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Cowboys Under Pressure To Bring Some Pressure

Quick, off the top of your head, which units on the 2010 Cowboys do you think have underperformed most this year? Chances are you’re thinking either O-Line or secondary. And for good reason.

The Cowboys rank 30th in the league with a 101.4 defensive passer rating. Opposing quarterbacks are regularly picking apart the Cowboys secondary. Cutler, Favre, Garrard and Rodgers all had either their best or second best season passer rating against the Cowboys.

And the O-line, while ranked a surprising 8th in sacks allowed (19), is ranked 23rd in rushing yards per attempt (3.8). A convincing argument can be made that Garrett’s extensive use of heavy formations is just a ruse designed to hide the pass blocking deficiencies of this line by forcing opposing defenses to play the run honestly.

After the break, we look at which unit may have had the biggest statistical drop-off in production, and it’s neither the O-line nor the secondary.

Star-divide

Wade's downfall

Wade Phillips’ Cowboys played what many consider a bend-but-don't-break style of defense. For the previous three seasons, what has kept those bends from becoming breaks has been the defense’s ability to get pressure on opposing quarterbacks. And the number of sacks generated by Wade's defenses seems to bear this out:

Cowboys Sacks 2007-2010

2007 2008 2009 2010
Sacks (Rank)
46 (3rd)
59 (1st) 42 (7th) 22 (13th)

Well, this season, the defense broke. The Cowboys’ 22 sacks so far this season somewhat obscure the fact that Dallas was largely incapable of generating pressure on the opposing QB under Phillips this season. Wade’s answer, and his ultimate downfall, was to rush more people, more often, in a desperate attempt to get any kind of pressure. When that didn’t work, the results were often devastating and left the secondary looking like a bunch of second class high school players.

The need for pressure

The talking heads can say all they want about how 'stopping the run' is the key to a successful defense. That may have been true twenty or thirty years ago, but repeating yesteryear’s mantras ad nauseam doesn’t make them any truer are any more relevant. The key to slowing down modern offenses is to get pressure on the passer.

If the quarterback is pressured or hurried, he's much more prone to make a mistake and turn the ball over or make enough bad passes to make the offense one dimensional. If you give any NFL quarterback enough time, he’s going to pick you apart. Pressure him, force him into making a decision and the chances of the QB making a mistake go way up.

Quarterbacks in the NFL today get rid of the ball in 2.7 seconds on average. If you’re not in the quarterback’s face by that time, chances are he’s just completed a pass on your secondary. Give him more time and he's just lobbed a 60-yard bomb past your safety and into the arms of a streaking receiver.

Traditionally, the success of a team's pass rush has been measured by sacks. But considering the limited time the ball is in the quarterback's hands in modern offenses these days, just penetrating the pocket and pressuring the QB to throw early must be considered a success for the defense. So to get a true feel for the effectiveness of the pass rush, you’ve got to measure a defense’s ability to pressure the quarterback, either in form of hits, hurries or other pressures.

In addition to sacks, the NFL record keepers also measure quarterback hits, which is one way to approximate how much pressure a defense is bringing. Here are the official NFL numbers through week twelve for each of the last three seasons:

Sacks & QB Hits through week 12, 2008-2010

2008 2009 2010
Sacks
33 29 22
QB Hits 63 63 49

Okay, so the number of sacks drops by a third, or about one per game, and the number of hits is down by a little over one per game. Doesn't seem like all that much of a drop-off, right? Particularly given that the Cowboys are 3-8 this season and were 8-3 last season at the same time. So let's dig a little deeper.

The absence of pressure in 2010

The Cowboys keep their own statistics based on the coaching film that they review. These statistics usually differ slightly from the official NFL records, but importantly for our purposes, these records include a stat-line called 'QB Pressures'. Where the NFL's QB hits are a pretty objective measure (the QB either got hit or he didn't) 'QB Pressures' are a bit more subjective, but I'll assume the Cowboys staff are consistent in applying this measure. Here's how the first twelve weeks of each of the last three seasons look like on the coaching film:

Sacks & Pressures through wk 11, 2008-2010

2008 2009* 2010
Sacks
28 22 20
QB Pressures 93 118 63

(*Note: I only have the data from the coaching film through week 10 of 2009, '08 and '10 are through week 11). What we see here is a significant drop off in pressures. Consider that this is data for 10 games: This year the Cowboys have averaged six pressures and two sacks per game. Last year that number was at about 12 pressures and two sacks. Six more uncontested throws this year versus last year per game will make any defense look bad. The inability of the Cowboys defense to generate pressure on the opposing QB is a significant reason for this year's awful record.

