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Tearing Down The House That Jerry Built

Admit it. You’ve thought about it. Every so often, you look at the Dallas Cowboys and think to yourself, "If I were running this team, things would be different. I would draft better, get a better coach and coordinators and lure the right Free Agents to play for us. Yeah, we would be awesome!!! In the face of what looks to be one of the most epic collapses in NFL history for a pre-season Super Bowl favorite, the time seems right to dream a little dream.

 

But this is not an easy fix. The team is doing exactly what it has always done under Jerry (save for the Jimmy years) and practiced and prepared and played like anointed royalty. They drank their own bath water. They believed their own pre-season press clippings. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. They forgot history. They repeated it. They underperformed. That doesn’t suggest that a single roster upgrade or a replacement of a coach or coordinator can turn this thing around. In fact, one would say this team has some sort of viral disease that is keeping it from gaining the mental toughness to handle adversity and pull together to raise their intensity and focus.

 

I, for one, am not going to sit on my hands anymore. I’m taking my shot.

 

This past week, I bellied up to the bar with Jerrah and we shared a bunch of single malts (He’s a Glenmorangie guy). We talked football for hours. We were having a really good time commiserating about the cowboys' woes and then, maybe in a weak moment, he pulled a Tony Stark on me and said the craziest thing; "5blings, I’m tarred. So, I want you to run it.  You be the GM. You run the whole danged thang!"

 

Well, I was feeling all woozy (not really) and was left speechless. He waived his finger at one of his assistants and about fifteen minutes and 3 Irish Car Bombs (nasty drinks…loved them) later, I was signing papers that made me THE singular arbiter of all decisions Cowboys. Well, you’ll be glad to know I’ve wasted no time and put together a recovery plan. 

 

Here’s how I’ve decided to remake this Cowboys franchise.

Star-divide

FRONT OFFICE:

 

First things first. I hire a new Director of College Scouting because Tom Ciskowski needs to be let go because he sucks. He’s been a fine soldier, but his misses have been too many and too frequent to allow him to continue on with us. "Cisky, I know you want to take credit for 2008 and how people thought it might be a great draft in a sea of crappy ones for other teams, but the overall track record is one of failure. I wish you much success in your future endeavors. I did, however, get you an interview with Dan Snyder and he’s looking forward to your call. Your belongings have been packed for you and Mr. Smith here will see you out". 

 

Replacement candidates: anyone from the Ozzie Newsome/Jerry Reese tree of senior scouts. It has to be someone with an eye for linemen and who can bring a new vision to the scouting department. after all, look what good scouting has done for the Rangers.   

 

COACHING:

 

I know this is shocking, but Winnie has to go. As a head coach, he sucks. He’s a brilliant defensive mind, despite what you might think after the Giants debacle,  but he’s not the sideline LEADER that this team is missing. The next coach can’t be past his prime like Parcells and he can’t be a pansy like Fatty McFatterson (picked that one up on the thread last week and it still makes me laugh). I think Wade is a good man. I think he is an honorable man. He’s someone I would love to sit down and talk football with during the family barbeque. However, I don’t think Wade is the RIGHT MAN to coach this team and I’ve said that since the day they hired him (after Garrett). Dick LeBeau, Monte Kiffin, Jim Johnson, Jim Haslett, Dom Capers and Mike Nolan have all proven themselves to be great defensive minds, but they don’t have the chromosomal makeup of a Head Coach in the National Football League. It’s not a slanderous statement. It’s a statement of fact. It doesn’t devalue the man, it re-values him properly. Some new head coach next year is going to have a staff with Wade and Norv as their DC an OC, respectively, and they are going to be a heckuva staff. "Wade, you (and your daughter) are certainly welcome at the family barbeque, but I need a guy here who doesn’t suck and can set a different tone". Wade responds, "but 5Blings, I can change, I can be hard on ‘em players and gettum playin’ smarter!"  I look up from my desk and see him still standing there with THAT LOOK on his face again, "WHY are you STILL here?!?!"

 

Candidates I would interview: Jim Harbaugh (my #1candidate…really like his energy level), Jon Gruden and Russ Grimm. Unlike many, I’m not a Bill Cowher fan only because he stuck with Krydell Stewart for wayyyyy too long, but I would interview him for kicks.

 

Next, RHG (Red Headed Goof) gets clipped…mainly because he sucks. He’s a promising young coach, but the window for teams to win when they have a QB that could deliver a bling is short. Jason’s inability to get his unit playing with any sort of rhythm or identity since he arrived as the OC in Dallas is simply inexcusable. The Dallas offense (even sans Flozell) is still one of THE most penalized offenses in football. I’m sorry, but when receivers run the wrong routes, time outs get used because of play-calling confusion and our offense becomes so predictable that the opposing defensive coordinator’s 5-year old son can tell whether we’re running or passing (this just in: it’s more than likely going to be passing 80% of the time) on any given down is just too much to take. Jason, at this point in his development, would make a great collegiate Head Coach and we might be keeping him from reaching his full potential. I always want to know if candidates have done their homework prior to the interview. One interview question would be – "would you go to a 3-wide base offense next year?" If any of them say yes, the new HC and I would have to consider them. If not, then they’d have to explain how we get our best players on the field.

 

Possible replacements: David Lee (my #1 candidate), Pat Shurmur, Dana Bible and others.

 

Well, I fired the DC when I fired Winnie (who the heck set that up in such a cockeyed way? Oh, yeah…sorry Jerry), so I need a new one. I don’t want to stray too far from the 3-4 since we’ve spent the last 6 seasons creating the right LB corps to help get us there (seriously…how many LB’s can one team draft at the expense of their O-line and safety spots?!?!?) so I look to the Dick LeBeau lineage and then look at a fiery presence to instill accountability and aggressiveness on that side of the ball.

 

Candidates: Keith Butler from the Steelers, Mike Singletary and others.

 

Assistants I would have escorted off of the Valley Ranch property: Houck, Campo, Wade Wilson, Juraszek and anyone else that has ties to the Jimmy, Tuna or McFatterson eras (or has sucked). Joe D needs to interview again, but his job is open.

 

One note – all coordinators and assistants would need to be hired by the Head Coach. I would maintain veto power (so that we don’t hire any that suck), but I’d tend to go with who they wanted to work with. This is a critical requirement in the 5Blings hierarchy.

 

ROSTER:

 

Okay now that we’ve cleaned house in the administration building, let’s look at the locker room.

 

Right out of the gate, I’m putting the following players on the trading block;

 

Felix Jones

Tashard Choice

Victor Butler

Martellus Bennett

All of our CB’s

Leonard Davis

Andre Gurode

Marc Colombo

Roy Williams

Anthony Spencer

 

 

I’m letting go of Marcus Spears, Igor, Bowen, Hatcher, Jason Williams, Leon and Brandon Williams and anyone else I can find who hasn’t played up to their draft slot or price tag. Why keep players that suck?

 

Now, I thought about trading Witten quite a bit, but I couldn’t bring myself to let the heart and soul of this team go play somewhere else. Fans have to be able to keep some connectivity to the players and he’s the ONLY guy I wouldn’t trade.

 

Let’s assume I get a 3rd for Choice. I get a 4th for Bigg (Sloww) or Gurode (Dumm) and I get a 3rd or 4th for Bennett (Dooff). Let’s also assume I get a 6th from the Crayton deal. 

 

Maybe that is optimistic thinking on my part but keep in mind it’s MY post. That’s a slug of picks to help me move up, down and around the draft. In prioritizing the holes on the team, I would look at O-line and Safety. Finding 2 new O-linemen (preferably OT and Center) in the draft and an OG in Free agency would be a good start. The Niners remade their O-line in 2 years and so did the Jets. We need to do the same. LET ME BE CLEAR: next year’s draft would be heavy on offensive linemen. Now if Luck, Locker and Mallett are all there, I may not be able to pass up on a franchise QB given that Romo is 30 and hasn’t proven that he can lead the team to the bling, but I’m still drafting O-line and safety early and often. Know this; if I planned to take a QB #1, I would trade Tony before the draft. what would I get for him? Now I am not going to spend much time on WHO I WOULD draft because the draft doesn’t work like that. You have to take the best players available given what your needs are. Lots can happen between now and April and probably will.

 

I likely look to Free Agency (CBA notwithstanding) to find a FS who can help us short term. Sensei stays put…for the moment.

 

I find, via draft or FA, a big-body NT to rotate with Ratliff so I can put him at DE (at least on obvious passing downs) so we can extend his playing career and keep him fresher as games wear on. As I have been saying for some time now, he’s beginning to wear down earlier and earlier in games. In fact, I think my prediction that he would eventually become ineffective in his role as NT was just one year too early is all.

 

CULTURE:

 

I would set a new tone for this organization in terms of how we conduct ourselves. I’d return the Cowboys to a very business-like approach in how we operate. No more big contracts after only one year of production or for role players too late in their career. Our coach would have to make sure that practices would be the hardest hitting and most structured in the league. No more acting like idiots in the end zone. No more of this task cohesion or goal collision BS. I would be the unquestioned leader of the organization and my coach would have full control of the team on the field and in the locker room. I would not be seen anywhere outside of the luxury box on game day and there would be a clear definition of everyone’s roles and responsibilities. We’d look to attain players with athleticism but also those we think can represent the franchise well off the field (I want every fan’s children to fondly remember the players when they grow up and have money to spend on jerseys, mugs and hoodies).  Our goal would be to become the toughest, most physical and disciplined team in the NFL. We’d make lots of changes to the way we practice. There would be a ton of tackling and we would learn to manage the clock and our timeouts as though they were our own life’s blood. There would be no more saving our vets in preseason or Hard Knocks or split camps. I’d have our camp in the hottest most, God-forsaken place I could find. Lastly, I would make sure this team understood that individual egos would not be accepted and that they all rallied around a single cause; the common goal of winning a Bling. I’d build a team, regardless of the results, that our fans could be proud of for their effort and their execution.

 

Whew! That’s a lot of moving parts to address!

 

Okay, now it’s YOUR turn.

 

You’re the Owner and GM of this team. It’s a leaky boat and it needs fixing. What would you do?

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I like it. Now raise 1.8 billion dollars and make it happen. I think you are a bit rigid with your approach but overall I loved most of the ideas about coaching and I think it is exactly what we need. However I really do not think Jerry has it in him to pull it off.

by Egan on Oct 31, 2010 6:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't you think 1-6 requires rigidity?

Jerry isn’t blind. At some point, he will do something none of us expects him to do.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, not as long as his Dallas Cowboys "brand" keeps making him straight cash, homie.

The team may not be winning on the field, but the ’brand" is growing money on trees. That is all he really cares about.

Pacquaio versus Margarito, fight of the year. Anyone???

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/509406-manny-pacquiao-versus-antonio-margarito-could-it-be-the-fight-of-the-year

- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"

by fan since '65 on Nov 5, 2010 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, Jerry is past that

You don’t know Jerry like I do.

He is a very proud man and his legacy hangs in the balance now. He’s going to something big.

Just you wait.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree...

Even though I don’ think its in our best interest, I think the result of this season will be Jerry going after a big name coach.

On the bright side, I think there is a (small) chance that if things get embarassing enough, he may relinquish his role as GM…maybe. We all can pray..

by foyesboys on Nov 6, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you are right. I would love to be wrong.

- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"

by fan since '65 on Nov 6, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Things I would change. Give my head coach more say in determining the staff that works for him. I think we can all agree that the hiring of Garrett before Wade was hired sent the wrong message and we have paid for it since.
Now it makes sense for your post to contain all these extra ideas because frankly it would be very boring if all you said was hire a coach and let them decide everything else.

Besides that I would avoid any idea of a firesale with our players. We have proven that championships are decided on the field and not on paper. Our roster is immensely talented but lacked much of the unity that defines a team. Still talent is exceedingly important, and we should avoid selling low on a large percentage of our roster just because we are currently in a vulnerable position. The idea that this team is fundamentally flawed and needs to be dismantled and rebuilt is just foolish in my opinion. Sure some turnover is going to be needed, and I agree 100% that the coaching staff will need to be rebuilt, but do not forget that this is on paper the same team that has averaged nearly 11 wins over the last 4 years. Many useful parts still exist…

by Egan on Oct 31, 2010 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not sure how much of that notion (talented roster) is media-driven and how much is real...

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well with the amount of draft picks you will end up with if you are successful in trading all the players on your list

 you would stand a decent chance at instilling a good attitude of team first mentality. The younger the players learn this lesson, the easier it is to get them to buy into the idea.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Oct 31, 2010 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I believe wholeheartedly in the Holy Trinity of football

You have to have the right GM, Coach and QB.

If you have those, regardless of anything else, you have a chance.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

i disagree with your third point...

GM, Coach and O-line…if you don’t have that, I don’t care how good your QB is, he’s gonna be a real good NFL QB.

by TheCowboyFan on Nov 1, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

I think it stands to reason that if your O-line is THAT bad, your QB won’t be there very long, so I think you agree with me without agreeing with me.

The long-term continuity of GM, Coach and QB is really the Central Nervous System of any team. Constant change (trauma) leads to irreparable damage.

At some point, the only hope is to rebuild from the ground up.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

i agree GM/Coach/QB are the most important.

just look at the Patriots, they don’t need L.Mankins to be successful or Randy Moss.
 although i doubt Jerry will give the GM title to anyone but his son, Peter King did say Jerry was a very easy man to work with & did his best to get the players his scouts & coaches requested. also Robert Kraft is very involved with the Patriots everyday operations & Jerry could still goto practices but instead of drooling all over the players he needs to work through the coachs more.
 i wouldn’t trade Choice, Butler & maybe Spencer until we had something better but i would drop Felix & the others like a hot potato on the biggest bidder. i would also trade Romo before the draft if we had any shot of drafting A.Luck to stock pile picks but its not 100% he’s even coming out of college this season. i’m not just a Luck Homer, i’ve seen this kid in some tough situations & he plays with a ton of confidence. Stanford doesn’t always have the top 125 players out of high school but they do have some of the smartest players on the field. if Luck had better talent around him (especially at WR) then it would be scary to see what he’s capable of doing. Luck is not only smart but he’s very talented & he displays that every week, no matter what defense or team he faces.
 i like the idea of Jim Harbough or Cowher as the next HC, Rob Ryan or Butler at DC bc LeBeau loves to put attention to detail to the safety/LB position, we seriously need new scouts & if Jims the coach then it should be easier to pluck someone from the Ravens department, OC is a tough one, JoeD is a Wade guy & you fired anyone who had a connection to him. special teams are just to important to the game not to get someone great, JoeD’s hasn’t improved anything IMO.
 also how has the kid Brent-Price been when in the games? he had a ton of potential but i don’t know if was smart enough to put it together.

by DCNation73 on Nov 2, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe D

Seems like Dez has done a lot for Specials.

Seems like AOA has not.

Hmmm.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Akwasi has been lifeless returning kicks

I definitely didn’t see that coming. Even though he played against little kids in college, he looked good.

Brutal.

Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.

by SportsDrunk on Nov 2, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The guy has no wiggle at all!!!

