It may be time for a new type of O-Line ... Part II
Introducing: The NFL O-Line Weight Rankings
ScarletO's excellent post "It may be time for a new type of offensive line..." had me scrambling for stats like a fighter pilot when the air raid sirens go off.
You want numbers? BTB has them for you. Check out how the AFC and NFC's O-lines stack up by weight and other stats below. Note, the O-line weights are from the cbssports depth charts, and I used the player with the most starts per position to determine total line weight.
There are some interesting things here. Take a look for yourself.
NFL O-line weights and team records
| NFC | AFC | |||||||
| Team | W-L | Avg. O-line weight | Team | W-L | Avg. O-Line weight | |||
| East | Cowboys | 11-5 | 327 | Patriots | 10-6 | 306 | East | |
| Eagles | 11-5 | 338 | Jets | 9-7 | 311 | |||
| Giants | 8-8 | 315 | Dolphins | 7-9 | 312 | |||
| Redskins | 4-12 | 319 | Bills | 6-10 | 309 | |||
| North | Vikings | 12-4 | 321 | Bengals | 10-6 | 329 | North | |
| Packers | 11-5 | 310 | Ravens | 9-7 | 317 | |||
| Bears | 7-9 | 310 | Steelers | 9-7 | 328 | |||
| Lions | 2-14 | 311 | Browns | 5-11 | 313 | |||
| South | Saints | 13-3 | 321 | Colts | 14-2 | 303 | South | |
| Falcons | 9-7 | 314 | Texans | 9-7 | 306 | |||
| Panthers |
8-8 | 314 | Titans | 8-8 | 305 | |||
| Bucs |
3-13 | 306 | Jaguars | 7-9 | 321 | |||
| West | Cardinals | 10-6 | 319 | Chargers |
13-3 | 325 | West | |
| 49ers | 8-8 | 319 | Broncos |
8-8 | 304 | |||
| Seahawks | 5-11 | 311 | Raiders | 5-11 | 303 | |||
| Rams |
1-15 | 311 | Chiefs | 4-12 | 313 | |||
For instance, the 5 heaviest NFC O-lines all made the playoffs, while in the AFC, 4 of six playoff participants are below 320 pounds, and the AFC is represented in the Superbowl by the Colts with the the lightest O-Line in the league.
Also, the average NFC O-line man is 4 pounds heavier than the average NFC guy.
And finally, the NFC Beast is literally the heaviest division (something we've all known anyway), with an average weight of 325. That's about 15 pounds more than the lightweights in the AFC South (309), North (310) and West (311).
Overall, the average NFL O-line man weighs 315 pounds. By position, this looks as follows: LT 318, LG 314, C 305, RG 317, RT 320. It surprised me a little to see that there wasn't a single right or left tackle below 300 pounds, but an astonishing 11 centers were below 300 pounds last season.
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NFL O-lines ranked by weight and performance
| NFC | AFC | |||||||
| Team | Rank Weight | Rank Pass YPA | Rank Rush YPA | Team | Rank Weight | Rank Pass YPA | Rank Rush YPA | |
| Eagles* | 1 | 6 | 7 | Bengals* | 1 | 10 | 13 | |
| Cowboys* | 2 | 2 | 1 | Steelers | 2 |
3 | 9 | |
| Saints* | 3 | 1 | 3 | Chargers* | 3 |
1 | 16 | |
| Vikings* | 4 | 4 | 10 | Jaguars | 4 |
8 | 4 | |
| Cardinals* | 5 | 7 | 11 | Ravens* | 5 |
6 | 2 | |
| 49ers | 6 | 12 | 5 | Browns | 6 |
16 | 8 | |
| Redskins | 7 | 8 | 16 | Chiefs | 7 |
14 | 5 | |
| Giants | 8 | 5 | 9 | Dolphins | 8 |
12 | 7 | |
| Panthers | 9 | 11 | 2 | Jets* | 9 |
11 | 3 | |
| Falcons | 10 | 9 | 8 | Bills | 10 |
13 | 6 | |
| Rams | 11 | 16 | 4 | Patriots* | 11 | 5 | 12 | |
| Seahawks | 12 | 13 | 14 | Texans | 12 | 2 | 15 | |
| Lions | 13 | 15 | 15 | Titans | 13 | 9 | 1 | |
| Bears | 14 | 13 | 14 | Broncos | 14 | 7 | 10 | |
| Packers* | 15 | 6 | 15 | Colts* | 15 | 4 | 14 | |
| Bucs | 16 | 14 | 12 | Raiders | 16 | 15 | 11 | |
| * Playoff teams in bold | ||||||||
Not necessarily. While the NFC certainly seems to favor the heavy boys up front, the AFC paints a different picture. It is worth noting that in the AFC, 5 of the top ten teams by passing YPA are ranked within the 6 lightest O-Lines. And the Titans, with one of the lightest offensive lines in the NFL, rank first in rushing YPA.
