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Ice Blue Cool

It wasn't exactly "Man Bites Dog."  The Detroit Lions losing on the road was hardly news, front-page or otherwise.  The Lions had done that 25 straight times even before Sunday.  In itself, the 26th drew only yawns.

The news was what the Cowboys didn't do.  They didn't lose the type of game they almost certainly would have lost as recently as two weeks ago.   That represents tangible progress, and that's newsworthy in Dallas in 2010.

Admit it.  At 12-7 Detroit early in the third,  following the safety resulting from Leonard Davis' end zone holding penalty,  you feared the worst.   So did I.

But there is a new, evident, cool, ice-blue Dallas composure that focuses on the next play rather than the last one.  That is the very definition of what Tom Landry used to call "mental toughness."  A two-week aberration?  Undetermined.  And its immediate manifestation yielded merely another Lion road failure.  Dog bites man.

Star-divide

Still, don't dismiss its significance.  Consider the TD that put the Cowboys ahead to stay.  Alert, instead of out-to-lunch.  Aggressive rather than cowed. 

A Cowboy player who not only knows a slightly obscure rule, but ruthlessly exploits it?

How long has this been going on?

Roy Dollar.   That was the first person I thought of when Bryan McCann grabbed a punt--after it had been touched by Lions coverage team demon John Wendling--and was well on his way to a 97-yard touchdown return before the Lions knew what was happening. 

Roy Dollar was my high school head coach.  Coach Dollar was one of those "kicking game" true believers who knew, and stressed, every special teams nuance and loophole.  We'd spend hours in the Central Texas summer sun repping punts and punt returns (and cussing under our breaths).    Not a day went by that Coach Dollar didn't drive it into our heads.  "Pick it up and take off!  Once that ball has been touched but not killed by a member of the kicking team, it's a free pass!  Even if you fumble it, we keep the ball!  You got nothing to lose.  Pick it up!"

I was thinking about Coach Dollar before McCann got to midfield.

Smart, alert, aggressive, knowledgeable, well-coached Cowboy players.  Including a rookie.   How long has this been going on?

Again, full disclosure time.  Yes, I was having another disturbing case of deja vu after Detroit closed to 21-19 late in the third.  I didn't need to worry.  New ice-blue Cowboy composure prevailed.

Nobody's "cooler" than Jon Kitna.  His second TD completion to Miles Austin, followed by Kitna's franchise quarterback record-tying 29 yard bootleg score, sealed the deal. 

More impressive than Kitna's arm, legs or savvy is his demeanor.  Watch Kitna relate to his teammates, Number Nine.   Learn something. 

Ultimately, all that happened Sunday is that the Detroit Lions lost a road game.  But the ongoing Dateline Arlington story could become more newsworthy, starting Thursday.

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Truer words....
Learn something.

Have seldom been spoken.

Not Romo-bashing, btw. Words apply to me, him, ….

by tanstaafl on Nov 22, 2010 6:35 PM CST reply actions  

I completely 100% agree.

I like Romo and think he is a very good QB. But he just seems to be missing that intangible that Kitna and others seem to have as far as rallying his teammates. Hopefully some of Kitna can rub off on him.

by selke99 on Nov 23, 2010 3:52 AM CST up reply actions  

its not bashing if its true......
More impressive than Kitna’s arm, legs or savvy is his demeanor. Watch Kitna relate to his teammates, Number Nine. Learn something.

by McLovin9 on Nov 22, 2010 6:38 PM CST reply actions  

Ouch!

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

Romo has proven to us that he is incapable of learning :(

by Damnsammit on Nov 23, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not true at all.

You’re on the internet. Use it to search for audio from when Romo was miked up for games.

Or, wallow in your ignorance and don’t bother.

by danielt on Nov 23, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

oh yes...like the Giants game

where he bounced up and down and said ’lets go…lets go!!"

gave me goosebumps….inspirational

go Kitna!

by McLovin9 on Nov 23, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

or how about when he was laying on the turf....
“did he catch the ball?”

"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain

"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Nov 23, 2010 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I really enjoy your work, Paul.

I was thinking the same thing about Kitna. He is more a Field General than Romo. Now don’t get me wrong. Romo’s talent is something I want on the gridiron. But in many ways this offense is running smoother than it does under Romo. I wasn’t a believer in Kitna…wasn’t. He is really playing well. By his own words, he’s waited his whole career to play with talent like this. If he was a few years younger…I’d still want Romo back. BUT!!! Watch and learn, Tony. Watch and learn. Kitna brings a lot to the table. Things you can add to your toolbox. You must lead. You must be disgusted with players occasionally, and let them know what they did wrong. Let them know in a way which leaves no doubt their mistakes are unacceptable. They will respect you for it.

If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.

by White Wolf on Nov 22, 2010 6:43 PM CST reply actions  

My Coach Wasn't Dollar.........

his name was Hightower.He has a school named for him in Fort Bend county.

The kicking teams were composed of a bunch of players he called “ragnots” and those rules were drilled into us daily.

I was about to get on the highlight reel by catching a blocked punt in the air and returning it for a TD.I was blocked by a teammate he caught the ball and I tried to tackle him but he had too much of a head start.Never talked to that bastid again.

by TCB Orange Dino on Nov 22, 2010 7:00 PM CST reply actions  

WTF? What did Kitna do that was so impressive relating to his teamates?

Somebody explain the differences between Kitna and Romo on the sidelines… am I missing something?

