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A Fumble = One mistake.

It's as simple as that, it's just one mistake and when you have this amount of mistakes in a game:

- Poor man coverage from the best man coverage guy on the team.

- Poor support from the FS.

- A couple of mistakes by the Center.

- A handful of mistakes from the OLBs, I thought that we wouldn't see them pressing to make sacks after the switch to Pasqualoni and that they would be more concerned about their contain and picking up screens.

- And a couple of mistakes from the Head Coach.

One mistake isn't the difference between losing or winning a game, it's just one mistake.

Star-divide

About the Fumble.

This comment sums it all up:

Good defensive play for sure

But it’s still Roy’s fault.

by Dezstroyer88 on Nov 26, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

What would have Dez done in such a play? He has 2 Fumbles, so he can cough up the ball. And he's the type of guy that tries to score in every catch, so he wouldn't have thought about surrendering and fall down at contact.

Would you be asking for his head?

I don't think so.

BTW, I don't think that Roy Williams will have a star on his helmet next year. Dez and Miles should be the starters, they just need to find a 3rd wheel, maybe Hurd and Miles in the slot.

Romo should play as soon as health allows it.

The team is asking top effort from all of the starters in order to have a good idea of what needs to happen in the offseason (rehiring Garrett or looking for another Coach, looking for Coordinators, the Draft and Free Agency).

Why should things be different when we talk about the QB?

Because we know that he plays at a really high level when he has a chance? What about Ratliff, Ware, Free and Witten?

If this team really wants to set an example, they shouldn't differentiate anything, from top to bottom. If the starter is healthy, the guy should play.

I'm looking for another 4-man front pass rusher.

I'm guessing that the team's Draft position is going to be between pick 10 and 15 and I'm looking for a 3-4 DE with that pick and that's because you just have to look at the Nickel and Dime schemes to see that they can't do it, they can't get to the QB.

A CB would be great, but if a QB like Brees has 5 seconds in the pocket, he's going to burn anyone at the level of Reeves and bellow (pretty much all NFL CBs).

Teams are afraid of Ware and Ratliff, but that's it. Spencer is strong, but he isn't fast enough to manage consistent sacks. Bowen and Hatcher can't do it in one-on-one. Brent has shown some flashes, but he's a NT rookie.

I want something better, I'm looking at Cameron Jordan and Nick Fairley. Leave OLine for the 2nd Round.

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I think Nick Fairley is close.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 26, 2010 5:15 PM CST reply actions  

What that meant to say was....

I think he would be close to around where we select.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 26, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

and I’m looking for a 3-4 DE

Hip Hip Hooray!!

Yes, a DE that can rush the passer … Dallas needs 2 of them in fact.

I get why people want Peterson. The pass defense is a mess … so Dallas needs DB. I think that logic is wrong though.

The best defenses I remember: 1985 Bears and the 1990 Eagles. And the defining feature of both of the defenses were their DL. Dent, McMichael, Perry, and Hampton in Chicago and White, Simmons, and Jerome Brown in Philly. You want a great defense you need a great DL. You have DL that are going to drop the QB unless they get double-teamed and blitzes look a whole lot better.

Fairley looks pretty good … reminds me of Leon Lett. I’ll be very curious to see the combine results for these guys.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 26, 2010 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think that they need 2

With Ware and Ratliff you have 2 guys that can defeat double teams in a consistent basis. I also like Spencer, he is far away from Ware when we talk about speed, but he’s stronger. Unfortunately, for Ware, a lot of sacks come from his insane speed, so Spencer’s numbers take a hit due to that. But pressures are nice.

The problem is that Spears, Bowen, Hatcher and Brent can’t help them, they just can’t.

One more guy that can bring the heat, just pressures (like Spencer), would be great.

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Nov 26, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Spencer

will never be what we wanted him to be. Time to give that up.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 26, 2010 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t think that they need 2

2 would be ideal. Start with Igor .. and it would be nice to upgrade Hatcher / Bowen as well.

