last week I called him CJ Shippings..lol..Not sure whether it is my stupidity or that he is that slippery a player..I’m leaning towards my stupidity..
lol, don't put it past CJ to be that slippery, and then accelerating past the secondary of your subconscious
As a fellow Clemson fan, don’t you hate the Gaines Adams news. I was stunned.
I was shocked..terrible news..He was a great kid..
They are saying he had an enlarged heart..How come they can’t pick that up in a physical?..Damn shame.
Nothing guaranteed for 2010
If the recent history of the NFL has taught us anything it’s that nothing is guaranteed next year:
—Pittsburgh fails to make playoffs after 2 Super Bowls in last 4 years
—New England’s 2008…nuff said
—Indy/San Diego perennial postseason floppers after great regular seasons
—Carolina, THE posterchild for inconsistency since their 2003 Super Bowl
—Philly, stuck in Good-But-Not-Greatville since 2005 Super Bowl appearance
I am really proud of my Cowboys in 2009 proving some critics wrong, but each of the last 3 seasons have ended with a massive failure to seize the opportunity.
The window is shorter than ever in the NFL and you have to break through NOW. Arizona’s window just closed. Philly’s window is rapidly closing. Even Minnesota has to think Super Bowl or bust this year—they have zero guarantees beyond this season.
It pains me to no end that the Steelers have gutted out a couple of unlikely Super Bowl wins recently while my Cowboys (with just as much or more talent) have consistently fallen short.
I really want to believe for next year, but…
Is the window really shorter than ever or just a lot less exclusive?
As for the Steelers, they’ve simply had that much talent on defense and when they do lose a guy like Joey Porter, they restock the same position with players like James Harrison and Lamarr Woodley and don’t miss a beat.
I really do think the window's shorter.
It’s basically become a one-hit-wonder league starting with St Louis in 1999. Half the playoff teams from the year before don’t make it.
It is less about building and maintaining it seems
teams like Seattle and Chicago had kicks at the can, and just couldn’t sustain it.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
meaning
you have to make hay while the sun shines
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
It depends on what you mean by window.
To some extent, the Colts, Patriots, Chargers and Steelers windows have been open for at least a decade because they have the right cornerstone players and know how to reload.
give them some Switzer
and that window shuts pretty quick
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
true
And with all that they’ll still have the same amount of championships.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jan 18, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Dallas' window would have been open a lot longer
if Jerry hadn’t of run Jimmy off. IMO Dallas might have won at least four SBs and as many as six if Jimmy had of stayed,
Yes; and if Jimmy Stayed
He could have handed off to a true coach and we might not have been in the wilderness for a decade and a half. For all that Jerry had done, his stain of the lost decade will forever mark his reign as GM.
Jimmy didn't want to stay
for the 10,000th time. Look at the video of him in the locker room after Super Bowl 29. He’s on the podium and an announcer sticks a mic in his face and says, “so, are you up for trying to become the first to win three consecutive Super Bowls?”
Jimmy froze. The smile on his face disappeared. He ducked the question. A few days later he’s on the Tonight Show and makes lots of jokes about Jerry.
He had already decided he wanted out and started provoking Jerry to fire him.
I have not believed “run him off” for a long time. Jimmy is a master psychologist. He got what he wanted — freedom and none of the blame. Nevertheless, it’s clear to me he walked away.
I understand that Jimmy wanted out,
but the reason he wanted out was because of Jerry. I’m not saying that it was all Jerry fault, but If I were Jerry I would have found away to patch up the differences and go for a few more SBs. Jerry thought that he could bring in almost any HC and keep winning SBs after all they won two in the first five years. Jerry got one more SB inspite of Barry not because of him and the rest is history.
Well Raf I think your right on the money..
I don’t mean to disparage Jerry Jones, because he has done an awful lot of good things for Dallas over the years..But I don’t like how he treated Landry and Tex..I think his spat with Jimmy was because he he was taking credit for their success and Johnson didn’t appreciate it..So he hired basically a dope in Switzer and when that didn’t work he went after Parcells..Jones’s problem is he is a meddling owner and that just doesn’t work in football. Maybe baseball, but not football..I will give him credit for getting some good talent in there but he has also made some big mistakes (Williams)..but you can’t knock him for that either because all teams do in the FA market..He just needs to let his Coaches..coach.
some players thought
they couldn’t take another year of Jimmy – just way too harsh and intense.
