Jerry Jones Willing To Make Some Hard Choices – Just Not Now
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 1, 2010 8:49 AM CDT
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PrintThe Cowboys‘ 1-6 start is the worst start through seven games since 1989, a season that famously ended 1-15. This has left Jerry Jones suitably embarrassed.
"I'm embarrassed. Of course I am. And to every fan, I should have and do take the ultimate, ultimate responsibility. I do. That's the way we're structured. That's the way I run it. There's no question that I have the plan and executing it to have the best players and the best coaching that we can have. I'm dumbfounded that we are 1-6. You couldn't get me to say it, but you know that I thought we had a team here that could be one of the top competitive teams in the NFL."
He’s right to be embarrassed and right to be dumbfounded. After all, this was a team that returned 20 of 22 starters from last season’s 11-5 campaign, and started training camp as a 6-1 favorite to win the Super Bowl. Those odds had jumped to 40-1 after the beatdown by the Giants, and after the Cowboys woke up from their little sleepwalking episode against the mighty, mighty Jaguars, the odds were an even 100-1.
Jones went on to say: "I'm very, very, very sorry to our fans. You should have better than this. You can tell by the way some of the things that we've done to certainly make the Cowboys everything you want them to be, you should be able to tell that I won't rest until we've figured some things out that get us in a different spot. What it is, I don't have that."
Okay, I get that. Jerry Jones is sorry, and I also believe him that he’s going to do all he can to turn this thing around, right?
"I don't think there is anybody in the world who would doubt that I'm willing to do something hard. I'm willing to do something that doesn't feel good to me."
But Jones draws the line at firing a coach during the season, as he doesn’t believe in quick, interim fixes.
"I am not in any way for making changes," Jones said. "I have always thought our best chance to win, when you've got three-day weeks and you've got to get ready to go to play a team, our best chance to win was to continue to be coached and continue to do some of the same things. There's not enough time [this season] to change."
"I think anybody would have the emotional and knee-jerk thought about just changing something to be changing. What has got to be taken into consideration is how effective those changes could be. […] The impact that can be made for preparing and coaching a team on a technical basis you’ve really got some serious technical limitations and challenges when you start talking about changing [with about 30-35 practices in full pads left for the team this season]."
But here’s the point: At 1-6 it’s obvious something is not working the way it should with this team and with this coaching staff. Whatever they’ve been doing so far has not worked. So the question Jerry Jones will have to ask his staff this morning is what are we going to change this week vs. what we’ve been doing the past seven weeks? And it’s not about a little bit here and a little bit there.
Here’s what Wade Phillips said yesterday:
"Everybody knows we have a lot of talent and that's not the problem. I have a talented players and I'm not getting them to play well enough. To me, that's the root of the problem."
My friends, these are the sounds a coach makes when he's trying to fire himself.
And if the answer Jerry Jones gets is even remotely similar to what Phillips said, then there is only one course of action left: Remove the root of the problem.
[Jerry Jones quotes taken from video of press interview on dallascowboys.com]
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The talent is overrated. That's one thing to face. The GM should fire himself
for not staying on top of that situation.
I actually pity Wade; I assume his contract prevents him from resigning. The radio guys here in Austin were talking about this this morning. They don’t believe JJ will fire Wade this year and perhaps next because he won’t want to pay top dollar for a successor who has nothing to do during the lock out.
I pity the guy too
I’m as mad and frustrated as anyone, I’ve had a childlike devotion to the Cowboys since the late 60’s. I know Wade has to go but I think he’s a good human being. It’s too bad, he was never the right guy for the job and now it’s all imploding.
I vehemently disagree Wade is the root of the problem. The root is Jerry. He creates an atmosphere that has not produced excellence since Jimmy Johnson left 15 years ago. Different coaches, with very completely different styles basically get the same result. It’s on Jerry.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't need to hire a GM
He needs 2 things:
1) Someone to tell him he’s wrong. Wade is an enabler. Wade says “we have so much talent here” “Leonard Davis is a pro-bowler”. Wade tells Jerry every single day how good of a GM he is! All Jerry hears from his coach is how happy the coach is with his players! So of course Jerry thinks he’s a good GM when he hears that every day?
2) If Jerry hires a GM, who still makes the calls? When a player gets upset with the new coach, they can still complain to Jerry whether there’s a GM or not. If the coach has to ask Jerry for permission to bench a player, a new GM doesn’t change that.
It’s the culture that needs to change, it’s all about the culture.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree with your 2nd point
You have no way of knowing if #1 is true or not but I think #2 is a root cause of 15 years of sucktitude or mediocrity. Every coach has his authority undermined because Jerry is too close to the players. You can tell he enjoys that part and gets his rocks off being around them.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
In my experience, most often than not the way a guy acts is the way he acts
Boy there’s a lot of times in my life where people assume guy X is quite different. That what they see isn’t the way he REALLY is. In my experience, no, that’s who he is.
I mean, do you really think Wade is ripping guys apart in the locker room, then takes a deep breath, walks out to the podium, tells the media how great his players are, then walks over to Jerry and they get into a fight about how much Jerry sucks at drafting?
No. The way Wade is is the way he is.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would you think a coach is going to be any more able to shut JJ down
than a GM? Parcells finally just got out of town. Let me amend it: Jerry needs to hire a GM and then get out of the way. I’m sure it’s pointless to want something like that, but if he really wants success, start there.
JJ
wants to win at all costs as long as he is actively involved. He would rather lose and be involved than take the chance on winning and not be.
It was written somewhere else in this string
I don’t think winning is really his priority. He might think it is, and he says a lot of the right things, but I think his priority is marketing the Cowboys. If he ever gets that priority right, all the decisions will take care of themselves, even him giving up some control.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Jerry is root of all this mess & its trickled down to the coaches & players. sooner rather then later Jerry will make the call & fire Wade to make himself look good but only Charlie Brown would buy that kool aid from Lucy 1 more time. Wade has some credible coaches going to bat for him & i would almost bet a few teams would be ringing his phone before he left Valley Ranch to come run there defense.
the problem is Jerry can’t hand it to Garrett bc he hasn’t even proved himself to be a worthy OC, Campo has already been down this road & doesn’t want any part of it, JoeD knows some football but seriously he can’t even get the special teams to be special. that leaves Ray Sherman or Paul Pacousan as your best choice for an intern HC.
I disagree
that the atmosphere has not produced excellence since JJ left 15 years ago. As a Giants fan I don’t have the same insider’s perspective most of you guys do, but the Cowboys have put out some damn good teams even if they didn’t win the Super Bowl. They were basically one pass away from going to Green Bay back in ‘07, and I’m sure there have been others like that.
I hate Jerry Jones, and believe that the whole JerryWorld atmosphere hurts the Cowboys more than it helps them, but still think they can and have had many good teams.
by twincitiesknick on Nov 1, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Jones is correct
in saying a change in HCs right now wouldn’t be productive because what would really change if Garrett or Sherman or DeCamillias were appointed on an interim basis.
Nothing would change and I think thats what Jerry is saying and I agree with him. Fans will just have to suffer through this season and look forward to 2011.
In Romo we Trust
See, this culture of zero accountability has even infected the fanbase
No offense Terry, but we’re 1-6. Lots of stuff has gone wrong. Normally in situations like this, people need to be held accountable, or there will be no change forthcoming. Any players benched so far outside of Davis for a couple of minutes? Anybody released? Anybody fired?
Of course firing Wade won’t change anything, but it will send a message that if you’re with the Cowboys, you’ll be held accountable for your actions.
Seems like standing in front of a microphone and saying a long-winded version of “Ooops, I did it again” without any further consequences is what the Cowboys culture of accountability is all about.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 1, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I was against firing Wade mid-season
until yesterday. There seems to be a rot setting in.
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 1, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
The "rot" has been here awhile now.
You could see its beginnings as early as December 2007 when the team coasted it’s way into the playoffs and quickly out of them. You could see it growing in 2008. The late season run of victories in 2009 just delayed the inevitable collapse that we’re getting to enjoy right now. The talent has finally dropped to the point that it can’t overcome the team’s mental weaknesses and carefree approach to games. The team’s poor approach has been Wade’s calling card for his entire tenure in Dallas, it has just taken a steadily declining o-line and secondary to finally make it visible. The shiny spire of the Cowboys has been sitting on a rotten foundation and most of these players are so used to playing in a consequence-free environment that I’m not sure a new coach with the same core of players is going to have much more success. This team is broken at its soul, and that kind of break is not one easily fixed overnight.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Nice post
Many, many people have testified to the rot setting in as early as 2007, only to be shouted down by many on this site. You know who you are—you are the ones who primarily believe the catastrophic wade phillips era was largely the result of poor execution and that if we could just tweak something here or there we would be “fine.”
For the past three years, I have sat by amazed at how fans could discuss trivial player acquisitions, drafts, free agency, etc. without addressing the elephant in the room—this organizational structure is a disaster.
Thus, the blame is also shared by all the Jerry Jones apologizers. Jerry said in his press conference to introduce wade (with tears welling in his eyes) “we had to get this right.” We’ll Jerry, you got it seriously wrong. But not because you hired the wrong guy—that’s part of it. You got it wrong when you decided to re-adopt the organizational structure you had prior to the Parcells era.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Well, let's not blame anyone's "apologizers." Posters can do back flips
defending Jerry, but the only one to blame is Jerry. No one here controls his actions. Now if you want to blame the yes-men I’m guessing he has around him, I’m right there with ya.
Here here
I couldn’t have said it any better than this both you and Athos right on the money with your point of view. Sad thing is Jerry will fire Wade eventually maybe even Garrett too but i doubt that he steps down and give up his gm duties. Even if he does that he will still want to have this close relationship that he has with his own players.
by cryinsilverblustars4eva on Nov 2, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, did you hear Sims and Nance yesterday?
they were saying start benching guys to send a message. Look at the guys on the sidelines. There’s no accountability whatsoever and they aren’t afraid of losing their jobs. They’re definitely not afraid of Wade or respect him. Remember, these are the same players that Wade inherited from Parcells. The common denominator is Jerry.
