Cowboys Cut Jason Williams; Top Pick In 2009 Draft
And the hits just keep on coming. Not only has the 2010 season not played out well, but the 2009 Dallas Cowboys draft is turning into one to forget. Today, the Cowboys cut their top pick in the 2009 draft, third-round linebacker Jason Williams. If you remember, that was the draft when the Cowboys ended up with 12 picks. So far, basically two have contributed in a significant way.
Jason Williams was a supremely athletic linebacker who was supposed to use his physical gifts to help inside, backing up the two main starters, and hopefully one day stepping into a starter's role himself. It never panned out. Injuries, an inability to learn the defense, and middling play relegated Williams to a special-teamer. Even that wasn't good enough to keep him around
Aaron detailed the carnage that is turning out to be the 2009 draft class in a post a couple of weeks ago. That was written because the Cowboys had just cut their other third-round pick, lineman Robert Brewster (who has since ended up on the practice squad). And bunched in was the release of 2009 pick Mike Hamlin.
See the 2009 draft carnage details below...
Out of that 2009 draft, only John Phillips and David Buehler have contributed in a meaningful way. Victor Butler has had a few moments at outside linebacker along with special teams, and Stephen McGee and Brandon Williams have managed to hang on in backup roles.
Aaron's recap with updates:
Jason Williams - Was a special teamer and gets in some on nickel and dime packages.
Robert Brewster (PS) - The Cowboys brought him back to the practice squad. Seeing that they just invested a roster spot on OT Jeremy Parnell (plucked him from the Saints' practice squad), that could be all the project they want on the outside. We all know they're planning on drafting four offensive tackles in 2011 right?
Stephen McGee - He's kind of active every now and the,n when the team doesn't take advantage of that emergency-third quarterback rule. Looked pretty good at the end of the preseason.
Victor Butler - Special teamer and gets in on the rotation behind Anthony Spencer and DeMarcus Ware. Was all over the field in the preseason.
Brandon Williams - Always inactive. Probably just a number crunch thing but this guy turned heads in camp and is said to have a good pass-rushing burst.
DeAngelo Smith - Trivia question: Who did David Buehler beat in a footrace in the '09 camp? Yeah, this guy didn't make the cut that year. Don't think that race had anything to do with it.
Mike Hamlin - Whodathunkit? Was it the Matt Forte touchdown? The presence of Danny McCray and Barry Church?
David Buehler - After last season, Buehler arguably shared the '09 cool rookie crown with the team's later 6th-rounder. His booming touchbacks are not automatic anymore. His placekicking accuracy is still a work in progress.
Stephen Hodge - Put on IR, recovering from microfracture surgery. Is he an inside linebacker? Probably more than a safety. He could be one heckuva special teams guy.
John Phillips - On IR. Admit it. We all miss him. The TE/FB situation has been a turnstyle. He's likely the class of this class.
Mike Mickens -See "Deangelo Smith" minus the Buehler race thing and add that Mickens remained on the practice squad until the Bucs snagged him last November.
Manny Johnson (PS) - In his second-year on the practice squad. After seeing his buddy Holley get the call during his second year on the P-squad, Johnson has got to have some hope the team will someday do the same for him. It's a logjam at the wideout position right now. The Cowboys, though, love them some WRs on special teams units.
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Maybe they can stick him on the practice squad?
He could be...
the Cowboy version of James Harrison.
I'd be happy with that
This guy is the Stanback of our defense.
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
Carpenter was better than WIlliams by a mile...
I knew Williams was a bust, but I thought he would be around till the end of the season. Its almost certain now we will be drafting or looking to acquire a ILB to replace James or Brookings next year. I think both are gone to be honest so the only questions is who will be the starting ILB to play next to Lee next year.
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A few people in the organization Tuesday let it be known that Jason Williams was cut for a few reasons, and his poor attitude and dedication to get better were big reasons why.
Yes, Jason Williams is practice squad eligible but he’s not returning to this team. And from the sound of things, there won’t be too many people inside or outside of the locker room that will be missing him.
Carpenter was better than Williams...
but it still amazes me how you go out of your way to defend Carpenter. I am seriously thinking that you might actually be Bobby Carpenter.
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Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Oh and all that being said...
Kevin Burnett is better than Carpenter. If you want to make that dumb argument that he isn’t please do.
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Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Yeah I saw him the other day playing for the Chargers
and I literally put my face in my hand after seeing him look pretty good in the base package and their nickel packages.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Who here didn't know Burnett was pretty good?
I really liked the kid when he was in Dallas and I sure do miss him. He was a high character/ high motor type of guy that we should have kept.
He was ok, but injury prone...
He really hasnt done anything in SD to think we messed up by letting him go. I have a couple of die hard Charger friends that think he is just average and that pretty much sums up his time in Dallas.
Yup
Some fans here are missing him like they miss an old girlfriend. They’re only remembering the good and completely ignoring what prompted the break up. That said, he’d still be a a slight upgrade over what we’re working with now.
by Dezstroyer88 on Nov 3, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
umm injury prone?
i know he had a coulpe knee surgeries but i only recall him missing 2 games in his time here. Burnett was a great cover guy & should’ve stepped in the starting role next to James instead of the last 2 washed up players we signed.
he was capable of being a 3 down ILB & i would call that above “average” anytime.
What?....lol
You must have short term memory loss. He was always injured his time in Dallas. That was part of his undoing. He was good, not great in coverage and like the guys we have now couldnt get to the QB when asked to pass rush. Let’s be real her, Burnett was average and he isn’t much better in SD.
couldnt get to the QB when asked to pass rush.
if by that you mean top 20 in sacks, you are correct
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 3, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i’ll tell you what is an interesting question.
what philosophy led Dallas to let go of Burnett in favor or James/Zack/Brooking.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 3, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I get depressed thinking about that question
Kevin Burnett was my favorite player for the Cowboys during this last decade. I was always happy to see him out there for us, because he had great speed, and a desire to hit someone. That speaks alot compared to what we’ve seen at the position since and before. Depressing.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Nov 4, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
well because he was....it's ok to say Carpenter wasn't as bad as we thought...really...
Carpenter is a better nickel LB than anyone we have on the team right now…Even Wade said they haven’t found a replacement for him. Wade F’d up….he admitted as such. They thought Williams was the guy to replace Carpenter and he was dead wrong. Now we are paying for it in coverage as weve seen all season. Brookings and James can’t cover my Grandmother in coverage….
that only explains your man crush on Carpenter
it doesn’t explain the philosophy which led Dallas to let Burnett go for a washed up Zack Thomas or a bust in Barbie Carpenter.
seriously Carpenter was suppose to be suited for the “4-3” & he got cut from the Rams, i never saw anything from Carpenter in a 3-4 or 4-3 except a big fat bust.