I also like Spencer, he is far away from Ware when we talk about speed, but he’s stronger

It’s not straight line speed. Spencer’s 40 was almost equal to Ware’s (4.70 at Spencer’s pro-day vs. 4.65 for Ware).

The difference is agility and explosion (i.e. short shuttle and vertical). Ware had a combine record (for his position) short shuttle 4.07 and 38 inch vert vs 4.43 and 32 for Spencer.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 26, 2010 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Ware just has that wiggle that Spencer doesn’t. I am personally happy to see that it seems like Victor Butler is getting more time on the field. His combine times were actually worse than Spencer’s, but he seems to have a good bit more agility and wiggle than Spencer does. Hopefully, whoever is our next DC will be able to get more out of Spencer.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 26, 2010 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully, whoever is our next DC will be able to get more out of Spencer.

I’m not holding my breath. After 4 years I think Spencer is who we think he is.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's a Carl Banks and Ware is a LT

You just have to ask a Giants fan in the 80s how important Banks was in those years for their teams and he’s going to tell you that he was one of their most consistent players, even if he didn’t had the sacks to make it easy to see.

Spencer is a really good player and teams respect him with consistent double teams, too.

I’m not strictly in favour of more sacks, I would gladly take more pressures as the prize, because the team has 3 guys that can bring consistent pressure and that’s it. A 4th one would be great.

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
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by Chandus on Nov 27, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

drafttek's online simulation

has us taking Da’ Quan Bowers, that would be nice

by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 26, 2010 5:46 PM CST reply actions  

Does he really fit a 3-4 though?

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by Iron Fist on Nov 26, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah he seems to be a pure 4-3 guy. Now if somehow we get a DC that likes the 4-3,

I think he would be a perfect choice.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 26, 2010 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that is very likely.

Bowers has put up very good stats this year and he is going to destroy the combine. I definitely could see him being the top pick if Andrew Luck doesn’t come out.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 26, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry to double post but

what was the hype surrounding Marcus Spears when he came out? What about Jason Hatcher? We spent high picks on these guys and both turned out to be disappointments. I just want to know the risks for drafting another lineman high

by somebodyquiet on Nov 26, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Hatcher was a 4th rounder right?

There are risks with anyone.

I don’t think Spears was overdrafted, he was picked where he was slotted, he just ended up being OK and nothing else.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 26, 2010 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

the key is can the guy get sacks.

Oddly, Spears was a decent pass rusher at LSU (9, 6, and 3 sacks) in his senior, junior, and sophmore season. However, that didn’t translate to the NFL (although his 31 inch vertical was a hint that he might not have the explosiveness to cut it at the NFL level).

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 26, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

You aren’t going to get every guy right.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 1:02 AM CST up reply actions  

for comparison, Mario Williams had a 40 inch vertical.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 26, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

3rd rounder

but I thought he was a 2nd rounder so that’s why I thought we had invested so much already.

by somebodyquiet on Nov 27, 2010 1:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Cowboys are going to get 2 high picks (counting the high 2nd rounder)

They need pass rush, sure.
But man they need a safety.
And man they need OLine.

If they pick top 5, the main thing is get 2 impact guys. Take best available at those positions, go for the sure thing. Even CB, or a LB like HIghtower to take over inside.

I’m all for best player available, especially at these high picks. Do you stretch for a pass rusher over as sure a bet as you can get in the secondary or OL? I wouldn’t.
Besides WR, QB, and RB (and maybe OLB) there’s not a position they can’t upgrade.

Impact players on D, or stud OL, whatever’s sitting there after the other teams pick!

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by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 1:13 AM CST reply actions  

Do you stretch for a pass rusher over as sure a bet as you can get in the secondary or OL? I wouldn’t.

You’ve got it backwards. I think most people are saying DL because this is a really strong class of DL. If Dallas is picking around 10 the BPA is likely to be DL. Dallas would be stretching to take an OL.

And man they need OLine.

I know everyone takes this as axiomatic … but have you noticed that even with Kitna the offense hasn’t fallen apart.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 7:34 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cowboys already have a LT

Between picks 1 to 15 in the First Round you have the perfect spots to take a Franchise LT. The Cowboys don’t need one, they have a huge need for a RG and RT… And they can take a perfectly capable guy between pick 40 and 50.