Compare him with guys like Banks, McCluster and Arenas and we definitely missed there.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

nice
Winnie hahahahaha I just call him Grandpa Wade, Aw shucks guys its ok pizza and ice cream on me after the game!
Garrett might be a moron after all

CULTURE finally somebody on here finally brought this up, with all the armchair gm’s and guru’s on blogs I thought somebody by know would of said something about culture
real head coaches have these, Wade just has a ice cream buffett in the locker room instead
good stuff man, alot of options we have

by Archie Barberio on Oct 31, 2010 6:46 PM CDT reply actions  

DCfanatic's site had a vid up about an interview where Irvin was talking about his list of players that he made

in his first year, wouldn’t it be great if he told Dez to do the same thing, I think that would be awesome if Dez kept a list like that and then gave it to the next coach and said “these guys got to go”.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Oct 31, 2010 6:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking this exact same thing when I saw Dez jawing with the linebacker late in the game

It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith

by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2010 4:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

He had a special relationship with Jimmy so he could do that

The new guy won’t have those ties.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

What if we hired Mike Gundy?

Just kidding

It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith

by Rohpuri on Nov 4, 2010 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Affter reading this post

I really hope you never meet a drunk Jerry Jones in a bar.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 31, 2010 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Your very funny Terry

But Jerry will be there, and he should be so lucky as to find someone like Blings to take over.

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

hardly

trading Romo would be moronic as would drafting Luck. Id rather Jerry keep running the team.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 31, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

And you suppose to imply that Blings couldn’t do a better job than the moronic coaches we have running the team? His decisionmaking would be sound, compared to the circus of decisionmaking the Cowboys have displayed the last decade.

And please spare me the “air” you have with your perspective about “players” and philosiphy Terry. I know all about it, and have been through it before with you.

You are the king of “It’s the players, dummy”

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not implying, I'm saying it as a fact

No, bling would be much worse than Jerry…much worse

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 31, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess Terry

your’e not looking at what Jerry has done!

"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"

by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, I'm looking at what bling wants to do

except for firing Wade it’s all ridiculous

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 31, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was an invitation to give your opinion, so give yours

I believe you started the season by saying I was crazy to think the Cowboys were overrated and were believing their own hype.

I think you also said Sean Lee would be a better pick than Dez Bryant.

How’s that all working out for you now?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way too early to judge this years draft picks

and this season could have been salvaged if Romo didn’t go down. The players quit on the season and in a way I can’t blame them, it’s just not their year, sometimes teams have bad years.

The team doesn’t have to be blown up

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 31, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

that is such bull Terry and you know it...........

this season would not have been salvaged if Romo hadn’t gone down. This team has way too many problems and Romo wouldn’t have made a big difference. In fact, the only good thing about today was the fact that Kitna played pretty well. I agree with Blings that Jerry has way over-paid for players having one good year-Example: Miles Austin. I like Miles Austin, but he oommits way too many penalties and he is responsible for at least three interceptions. I also agree with Blings that this team was over-rated from the beginning of the season. It was all media-hype. According to Raf, Luck is being considered as "Elite-scouts are putting him in the same company as Aikman, Elway, etc.

by texstar on Nov 1, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

we at least would have been competitive with Romo

Without him expect more blowout losses the rest of the year. I think it’s hilarious that you thought Kitna played well because if Romo would have played the same way, everyone would have been blaming him for the loss.

Kitna played like I thought he would, made some good throws, made some bad throws, but obviously the team doesn’t believe in him…thats the big problem right now to even remain competitive.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 1, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

You mean that losing by 4 points is not a loss?

:-)

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

So are wins and losses

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

Apparently, what counts is how close you keep the game going into the fourth quarter.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 1, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cowboys we're very competitive in the games Romo played

They out gained every team they played and the games came down to the very end…thats competitive, win or lose.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 1, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

this is not baseball.........

stats don’t mean anything it’s all about the Wins. As Schottenheimer said this morning, they are doing the same things that they did in pre-season. Run up and down the field without being able to score, have ill-timed penalties, drop passes etc. If you’re going to confuse competitive with winning, I guess you could say Kitna was competitive because he threw for over 350 yards. You always want to bring it back to Romo, which is totally ludicrous. This team has way too many issues including him. If you want to put the blinders on your eyes and pretend that it’s okay to throw for 400 yards and still lose, go ahead and live in your fantasy world.

by texstar on Nov 1, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know fans hate to hear this

but the NFL involves a ton of luck. There was hardly any difference between 1-5 or 3-3 in our first 6 games. I won’t go as far as saying we should’ve been 5-1, because this team has its warts and were bound to lose some of those close games.

We’ve now had like 9 tipped ball interceptions – that kind of number would make Eli Manning appreciate his wrs.

by foyesboys on Nov 1, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is correct

It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith

by Rohpuri on Nov 2, 2010 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

+100

Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.

by iCowboy on Nov 4, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you don't the difference

between being competitive and getting totally outplayed in a game, the’re’s no hope for you.

Has absolutely nothing to do with stats.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 2, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can you define it so we understand where we might agree/disagree?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah I can't wait to see his reply........

isn’t it funny that when Romo puts up all these great stats and they don’t put up any wins or TD’s they were being competitive? However, when somebody else comes in at QB they were being outplayed? Ironic huh? Yeah, they were being outplayed on the defensive side of the ball-no question about that and our receivers can’t catch balls thrown directly in their hands. Have we not seen this earlier with Romo in the game? Terry wants to just say all of this implosion is because Romo is out and all the leadership yada yada yada. My take is this team has not performed all year. It doesnt matter who is at QB. Kitna did pretty well to be off the bench without playing for 2 yrs. This team was ready to implode way before Romo went out. Him being out was just the nail in the coffin.

by texstar on Nov 2, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's obvious

Against the Skins, Bears, Texans, Titans and Vikings, we out gained those teams by over 100 yards and we’re in each game we lost until the very end of the game and in our only win we dominated the Texans. We beat ourselves in those loses.

After Romo gets hurt, we’ve simply been outplayed in every category you can think and it’s been an abomination. GMen and Jags teams simply whipped our ass.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 3, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

So do you think the overall state of the team would be different if the last two losses were more like the first 4?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

no question about it

If Romo doesn’t get hurt, they don’t give up and possibly beat the GMen as well as the Jags.

They gave up from the 3rd qtr of the Gmen game on and we all know why.

What happens to an army when the leader is shot and killed in battle?? They retreat…Cowboys were no different.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 3, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excelltent analogy

It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith

by Rohpuri on Nov 4, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know

you love Dallas, but at 1-4 the way this defense was playing, the way the O was leaving points on the board, the penalties, the terrible mental errors….. they had very little hope of a successful season even if Romo was healthy. they are lacking. and were well before Romo’s clavicle broke.

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by iCowboy on Nov 4, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

you love Dallas, but at 1-4 the way this defense was playing, the way the O was leaving points on the board, the penalties, the terrible mental errors….. they had very little hope of a successful season even if Romo was healthy. they are lacking. and were well before Romo’s clavicle broke.

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by iCowboy on Nov 4, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry I know

you love Dallas, but at 1-4 the way this defense was playing, the way the O was leaving points on the board, the penalties, the terrible mental errors….. they had very little hope of a successful season even if Romo was healthy. they are lacking. and were well before Romo’s clavicle broke.

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by iCowboy on Nov 4, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, Terry

I’m normally with you, man. But this season was sunk before we ever took a snap. The organization is rotten. Not rotting, but rotten. We need to clean house.
I like 5B’s point about the businesslike approach. Where is the good Mr. Landry???

I've nothing to say.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Nov 1, 2010 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again, let's stay on point

You still hold that I was wrong to say Dallas was over-hyped and that you were right in saying Sean Lee was a better long term pick than Dez?

Just want to get the record straight here, Terry.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

have to say terry,

at times you appear to be a Romo fan and not a cowboys fan.
just an impression i get .

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by scotscowboyfan on Nov 1, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha........

be careful there, I said the same thing last week and I opened up a hornets nest.

by texstar on Nov 1, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

i remember that lol.

i like Romo but i love the “cowboys team”,though they are testing me this season :(.

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by scotscowboyfan on Nov 1, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you there.......

I actually thought Kitna did pretty good. If his receivers didn’t keep letting passes bounce off their pads into DB’s hands we might have done better. This team is way too flawed in all areas.

by texstar on Nov 1, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Terry, I want to reply to your question above about those of us saying Kitna played okay.

You asked something like: so if Romo played the same way as Kitna we would be killing him?

The answer is yes and no. No because 3 of 4 INT’s were in our receiver’s hands. But yes because Romo is a top 10 starting QB in the NFL. When Kitna is in the game, we all know he is a BACK-UP. There is a difference. The expectations are lower, and they SHOULD be lower. Kitna played well enough for the rest of the TEAM to win the damn game.

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by fan since '65 on Nov 5, 2010 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah how stupid of me

to forget the Romo haters expect perfection from him

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by Terry on Nov 5, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, you really do not get it, completely obtuse

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by Seanrude on Nov 5, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

you clearly

know nothing about business if you think u can can walk in off of the street and own an nfl team, and manage it, and make it the NFL’s leader in revenue… footballs a business, and Jerry kills it. why don’t you people understand that?

NOBODY ON THIS SITE is qualified to own / manage a professional sports franchise. if anybody was….

they wouldn’t have enough free time to dick around and post their opinions.

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by iCowboy on Nov 4, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

If I was a billionare and owned a NFL team I would hire the people who are qualified to run my team and none of you people would even know my name.

THAT is what makes me more qualified than Jerry.

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by fan since '65 on Nov 5, 2010 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only reply I could think of when I read this was...

“man, this guy is limited.”

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not limited....

I’m Kenny F****g Powers.

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by iCowboy on Nov 5, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

heh heh.

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by fan since '65 on Nov 6, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can Terry be Steve?

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by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

lulz

nobody should be steve ever haha

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by iCowboy on Nov 8, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Steve has Maria!!!

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by 5Blings on Nov 13, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

So the team would be 0-7 instead of 1-6?

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by Seanrude on Oct 31, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we had gotten blown out aginst Houston, I think Jerry would have made some bolder moves...

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Terry is blind when it comes to Romo

Terry would settle for anything to see #9 keep making the same boneheaded decisions everytime he gets pressure on him. no matter how great the OL is defenes will find a way to the QB & Romo can’t change his natural reactions or break down in mechanics when it does.
 Romo is who he is & i hate bashing the guy bc i think he’s a good QB but he’s not all that. when he hit the scene it was like great but after 4 years of looking at his work, decisions in situations i’m not sold on him anymore. sure we got a small window & small chance to win a super bowl with him but its not a long before he becomes the next goat in Dallas

by DCNation73 on Nov 2, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the distinction is

Romo must carry this team in order for it to compete successfully, consistently. I can’t name too many current QB’s who could do that with this bunch, because its dysfunction is so varied and pervasive. Peyton, Brees, Rivers and Brady can do it with their own squads, not sure who could with this version of the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight.

Even in our glory days, Aikman was not required to carry the team, and those were a hell of a lot more talented than this version

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by tdships on Nov 2, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

the fact is that Peyton, Brady and Brees don't have to overcome nearly as much

Rivers is a good comparison. Who is the better QB? Romo or Rivers?

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

but there aren’t many things that I care about personality in my players assholes: fine, self centered: ok, but I seriously HATE everything about Phillip Rivers and his leadership methods.

The defense of him “Oh he’s just competitve” makes me want to puke. He’s such a crybaby.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 2, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, I'm no fan of Rivers personality

But I wasn’t a fan of Prime Time’s either, yet I managed to tolerate it. Something like, he may be an ahole, but he’s my ahole now.

As a pure passer – he probably has the edge on Romo with a stronger arm. At the same time, Romo has a lot more mobility, escapability. Judged purely on record(without looking it up)he’s probably done slightly better overall and certainly won more playoff games. I’d give him the nod at this point, but that in no way means he’d be successful with this lot.

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by tdships on Nov 3, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, unless they are a distraction of some sort, I don't care

When you get to the game, you put on your game face.

Maybe this game needs more players who personalize the enemy and maybe his team feeds off of it.

They don’t have much else other than him and Gates.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rivers

I really don’t like his attitude and how he reacts on the field and talks trash. However, I was shocked to find that in the past five years he had an above 100 QB rating twice, and neither times had an above average rushing game. I have to give him some credit for that.

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by Kegbearer on Nov 3, 2010 5:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

His O-line is a mess too...that's what makes me sit up and take notice

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually DC you're the one who is blind to Romo

If you can’t see his talent and ability, then I guess thats why you dislike as a qb. He clearly doesn’t make as many mistakes or bad decisions as you think, he’s come a long way in the department.

Romo is always improving and his best years are yet to come. Shame you can’t see that or refuse to.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 3, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Terry

Do you think romo is a top 5 QB?

Top 10?

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Come on, you must know the answer to those questions already!

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by Seanrude on Nov 3, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Think I should have said Top 2?

:-)

But really, I want to know where he thinks Romo is and why.

Terry has seen a lot of football and while we disagree a lot, I value his opinion.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you asking current ranking or all time?

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by Seanrude on Nov 3, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

My personal opinion is that he is a top 10 QB.

For what it’s worth. There definitly aren’t 20 QB’s in the league I’d rather have.

He might even be top 5. I’m also not blind to see that his window is closing.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 3, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You once said he "might have choker tendencies"

…if I captured that correctly.

Do you maintain that ambivalence or have you tipped to one side of the Romo fence?

:-)

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think I've ever said that exactly.

Maybe someone did but not me.

Tony Romo is a damn good QB, in the past he’s done some crazy ass things but I don’t think he’s a choker.

I think that he’s made some of the warts on this team tolerable for a long time.

Will he ever be more than what he is? Maybe not. He’s still a top 10 QB in the league.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 3, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes!

Against his contemporaries…

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my Top 10 QB list

1) Tom Brady
2) Ben Roethlisberger
3) Peyton Manning
4) Drew Brees
5) Tony Romo
6) Phillip Rivers
7) Aaron Rodgers
8) Eli Manning
9) Brett Favre
10) Donovan McNabb

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by Rohpuri on Nov 4, 2010 2:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've intentionall left off the following guys

1) Kurt Warner: Retired
2) Joe Flacco: Consistency is an issue, but he should crack list by the end of the season.
3) Matt Schaub: He’s a good thrower of the ball, but he’s got absolutely zero feel for the position. See the MNF loss to Indy.
4) Matt Ryan: He can’t dissect zone defenses, but against man he’s a world beater. I think he’s too overrated.
5) Jay Cutler: flat out garbage
6) Matt Stafford: he should crack top 10 by next season
7) Mark Sanchez: like Flacco, I need to see more consistency, but I think he Flacco, and Stafford will be there next season.
9) Sam Bradford: still too young.

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by Rohpuri on Nov 4, 2010 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

seems reasonable...

I would have McNabb and Favre much lower. And frankly, its ard to put Romo above or below Rivers or Rodgers.

by foyesboys on Nov 4, 2010 2:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blings some good thoughts here.

I like the change in scouting. I love the statement of culture. The change in coaching is a given, but I would allow the new HC to choose as he wished from our present assistants and other staff. He will be choosing the staff to support whatever system he installs. After a proper evaluation of the players and coaches the HC will consult with you and the scouts to determine what is needed player wise. You will be responsible for the trades to get players needed or picks. The scouts will ID players fitting the coaches scheme and the draft board. The final decision on the board will be yours as well as the cap. After that let the people do their jobs.
     On a different note. Jerry has always been known for his loyalty to his people. He is not a cheapskate to those who have played for him. It is disgusting the way this team has folded on him this year. How you see him as GM is another story, but as owner he deserves better than this. An owner who really wants to win and is not afraid to spend to do it. Many fans of others teams would dream of this.

by oldboysfan on Oct 31, 2010 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Amen

That’s why as GM, I still report to Jerry.