I think it's personalizing it too much to say that it's lack of accountability or caring
This is a classic case of a loss of cohesion. It happens in war all the time – a unit gets overwhelmed physically or psychologically and it breaks. A similar unit under similar conditions digs in and fights. When a unit breaks, when it loses cohesion, this is exactly what it looks like. It’s a loss of belief in being able to function. They have lost faith in themselves, in the team, the coaching, each other.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I disagree
I don’t think the players will view it that way. Now if you start cutting and benching players, that would get their attention, but I disagree the players will start holding themselves accountable if a new coach is appointed.
And really Garrett or whoever is appointed certainly won’t change that much since we’re in mid season. I think once we’re officially eliminated, young guys will start playing no matter who is HC.
In Romo we Trust
Agree
before we fire Wade, and we will in the offseason, how about we start benching some players, maybe even releasing them and playing rookies – no, not all of them – but put AOA or McCray for Ball, maybe even Young or Costa for Davis once Kosier comes back.
By the way, in his lockerroom press interview, Jerry had a Freudian slip and said the team was 1-7. HAHA Looks like he is quiting on the team too. Hey, at tleast he apologized to the fans and took the blame as well, when was the last time you heard Jerry say he was wrong?
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
i disagree
there will be changes, just not right now……
anyone left if wade is let go is going to be a lame duck coach as well…..
you want to make some changes, then bench some of the starters…..let them play some, but bench them (although at this point, they may not care)
sigh
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
yeah they held someone accountable
they keep the undrafted rookie free agent off the active roster for the missed block that got Romo knocked out. what makes that funny is the week before when Doug Free was still sitting in his stance after he clearly knew the ball was snapped & could’ve caused Romo’s season to end a week earlier but i never heard nothing about that play.
for a raggedy OL i think Kitna did really well, his stats were on par with Romo’s & he hasn’t played in 2 years. say all you want but seriously wheres the “talent” at on this team, Felix can’t even keep up with MJD behind a OL thats just as raggedy, a backup QB thats near 40 years old & hasn’t played in 2 years matched Romo’s numbers, Austin’s hands are about as concistent as D.Buehlers FGs, D-Ware has ZERO stats for the game but V.Butler makes a play. enough with this “talent” BS & see what a real GM or Head Coach would do with this bunch of fruads…D-Ware not even getting a tackle just amazes me…
Not only no tackles
Ware was actually awful. Jags two longest runs were on misdirections right at Ware who overpersued and lost containment.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
+100000
See, this culture of zero accountability has even infected the fanbase
I thought that was a great line too
Exactly my reaction when I read these posts about how changing Wade won’t matter and we all should just give up and accept having a crappy team forever.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I love your posts and agree with 99% of them but
no said that. Not even close.
The debate over whether to fire the coaching staff now or after the season is a real and serious debate. Quality franchises don’t usually fire coaches mid-season. It is in fact much more unusual than waiting for the season to end. Just because we despise the team looking like a joke and love us some instant gratification, the season is already lost. Jones needs to keep the emotions out and figure out what is good for the franchise and whether they can recover some equilibrium.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
You have to define what a quality franchise is
We qualify as quality based on our history and tradition but not currently. It can’t hurt. Someone needs to get their attention now before someone gets seriously injured. You can’t recover equilibrium if it wasnever there to begin with
Dude,
Just 2 weeks ago at least 1/3rd of the blogosphere from DMN writers to Raf to the commentors here where saying “keep Wade, it doesn’t matter”. I think even our own Brandon was in this boat.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
2 weeks ago
they weren’t this deep in the toilet. At this point, Jerry isn’t going to be able to avoid canning Phillips, even if he judges that he’s not the problem. The team stopped playing and it’s doubtful that they will ever be able to get it to play again for this staff as currently constructed.
The debate has changed in two weeks from “what is the problem with this team?” to “when should Jerry begin making changes?”
All I’m saying is that these are fair debates.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
This is definately true
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
I don't disagree with any of the point you make
But you started with a reply to me “no one said that, not even close” and, of course, there were many people saying that… I could link some DMN articles, Bob Sturm, and even BTB writers from not but 7 days ago. I just don’t want to have revisionist history is all.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes but....
Is there a chance that continuing with the dynamics of this team in the locker room and at closed practices do permanent damage to some potentially great young players? Can the losing cancer be cured in one off season? Can the culture and dynamics of this team be completely turned around in one off season. My concern is for guys like Dez, Lee, AOA and some others.
I'd start by....
Gutting that secondary…
Newman is a shell of his former self; he plays not to get beat now and i don’t care who the receiver is.
Scandrick: what has happened to this guy? Looked to have such a bright future, now he just plain sucks.
Jenkins: Only keeper IMO… despite his struggles with PI penalties, he tries to make plays back there.
Ball – clueless, I would have cut him after the first Jacksonville drive, no joke.
Sensabaugh – He can go too, he’s clueless back there in the secondary.
Newman has actually played well this year
especially considering he’s been banged up some.
Our safeties need completely replaced, they hang out the corners to dry far too often.
In Romo we Trust
Terry....
Coming from a guy that’s played and coached the position all of his life, trust me, T New is playing not to get beat. He’s been playing off all year long. Now, i don’t know if it is his option to play like this or Wade’s instruction, but he’s clearly not the same player anymore, he’s a nickel back at best now.
agreed...
Ive been critical of Newman for a couple of years now and thought he shouldve been a nickel back since last year. He doesn’t get INT’s unless it hits him in the face, but thats nothing new because he never does and also the reason he was never considered an elite CB in this league. I actually think he hasn’t been too bad this year. Scandrick has been freaking horrible. He has regressed as I said before, I’m not sure he will be nothing more than the 4th CB on this team next year the way he is playing.
I thing is certain, revamp the whole backfield in the offseason. Move Ball back to the 4th or 5th CB and don’t resign Sensabaugh.
Newman has been our best DB
Take that fact however you want, but he’s the last guy I’d replace in the secondary right now.
In Romo we Trust
Jenkins is still the best CB...
Newman will be served best as the slot CB next year and probably will be. We need to make a move for another staring CB in the offseason to play opposite Jenkins.
I didn't say Newman was the best
I said he’s been playing the best, much better than Jenkins this year. The only thing Jenkins has over Newman is youth.
In Romo we Trust
Dunno guys...
Newman has done nothing this year besides play it safe… He doesn’t try to make plays at all
Christ, doesn't matter who's best
when a jugs machine could have a perfet passing rating against it.
by Road Warrior on Nov 1, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Newman is overpaid and overrated
But that doesn’t mean he’s bad. I think he’s had the best production of all our our CBs so far this years. He’s not a play-maker, never has been, and never will be. But it’s usually not his man that’s gashing us. I see Jenkins and Scandrick around every WR that burns us, but not Newman.
Honestly, I think Jenkins has given up. I think he needs someone to jump his ass after every mistake for him to play at a high level.
Ball is a joke, Sensabaugh is a quitter that is already planning out his free agency — if the Star means anything anymore he shouldn’t be allowed to wear it.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I think your perception of what is happening in the backfield
is wrong. If you care to read what Rafe and Sturm have had to say about the plays in which it has appeared Jenkins was beat deep this year, beginning with the deep throw to Knox in the Chicago game, you will learn that almost all of the times Jenkins appeared to get beat he was in zone coverage, playing underneath. It only looked like he got beat because Ball (the safety on most of the plays) did not provide coverage over the top which Jenkins was expecting. Jenkins was not the problem on those plays, Ball was.
I don't disagree with that fact
safeties on the team make the corners look bad, however, that doesn’t change the fact that Newman has played better than Jenkins so far this season.
In Romo we Trust
Terry, NO WAY!!!
Jenkins is easly our best DB and it’s not even close. even with the PI’s, he tries to make plays while Newman is content with giving you a 7 yard completion and making the tackle.
We're talking total rebuild fellas
Priorities will have to be set and Newman is not one of them. Could he be better. Sure. But to argue that is where you would start overhauling this team is crazy.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
He's in a downward spiral...
with injuries, diminishing speed, and dwindling instincts for the ball. In the Giant’s game, Newman couldn’t overcome a rib injury to make a simple pass deflection. Beginning with the failed pass deflection versus Marshall in the Denver game, his spectacular misses are beginning to stack up.
Yeah
Jenkins has regressed this year.
However, he does lead in one key stat:
Pass Interference penalties. Woo-freakin-hoo!
But as a tandem, both of them have been a big-ass disappointment. This duo probably also lead the league in missed tackles.
Talk about your classic underachievers.
Dallas Cowboys: America's Dumbest Team
So....
You would start by cutting or replacing a player that you have no idea if he’s playing the position the way he’s being told to play or not?
I respect your opinion
T New is my boy, but he’s a 32 yr old corner that basically gets injured every year.
I like T-New...
…but if “actually played well” includes poor tackling, then maybe you’re right by your standards.
But not mine.
Opposing receivers are not just getting open and catching passes, they’re getting additional yards because of missed tackles.
And it’s not just Newman.
It’s like a disease where our defense gives up extra yardage—that add up over the course of a game—due to mis-tackles.
The theme for the D this year should be…
“101 ways to give up yards and points.”
We probably have the most underachieving group players in the NFL right now—esp. on the defensive side of the ball.
Dallas Cowboys: America's Dumbest Team
Newman tackles well for a cover corner
the majority of cover concerns aren’t built to lay the wood when they tackle. PrimeTime wasn’t known for tackling but he’s considered the best cover corner in the NFL (he called it a business decision).
it 2 types of CBs & it depends on what scheme you run as to which you have.
And as much as I loved Prime Time
I hated that he was a wussy like that when it came to tackling.
I’m so tired of our team underachieving and playing weak and sissy like on D.
Btw, I respectfully disagree about Newman tackling well for a cover corner…esp this year.
Dallas Cowboys: America's Dumbest Team
TNew has been our most consistent DB
Jenkins had a great start to the season, but I think he may still be playing hobbled. Ever since the injury where he had to leave the game, he just has not been the same.
And his lack of intelligence is seriously showing
When you can’t stop yourself from holding and grabbing after repeated PI calls, week after week, you have a serious mental issue.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
You guys are forgetting
I believe it was T New’s second year when he was flagged for a ton of PI penalties… shyt happens, but a corner can never stop being aggressive.