Man Crush?...lol
You say that when yout bring up an average LB that hasn’t played here in 4 years…LMAO!!!..You act like we let go of Lawerence Taylor…
I don't believe that Stingah
You know why? Go look at his college highlights. He was a pass rusher for crying out loud! Why would Wade even draft this guy, then not make him an OLB? It was a project. He may have turned out to be a great pass rusher for us. I don’t have faith in the coaching staff’s evaluation of players. I hate the way our Offensive players are evaluated too, and our defvense was pretty good up until this year, so they made a couple of reaches and mistakes, but to cut him? wow- I’m not convinced that Spencer is above average as a pass rusher. This could be a mistake. It’s almost like they are saying about this player “we drafted you to be an inside linebacker, and since you can’t play up to par, we’ll get rid of you”. Never would they question whether the player was in the right position or not (heaven forbid the coaches are wrong).
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
agree
when he was drafted i thought he was going to play OLB,i think he should play OLB… for now i think it’s a bad move, better let him hit the field and embarass his self before cutting him, i would be so pissed if he goes to other team and ends being a decent player, hopefully they are bringing him to PS
watch another team with smarter coaches
sign Jason Williams, use him right, and get more production out of him than our dumb-ass team.
It’s amazing how stupidity has run amok in this organization…from the front office to the coaching staff to the players.
It’s like a disease, and there’s no cure in sight.
Dallas Cowboys: America's Dumbest Team
Strong Words
And you might well be correct. Look at how Pat McQuistan is doing for Miami, for starters.
I would not be surprised
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
I believe he could have been great for us if coached up proper.
I rememeber the preseason safety he had in 2009 where he looked like he got shot out of a cannon. I was also surprised when he wasn’t an OLB.
It all starts at the top.
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
" I don’t have faith in the coaching staff’s evaluation of players. "
I agree and that is one big reason we are where we are.
J.Williams playing OLB in a 3-4?
i just can’t see JWill taking on 300+ OL with much success. i think his best bet was playing ILB but he couldn’t cover & it was obvious his football IQ wasn’t great when he couldn’t even play special teams.
i’m sure they checked him out enough to know he wasn’t worth keeping around on the 53 man roster. i think he was a big part of some of the break downs in special teams which led to some big returns, especially in that Titans game. add in a bad attitude & its time to go..
i wonder if this mean Dallas put in waiver claim for Ligths Out Merriman?
Wait a minute DC
I was never saying or writing that he should have been picked or not. All I am saying is he was always, in college, a LBer that rushed the QB. If you are drafting him for anything else, it’s a chance and a risk. He never did in college what we asked himt to do at ILB. It was a reach as a pick, and whoever is in charge of that kind of decisions for the draft should be scrutinized. Jason Williams is not at fault for that. Sure, he may be no good for what we want to use him for, but that does not mean he is not a football player.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
yea
they need to hit on that pick and the high second….Extreamly important draft comming up
does anyone trust this organisation to draft the right guy?.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 2, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
and the third and the
fourth and so on..
I bet he trades down our out of the 1st round
"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden
Did anyone think this draft was any good?
Let me go look at historical threads…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'm proud to say
I knew it was a dud that day – esp. when we took a guy who was projected in the 6th who hadn’t even gotten a combine invite as our 1st pick.
there is still hope for the remaining draftees
I think Buehler will eventually be okay, McGee has strong potential as a back up, I like Butler a lot, think he’s a keeper, Williams is caught in numbers crunch at OLB but has potential and we all know Phillips is a keeper.
Parcells used to say if you can get 4 or 5 good players from every draft, thats a success, well I still think there’s hope for this class based on the players I’ve mentioned.
In Romo we Trust
I love your optimism
But I disagree wholeheartedly. This one will be putrid once all is said and done.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
i disagree other then J.Phillips or maybe Butler its a disaster
Buehler can’t even kick a touchback & his accuracy is way to inconsistent. i hope he figures it out bc i hate wasting draft picks on kickers. Folk is back to his old form with the Jets…
there should be room for B.Williams if he can play ST or contribute on the field with JWill gone. i wonder if they really put in a claim for Merriman…
do you even watch the games?
Can’t kick a touchback?? Seriously?? Dude, half his kicks are touchbacks and he has improved his accuracy since the season started.
Way too early to pass judgment on this group as a whole, they get a pass for at least one more year.
In Romo we Trust
6 of 33 KOs this year are touchbacks
Dude, what do you consider half?
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 3, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
So the 2009 draft nets a backup qb, a kicker, a backup TE, and some LBs that can't get on the field. Where are you seeing 4 or 5 good players out of that mess?
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I never said this draft would be good...
but time and time again I said we can’t evaluate it till a couple years down the line.
With Brewster and WIlliams on the PS, I think its fair to say this draft was a bust.
I still think Buehler could be ok, maybe we’ve solved that position. Victor Butler has looked good.
But a backup olb and a kicker makes for a pretty crappy draft.
That draft was probably one of the worst we’ve had in the last 10 years.
I don't agree with this move Blings
It doesn’t send the right message to the players- at least the players we want to get through to. I hope Jason Williams doesn’t come back to haunt us.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
Sounds like he didn't have the football smarts Wade needed to see
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You know Blings
I don’t know how much stock I’d put into that anymore. The guy might not be good enough to play ILB, but I never viewed him as a ILB. Every clip I ever saw of him in college, he was mainly a pass rusher, and a pretty good one too.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
i never viewed him as a pass rusher
it might’ve worked in college but a 300 lb man would slap him around IMO
One of our 300 lb Offensive linemen?
You do know that alot of 300 lb linemen sit there and don’t very much- just look at our Oline DC.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
The main thing I remember being excited about was Bueller. I just liked the pick. Can't
remember what I felt about the rest, to be honest. I suppose that’s indicative of something or other: either selective amnesia or a sense that it was a nondescript draft class.
exactly blings,
what other team has drafted for ST’s ?.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 2, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen brother
This started a firestorm when I railed against it days after the draft.
Sadly, I get no joy in being vindicated. I’m sick to my friggin’ stomach!
But come on, you cannot always say, “I think the Dallas brass knows more than you” or “I trust them to make the right picks”
Blah Blah Blah
You don’t have to be an NFL personnel guy to know that you draft for the future, not to replace the bottom of your roster.
The funny part?
Go look at all of the mock drafts on BTB leading up to that draft and then see how close people got. It’s hilarious.
If this isn’t an indictment of Ciskowski, what is?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Money comment...
…right there, Blings:
Go look at all of the mock drafts on BTB leading up to that draft and then see how close people got. It’s hilarious.
If this isn’t an indictment of Ciskowski, what is?
I’ll admit. I was in a wait and see mode with Ciskowski—and I hoped for the best.