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Nov 27, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

And they can take a perfectly capable guy between pick 40 and 50.

Assuming the Front Office gets it’s collective head out it’s collective ass, and gets someone who knows how to grade Offensive Linemen

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by Seanrude on Nov 27, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

Yeah, we’re all hopeful that they can manage to translate their successes in rating 1st Round OLine to the other Rounds… They say that hope isn’t a plan, but there’s not much left for us to do…

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Nov 27, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

How many years have we heard that??

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Like the trading down

this team has left a lot of talent on the board through the years.
Last year he finally trades up, and lo and behold, you get a player who makes a difference.

If JJ trades down out of a top pick I’ll scream.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Moral victories don't satisfy.

by BishopWest on Nov 27, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

for me it would depend on what he traded down for...

If the Players that we had targeted got drafted a Jerry traded down to the Late first early second and picked up an extra 3rd/2nd in the process I wouldn’t be to mad at him

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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Nov 27, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup, but I have a feeling he won't this time. I don't disagree with the

folks that say he needs to take a blue chip pass rusher, but after that, O line.

by Fernie67 on Nov 27, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh, forget that last bit. It's not even about Romo. The O was awful for a couple of weeks

after Romo went down, but they have gained some control again. So, what IS your point about the O line? You’re right that it’s axiomatic that the Cowboys cannot stand pat there again. And I don’t mean waiting until the 6th or 7th round.

by Fernie67 on Nov 27, 2010 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Are you seriously arguing that they don’t go O line?

Dallas’s pass efficiency is 7th in the league … better if you adjust for opponent strength. That’s good enough to be a playoff team.

On the other hand, Dallas’s defensive pass efficiency is 29th in the league. That is simply fatal. Dallas will not get over .500 until they do better than that.

7th … 29th …

So yes, I seriously believe that the OL is not Dallas’s biggest problem.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s not the O-line, and it’s not the secondary either. The Cowboys’ biggest issue is the D-line. I have a post scheduled to go up today or tomorrow arguing that at length.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

OCC

I know Kitna has been playing QB and isn’t the most mobile QB, but don’t you think Romo shadowed some of the o-lines trouble with his ability to shake off defenders and miss would be sacks?

The defensive line is an issue and I agree. I actually believe that if we improve the defensive line we’ll create a lot more turnovers. And it would help our secondary with little improvement at all. Why? Because getting to the QB makes him throw the ball a lot earlier than he wants to. Leading to mistakes.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Romo kept a lot of plays alive that should have rightfully been over. It’s already forgotten to a large extent, but outside of the Titans game, Romo was sacked only once in his six starts this season.

Kitna was sacked 9 times in his first three games, but interestingly has been sacked only three times in the last three games. However, I personally believe this has lot more to do with Garret playing round the O-line’s weaknesses than any strong play by the O-line. And while I don’t give Kitnas mobility any credit, that dude is a really, really savvy veteran – I think he’s gotten out of some tight spots by on experience and intelligence alone.

The disproportionately high use of ‘heavy formations’ is a dead giveaway: Garret is forcing opponents to honor the run, thereby allowing some opportunities in the passing game. Exhibit A: The high number of throws to Witten.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Then why would argue that it's not the O line. They're bad and have

to be schemed for. How many years are they going to be overlooked?

by Fernie67 on Nov 27, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

good point

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Pick the best player available, regardless of need. Sort them out on the field and trade the weak link or the player that fetches the best deal. That’s what the best organizations do. There are no top 20-25 OLinemen or safeties in the upcoming ‘11 draft, so don’t force one because you have a need there. The best coaches are those who know what players to pick for their system AND those who know how to bend their system to fit their players. The same goes for the organisation. If a stud falls into our lap at OLB or D-line or Corner, take him and figure out the best way to make it work.

by Gmunny on Nov 29, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

p.s. chicago is 7-3 with an OL that is much much worse than Dallas’s.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I’ve also watched Cutler take a pounding.