There is a huge difference
There is a way to play aggressive without repeated grabbing and holding penalties down field. A good CB has to learn the difference. Jenkins hasn’t learned that yet.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I really don't care
He’s not playing well. What is your point? I’m not advocating either Newman or Jenkins should be cut, there are much bigger priorities that need to be addressed first.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Although Newman
has been playing well, i think he is due for a season of injuries next year due to his age. we need 2 cbs (replacement for newman and scandrick) and 2 safeties to start. completely rebuild the dbs
i would go for patrick peterson
play newman on the slot next year (not more) and get rid of scandrick he sucks
And my point is Newman is not part of the garbage.
Relative to the needs on this team, he needs to be around a while longer.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
No problem with that thinking...
Look I’ve played corner all of my life and coach it now…. so I’ll always have a soft spot for the secondary as a whole, this is why I started with that unit. I screamed all night for Newman to step up and press those Giants WR’s, because he’s faster than ‘em all, so there’s no reason to give a cushion like that.
Anyway, it’s obvious, the O Line, needs a major overhaul and it would be nice to see Lee instead of Brooking and one of the younger guys challenge Bradie James
You ever tried press coverage with busted ribs?
Good luck with that
by Dezstroyer88 on Nov 1, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
If he steps on the field to play,
there are non excuses.
seriously dude, out of all the people to point fingers at Newman is the last.
Jenkins is still a quality CB but when you have 2 safeties that aren’t in there positions or not working with the CB then its going to look like a mess. Jenkins was pointing to the safety when he passed the WR off to him & it was either Ball or Church just didn’t get there. thats unreal & unacceptable even at this level…
not even the best cover corners in the NFL can keep up with a legit WR for that amount of time or certain routes, that why they have safties & pass rushers…
DC
No one is disputing what you’re saying about the safeties. this is why I said Ball would’ve been cut after the first drive after those two horrible plays. Jenkins was playing outside leverage and Ball was clueless on that play and the TD which followed shortly after.
my bad BK
Ball is clueless & how Jerry allowed that to happen is beyond me. i’m sure Wade was well aware of it & explained to Jerry what could happen rolling with Ball but Jerry didn’t realize it could blow up like that or i’m sure he would’ve got Atogwe or a legit FS somewhere.
Jerry gets the worst advice or he just makes the most ignorant decisions & its not things that he didn’t know bc i can’t see Wade (35 yrs od coaching) not being able to see Ball was a huge gamble. was Houck not being able to see Barron wasn’t worth bringing in or did Barron do ok against our defense? how on earth did they get that one screwed up when you know your RT has knee problems & you LT had no experience starting. which coach said they could make the offense high power with Roy Williams? was it all Jerry or was that something Garrett wanted?
these mistakes shouldn’t happen at this level, especially when you have all offseason in an uncapped year to fix it.
Great Insider Information!!!!
Was this a conversation you witnessed? I was wondering if it’s Wade’s inability to evaluate talent or Jerry just saying screw this billion dollar investment, I don’t care if you do want a FS, use what you’ve got.
umm either you misunderstood my point or your just another apoligist
i couldn’t care less about one certain hole on this team but in general i was saying i’m sure Wade knew there was problems before the season started & i’m sure Garrett, Houck & the entire staff did. Jerry did nothing in an uncapped year with his billions of dollars to secure some areas of concern, Jerry did well spending the cap money resigning a couple players & paying the overrated ones but when he could’ve dipped in his pocket to make a difference he ignored the situation.
Jerrys billion dollar investment is seperate from the players that wear the logo that earned him that money, which has become a problem.
I just don't know how poeple say they knew
I don’t know what Wade or his staff told Jerry. I don’t know if Garrett talks to Jerry directly about such things. I don’t know if Wade did tell Jerry and he somehow ignored him. I don’t know if Jerry did hear Wade and then the scouting department feels that no lineman are of the value they placed on a FA or a draft position.
To say you are sure that Wade know there were problems, told Jerry and Jerry did nothing seems to me that you must work within the organization and I appreciate you taking the time to contribute to this board.
well it's kinda obvious at the end of the season.......
that we needed better safety play and our oline got killed against Minn. I’d have to agree that somebody put on the blinders and thought they could get by. Big mistake. You can’t tell me that Wade is that dumb to not see the horrible safety play last year. I think that Jerry thought we could get safety on the cheap and poor all the money at others like Miles Austin, Ware etc. Big oversight.
So we need to upgrade the OL and safety positions
So poor wade is just a victim of Jerry’s stubborn greedy ways. All I’m saying is there are a lot of factors involved and it’s not necessarily Jerry’s fault.
only one interpretation:
And to every fan, I should have and do take the ultimate, ultimate responsibility.
I’m willing to do something hard. I’m willing to do something that doesn’t feel good to me."
Jerry Jones is going to fire himself as GM and allow the team to succeed with a real GM and coach.
FREE FREEBRADSHAW!!!
That will never happen
By saying he’s going to do something that doesn’t feel good to me, he’s saying he’ll eventually fire Wade after the season.
In Romo we Trust
Meh, watever
Whoever leads this thing is going down with the ship. If the new coach does an excpetional job what does that mean? 4 more wins? 5-11 season? That’s the high end? Nah, the coach is going down with this ship.
Put whomever in there, just not Wade. At least fire Wade to force some kind of accountability in this organization.
And if we can get a Gruden in here then Gruden can use this time to evaluate players and tinker around with how scheme.
The 2010 season is dead. Last week was the first game of the 2011 pre-season.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
2 more would actually be unlucky
That just moves Dallas down in the draft.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
not by much
we’re getting a top 5 pick regardless…we don’t need the #1 overall pick
In Romo we Trust
The difference in # 1 and #5 is huge.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
If this team can succeed at one thing, it can succeed at failing!
We should demand these players fail week in and week out.
If this club can do one thing for us, it’s getting us the #1 pick in the draft so we can draft some really nice players to BLOW OUT these yahoos with stars on their helmets.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You're saying Luck won't be #1?
That’s different than saying you don’t want Dallas to draft him.
I’m sure you will never agree the Cowboys should draft Luck and you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. Romo is not the blame for this mess but thinking about drafting a possible Peyton Manning caliber QB is something the Cowboys would have to consider. A lot of scouts think he’s that good.
Romo would have maximum trade value, half the league would give up their number 1 to get him. You could potentially have Luck and a 2nd high first round pick. With a 2-3 year rebuilding process ahead, I’d seriously consider it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed....
Romo not the problem at all but decent trade value and manageable contract…plus by the time we get this turned around Romo will be 32/33….
would like more of a clean sweep….
you could probably get more then just a 1st rd for Romo
there would be enough mediocre teams that would drive the price up.
the flip side we get a franchise QB for the next 15 years & trade bait to help rebuild. this teams lacking about 6 good starters not even counting players like B.James, Igor, Guorde, Kosier that are close to the end. add in no quality backups & its a bigger mess then it looks on the surface
i don't dislike Romo, i even own his jersey
i bought into him being the QB of this team & i still like the guy but i’ve seen enough to know to we could use that pick for an elite level QB.
we know Romo isn’t all the problem bc we saw a 40 yr old QB that hasn’t played in 2 years rival his weekly stats basically off the bench. we just could have a lot better decisions & play from the QB position with a guy like A.Luck. its a win-win situation if Dallas doesn’t get to draft Luck & we keep Romo but the window of oppurtunity for Romo is very small before he becomes the next goat in Dallas.
this isn’t like Al Davis jumping for J.Russell bc everyone knew he was bust, thats also the same guy who passed on Crabtree to get a less talented DHB bc of his speed lol. there was plenty of people who steered away from R.Leaf bc of his drug/character issues. Leaf had some ability but he didn’t have any brains to it all together.
Luck is the real deal, he’s got the height, arm strength,accuracy, IQ, talent,leadership, character & he’s mobile. Lucks got more potential then Sam Bradford & you see what he’s doing his first season with a WR that Dallas used as camp body lol (Amendola)…
I disagree
There is no guarantee that Luck would be a better qb than Romo. Romo is an elite level qb whether you want to believe it or not. His teammates know that, it’s why when he went down, they quit on the season. They knew the playoffs were now impossible.
Romo has about 5 or 6 really good years left, thats enough time to bring in a new coaching staff to right the ship. We definitely don’t need Luck, what we need is a new OL and secondary.
In Romo we Trust
i'm not gonna debate if Luck is better then Romo
or if Romo is a franchise QB but Lucks skillset & talent are way above what Romo could ever do.
Luck is taller, more accurate, stronger arm, higher IQ, vocal leader, high character, younger, mobile & list goes on.
Romo is a very good QB but he’s hardly elite. i only see 2 elite QBs in the NFL that can win games at will, Brady & Manning. even QBs like Brees, Rivers & even Eli are still a notch above Romo so this “elite” stuff isn’t just padded stats. sometimes you need to just use the eyeball test when something looks better then it really is. its like buying a used car, it might have a tiny scratch but it doesn’t mean the rest isn’t in perfect shape but you bought the other one bc it had a better paint job & problems you don’t see from the stats or the outside.
also about the respect thing, look at the retired players that can tell the truth now there out of the league & listen to what they say. its not all lies about Romo not being the leader he needs to be or these tipped balls that were catchable but still not accurately thrown. its a blue print on beating Romo & we’ve seen the same results when it mattered the most. it started with the Giants in the playoffs then the Eagles 44-6, Vikings 34-6 & 2010 theres nothing to talk about once again.
Terry doesn't want to admit this........
but from what I have heard, the Cowboys put all of their effort in to beating the Giants. They gave everything that they had to winning that game. When that went south, they quit. Losing Romo didn’t help, but that’s not the only reason that we lost yesterday. This team has a lot more problems than just losing Romo. He seems to have forgotten that we were 1-5 with him in there.
what woke me up was
when i saw Kinta put up the same padded stats as Romo has & thats coming from a 40 year old QB thats been a backup for 2 years.
i know Romo isn’t the worst problem but its an eye opener when Kitna strolls in & does the same thing. is Romo just in a system thats padding his stats bc it always seems to end bad in biggest games
Padded stats?
Unreal.
They aren’t padded stats. They are stats produced in spite of other serious team flaws. Amazing to me that you are unable to see them – defense, offensive line, STs… If any one of those areas not called “QB” were even slightly better, the team would be competitive.