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 7:27 PM CST reply actions  

Romo does come across as having a live another day attitude...

Best example i can give is his presser after the one of the playoff losses (i can’t remember which one) where he essentially summarized football is not everything for him

by thejanusman on Nov 22, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

you mean the philly game...

After he had gotten mutilated by the Giants, Ravens and Eagles for 3 straight games and fainted in the locker room?

I agree to some extent that Romo should show more urgency in games, but I hate your example. Watch the pressers from this season and you can see how much he cares.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

That's kinda how I feel too Foyes....

I keep reading stuff about Romo that seems to always criticize his “leadership” qualities, but I don’t see it the same way…Romo will never be the in your face, scream at the top of his lungs type personality, but that in and of itself, doesn’t indicate leadership capability.

Leadership is working hard and setting an example to the rest of the team. Leadership is helping your team mates be better than they are…Romo took time out last year to help Mike Jenkins study tape, and pointed out certain “tells” of other QB’s that resulted in interceptions for Jenkins.

Some fans always look for a stereotype…maybe it would be better to look for substance…

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 9:38 PM CST up reply actions  

It was clearly publicized. Look at the archives in the Dallas Morning News or the DC website.

It stemmed from interviews of Jenkins about some of the reasons he’s getting interceptions and looks to be improved (remember last year he was in competition with Scandrick and he started to get separation?), and he mentioned that Tony helped him. How many other players has Tony helped on the team? He doesn’t go around bragging…this is the same guy that stops to help an elderly couple fix their car in the middle of the night after an exhausting game where he got 6-7 stitches on his face.

Here’s what I know, I have never heard a single team mate come out and criticize Romo’s ability…not one. That should speak volumes.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 9:50 PM CST up reply actions  

another example...

Listen to Kitna’s press conference. He gave a bunch of credit to Romo, saying hes heavily involved in the offense right now. And Kitna seems to speak openly to the media, so I believe him.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Gee, and here I thought Romo only talked to Austin.

At least that is what the story was someone posted a couple weeks ago.

by Rena on Nov 23, 2010 6:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, we replaced Wade with Jason
Romo took time out last year to help Mike Jenkins study tape, and pointed out certain "tells" of other QB’s that resulted in interceptions for Jenkins.

Can we replace Campo with Romo?

:-)

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess my point is how much worse could he be?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I need to start a fire campo website

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

 Yes I do.

It’s never been a solid coverage group since he returned and they always argue about their responsibilities.

I was done with him a long time ago.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he did well in spite of what he was presented with. Just look at us, we’re 3 and 7. We could realistically wind up at 5 and 11 man.

He was handcuffed by our poor salary cap situation and I think he handled it well. As far as our secondary? There’s a reason the Chargers were so willing to let Sensy walk and we picked him up for so cheap. He’s got all the physical tools in the world if you ask me, I will always remember him running stride for stride with Sidney Rice in the playoffs, that’s impressive for a safety. There’s a lot of corners that wouldn’t have such good coverage on him. He just never tracked the ball and the rest is history.

I just think it’s mental with these guys, they’re not able to process information at a high level and get confused. They’ve been taught their assignments, why else would Newman get onto Sensabaugh to the point where they’re barking at each other on the field? Did Newman somehow learn something that Sensy did not? Of course not, they both get coached the same things; obviously someone’s out there messing up.

by G_SWAG on Nov 23, 2010 4:59 AM CST up reply actions  

So fire the secondary?

:-)

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 23, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I am going to wait the rest of the season out before coming to a conclusion

they’ve played a lot better recently. I think theres something to be said for the way Wade put a ridiculous amount of pressure on this secondary – I’m not sure any group in the league had to cover wrs 1 on 1 as much as we did, and our blitzes often didn’t get there.

But I do agree with 5blings, you do see problems in the secondary, specifically with tackling and defending a ball in the air (Newman, Scanrick and Sensabaugh all have notable lapses in this area)l. But again…is this Wade’s scheme or Campo’s coaching?

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

yes it definitely is true that Wade exposed them.

his 6 man blitzes meant the secondary was on an island against GB and Jax and they were badly burned when the blitzes repeatedly did not get there.

We still have had some secondary issues for quite a while. Jenkins and Scandrick regressed, Newman is Newman. And we can’t get a pair of safeties to play well and with consistency. Not asking for Ed Reed or Troy Polamolu, I would settle for Brock Marion back there.

by mdlusk on Nov 24, 2010 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

5 Blings, I agree with you, Campo is really bad DB coach. And this team doesn't need the stink of his three 5-11 seasons

"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."

-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.

by Rohpuri on Nov 23, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I am waiting for the Romo lovers to start bashing you up for this article....

I have always said that Romo needs to show a little more emotion on the field….

by thejanusman on Nov 22, 2010 7:28 PM CST reply actions  

Em, everyone is different.

There are multiple ways to lead, interact and communicate. I am sure that more than one Indy player has thought of wiping the smug look off of Manning’s face but he does get the job done (when not play NE that is…).

by Keys80 on Nov 22, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I could care less about emotion

I have seen Romo chew out the oline multiple times and it hasn’t made a difference- a bunch of older players aren’t going to change the way they play. He had every right to go off on his wrs for all the dropped balls this year, but is that really the reaction you want? I’m also not sure I want to see what happens if Roy or Dez get chewed out. But I’m sure ESPN would love it.