I promise to make him…and you…proud to be a Cowboys fan again.

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you Blings

I feel your pain. But after that pain is gone, and a more cooler head starts to evolve, I think you’ll find my suggestion more to your liking….get rid of no players. Let the new Coach do that. He should have the say so.

Maybe now, some of these people that have defended Garrett’s philosiphy on offense will come around and see the error of it. I mean, really, Romo goes down, and we put Kitna in, and the same things that have plagued the team still keep happening? Coincidence, or a Halloween “Boo”?

The philosiphy- let’s hash it out Blings- 18 runs? do you really think that the type of runs out of these 18 were the type that affected the D we were playing? no, because only a couple of them were up the middle anyway. Barber has lost it, Felix can’t run with power and authority, and the only guy that has proven to be a consistent runner sits the bench. Did this run performance help the QB to the point of creating matchups favorable to the WR’s? Did we see any motion on offense? That is the Philosiphy on offense. Thus, failure. It doesn’t matter who we play.

On Defense, I’m with you buddy. Wade is a goo coordinator, but that’s it. this was his last head coaching opportunity. But hey, even though there was no stunting, or any changes on D, at least they did do one thing- they got Barry Church out there, and he was looking to hit someone. He hit Maurice-Jones Drew pretty hard, and was looking to knock people hard. When was the last time you saw that Blings? I, for one, was glad they finally did some sort of change on defense.

We can talk about new players, and current players all you want, but until the philosiphy changes, especially on offense, nothing will change. We will keep seeing the same re-run every week with the tipped passes for turnovers, the interceptions, and wondering why it happened, and asking whatever happened to the running game.

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by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2010 7:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Choice looked solid in getting his touches tonight

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's hungry

And you know what kind of back he is? He’ll always be hungry, his whole career. he wants the ball, and he wants to make a difference, and he wants the chance to show. I think he is the kind of RB that will direct the Oline as to what they should do. After what’s going on with the oline, he may be the only one to get through to them, cause the coaches aint.

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by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd start him and see what he has...

heck, I’d give McGee a shot at some point.

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way Blings

We shouldn’t tradeTashard for anything less than a second rd. pick . We actually need to keep him though. Felix is a situational RB, and does not run with enough power for my liking. Tashard will be our best RB in the future.

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by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2010 7:22 PM CDT reply actions  

as soon as u said holdng on to sensi......

u shud be fired too… JJ did what he usually do get drunk and make bad decesions…
givin the keys to u seem to be a mistake already…

by lostar2009 on Oct 31, 2010 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Only because it's difficult to bring in two new safeties and have them play with CB's who need help over the top

Sensei is a one year stopgap. You have to have transition plans and you can’t just jettison the whole team in one offseason.

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

he quit tho.... he quit

u just cant have that in the locker room….

i just go with church.. suck it in b4 i sign Sensi again

by lostar2009 on Nov 1, 2010 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like your ideas 5Blings

though I will disagree with you on Witten. The "Heart and Soul "is Romo.

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Oct 31, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Romo will be 31 next year and he isn't the big, strong QB that teams are leaning toward now

It’s time to go find one of the new breed of 6’5" 235 lb. guys with a canon arm so we can take advantage of the abilities of Dez and Miles going forward. It will take 2 years to rebuild the O-line and by that time, it may be too late for Romo.

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're going to appreciate the fanpost I have in store.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 1, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't I always?

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

some scouts are putting Luck in the franchise QB category..........

got to take a serious look at him. Hey I like Romo, but this is a business. You have to build for the future. I know Terry will be all over this but you have to build for the future. Good example, we knew that our OLine was getting old, but we didn’t address it last year. Look where we are now. We knew we needed safeties, but we didn’t address it. Look at us now. You have ti taje tgat sane approach with the QB position. You can’t worry about hurting Tony’s feelings.

by texstar on Nov 1, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

there is no guarantee Luck will be a great qb

Romo is entering the prime of his career, his age doesn’t matter because he started late in his career. Romo will be great probably well over 35, this team needs to address defense and the OL, not qb.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 1, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1000000

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by Kegbearer on Nov 1, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

do u think so?

Do u think thz team is acting like thz bc of romo not being there?

or is the fact the Gianst sack and took romo out the game follow by the worst a** beatn they have gotten in years?

U guys r forgetting thz team was 1-4 with Romo!!!

Its deeper than Romo guys im sorry.

by lostar2009 on Nov 1, 2010 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

agree completely.........

I doubt that we would have won yesterday with Romo to tell you the truth. What Terry seems to have forgotten, it the Giants were holding us to field goals when Romo was in there. We werent scoring TD’s. Our defense was still giving up yards. If you go back and look at the game, we were down 24-20 at half. Our team didn’t even know that Romo was out until half-time.

by texstar on Nov 1, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

you made by point for me

24-20 we’ll still in the game. When they learn Romo’s done for 8 weeks they allow two easy Giants scoes…coincidence? I think not.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 2, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't they allow an EASY 24 points before that point?

I think you assign so much importance to Him (see what I did there?) that you lose sight of the fact that after the G-Men stopped turning it over, the game was theirs.

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dallas O only had 13 points

off three short fields. The game was lost when they failed to take advantage of those turnovers to a higher degree. No killer instinct

by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's killer instinct.

It’s lack of concentration and execution. Miles Austin drops a well thrown TD pass on that second turnover.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 2, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think they LACK focus

…rather than losing it…which is a different thing entirely.

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pavlov's dog(s)

You develop focus through training. This team’s sunday performances are a reflection of what they do from Monday through Saturday (and all through pre-season) which is train in a way that pales in comparison to the intensity of their competitors.

I think that comes from the Head coach and then, by extension, the assistants.

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You may be right

It may be that too many on this team lack Witten’s passion and fire.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like you want an expansion draft? Just start over?

One important criteria – losing has to hurt; losing has to sting; losing has to tear you apart inside. No more returning home to million dollar mansions and high-rise condos. Give us players who play with intensity, emotion, and football intelligence, traits missing from the circus Jerry Jones made of the Cowboys.

by bresson on Oct 31, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

This might sound crazy

I’d add bradie James to that list of players that have to go

by traderchris on Oct 31, 2010 9:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

You are traderchris

let’s see if we can get something for him in a trade

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by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Bradie is slightly above average.

I think its certainly time to find a replacement, but there is no sense in trading him until you have that guy or a guy who you think could be that guy.

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by Creasy729 on Oct 31, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's exactly right

You focus on the worst of the worst and work your way UP the list.

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea but he leads the team in tackles..

He was caught in a mismatch.. period…. Wade scheme errors

by lostar2009 on Nov 1, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

That Lewis TD wasn’t really his fault. Still though, the guy is 29 and it is time to plan for the future.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 1, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like it due to the creative nature.

Of course you can’t actually trade all of those guys, not that you CAN’T just that you wouldn’t be able too.

I think before you would do anything, you go back to your new head coach and cooridnators and let them take a look at these guys. No offense to you or anyone else on this board, but all of us are strictly intelligent fans.

I want a football guy to look at these guys and say “Yes, No, Oh God No”

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by Iron Fist on Oct 31, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I think you will be surprised Fist

What a real football guy can do with these players- on offense AND defense

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by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or rather

I know you won’t be, but others that believe it is “the players” will

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by DallasPalace on Oct 31, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

…except in cases where I think the cultural shift would be hampered by keeping them.

Also, Just because players are on the block doesn’t mean they go anywhere unless I get good value for them (i.e. I would trade Fatt for Gaither if I got good draft picks for Bennett and Choice).

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah of course.

There are players that I feel have untapped talent(mainly because we’ve seen it before.), I’m talking about Spencer and Jenkins.

I rec’d you for sure. It’s good stuff.

Going to be an interesting offseason.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 1, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow,

You mentioning the offseason already just put me at a new low. This is really happening, isn’t it?

I've nothing to say.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Nov 1, 2010 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great post

A few comments: On the coaching situation, I agree about Cowher. Not a fan. Since he left the Steelers, have they missed him? Nope. The Steelers are a high-functioning organization. Cowher was an effective cog in their machine, but he’s not much more than that, IMO.

For the coordinators, the key is to let the head coach pick his own staff. Chain of command is important, and it’s violated when Jerry picks his head coach’s assistants. And, as a Bay Area resident with a closeup view of Mike Singletary, I can tell you that he’s not coordinator material. He’s not much of a football mind. He’s a fire and brimstone motivational speaker, but that’s it.

This team does have a lot to build upon, and I don’t see a prolonged rebuilding period if we make the right decisions this offseason, but who knows what Jerry will do?

"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu

by East Bay Ray on Oct 31, 2010 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, history says Jerry will do what he always does...

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that history is mixed

Will he hire a strong system-builder like Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells? Or will he hire a weak puppet like Dave Campo or Wade Phillips?

"One defends when his strength is inadequate, he attacks when it is abundant."
~Sun Tzu

by East Bay Ray on Oct 31, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing Gruden is the leading candidate right now

I think Jerry is a teeter-totter and thinks the offense is the group that now needs juice and he’ll look for a guy who knows offense.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jim Harbaugh is my guy for the job

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by Rohpuri on Nov 4, 2010 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too much turnover to be considered realistic but I agree with the general direction.

And also, I think you would be surprised at how a guy like Leonard Davis has absolutely zero trade value with his contract and level of play.

As for OC, I hadn’t really thought about it because I would want the HC to choose but David Lee is a name I like.

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by Creasy729 on Oct 31, 2010 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

While I am thinking about it, the one thing I definitely don't agree with is that a lot of the people you seem so apt to trade or cut

are what I would consider young (and somewhat talented) assets (Felix, Choice, Marty B, Jason Williams – who at least deserves one more training camp). I totally agree with trimming the fat on this team by getting rid of underperforming and overpaid players (back to the 2009 offseason strategy), but it doesn’t make good business sense to cut or trade young guys who have either not gotten their shot or who are still developing. That is getting rid of guys just to get rid of guys and that isn’t exactly the kind of cost-benefit analysis that good teams run on.

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by Creasy729 on Oct 31, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, on the trading block only gives me options...I don't need 3 stud RB's...I need stud a stud OG that one of them can run behind

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose I see what you are saying

to just see what the market gets you, but practically I guess those are guys I personally would hold on to unless I was absolutely floored by an offer.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 1, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buy low, sell high

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not so sure Choice even gets Dallas a 4 (much less a 3), and there’s no way in hell anyone is giving up a 4 for Gurode or Davis – Those guys have virtually no value whatsoever at this point. Not even sure if Bennett would attract a 4 for that matter either. Low production, high maintenance – Kind of crazy the to think what the Bengals were rumored to have offered for that guy a couple years ago.

I do agree with a number of your points though.

by JimmyK on Oct 31, 2010 10:03 PM CDT reply actions  

if that

Bengals rumor had any truth to it ….. I guarantee Jerry is licking himself for not taking it right now.

by Dub_TC on Nov 1, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you may be right

Maybe they translate into something like Gurode and a 6th (from Crayton) for a 4th.

I disagree on Choice and think he is highly regarded by several teams.

In fact, Choice would be a perfect complement to McCoy in Philly, Jackson in GB and would be a welcomed addition in N.O. and in Indy.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nitpicks

guys like Bowen and Igor are not overpaid.

Butler just seems to need more playing time …

by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 31, 2010 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I really want to overhaul our front 3

Maybe move Rat to DE, sign Franklin from the 49ers to clog the middle and find another DE who can win one on one matchup’s regularly.

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I used to be against Rat to end

but this year it is looking like the right call.

I think Bowen does a good job of rushing in nickel situations

by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 31, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's Clear Something Positive Must Be Done

I Wish we could go publicly owned team like Green Bay.I would buy shares just to send Jerry back to Arkasas where he belongs.

As Long as Jerry is going to run this team we are doomed no matter what moves we make.

The reason we all want Cower as our coach is because he would not take any shinola off of Jerry.If Jerry hires another YES man and not a football man we will be doomed to repeat what is happening to the team now.

Bling is right you have to start somewhere and do something.Most of who goes and who stays is up for grabs.You can’t let a guy go unless you have a replacement who is equal or better.

Right now I want the paper bag franchise at Cowboy Stadium.

by TCB Orange Dino on Oct 31, 2010 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Sometimes you let a guy go (dare I say T.O.) because that player is in the way of a paradigm shift

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you may not have someone as good or better...

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wade is not a brilliant defensive mind.

He’s good, but certainly not brilliant. Brilliant defensive minds don’t allow two straight games of playing the worst defense in football.

Is it NFL time yet?

by Grady90 on Oct 31, 2010 11:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I dunno

Having watched every game last year twice now, I think he’s a pretty good DC. He knows how to generate pressure. He doesn’t know how to generate accountability.

He’s no slouch on the defensive side of the ball in the same way Norv Turner is a good OC.

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by 5Blings on Oct 31, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I think that he has had three things happen that have really hurt the D.

1) ILB’s are a huge problem for this team. Nobody respects their ability to blitz.

2) Safeties mixed in with that leaves nothing to fear in the middle of the field.

3) I think the players are trying to force to much at times. It seems as if they are getting worse each game.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 1, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep

I think Ware and Spencer have struggled because they are trying to do too much to make up for the fact that the defense needs to make plays with Romo out.

I also think Jenkins isn’t having an awful season, the poor safety help has hurt him.

Sense has been around average for us, and I think we’ll keep him just because its so hard to completely revamp your defense like we may need too.

I think this defense could look very different in a year. we’ll need a nickel cb (maybe a high pick since newman can’t be relied on for much longer), a safety, at least one ilb and probably a de or two. Thats a huge makeover.

by foyesboys on Nov 1, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with everything

mostly because what you are suggesting is just too much roster turnover, but good post.

One thing is clear to me – evaluating the play of players this season is going to be awfully difficult. Do we start from scratch? cause honestly I can’t think of a single player outside McBriar who has consistently played great ball. There does not appear to be a single elite player (like Witten and Ware in years past) who we can rely on. The defense is self cannabolizing – how do we evaluate these guys?

Or do we use the 2009 Giants as a model – that defense was very good talentwise and had an awful season. They got a new DC, signed a couple safeties and otherwise made few changes.

by foyesboys on Nov 1, 2010 12:25 AM CDT reply actions  

What a great post...

I am mystified, horrified, and disappointed to the extreme over the sorry condition of a once great franchise. Honestly, I did not see this coming. I’m not a football genious but it seems we should start w/ the head coach. I do like Gruden, not sure he’d want to come. No one has mentioned Tony Dungy, to my surprise. Has he said he is absolutely finished as a head coach? Dungy isn’t like this, but we need someone that the players respect and maybe even fear a little. Cowher does as well, but I’ve never really liked him. We’ll probably get one of this year’s “genious” coordinators from another team. No college coaches, please, it just don’t work. Thanks!

by JayAir on Nov 1, 2010 2:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks JA

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice work, 5B

as always. Rec’d…
I’d take Cowher before Gruden. I personally give Dungy more credit for the Tampa SB than most fans do. Gruden won against a team that he was intimately familiar with, using Dungy’s team. They had been close for years…
Other than that I agree with almost everything you said. I love the back to business approach. Nothing is needed more…

I've nothing to say.

by BlueNSilverBlood on Nov 1, 2010 6:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Some great ideas, but...