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the sad truth is.......
Kitna played pretty good yesterday. If the defense hadn’t checked out for the day and the wide receivers could catch passes in their hands, then they could have had a chance. What’s really sad about the whole thing is the team keep saying that Wade’s not the problem. Well they will end up getting him fired by the end of the year.
That's sort of my point
people are pointing the finger all over the place, but the culprits have been and remain clear – OL, ILB, secondary. Wade may have to be fired to start rebuilding, but Jerry is the personnel guy and it’s those guys’ talent he over-estimated.
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what really is sad........
all of these decisions are Jerry’s not Wade’s. People want to make fun of Wade etc. but Jerry set him up to fail by hiring his O.C. before the head coach, hiring Houck when Wade wanted someone else etc. I know Jerry is Jerry, but these are people’s lives that he has been playing with and people will be losing their jobs. That’s the sad part. These are the same players that Parcells had. Jerry loves to keep the players and ditch the coaches. That’s the real sad part
I don't know how the dynamics work
but I certainly think Jerry has mis-evaluated the talent (his job-one as the GM) and the coaches have siffered for it.
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well i agree with that
we might not agree on another point but i hold Jerry resposible more then Wades scheme or coaching.
Wade will get fired unless Jerrys to tight to pay him off & hire a real coach
The whole idea that a player can "pad stats"
is simply nonsense. Every single play in football is against real teams in real games. If Qbs could just pad them some stats they would! All of them. But they can’t They actually have to earn every single pass completed. The run of a season can fool you about the value of a QB, but not a run of four or five. Their numbers are who they are. Romo is a phenomenal QB on a team with an aging OL and a mediocre defense.
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the thing about it......
stats don’t really mean that much. It’s the wins that count. Unfortunately, 3 of Kitna’s “interceptions” were on the receivers. So if a person were to go by his stats, he had a pretty bad day, but the reality was his receivers let him down. BTW, I’m not advocating that Kitna’s this great QB, but for a backup he did pretty good if the rest of the team didn’t let him down.
Of course winning is the aim
but when you evaluate an individual player, you can only go by his stats. It’s all he controls. So Kitna played well. The team did not. It’s not padded as some people like to drone on about. It’s just how it works. A team can have players who play well and still lose, just as they can have poor performances in a win.
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If it's anyone who matters doing the evaluating, they consider more than just the stats
I mean, if a scout or someone with an NFL team were evaluating a player, they wouldn’t just look at the stats. They would watch the tape, see the situation. It’s only in fandom that just the stats matter.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 2, 2010 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually probably the reverse
It’s only in fandom that stats are ignored for an under-informed opinion. Guys, especially at QB, can’t earn great stats without playing well. It’s simply not possible in this league.
Don't believe everything you think.
by dunkman on Nov 2, 2010 8:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
Romos stats look great to the eyeball but when you see his mistakes or how the defense dictated them your left thinking “why did he do that?”
just like dumping the ball off to Choice which resulted in a fumble, it was bad call on Garrett & even worse decision for Romo to throw it but Choice gets the blame which he deserves some it but it was the situation that created the strip fumble. i’m sure Choice was like “really Romo? why did you even throw that?”
you sound like Deke
You’re obviously not a Romo fan and thats fine, there are plenty out there. But that doesn’t change the fact he really is an eilte qb and one of the very best in the NFL.
Romo would have put up much better numbers than Kitna did and we probably come close to beating the Jags with him. Romo imposes his will in games, its just a shame you can’t see it.
In Romo we Trust
my point is
Kitna (the 40 year old back up, that hasn’t played in 2 years) put up the same stats as our suspose “franchise” QB. thats not saying much for Romo’s ability.
maybe this phenomenal QB (romo) looked great compared to the others before but now he’s just slightly above average after we’ve seen 4 years of his work.
stats don’t win games & elite QBs go to the HoF, i’m sorry but i can’t see Romo catching fire in his 30’s & becoming a HoF calibur QB with the way the games played today.
all the guru’s on TV are jumping off the Romo bandwagon & not there 100% correct but where theres smoke theres fire. Romo doesn’t possess that leadership on the field or in the lockerroom or it wouldn’t be a topic. the blueprint of getting Romo to make mistakes or defending him is set in stone. defenses will always find a way to get pressure on him no matter whos at the OL bc he can’t change his natural reaction. his mechanics break down soon as he’s been sacked a couple times & thats not a sign of an elite QB. Brady fires off at the players, takes charge & looks like the Statue of Liberty standing in the pocket when pressures around him, not Romo. Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees, A.Rodgers & even Eli never panic when the pressures around them & if they get sacked they only get better, Romo doesn’t.
i’m just saying…
they weren't the same stats
when was the last time Romo threw 4 INTs to one TD?? Yeah, I didn’t think so.
Romo throws an INT for every two TDs, Kitna is even in that ratio.
Nuff said.
In Romo we Trust
i see the other problems not called "QB"
but if your telling me a 40 year old backup QB that hasn’t played in 2 years, was undrafted & never was really anybody in the NFL can play at the same calibur as our suspose “franchise QB” then thats unreal.
nothing changed with Kitna in the game & thats not saying a lot about Romo. maybe this OL isn’t as bad as it looks or maybe our RBs aren’t that great anyway.
i do agree theres some problems with Davis & Colombo with the OL but to think Romo is elite is crazy
Why crazy?
his stats say he’s elite. The game/win ratio is high. What you base it on is whether they have won a bunch of playoff games. Is that the measure of a single player? Not so much.
Kitna played well because he’s a veteran who played as starter for the majority of his career. He’s a solid player. He had a solid game. His numbers aren’t as good as Romo’s but they reflect Kitna’s norm.
If it’s your opinion that this line isn’t that bad, you’re just “padding” your words to support a deeply felt, but unsubstantiated bias. It’s fine. We all have them, but it’s nothing to rely on for decision-making.
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its not opinion the OL is bad bc it is
Davis is clearly done & Colombo’s knee crap but if Kitna can do basically what Romo did then that means Romo is just a “solid” QB.
look at the Steelers offense when Big Ben was out & look at it now, your “franchise” QB should make more of a difference then your 40 year old backup QB that hasn’t played in 2 years.
Jacksonville
is the worst defensive team in the league, so that goes part of the way to explaining Kitna’s numbers despite his age and amount of recent gametime.
Are you "padding" your argument against Romo
by continually claiming Kitna is 40 when he is 38? :)
yeah you just made that a better argument : )
he’s 38, 39 or 40 its all down hill when you in your late 30’s but my point is Kitna hasn’t taken many if any reps with the first team, he’s been a backup for 2 years now, he’s not good enough to start in the NFL or he would be. our backup is just as solid as our starter but its just my opinion & i’m sure theres some numbers that are out there that can be twisted to make Romo look better then Peyton Manning lol…
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A few weeks ago, I thought this was crazy....
but I’m starting to think differently. Besides, Romo would still be our starter the next couple of years. Behind this O-line, he’ll be dead by then so we need a good backup.
by Road Warrior on Nov 1, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
no thats not what I'm saying
I’m saying we shouldn’t draft Luck because we already have a franchise qb in Romo who is in his prime. By the time Luck gets the experience he needs to be great, a lot of the core talent base like Witten and Ware will be past their prime.
In Romo we Trust
If Luck is as good as some say
He would be decent in yr 1 and excellent by yr 3. It’s happening all over the league now. Guys don’t need 5 yrs on the bench to grasp the NFL game anymore. He could be the next franchise QB for the next 12-15 yrs.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
dude QBs are coming out of college ready these days
it wouldn’t take Luck 2 years to pass anything Romo could offer. i know you like Romo & so do i but these chances don’t come around very often with the talent we have across the board.
Sanchise went to the AFC Championship & almost won the game in his rookie year, Flacco has been in the playoffs every year since arriving in the NFL. the only reason some of these QBs (Rams,LionsFalcons, etc) weren’t in the playoff hunt sooner is bc the level of talent around them.
Luck is playing in a prostyle offense already & he’s being coached by some of best in the business. actually Jim Harbough (Lucks HC) could be a canidate for the next HC job in Dallas.
Witten is slowly on the down side of his "prime"
Ware isn’t a spring chicken either but he’s still good to go but it does seem he hasn’t been that dominate player he was since that neck injury last year. he came back the next week to play & he played well to seal the deal in that Saints game but he’s been invisible at times this season.
he didn’t even record a tackle in that Jags game & thats our core player on defense. V.Butler has earned some playing time & it might give Dware some snaps off to keep him around longer.
Call me crazy, but I really see Jerry bringing in Shawn Merriman
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-Emmitt Smith
we have a franchise QB?
we have an undrafted free agent thats been nice story to Dallas’s history but he’s no Aikman or Roger…don’t let the rose colored glasses & shiney stats pad your ego. no matter how good the OL is or the WRs are he’s always going to make bad decisions when the pressures on him.
Favre won 1 super bowl in 20 years of “gun slinging” & he’s had way more luck then Romo but they both choked at the worst times. the blue print to beating Romo is set in stone & you can put a brick wall in front of him & it wouldn’t change a thing. the same can be said about McNabb…
with the 1st pick of the NFL draft the Dallas Cowboys select Andrew Luck (a real franchise QB!)
I'm definitely on the side of drafting Luck
But I think you’re off base on Romo. He’s overcome a lot of the bad decisions he used to make, he had a great year last year and considering the talent level of this team was doing fine. If he played for Sean Payton in NO he would already have his ring. He’s not the problem but I think he could be a big part of the long term solution. I’ll hate to see him go if it comes to that.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Luck is a great Talent
But Buff is just to bad to not get the first pick. I would love to get CB Peterson or that DE /DT from Bama Darrius(sp?) either way, a top 5 pick is in our future.
Buffalo has been in OT the past 2 weeks with Balt and KC
They have a lot more fight than the Cowboys. They’ll win a few games.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You really have no idea
The stats aren’t separate from the performance. As bad as Jerry may be as a GM, thanks for showing us that others could be worse…
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Thats not true at all
Romo has improved his bad decisions greatly, I haven’t seen that many since the home opener in 2009.