In the next and final step, we look at the position groups to understand where the pressure is still coming from, and where it's mysteriously gone missing:

Sacks & Pressures through wk 11, 2008-2010

QB Pressures Sacks
POS
2008 2009* 20102008 2009* 2010
DBs
4 0 2 2 0 2
DEs
32 49 15 2 5 3
DTs
24 20 5 6 4 1.5
LBs
9 10 5 4 6 1
OLBs
24 39 36 14 7 12.5

The defensive line combined for 69 pressures through nine games last year. This year, the Cowboys' defensive line has accumulated just 20 pressures through ten games. That is a meltdown of gigantic proportions. The Cowboys need more pressure from the defensive linemen, especially in the middle. If they can't get a sack, at least provide some pressure and make the quarterback step up in the pocket, move or hurry his throw.

I don't know how the coaches are going to evaluate this performance, and the reasons behind it. But I do know that players - not schemes - make a defense go. Spears, Bowen and Hatcher are all free agents next year and Olshansky has a cap salary of $5.1 M next season that could possible be reinvested better elsewhere. Based on the numbers above, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Cowboys decided go for a defensive lineman with their first pick in the draft and shore up the O-line in later rounds and via free agency.

The defensive line has to be the secondary’s best friend. If the Cowboys’ defensive line can't put pressure on opposing quarterbacks, the secondary is going to go chasing after opposing receivers all day and end up looking stupid and incompetent in the process. If receivers are running around all day, it doesn’t matter if you have two Pro Bowl corners, you won't be able to cover anybody. Even a Patrick Peterson wouldn't help one little bit if the line doesn't bring the pressure.

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Truth has arrived.
If the Cowboys’ defensive line can’t put pressure on opposing quarterbacks, the secondary is going to go chasing after opposing receivers all day and end up looking stupid and incompetent in the process.

Moral victories don't satisfy.

by BishopWest on Nov 27, 2010 12:03 PM CST reply actions  

The talking heads can say all they want about how ‘stopping the run’ is the key to a successful defense … The key to slowing down modern offenses is to get pressure on the passer.

This is the key IMO. Too many run-centric players. Igor, Spears, Brooking, James. Get DL who can rush the passer. Allow 4.8 YPC instead of 4.3. If the trade off is an improved pass defense its well worth it.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i’ll add:

1985 Bears: Dent, Hampton, McMichael
1990 Eagles: White, Simmons, Brown

common thread of the 2 best defenses I’ve ever seen: the DL.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

anthony spencer's inability to beat one-on-one blocking ....

….continues to cost us games. If he plays anywhere near what he played like last year we go from a pretty bad defense to a pretty good one. Now, we still have a lot of problems in the secondary, our linebackers can’t cover, etc. But if we don’t have to blitz to bring pressure, opposing QBs don’t have career days on us. Ratliff’s getting doubled teamed. So is Ware.

Still waiting, Anthony.

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Nov 27, 2010 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

How crazy would that be if we drafted Ryan Kerrigan

another DE/OLB Boilermaker

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

awww man ...

if we go back to well, I hope it pays dividends. Lol.

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by Tuna Helper on Nov 27, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Ehhhh. Not so high on him as a 3-4 OLB.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 27, 2010 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

In a fan post I made recently

I pointed out how Anthony Spencer and LaMarr Woodley have similar tackle numbers since both were drafted in 2007, however, LaMarr Woodley has 3 or 4 times as many sacks as Spencer. When you factor that in, I think it’s safe to assume that Woodely is also getting to the QB more times than Spencer is, since more opportunities increase your chance of getting a sack. I bring this up because I feel if Woodley is available as a free agent this off-season, we have to go out and sign him to play opposite Ware.

"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."

-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.

by Rohpuri on Nov 27, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

We all knew this-but why? Why?

Spencer is a mystery. Was last year just an aberration? Are we seeing the real player now, or will he play like that again?
Nothing to do about that, right? He’s going to be starting at OLB if they stay 3-4 for at least 2 more years. Anyone really want to draft another OLB with a high pick?

But, Ratliff. There’s something to actually say and do about him. He’s a quick strong player, but at the wrong position. How do they suddenly improve the pass rush next year? If they stay 3-4 they need a real NT, and then move Mr. Ratliff to DE. Even last year some people pointed out he can’t keep playing at NT. It’ll wear him down. Move him. Problem solved, at least partially.