Even though I miss the guy, I’m not sure Switzer was the best hire.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 18, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get me wrong I always thought Switzer was a great college coach..
But he was tossed into an arena where they aren’t kids anymore..They are multi-millionaires..He never could make that transistion..but I’ll give that guy alot of credit..He basicallly flipped football the bird and rode off into the sunset.
Agreed. Jimmy admitted as much in the NFL specials about the Super Bowl winners.
He might have stayed one more year, but he was looking for his way out.
Jimmy Wanted Out Because of Jerry
Remember when the Saudi Prince and Jerry invaded the locker room? To say that Jimmy walked away is technically true but it is equally true that Jerry’s heavy handed involvement and smarmy attempts at taking credit for the emerging dynasty drove Jimmy to take the action he did. Then Jerry went out and hired the no mind boot legger’s boy; for crying out loud. Dallas blew at least one championship and then set the stage for a decade of futility.
Garretts offensive philosophy doesnt match with our offensive line personel.
We were doing fine grinding the ball with Felix Jones. No reason to put a slower injured Barber in the game and no reason to pass more than run when your Oline cannot handle the pass rush. The score was still 17-3 in the third. that is still close enough to keep running the ball.
The problem is the distribution of carries
Felix needs to get 20 carries a game
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I agree. Felix needed to be the feature back in this game. He was the only offense that was working. Our oline are not dancing bears. They obviously could not handle the speed rush of the Dline, but they were mauling them when Felix was running the ball. Why didnt we stick to what was working?
Felix was the feature back in this game
he had 14 rushing attempts, plus was targeted 4 more times in the passing game for a total of 18 opportunities.
Compare that to Barber’s 8 rushing attempts and 0 targets on passes.
Felix 18
Barber 8
What is not “feature” about that?
Other than that lame toss play, Barber looked to be running with conviction again.
Had the game been closer, they could have tired those fat boys down.
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Felix should have gotten Barber’s carries, especially that toss that killed our drive and momentum. Why did Barber replace him in that situation?
We had 25 rushing play to 35 passing plays in a game where we could not handle the dline pass rush, but we could handle them when running.
After we got behind early, we leaned a little more on the passing game
All teams do that, so it is no surprise. We actually ran the ball 11 times in the second half which is not bad when the score is so lopsided.
in case you don't remember
felix got brought down on a similar toss play in the third or fourth quarter. I agree Felix would’ve gotten to the edge on that play, but you can’t have one back running all your plays, especially a guy who runs as hard as felix. We ran a good rotation, the vikings just stuffed it. Give them credit.
I think the toss to barber was a romo audible also. They had really stacked the line.
No the major problem was where they ran it..11 carries in a half of football isn't bad at all
It is where they ran them that sucked..
What do you mean?
The major problem was where they ran it
Look at the stats between the 1st half and 2nd half (they’re almost identical)
1st half…………………………..2nd half
14 runs………………………….11 runs
Thru Middle 7 runs…………….Thru Middle 6 runs
Left Tackle 1 run……………….Left Guard 1 run
Left End 4 runs………. ……….Left End 2 runs
Right Guard 1 run……………..Right Tackle 1 run
Right End 1 run………………..Right End 1 run
There is very, very little change in run placement from the 1st to the 2nd half
Seven of those runs occured after the game had been conceeded.
Those runs were back to back to back. When the outcome was still in doubt Garrett did not run the ball enough.
about the two minute mark....Dallas ran the clock out as the game was over.
1st and 10 at DAL 17 (Shotgun) F.Jones up the middle to DAL 26 for 9 yards (J.Kennedy).
2nd and 1 at DAL 26 (Shotgun) F.Jones up the middle to DAL 31 for 5 yards (F.Evans).
1st and 10 at DAL 31 (Shotgun) F.Jones up the middle to DAL 37 for 6 yards (F.Evans).
2nd and 4 at DAL 37 (Shotgun) F.Jones right guard to DAL 45 for 8 yards (H.Abdullah).
As I take a closer look at the play by play, my assessment is not fair to Garrett. They did try to focus on the run in the third quarter. They ran the ball four plays to open the half and threw only after the seven yard negative play. The next drive started at the two, the next one they were forced to pass after another running play that lost yardage. After that the Vikings scored and the 4th quarter started forceing Dallas to pass to try and catch up. The next three drives Dallas never ran the ball and it got real ugly.
"Garretts offensive philosophy doesnt match with our offensive line personel"
Not true. His play designs work with what they do best and avoid what they do poorly.