In Romo we Trust
I own two authentic Romo jerseys
and would gladly retire them for Luck and whatever Romo could get us in a trade (which should be a lot) to improve the rest of the team. 10+ years for a young franchise qb vs. the good 2-3 yrs at most Romo has left would be worth it for the long run.
That's not the way to do it
you bring in a guy like Luck to develop behind an established veteran for three years and then look at transition. I can’t count how many “can’t miss” QBs have failed, but it might be a number too high even for OCC….
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Or how many "next Payton Mannings"
become very ordinary starters in the NFL.
Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford…
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point as well
there are no “sure things” with guys who are still in college.
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i don't think Staffords had much of a chance
Eli might not be Peyton but he’s a top 10 QB & has a superbowl ring. it was the offense that drove down the field & scored the winning TD…
i wouldn’t compare any QB to Peyton bc he’s the best this era has ever seen but that doesn’t mean Luck won’t be a lot better then what we have
If SB rings have anything to do with it?
I’d say Brady is the best of the era. In the 70s Bradshaw had 4 rings and Roger had 2. Both were on great teams, but IMO Bradshaw is better because of the rings. Roger was great no doubt, but the ring is the prize.
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I don't think it's that low when you're talking QB's at that level
The Ryan Leafs are the exceptions. When you’re talking the guys that basically everyone says is going to be elite, they’re not wrong half the time. Lower 1st rounders and below you’re probably right.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 2, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Off the top of my head
Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith, Rick Mirer, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, heath Shuler, Jamarcus Russell, David Carr, Tim Couch, Andre Ware, Todd Marinovich, Joey Harrington, Cade McNown
I’d say the bust rate is pretty close to 50%
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nice list but atleast be honest
look who drafted J.Russell (AL DAVIS) & i don’t know many experts that thought he was ever worth that pick. also you can’t excuse ignorant scouting or lack of it for an organization that doesn’t do there homework…
also the experiment of trying to take system QBs & translate them to the NFL ended with guys like Carr, Harrington, Smith.
also the reason Ryan Leaf was rated so high is bc the draft guru’s were involved with agents & got paid to drive there stock up which later got exposed. those picks listed aren’t accurate to the information & knowledge they have now.
it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see Luck will be a great NFL QB, he runs a pro style offense, has a strong arm, makes great decisions & is a clear leader of his team. he also has one of best coaching staffs in the country & goes to school that just doesn’t take players for there measurables. that says a lot about his character bc he could’ve went to just about any college & he took on the role of a true athlete/student….
How am I not being honest?
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Leaf had character/drug issues before the draft
it wasn’t any secret Peyton was the best QB but some of the draft guru’s work with agents to drive college players stock up so they can represent them in the NFL. oh & Leaf took $10,000 from a runner : )
J.Russell was the pick of a crazy old man that has no clue how draft, i don’t know anyone but Al Davis that tought he was going to be a franchise QB.
system QBs like K.Kolb are a high risk or say T.Tebow but most of the top rated QBs in this era have all been keepers.
Luck plays in a pro style offense & has some of the best coaches/education in the country. dude is a lock to be great.
The drafting of Andrew Luck would
reinvigorate and re-unite the fan base over night. As affable a guy as he has been, Romo has never earned the respect of all the fans. With the drafting of Luck and the trading of Romo, we could stop with these silly arguments about Romo.
No we wouldn't
fans would do the same thing to Luck. There aren’t many QBs in the HISTORY of the game who have played at Romo’s level, and yet because the team as a whole hasn’t won a championship, fans blame him.
You can’t expect that emotion-driven aspect of fanhood to change until they fix the foundational positions of this team – front five and front seven.
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I don't know if we would do the same things to Luck.
Luck would have a pedigree. Some of us, not saying you, have always been biased against Romo because he was an Undrafted FA. Luck is taller. That in itself would eliminate many of the arguments over the silly things that happen to Romo because he has to throw around people rather than over them. From what I have seen so far, Luck is smarter. I just don’t see Luck throwing to Choice on the last play of a half and risking a fumble. So, we wouldn’t have that to argue about anymore. Being the creative sort we are, I am sure we would still find something to argue about. But, from what I have seen of Luck, I think it would be harder for any of us to deny Luck’s command of an offense. I hope we get the chance to have those arguments though.
Eesh. OK.
The pedigree lasts about one pre-season. Ask Ryan Leaf.
Brees would argue your point on height since he’s shorter than Romo.
You have no basis for comparing their intelligence.
Jimmy Jophnson said he as a coach wouldn’t have blamed either Romo or Choice because players execute what’s called and the play on the field happens too fast for them to try to go through scenario-based analysis of the play that is called.
Luck has never commanded an NFL offense.
What else?
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And Luck may turn out to be a great QB.
but if you look at this current team and say to yourself “LDV, what we really need to fix this team is a new QB”, then you definitely are looking for the bright shiny things in a way that has always gotten Jerry in trouble. IMO, in order, this team needs: Guard, Tackle, Center, ILB, SS, FS, CB.
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Based on what I have seen
of this team the past few weeks, I am now leaning in favor of starting completely over. There are only a handful of players on each side of the ball that I think are worth keeping. The OL, DL, LB and Secondary rebuilding project will take at least 2 to 3 years. In the meantime, we’ll just be biding our time with Romo. If we are going to be practically starting over everywhere else, why not start at the top?
I'm not a Romo basher, but if Dallas has the #1 I'm thinking very seriously about Luck
First and foremost, I don’t blame Tony Romo for the current situation. He had a great year last year and considering everything that’s happened this year, this year he’s played very well too. I also think the rebuilding has to start based on needs/priorities. Having said that, here’s why I would probably take Luck and trade Romo:
1. This is a 2-3 year rebuilding process. In 2-3 years, Luck will be ready to take the team to the SB. Romo will be approaching his mid-30’s and on the backside of his career. Luck will have 10+ yrs left. Being set at QB for the next 10+ years is huge to me
2. Pick Luck with #1 and you likely get a high 1st round pick for Romo. Yep, I trade the guy for as high and as many picks as I can get. At the level he plays, half the league should want him.
To me, having so many high priority needs is a reason to trade Romo and pick Luck. Dallas is not winning the SB next year or the year after. Trade as many guys as you can who won’t be there to help when the time comes to make a real run.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 2, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, that's an argument for or against a guy. Pedigree.
You’ve crowned this guy a champion before he’s taken a single snap.
well Romo is a lock for the HoF by some comments
all the Romo lovers, haters & those on the fence all have valid points. i’m on the fence about Romo & theres enough of a sample to see he can do some really good things but he can also throw it away at any given play. early in his career he had the luck on his side when these plays happened but now its reveresed & he’s been exposed to the point defenses don’t fear him anymore. if you think different then wake up bc there all saying the same thing. when you pressure a QB in the pocket it tells you a lot about them & its a blue print on defending Romo. he’s going to make bad decisions the more prssure he feels & no matter how you fix the OL defenses will always find a way to get pressure.
go look at film on Brady, Manning, Rivers or Brees & look at there decisions or natural insticts are when defenses sack them or get consistent pressure, then look at Romo
At least Romo has actually played. You'll have
to show me where the “Romo lovers” have made him a candidate for the HoF (other than Terry). And as long as you’re making things up, other than Leslie Frazier, who comes from an organization seriously lacking in class, who has dissed Romo? I just read a couple of weeks ago that one of the star D linemen the Cowboys played against recently (can’t remember which one) spent 20 minutes in an interview talking about how terrific Romo is and the respect he has for him. And I’d be more than happy to find you film on each of those QBs you worship making stupid mistakes. Want me to pull up Brees’s 2 picks 6’s two weeks ago? Natural instincts? Be happy to show you as many great natural moves Romo has made as you can show me mistakes. You don’t have to like Romo, and you can slobber yourself wanting the Cowboys to lose every game in order to get that first pick, but you’re full of crap when it comes to this argument.
Oh, and by the way, if you’re so convinced that Romo sucks and no one respects him, then why do you think the Cowboys will get a raft of great picks for him?
so in the history of this game
you never seen many QBs play up to Romo’s level? are you telling me Romo is a lock for the HoF?
seriously dude, i like Romo but atleast be honest…
All the fans? No, he has never won over every fan. But last
I looked, his was one of the most popular jerseys in the NFL, and after this much time, that indicates that a whole lot of people surely like him, and he’s not just a flash in the pan.
As for silly arguments, unless Luck did turn out to be the second coming of Peyton Manning, don’t kid yourself that the arguments wouldn’t start all over again.
i think comparing any QB to Peyton is stupid
but if you think comparing what Luck offers to Romo then its easy to see which player has the best qualities.
Luck is the real deal & a general on the field…
He maybe good or he may not be good.
Only time will tell. IMO there are no surethings in the draft.
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I think you have no idea what Luck has since he's
never taken a professional snap. If you think any QB is a sure thing, you haven’t watched much football.
Never going to happen.
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Sitting in the stands yesterday was like watching a funeral
In many ways there was a certain dark humor being at the stadium yesterday. The giant video board is going off with pre-made commercials and spots to fire up the fans. By the end of the first quarter when we all realized the players did not care, the constant clips of Miles, Demarcus, Leonard (I cannot move) Davis imploring us to make noise for the Defense was sad.
By the time the Jaguars were converting another 3rd down, the graphic of the Cowboys star stopping the O-ffence dead in its tracks was funnier and funnier. You could almost see Jerry standing over the poor guy – ‘Run it again, maybe the Defense will stop them this time.’
Late in the 4th, with the stand holding about 10,000 fans, the Make Noise commercial ran again but there were not enough Cowboy fans left to muster even a cheer.
I will tell you the thing that will be the biggest nightmare for Jerry. Looking around in my section, people were shocked at first but then that sense of apathy started to set in with a far away look in their eyes. Maybe they were hoping for better things across the parking lot for the Ranger (NOT).
But in reality, they were thinking maybe I can find something better to do with my $500 that I spent on these seats. And the more that thought permeates the fans at the games, the worse it will be for Jerry. It won’t hurt this season but it could make 2011, if we have a season, a down year for revenue.