I like a lot of what you said, but have some serious issues. Yes, we need Jerry to higher a GM. Yes, we need to establish a new culture not defined by media hype and some preordained right of success. But as others said, the new GM (you) AND coach need to evaluate talent together before you make the decisions, but I get why you make suggestions before getting to that point. I too wouldn’t trade Witten, but would also keep Bennett. I would love to get Ngata or some big body NT so that Ratliff could play DE.
However, in a business sense approach – but unfortunately that is a lot of what Jerry does and thus doens’t fire or allow players with high salaries to be benched, but anyway – it doesn’t make sense to trade 1st round picks like Spencer and Jenkins for 2nd or 3rd round picks. These guys have talent, just not playing that way with this current team. But even Ware didn’t play well yesterday with this team. In fact, no one has mentioned how bad he really was. His lack of contaiment led to the Jags two longest runs. A great point foyesboys made is the Giants. Sure, they had some bad injuries, but look at how much better the Def is playing with a new DC.
Choice and Felix should be our starting RBs next year and trading them doesn’t make sense.
With all the player moves you would make, it would mean 2-3 years of rebuilding and by that point, the mediocrity may get you fired.
Not that you suggested it, but I would NOT draft Luck and try to trade Romo. That would ensure the 2-3 year rebuilding plan and I have seen too many 1st round QBs become busts because they play behind an offensive line like ours.
I think our secondary becomes vastly improved if we draft Peterson, play him alongside Jenkins, and let Newman cover the slot. With some better defensive scheming and less man coverage with no pressure (i.e. this year) our secondary doesn’t seem so terrible. I don’t resign (Non)Sense, but draft a safety with upside in the mid rounds (or FA pickup) and let the young guys compete for starting job (AOA, Church, McCray, and draft pick).
Yes, fire all the coaches, but no need to throw Juraszek under that bus. I think he is great and the low number of Cowboys injuries, yes has to do with luck also, but I think he has a lot to do with it. Good rehab, good physical training, it’s basically age that is causing the Cowboys current injuries. I also like Ray Sherman and think you should look at him as a possible OC candidate. Don’t know if he has the strategy and ability to create an offensive gameplan, but he certainly good help with that new culture and be a motivator, so have the coach interview him to make sure. Those two guys are the ones that I would suggest to the new coach to consider keeping.

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by Kegbearer on Nov 1, 2010 6:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow

Sorry for the long response, that’s stream of conciousness for you.

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by Kegbearer on Nov 1, 2010 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

You LOVVVVVVVVE you some Peterson, dontcha?

:-)

But the draft doesn’t work that way. You can’t pick a player and laser focus on him or you will overpay. And who says HE isn’t a bust?

You only get so many top 5 picks (unless you’re the Raiders). Better to miss on a franchise QB than a stud DB.

ACK! @ Ray Sherman.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but

it is less common for a Top5 CB to be a bust than a Top 5 QB. Also, looking at our team, we will need a stud CB sooner than a stud QB – considering we already have one. That is why I would rather have Peterson and Luck.
Look at it this way, if we draft Luck we then either have him on the bench to learn for a year or two, or we trade Romo and start him..hoping to get lucky (see what I did there?). Now, I don’t think we would get two 1st rounders like some think. But even if with a 1st, would we get a player like Peterson later in the draft, unlikely.
So, would you rather have Luck at QB and TNew and Jenkins at CB with a rookie in the slot, or keep Romo (who has experience and will likely be better than a rookie QB for at least a year, maybe two) and “the next Revis” (sorry had to say it since some are already calling Luck the next Manning) and Jenkins – what would be one of the best CB duos in the league – with TNew in the slot? Personally, I think this would be more immediate help and keeps us (makes us) competitive if we then get some good linemen in the 2nd and 3rd.
Now, Iam not really trying to target one player in the draft, just position. Trust me, if there was a top 5 talented O-linemen, I wouldn’t be this high on Peterson.
5Blings, would you really rather have Luck and trade Romo, than keep a known commodity at QB and draft Peterson?

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by Kegbearer on Nov 1, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think safeties now have more marquee value than CB's in this NFL

But look at the difference a standout young QB makes.

I’ll cite Pittsburgh, Atlanta and St. Louis as examples.

Like I said, top 5 picks are few and far between. When you get one, you’d better take a risk on someone who can change the game for your team like Randy Moss and not go safe with someone like Greg Ellis.

It’s that kind of daring that brought Dallas’ most dynamic player in over a decade to this team in Dez Bryant.

The notion of what I would do is clouded by an absenbce of context. But living on the West Coast, I get plenty of opportunities to watch Luck play (yes, I saw what you did there) and while I wouldn’t say he reminds me of Aikman, he DOES remind me of Ben Roethlisberger (without the alleged raping and stuff) in how he throws, moves in the pocket and runs when he has to.

Again, too early to tell…but, as GM of a team that is now the laughing stock of the league, no one on my team is safe. NO ONE.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Never should have passed on Steven Jackson in 2004

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by Rohpuri on Nov 4, 2010 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Safeties are more important.

The NFL is now too sophisticated to play man coverage a lot. Zone defenses are more important. Good safeties are the key.

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by fan since '65 on Nov 5, 2010 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still waiting for Barber/Jones to get cut/traded/injured

So I can see more Choice this year.

Also would like to see ANYONE other than Ball at safety.

Seriously… put the water boy out there.

by Damnsammit on Nov 1, 2010 7:49 AM CDT reply actions  

That's at least the changes I'm expecting Damnsammit

I want to see the game revolve around the run, and with Choice.

And I want a new fs- Church, Awusu-Ansa, McCray- anyone but Ball.

Remember at the beginning of the year, Grizz was always writing he was worried about Ball? He wrote it quite a few times. Well, now we see why he wrote that in the first place.

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by DallasPalace on Nov 1, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Culture

The biggest issue is about lack of accountability. Think about it. We’re 1-6, so lots of stuff must have gone wrong. Who’s been benched? Who’s been fired? Who’s been made to significantly change the way they do things?

This is THE issue with the Cowboys and has been for quite some time. And it’s not even Wade. It is culturally ingrained in the organization, starting at the top with Jerry, but continuing all the way down.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 1, 2010 7:53 AM CDT reply actions  

It has to begin and end with Wade

Regardless of who the owner and GM (aka your boss) is, you have to be successful despite their shortcomings.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

bingo

needs a nice house cleaning.

by Dub_TC on Nov 1, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

When Alex Barron wasn't cut immediately

when he was seen yucking it up after the washington meltdown…… well as many here said, it should have been automatic. Looking back on it, for me, that was the canary in the coal mine for this year.
Was that because wade was just too soft? Or was it because he was scared jj wouldn’t like it? Or was it just because wade felt we were too weak on the oline to lose anybody. Does anybody truly believe wade has been calling those shots?
We can change coaches. Again. And we will be back here in another 4 years. We are now headed toward 20 yrs since the Cowboys have mattered to NFL Championships. There is only one constant in that time. The Man. If you love the Cowboys as you say, step down jj. Get football men to run this organization again.

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by jstaubach on Nov 1, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

…but let’s not think football men will solve all problems unless they change the culture. Dan Snyder has had a few “football men” run his team who haven’t solved their equation either.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically there has only been 2 benchings this year

That I can think off only Davis and Gronkowski have hit the bench. Is that coaching staff that afraid to bench someone??

by Antonio S on Nov 1, 2010 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Choice got it good after that fumble. He didn’t take another snap until last game.

by G_SWAG on Nov 1, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

Forgot about that one

by Antonio S on Nov 1, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree with alot

but..

no way do I trade Choice and Jones- I firmly believe they’ve shown what they can do with the football when given the chance. Add to that their relatively cheap contracts and it’s a no brainer that with so many parts to replace, you keep both of these unique runners on the roster for at least another season. Barber is definitely a cut.

I don’t think you get the high draft choices you’ve suggested either.

Making us go three-wide as our standard set, means that one of the tight ends is expendable. 3 wides, one TE and one RB on the field for most plays. We don’t need 3 pass catching tight ends. Really regret not trading Martellus for Cincy’s first at the deadline last year, aren’t we???

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by KD Drummond on Nov 1, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Huge mistake not trading Telly

That would be the previous GM’s error. I promise not to make those gaffes.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like it

I think we should release Barber, and keep Choice. if they can get a 4th for Bennett, do it. I don’t think they would though.

I also think the next 2 drafts needs to be OL heavy. Time to address that part of the team.

I agree that the new coach needs to pick his own assistants. That’s a must.

Good post.

by Dub_TC on Nov 1, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Barber's a keeper until the line gets fixed or any QB I have gets killed...

I think we learned that last Monday, didn’t we?

Truly, I think it is Jones that has been the letdown of the group and he is the one who might have trade value. If I could get a middle to high 2nd rounder for him, I might bite.

I like the idea of starting Choice and spelling him with Barber.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

just for arguments sakes

how do you say the guy with the best YPC out of the 3, is the letdown?

Wouldn’t the guy with the best YPC be a better option once the line gets fixed?

Also, his pass protection has made HUGE strides this season

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by KD Drummond on Nov 1, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buy low. sell high

Keep in mind, I’m building a power running team, not a finesse team like the one we have. He probably wouldn’t fit in.

I would have picked Mendenhall first and said so in the 2008 draft. I think Felix will never be a great pass catcher and can’t break most arm tackles and needs to play on a zone blocking team. Maybe Dan Snyder would give me a #2 for him that I can leverage into a starting Guard.

The draft is problematic for Dallas this year because there aren’t any O-linemen looking like top 5 picks.

It may be safer to look at trading down into a spot where they land a Rahim Moore (that’s a Bruin homer pick for me, just so you know) kind of guy and have two 2nd rounders to address the O-line.

 

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

since you're into a power running game

what about using the first round pick on Mark Ingram?

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by Rohpuri on Nov 4, 2010 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not if I don't trade two of my 3 existing backs

RB isn’t a need.

No back, no matter how good they are, could get much traction running behind this line the way this OC calls games.

That has to be changed first. The RB is the last piece of the puzzle (not the first) when building a championship franchise.

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly

if they keep Barber and use him as a short yardage guy, I’m fine with that. He’s not a feature back, and I don’t think he should play like one. He should have like maybe 5 carries a game.

I love Choice, and I think he’s the best all around RB we have. I’d love it if he started.

by Dub_TC on Nov 1, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can't believe I am saying this

But if we can trade Choice and Felix for a pair of 2nd rounders, perhaps parlay it into a 1st round pick…I would consider drafting Engram. Then we wouldn’t have to worry about short yardage or speed or 3rd down backs, we would have one all-round (plain and simple) Running Back.

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by Kegbearer on Nov 1, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Do you think that is smart?

Seems like the days of one back are over (unless y ou have AP or CJ2K) because of the injury thing.

I think Felix brings the most in trade value.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

thus the “I cna’t believe I am saying this.” But after watching highlights of Ingram, it made we wish we could run the ball. Besides, if we only run 20 times, let it be a well rounded back that does it and then fix Barber’s contract to back him up or move Lnyae Miller up from PS or osmething. In the end, it is probably just the nostalgia of watching a talented back with the #22.

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by Kegbearer on Nov 1, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're getting rid of too much for one year.

Getting rid of the entire Offensive or Defensive line isn’t that smartest idea. Get rid of the worst players that you can find a replacement for. Sign Logan Mankins as the LT, move Free to RT. Holland takes over for Davis and we make sure to draft someone to replace Holland by the next year. Gurode and Kosiar can stay but they also need replacements from the draft for the next year, with the possibility that one of those 2 becomes the back-up or Costa takes over if he pans out well throughout this year. Defensive Line, move Ratliff to Igor’s spot, put Josh Brent as the NT. Keep Spears in his spot but draft a replacement or let one of the younger guys try for the job. OLBs are safe. Keep Bradie James, but replace Brooking with a stud or try out Lee. I don’t feel like Lee is the best fit for this as we need a REALLY good LB. Draft another Cornerback to eventually replace Scandrick/Newman, possibly a smaller school play maker. Keep Sensabaugh and move Ball to a backup CB/S and either draft a star Safety or get one in FA.

Top draft needs are: Safety, OL and LB. With a smaller emphasis on DL.

Trade Marty B, try to trade Columbo and Davis. Trade one or 2 of the RBs. Possibly trade Roy Williams. For the most part, all of the non-starters are either trade-bait or cuttable. They will all be given a chance to win the rosters spots, but all of them are up for grabs.

I don’t know as much with coaches and what not, but I like Schott as head coach and Pettine as Defensive Coordinator. I’m not biased on OC.

by Static on Nov 1, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

My approach is that talent plays second fiddle to hunger and passion for the game

I’ll take a team of nobodies who’ll leave everything on the field rather than a bunch of highly skilled prima donnas who cannot make the sacrifices needed to propel the team forward.

In a rebuilding scenario, this is critical to culture change.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some interesting thoughts,

but I just don’t agree with the details of the plan. David Lee for offensive coordinator? Sorry, but no. Trade Felix? Nuh-uh. Hiring Jim Harbaugh, a guy that’s had moderate success in what has been, up until this year, a cupcake conference, and no rings to show for it? No way.

I also have no clue why you’d want to get rid of Juraszek. And throwing Wade Wilson under the bus? He’s hardly the problem.

by Admiral Dallas on Nov 1, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry if I hit on guys you like, but the team needs a facelift

I am not looking to build a team that has to overcome the sins of its past. I want one that can welcome in a new leadership paradigm with no ties to the old guard.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

So What Really Happened?

5Blings… I haven’t commented in a long time, but this post sort of hit a nerve. First, I really enjoyed what you wrote. I don’t necessarily agree with it all, but I liked how you penned it. Which brings me to my point…

What the hell really happened since December of last year? All the national mediots, local columnists and most fans have now taken up pitchforks and want Wade’s head served up on a stick. All things considered — I would probably agree it’s time for him to go. But how did a team that made the second round of the playoffs last year and added a big time playmaker and a swapped a few moving parts here and there fall so far — so fast? From powerhouse to pushover? I just feel like in the rush for to crucify Wade, nobody is really getting into what happened… and why.

I don’t profess to have the answer. But, to me… it seems like this team lost a couple of games it could have easily won. It seems like this team is still brimming with talent. If Jerry makes a well deserved coaching change and perhaps overhauls the O-line and a few other postions, is it really a stretch to think this team couldn’t be one of the top teams in the NFC next year with a healthy Romo (assuming there is a season)?

Wade’s got to go, but please, let’s not overreact. Thanks for your post.

by Boundforbeach on Nov 1, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Mental toughness

In any game, or any season for that matter, a team has to face adversity. There are really only two outcomes possible. The team overcomes it or it does not.

There is a confluence of things that lead up to a collapse such as this, but the fact is, this team has never, under Jerry sans Jimmy, been considered mentally tough enough to overcome adversity.

Last year, you have to give them SOME credit for overcoming a piece of the “can’t play well in December/January” thing. But I think fans overreacted to the win against New Orleans and we had built a team that was matched up well against an injury-riddled Eagle team.

I think I was pretty open about my opinion about this year’s team and that I had lots of concerns about their mental toughness. clearly, their ‘adversity’ in 2010 centered around being the favorite and how to handle their business in light of the exponentially higher expectations that come with that.

When training camp opened, it was clear this team was headed for a fall based on practice habits, a lack of accountability and a leadership void that OCC has illuminated here

I don’t think this is anything new for those that didn’t get caught up in the stats of last season or the fervor of last season’s playoff win. The holes on this team may be no bigger than on other teams, but the cultural, almost laissez faire way of conducting themselves is inexcusable and the coach has to shoulder that blame. The propagation of that laid-back mentality among players (prominent and otherwise) must be eradicated like the cancer it is.