But the releasing of the players selected in that draft does indeed speak volumes.
Dallas Cowboys: America's Dumbest Team
What did I feel like when they drafted Jason Williams?
I was hopeful, but it was a strange feeling, like they were drafting a LB because you just do I guess when you are a 3-4 team. I was mostly trying to get the best feeling I could about the draft after seeing the Cowboys loose they’re shot to pick Max Unger, and then just trade out of the 2nd round altogether, only to come out with this pick. But if you pick him at that spot in the draft, why to make him play a position he is not accustomed to? just who is in charge of a decision like that?
But taking what alot of people consider a pass rusher and make him play the pass? I think this team is prone to “projects” at certain positions for some reason. Free safety is another position that they do “projects” than just go out and draft one.
I mean, I responded to a post earlier to Creasy that he thought we were going to draft Morgan Burnett, and I agreed with him about that draft, cause It’s truly what I thought they were going to do. Instead, Sean Lee. I mean, I see now what a weak position ILB is, but, I also mentioned Kevin Burnett earlier, and alot of people started talking about him alot, and were generally depressed, because I originally wrote “if you really cared about the position, you would’nt have let Kevin Burnett go”, and alot of people were writing about how depressed they were just thinking about his name, and what he did for this defense. Someone even wrote about a good play he made for the Chargers.
But I mean, what is the thinking here? Get rid of a veteran at a position where he is playing pretty solid football, and become weak there, and start looking at projects after the Barbie fiasco?
Three words Blings- Failure, failure, failure
Failure with Kevin Burnett, Bobby Carpenter, and now Jason Williams. How are Keith Brooking and Bradie James doing?
Whoever is in charge of player decisions for the Cowboys should be fired immediately! Get rid of this cancer please!
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
Was he in charge
When we traded the Stephen jackson pick to St. Louis and moved back to pick Julius? I swear, I vomit every time I see Stephen Jackson because of our diseased thinking about players and drafts going back as far as then.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
It's ludicrous
That many misses on backs and Loadholt, Unger and God knows how many more is exacttly why we are where we are. Selling the cow for Roy. Whiffing on every lineman with the exception of Free for years and doing nothing but Coplumbo and Davis. That was how many years ago that we got those two?
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
We haven't missed out
on Tashard. he is chomping at the bit to get some playing time. I can tell that when he get’s his touches, and get’s out there, he will be hungry to prove himself to this team.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Nov 2, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The signs were there last year Stingah
Remember in the Carolina game last year, where Felix and MB3 could do nothing, and the offense was stagnant, and it was looking like another ho-hum performance.
But then Tashard had a couple of great runs- one almost for a touchdown. The whole crowd erupted, and everyone just knew that the Cowboys were going to start playing better on offense.
That’s what the run offense is supposed to do- not be used as a filler between your 100 passes with running backs that are situational.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Nov 2, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
How about
Patrick Crayton? Kevin Burnett? Bobby Carpenter? I mean, the bad decisions are so endless it’s staggering!
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Nov 2, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Loadholt
blows. All I read about him this year is crap. He’s a fraud.
Now Sebastian Vollmer is a different story.
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
Someone was big on Vollmer before the draft
…maybe Quincyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I liked Vollmer a lot
Pretty sure QuincyyyyyyyyLissyyyyyyy did too, amongst others
by Dezstroyer88 on Nov 3, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
No, Tuna made that call
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
There's your accountability
Hopefully this might get the attention of some of the younger players.
In Romo we Trust
you think this is accountability
we need to get the attention of the established players.
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
yep I agree
This move does not show me much at all..He stinks anyway
this isn't going to help with accountability at all......
they pretty much knew he was bad already. Like Switzer said, we need the established players attention to really shake them up. If this is Wade’s way of waking guys up, then this is very weak.
can't cut players with huge salaries yet
Gotta wait until the off season to do that
In Romo we Trust
I don't mean cut em necessarily......
but you can bench them
on second thought.......
if you really want to get your point across cut someone IF, he’s really not doing his job. So what’s to be afraid of-hurting someone’s feelings?
most of backups are garbage
If Wade starts doing that, things are going to start getting really ugly.
In Romo we Trust
"start getting really ugly"
I think we might be past that stage.
When Jacksonville puts up 35 on you and you’ve won one game, kind of hard to get worse.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
+1.......
I’m talking about benching starters that aren’t performing. Just to get your point across. How about cutting one of them? They need to get the message that this is serious.
I'm saying pick out one or two a game......
What’s it gonna hurt? Just to get your point across. I think I might start with benching Spencer and putting in Butler?
No way
Bench Brooking and start Lee. Let’s see what we have there.
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
yeah I thought of that too......
I’m tired of seeing the back of 51 trailing guys arent you?
Yep
He was a great player, was a good guy to have on the team last year, but he’s SO slow.
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Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Yep
And not even that good on running downs judging by MJD’s performance.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Hate to admit it
But a third of MJD’s yards came on two plays. The fault of those plays lies with Ware overpursuing. Not saying Brooking is great, but he has been ok at plugging rushing lanes.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
No
He’s not good in anything right now. He trails in every freaking play. Can’t hit gaps if his life depended on it.
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
does he still do that bs rant at the start of games
who follows a leader who sucks?
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
True that
Leaders must prove physically or whatever they say means nothin.
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
same goes for Barber.......
he picks up a first down and comes unglued. How about just going back to the huddle. I used to like it, but it’s grown old
actually your line of thinking is what is wrong with the Cowboys....
nobody is afraid of losing their jobs. They are not afraid of Wade or Jerry. That’s when somebody has to step up to the plate and make them be afraid
but aren't you worried about the season getting ugly
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Not me, it is all sunshine and butterflies from here on out
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it's already ugly........
Jerry should be giving refunds to all the people that forked down big bucks for his season tickets. This is the season that everyone who hates the Cowboys (basically 31 other teams) is going to pile it on.
I was jesting
only a casual fan wouldn’t realize that
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
oh I knew that..........
but what do I know, I’m just a casual fan that doesn’t know much right? haha
In sports it's buyer beware.
People that bought Ranger season tickets got their moneys worth.
Lock n Load
yep......
Jerry got so excited about the Super Bowl coming to Dallas, that he just ass-umed that we would be in it. Sad part, he conned everyone else into believing it too.
He's going have to make a splash
with the next HC. That’s why I think he will hire a coach with a SB ring. His nut is huge and he has to sell tickets somehow.Doing it with smoke and mirrors has gotten old.
Lock n Load
thinking back on it.........
somebody planted the idea in our heads that these players are so “talented”. Think about it-these are the same players that drove Parcells away too. Pretty masterful who ever conned us in to thinking that they were talented when in reality they are just a bunch of dumb players that can’t get out of their own way. I seriously doubt that really good coach could do anything with this bunch
thats one game
If you start playing backups, they’re all be blowouts of that magnitude.