All that being said, maybe the one silver lining in all this is Jerry will make a change. He is old enough now that he cannot sit through another 3-year run of 5-11. He is approaching the end of his life and may be willing to do what it take to win now. New coach, new direction. Hope springs eternal. Oh, to be a Cowboys fan!
thats what the Raider fans thought 10 years ago about Al Davis
this organization hasn’t seen bad yet unless some reason Jerry finally gets it & hires a credible head coach that can put in the proper structure & have the authority to make changes, even if he runs it by Jerry & explains how it’ll make it better. most of they need a real GM or HC that keep Jerry from making ignorant moves like the Roy Williams trade & cleaning up the scouting/draft boards instead of just the eyeball test.
Jerrys like WoW whos that RB? oh his name is Felix Jones & he’s only a backup bc of D.McFadden but man he’s electric, oh & he’s a kick returner also. Jerry thinking to himself, i gotta have that kid, he’ll look great on my 60yd big screen. in reality both McFadden & Felix were drafted by Al Davis & Jerry Jones but neither has proved 1 thing worth 1st round pick so far. Wade says to Jerry, Hey did you see that kid from east carolina named Chris Johnson? he’s electric & looks to be a great football player that really wants to play for Dallas. Jerry tells Wade, umm yeah Wade about the RB situation we’ve already found our guy but thanks for the suggestion. in the meantime Jerry & Garrett are drooling over Felix Jones highlights alone & talking about great he’s going to be for the offense. moral of the story is Wades going to be the goat but in reality Jerry & Garrett are good buddies, like a lot of his old players.
how often do you see Aikman hanging around Jerry like say Emmitt or Irvin? how many times during the offseason do you see photos or pics of Aikman & Jerry at TC or apart of his circus like Irvin or Emmitt? Aikman knows what Jerry is all about & those concussions give him quick out against a huge mess that he knew was about to come. i think Stephen Jones & Aikman were great friends but i never hear a lot of praise from Aikman about Jerry.
Eye opener for me
While I wasn’t surprised to see the Cowboys roll over and play dead yesterday, I was very surprised to see D Ware get fooled 3 times yesterday (two MJD runs and the QB Boot).
One thing I thought I saw on the Jerrytron
Were the Jags holding our D-lines arms down? It looked like on many of the runs that sprung to the outside that the O-line wrapped their arms out and around our players. I have not had a chance to review the game again and do not know if I can stomach it but if someone saw something let me know.
Intentional? Padding Stats?
DWare always stays home and keeps contain when this team is competitive. From the way he was charging upfield, you would think he was trying to maximize his chances for getting sacks.
by JimmyJohnson on Nov 1, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
or maybe The Coach told him to
Considering the fact that Dallas hasn’t had much of a Pass rush the past few games….
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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Nov 2, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Jerry's statement is a tell all why?
the focus of the organization is not on winning. hear me out. yes, we like to win because its good for the team and the fans, but we don’t do things that lead to winning. our soul focus of hte organization is not on winning. it is about the fans. Jerry and the organization do everything for the fans. from the training camp kick off party, to hauling the players to SA, then to Dallas, then to CA to get the team closer to the fans and get to our fans. its all about the business, marketing and expanding popularity. its business decisions.
its about ppeasing the fans.
football, is about focus, do everything, forget everything else and focus on winning and winning only. no other team had as much fan fare opening their training camp. no one openly talked about going to the superbowl. that’s a no no. but us fans loved it. it created excitement. it brought fans to the practices. it sold tickets.
is it a surprise we were bad in pre-season? and now we see the results during the season. this team has quit, quit on themselves, quit on the coach and they are walking through, hoping it ends soon.
when parcells was here, he saw the lax environment, the party have fun atmosphere and he changed it. he made everyone walk on eggshells. he made them uncomoftable. when they won, he told them it wasn’t good enough. he wanted them to be better. in order to win it all, you have to be perfect.
players like Julius Jones and spears balked. they wanted to be unleasehed. they felt held back. now after 4 years, we saw that JJ sucked. spears is what we thought he was.
in order to get back to what we want, we have to focus on winning, the football team and football players. not the fans.
by CowboysFanatic on Nov 1, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Excellent post!
You have almost nailed it. My only disagreement is somewhat semantics but I think the priorirty is actually marketing the team not the fans. The fans just happen to be the audience the marketing efforts are targeted to.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
Don’t worry about me the fan, worry about building towards becoming great again. The fans will be there through thick and thin (the real ones at least). Jerseys, Caps, Shirts, and other memorabilia will be bought year in and year out. We will still tune in to watch these games and those who live in Texas and or have the money to do so, will show up to Cowboys Stadium. There’s no reason this team needs to have 2 training camps, honestly. Either practice in Oxnard for an entire TC or practice in San Antonio for the entire TC.
While my shoot from the hip reaction is to say the players quit, upon sleeping on this after watching the game last night, I’ve come to the conclusion that this team is emotionally, and mentally burned out from the extend TC and all the ground hog day like losses.
Phil Simms said it yesterday, teams with shattered confidence stop being physical really quickly in a game. I agree with him. You can see it in their eyes, they are waiting for things to go wrong now.
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
that's the point
the marketing and business aspects focus the organization on something different than winning. getting closer to the fans, mesuring the popularity, merchandise sales, fans, ticket sales, etc. leads down the wrong direction.
there should be one measuring stick. winning. when you do that then all other things you do and focus on, in the organization moves toward that one common goal. as you said, then cut the double trainign camp, grand opening for training camp, fan over involvement, etc.
by CowboysFanatic on Nov 1, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
So I heard the tuna was looking for a new job
want to be our GM ? LOL
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Or how about Dan reeves
Jerry says he is sorry, but talk is cheap, he should bring in a new GM now
He who laughs last, thinks slowest
Jerry will never fire himself
He might bring in a consultant, but Jerry will always make the final decisions, always.
In Romo we Trust
I think you are right.
And I also think that sucks
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I mean it sucks that Jerry will still be the football guy. It doesn't suck that you are right, nothing personal
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he cant live forever....and i am much younger than he is...
so at least i have that going for me….
i am just going to wait out phillips, barber, romo, jerry, davis, TNEW et al….
that’s all i have at this point…
Dan Reeves didn't get the job bc of Garrett
that BS clock story was just the excuse they used like when Brian Stewart didn’t want D.Capers looking over his shoulders & the Packers grabbed him.
Wade has tried to help this organization by adding Dan Reeves & D.Capers but scared assistants that can’t get the job done didn’t need any help lol.
Parcells wouldnt come within 100 miles of Dallas now..
Reeves I would reach out to and give him what he wants…wouldn’t hurt.
Reading between the lines from Phillips’ comments yesterday it sounds to me like he was almost asking to be fired. He can’t resign because he loses his buyout but he knows that things would be better for both he and team if he were fired. The team starts in a fresh direction and he gets his buyout.
you bet Phillips wants out of the BS.
he’s realized what Jimmy Johnson & Bill Parcells did. its not Wade’s fault this teams in the dumpster, he’s tried to bring in Reeves & Capers to clean things up. Garrett has to much authority & not enough brains to be in charge of things he is.
no real head coach is going to come to Dallas unless its the largest contract ever, control in the draft/personnel & some of the structure like how TC is run or practices, etc. Jerrys got it set up like a circus the way it is & its not all about winning around here.
Yeah, it cracks me up how the blind homers...
…automatically penciled in wins for us vs Jacksonville and Detroit.
That’s why I don’t believe in making those kind of predictions when looking at the schedule beforehand.
And btw, Detroit (despite only winning twice thus far) has played the good teams tough. They play physical football and give maximum effort. From the three games I’ve watched them play (loss to Green Bay, loss to Chicago, win vs Washington), I like their effort more than I do from our dumb-a** team this season.
I’m so god-d__n sick of seeing us shoot ourselves in the foot every game.
I’ll stick with my Boyz til the day I die (my love for them is that strong), but I’m also gonna call it like I see it.
Dallas Cowboys: America's Dumbest Team
I've been saying the Cowboys will lose to the Lions for the last 2 weeks
And I don’t think there’s been one person to disagree on this.
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
The Lions will beat us worse than the Jaguars did
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
for those who watched the game
Is the team maybe trying too hard to make a play? What I’m saying is the team playing tense instead of just having fun? Just wonder what a victory would do for the psyche of the team
by Perry the Platypus on Nov 1, 2010 10:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I doubt anyone is having a lot of fun.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
thats the point
The Titans were the same last year. When they finally won a game they started a 6 game win streak.Not saying its gonna happen but it has before.
by Perry the Platypus on Nov 1, 2010 10:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Perry....one big difference.....
Phillips couldnt hold Fisher’s jock.
Teams take on the mentality of their coach….these deadbeats will not rally behind Wade…
Same thing in 2002…everyone piped up about how much they loved Campo and wanted to play for him – but nobody would…….
lol
That’s true but would it really surprise you if the cowboys pulled a Texans and started playing better football in the second half of the year when they are mathematically eliminated and no longer have any pressure?
by Perry the Platypus on Nov 1, 2010 11:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
well Campo had to deal with a huge mess Jerry made
i don’t think anyone really blames Campo’s coaching that knows the truth about the situation he had to deal with. Jerry was screwed & Campo actually stuck it out, which is why Jerry didn’t mind having him back at Valley Ranch.
i dont know......
Felix having a pass go right off his gut….Roy and Miles hands of stone…leads to 3 INTs….
is that trying too hard?? i dont know…..just my guess but seems more like a lack of concentration….mind elsewhere….players have given up…
with exception of Dez Bryant…
Witten has been one handing passes all season long. He is not who he once was. May make it back, may not
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Can't blame Romo for his deflected interceptions now
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
I rarely blame any QB for an int that bounced off a receivers hands. Who does?
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Not going to name names, but there are posters on here who do
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
Tashard Choice looked like he was having a great time, actually.