I think the above paragraph is a statement about Jerry and the way hes run/built this team. This team right now is composed of stars and a bunch of subpar subs (although things are looking better with Garret so maybe its scheme as much as anything). These players get tons of face time in the local and national media. Frankly, it makes them hard to discipline and it doesn’t give a coach/qb the power to take command. Once their season was realistically over, you can see it suddenly stopped being about individuals and started being about the team. Only at that point did Jerry make changes, promote accountability and bring in a coach who would do that. Since then, many of our struggling players have turned it around (although again, I think scheme matters – Wade was an Xs and Os disaster this season)

I had similar complaints about Romo after the 08 season, but I think hes changed some. Last year many people here were saying they thought Romo showed more leadership – now hes not? Again, I don’t buy it. I think the bottom line is fans want results. When we’re winning, nobody cares. When we’re losing everyone blames Romo’s intangibles. I think its a load of crap. I don’t think inangibles had anything to do with him being just a little bit off on passes in a bears game he needed to be perfect in. I don’t think intangibles had anything to do with the INT against Minnesota, in a game that he had played mistake free football till that point.

Honestly, my biggest complaint about Romo is that since that Giants game early last year, his aggressiveness is almost nonexistant. I see Kitna go downfield more often than Romo. Its like Tony has resigned himself to running a ball control passing offense where the only shots deep they take are off of designed plays, and thats going to lead to us struggling offensively considering this offensive line. He doesn’t seem to do as good a job looking downfield as he used to, and that imo is what separates him from the best qbs. And I’ve heard the excuses – its Garret, its the oline, etc. After seeing Kitna play for 4 games I don’t buy it.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

So, you don't buy that the team and the O line are playing better now than they were

earlier in the season? That Kitna is getting better protection? Why do you think Romo, who seems to be an aggressive player, would “resign” himself to ball control?

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Romo has had time

lets not make it out to be like hes running for his life on EVERY play. Kitna has faced pressure too.
The offensive line has played a little better, but they also took 2 quarters off in yesterdays game. For much of the game they were as bad as they had been under Romo. I also think taking those deep shots like he did against the Giants backs defenses off. In the last 12+ games with Romo, we had thrown very few deep balls and that pretty much encourages defenses to bring the pressure.

Take Kitna and Dez. I have seen Kitna throw the ball when Dez isn’t open, and hes done it quite a few times. Romo doesn’t trust him like that. You can argue Dez has improved, but on these deep passes, I don’t think hes been too much better than earlier in the year, we just didn’t go to him as often

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

He's run for his life a lot, particularly this year. Kitna also threw multiple interceptions

in one of his games, so let’s not make it out to be like he’s been flawless in all of this. When the O line did take 2 quarters off, I didn’t see Kitna playing any better than Romo or scoring points. But the O line has had stretches in the last couple of games where I could tell those guys had decided to fight for their jobs, something I didn’t see earlier this year. I’d also remind you that the D has played better in the last two games than they’ve played all year, although that’s not saying much, and that has helped Kitna, too. Ditto some key plays by McCann, plays that weren’t being made earlier in the season. Quite frankly, you’re talking like Romo was an unmitigated disaster earlier this season; I would remind you that that is not the case, and that the team was competitive in every game until he went down. As for Romo and Dez, I would also remind you that Dez is likely coming along now because he missed most of pre-season and started the season low. And is it all about Dez? RW hasn’t barely caught a pass in the last few games and Miles has virtually vanished from the offense. Romo had both of them more involved than Kitna does. Should I blame Kitna for that? Is Dez supposed to be the whole offense? Because at some point, defenses will figure that out.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not talking like "Romo was an unmitigated disaster"....

But you sure seem to be reading it that way.

I think hes been playing like one of the better qbs in the league, but certainly not at as high a level as hes played in the past.And frankly, there are not that many great qbs in this league, so I wouldn’t consider getting rid of him unless I was relatively sure we would get something better. But I’m not going to go through a season refusing to criticize Romo like some here.

The Oline played pretty solid ball against the Vikings, and we didn’t see him go deep more than once. And I refuse to believe that Garret is entirely to blame for his gameplan. There were serious signs of shell shock from that Minny playoff game, despite the fact that Minnesota really didn’t get much pressure on him.

Dez has quite a few catches on fly routes. These are the ones I’m talking about. He has not started out open on some of these, yet Kitna has thrown them anyway. I don’t think Dez’ ability to catch the ball has changed significantly since week 6. Also, look at the first td against Detroit – Kitna showed his trust in Dez to go get that.

Kitna didn’t play well the first 2 games for sure. He wasn’t an absolute disaster – the wrs let him down like they did Romo. But the last two hes been imo as good or better than Romo would have played.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

correction

“There were serious signs of shell shock from that Minny playoff game, despite the fact that Minnesota really didn’t get much pressure on him in this year’s game”

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

its not just that...

they had a secondary off the street!

Romo made a mistake, a big one, but I’m willing to accept that. My problem with Romo this year has (for the most part) NOT been about the mistakes hes made. Its been the lack of aggressive play like we saw from him in the past.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Contention : Dez Bryant has been hurt. His explosion on the offense comes with more practice time and familiarity with the coaches (and vice versa) as well as the playbook. His recent explosion also happens to coincide with his regainment of good health.

by G_SWAG on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Weren't people complaining about Romo throwing to Dez to much in the skins game?

How he was trying to force to many balls to him and should knock it off?

by Rena on Nov 23, 2010 7:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think that was forcing to Dez.