Wade is not mentally tough, By extension, neither is the roster. Much has to change in order to restore the team’s intestinal fortitude.

By the way, as I have said before, I truly welcome your well-written commentaries and hope you’ll comment more often.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the response. I tend to agree that lack of mental toughness is a big part of what’s going on here. I think Charles Haley made a comment to that effect recently, something about this being a team of stars and no one wants to do the dirty work. But I still can’t believe that’s all there is. We were tough enough to post a winning season, knock off an undefeated Saints last team (and eventual Superbowl winner) before pasting the Birds in back-to-back games. Yet, suddenly, just a few short months later— we’re the Detroit Lions of three years ago.

To be sure, change is needed. I guess the real question is how much. I tend to think a change in coaching and a few important positions and some tough love might be enough to have the desired effect. Tearing the whole house down (or much of it) just seems like it could be overkill and set us too far back.

by Boundforbeach on Nov 1, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I use the Jimmy years as the blueprint

They had to be 3-13 before they could become 13-3.

The roster that was 3-13 was nowhere near the same as the one that was 13-3.

The kind of cultural shift we are talking about is not about tough love or a different guy with the challenge flag in his pocket.

We’re talking about building a new foundation for the house while living in it.

This won’t be easy or just a minor inconvenience. To get it right, everyone is going to have to raise their pain threshold.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW, thanks for bringing up Haley

He often waxes about the “sacrifice” that he and his teammates made to fuel the team’s success.

You don’t hear that about this team.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Late to the party

but to see this fanpost only a few short weeks after your “never give up hope” fanpost pretty well sums up the blinding crash this team has suffered.

JJ is approaching Al Davis status with his refusal to see the obvious. Bring in a new HC who is willing to get his hands dirty and start rebuilding. In today’s NFL, change can come quickly so we need to rebuild the Oline, secondary and bring in a blue chip QB to start grooming, now.

I hope Wade finishes the season out so we are guaranteed the #1 draft pick because I don’t see this team winning more than one or two games this year.

by Billito on Nov 1, 2010 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

JJ is approaching Al Davis status with his refusal to see the obvious.

I understand the point you are making, but the Raiders are 4-4

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by Seanrude on Nov 1, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

but they have suffered years of piss poor play as well as laid waste to a ton of top 5 draft picks. Odds decree that they had to win some games eventually.

by Billito on Nov 1, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And they have a coach

that is willing to punch one of his coordinators. How great would that be, to hear Wade punched Garrett because we weren’t running enough or he refused to bench Bigg…would that bring some fire and accountability to this team?!

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by Kegbearer on Nov 2, 2010 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Now that IS crazy!!!

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Call it a different kind of hope, Billito

:-)

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Romo went down, my hope went out the window.

Call me stupid, but when Romo is in the game, I always feel like we have a chance to come back. ALWAYS. I love the dude and I’m eagerly awaiting next year for his return.

by Static on Nov 1, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Culture

One of the things that often goes without discussion is the intense scrutiny that Cowboys are constantly under.

The media and the fans are omnipresent and highly oppressive when anything but a bling results from their season.

As a result, you need a strong personality at the head coaching spot. That person has to be able to withstand the constant criticism and not buckle under the pressure. I’ve seen Wade look like a guy who WANTS to be somewhere else during those press conferences. I want a guy who WANTS to be there and who takes those bullets so his team can be insulated from the chaos.

Look, if finding the next Vince Lombardi was easy, everyone would have one coaching their team. Dallas needs a micro-manager who will insert hiimself into every bit of minutiae that presents itself and who will exert absolute and total control of his team.

Right now, you’d have to think Gruden is the guy they will lean towards, but a lot can (and will) change.

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 6:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I would stay away from Chucky.

I would copy the Steelers method and avoid retreads that may only work for a limited amount of time. I want that young upcoming guy who can be our coach for the next 10-15 years.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 1, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree but

JJ thought that JG was that guy and I fear he may pick another stinker.

by Billito on Nov 1, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually think JG was that guy (I still am one of his few remaining supporters).

I think now though JG has been tainted by this whole hierarchy and the team just needs a new start. It’s a shame because I think he will find success elsewhere.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 1, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The last bastion of support for JG

You’re like the Brock Marion of his defense!!!

:-)

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha yeah.

I certainly am not the Alan Ball of his defense.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 2, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he appreciates your steadfast support in the face of so much adversity

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

I find it hard to attribute this teams problems to garrett. I think its evident from his gameplans that he would like to have a better offensive line. The mistakes and penalties have plagued this team forever. I think hes done a relatively good job of making up for the holes on this offense. I think Garrett will go to a team with a young qb and without an overbearing owner and excel.

I think we need new personnel, specifically on the oline. I want to see a new coach be able to mold that group and our rb situation however he wants.

by foyesboys on Nov 3, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

But a team that goes from division winner to 1-6 has bigger problems than a couple of roster moves and a new HC

This team, IMHO, has the talent to score many more points than it has scored since 2007.

Failure to do so has to fall on JG’s shoulders. Period.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't agree

that OL was dominant and much younger and healthier. There wasn’t a single defense untill december that got consistent pressure on Romo.

This team has continuously regressed offensively since 2007 and imo that is mostly due to the line. I honestly doubt Garrett told Jerry to trade 2 1sts and 2 3rds for RW and Bryant. If he did, then he should be fired. But c’mon…you know these were Jerry’s moves. I refuse to blame Garrett for the failures of our GM and scouting department.

by foyesboys on Nov 3, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know anything behind the scenes for sure

You can refuse to blame JG for personnel moves, but not for failing to give this team an offensive identity. Our O-line is average, but it’s no worse than San Diego’s. Why do they score points and we don’t? We certainly have better skill players.

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wish our line could buy our QB as much time as San Diego’s.

I don’t know where you get average from, and if you think it is average then you need to go ahead and acknowledge Jason Garrett’s scheme is making a terrible o-line look almost average in past protection.

by G_SWAG on Nov 5, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see 4-5 games per year at the Q

It’s the team nearest where I live. This could be a case of the grass always being greener, but my perspective is one of a Cowboys fan who is constantly subjected to Charger talk.

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by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Brian Schottenheimer and Perry Fewell(even though he is a “player’s coach” he is a high energy guy who schemes well and is currently making the Giants very tough) are my hopefuls.

by Rat-Pack on Nov 1, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Schottenheimer?

 He of the hapless offensive output this past weekend? Why not just give it to JG in that case?

Fewell isn’t all that. Tennessee owned him. I need to see more before we know what he’s about.

I guess all candidates have warts, eh?

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Jim Harbaugh

He’s the man!

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by SportsDrunk on Nov 1, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Was thinking about everyone wanting Schotti when I my friend in Jersey was going off on a rant at how terrible Schotti gameplans are depending on the week. Lots of up and down, little consistency. I think he is off my list.

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by Kegbearer on Nov 2, 2010 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you have to get away from the standard

Gruden might be the best of the retreads, but I’m thinking Jerry has to look further from home.

What about Ferentz from Iowa?

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

A few complaints

First, why are you considering Jim Harbaugh? The guy is a head coach at Stanford, and you are going to think about hiring him to the most scrutinized coaching position on the continent?

Second, Tom C should stay, we just need to overhaul the O Line coaching/scouting. The Cowboys always seem to be finding value with UDFAs and lower round picks, and I for one don’t want to lose that asset.

Third, why in the WORLD are you building a power running team?! The rules and the league are becoming about the pass, that’s why I would focus the improvements to be on the Offensive Line and making it as efficient as possible. Make the O line less about size and more about athleticism and the lineman having three qualities: quick feet, a decent punch, and the intangible of football smarts(think the LSU Center who snapped the ball because he saw it was about to be a delay of game penalty in their game against Tennessee.

Maybe even move to a zone blocking scheme. I think Kyle Shanahan would make Felix Jones look like Arian Foster in no time.

by Rat-Pack on Nov 1, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Fair questions

Harbaugh, flanked by people like Butler, Lee and/or Shurmur would have no ties to the 15-year era of my discontent but enough football experience to lean on in times of need. His brother has proven the family has the right demeanor for the profession in the NFL. Jim was a cerebral player without a lot of athleticism, which tells me he fought through that barrier and was a self-made player, if you will. I like his energy and passion. I like how he prepares Stanford for each game. I like him.

Sorry, Cisky is not my guy. I have to have new blood all through the scouting and player personnel department. Holdovers are not part of the plan. 2009 alone should get him fired. Between the 2007 and 2009 drafts, how many of those players will still be here at the start of next season? Nope, he’s toast.

BTW, the scouts are organized geographically, so wouldn’t their inability to hit on O-linemen be considered systemic?

The O-line I want to pattern Dallas after is the one the Giants have. They’re tough, smart and nasty. They aren’t the biggest, but they play with a mean streak and they understand angles, leverage and timing. Regardless of who the QB is, I think play action passing is the key to big plays in the aerial game and that won’t come unless opposing LB’s get sucked up when the handoff is faked. Run with power and dictate the pace of the game, as we did, to a degree, in 2007 when the O-line played well.

I personally prefer a one-back offense with 3 wide’s because it tips the opposing defense’s hand and in many ways, I agree that you have to throw the ball to be successful in the NFL. However, no one is going to convince me that good running game isn’t a QB’s best friend, regardless of how good the pass catchers are.

Aside from your complaints, who would you hire as coach?

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by 5Blings on Nov 1, 2010 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

First

let me start by saying “my bad” for forgetting to compliment you on funneling most of the traffic here through a reasonable, coherent, post instead of the “FIRE THE OWNER!” type. Awesome Job and rec’d.

For my coaching candidates, here are my top five: Brian Schottenheimer(football family, sticks with the run, puts a rookie who consistently makes bad decisions in a position to succeed, sticks with the run, can recognize good offensive lineman); Perry Fewell (Made the Bills respectable as DC/Interim Head Coach, high energy players coach, turned around the Giants, runs an aggressive 4-3); Jim Harbaugh (After looking him up and researching him I am almost sold…but I have a feeling if we go with him we are definitely trading Romo and drafting Luck and then at the bottom I have Frazier(Asst Head Coach, aggressive 4-3) and Gruden(The one retread I would eventually warm up to)

And aren’t the giants having pass protection issues? The pass rushers of today seem to be more speed rushers than bull and I think if the Cowboys were actually ahead of the curve on becoming a finesse team (like Indy) we will be able to pass protect better and then when the team chose to run (from the 3 WR set of course) They would be running with only seven in the box, making the team more effective then a line of “big uglies”

But we can agree to disagree on that one. Oh and I totally am flip flopping on Tom C: the 2009 draft is just God awful. But now I really am wondering if Wade had more control of the team than fans realized: all of last years FAs and LB choices seem to be “Wade’s guys”

by Rat-Pack on Nov 2, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Appreciate the kind words, R-P

Yeah, I’ve been harsh when it comes to Cisky, but his drafts haven’t been much better than Lacewell’s (OMG I CANNOT BELIEVE I JUST TYPED THAT!!!)

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

For one

I think there’s too much focus on athleticism. This FO gets infatuated with athletic guys that are actually dumb as shit. Prime examples are Martellus Bennet and Jason Williams.

Draft some smart guys for a change.

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by SportsDrunk on Nov 1, 2010 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Sean Lee

…who seems to get hurt on every play?

I really liked John Phillips.

One area where smarts is key is along the O-line.

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I want a new OWNER...nuclear approach

For years we have complained about the QB, Coach, blah blah blah.. It is Jerry Jones. He runs the team like a spoiled brat. I want a different owner.

So ponder this…. Stop going to the games. You can hear the pain via the radio. Stop buying jerseys…bobbleheads…car decals…..

Pretty soon funds dry up. Jerry leaves town back to Arkansas and Roger buys the team with a group of former players.

As a cowboy fan for life suffering through a few years of 1-15 to see Jerry go couldn’t be much worse than watching those 5-11 seasons.

by jimmy3rc on Nov 2, 2010 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

No can do, Jimmy

I watch, I attend games, I buy gear.

My fandom transcends Jerrah.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

+50

the fans that wore bags on their heads or had ranger signs needed a kick in their head. A good ticket is 125, and good parking is 75. That is too much damn money to wear a frickin bag on your head. If you’re in to that stuff go to New Orleans.

I swear, I love this state but we have the worst fans in the world…they bandwagon and they don’t even know to be quiet on third down when our team has the ball!

by Rat-Pack on Nov 2, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably true of any city

My biggest complaint: Rangers fans are much louder than Cowboys fans.

How is that possible?

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's football fans in Texas

Longhorn games aren’t that loud either.

Fans in this state are reactive instead of proactive, myself excluded because I always load up enough alcohol to power up a small vehicle.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 2, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

+11

That’s usually my number of beers…pregame.

by Rat-Pack on Nov 3, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are the Longhorn baseball games loud?

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh

College baseball never gets really loud from any games I’ve been too. That’s more a product of the sport than Texas.

However, strangely Maverick games are pretty loud. It’s probably the sport there though. You have constant action and so anytime there is a basket it gets loud.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 3, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

L.A. fans are the same way

…but go see a football game at Florida.

Gator fans are rabid.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who watched the Indy game monday night?

Every time I see Manning with the ball at home and the stadium goes dead quiet so he can call his audibles, I almost cry.

When I go to a Cowboys home game, every time we are on offense I have to tell everyone near me to BE QUIET so the O-line can hear Romo. And I hope that the silence will spread through the stands like a wave, but it never does.

I am sorry to say this and hope I don’t insult you, but we have the dumbest home game fans.

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by fan since '65 on Nov 5, 2010 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is something to be said about the football IQ of the fans...

you cheer when your team is on defense, for goodness’ sake!

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

thats not true of any city

Cowboys fans I’ve personally witnessed at the games, not all but vast majority, are absolutely horrible fans. They just sit there like a bump of a log and rarely cheer or holler at all during the game.

Worse fans in the NFL from what I’ve seen. Like I said, not all but vast majority.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 3, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is really strange. Cowboys fans in hostile territroy are vocal, in Dallas, they just sit there

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by Seanrude on Nov 3, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

5Blings I Feel Your Frustration

I too would like to get rid of everybody associated with this stinker of a team but we all know it can’t be done.

IMHO we must get a coach that will be in charge of all aspects of the team.If we don’t then we have JJ for our coach and we know how that works out.If Jerry is so vain to think he can just hire another Shitzer to take over this team then Jerry World will be half emptry by 2012.

Looking at the successful teams you don’t find many that don’t have a very capable QB.We wandered around with Quincy and Bledsole et al.If we continue this downward spiral that we are in then get a franchise QB.You can get CBs and safeties in free agency but not a franchise QB.

I saw Indy play last night and they don’t have many high round players on thier O line but they are successful.maybe we could get thier O line coach.Ours,with the exception of Free,has fired mostly blanks.

by TCB Orange Dino on Nov 2, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I hate comapring us to Indy

They have the game’s best QB and his level of play makes even average players look great.

On the other hand, you were right about this;

IMHO we must get a coach that will be in charge of all aspects of the team.

Dat’s wut I am sayin’!!!