In Romo we Trust
but if you are developing some younger talent it may be worth it
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone is afraid that we will draft
Andrew Luck and trade Romo.
Wouldn't you be
Jerry likes shiny things, I don’t care if everyone thinks he’s the next Peyton Manning, they though Sam Bradford was last year and a few years back JaMarcus Russell, and before that Alex Smith?
You don’t trade a proven franchise player for a rookie QB
Troll Hunter
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I don't think anybody really thought JaMarcus Russell was going to be like Peyton Manning.
Sam Bradford looks to be having a fine rookie season for the Rams.
but
you do trade a proven franchise player for a whole mess of opportunities.
Romo will be in his mid-30s when this crap storm blows over and his window will be close. Best to get his replacement, trade Romo for talent, play Kitna for one year and start his replacement.
It hastens a better all around program, doesn’t slow it down.
If you’re a bigger fan of Romo than you are of the Cowboys, then it may be a bitter pill to swallow. But having Romo surrounded by a shi&&y team is pointless. Trade him, get him to a contender, and bring in value.
this team doesn't need blown up
bring in a new coaching staff, OL and safeties and this team can definitely contend for the next several years with Romo.
In Romo we Trust
That's a lot of guys.
It could take a few years to acquire them all, even if there are no further mistakes.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 3, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Optimistically 1 or 2 years
If in 2011 we do the following:
Draft
2 OL
1 DB
FA
1 OL
1 DB
1 ILB
I think we are back in business
Yeah, but...
It’s extremely unlikely that all of those guys hit.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 3, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
Sam Bradford looks more than great. I don’t see your point on bringing him up.
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
I'm saying that they say Peyton Manning Every Year
Why is Andrew Luck more special than Bradford, Smith, Russell etc etc etc. That’s the comparison they use for first draft picks every year. I’m saying let’s take the Manning comparison with a grain of salt
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Current Kills: 2
exactly
It blows my mind that some fans are willing to risk everything on an unproven college player when they already have a great proven NFL player.
Makes no sense to me.
In Romo we Trust
Only 1 thing makes it plausible
Romo is getting older. He may have 2-3 prime years left. But after 34, most QB’s hit a serious decline. We probably need somebody in place to eventually replace him.
I also think it is a nod to the idea that nothing on this team is sacred. If the whole DNA is corrupt, we need to blow the whole thing up – which means Romo / Ware / Austin aren’t safe.
by JimmyJohnson on Nov 3, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Romo is entering his prime years as a qb
You can’t attribute chronological age to him like other players because he didn’t start playing until he was 25 so in terms of NFL wear and tear, he has very little as a qb.
Romo will still be playing at a high level in his mid 30s as a result.
In Romo we Trust
And Dallas sure doesn't need to spend a top 5 pick on a player
that can’t get on the field.
Lock n Load
You can’t attribute chronological age to him
Romo is one of the Elves from the Lord of the Rings. Never Aging even though thousands of years pass.
I just hope he realizes that the point of the NFL is to get the ring, not destroy one
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romo is so special
that chronological time doesn’t apply.
fascinating, terry.
fascinating
I think what he was saying
is that the wear and tear on his body will be less than a QB who started in the leauge at 21 because of how late he started. Makes sense to me
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well not to cause a fight.........
Staubach didn’t come out until he was 28 yrs. old. He lasted 8 yrs. because of concussions.
Staubach played for Dallas 11 years.
He joined the team in 1969 and retired after the 1979 season
Lock n Load
not trying to be a know-it-all.....
http://www.famoustexans.com/rogerstaubach.htm
My point that I was trying to make was when he got into his 30’s he starting having concussions etc. If he had come out earlier in his career no telling what kind of numbers he would have put up. You are correct that he joined the team in 69 but he didn’t start until 71
I understand that, but a guy in his thirties is a guy in his thirties, and given the way the guy has been running for his life lately, I am not sure how much wear and tear has been saved
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Proven in what sense?
That he puts up good numbers every year? So, did Warren Moon. It may not be in Romo’s football DNA to do much else. We may have already seen how good it gets with Romo. Years ago, I felt the same way about Danny White. In all fairness to Danny, he had much more success than Romo has in the playoffs.
Yeah, realized that after I posted it.
White > Romo
Moon > Romo
I don't think anyone is saying to bench the entire team.
But I don’t think there would be a problem with putting in guys like Sean Lee and Tashard Choice or Barry Church.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
exactly...,...
I meant how about using a token to get your point across?
I'd even like to see Sam Young
Come in for a series or two in the 3rd or 4th quarters to get some experience once the DEs are a little winded.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to see that!
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
really
so just letting worthless vets like Brooking block out players like Lee is better for the long term?
I find it stunning that you see no value in developing the younger talent, and finding out who can contribute next year and beyond.
Anyone else with me on this?
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Terry is the only guy doesn't have that line of thinking right now
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
Uh...
We HAVE been blown out the last two(really, 3) weeks, have looked absolutely ineffective, and there is no hope in saving the season. Why again should we play broken and slow veterans who aren’t going to be back with the team next year(Brooking and Barber, for starters) instead of seeing what we have with youth(Lee and Choice) to see if they are worth keeping around.
No one is saying bench every starter, so stop playing like we are.
I agree on that!
Make some waves and drop both safeties immediately, along with Igor. Stick Lee in there if he is cleared from his concussion.
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
Sounds like he was sent to the Sick Field
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
That hurt...
for a minute just thinking about having a coach like that again…sigh
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
when they cut a vet,
then i will believe that statement…
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"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 2, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
word
cut Gerald Sensabaugh Keith Brooking Leonard Davis
that would send a message
by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
i would cut the 3 of them,
we are going 1-15 maybe 2-14.
so we are’nt going to lose anything by cutting them now.
hate to say that cause i had us going 12-4,more fool me.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 2, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You realize if you cut Leonard Davis you literally have ONE guard left (starters and backups), and that one was the backup center
You would likely have to bring up Brewster again just to have enough players to have 5 OL. The guys we have left at backup OL are Jeremy Purnell, Sam Young, and Robert Brewster. All of them are tackles, though Brewster might be acceptable at guard.
it's the older players that are killing us.
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"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 2, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the lack of good young players
that are forcing the older players to stick around.
2006, 2007, and 2009 drafts gutted this team.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
who's the GM?.
He controls the drafts,we have drafted big time “merde” his fault.
that’s why the coaches are still here.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 2, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
the player has shown nothing....
no surprise..hopefully this is just the start of the cleansing process
Why did you fool me?
You were so good your rookie season. Remember when Woodson interviewed you about taking over his old “Star” position in the backfield. You had it all – speed, cover skills, and a fearsome hitter. What did you do with yourself Scandrick? Where has the 2008 Scandrick gone?