If your #1 priority is not allowing your QB to get hit then OL is obvious. If your #1 priority is winning games, then I’d say fixing the pass defense is priority #1.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

You're the one who is all about the pass. You don't think protecting

the QB feeds into that? And I’ll say it again, I’m not arguing against taking a DE early; hell, the Cowboys have spent high draft picks on the D for years (without a whole lot of tangible results at this point), and I haven’t fussed much. I’ve pointed out again and again that the D’s deficiencies this year, and, yes, last year, to an extent, left the O with long fields that have been hard to overcome. But to argue against placing a high priority on the O line absolutely baffles me.

by Fernie67 on Nov 27, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You’re the one who is all about the pass.

Correct. And I also think pass defense is just as important as passing offense. So when I see the 7th ranked offensive passing efficiency and the 29th ranked defensive passing efficiency I think the pass defense is limiting factor.

But to argue against placing a high priority on the O line absolutely baffles me.

this might just be semantics. i think in terms of scarce resources. Dallas has one 1st round pick. What should they use it on? My belief is improving the pass defense will make the largest difference in wins & losses. Improve the OL as well if you can but fix the pass defense first because it’s possible to win games with an attrocious OL (see Chicago) but its not possible to win with a bad pass defense.

I feel like the average Dallas fan has incredibly low expectations of what a good NFL defense should do because they’ve suffered with an average D for so long. You know that when the NYJ played GB they ran a fake punt on 4&18 from their own 20!! I can’t even imagine Dallas doing they because they can’t trust the D to stop anyone … and definitely not GB.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess we do agree then. Not so much about the atrocious O line,

because it can’t be neglected anymore, but I agree about the D, and it’s not just a saying that D wins championships. It’s true. I’ve also argued that one of the biggest things that could help Romo besides some upgrades on the O line is a D he can trust.

by Fernie67 on Nov 27, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Big Ben, Eli, Sanchez, Flacco

thrive late in the year “NOT REALLY” but their defenses make them look great because they win games.

Big D believes - One game at a time, Have a great Day.

Fan of the MFY

by Jeterian 2 on Nov 28, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions  

that may be true

too early for me to start following the draft like that. But if so, then go for it.
Just don’t take a guy rated at 8 at DL over a 10 at OL or DB, if it works out that way.
It all depends on where we’re picking and what the teams in front take first, right?

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Larry

would you take Patrick Peterson or Prince Amukamara? That is if you want a first round CB.

What about selecting a top offensive linemen with the early 2nd round pick? Would any top guys be left? I think I rather select the top tier offensive linemen, but since it seems that Peterson or Prince will be the best CB’s of the draft I would make sure we have a shot at one of them if they’re on the board. Pending on our draft position of course.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Gabe Carimi(RT), Nate Solder(LT/RT), Joseph Barksdale(LT/RT), Marcus Cannon(RT/G), Stefan Wisniewski(G/C) and Mike Pouncey(G/C)...

all have a good chance of being around at the top of the 2nd round.

Carimi, Solder and Wisniewski are getting enough hype they could move into the bottom of the 1st. But, that still leaves some very good OT, G and C prospects available.

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by lonewolfz28 on Nov 27, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I did see Puncey play one game, and he looked horrible

and worse than Gurode at the shotgun snap.
Besides having the same name as his brother, is he really that good?

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by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

As a Guard who can play a little Center...

yes.

As a Center that can play a little Guard…No.

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by lonewolfz28 on Nov 27, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Good question, but I don't claim to be an expert on college players

I don’t have time on Saturdays. Although Fairley looked pretty good for Auburn at DL as I threw up watching my Bama team fumble the game away yesterday.

I don’t disagre with Chandus and CoolCC that a great DL player would help. But I’d rather see them target the best guy left when they pick rather than lock in one position. That leads to trouble. I’m hoping the Cowboys lose out, to tell the truth, and get a high pick. If they’re gonna go down, might as well get a top 5 pick out of it.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't like losing, but I respect the opinion.