I thought Romo thought he had something there and made a mistake (or maybe the redskins presnap defense fooled him). It happens sometimes, I don’t blame him to much for that.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, the point Rena was making is valid.

The backup QB is never second guessed as much as the starting one. Romo did exactly what Kitna did by pressing some balls his direction, but the difference is that Dez is better now than he was earlier in the season. Kitna forced that pass to Dez in the end zone of the Giant’s game, and most people said it was a good play because Dez was playing so well. If it was Romo, they would have said…“there Romo goes again, he’s playing gunslinger, again”.

Some people think that Kitna is a better solution to Romo (as indicated by reporter questions to Garrett), but neglect to realize that Kitna is 2-2 as a starter. Kitna is playing the same as he did in the Jacksonville and GB game, but the difference is the Oline is actually playing well. When you give up zero sacks to the Giants, you’re doing pretty good.

Perception is created by the media, many fans eat it up without realizing sometimes its sh*t.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 23, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally,

I 100% don’t agree that Kitna is better than Romo. Look at Kitna’s career and you will see a player more turnover prone that Tony. Even though I’m not as high on Romo as I used to be, the very fact that he has played a top 5 level in the past (and I think capable of returning to it, maybe with a fresh start next season) is why I would take him over Kitna.

But also, Kitna has played well the last two weeks Legitimately well. I highly doubt Romo does more with this oline when we were backed up against the 5 on like 3 of our first 5 possessions.

And a fade to dez is never a bad pass.Neither is a bomb to him as long as it not into triple coverage. As for “gunslinger”…I can’t think of any INTs this year where that mentality has hurt Romo. Seriously, he rarely throws legitimately dumb passes into coverage anymore (aside from the one to end the titans game, that was bad), and part of that is that he rarely goes deep anymore aside from desiged plays. There are some passes where hes a little off that have lead to INTs. Some where his receivers hurt him.

As I mentioned above (and I’m not going to argue this again), my only real complaint about Romo is he hasn’t done a good enough job keeping his eyes downfield. He has very much become imo a qb who goes through 2 or 3 or so of his reads and dumps it off. I know the OL deserves plenty of criticism for this but they aren’t awful on any snap and I feel like considering our wr talent, all we need to do is loft it up there occasionally.

I think in large part the f

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2010 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Romo doesn't walk on water in my eyes and I think we see the QB situation similarly...

but I can see Romo is much better than Kitna. Or more acuurately put, I have more “high” on Romo than you are…People are all excited about the last 2 games, but have forgotten the previous 2. Kitna can play but if people perceive Romo to be erratic, you’ll find that Kitna is more so…the body of work on both QB’s tells a clearer story.

Kitna has done well, but I have seen Romo take over games. This is as good as Kitna will get, but Romo can still go to the next level.

It’s amazing what 2 games can do to skew the perception on fans. I was recently listening to DFW sports radio and got into a discussion with a colleague. He was all ready to bench Romo for Kitna. After methodically going over the differences in both QB’s, I think he’s more rational now, but the fact that people actually think Kitna is the solution is laughable.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 23, 2010 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, you pretty much are. You may not mean it that way, but you've

posted quite a lot lately finding a lot of fault with Romo. You have complained about 2009, which utterly confuses me, since nearly everyone else agrees that it was his best season so far. By all means, criticize him, but what you are zeroing in on confuses me.

But the last two hes been imo as good or better than Romo would have played.

Seriously? Then, by all means, cut Romo and make Kitna your franchise QB.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

the two before that..

Kitna played awful. You’re telling me I can’t say somebody played better than Romo would have for ONE GAME? Demarcus Ware played crappy in Jacksonville and GB, now you can twist my words and tell me how I think we should cut him too.

The reason I’m criticizing him so much is that any time anyone criticizes Romo, there are 3 people that jump up to defend him. I’ve read you and Terry posting multiple times saying vague stuff like “there are areas Romo can improve, I don’t think he is immune to criticism” yet I have rarely seen specifics and when anybody brings up a specific complaint, you argue it to the death. I think its ludicrous.

I also seem to be rambling and I’m being forced to be more negative about Romo then I want to be. If you notice, I also am backing him up at other points in this thread.I’m not trying to say hes awful. Even with a less aggressive approach I think he was around a top 15-10 qb this year.

ok..take the Bears game for example. He had a ton of accurate passes in that Bears game, but imo Romo shouldn’t have to perfectly place the ball in the middle of the field for the offense to move the ball. The team needs him to be more aggresive and make plays and take some shots deep.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, you didn't answer my question about why Romo would choose to be "resigned"

to ball control. Shell shock? Cowardice? Or maybe there’s a reason he’s not playing to his instincts. It’s all well and good for Kitna to come off the bench and air it out; what has he got to lose? What has the team got to lose? They’re in the toilet, so why not go for broke? It’s way easier to relax and play big when you’re not playing for a Super Bowl. But I need to be careful, lest I be accused of unjustly defending Romo.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't know why TR was not taking any shots downfield

Yes running for his life a lot, but not every single play.

Kitna does have a LOT of trust in Dez AND

he kinda has a free pass on the year, as you say. Jon didnt have the pressure of being the Cowboys QB who is expected to be Roger or Troy. He’s just an old backup to most fans. If he throws 3 INT’s, well that’s to be expected. If TR does it… somebody get a rope.