Anyone here at all feel that a move to safety could help save his career?
I know we’re all tired of the failed Corner to Safety experiments and that he’s undersized. But could it be a good move?
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
well, he couldn't be any worse than Ball......
the only time you see Ball on the screen is when you see him chasing someone down from behind. You can clearly see his numbers on his jersey-not a good sign
Ball is not coming back to the starting lineup
Ever again. That is a given.
Church will start next week, but it doesn’t really make me feel any better. Perhaps he’ll be 1 percent better, like not being a liabitly against the run.
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
I'd love to see more Church
let him make mistakes. Ball is making all kinds of mistakes but never learns. Church may make the same number of mistakes as Ball, but he’s a rookie and should learn. If he can get a little better game-to-game he might have the light come on for his sophmore season.
Or not and we’ll know what we have with him and draft a new safety.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I also think Church would actually be really good at linebacker.
He’s got experience as both in College and he can read and react to run plays really well; and his coverage skills are actually better than any linebacker we currently have.
I want Akwasi at FS, he’s got pretty good ball skills and will help the zone defense with his ability to get after the ball (just look at his interception against Miami).
He's too small for linebacker
Like 30lbs undersized.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 3, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
does it really matter for nickel LB situations though
basically you are just putting in another DB for an LB to cover. Bill Bates played nickel LB as a safety
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 3, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Like all the safeties we've had over the last 10 years or so
I think Church is nothing more than a stop-gap. We need to stop kidding ourselves thinking we’ll get a good starting safety with 6th, 7th rounders or UDFAs.
Cowboys need a star back there.
Troller formerly know as Cowboysaficionado.
We do put a lot of faith around here on...
late-round draft choices and UDFA’s. Maybe from here on out we should stop expecting UDFA’s to be as good as first or even second rounders. If we haven’t been burnt by the late-rounders and UDFA’s completely, they sure have disappointed us in other ways.
do you have "scapegoats" in the states?,
sounds like we are taking the easy options here.
we are a screwed up organisation. :(
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"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 2, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You can only fill so many positions in one off-season
Needs: 3 O-line, 2 ILB, 2 safeties, 1 corner, who knows how many D-line.
Someone’s going to have to play safety or O-line for us. If you’re saying we can’t play UDFAs and late-round draft picks then how are we going to fill 8-10 positions next year?
Someone has to play.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
the reason we hit on so many UDFA's or late rounds
is bc our scouting department sucks at evaluating talent & were left no other choice.
Jerry is part of the blame also, he sees something then decides to reach for it to early.
i suggested the same the other day...
We need to see if he can play at Safety
At this point I am up for anything.
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
I think all our players are regressing under the current regime.
Hard to evaluate talent in this context.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Who loses their job(s) for this draft?
Should have just put it on autopick like you can do in a fantasy draft
Well that's just awesome.
Move him to the practice squad and try to actual get him to play as an OLB (which he probably should have been developed for anyways).
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Let's just hpe they are not making room for Randy Moss
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
That was my first thought when I saw this thread.
i really hope not!
Would you make a claim for a 3rd stringer cut by the Bills?
That’s right. That’s who we are in the NFL right now. The Bills.
Oh, the shame. Oh, the horror.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 2, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the bills would beat us badly
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
yea they would
At least they play with some heart and energy unlike our team who could careless….
And look how good the Lion's D-line is now.
Oh man, it sucks that Detroit is gonna kill us.
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by fan since '65 on Nov 2, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he should make it thru waivers
Then he goes to the practice squad. I’m about to call this draft the dirty dozen (but for the wrong reasons)
yea
Thank god for Victor Butler…He is the only player who looks like might have a good future ahead of him…
Why don't we sign Myron Rolle off TN's Practice Squad
At a minimum, we know he is a smart kid and a hard hitter. That puts him head & shoulders above Sensibaugh to start with. And he has to be more physically gifted than Church and McCray. Throw him in the mix with those guys and see how he does.
Plus...
he is a Rhodes Scholar…he has the brains to be capable safety…at least I hope he does.
Not a bad idea.
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by fan since '65 on Nov 2, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
wait... Rolle is on their Practice Squad????
someone give me the scoop, anyone friendly with the Titans bloggers?
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Lets not get crazy...
He’s not good. He’s smart, but he isn’t good.
He’s not fast enough and he’s on a practice squad for a reason.
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Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Wade's Pet Cat gets the knife
Hopefully our next head coach will have better taste in inside linebackers.
Yeah that was such a crazy pick.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
it was a typical combine/pro day pick
Can’t get caught up with all the workouts and computer numbers or this is the result most of the time.
In Romo we Trust
we seem to reach for raw talent too often
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
So that means we are the Raiders
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
And that's because we have an owner...
…who’s more concerned about making a splash and looking like a genius on draft day rather than simply selecting the pick that’s right for this team.
it’s a direct reflection of our idiot owner.
whoops.
let me correct that.
he’s a brilliant businessman.
but he’s an idiot personnel guy (with more career misses than hits).
Dallas Cowboys: America's Dumbest Team
From ESPN article
“There was internal discussion about releasing Williams after training camp. However, Wade Phillips fought to keep the linebacker he lobbied to pick in the third round.”
Maybe this is the beginning of Wade being left out of the decisions at Valley Ranch.
Here I'll fix that for you...
Maybe this is the beginning of Wade being left out of the decisions Valley Ranch.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
he has to be feeling a little like Fredo right now
or Tom Hagen when he was dumped as consigliori
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Terry,
why do you or anyone think that there is anything worth fighting for this season? It’s over. Admit it. If I’m a coach on this team, I throw all abandon to the wind. If someone is giving half assed effort, pull him! I don’t care how sorry the back up is. We are getting killed with these “starters” in there now; what’s the point of leaving them in. It’s over, fellas. Preseason 2011 (or 2012) began after the Minnesota game.
Yeah, I agree. Find out what you have sitting on the bench and clean house
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I give Phillips 2 more games
If we go on and lose the next 2 games I don’t see how Jerry doesn’t fire Wade.
i think 2 is a stretch...
He needs to can wade…put in Garrett and ride out this year….
Let's skip putting Jason in charge of anything- he can't run the offense let alone the team.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
The offense is actually ranked 8th in yards gained this year despite having virtually no running game due to our linemen.
Per OCC’s last update we’re also 7th in red zone TD percentage this year.
Just sayin’.
Aren't those numbers meaningless,
when you aren’t winning? Plus, haven’t there been games when we really haven’t moved the ball well at all until the other team goes prevent on us?