NFL team weights
Overall, it looks like it's better to have the big boys on your side. After all, of the top Teams by O-line weight in each conference, 8 out of 10 made the playoffs.
On the other hand, 3 of the lighter teams to make the playoffs - the Colts, Packers and Patriots - are playing a pass heavy type of football either in lieu of a proper running game or, more likely, by choice. This type of offensive philosophy does not need the big heavy roadgraders up front to create running lanes, instead they need to be more nimble and athletic to "pick up zone blitzes, stunts, and disguised coverages utilizing linebackers and safeties on a regular basis" as ScarletO points out in his post.
In a copy-cat league, this offensive philosophy has certainly not gone unnoticed, and you may see more and more teams trying to move in that direction. Of course, without an elite QB that can deliver in such an offensive scheme (and there ain't many of them) you'd best stick to stacking pound upon pound on your O-Line.
Finally, do take these numbers with a pinch of salt. Seldom are the reported weight numbers the actual weight of the players, particularly towards the end of the season. Also, injuries to starters early on may have lead teams to use substitutes that are either lighter or heavier than they would like for their o-lines, thus skewing the numbers.
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Dude...
That’s a lot of research, so you get the rec just for that. In some cases, guys will balloon to 360+ and eat themselves right out of the league, but I think in the end, a player’s weight is less important than just simply asking “Can the guy play or not?” Nevertheless, still some valuable info here.
is there a metric for pass blocking vs run blocking and the relative quality of both?
maybe KC Joyner’s project?
by AustonianAggie on Jan 27, 2010 11:25 AM CST reply actions
Not that I know of
KC Joyner doesn’t publish till around August, but yes, he does have the ‘full monty’. Football Outsiders have Adjusted Line Yards as a measure for run blocking, but revert to a simple sack count for pass blocking (like most other sites). ProFootballFocus give out individual grades per player for pass and run blocking, but I don’t know how they calculate them, and you can’t add them up for the whole O-line.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 27, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
I know this post was all about O-line
but it still sticks out to me that Dallas was so good in the YPA categories, yet we struggled at times to put up points. Jason Garrett hopefully will spend all offseason making sure our point production more closely matches our yards production in this upcoming year.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
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Sure, OCC does all this statistical mumbo jumbo, but it was the gals that kept me recommending his posts. I may falg this post and ask that it be removed for not containing any objectionable material.
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Just thought I would add my two cents. Please pardon the roughness of this table:
Team Weight rank Scoring rank
Saints# 7 1
Vikings# 6 2
Packers# 23 3
Chargers# 5 4
Eagles# 1 5
Patriots# 27 6
Colts# 31 7
Giants* 13 8
Ravens# 12 9
Texans^ 28 10
Cardinals# 10 11
Steelers^ 3 12
Falcons^ 14 13
Cowboys# 4 14
Dolphins 18 15
Titans* 29 16
Jets# 22 17
49ers* 11 18
Bears 24 19
Broncos* 30 20
Panthers* 15 21
Bengals# 2 22
Chiefs 17 23
Jaguars 8 24
Seahawks 20 25
Redskins 9 26
Lions 19 27
Bills 25 28
Browns 16 29
Bucs 26 30
Raiders 32 31
Rams 21 32
- - denotes playoff team
^ – denotes team with a winning record that did not make the playoffs - - denotes team with an 8-8 record
Please note that of the top 22 scoring teams in the NFL, only the Bears and the Dolphins had losing records. Scoring wins games in the NFL.
1,139 offensive touchdowns were scored in the NFL in 2009. 710 were through the passing game. So over 62% of the touchdowns scored by NFL offenses were through the air.
Of the top 22 scoring teams, the top 7 teams in terms of average offensive line weight were included. 5 of the 6 smallest offensive lines were also included in this list.
Wow that table is worse than I thought.
The number symbol (#) denotes a playoff team.
The upward facing arrow (^) denotes a team with an 8-8 record.
Now I got it wrong...grrrrr.