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders

by jstaubach on Nov 22, 2010 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You nailed this:
He’s just an old backup to most fans. If he throws 3 INT’s, well that’s to be expected. If TR does it… somebody get a rope.

It’s an exaggeration to say Romo hasn’t been taking shots downfield. Sure he has. And if he’s playing some ball control, who is calling those shots? Again, why would a gambler like Romo take more care now? Last year, it was all about praising him for not gambling as much. Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why I'm puzzled about it. I'm hoping he gets back this year so we can see what he & RHG will dial up

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders

by jstaubach on Nov 22, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Bingo

All this discussion is kind of a moot point in my book until we see what the Romo-Garrett project produces. I predict Romo will thrive based soley on the fact that Garrett has demanded better production from the whole team. And whatever he’s tweaked as far as X’s and O’s is working much better than the first half of the season. As much as I love the way Kitna has stepped in and led, I’m equally excited to see the Romo reentry.

I started out with nothing and still have most of it left

by Benthere on Nov 22, 2010 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Garrett was pretty much in charge of the offense.....

I have a hard time believing we are playing better just cause of Garret being promoted. In fact, the playcalling has been the same its been all year (look at Raf’s blog). The difference imo has been part luck – wrs aren’t dropping balls, partly that we are taking shots downfield, which makes things easier for the rest of the offense as it expands the field, and partly that other areas of the team have made key plays to get momentum back when we needed it.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

You're also talking about games against a fading Giants

team and a Detroit team that is as bad as the Cowboys. I’m happy for the wins, but let’s see what happens against the Saints.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

They weren't fading when we played them

…they are the better team on paper and on the field and we beat them.

Then we beat a team equally as desperate as ourselves.

I give them a ton of credit.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

And now they've lost two. I think that puts it in perspective.

I think the Giants win was huge, but I’m not ready to send the Cowboys to the Super Bowl or overlook their problems.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

So were the Saints fading when we beat them last season?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I have no idea what your point is on that one.

If the Giants win the Super Bowl this year, I’ll stand corrected and agree that this win was one of the greatest in team history, all right?

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

You said the Giants were fading

…but up to that moment, they were on a roll, not unlike the Saints when we beat them and started their slide last year.

So, using the same logic, do you believe the Saints were fading when we beat them last year?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

My logic is sound. The Saints recovered

and won the Super Bowl. If they hadn’t, it would most likely have put the game in perspective, and it might not have seemed as significant as it did in that moment. Hindsight IS 20/20. As I said, if the Giants recover and win the SB, then this will be an even greater victory than it seemed last week. Right now, the Giants look like a troubled team to me. As with any event, it takes time to know its real significance.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you're sleepy

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

You're right, but there's nothing wrong

with my reasoning. Are you arguing that the Cowboys are so good that they simply traumatized the Giants and started their slide? Coughlin seems to believe that problems his team was already having have simply caught up with them the last two weeks. If you’ll recall, Manning threw repeated picks the first time the Cowboys and Giants played, and the Cowboys were winning until Romo went down.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I know I am

I honestly forgot what thread I was on. I was hoping it was a fanpost so this wouldn’t be a front page argument. O well.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL!!!

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 23, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

They weren't obviously fading yet. Now, they've lost two

in a row. Funny how the Philly wins last year are now discounted when we were joyful at the time. Hindsight is 20-20.

I’m not discounting the wins. Now let’s see what happens against the Saints.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm hopeful also

I think time off could do him well.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I see your point...

and I agree that Kitna has benefited from lack of expectations. There is validity in that.

I didn’t intend to make this just a Romo/Kitna discussion though. There are many qbs out there with poor olines. Ben has played behind one for years. Rodgers for the last two. Warner’s line was nothing special. But these guys managed to maintain a more aggressive approach

I don’t know if resigned is the right word. Romo has absolutely been under heavier pressure than normal the last two years. But is it completely overwhelming pressure? With the exception of a few games, I don’t think so. Also, I think it is undeniable that he has approached the game a little differently since the first giants game in 2008. Look at the following weeks – he was missing quite a few wrs because he was playing too safe. Since then, hes been considerably less risky with his play. You rarely see him keep a play alive and then look downfield for a deep ball anymore like he used to. All these things don’t sound that bad but I think they are limiting what made Romo a great player – I would be very hard pressed to call him a “gunslinger” anymore.

Meanwhile, look at the league’s best qbs, including some of the second tier like Ben, Rodgers and Matt Ryan (guys that I group with Romo when discussing them). These guys despite often porous protection are buying time and often throwing downfield.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't mean to blame Romo solely.

I think the organization deserves plenty of blame for not stressing the importance of the offensive line. I think the result is Romo is no longer confident in the time he has to throw, and the poor run blocking certainly puts extra pressure on him. Yet qbs like Ben and Rodger have succeeded in these exact situations.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 10:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Ben has a stifling D to back him up. I don't think he's a great QB. Rodgers

has been no more successful than Romo. Has he won a playoff game yet? I fail to see why he’s anointed until he actually does something besides win regular season games. Isn’t that the perpetual knock on Romo?

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Run the ball...throw deep...confuse the defense and NEVER be predictable

THEN you are able to dictate the pace of the game on offense.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude!!

It’s me!!!

:-)

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you notice they ran the ball more than they passed?

The truth will set you free.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

In this last game, I would agree that there was more balance. In

the Giants game, most of the runs came late when they were mopping up.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 10:54 PM CST up reply actions  

NOT SO FAST!!!