And with these
Current idiots running the show, what is it you think they will do with the first pick? I hope they won’t be in charge of any more decisions, because they (whomever is responsible for player decisions) have killed us.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
why?
what’s the point? 1-8 is somehow worse than 1-6? This team CAN NOT WIN. It can not win last week, it can not win next week. Firing the coach is just one of 100 things that could be done, but will not affect anything substantively.
If you’re doing it to be vindictive, then… I guess I you’d get some satisfaction from Wade being fired… but other than that, there’s no good reason. Unless Jerry is afraid that he won’t sell seats with Philips as a head coach.
Also, if you’re uncomfortable with a 1-8 record, firing the coaching staff ENSURES more losing, it doesn’t avert it.
If Wade gets fired in-season, I wouldn't see it as a football move
It certainly doesn’t make us any better on the field. It could be Jerry trying to show the fanbase that he’s willing to change, or it could simply put Wade out of his misery. It can’t be a good feeling to watch a game like last week’s, and know that you’ve totally lost the team, but its so early in the season you’ve got months of torture ahead. Wade’s humiliation has already happened, I don’t see him getting fired as any more insulting.
I want us to do whatever it takes to keep losing...
I am tired of the mediocrity and of trying to turn junk (i.e., late-rounders and UDFA’s) into treasure (1st rounders). We’ve been exposed. We don’t have half the talent people say we do. Some of the talent we do have has reliability issues, that have let us down at the worst times. This organization desperately needs the first pick in the draft.
We will lose the next two games.
On the road in Green Bay and then off to New York…lawd have mercy!
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
Terry will never take off the blue and silver colored glasses
There is no face left to save. It’s over. Put young guys in and see who are willing to fight. I would draft any and all players with the first pick outside of WR and TE. Any other position needs help INCLUDING QB. Let’s get him if we can. If he tears it up in the preseason, trade Romo for a 1st and a 2nd.
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by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Nov 2, 2010 4:32 PM CDT reply actions
It doesn't work like that and you know it
Last thing we need with this is to Couch Andrew Luck. Let’s actually lobby our draft pick for lots of lower picks.
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That's how we ended up with Jason Williams.
by Baked Potato Soup on Nov 2, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
If we even entertain the idea of Jerry trading down in the draft...
it is going to be painful for everyone.
The Cowboys are playing like that Snickerscommercial with Betty White
Wonder if she can play ILB
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
LMAO
Dude, it’s embarassing the way they are playing D right now
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
The 09 draft was a bust.
It will hurt Dallas for years to come, no players to develop. These kind of mistakes are why Dallas is not a top team anymore, like NE and Pit.
Lock n Load
we didn't get much out of 2006 either
and for 2008, Felix and Bennett are just role players right now.
Surprise – we have a talent deficit, and very little young talent in the pipeline
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
ding ding..we have a winner.
one bad draft hurts for 4 years.
no players come through and back to square one.
“the shame”
we rock in stupidity. :(
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Nov 2, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Tear down the house
And rebuild weith a strong foundation.
Is using our players effectively as difficult as picking the winning lotto numbers?
In defense of Terry,
JJ is the trump card in the reality side of all of our musings. If decides to sign JaMarcus Russell and dump Romo, what we want/think doesn’t matter. My point is, I am willing to bet that most of what we see posted on this blog has probably at least been considered by better football minds inside Valley Ranch. But with the Arkansas wizard in total ego overload, none of it will come to pass.
Pulling a Costanza.
"Only the strong survive, but the strong still get their ass whipped." -Nick Saban
That "better football minds inside Valley Ranch" thing.....
Ummmmmm…. what?
"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders
"What the hell is goin ON out here?!" - Lombardi
What's so bad about Butler?
Everyone always says that he hasn’t done much and when they ask about this draft class it always goes back to Philips (training camp hero/IR) and Buehler.
Since Butler came in to the league he has 4 sacks and a pair of forced fumbles on a handful of plays. I think that’s significant enough for someone spelling Ware and Spencer. Seems like everytime I hear his name it is as if he is in the same light as Bobby Carpenter.
I think he needs to see the field more
now is the time to find out what we have with certain guys.
I still don’t know what to make of Bennett, but I want to see more of him to figure it out.
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 2, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Bench Spencer who is also underachieving
Start Butler, see what you got
There's some positions that "media types" can't evaluate AT ALL
linebacker and O-line are positions that media-types have a hard time understanding. Last year every member of the Dallas media said Leonard Davis was our best O-linemen. Even now they are amazed he fell from “pro-bowl to bust” in one year. Except on this blog you had many people, including myself, calling for Daivs to be replaced this off-season! We knew he was bad, it was obvious!
Linebacker is another such position. Guys that have to cover baseball, basketball, hockey, soccer, golf… these media types never learn enough about football to understand the linebacker position. All they can see are sacks and passes defended. They can read a stat sheet, and that’s about it.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I understand that...
And not to call out Dale or anything, but when I read this I just felt like it was as if Phillips was already way above Butler:
Out of that 2009 draft, only John Phillips and David Buehler have contributed in a meaningful way. Victor Butler has had a few moments at outside linebacker along with special teams
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I think he has a lot of upside, but as far as on the field accomplishments, Butler has proved just as much, if not more.
Unless being a training camp/preseason hero is… oh wait, nevermind. Butler is one of those as well.
Yeah, John Phillips has kinda' gotten Martyred
He caught 7 balls in regular season NFL games. Look, I like Phillips too, but let’s not crown the guy a prime Jason Witten. Besides, Marty B has been playing quite solidly this year… although hasn’t been asked to do too much.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Meanwhile
All Victor Butler does is make plays. 4 sacks for a guy that only very rarely sees the field is quite nice.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're going to take the position that underperforming starters should be benched for rookies to send a message to the team.
Anthony Spencer for Victor Butler might not be a bad place to start.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not ready to bench Spencer...
But I’d give Butler significant playing time for sure.
The first person I’d bench is Barber. No more of this “we don’t want to hurt your feelings, so start 2 plays” crap.
On the defense, Ball is getting benched, and Brooking next. Sorry but you don’t get a 2nd round pick in Lee who you claim is the “second highest rated LB ever; second only to Patrick Willis” and then sit him on the bench for 80% of the game while an aging veteran struggles.
Jason Williams defenders step forward
i said he sucked balls about a month ago and got slammed for it
now he is cut
2009 worst draft EVER
2009 worst ever hands down
2006 isnt killing this team right now, that was awful too but 2009 is the worst draft ever and is going to kill us
by Archie Barberio on Nov 2, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
They're both terrible no doubt.
But when I look at 2006 I see the 18th pick in the first and another mid second pick that were totally wasted. We’re literally getting nothing out of them right now. When I look at 2006 I see some of the quality players who were taken around our picks (some very good Olineman too) who are now key players for their teams who could be key starters for us right now. With 2009 most of our picks were late rounders and they’re always more prone to washing out.