The asterisk (*) denotes a team with an 8-8 record.
I about shut down my computer.
I’m so dumb.
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this proves One Cool's point even further
the 18 heaviest NFL O lines gather toward the top and the 18 lowest gather toward the bottom. the average of the heaviest 8 offensive lines is 10.5, the average of the second heaviest 8 is 16.88, the average of the third heaviest 8 is 20.13, and the average of the lightest 8 is 18.5
not really robust but does prove a point
amazing research and insight, OCC.
I vote OCC’s contributions for regular BTB front page billing.
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hmmm
the NFC there is a definite trend there. But the AFC I’m not so sure, but you do make a great point about pass first (and second for that matter) offenses having lighter olines. Again, I don’t think thats coincidence. Yet the chargers were totally pass first this year and they have a heavy line.
Also…holy crap our YPA stats are good. They are also a little deceiving – while we have big plays in the run game, we have a high less than two yardage percentage. Likewise, Romo started taking sacks more this year, so that helps the ypa numbers but not the scoring.
Especially when those pass first offenses
are running a lot of short stuff, being nimble and quick counts for more than size.
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Seems like there are a lot of other things at play in these stats too, right?
Since we’re using offensive production, not blocking metrics (which are hard to find), to evaluate.
For instance, the Colts have this guy Peyton Manning, who helps their offensive ranking versus a team like Denver or Tennessee who have good OLs but inferior QBs who do not put their OLs as high up the rankings.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
the great irony of all this...
Is that, per Raf’s analysis of a month or 2 ago, for all its girth, this o-line is one that has trouble smashing people off the ball. It is one that generates much better production from more “finesse” plays e.g. delay draws out of the shotgun.
That o-line of the 90’s was the first to break the 300 barrier (as an average across the line) and it could and did blow people off the ball. There was little deception, most plays the opponents knew what they were going to do, they just couldn’t stop them….
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Yeah, I agree. It really matters what kind of athletes these guys are
Dallas’s linemen are simply not exceptionally nimble – Colombo and Gurode for example, and Flo has slowed as he’s aged. Bigg can move well, but like the others, he takes some time/space to get going. None of them seem very explosive and the D-lines seem to get the jump on them unless the scheme can get people moving (draws, misdirections, etc.).
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I don't know if there is much of a causal relationship here
…at least not one that can be clearly defined.
All four NFC East teams all had top 8 rankings in weight. That may have more to do with the fact that the East is known for being more of a hard-nosed division where power running and play action passing carry the day.
The bottom line is that bulk does not equal talent.
The intangibles like offensive philosophy, quality coaching, injuries, continuity and teams’ commitment to acquiring great linemen throgh the draft and free agency have more to do with the performance of a team’s offensive line than choosing heavy over swift or vice versa.
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Easiest Way to Measure the Relationship
Between two variables is to determine their correlation. Since wins or winning percentage includes a large measure of defense and special teams that water down what we are trying to measure, I took the correlation between points scored and weight. There’s defensive and special teams points in the points scored totals, but it gets us much closer to measuring the relationship between the two variables.
Using Excel, I came with a correlation coefficient of 0.31, which shows a relationship between the two, but a weak one. Heavier lines are generally associated with teams that score more points, but it’s not a strong determinant.
I also ran a linear regression between the two to try and model the relationship, but their extreme distance from the origin gives nonsensical results. I would have to play around some with that to drain out the distortion effects.
Uhhh
Did you remember to convert lbs to kg?
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by APerfectStar on Jan 31, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
The point being that...
there are factors that have a higher correlative value than OL weight in predicting offensive points scored.
Dallas’ weight vs. points scored is a good example.
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Well, Of Course
I don’t know anyone who would debate you that offensive line weight is the main reason offenses score points. It’s such an uncontroversial idea it borders on tautology.
The issue raised isn’t whether offensive line weight is the main, or even one of the main determinants of offensive success. It’s what that (expected small) contribution is.
And running a simple statistical correlation, I answered that question quantitatively.
Hey OCC
How about looking at Offensive Line coaches and their tenure with their team?
Also, what about average draft position for each team’s Fab 5 relative to the metrics you used above?
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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Ha ha ha
well, I can look at all sorts of stuff. I am still working towards the day that I will be able to correlate a random set of weather variables convincingly to an NFL stat :-)
Tenure is going to be something I’ll definitely look at more seriously over the off-season, average draft positions for O- or D-lines might be a fun thing to do, I may look into it.
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 3, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions

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