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thinking of changes that COULD be made

Jerry isn’t leaving, but with the massive disappointment I do wonder if he will finally make some changes that are needed. The biggest one is to relinquish the GM role to his son Stephen, this has been mentioned by Norm, and have Jerry stay the President of the organization where he can watch by and stick to making the Cowboys media favorites and to always have the stadium being used. Stephen I think has a much better eye for the way things should be ran and would be willing to hire a coach that isn’t a yes man like Wade and thrive while Jerry has always seemed to quarrel with coaches that would go against what he says. In scouting and drafting of players you always have to question how much is on the scouting team and how much is on Jerry for fail drafts. So far every other year has been a complete bust it seems. I think we should keep the scouting team in tact to see how this draft turns out and to see how they do without the Jerry presence making decisions. Coaching I want a guy with some fire, a guy that knows what he is doing and has coached a team to success. Basically the opposite of Wade, the top choice would be Gruden, yes he did take over a Dungy team but also he was the one to coach them to a SB victory, and he did it with Brad Johnson who even in his best days is a fraction of the QB that Romo is. For Defensive Coordinator Pepper Johnson of NE. I want a guy that has been around successful teams and he has been with the Patriots through their 5 SB appearances and their line is always one of the top 2-3 lines. For Offensive coordinator, this may sound weird to some but I think Romo and Felix would flourish with this system, Mike Martz. I think Chicago will drop Lovie Smith after this year and with that the Coordinators will get the boot as well and Martz may be just what this team needs, an experienced mind that also has SB experience. The only other coaches I would keep would be Ray Sherman and Dave Campo, I still have faith in Campo being a good coach.

Players:
This is easily the hardest part because it will take the most changes to fix. I still think our core players are very good and should stay, but there are a lot of glaring weaknesses and tweaks that should’ve been made a long time ago.
Players to keep:
Romo
McGee
Felix
Choice
Austin
Dez
Ogletree
Hurd
Free
Gurode
Bigg
Costa
Young
Spears
Ratliff
Brent
Bowen
Ware
Spencer
James
Lee
Butler
B. Williams
Newman
Jenkins
Scandrick
AoA
Church
McCray
McBriar
LP
I think Gurode should be moved to Guard, I think his problems are he doesn’t read defenses well enough but is physically very gifted still so guard should treat him nicely. I think Ratliff should move to DE, where his quickness and strength will help hold the line and he will be sittin in Olshansky’s old spot right next to Ware which is quite terrifying, and have Brent inserted into the NT role to challenge to start.
The rest cut, or let them go in FA. I don’t have a list of potential FAs at the end of the year and with the CBA issues it wouldn’t be correct even if I had one.

In the draft, right now we are sitting at pick number 2/3 tied with Carolina.
1st round – Patrick Peterson, S/CB, LSU – lockdown corner with size, range and instincts to move to FS where he could become Reed-esque.
2nd Round – Mike Pouncey, C/G, Florida – Big nasty Center that can make the calls
3rd Round – Kenrick Ellis, NT, Hampton – Massive 6’5" 340 pound NT that can sit there and be effecitive
4th round – Joseph Barksdale OT, LSU – A bit nasty OT to take Columbo’s spot.

by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 2, 2010 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Keep Davis?

Is this a freaking joke?

Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.

by SportsDrunk on Nov 2, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope

we can’t just drop everyone and fill all the gaps, we don’t know of the CBA or who will be available and we don’t have an infinite amount of picks to throw at players. Gotta keep some players around.

by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 2, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

And we are

Holland is cheaper and actually an upgrade over Davis.

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by SportsDrunk on Nov 2, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

In some ways yes

Davis needs to lose 25 pounds and really rededicate himself to offseason conditioning.

I think he still has 2 good years in him if he wants to.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure

Listening to his interview, it doesn’t seem like he cares. Sure he talks about pride, but not in a prideful way…if that makes sense.

"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
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by Kegbearer on Nov 3, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It makes sense.. tone is more reflective of feeling than the words being spoken.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 3, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actions speak loudest

I think it is really up to him.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

True enough.

But let’s be honest, the guy has played pretty terrible this year. For all the talk about the lack of accountability on this team, JG actually benched Bigg for Holland against Tennessee. That tells me most of what I need to know.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 3, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't a lot of that accountability have happened BEFORE the 1-5 start?

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well in the Tennessee game we were 1-2 when Bigg was benched.

Meanwhile Alan Ball continued to play FS horribly and let Kenny Britt go off. Would it have been so bad to see what Awkasi could do? The worse he could do was let a guy get deep which was exactly what Ball was already doing.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 5, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

See. there you go again...Madden 2010 football

You can’t just put a guy in who hasn’t had at least a reasonable amount of practice time at the position. Ball’s probably been getting 90-95% of the reps and they made an offseason commitment to make him THE guy at FS.

AOA isn’t ready. Even Church or McCray would likely have been lost out there. This team doesn’t yet have a viable FS. That’s the facts, Jack.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

"This team doesn't yet have a viable FS"

That says it all. Ball isn’t one and neither is Akwasi. By that logic though, there is no reason you can’t give AOA some snaps to try to work him in and see what he can do. Also, Church and McCray have played snaps on the defense this year so I guess we can add “plays Madden 2010” to one of Wade Phillips’ flaws.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 6, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

The snaps they played were probably vanilla coverages in very limited situations

It’s not like we have Darren Woodson in decline and are slowly bringing along his understudy. Ball got reps last year and is the guy the staff invested all of their effort in.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but I am just saying that Akwasi should be treated the same as those two.

Bring him in in some different situations and see how he reacts. We don’t have much to lose at this point and it will greatly help him get more used to the speed of an NFL game. I am not advocating for him to be the starter and play full-time, but would it be that detrimental to let him see the field a bit?

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by Creasy729 on Nov 7, 2010 3:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's shown he can't wiggle through KO traffic

…so sure, why not?

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 7, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Business Model to concider

In big business, a very effective COO or CFO is sometimes promoted to CEO because of a continuous high level of performance at the prior level even though the don’t have the “CEO skillset.” This is what we have in Wade.

We also have a young up-and-comer in Garrett that has all of the skills and knowledge, but lacks the experience to incorporate that knowledge (ie. he can tell you the best play for a particular down and distance, but comes up seriously short in the game management department). I think this is because he has never worked under a head coach that emphasis’ the game a a whole and is willing to override the coordinators when they are going off course.

Thus, we have a business that has a CEO out of his element and the other top officer is valuable but too inexperienced to understand why his great plans are not working. Many businesses have fallen into this same trap, especially when the company was on the rise before the promotions like the Cowboys. There is a lot of talent on this team, but not proportional and mismanaged. There are three high quality receivers when we need two and two quality running backs when we need one, while there are two quality offensive linemen when we need five…the Dallas Cowboys, as an organization needs to learn how to count. Also, I don’t think that the offensive and defensive schemes, despite being good schemes individually, are putting the players into position to be successful over the coarse of a game or season. There are three ways for a board (in this case Jerry Jones) to deal with the problem.

1) Fire everyone immediately and higher a new CEO to clean up the pieces. Tough to do when you have games to play, so this would have to happen after the season is over.

2) Fire the CEO and someone else take the reigns until a new CEO can be identified. This happens most often, but companies tend to lose top talent in these transitions because the interim CEO will have to make changes and build trust which makes things difficult for the incoming permanent CEO, so they get fired after a pretty short period.

3) Hire a consultant with the authority of the board to make the critical organizational changes and make recommendations for permanent solutions. This is really a way for bring experienced CEO’s in for a trial run without anyone losing face while assuring the company moves forward. In the case of the Cowboys, this person would help refocus the football operations (practice design, draft philosophy, etc.). If the person naturally transitions to be the head of the organization you higher them, if they are productive but the fit is not right then you let them head the steering committee to high the next CEO.

Because of the nature of the season schedule, I would recommend using option #3 immediately…with Bil Cowher.

Why Cowher, because he excelled in the very areas that the Cowboys failed. During his tenure with Pittsburgh he ran a disciplined program, focused the talent acquisition from the trenches out and mentored a number of coordinators that became head coaches. I really don’t know if Bill Cowher is the guy to be the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys in the future. However, because of the talent already assembled, teaching the players and organization what it takes to win more than games is more important right now than higher draft picks. That cannot be done in the offseason.

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by LRogue on Nov 2, 2010 3:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t know, it seems to me that Garrett probably learned more about being a coach from Jimmy Johnson (and Norv Turner) than Wade Phillips. If you think long and hard you could probably figure out a few examples, plus this guy was obviously paying very close attention on the sidelines as a backup QB to be in the position he’s in now.

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I am sure that Garrett learned a great deal from Jimmy and Norv

There is a greater level of complexity in game management from the OC seat. Garrett is a first time OC and is learning the job under the tutelage of Wade. For any job, there is a level of understanding that can only be reached by experience in the position. The man is very smart and knows how to scheme a play, but I don’t think Garrett was ready to be an OC with lack of oversight he has had at Dallas. A step back with an experienced HC could do wonders for him. Jerry has not allowed JG to grow into his position properly.

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by LRogue on Nov 3, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can’t argue with you on that one, I also believe he could have used a better head coach to learn from in his first stint as an Offensive Coordinator. Regardless of his inexperience he is highly successful, and unfortunately we don’t know what kind of oversight or lack of oversight Jason Garrett has in Dallas because they don’t follow the usual hierarchy of an organization.

When I say that he’s learned more about coaching from J.J. and Norv I simply mean that his style of coaching seems to correspond more to them than it does to Wade. Compare and contrast the benchings on the offensive side of the ball and the defensive. Gurode was benched but only put back in when Holland had his eyes gouged by one of the Titans players. Alan Ball has been giving up big plays all season long and didn’t hit the pine until midway through the 4th quarter in the Jaguars game; even though it was painfully apparent that he had been the reason why our defense was giving up long bombs to most casual observers, much less the coaches who have to break down his film every Monday.

Maybe you should elaborate what you mean when you say lack of oversight so I can have a better understanding, if you’re referring to maybe the decision to go for it at half time in the first game of the season; just look at what the Chargers did at their halftime.

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question for you

Can you say more about why you think Garrett is “highly successful”?

It seems like he’s taken a a real bashing by the two major TV outlets (ESPN and NFLN) and their pundits for having such impbalance in his play calling. In addition, the penalties on offense continue, despite the ditching of Flozell and largely the same cast of characters on that side of the ball.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Imbalance*

…although impbalance is interesting too.

:-)

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, currently we’re 8th in the league in yards gained and 7th in the league in red zone percentage. That’s despite not having a running game due to our poor offensive line play, and even having to design our passing plays around that lack of protection.

You can say he’s been imbalanced but last year we were 7th in the league in rushing yards and 6th in passing yards. That seems pretty balanced to me, not too many teams had both in the top 10.

If he’s throwing more passes it’s because that’s our best bet to win a game. We have an abysmal 2.6 yards per carry average, I don’t see how anybody can plead to run the ball more with that type of production; and moreover having the 8th best Offense despite one of the worst lines in the NFL is a testament to Garrett.

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

The penalties and drops are pretty bad but seem to be more of a systematic problem than anything that can be directly correlated to Garrett.

Now can you tell me why you think he’s such a garish coordinator? Or how we could attribute the penalties and drops to Garrett’s lack of prowess as the OC?

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I am going to enjoy you commenting more.

I could always use some company in the pro-Garrett camp.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 3, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh boy...you, FiTaT and G_SWAG

We’ll call you guys “The REDeemers”

It’s like a virus!!!

:-)

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just telling it like it is, I think we should be realistic that Garrett has flaws but overall is one of the most promising up and comers in this league and has easily established himself as one of the top 10 offensive minds in this league.

I just don’t want to see Garrett leave town and win with another team. It was a pretty crushing blow when Payton won the Superbowl last year.

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

A lot of people complained about Payton when he was in the OC role and look what’s happened since then. I still think though that JG sadly may be too tainted by this hierarchy to take over like I think he rightfully should.

Also, just while I am thinking about it, can we please stop talking about how JG’s offenses haven’t been the best in the league when we have “all this talent.” Its like everyone simultaneously thinks our offense should be amazing but our offensive line is terrible. Those are completely contradictory viewpoints when it comes to viewing JG as a coach. JG has done a great job of covering up the warts on the O-line and for that he doesn’t get enough credit.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 3, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahem

4 pro bowlers on offense last year.

That’s as many as anyone else in the NFC.

San Diego had 3 pro bowlers on offense and scored 454 points to our 361.

2008 was a similar story. Dallas’ offense is impotent when it comes to scoring.

I can’t fault Winnie for the performance and dicipline issues on defense and not hold JG accountable for similar issues on offense. To do so would be hypocritical.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dallas' offense just wasn't very good at the end of 2008..

Romo’s accuracy was off for large stretches of games.

I find it hard to believe that Garret just signed off on the offensive line going into the year – that has been especially evident given his gameplans. Clearly less aggressive than 2007 and early 2008. Hes been heavily limited by them and I think hes done a decent job with gameplans.

2009 was a fairly impressive year when it came to playcalling. The only thing we had going was a draw play yet we did a good enough job staying balanced outside of 2 games or so.

by foyesboys on Nov 3, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone really know how a coordinator influences personnel decisions in the Cowboys' setup?

I certainly don’t…

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

One of those four was Leonard Davis. He is admittedly a bad option at RG right now. As for the other three, they are all skill position players. And as good as that is, with our offensive line as bad as it as at times, this offense cannot claim to be supremely talented. It simply doesn’t make any sense.

Secondly, the case for why Garrett’s offense hasn’t scored as well has been made many times. The red zone was admittedly a problem last year but it hasn’t been this year (7th in the league I believe). Outside of that, the terrible field position and lack of turnovers has killed our ability to score at the same rate as similarly productive offenses (such as the Saints example in 2009).

Lastly, the reason I hold Wade so much more accountable than JG is that when I watch the games, I see so many more holes in Wade’s game plans as opposed to JG’s. JG’s consistently gain yards while Wade’s have consistently gotten worse since 2008 (59 sacks and 8th in YPG). Wade blitzes at the beginning of the game then calls off the dogs when he actually needs to blitz. He has used very few methods to confuse QBs and his blitzes are all pretty similar with few exceptions. Wade has also made some very questionable personnel decisions lately from our nickel LB position to our starting FS position. I don’t really see JG making similar personnel decisions (remember, he actually benched a starter this year).

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by Creasy729 on Nov 3, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trying to pick who sucks less (or more) is vapid

I think it’s impossible to argue in favor of a guy who passes 9 out of 10 plays (8 from the shotgun) the minute he senses rough waters ahead.

It’s inexperience and a lack of intestinal fortitude. Maybe he caught it like a cold from Wade. I dunno.

In the 5Blings era, both are gonzo.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can that subject be vapid if your whole premise for this post

is deciding who is on the trading block based off of how you see their play? Isn’t that exactly what I was doing about Davis?

And no, with Garrett’s overall numbers, its not impossible to argue for a guy even in the face of one ten play stretch that particularly upset you. To focus so heavily on a few three and outs as a counter argument to my points is myopic.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 4, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because I said, in the post, nobody who sucks stays...

Winnie and Red Bonehead are toast.

Make sense?

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but the fact that you say Wade and JG suck are still opinions. And for me personally, opinions are the reason I come to this site so I don’t really see them as vapid.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 5, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was the gradations of suckiness that I consider vapid

I’m happy to argue against anyone who thinks either of them doesn’t suck but not over whether one sucks at a 8 on 1-10 scale and the other is 8.5.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with that logic though

is if you throw up a scale like that though where does the line sit that determines what or whom sucks? And then, once that line is established, can’t you argue around it using “gradations of suckiness?” That is about as arbitrary as anecdotally comparing any two players

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by Creasy729 on Nov 6, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not at all

Dez doesn’t suck. Ball does.

Winnie and RHG both suck.

It’s a pass/fail course. No bell curves here.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

and is the correct term suckiness or suckage?