Of course, they could drop this 3-4 that’s not really a 3-4, but I guess that’s a pipe dream.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Nov 27, 2010 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

This sounded very Andy Rooney like

"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."

-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.

by Rohpuri on Nov 27, 2010 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Spencer has been a disappointment

He’s the poster boy for the type of player that needs a fire lit under his ass which Wade didn’t have the ability to motivate.

I think if Garrett benches him for Butler a game or two, we might finally see him start playing better.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Nov 27, 2010 1:02 PM CST reply actions  

Great article

Thanks, O.C.C. Before reading this my thought was that we needed an offensive lineman or a defensive back, but you might have changed my tune a little. As far as Spencer goes, don’t we have to put Jenkins in the same category? I don’t think either one of them are going anywhere anytime soon, so I guess one of the keys moving forward will be getting them to play at last year’s level again.

by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Nov 27, 2010 1:10 PM CST reply actions  

Somewhere in between the two extremes

lies the truth. Which is more important? Stopping the run or pressuring the quarterback?

Both, please.

Which is more important? Food or water?

Of course, you might last a little longer going without food than without water. And you might last a little longer pressuring the quarterback. But if you can’t stop the run, why should anyone have to pass?

I think if OCC analyzed the Doomsday I or II defenses, he’d find they were better than average at both stopping the run and pressuring the quarterback. However, that might be complicated because the league probably didn’t count sacks back then.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Nov 27, 2010 1:15 PM CST reply actions  

Angus

What people don’t realize is that the best defenses in the NFL are geared to stop the pass first. stopping a team from being able to have an efficient passing attack and thus ensuring they lose the ANY/PA battle means you’re winning the game and the opponent whose playing from behind is unable to establish a balanced offense, thus you’ve stopped the run without having to stop the run. Teams with leads late in games tend to call more running plays on offense which allows them to inflate their rushing totals so it looks like the running game is the reason they won. Taking away the passing game makes it easier to tee off on the few run plays that are called when a team tries to run. That’s what made the Ravens and Buccaneers defenses really good. However, the converse is not true, just because a team is built to stop the run first and foremost doesn’t mean that team will be able to successfully defend against the pass since smart coaches would eschew trying to run all together and elect to have his QB go shotgun spread and attack the defense through the air: This is what the Patriots, Colts, and Saints do against any team who subscribes to stopping the run first mentality.

"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."

-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.

by Rohpuri on Nov 27, 2010 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought volume stats were pretty much useless

Would think adding opposing QB rating next to these pressure/sack lines over time could reveal the link you are contending.

I posted earlier, the deficiencies of an average to poor DE have limited impact on a Defense while those same shortcomings with a Safety(ies)are catastrophic to the entire Defense.

We have chosen a strategy of BPA over positional need for Safety and OLine during the last 10 years and continue to see the same results. Inevitably, we will wind up overpaying – either in FA, a draft stretch or both, but refusing to address it for the sake of a nice-sounding theory is willful ignorance.

We live life forwards and understand it backwards

by tdships on Nov 27, 2010 1:15 PM CST reply actions  

Off-topic

Gift for you Cowboy, Garrett, McCann supporters: Gift (click the link)

While we agree and disagree on things, we do have one thing in common.

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by tanstaafl on Nov 27, 2010 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

The secondary might not be as bad as we think.

Its not great, but the defensive line needs to pressure the opposing QB so he doesn’t have all day to throw. Nice post.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 1:24 PM CST reply actions  

We need 1 corner and 2 safeties. Newman is everybit as bad as we think he is Jenkins will be better next year

"The biggest thing we talked about is Going Forward. Like I said, the Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands at 4:15 on Sunday afternoon. We’ve got to get ready for them. So what we need to do is learn from what happened in the past and Go Forward, starting this morning with our meetings, our walk-throughs and our practice."

-Jason Garrett, November 10th, 2010.

by Rohpuri on Nov 27, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Dammit, OCC

You given more to think about re: draft. Re-evaluation.
Seriously, thanks. Good case.
Draft side waits for me. Focused on Indy. But this’s definitely post-season food-for-thought.

It's why you play the game.

by tanstaafl on Nov 27, 2010 1:54 PM CST reply actions  

either Marcel Darius, Nick Fairley would be nice additions to the d line

by cmttx on Nov 27, 2010 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

Spencer has been invisible this year, do we make a run at Lamar Woodley???

by cmttx on Nov 27, 2010 1:59 PM CST reply actions  

OCC, what came first, the chicken or the egg?