He was laughing so hard I thought that he would fall over at one point.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 1, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Until maybe the second half of this past game I didn’t see a team that was failing for a lack of trying. I saw a team that was trying so hard not to fail that they were playing tense and making mistakes because of it.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
The thing that irritates me more
is the lack of effort. We have guys mocking the Boys in our own place. Chris Johnson celebrates in the end zone, right on the Dallas star a la TO. Same with Brandon Jacobs. Mike Sims Walker catches a TD pass, and does the Hook Em Horns sign. Yet nothing is done. I don’t know about anyone else, but that would piss me off big time if I were wearing a Dallas jersey.
can we sign George Teague at 39 for the rest of the season??
just to stop endzone and 50yd line celebrations??
i am being funny – but serious in a way….
season is gone but this team/organization cannot allow it to become a laughingstock….
season is gone but this team/organization cannot allow it to become a laughingstock…
Too late
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
well they could make Cowboys stadium an unpleasant place to play....
may not win a lot of games but make sure that opponents dont leave town smoking and joking….
and when was the last time you saw a fake punt, fake FG attempt?? why dont they shake things up a little?? absolutely nothing to lose….
A team has to give a crap to accomplish any of these things.
What makes you think any of these guys care anymore?
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
at this point
I’d love it if someone tried to celebrate like that again, and someone just Teague’d him into next week. Probably would be suspended, but at least someone would stand up for the star.
I'm begining to think another TO moment needs to happen again.
This team needs something to galvanize them and get them out of this funk.
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
i agree but thats how much most of these players wanted to play for Dallas or hate them
CJ2K wanted to play for Dallas really bad & he was Wades choice but Garrett & Jerry out voted him.
yeah its a lot of things we don't know going on at Valley Ranch
i heard about the CJ2K the week leading up to the game. Jerry put on a show for the Hard Knocks when discussing the decision to go with Felix with Garrett. the real story was Wade wanted them to draft CJ2K but they ignored him just like always…
i couldn’t care less about Wades job at this point & frankly i think he’s sick of all the BS that goes on behind closed doors at Jerrys billion dollar investment. he all but asked to be fired answering those questions in his presser the last game but Jerry knows the CBA might be an issue & doesn’t want to pay for another coach if he can’t insert his system/players with only a couple months.
just hope that CBA gets done soon or we could see another year of the same BS. Cowher is a name thats building steam with Dallas but nothing will happen until the CBA is done
They are the laughingstock of the NFL right now.
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I wouldnt take hiring a big name coach off the table
Everyone has said that the only way to go is to hire someone from within in order top maintain continuity. I look at a bit different. With the impending work stoppage coming, you have to plan that there will be no minicamps or OTAs. I dont believe that Training camp or the season is in jeopardy, but all the the offseason installation sessions are. That being said, perhaps a Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden may be willing to come in midseason to get a jump on installation for next year.
That would require CBS or ESPN to allow Cowher or Gruden to breach their contracts
We don’t know what kind of clauses those contracts have. My guess is, those contracts say damages for breach of contract will not be sought should they take a coaching job in the off-season.
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
If that were the only thing in the way
I think most TV networks would be reasonable and let them go. I don’t think that’s the issue that would prevent either of those 2 from coming.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Leaders of men do not admit the following in their post-game press conference
Wade said the following:
If I had the answers we would have already changed things by now. IE, our HC is admitting to the world he is out of excuses, reasons and answers to why he has failed this organization.
**************
When asked what happened on the 4th and 1 and why Kitna and Barber ran in to each other, his quote was,again, “I don’t know.”
**************
Leader of men? Nope, just a nice guy which noone cares about
I felt the same way
Frankly, I didn’t even watch much of the press conference. They had those on a highlight show and I turned the channel. The brief time I saw was really sad. I’ve never seen an NFL coach so literally beaten down. Seems like a great guy, I can’t help feel sorry for him.
by StillHateTheGiants on Nov 1, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
Here come the t-shirts
Wadested. Pretty funny. http://bit.ly/94Skv4
Where's McGee?
Let’s face it cowboy fans, the season is all but over at 1-6, 1-7 after visiting Green Bay next Sunday. Why not start Steven McGee and let him get some experience? The outcome couldn’t beany no worse than what is happening now!
Paul Pasqualoni for interim coach
He’s obviously got headcoaching experience and is one of the last remaining remnants of the Parcells era.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Paul or Ray Sherman are the only real choices.
but didn’t Paul get fired from Miami? if that was the case then Sherman might be the better choice bc Paul lacked something that didn’t deserve the promotion Miami give him to come there. if he can’t coordinate a defense or atleast the line then that be some of Dallas’s problems.
JoeD has enough on his hands trying to get the special teams going & juggling 2 jobs is the same experiment Wade just failed at. what kind of message does that send to the players? Garrett’s been learning on the job as an OC & hasn’t showed enough to keep his own job so thats a disaster waiting to happen.
Paul was fired as DC in Jan. 2010
And I knew that when I made the recommendation. At this point, I am just looking for someone to instill discipline and be a leader. I think he fits that bill. Perhaps I am just thinking backwards—just because Wade is a good DC, doesn’t make him fit to be HC. Maybe just because Paul is not a good DC, doesn’t make him unfit to be HC.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Okay I have completely changed my mind.
Yesterday I said that I understood why Jerry would keep Wade on (labor situation, etc.). Now that I have had a day to rue yesterday’s horrible performance though I think Wade has to go.
What convinced me is a few different points:
1) It shows everyone on the team that changes are coming and to prepare to audition.
2) We can get at least a glimpse of what JG would look like as a head coach and if he could squeeze anything out of a team that seems to have resigned itself to self-combustion.
3) Wade’s defense is so terrible scheme-wise and execution-wise at this point that I am more than fine going with Paul Pasqualoni as the coordinator. He was the coordinator for the Dolphins last year and although he got fired it couldn’t be terribly worse than what Wade is calling at this point.
4) I need something to hold on to with this team and Wade getting fired would at least finally represent that Jerry sees the errors in his organization.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
haven't you got a "glimpse' of Garrett as failing OC to know better?
what part of scoring points in the redzone do you like in Garretts scheme? the mental lapses from learning on job?
Garretts been handed every job he has & it just doesn’t work like that 99% of the time. Garretts scheme is flawed & some of its on the OL or QB but these players know what he’s about. you hear more of them sticking up for Wade then you hear for Garrett
Yeah.
Garrett’s stuff doesn’t work 99% of the time. Its amazing that that 1% had us at second in the league last year in yards gained. /sarcasm
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Garrett's offense is not the reason this team is where it is. This collapse goes squarely on the defense
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
How many points did the Redskins score in the opening game?
13. How many did we score? 7. We almost scored 14, but Garrett didn’t have the foresight to provide any kind of help for his penalty-prone tackle on the play. Garrett is as incapable of taking care of the details as Wade is.
Completely completely incorrect.
The play to score the game-winner against Washington had Barron matched on Orakpo, but Barron had help to the inside in Davis and Barber was there as well. Garrett had sufficiently helped Barron on the play, but Barron couldn’t help himself from holding.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Amazing how often this is forgotten in the rush to blame Garrett.
Barron never even attempted to make a legitimate block. And it’s not like he got juked and had to hold to save a sack. Orakpo came straight at him and Barron simply wrapped him up. He should have been cut before the team made it to the locker room after the game was over.
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Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
Barber released into the route
because he obviously opined like you did that Barron and Davis should have been enough to handle 1 LB. But, Barron only had help from Davis if he were successful in taking the outside away from Orakpo. Barron had no help to the outside. Garret was depending on Barron to cheat outside and force Orakpo inside. That is not what happened. Orakpo attacked the edge, off a wide set no less. Sufficient? Hardly.
Actually as a Tackle you want that
If the Defensive end/OLB takes the outside edge you stay inside and ride him out of the play. that is all Barron had to do, stay between Orakopo and Romo keep his hands inside, and use Orakopo’s speed against him. Basic O-line play 101
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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Nov 2, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
This year is totally on the defense in my opinion.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
I'm actually more optimistic about this team now than I have been in many, many years
1. This is the only kind of disaster that will (should) force Jerry to look himself in the mirror and make the change we’ve wanted for so long. It’s time to hire a true GM.
2. New head coach
3. Some seriously awesome draft picks
The time is now Jerry Jones. If you find it difficult to trust another man to handle all the Dallas Cowboys decisions, just take a step back and remember where your GM decisions have gotten this team. This is rock bottom Jerry. Make it happen.
Rock bottom
HAHA so true. You guys think we can organize a BTB and Cowboys fan intervention for Jerry?!
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
just stop going to the games and stop buying the merchandise....
this is one area where i hold the Dallas fans in high regard…
being in Toronto – no matter how bad the Leafs are….the tickets and stadium experience remains the most expensive in the NHL and nothing ever changes here and 40 years goes by without even a stanley cup appearance….
at least in Dallas people stop going to the games when the product on the field is garbage
Cowboys fans are a little more stubborn though.
The Rangers? The Stars? The Mavs? People will drop those teams like a bad habit when they suck. They are a little reluctant on the Boys though, because of their history and everybody loves them so much. But we have to do our part to force change, and that’s what we can do is stop giving Jerry our money until he pulls his head out of his ass and runs things the right way.
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couldn't agree more
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That's where I am too
Tank the season go 1-15 get that #1 draft pick force Jerry to change the culture of this place.
Maybe then we can have a new coach, a new staff, a new culture, and a new core group of players to build a superbowl contender around.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
What exactly will Andrew Luck do for us? QB is the least of our problems
How about Mark Ingram, we definitely could use a legitimate NFL RB who can consistently make plays. Spare me the following replies
a) but but but our OL sucks—>The Jacksonville Jaguars don’t have the world’s best offensive line and they tail whipped our front 7 the whole game. The New York Giants don’t have the world’s best offensive line and they beat us at the point of attack for most of that game. The Houston Texans for all their troubles against us, still managed to get Arian Foster 100+ rushing yards.The Texans aren’t world beaters on their offensive line. Additionally, look at the offensive lines of Oakland and San Francisco…they suck, yet they can run the football because they have good running backs.
b) but but but we have Felix Jones, and Barber was good in 07 and 08—>Felix Jones and Marian Barber couldn’t get the job done when their number was called yesterday against a very bad run defense that is the Jaguars. Felix and Barber had opportunities to make big plays in the running game and all too often they were hit immediately after crossing the line of scrimmage. Lets just call a spade a spade and accept reality.
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
HA if we spend a #1 pick on a RB we'll be the fools
half of his notoriety is his Heisman status.
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Current Kills: 2
I think we'll trade down to a low enough position to still allow ourselves to get Mark Ingram
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
I hope not
I’m not sure what our options will be as far as player positions in the top 5 but I hope there is an OL or DB available high.