You’re one of the better posters here. thanks for the answer. Working on a post right now.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting perspective...
One mistake isn’t the difference between losing or winning a game, it’s just one mistake.

Tell that to Romo’s detractors, because any mistake he makes is deemed the reason for a loss, no matter what else has happened. Me? I’m with you. RW made a bad mistake, but there were plenty to go around, from Kitna’s INT that ended in a Saints field goal, to horrible safety play, to Newman’s blunder that gave the Saints great field position to get their final score.

Romo should play as soon as health allows it.

I’m torn on this one. On the one hand, he’s made it clear he wants to play this year if he can, and I’d like to see him back out there. On the other, is it worth risking re-injury? And I’d ask the same question about any player, from top to bottom.

I’m looking for another 4-man front pass rusher.

Can’t argue with this, but if they don’t strongly address the O line in this next draft, I won’t be responsible for my actions.

by Fernie67 on Nov 27, 2010 2:57 AM CST reply actions  

Pressure solves a lot of problems

Couldn’t agree more. Pick up some O-line help in free agency, draft a solid O-line prospect in the 2nd or 3rd, but we absolutely need a blue chipper on the d-line.

Insert a blue chipper into our d-line who can get consistent pressure on the QB and I guarantee that everybody will be much happier with our secondary, even with the current personnel.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

I'm with this line of thinking

Better hope the guy we draft is a stud though. If we draft another Spencer we’re in trouble.

By the way, I’ve already deemed Teddy Williams as my pet cat for 2011. I’m really interested to see what the kid has learned. I recall him looking very fluid. If a guy of his size and speed can put things together, woah buddy! It may be a long shot but I believe!

by Dezstroyer88 on Nov 27, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Of the opinion our OLIne and FS issues

impact overall performance of the Offensive and Defensive units disproportionately.

On O – our gameplanning,situational playcalling and in-game tactics are compromised

On D – mass confusion in our Defensive backfield, disproportionate amount of big plays and players out of position trying to overcome the obvious deficiencies.

IMO – bad DE play causes heartburn for the OLB’s, bad Safety play is simply catastrophic. We’ve also seen under WP’s scheme, QB pressure/sacks does not necessarily generate successful Pass Defense.

The thinking that we can draft a DE high because the crop is rich and an OL in the 8-15 range will be a reach is precisely the kind of logic that has us where we are. You simply can’t defer replenishing top talent indefinitely. The Top 1/3 of the teams can afford BPA, the rest fill needs.

Would Garrett pick the unit coaches if we got rid of Campo? How much influence/control would the DC have. Also believe Garrett needs to give up OC – if nothing else, free him of the burden to focus on the overall. He can still have playcalling, plenty of HC’s do that.

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by tdships on Nov 27, 2010 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

For those who follow these college players, is there a safety out there good enough to take top 10?

Roy Williams before he became, well, Roy Williams?

Because having a quick and hard-hitting safety helps everyone out too. I can remember about 2 dropped passes a game by opposing teams when young RW was pounding people. Their heads were on a swivel.

It would help these CB’s and the LB’s in the middle to have a real safety for a change.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

oh yeah

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Patrick Peterson

He’s 6’1" and 222lbs and runs in the 4.3 range so he has the size and range. He could be the next Ed Reed/Brian Dawkins/Darren Sharper at Safety if a team wanted to go that route instead of taking full advantage of his CB skills.

After that, you drop all the way down to late 1st/early 2nd for Deunta Williams. He’s actually smaller than Peterson at 6’2" 210lbs, but has played Safety throughout his college career and is a ball hawk type that actually can tackle. He got into trouble and was suspended for 4 games this season for receiving extra benefits. So a slight character issue there.

Then it’s down to solid mid-2nd or lower for Rahim Moore (UCLA) and DeAndre McDaniel (Clemson).

There aren’t any real Eric Berry/Earl Thomas/Taylor Mays Safety types in the 1st this year unless someone really stands out between now and the draft.

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by lonewolfz28 on Nov 27, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

At such a high pick I'd like to know for sure where a guy is going to play

He’s always played CB and might not be excited to change.
On the other hand, even at CB w/Jenkins/Scandrick/Newman, you can always use another player there.