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by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

The key though is that even in a pass/fail course

you still have a grader. And therefore, its just as arbitrary as any other grading system.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 7, 2010 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you say anything there?

Because I think you did not, but I may be wrong…

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 7, 2010 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

You insinuated that a pass/fail course

differed from a course where grades were given out on a scale that is more comparative (similar to the A-F scale) in its arbitrariness. I was simply pointing out though that both have the core similarity of having a person handing out the grades. As such, one is not more arbitrary than the other since both rely on opinion.

Put simply, making black, gray and white declarations are all equally arbitrary since they are all equal opinions.

You insinuated otherwise when you called my gray opinions “vapid” yet didn’t consider your black and white opinions to be the same type of “vapid.”

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by Creasy729 on Nov 7, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

That is incorrect

On a standardized test, if passing is 70% correct and someone comes in at 50% correct, the grade is FAIL.

You don’t need a carbon-based element to do that. Scantron’s would never have been born if your statement above was correct.

Rethink that, will ya?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 8, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

But when it comes to giving a grade of 69 in a pass fail course, that is just as arbitrary as giving a 89 in an A-F scale class. Its not the scale that makes the grade arbitrary. Its the grade itself.

In fact, you demonstrated that even in your scenario when you say someone comes in with a 50%. In that scenario, someone has to look at the student’s work and apply a number grade to it. That action alone makes the grade arbitrary no matter what the scale (especially since this analogy doesn’t really have standardized tests in mind since grading players is nothing like a standardized test).

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by Creasy729 on Nov 8, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

You think every grade requires a carbon-based factor

I don’t see you making a reasonable argument to that effect.

Try again, please?

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 13, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

So, which is the more questionable personnel decision...

in the Giant’s game?

1) Wade’s goal line personnel package that inadvertently resulted in Sensabaugh having to cover NIcks;

or (2) Garrett’s decision to have an UDFA rookie, with an inconsistent practice history make a critical read and block.

You make the call.

by LDVFootball on Nov 3, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering Wade's decision was one of choice

and Garrett’s was made by injury, I don’t really think there is any question which is worse.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 4, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man that is a great question

I say…it’s a tie!

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pro Bowl doesn't mean anything!

It is a popularity contest voted on by the fans.

- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"

by fan since '65 on Nov 5, 2010 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Drops and penalties

do go back to the coach, he runs the practices. 2009 was an anomaly when it comes to JG’s balanced attacks. (FYI, we averaged 3.9 a carry before the Jag debacle). But in general, I don’t think JG is skilled at creating a consistent game plan. There is a difference between consistent and predictable. He is one, but not the other. Examples. The last few years we had very effective draw runs, likely because when throw so much it is one way we do fool defenses. Where have those been this year? In his earlier years, he had put TO in the backfield and then motioned him out or did os with Witten. Where are those? The three headed monster Week 1 intrigued us all. It work ok, but looked like it could have been a TD if HCoice pitched it to Felix. I thought, well, JG is setting someone up for that in the future. 7 weeks later, I am still waiting. You’d think starting your backup QB would have made him think about that play again.
Consistency also plays a role in having the players execute some plays to perfection. Like the 90’s Cowboys. You knew the lead draw was 2/3rds of their running plays, but still it always worked. Novacek used to joke that he would tell DB’s Irvin’s route, and he would still beat them – usually that hook or out route he and Aikmen had down. We have no such identity.
Lastly, I think Garrett doesn’t do any adjustments during the game, but far too many before the game. Meaning, he assumes defeat (we can’t do any long pass plays because of our o-line, we can’t run to the right, etc.) and so changes the entire gameplan from week to week. Get some consistency for your players and at least try what you think might fail and force the opponent to prove you right. At least challenge your players to rise to the occasion. Eventually, if you don’t do some things all game, you become predictable.
JG tries to take what the def gives him instead of forcing the def into mistakes and just taking what he wants.
I think talent has made JG look like a better OC than he really is. I don’t think he is a lost cause or anything, but I don’t think he is in the Top 10 either. I don’t think he is HC material (yet) either.
Anyway, that is my rant on why I don’t think Garrett is THAT good, though sure, things could be worse.

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by Kegbearer on Nov 3, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well you go back to ’07 and he had a 55/45 pass run ratio.

Last year in ‘09 we had that same ratio, but when suddenly we’re a top 10 rushing team and that year is an aberration?

As far as being creative, it’s odd because usually the criticisms of Garrett are that he’s “too cute”. I do agree that it would appear that he’s been too predictable lately, but I think that may have to do with the playbook being culled for the sake of running a more efficient offense.

I don’t know what to make of JG taking what the defense gives them instead of taking it, I personally would love to just throw a deep bomb to Austin or Dez every other play but unfortunately that’s not realistic. Romo got killed on a 5 step drop with max protection, you really think it’s a good idea to try to make that a 7 step? As far as power running versus pulling, I think we all saw that maybe neither are possible. That 3rd and 1 to the strong side with Barber got blown up, the run weak may have worked but the line folded under that pressure as well.

And when you say talent, our best year in ’07 we had Julius Jones running the ball and Patrick Crayton as our #2 receiver. Just think about that for a second.

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Outside of 2007, though...

Points scored, which last time I checked is the single most important stat outside of wins and losses, has not correlated well to the gaudy yardage numbers we’ve seen.

You could make an argument that the O-line is in decline, but we’re definitely not the worst O-line in the game and coaches and players on every other team all have to work to overcome some kind of deficiency on their team if they want to be successful.

I’m a detractor of anyone who is predictable because I truly believe that any defense, regardless of how good or bad they are, can stop any ONE thing simply through scheme. Jason is entirely too predictable, and as a result, he’s made poor use of the talent on his side of the ball. Hence the lack of points scored.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Predictable yes, but that’s not why we’ve been losing. Just look at the Vikings game, all of those dump offs were getting silly but when you out gain your opponent and dominate the time of possession you’d expect to win. If you think Garrett was overly cautious in that game just look at what happened against the Giants, it was only a matter of time before Tony got hurt.

If you think there’s a serious trade off between our yards gained and our points scored you’re correct. Just look at 2009, last year the Saints and the Cowboys were tied for the best in the league in average yards per play, both at 6.3 yards. The Saints only got 70 more yards of offense than the Cowboys, meaning we were second in the league. Unfortunately the Cowboys were also 31st in the league in kickoff return yards, and I’ve already made a clear stance on how Wade’s poorly premised bend but don’t break offense contributes to the long fields. I’d love to get my hands on the average starting field position for our offense, I bet it was easily among the worst of the league.

When you have to drive the ball about 60 yards every possession to get into the 20 yard red zone (or about 80 yards every time you cross the end zone to score a TD) the numbers are going to be misleading as far as points scored. Look at the Saints, their defense led the league in turnovers but were very similar statistically to our Offense.

Do you really think our talent is underachieving because of the scheme? How many drops turned interceptions do we have? If the players execute I guarantee we have a top 10 offense even with Romo going down as long as Kitna keeps his head. Currently we’re 8th in yards gained but 17th in points scored, although the missed kicks and dropped passes (either dropped TDs or passes deflected & turned into INTs) are going have a great effect on that number.

As far as penalties and discipline I think for now Jason toes the company line as far as what Wade Phillips wants to do as the head coach.

Andre Gurode gets benched before the half in the fourth game of the season and then what?

Wade announces to the press that Andre’s a pro bowler and will be starting next week. We all know that Wade is clueless as far as what the Offense is doing so if you read between the lines you can infer what really happened and who finally had to lay down the law.

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are money.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 3, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right about kickoff yards. That irks me to no end.

However, here is where we disagree;

but when you out gain your opponent and dominate the time of possession you’d expect to win.

You can outgain your opponent all day long but if they gain half as many yards and punch it into the end zone and you settle for short field goals, you will likely lose.

Dallas has to outgain its opponents just to make up for pre-snap penalty yards!

The fact is, Dallas has to take on a different, more physical mindset and then use the unpredictability that comes with being both a good running and passing team to keep opponents off balance.

Jason has never been able to accomplish that and he has to be accountable for that failure.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can outgain your opponent all day long but if they gain half as many yards and punch it into the end zone and you settle for short field goals, you will likely lose.

And that’s where having a bad defense and a bad kick off return game makes the perception of the Cowboys offense as one being worse than it is.

As far as the physicality, you can’t ever question the physicality on offense. Miles, Dez, Roy, even Patrick Crayton when he was here; they all block their hearts out. Watch Dez and Miles trying to break tackles and tell me our offense isn’t physical. Physically though our line and Barber have been in decline so while they try to be hard nosed it’s just not as easy as it was before. Tony Romo tried to get back out on the field after he broke his shoulder and I thought Jason Witten was about to blow up a trainer when they didn’t let him go back in after a concussion. I’d even wager to say that the Cowboys are more physical on the offensive side of the ball than the defensive.

As far as being unpredictable, I think if he were really as predictable as you say our offense wouldn’t move the ball nearly as well as we do. Receivers wouldn’t get open because the defense would always sit on our routes.

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Physicality

Hard to develop any physicality on the O-line when you only run the ball 30% of the time.

Running is about commitment. I submit to you the Colts-Giants game. No way the Colts would ever be considered a great running team, but the Colts committed to it, knowing they could not play into Fewell’s strengths. Look at their O-line. It’s not all that special. Their RB’s are average at best. They go out and run the ball forty-three (YES 43!!!) freakin’ times and although they average less than 4 YPC, they do not give up on it. That’s just plain smart. Something RHG has not demonstrated in similar situations.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, Garrett almost pulled it off in the Vikings game...

and he would have if Romo had not thrown that interception to Henderson. Of course, Henderson would never have been in the position to catch that interception if Garrett had been astute enough to design the play he called with a play action fake. The devil, as they say, is in the details. We are losing games because so many of the simplest details are often overlooked.

by LDVFootball on Nov 3, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Football is a game of details

…which is why guys like Shanahan and Bellicheat will always have suitors for their services.

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

BTW, a credible running game would give Romo the option to go deep on Play Action

…and I would throw deep much more often too.

I agree with you in that the upside in our passing game revolves around going over the top more.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

A credible O-line would go along ways towards a credible running game though :(

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't blame it all on them

It’s always someone else’s fault.

Wade would say, “if Jerry let me hire my own OC, we would have done better and scored more points.”

No crutches allowed in my organization.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Touche, but in your organization you’ll draft really well and the discussion about how terrible our offensive line is will be moot!

Hahaha :)

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe not REALLY well, but I probably couldn't do that much worse, could I?

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went into it more deeply below...

but penalties and mental mistakes will always be the cross that coaches have to bear.

Remember what Viggo Mortensen said in GI Jane, “There are no bad units, only bad leaders.”

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I guess I should have said...above

:-)

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

WOW, just WOW

I agree with some of the moves. but to throw the baby out with the bath water, over knee-jerk reaction is a little too much.

the defense was a top 5 last year, now you want to throw half of them out.

the offense was a top 5 and you want to throw most of htem out.

instead of focusing on specific areas, lets just destroy everything and rebuild.

if that’s not over reaction, knee jerk reaction, then I don’t know what I could call it.

there are a few things that need to be done, like change the coaching staff top to bottom.

then address, OL, MLB and saftey spots. get players to buy in and you have a team that can compete again…

but please..don’t over react

by CowboysFanatic on Nov 2, 2010 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Hang on, CF

Just because they are on the block doesn’t mean there is a fire sale on players.

I just believe in buying low and selling high. How high is determined by what teams need and are willing to offer and Dallas has a need to do more than churn out the special teamers if it wants to return to glory.

The defense was good last year, I cannot argue that. the offense? Not so much. You have to score points to be a good offense and Dallas was not good in that regard.

So yes, I would like to see turnover. Yes, I would rebuild the engine. Yes, the car would run faster.

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

the offense would be the best in the league

with a good OL, that is the area thats holding that unit back. New OL= lots of points

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 3, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I mentioned the Chargers above

They have FAR less talent on both the O-line and at the skillpositions and yet, they can put up points.

Your argument is basically, “if we had a Romo, Austin, Dez, Witten, Felix, MBIII ANNNNNND Mankins, Carl Nicks, Ryan Clady, Nick Mangold and Chris Snee, we’d score more”

Ay carumba!

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

If the coaches need All-Pro players at every position to win, they aren’t doing their job. Other teams have done more with less on offense.

by kindablue on Nov 3, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

...and again

WHY is AOA returning kicks when he can’t make anyone miss?

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once again, scoring is not simply a function of offense.

I don’t really see how you can keep ignoring that. Regardless, I think San Diego’s talent on the O-line is definitely better than ours. Our best O-line players are a first-year starting tackle and an unspectacular guard. The center is inconsistent and the right side of our line is downright horrid at times. Furthermore, until we acquired Dez and Roy got his game together, our skill position talent was extremely comparable to theirs (Rivers-Romo, Sproles-Felix, Jackson-Austin, Gates-Witten).

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by Creasy729 on Nov 4, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Their starting LT has been a holdout

Look at their depth chart, C729. Diehlman is okay. Hardwick is usually hurt. The rest are crap.

No way their line is good. Look at how well LT has done with a line that can block. Rivers would trade his line for ours. Trust me.

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

So is Norv Turner a great coordinator then to be able to get the production out of them that he has?

And yeah, I still disagree about their line. Diehlman and Hardwick are better and more proven than anyone on our line. The only one whose play over the last few years has come close to theirs is Gurode at times. McNeil is a great LT and as good as Free as played, he isn’t on McNeil’s level at this point. Louis Vasquez at RG has started for them since being a rookie. Jeromey Clary has been playing since he was a rookie. They have a young offensive line who is going to have some problems on the right side at times but that is about the same as us who just has a really old offensive line who are going to have some problems on the right side at times. I don’t see their offensive line as any worse than ours. It’s also worth noting that they average a whole half yard higher than we do on running plays. And yeah, LT has seen a lot of success in NYJ. Maybe its because they have the best offensive line in the league. Just because he didn’t run as well in San Diego does not necessarily mean that the SD line was terrible.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 5, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

McNeill hasn't played a down this season

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by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

So then you agree that San Diego's offensive line was better last year and will be better in the future?

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by Creasy729 on Nov 6, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This conversation isn't just limited to the last seven games.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 6, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Matthews hasn't done well and neither has Sproles...

And I already said someone might end up with a staff with Norv as OC and Wade as DC and have a great year in 2011.

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by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

How could Norv Turner be a great coordinator though when he is throwing the ball at over 60% of the time

and regularly abandons the run early on in the game? Many of the same criticisms that you at level at Garrett can be leveled at Norv.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 6, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Norv Knows How to Make

In game adjustments. The run/pass ratio thing is a red herring, it’s how well the play calling can keep the defense off balance by the mix of plays. Jason’s play calling is too often predictable, and defenses have learned to hone in on that.

by kindablue on Nov 6, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Atta boy

I think Norv doesn’t abandon the run like you think. Last year, they stayed very balanced when they played in Dallas.

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by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

1st Drive against New England: 4 passes, 1 run
2nd Drive against New England: 7 passes, 3 runs
3rd Drive against New England: 2 passes, 1 run
4th Drive against New England: 2 passes, 2 runs

1st Drive against St. Louis: 2 passes, 3 runs
2nd Drive against St. Louis: 2 passes, 1 run
3rd Drive against St. Louis: 5 passes, 2 runs
4th Drive against St. Louis: 3 passes, 0 runs

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by Creasy729 on Nov 7, 2010 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont see any 9-1 runs there...do you?