2 wasted drafts in 4 years is enough to cripple any franchise
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 2, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
we aren't getting much return on Felix and Martellus either
a couple of boring reliable o linemen would be nice
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 3, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I will step forward Chia
Yes, your friend Dallaspalace will defend Jason Williams.
How, you ask? easy- I’ll make yourself ask some basic football questions.
1- go look at Jason Williams highlights- was he ever an ILB? No- he’s an OLB all his college career, and a good one too. I wonder who’s idea it was to switch him? sounds like the same things we do to alot of players (Barber, Felix, etc…)
3- Is the even the first time you have asked yourself if these coaches have made a good decision about players in general? What position they play? Who should be the starter, and who should be the back-up?
Don’t look at Jason Williams sub-par play at ILB as a sign that he isn’t a good football player. He may not have good instincts to cover recievers out of the backfield, or cover tight ends, but he can rush the passer- quite well iI might add. Leave it to this Cowboy coaching staff to draft him, and play him at a position that doesn’t fit his skills, then cut him when he doesn’t perform “well enough”.
2- Do you cut a young player to send a message to the vets Chia? NO, you are supposed to do the other way around. I’m sure Wade did not want to cut this guy- who is in charge? Are you asking yourself the same questions I am- who is making these bonehead decisions? I hope this cut doesn’t come back to haunt us. I pray he does not go to another NFC east team. I hope we put him on the practice squad, and give him a shot at OLB, cause I think Spencer is average there.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
yeah
I get your point
ive said all along he is a OLB, not a pass rusher
would I have flat out cut him? god no
I would of moved him to OLB thats me
I said that months ago
I would of released Gerald Sensabaugh Leonard Davis Alan Ball or Scandrick
take your pick out of those Pro Bowlers
Spencer is playing average, but he isnt a average player, guy has talent
I would PS him, idk if another team signs him to play ILB, he is awful at ILB
by Archie Barberio on Nov 3, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Would he have ever become a better OLB than Victor Butler and Brandon Williams?
I don’t think so. And we sure don’t need a 5th OLB on this team. The LAST thing we need is ANOTHER project OLB.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 3, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not the issue B-E-D
I’m not saying that we should have drafted another OLB. We obviously didn’t need that. But that doesn’t have anything to do with where Jason Williams skill set are. These coaches and scouts, to come to the conclusion that he could be moved to the inside, I mean, who is making these decisions on drafts and personnel like that?
To draft that LB, at that spot, and to be a project switch position situation? That is the problem, not that Jason Williams can’t play ILB.
Someone out there does know what to do with Jason Williams. We don’t obviously, or don’t want to. Maybe he was unmotivated because they wanted something from him he isn’t good at, that’s all I’m saying. This doesn’t mean he isn’t a good football player. Look at his college career. They were using him right.
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by DallasPalace on Nov 3, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly what I mean Chia
and I take what you said was supposed to be “I’ve said all along he is an OLB, and a pass rusher”. this guy, with his speed, should have been let loose to go after the QB. Forget about changing his position, and making him play and do something he never did. That is why he failed. Who say’s the next team is going to look at him that way,becuase you know our coaches have a penchant for mis-casting players and they’re role’s.
Even think of Romo for a second buddy- When I think of Romo, i think of a passer that throws excellent on the run. Not many, if any QB’s can do that. What does Garrett do? He forces him to stand in the pocket, and throw- making him an average QB. He’s trying to make him Tom Brady. It’s not his strength of traits. They are going against what the player does well. Once these coaches are gone, and another coach can come in, identify what the player does well, and use that- well, that is why we are saying a new coaching mentality is needed with this team.
Please don’t go hating on Jason Williams. It’s not his fault our coaches have an evaluating problem.
That’s the point- fans are not trusting of the coaches evaluations anymore. I have been suspectful starting 2 years ago by the way.
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Romo isn't an average qb in the pocket
You can’t tell me all of his productive throws have been on the run, that simply isn’t true at all. You give Romo time in the pocket and yes he can be as good as Brady and Manning.
In Romo we Trust
Okay Terry
If you know you have an Oline that sucks at pass blocking, with a QB that throws well on the run, what do you do if your a coach?
These coaches keep dropping him back, and keep him sitiing there as a target. That’s why Romo was hurt. You would think that the coaches, knowing this, would react and do something to help him, especially since one of his strengths is throwing on the run. Ha also has no help in the run game from Barber and Felix to the degree of saying it’s decent enough to give Tony that extra second or two that might make a difference.
If you were a coach, would you keep him sitting like a dead duck back there?
If you add in all the mistakes, he is below average. It’s not all on Tony, in fact, Tony’s coaches have failed him. But it is the truth. Tony can be more than what we’ve seen from him so far in his career. This collapse of our team is the very definition of “what is the value of a coach to a football team?”
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by DallasPalace on Nov 3, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
you simply can't design every passing play
outside the pocket, that just isn’t feasible or realistic. NFL qb need to produce from the pocket the majority of the time to be successful.
Call a few more roll outs yes, but he has to throw the majority of time from the pocket.
Unfortunately you can’t hide an OL in football, if you have a bad one, it will be exposed.
BTW, the OL didn’t knock Romo out, that actually was a rookie FB.
In Romo we Trust
How about some of the passing plays being outside the pocket?
Oops, I forgot, every play that has ever been called is the correct one, except for that one time in the Seventies, and maybe another time
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Spencer is playing average
and I do believe he is a good, not great, player. But what better way to motivate him than to pull him and put in a backup, and get him fired up? You and I both know and have seen the Giants do that with many players over the years- star players. They’re coaches and philosiphy know how to keep players competitive juices flowing.
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by DallasPalace on Nov 3, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
yes you are my only friend by the way on here
i make enemies on here for some reason
Iron Man chases me with a pitchfork for fun
by Archie Barberio on Nov 3, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, he doesn't understand
the utter insanity this team can drive you to. I think he does, because all fan’s are frustrated. I pointed out to him I made up a knickname for Garret two years ago, and the amount of hate was unbelievable. I have been the focus of hate ever since by certain people.
I made up the knickname “Captain Carrothead” two years ago, and everyone got angry over it, and thought I was crazy. It wasn’t a malicious knickname either. But the anger, the hate- wow. I wonder if they look at the knickname I made up back then after the Pitt game 2 years ago with hate anymore?
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lol
Captain Carrothead that isnt bad
I said Gerald Sensaballs a couple times and I was crucified
by Archie Barberio on Nov 3, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I was accused of racism for saying that "Gingers have no souls."
Not enough South Park fans here I guess
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Dude, gingers don't have souls
please stop capitalizing the word.
by Dezstroyer88 on Nov 3, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
that kid is messed up. Duly noted on the capitalization
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ahhhhhhhhhhh hahhahahahaha
I love South Park
dude I saw Gingers all the time hahahaha
by Archie Barberio on Nov 3, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how that got out of Order Chia
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This is gonna be the longest season ever.