In the Giants game, the run/pass ratio in the first quarter, when the game’s tone is set was 6/5.

THAT is what I am talking about.

I’ve always said the 2-minute drill before halftime negates the argument for runs at the end of a game you are winning.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Dude, calm down. I'm not on the pass 'til you drop bandwagon.

I think you scheme based on what you see on film and what the D gives you. I’ve told you before, I don’t like seeing Romo have to pass 50 times a game.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Fine! Point me at someone who DOES believe that!

It’s hard to know who wants what around here anymore!!!

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

...that 50 passes per game is okay

Jeez, keep up, will ya?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm so tired right now, even your posts sound

like Charlie Brown’s teacher to me. Time to sleep. ’Night.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

When the pass is successful, it sets up the run.

This OLine isn’t able to run first. It’s been this way since 2007.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Not buying it

Running is about commitment. Any line can do it.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

5blings, pretend you’re a left tackle.

Are you saying you could run block for the Cowboys if they ran the ball enough?

by G_SWAG on Nov 22, 2010 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

I refuse to believe the right side of this line is still capable of run blocking well.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's hope the coaches aren't as easily put off as you are...

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not trying to say

that we should never run right, or practice running. Just that I highly doubt these guys will improve. It a personal opinion.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:45 PM CST up reply actions  

First, you have to change your perspective on run blocking and blocking in general

It’s NEVER about one player.

It’s about 5, 6 and sometimes 7 players working together to create lanes for a RB to get through to the 2nd level.

This is all about ensuring that every lineman fulfills his role in the design of the blocking scheme.

You don’t have to physically overpower your opponent. In fact, in most instances, using the proper angles and leverage can make a much lighter man (like me) able to effectively wall off or seal an opponent from being able to disrupt the play.

A perfect example is how Mark Stepnoski, who was outweighed by 30-40 pounds every time he lined up at center, became the game’s best at his position.

It takes smarts. It takes awareness. It takes cohesiveness.

Ask anyone who has played the position and they’ll affirm my position on the subject.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

when two players next to each other can only push straight ahead

it really limits the amount of run plays you can call.

Davis and Columbo..use the proper angles and leverage…at this point in there careers? I have seen these guys miss easy screen blocks. Any type of movement gets our rb stoned in the backfield.

Comparing Stepnoski to these two is ridiculous.

I do agree running more in practice can help a line improve run blocking, but this group is limited by physical ability imo. Quickness is an issue.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The Cowboys offensive line are shadows of a colossus.

by G_SWAG on Nov 22, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions  

People were saying similar things about Kitna after the Jags game

Amazing how quickly popular opinion can change, eh?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, it's not all about athleticism

It’s about working together.

Are they limited? Sure. But you’re not going to get better at something if you consider it something that isn’t FUNDAMENTAL to your success plan.

2007 isn’t THAT long ago. Sparano’s unwillingness to let the line get whupped made an impact. they practiced in pads and went hard until they got it right and it showed through in their play on the field.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

How the heck can they work together?

When neither is quick enough to cut off gap blitzers (and this has a pretty straightforward analogy to the running game)?? Its been years that our interior line hasn’t been able to do this, I really seriously doubt the issue is just that we don’t practice it enough. If Houck is worth one penny, he would’ve been practicing gap blitzers every day every week.

Maybe our coaches are just stupid and incompetent. But personally, I have a little more faith in their ability to COACH. At this point, I seriously believe the problem is physical

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

There are lesser units producing more

Running is about commitment. If JG is running a 80/20 pass/run practice, then Houck really doesn’t get his big’s enough reps in the run game.

It’s a mistake to think that just because Dallas has great skill position talent in the passing game that it mitigates the need for balance. It doesn’t. It accentuates it.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 23, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you'd be hard pressed to find

a worse starting RG than davis. Combine that with Columbo, whose probably in the bottom 10 in right tackles and you have a problem.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

They also sport 4 of the top 10 QB's (all 1st round picks) in the league and running backs that are largely unproven

Dallas has a trio any of which could start for those teams you mentioned.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

So, let me understand this, we have better running backs so we should be a run first team?

Don’t we have a top ten QB too that happens to throw the ball well? I would go further and say our passing attack is more talented than our running attack. But I speak more to the trend of offensive football. There is a reason that more teams are passing better than they ever have, and records are being broken left and right. The rule changes over the past 2 decades to have higher scoring games has skewed and advantage towards pass plays. I’d like to see 50/50 ball because it keeps defenses honest, but I think you’re living in the past when you say more successive teams run first.

I’ll put it to you this way, how many Superbowl teams were run first in the past decade? The trend is towards passing.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 23, 2010 12:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Not run first

But run more.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 23, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

...and we're doing that now because we aren't down 14 or more points in the past 2 games.

I don’t think anyone would like to see a more balanced offense, but “circumstances” of the game dictates what you can do.