Then maybe he could switch.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

STOP

trying to convert corners to Safety. While some of these safeties have the physical characteristics of a prototypical safety, and yes, there have been some successful conversions in history, there have been far mor failures. The mentality and use of those physical tools is different between the tow positions. Plus, in today’s football, where picks in the first 3 or 4 rounds are expected to start and be good, it is simply a poor decisions to take a guy with the intent of converting him from the position that made him a top draft prospect in the first place.

Pick the best player available, regardless of need. Sort them out on the field and trade the weak link or the player that fetches the best deal. That’s what the best organizations do. There are no top 20-25 OLinemen or safeties, so don’t force one because you have a need there. The best coaches are those who know what players to pick for their system AND those who know how to bend their system to fit their players. The same goes for the organisation. If a stud falls into our lap at OLB or D-line or Corner, take him and figure out the best way to make it work.

by Gmunny on Nov 29, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Back up...

the man asked if there were any Safeties good enough to be picked in the Top 10. I basically told him the closest thing to that would be taking Peterson and converting him. I in no way, shape or form condoned it. I even made a comment “if a team wanted to go that route instead of taking full advantage of his CB skills”.

So step off the pulpit.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Nov 30, 2010 12:47 AM CST up reply actions  

And here's my overall thinking-if the Cowboys keep losing and get a top 5 or 6 pick

I don’t care as much about the position as I do that he’s an impact player.
If he’s a DL, he’d better be in there as a rookie causing plays.
If he’s a safety or CB, he’s playing a lot and causing some havoc.
If he’s OL, he definitely steps right in and solidifies 1/5 of the line.

I have to admit that the Dez pick, although I’ll wait to se how he does over 3 years, was an impact pick. He’s making plays and changing games.

If this team picks high, just give me an impact player. And putting me in minority, I’d rather it be a safety than anything else, to tell the truth.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 1:09 PM CST reply actions  

The problems is that there's no high profile Safety in this year

McDaniel, Clemson, is drawing some comparisons to the Eagles rookie (Nate Allen) and I’ve seen him play, he looks good out there, he’s got a lot of range and showed that he could find the ball in the air. He’s a high 2nd Round prospect, IMO.

The Cowboys need a player like that, Sensabaugh is decent but has zero instincts. Ball is pretty bad, though.

But they also need help on the right side of the OLine, I’m confident that they will take one this year because there is an overload of young talent that looks like RT-RG capable starters, lonewolfz mentioned a few names, but a guy that I’m starting to really like is:

Jason Pinkston, LT, Pittsburgh. His technique is sound and he’s still green, he made the move from DT to Tackle in his 2nd year in Pittsburgh, and he has good feet. He makes me think NFL Guard, a better prospect than what Ducasse was.

And he should be available in the high 2nd.

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Nov 27, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Other than the safety rathering

with you on the overall thinking.

It's why you play the game.

by tanstaafl on Nov 28, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Not in draft mode

But from reading all you guys’ comments, here and elsewhere, think my thought’s changing (changed?) to the DL top-priority camp. Whether it’s shuffling the DL to integrate whatever prospect/player, scheme adjustment, whatever, the QB pressure argument’s inarguable (to me) unless the D as a whole simply doesn’t allow points. Period. It’s key.

Comes down to how do you keep the other guy off the board. And you’re looking for answers, debating details. Good for you. All of you.

All your comments, OCC’s numbers in article on this (thanks OCC, hadn’t looked at those details till then), everything, it’s thought-provoking. While I’d be interested in the numbers in unrealistically excruciating detail (pressures vs opponent’s pass protection stats, impact on run production (how’d you even measure that?), broken down by opponent’s playcalling vs ours and adjusted to point-in-time we played), I doubt it’d skew the results OCC’s arrived at significantly.

Thanks for all the food-for-thought.

That said, when I keep it simple, I still like Realist’s overall thinking above.

It's why you play the game.

by tanstaafl on Nov 28, 2010 11:53 AM CST reply actions  

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