And with the lock-out coming, damn, it just gets more depressing the more I think about it. I say, start all of the young players and see what we’ve got. That way, the new administration will have plenty of tape to evaluate. We know 90% of our current starters have 0% heart. I hope Cowher brings in some fighters. Wake me up when this is over….
guys
Jason Williams sucks Alan Ball’s
he is not going to be “James Harrison”
Jason Williams got beat on a headfake in a walkthrough, lmfao thats bad
he has no awareness none at all
he watches them make the catch……………then chases them
Come on Chia,I won't put the guy down like that
We should have never let Kevin Burnett go in the first place. But Jason Williams tried to learn a position he never played before. Failure in a situation like that doesn’t bother me. It’s not the last time it will happen. I put more blame on the coaches. I think if you see him rush the passer, you would think differently about him, that’s for sure.
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dude he sucks
ive seen him play he sucks
by Archie Barberio on Nov 3, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
okay, he sucks at ILB
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by DallasPalace on Nov 3, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
One question not being talked about here
Who will be replacing Jason Williams on the roster?
I sure as hell hope it’s not washed up Shawne Merriman, the NFL poster child for “before” and “after” PEDs.
Dallas Cowboys: America's Dumbest Team
Hahahahaha!
Nah, he and his Purple Drank need to go over there to Minnesota.
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
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I hope and pray it's Barry Church Silverblue
He is the only one in the center of the defense that looks like he’s gonna hit somebody and make them fumble.
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Church is already on the roster
The guy I’ve read that has a chance to get added is Bryan McCann, with Newman’s injury.
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I meant
Who is going to replace Williams as nickel LB’er? I don’t think it will be Lee, will it?
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by DallasPalace on Nov 2, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't even think Jason was playing
My wild guess is that Leon Williams is manning that spot right now.
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yeah
one would assume its Leon, who isnt awful
if I was Grandpa Wade I would put Lee out there, and go to IHOP after the game with the “Wade Guy’s”
BALL IGOR BROOKING SENSABAUGH IHOP ON ME! AWWWWWWWWWW SHUCKS GUYS I LOVE Y’ALL
by Archie Barberio on Nov 3, 2010 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, Leon Williams is pretty bad too
It’s just Jason Williams couldn’t play football so he was worse.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 3, 2010 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions
From what I've read
They’re bringing up a Corner from the PS-McCann, because we are thin and hurting.
A number of themes here – the interim coach/Fire wade argument has Pros and Cons, but my sense is there are 2 reasons and 1 nightmare scenario to do something now:
1) Wade’s D has fallen apart. If that was his core value to the team, what is his value now?
2) Audition JG. I understand he has his detractors, but there’s literally nothing to lose at this point
Nightmare scenario is we continue the season with Wade for a variety of reasons and JJ is hogtied/paralyzed/unable/unwilling to hire a replacement due to the uncertainty of a work stoppage. Does this mean WP stays on through the April draft which will take place regardless? Or at least as bad – , JJ conducts a draft without a HC and a lame duck group of Assistants? This nightmare doesn’t end…
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
I'm beginning to agree with thart asessment TD
It’s possible we are doing more harm to the team than good by continuing this folly, and outdated way of evaluating players i8n the NFL. There are 3 things I am expecting to see against Green Bay, and if it doesn’t happen, I won’t go out of my way to watch games anymore this year:
Josh Brent has to start, or just see significant snaps at NT, and move Ratliff to DE
Church has to replace Ball
Tashard has to either start, or just be used 80% of the game for runs.
The third one TD, has to be tied to a gameplan and calling around the run game. It’s time to sweep this “Pass to set up the run” mentality of Garrett’s aside, and just look to run the ball to cause the pass game to be effective, not just sit there with blind dumb arrogance that the pass game will work, and keep going to it endlessly while there are tipped balls, Interceptions, and drops.
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For what it's worth
I think it’s pass to get a lead, run to hold it and wear the opposition down. Playing from behind so much negates this at its core. As a result the initial tactic, passing, becomes the only tactic
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
That's what it's supposed to be TD
But do you know what it ends up becoming?
Pass to get the lead, then when you get it, pass more because the rb’S aren’t doing well
Pass to get the lead, then when you don’t get it, pass more because you rb’s aren’t doing well
Is there ever a reason to run? How’s this- because you want to win, and your pass offense isn’t getting it done down near the goal line?
They have to try out Tashard now, or just watch how horrible a decision it has been to take situational RB’s, and make them get alot of touches. That’s what both Felix and MB3 are- situational backs. There, I said it so people can get angry at me and call me names and say I’m crazy.
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But they ran at the goal line
Twice with Marion Barber. Neither one was a TD, how do you explain that?
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Barber is washed up, has no explosiveness, no punch and should be riding the pine
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He’ll probably just go to another team and be pretty good, just like….
Fasano
Mcquistan
Danny Ameydola
Bobby Carpenter
Patrick Crayton
Scott Fujita
Reme Ayodele
Did i leave anyone out? Noticing a trend?
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Carpenter isn't pretty good
Scott Shanle
by I_miss_Switzer on Nov 3, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Does this list include the UDFA who was a guard
but we tried to turn into a TE or something. He is now playing guard for Kansas City. Not like we needed a guard right?
4-time Pro Bowler Brian Waters
It was way back in 2000. But still… geez…
Whens the last time this team actually picked someone off a waiver wire or another teams practice squad and actually turned them into a player?
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Jason Garrett for Interim Head Coach
Seriously. JG has actually done a decent job with the offense and he hasn’t had too much say in the draft picks and I’m sure he could do a much better job. I didn’t like him for a long time, but I’m so sick of Wade and his terrible players/draft picks that I want him gone. Test out Garrett and see if he can handle it for the rest of the year. If he can pump up this team then keep him on.
Not much say in the draft picks?
Wasn’t he the one who wanted Felix over CJ?
Yeah kind of like how Jeff Fisher said he wanted Felix over CJ.
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If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
I think Garrett would make a good HC
I think he’d be tougher on the players than Wade and quite frankly our horrible OL has really handcuffed him as an OC. Considering that fact, I think he’s done a nice job.
In Romo we Trust
He can't run the offense
and you want him to be coach? Well, that’s your opinion.
I think someone with a little more run offense experience is called for as the OC of the Dallas Cowboys.
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Comparatively speaking, they may be the glory days, which is sickening
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one thing just occurred to me........
I forgot that Grantham left until I heard his name the other day saying that he’s with Georgia or Georgia Tech. I forgot that Pasqualoni is the new DLine coach. Could this be making a difference? Just a thought

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