They ran more in the past 2 games because they had a lead near the end of the game…that’s why you saw more runs.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 23, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

The o-line wasn't playing better in either the jacksonville or GB games, when Kitna was starting. I give a fair

amount of the credit to JG changing the way the players focus, Kitna deserves credit as well, but it is not all because of Kitna. I think it this is overrating his affect on the team. I think the team is playing well as a unit and they trust kitna, they are winning as a team. Remember the team went into the tank when romo went out, that shows you how much they depended on him.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 22, 2010 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. And I give Kitna a lot of credit. But, as you say, there's more to it. Can

Romo learn from him? I have no problem with that idea; Romo should be willing to continue to learn and grow. He’s always talking about wanting to get better. But I don’t accept the notion that Romo is a good for nothing who has no idea how to lead that team.

by Fernie67 on Nov 22, 2010 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the biggest thing that has hurt Romo is the structure of the Cowboys with WP as the coach

Romo needed the structure of a disciplined coach like Bill to keep him on the right path. WP may not have had direct involvement but the atmosphere he created did not help Romo grow as a maturing QB.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Nov 22, 2010 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Garrett by all accounts is a disciplinarian

I don’t buy that at all. I think the fact that we opened things up for Romo in 2007 was a really good thing.

I saw plenty of bad decisions by Romo in 2006 that defenses didn’t take advantage of (despite KC Joyner’s “bad decision” statistics saying otherwise. I’ve never been a believer that Romo’s struggles at points in 2008 -this year were due to the coaching staff.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Im really starting to think Garrett can be the guy. And I hope he gets next year at least to prove it.

He’s not a marshmallow, hes not an over the top screamer. He’s juuuuuusssst right. He just seems to me like he’s a steady hand. He’s positive, yet stern and organized. I love his enthusiam, and listening to his pressers, it sounds like he really truly prepares for every situation. Im buying in.

I hope he gets a new line, a pair of safeties, and a season to prove himself. I think were on to something.

OBSERVATION - EMOTION = COMMON SENSE

by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Nov 22, 2010 9:09 PM CST reply actions  

Sounds like a song...

There were chills up my spine
And some thrills I can’t define
Little wow, tell me now
How long has this been going on?

by BishopWest on Nov 22, 2010 9:51 PM CST reply actions  

Really BW?

Really????

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Kitna is a doing a good job at QB right now, but the reason this team has improved is that it has a higher confidence in itself.

Before Romo went down, this team always waited for Romo to give them the spark. Look at what happened in the first Giant’s game…how the air went out on this team when they realized Romo wasn’t coming back, and they were up 20-7 with momentum. This also happened when he went down in 09’.

Since Red Jesus took over, the players have been reminded to go out and make something happen. Every player realizes that they need to contribute for this team to win…Look at McCann…I could name a dozen players in each of the last two games that had key plays to help win. Did that happen before? No.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

yeah it's almost like the players are thinkin'

“well…tony will get us back within striking distance anyway.” like he does almost every time, but a dez drop here, barron hold there, etc. etc.

by blee on Nov 22, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

it hurt, but it wasn't the only problem.

The offense faced a minnesota secondary with half its players injured.

The defense surely played like garbage against the Bears, but Romo had poor throws that ended about 5 drives (see Raf’s blog).

Washington we pretty much lost on one play and Alex Barron’s awfulness. The D played really good football.

Romo played great ball against Houston and Tennessee, but the defense screwed them in the second game.

Overall, it was a team effort to get to 1-5. The D wasn’t terrible, but they weren’t good – we thought we had a top 5 unit and they were more like 15-20.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you consider blowouts?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I define it as games that are out of control before the 4th quarter actually begins...

My point is that with Romo, we are usually in most games…there’s always a chance. I would categorize the 44-6 loss to the Eagles as a blowout…we were out of it early.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 10:52 PM CST up reply actions  

How about the Vikings game last year?

The Saints game in 2006 was a beatdown, too.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Romo is also

a master at keeping the lead (though Garrett and the Oline deserve credit for this too – for whatever reason this line run blocks much better than we are winning).

There are countless times that a game has been close and Romo has led a scoring drive to open it up giving us a 2 score lead. He has less comebacks than other qbs overall because hes so good when we have the lead.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't swiping at Romo

…just getting some clarity.

Settle.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You know who I've noticed?

Bradie James.

He’s playing like a much younger man.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions  

The list goes on...Sean Lee forces fumble...Scandrick actually playing tough and making good tackles...

Roy Williams not scoring the last 2 games, but still having key 1st downs in scoring drives…2 off the street Defensive Linemen not stinking it up and holding their own…Felix looking explosive again…Barber making 4th and shorts…the list goes on and on…they’re not spectating but going out and making something happen.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Its amazing how a change in defensive approach can bring this up

when you stop bringing 6 every play, you take a lot less pressure on your secondary, which can keep players in front of them. The result is cbs who are so much quicker to the ball now and a unit that can actually CREATE turnovers.

Some will attribute the defensive turnaround to Garrett, but I think the Xs and Os have been just as important. I don’t think it is a coincidence that we’ve probably doubled the number of turnovers we’ve forced since Wade was fired.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

We're now forcing QB's to read the defense, with Wade we were blitzing but not getting there, which allowed

QB’s to get easy throws to their hot reads. It’s just plain stubborn to keep blitzing when you never get to the quarterback.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny how little Ware's name is being called

…I wonder if he is upset.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That is a problem...Demarcus is one of the reasons we were 1-7, but since he doesn't have the QB title,

no one gave him crap about it…he should have gotten crap since he is considered by many to be our best player…

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 11:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I do...

until you disagree with me.

At that point you just sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

That’s on the rest of the line.

DeMarcus has 8.5 sacks, not top of the line NFL stats but decent for his production.

He’s been getting double teamed by a guard and a tackle, since the rest of the line has been so completely ineffective. Seriously, along with Ratliff getting extra attention, someone – anyone has to step up and make a play.

by G_SWAG on Nov 22, 2010 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't say DeMarcus sucked, just pointing out that perpectives are skewed...