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by 5Blings on Nov 7, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

First of all, was that 9-1 stretch in the first 4 drives of a game for Dallas?
Second of all, does one 9-1 stretch (a large sample of exactly one drive) completely invalidate the point I was making about JG’s play-calling being similar to Norv’s?

The answer to both is no.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 7, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

It was multiple drives

…and yes it does invalidate your point, if only because your sample size isn’t much larger. In essence, the point was never based on a statistically significant amount of data to begin with.

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by 5Blings on Nov 8, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

8 compared to 1 is significantly different.

Regardless, it hardly invalidates my point. The only thing it proves is your unreasonableness in this matter. If you wish to take one 9-1 drive and use it to suggest that it alone shows why Garrett is totally different than Norv (who himself went 7-3 in his second drive of the game against NE) than go right ahead. Just don’t expect many people with common sense to follow that line of thinking.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 8, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

That's fine by me as long as we can recognize that the pass/run ratio is a red herring against JG as well.

Regardless, do you have data to back up your opinions? I would be interested to see how offensive yardage tracks from the first half to the second half this year. I bet that we actually gain more yards in the second half than the first half considering some of our sluggish team starts this year.

And as for predictability, I think that is overblown. We have success moving the ball so it isn’t as if the other team sees what we are doing after two series and knows exactly what we are doing from then on. I will agree that JG could mix up his pass and run calls some (as far as down and distance) but the success of this offense has been substantial enough to really suggest that that point is overblown. Furthermore, I would bet that if I started watching other teams the way that I watch the Cowboys that I could start to hone in on their patterns of play-calling.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 7, 2010 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Success moving the ball is one thing

…success scoring is quite another. Isn’t scoring points the primary goal of any offense? And if it is, then why aren’t we focusing in that?

Aside from 2007, when has Dallas been a top scoring team?

I’ve never once subscribed to the idea of yardage as a telling stat.

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by 5Blings on Nov 7, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

This has been covered in length.

I don’t feel like going through each point coherently for like the thousandth time. As such here is a summary of why our yards haven’t translated into the point statistics you (and myself) desire:

- An extreme lack of turnovers
- Extremely poor field position
- Bad FG kicking (like as in really bad FG kicking)
- Poor redzone numbers in 2009 (partially FG kicking, partially not)

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by Creasy729 on Nov 7, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Right...everything BUT the playcalling

Obviously I, and most of the media which includes former head coaches and players, think otherwise.

Yeah…I don’t think you’re going to sway me here, buddy.

:-)

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by 5Blings on Nov 8, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Well that play-calling is getting so many yards

that I find it hard to believe that his play-calling sucks when it comes to getting points but is awesome when it comes to yards. His redzone stats haven’t been so bad to suggest that he simply can’t call scoring plays. As such, that evidence leads me to think that there are other factors that are limiting our point potential. And thankfully for me, there are a lot of stats to back up my position. :-)

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by Creasy729 on Nov 8, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Rivers doesn't face the in your face pressure we do...

his guards and center do a better job. This is of crucial importance for a qb – if you can’t step into your throws, it becomes difficult.

I haven’t been too impressed with their run blocking, but when defenses have to worry about that passing offense, its hard to defend both. Especially Gates. That guy is a load. I don’t think any player in this league does as good a job getting open as he does.

by foyesboys on Nov 6, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about Gates

…but that has little to do with the O-line.

Witten is a far better blocker than AG.

No, the SD line is awful and the SD Union Tribune beat writers would say they are one of the worst in the league.

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by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

Rivers gets killed back there, but he is one tough SOB.

He could take a hit 10 times harder than the one that Romo’s collarbone broke on and get right back up and throw a 40-yard TD on the next throw.

Rivers is one of those 6’5" 230 pound beasts.

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by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am pretty sure that a hit 10x harder than the one that broke Romo's collarbone would kill Rivers.

Regardless, I think you have been missing some of the hits that Romo has gotten up from over these years.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 6, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

…but you have to admit, hitting Rivers on a blitz is different than watching Romo collapse in a heap from a LB or safety’s drag down.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

This reminds me of an AA meeting.

They have steps they take to regain thier sober state.We have steps we have to take too.

1)Get an excellent coach to take control of the whole football operations.

2)Hire staff that will produce discipline and on the field production.

3)Get rid of the nonproductive players.

4)Let the professionals run the draft.

by TCB Orange Dino on Nov 2, 2010 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

5.) Pay for the rehab of all the poor fans that now have drug addictions used to numb themselves through the 2010 season.

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by Kegbearer on Nov 2, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I ponder the absolutely stunning reversal of fortune

That turns 11-5 to 1-6, I realize I am:

1) Almost too close to the details to appreciate the big picture. Insert pithy Forest/trees, sum of parts/>whole reference here

2) Looking at an incomplete picture. Understanding what this will look like at season end, the labor landscape, the college prospects and available talent for acquisition – there’s simply too much speculation to build a cohesive plan around.

That being said, it’s never too early to begin planning to have a plan. Here are a few philosophical adjustments we need to make:
- JJ has to stop trying to recreate the Cowboys of the 90’s. Specifically:
BIg Maulers up front on the OLine, with small agile defenders on defense. It worked for a while, but the lack of athleticism is alarming combined with the decline from age and injuries has make serviceable players below average. We don’t even run the offense for that style anyway, too many pulls and leads with Lineman that must block in space.

Our D is paying the price for being undersized up front, no one pays the price for doubleteaming Rat. Another interesting defensive philosophical twist is strength up the middle vs strength at the edges. DAL seems to have committed to the perimeter where a club such as NE relies on on being strong in the center. That is also cheaper – top flight Safety talent seems much more affordable than at CB.

Lastly, we must draft in the early rounds for the longer term. especially true at OL and Safety, because we’ve tried to do both positions on the cheap with mid-low round talent, we keep having to address the need over and over

We live life forwards and understand it backwards

by tdships on Nov 2, 2010 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

It feels like the Cowboys are stuck in the past, while the Pats and Indy seem to always be ahead of the curve. That is probably the most frustrating thing of all, watching other teams plug a new guy in the system and watching him flourish, while this team falls apart when their 3rd TE goes down.

by Rat-Pack on Nov 3, 2010 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

GM, Coach, QB

You need continuity in that group to be able to establish a ‘system’.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uhmmm......

GM: 21 years. – check
Coach: 4 years – check
QB: 4 years – check

If 4 years isn’t long enough for you, what is the glaring difference in the above list?

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by fan since '65 on Nov 5, 2010 4:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would say we don't have a GM

…and no, 4 years in the coaching world is nothing to jump up and down about. Check the teams that have won consistently in the last decade. NE, Philly, Indy. Very little philosophical change in those organizations.

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh man...
Our D is paying the price for being undersized up front, no one pays the price for doubleteaming Rat.

People are coming around.

You just made my day, tdships!!!

Thank you…

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by 5Blings on Nov 2, 2010 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep.

Its just like the stupid arguments that were had on this board about acquiring Vince Wilfork. I remember people telling me that we shouldn’t acquire Wilfork because they didn’t know if Ratliff would be a good DE. I found, and still find, that extremely ironic considering he was drafted to play DE. Let’s go get Aubrayo Franklin and make Rat our Richard Seymour.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 2, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt Franklin ever even sniffs FA

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would normally agree

except the 49ers run defense has regressed this year compared to last and I think with a possible regime change there he might slip through the cracks into FA.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 4, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

And have you see that guys frame?

He is just plain thick everywhere. His little toe is like 14 inches in diameter.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Happy to oblige

Although I wish it was under better circumstances

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by tdships on Nov 3, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think teams being able to double Jay all game falls on Igor, Brady, Keith and Anthony. You’ve got a center and a guard trying to double Jay, a tackle and a running back trying to contain DeMarcus. Mathematically most teams would take that every time, but it’s not like it matters anyways, the only way the pass rush will work is if we could cover long enough for our guys to get there.

by G_SWAG on Nov 3, 2010 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

For years now, I've lamented the DE's on this team and think Wade and Cisky missed the boat on that position

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure you have commented on this before blings...

but what do you think about Gruden?

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by Iron Fist on Nov 2, 2010 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he may be the best of the retreads

…but I’m not generally a fan of retreads, if only because of the data that says no one has been able to get to the top of the mountain twice. But maybe you just have to throw that whole bias out…

Things I like; he has passion and he’s a real X’s and O’s guy. He will make you practice hard and prepare well. His teams generally didn’t beat themselves. He’ll be good for Romo. He’s shown an ability to manage the details. He should get credit for building that Raider team into a real force (especially given that he did it under an oppressive owner like Davis).

Things I don’t like; he didn’t handle the QB situation in Tampa well. After the Super Bowl, their offense could never get any sort of traction with the revolving door of QB’s coming in and out. He shouldn’t get credit for building the team that won it all. He had Monte Kiffin and that defense made up for a lot of the offense’s problems.

The real question I have is what role he would have in talent review and personnel decisions?

This is still the season of Jerry and what Jerry does (or doesn’t do) when it’s all over may be the real tipping point in terms of the future of this team.

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by 5Blings on Nov 3, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Um... I question some of your moves?

Yeah, I am a manager so some of your claims are unrealistic from a management point of view.

First, just because you yell doesn’t mean that you are going to get results. It’s do the players believe in what you are instilling. So because Tony Dungy spent how many plus years with the Bucs, did Indy say" Hey, your a great defensive mind but I don’t think that you can make it as a Head Coach. I would go for Dom Capers because of his defensive knowledge and his history with the Zone Blitzing.

Now we get to the debate, Jason Garret. I would let him keep his job. You mentioned about being predictable. So the Colts Offense isn’t predictable? What do you think the Colts do? Is there any real figuring out on what they Colts are trying to accomplish? No. We might pass 80 percent well guess what? The Colts pass 95 percent of the time. Do you know why the Colts are so good even though they run a simplistic offense? EXECUTION….. I doesn’t matter what they run. It matters if you can stop it. Peyton Manning is in tune with his offense so well they have run the same play over and over and over and over again. Execution. What is our identity as the Cowboys. We run a balanced and varied offense. Ok that is cool. The reason that Jason Garrett runs the plays that he does is not because of our scheme, it’s because he is trying to hide some fallacies of our players. Oline in particular.

You are right, we do need an Oline. But to think that your going to get all of these mid round draft picks on players that have epically failed on our team is kind of outlandish. Let’s be real, if they know that you are going to get rid of them, chances are they are going to wait it out and wait til you cut them. Why? some of those players are not worth the contract they we signed them to and they will not trade a pick for a player who is not worth their contract. Also, very rarily are you going to get a player that going to be traded higher than what he was originally drafted at. Why would you trade a QB like Romo then draft Luck? Romo will just be 30. He has a few years left before we need to start worrying about a succesor.

Also, why do people feel that our All Pro NT Jay Ratliff needs to switch to DE? He made All Pro as a NT. Why would you change that? Obviosuly moving him around the line isn’t a bad idea. But do you think by moving him over one spot, they are going to double team him any less? Let’s be real. So I guess should we move Ware out of his natuaral position and make him a MLB to perserve his career? I mean he isn’t getting the sacks that he should be getting? Now, maybe it isnt the position that they are playing, it’s just that the scheme is too predictable on defense and teams are game planning around it. I gaurantee you moving Jay ratliff around one position is not going to hide him to generate sacks. They are just going to slide the protection over to his side no matter what. Our Defense is built on generating pressure. That is what makes Jay Ratliff great for our scheme. KEY words our scheme. I think we have the players in place. Oh, why get rid of Igor and Marcus? What is the role of a DE in a 3-4 scheme?

by Holchr31 on Nov 4, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

The role of a DE in a 3-4 defense is the following:

Occupy blockers so the linebackers can make the tackles and the sacks. Defensive Ends in a 3-4 are not used like Defensive Ends in a 4-3. 4-3 Defensive Ends are 3-4 Outside Linebackers.

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by Rohpuri on Nov 4, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Although I think it would help if there was a DE that could get some pressure.

Most of the great 3-4 defenses have had that.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 4, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah but that pressure from a 3-4 end is usually an added bonus

You really want the 3-4 end to maintain gap discipline and occupy the blockers in front of him so the linebackers make the plays. What we need to do is replace Anthony Spencer, and both of our Inside Linebackers. Our 3 down lineman would perform better with the following moves: Ratliff at right end, Lissemore at DT, and Brent at left end. Igor and Spears are killing us.

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by Rohpuri on Nov 4, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

The Fist sees all.

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Appreciate the comments
So because Tony Dungy spent how many plus years with the Bucs, did Indy say" Hey, your a great defensive mind but I don’t think that you can make it as a Head Coach.

No, but Tampa Bay sure did. Next!

So the Colts Offense isn’t predictable? What do you think the Colts do? Is there any real figuring out on what they Colts are trying to accomplish? No. We might pass 80 percent well guess what? The Colts pass 95 percent of the time.

Dead wrong here, my friend. Check out this year’s version of Eli versus Peyton. Look at the play mix. Look at the down and distance as those calls are made. Next.

Your next paragraph has a ton of different thoughts. Here’s my reply;
 
I don’t think Dallas is a contender for a championship next year. The cultural bias towards finesse and laziness and laissez faire attitude is too pervasive to believe it can be undone in one off season. Maybe the following year. Most likely the year after. If you extend that logic, you have a group of players whose playing window is in absolute decline. Again I say, Buy low, sell high. That said, you may be right and maybe I get far less for my players. Who knows?

Finally, the Ratliff to DE thing is not new. He’s a 305-pound stud routinely going up against guys who outweigh him by 30 pounds. Especially because only Wade looks for NT’s who are lighter and quicker, the new DC will likely want (just as I do) a big clogger in the middle and more pressure from his DE’s much like the Jets, Ravens and Steelers get.

That is what makes Jay Ratliff great for our scheme. KEY words our scheme.

This just in off of the newswire; OUR SCHEME NEXT YEAR WILL BE DIFFERENT

Yes, Winnie’s 3-4 is one of a kind. Look for changes to the defensive front. And by the way, Igor and Spears leave because they suck and they don’t provide value based on what we pay them.

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so...

I think the culture can be turned around quickly, with a new administration. And keep in mind a large majority of offensive penalties are on the line and defensive penalties are either lineup issues or poor coverage issues. Many of those should be fixed with new blood (I hope).

I don’t think this is a superbowl team, period. The oline needs to be revamped. The ilbs are average at best. The safeties are awful. And right now we go 2 deep at cb and newman is hurt.

I cannot believe this defense has fallen apart like this.

by foyesboys on Nov 6, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

The new sheriff will need to change the culture with Jerry looking over his shoulder...

which will elongate the process.

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by 5Blings on Nov 6, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Post

This offensive line needs help and soon. Plus I think standing up and announcing “WE ARE REBUILDING” is a lot less arrogant then “WE’RE GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL!” Especially in the preseason. This team is in desperate need of an overhaul.

by super eville on Nov 4, 2010 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I think great teams are ALWAYS in some state of rebuilding

It’s like going to the gym. You’re never there to maintain. You’re there to get better or you shouldn’t be there.

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by 5Blings on Nov 5, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes and Yes

As I’ve said, Luck looks like the next Big Ben. You don’t pass up these once-in-a-decade QB’s if you can get one.

Clearly, Jim Harbaugh is a guy who could build a new culture without having to deal with ties to the past.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 8, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess Jerry would have to hire a security team to make sure Luck

doesn’t stay in club bathrooms for too long hahaha.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 8, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That is just wrong...

:-)

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