This has been covered over and over and over again. It sucks when the line’s weakness is exposed, but there’s no getting around it. When a team matches up to this line, the points disappear.
Look at Denver, Green Bay, Minnesota and the two Redskins games. That’s 44 points in 5 games. 9 points a game. It’s amazing they won two of them.
i dont necessarliy agree
the lines weakness in this game was pass blocking, not run blocking
or just blocking
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by Aaron Novinger on Jan 18, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Haha
sadly true
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jan 19, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
I thought this was interesting
Maybe a little too negative for this site. Just seemed like some of the same concerns that plagued Dallas earlier came back. Maybe that play where Witten tried to take on Allen was more Houck than Garrett. But hopefully, like Raf has said before, Garrett continues to grow into his OC role. And hopefully Wade does too (HC role).
But this season still beats the 3 before where you felt like good things were happening with the Cowboys. Looking forward to the offseason!
Trotter is wrong
and anyone watching the game could see it was obvious Minnesota simply outplayed us. They were the better team, end of story.
This Trotter clown talks as if we beat ourselves and thats just ridiculous.
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i disagree. we did have a chance at winning this game. we did beat ourselves. if the offense could not pass protect, then why pass more than run? Our offensive coach did not adjust to our strengths and what was working in the game….like running Felix Jones all over them. He was replaced by barber in the second quarter and at the end of our first drive in the 3rd quarter. The game was only 17-3 in the third, and you take out our best offensive weapon in Felix Jones? We did have a shot a winning this game by keeping it close. Also i had no confindence in the kicker before the game and Wade should have gone for it on 4th and 1 at the beginning of the game. NO way i let him kick unless its a 30 yarder or less.
MIN has a top 5 rushing defense and a very suspect secondary
Not to mention the mismatches Witten presented. Dallas had the right game plan to win, the offensive line just didn’t win their battle against Minny’s pass rush.
I do agree with you on the kicker. Even though it was in a dome and in his range, I had zero confidence he’d make any FG’s. Certainly those 40+ attempts made me cringe. I would have rather seen them try for a 1st down. But there was no assurance they could have made it.
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by APerfectStar on Jan 18, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with your 4th and 1 stance..I thought they should have gone for it also.
That would have changed the game around..but the team went “brain-dead” in one week…They should have pulled and sat Barber he obviously didn’t have it..They ran Jones right into a stacked box the whole game..They forgot about Choice and they didn’t use Crayton..they threw hardly a screen pass or swing pass to loosen up the defense..They didn’t give anybody an opportunity to get on the edge and make a play. I don’t know what trash can Garrett pulled that gameplan from, but I have a sneaking suspicion it was his ass.
You can't coach scared.
You have to put your players into a position to win and rely on them to make the plays. Sure you put your players into a position to succeed, but I agree with how Wade handled it.
No but
coaches all know and and makes calls according to the percentages. Squeezem was a low percentage from 48.
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JD..I am not sure what play you are talking about..but
If it was the field goal attempt on 4th and 1..I would argue that it was a bad call..and that is coaching scared..and I’ll maintain that that could have turned the momentum over to your guys..even if they did not make it it would have sent the players a positive message from the coaches…Confidence.
Well one thing now that we are all watching other Teams for the rest of the Shin-dig..(spelling suspect, that's why I can't dance)..
Is this..I have been doing this for about a year now..and I only comment on this site and mine, but I read other sites..I don’t comment on them because I’m afraid my wife would draw the line in the sand and make me do something..like mow the lawn or something like that..so I try and have succeeded in staying under her radar…but my point here is if everyone threw their “I hate the Cowboys”..“I hate the Giants”..“I hate the Eagles, Redskins, Jets, Bengals, etc..etc..” Into a pot and boil off all the bullshit..We are basically pissing and moaning about the very, very same things concerning the teams we root for..the EXACT same things..Therefore I have concluded that before a troll shows up..they should respectfully state that they hate their own team..First and foremost..
..and I am not sure why I even threw this off topic blurb in here..lol..I'll figure it out tommorrow
The coaches did not have their best game
The fourth and one call, not running the ball once it became clear that they could not pass protect, did not max protect or run more plays with their 2-2 personal package, but that is not why they lost this game.
They were outclassed playing a better, fresher team on the road
On the strip sack
they were in a “max protect”. Nothing a coach calls works when the line is overmatched on every play. Those guys are the team’s weakest unit and the Vikes had exactly the right personnel to exploit that weakness.
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