…but with that said, with the moniker of the best pass rusher in the league, I expect him to dominate even when he is double teamed.

by CaliFanInTx on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

I believe Ware and Spencer made a conscious decision to pin their ears back and rush the passer to create turnovers. The result was a hole in our run defense. That is completely inexcusable – Wade may be at fault too, cause my guess is he promoted that.

But this teams problem early in the year was that its A+ players weren’t playing that way. Ware is a HOF caliber player and he was losing gap assignments. Witten may be our second best player, but his mistakes hurt us. Our normally reliable DEs had a few poor games too.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Did you ever think you'd be harping on Ware's play?

It’s a new low.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Nov 22, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

if I don't do it from now on

I’ll forgive and forget. I haven’t found much wrong the last two weeks in his run D honestly. Also, I think its important to realize without Wade’s heavy blitzing, Ware’s sack numbers will go down.

by foyesboys on Nov 22, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions  

He was pressing, trying to do too much.
Ware is a HOF caliber player and he was losing gap assignments.

My impression only, but I think Ware takes his leadership status seriously and was overcommitting by being too aggressive and not staying with his assignment. Happens sometimes.

Now he’s focusing on his task, one great day at a time, etc.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Nov 23, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

thats my impression too

I am absolutely willing to forgive him if things change. One bad stretch where the team was struggling badly defensively isn’t enough for me to lose faith in Demarcus Ware.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

The way I see it about our offense and Kitna/Romo:

If it is playing this well under Kitna, imagine what it will look like after Romo gets back and shakes the rust off.

by mdlusk on Nov 23, 2010 2:56 AM CST reply actions  

hopefully he can do that quickly...

In 2008 I think he may’ve been rushed back a little – his accuracy wasn’t the same the Washington and Pitt games.

With reports out now that he’ll miss at least 3 more weeks, I’m not sure that we shouldn’t just put him on IR instead of bringing him back late in the season.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

This Romo/Kitna thing is actually pretty typical

when there’s success, fans endow the players and team with legendary leadership and football prowess. When there’s failure they do the opposite. But it’s an illusion. Kitna sure didn’t do anything magical with his play in the first couple of outings.

Kitna didn’t turn the game around, McCann did. That play inspired a team that probably was ready to cash it in. Kitna is a very good back-up QB, probably good enough to be starting somewhere else. And his gritty toughness and likeability is certainly a style of leadership. So is leading by example as Romo apparently does. White Wolf is right – you can learn from other player’s success and Romo is probably picking up some pointers as this progresses. But the fact that they have played some inspired ball doesn’t magically reveal superior leadership skills in anyone.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 23, 2010 7:08 AM CST reply actions  

well said, Garrett has been the difference in the Cowboys, not Kitna

If Romo doesn’t get hurt, the Giants and Lions games would have never been close at any point in those games, they would have been big time blowouts. As well as Kitna has played, he still has left some plays on the field Romo wouldn’t.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 23, 2010 8:03 AM CST up reply actions  

sorry pressed the ENTER too early..

i was meaning to say that you typically don’t seem to have any evidence to follow up your statements

by thejanusman on Nov 23, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Watch the games over

There were throws Kitna missed that Romo makes, it’s that simple. The one example of a play that comes to mind is the play Kitna trips on his own feet near the goal line resulting in a FG, that wouldn’t happen with Romo.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 23, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

No sense of irony at all

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by Seanrude on Nov 23, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

yea I agree with you there

I think this leadership argument is kinda silly. We weren’t saying Kitna was a good leader when we were getting blasted in the first 2 games.

Well actually, watching the press conferences, I liked the guy right away, but I think thats just because hes pretty honest with the press, while Romo (rightfully) tends to not say anything significant.

I don’t know if Jason Garrett should get all the credit either. I see a perfect storm kinda thing. A team with a backup qb playing really terrible football with nothing to lose combined with a coach. They needed a new start, Garrett gave it to them and for whatever reason, when they have grabbed momentum the last two weeks, they haven’t let it go. There haven’t been killer kick returns for tds. When faced with 3rd and long inside the red zone, the draw play works to perfection. Kitna bombing the ball to our wrs in the Giants game, and we caught it. No tipped ball INTs. A perfectly timed screen pass. And a significant defensive strategy change that has really helped out a struggling pass rush and secondary.

by foyesboys on Nov 23, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Kitna

I just dislike the media (and many fans’) obsession with trying to assess leadership from a 1000 miles away. First, we don’t know and we cant tell. And neither can Steve Young or Meshawn. They don’t live with the team and they have no idea what the dynamics are. Second, no player is REQUIRED, but position or otherwise, to be a leader. Leadership stems from so many technical and personal attributes that it’s almost impossible to define, let alone project onto someone. So what if Kitna weren’t a leader? Is a competent QB? Cool. That’s what he’s paid to be. And where leader exists, there is no one “best kind”. I think Joe Montana is the greatest QB in the modern era. Ever see him froth at the mouth or grab face masks? In fact, he’s famous for coming into the huddle to start “The Drive” and joking about seeing John Candy in the stands. He worked hard, mastered his position and his team believed in him. What more do you need?

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Nov 23, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

The most obvious and pressing leadership, and one which may exert a greater force on the team than Kitna – is going to be Jason Garrett’s.

by G_SWAG on Nov 23, 2010 5:57 PM CST up reply actions  

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