In the past week or so, I've become convinced that drafting Luck
would be the the best thing for this team in terms of long term value. I’ve been following Rafe’s scouting reports on various players over on his site. He’s begun to make a very compelling case for drafting Luck. I like Romo, but I think Luck can be better. If we are practically going to be starting over with not just the OL, but the ILB’s, DL, and Safety’s, we should if given the chance just start at the top and create extra value for the team by trading Romo.
So the logic is
We have a good QB so let’s trade him to take a chance on an unproven QB because we have to rebuild the OL, ILBs, DL, and Safeties.
Why not trade the high pick, which would get you more picks and rebuild the areas that we need.
Maybe I'm still too optimistic
A new coaching staff, a good draft, and a coupe of FAs and we’re right back in this next year.
I'm starting to do a 180 with this whole thesis now
Maybe what we should do is draft Luck and use Romo as the Herschel Walker in a potential trade. This is not an indictment on Romo as it is an indictment on the present construction of the roster.
We have holes at Oline (2 guards, C, RT); RB (all 3 need to go); Corner (Replace TNew, Scandrick), Safety (both), Linebacker (both inside and outside (opposite Ware).
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
I don't see it quite that bad
I agree on the O-Line 2 Gs, C, RT. However, if we draft two of these needs in the first three rounds we can then bring in a FA (Mankin) and keep one holder over from this year (Kosier). Fix the rest after the 2011 season.
Draft a DB high in the draft either a corner or a safety.
We need to find out what we have in our current young safeties.
LB I think we find a FA inside and I hope Lee is the other.
I disagree on RB. Fix the line first and I think you’ll see we have plenty of RB talent.
we need a lot of help on offense & defense
on defense there about to lose Spears, Brooking, Sensabaugh, Ball, Scandrick & possibly Hatcher or Bowen, can’t keep them all.
on offense players like Barber, Davis, Colombo & possibly Roy, Hurd & Bennett are all but gone. hopefully if Roy goes he can drive up some kind of value (3rd/4th). Bennett hasn’t been that pass threat they drafted him to be & we already have 2 blocking TEs (Witten/Phillips). Felix, hasn’t had a break out season but MJD gets it done behind an awful OL & defenses know he’s running the ball. i’ll give Felix 1 more year to prove he’s worth a 1st round pick especially since Barber will be gone after this season. Choice looks like a decent RB with the eyeball test, he carried this team a couple years ago against some of the toughest defenses when Barber & Felix were out hurt a few games. hopefully they give him more carries next year or even this season bc Barber doesn’t look a bit intrested in the game.
In his interview yesterday
Jerry said everything is on the table, the only thing that’s NOT is him being owner. He’s willing to give up GM responsibilities, he essentially said this. This was in response to a question asked by Jen Floyd. I think Jerry knows he’s spread too thin now. His son will tell him the truth that you can’t schedule fights, international soccer matches, concerts, etc. and be the final say on player personnel.
"Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends."
by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Nov 1, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions
This season is in the crapper,
but it will effect ticket sales next year. I think Jerry’s nut is too big to just sit around and do nothing. He needs to at least look as if he’s making moves to improve the term. The fairweather fans will run away faster than rats on a burning ship. The Rangers have put a dent in the attendance and the Mavs will do the samething. Wade needs to go, if for no other reason than to get the fans attention.
Lock n Load
+1
Sometimes you have to change just to change. Do something… anything.
by Road Warrior on Nov 1, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Jones isn't making any changes. That's fine.
No coaching change means the team’s performance is unlikely to improve. Which means we are a lock for a top 5 pick and, if we truly suck, the top draft pick. That’s fine. In a season of abject failure and disaster, that’s an ok pay-off.
The way I look at this is that we’re already in the 2011 extended pre-season. Its time for us to test out personel and coaches. If we do that — instate Garrett as HC — it could lead to even more disastrous performances on Sunday or perhaps there would be some hope. If the team turns around under Garrett, then we probably have a coach for the next 3-5 years. If not, then we know we need new blood.
My own opinion (uninformed as it may be) is
that Garrett is more of a harda** than Wade. Just my impression.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Davis was benched, Gronkowski was inactive this week
Gronk was replaced by some guy that of waivers after he was cut during training camp.
On the other side of the ball Alan Ball gets every snap on the defense… Scandrick just sits back there with a bullseye painted on his chest…
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Truly, this is the Season of Jerry
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I think a change is coming VERY soon
Believing in it is another story altogether.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
All I have to say is, HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS!!!!!
Sorry guys, I just had to get it out of my system. That’s what I was thinking as I watched each successive Jaguars drive that went up and down the defense with little resistance.
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
Love Iron Mike's take
“I’m not going to sit here and bash the Cowboys. I think everybody’s done it. We’ve all done it on TV. I kept saying that maybe they’re underachieving, but I’m not sure. I look at the talent and I’m not sure that maybe the talent is as good as we thought it was. I think when you look at everything, we put some pieces in place with the receivers. Very good receiving corps, great quarterback. And then you start looking at how well does that offensive line block. How well does that defensive secondary cover? I mean, how really good are those linebackers outside of one or two guys? Ware is an outstanding football player. I think maybe we all overestimated their talent a little bit. So, I think it’s catching up with them. Plus, you know, the Dallas Cowboys whether you like it or don’t like it, whether you’re a fan or not a fan, they got a bull’s-eye on their chest. It’s always a little bit more pleasure for every team to go into Dallas or to beat the Dallas Cowboys…”
He also says you can’t lay all this on the coach…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
You can...and Jerry will!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
The other day...
I was watching Jim Rome and when he ripped Pitino for quiting in Atlanta…typically I think a guy should stick it out. However, Wade Philips is so done, it’s in the team’s best interest that he leave. If he were to quit I don’ think anyone would blame him, in fact. I’m pretty sure most people will think he did the right thing.
Wade aint going to quit.
If he quits he won’t get paid for the rest of the season. If Jerry fires him he gets paid. Remember Wade sued the Bills and their owner over him refusing to fire an asst. They said he quit and he said he was fired, Wade won.
Lock n Load
Wade won't literally quit
He may have quit in terms of coaching, but won’t quit in terms of contract. Jones will have to fire him.
So the Vikings can waive Moss almost overnight for conduct detrimental to the team...
but we can’t even bench or cut one significant player for what’s happened so far this season. On that note, do you think Jerry has made a call to Moss’ agent? (I hope not.)
Wade is a player's coach!
The players wouldn’t love Wade if he fired any of them. The players love getting paid millions of dollars and not having to work hard.
Being a Dallas Cowboys is a dream job! Perfect job security, everyone’s a millionaire, and you don’t have to work hard at all!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 1, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
If I were the new coach and knew this coming in,
I’d get rid of almost everybody and start over with a bunch of draft choices and hungry free agents. Trade whatever still has value and cut the rest.
Jimmy Johnson did exactly that when he came on board in 1989
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
It was a lot different in 1989.
No cap and the player money wasn’t near so big then. It’s not an option now.
Lock n Load
I agree with you, I was just pointing out that what LDV is advocating happened under Jimmy
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
It's easy to blame Jerry, Wade or whoever,
but the sad truth is the player are not performing. They had almost of the starters back and they all of a sudden can’t play. This goes deeper than just Jerry or Wade.
Lock n Load
It's not "all of a sudden".
The same things they are doing wrong this season they have done wrong since Wade got here. The difference is that now the talent has fallen to the level that it can’t overcome the things they consistently get wrong.
"Ok, post your favorite moment of the Tom Hicks era
Mine is today when he sold the team." - t ball
The way things are going right now, Cowboys will get a top 5 pick for sure
But what to do with that pick? If it was the #1 pick I would support getting Andrew Luck and shipping Romo out. Romo is not the problem at all, but this team has so many holes that it’ll take like 3-4 years for the team to contend again, replacing the crap that’s on the roster now and others that will fall over the next seasons. The ones that say Romo will still be elite for 5 years are dellusional. Tom Brady is already falling at 32 and he hasn’t nearly taken as much pounding as Romo has.
The problem is, we’ll most probably not get the 1st pick overall. We’d be underestimating the Bills ability to go winless. If the Cowboys can’t get Luck, I honestly don’t know what can be done at the top of the draft.
If they stay put, I’m all for going for Patrick Peterson since none of the other QBs strike me as Luck does. In that situation we would not be able to get picks (by trading Romo), then how would we adress the plethora of critical needs this team has? Cowboys need to have a bunch of picks in the top rounds. No more Robert Brewsters, Sam Youngs, Phil Costas, Deangelo Smiths, Michael Hamlins, Mike Mickens, Alan Balls please.
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
Sports, that is exactly what scares me about the future of this team...
No Luck and you begin rebuilding a team around Romo that probably won’t be in SuperBowl form until after Romo’s window closes.
Also, consider this. Without the No. 1 pick and the clear choice of Luck, will Jerry want to draft Peterson or will he start playing games with the pick to get more picks. And, how far will he drop in the first round and for what? Some OT? From what I am reading, the OL class in the 2011 draft isn’t going to be as distinctive as the 2010 class.
And, what difference is that OT going to make, unless Jerry also comes out of the draft with at least one ILB, one safety, one corner, one guard, one defensive end, etc. We are only going to have two picks in the top 40 and one or more of those picks may not give us an immediate starter.
Hey, at least now we know what we are dealing with, right?
damnit
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/11/1/1786508/cowboys-comedy-of-errors-continues
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
Reimbursement
Mr. Jones needs to reimburse me for all the Cowboys gear I brought in support of what I thought would be a Super Bowl run. It totals about $200.00. I’m embarassed to say that I’m a Cowboys fan right now. This is worse than the 1-15 team under a new coach so many good seasons ago.
Mr. Jones, reimburse me now!!!! I want my money back!!!!!!!
by cowboyfan_in_MN on Nov 2, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
Reimbursement
I want my money back and I want it now!!!!!!! Pass this on to Mr. Jones. He owes me $200.00 for all the gear I can’t wear in support of a crappy incarnation he calls a team.
by cowboyfan_in_MN on Nov 2, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
I told Jerry you want your money back.
He said people in hell want ice water, go fu(k yourself. I tried.
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