The Defensive line or the safety? The DL getting a lot more pressure helps out the secondary big time. It still doesn’t change the fact that FS play has been terrible. This needs to be addressed. Ratliff needs a legitimate backup and we need another DE. We also need another corner. Too many needs for the draft alone.

DE, Corner, FS, OG, OT, DT

Too many holes to fill. We need to address of these in Free Agency in order to get
back playoff material. My fingers are crossed!!

by torchindefenses on Nov 27, 2010 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

I think we should just take a OL in the first if we miss out on Peterson or Amukanamora

the only guy I would consider is Fairley, I really dont see whats so great about Dareus idk I watched him and I think Fairley is way more disruptive
if Tryon Smith comes out I think thats our draft pick

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 2:29 PM CST reply actions  

I really dont see whats so great about Dareus idk I watched him and I think Fairley is way more disruptive

if you’re basing that on yesterday’s game I can understand why. But you should know that Dareus has had much bigger games and it looked like he also was responsible for staying in his gap to keep containment on Cam Newton.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

Can’t judge a guy on one game.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

im judging what ive seen over the whole season

Ive watched Fairley and that guy is just disruptive
ive seen Dareus for a few years, Alabama is on all the time, but if I had my choice I would take Fairley thats just me
Ive never really seen a game where Dareus has just been extremely dominant
ive seen like 3 games this year from Fairley
I dont want to waste a pick this high to take another Marcus Spears

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Big difference in opinion on Dareus and Spears.

Spears was never considered a top 10 pick, Dareaus is in most circles.

His prescense opens up alot around the edges for the pass rushers and he’s hell in run containment.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Parcells loved Spears

Im just saying there similar coming out of college, Spears was a big name
I really dont want Dareus man
I understand it but I dont like it, this is a DEEP DE draft, it really is
look at all the names available at DE and DT

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

i get that. yesterday def threw some cold water on my enthusiasm for Dareus. I’ve seen better games from him and his stats are down this year.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

he's good really good

but if I can get my OT CB or Fairley over him I would do that

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

fair enough.

I’m very curious to see these guys’ combine numbers. hard to have a feel until they can be compared to players from prior years.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

well

I can tell you right now Dareus will blow up at the combine
he can run like a 4.4
Tryon Smith will blow up
I think somebody might fall in love with Fairley and Peterson too rightfully so
it works to our advantage if Cam Newton AJ Green Julio Jones Andrew Luck Jake Locker all are in the draft too
we dont need a WR and honestly really dont need a QB unless we pick 1st overall so a player we like should fall to us

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ll be looking at the short shuttle and vertical

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 27, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

speaking of OL TCU game is on soon

they have a real good tackle and center (Cannon and Kirkpatrick). Wouldn’t mind drafting both of them.

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Cannon...

is projected as a Guard though.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

probably

but we need one of those

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

True enough.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

He'd do fine...

as a RT too.

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by lonewolfz28 on Nov 27, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I like him alot in the 2nd round for RG

he is big like Leonard Davis but not so soft
Cannon in the 2nd and we make him a guard would be smart
if I see Holland at RG or LG next year then we seriously f’d up again

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm 'scouting' LSUs CB Patrick Peterson and DT Drake Nevis right now

Nevis just got another guys helmet stuck to his helmet, facemask to facemask. Nevis straightens up and basically rips the other guys helmet off, just with his neck and back strength, no hands. I like that, in a very passive-aggressive kind of way.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Nevis is a hair over six feet

Don’t know how good he would be in a 3-4 scheme

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

True, true

I’m not particularly excited by the game anyway. I just moved on to watch the latest episode of the Walking Dead.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is....

awesome.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Dave is from Atlanta

So I kinda expect him to pop up around a corner at any time.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Great show.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 27, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

6-4+ 290+ Long arms

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Chris Ballard from Iowa could be a guy in the second round we look at.

Some Iowa fans think he could be better than Clayborn.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 27, 2010 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't pay attention to USC

Is it size, technique or both?

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

either do I but Ive payed attention to him

big and athletic, everyone loves this guy and say if he comes out he is a top 15 pick easily

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Remember though...

he’s still not going to overtake 2 of the 3 qbs, peterson, the DE from Clemson, Prince, AJ Green, Fairely, and probably Daureis.

He’d have to jump alot of people who are pretty superior right now.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

LT's always fly up the boards

especially when he has one of those eye popping combines, added with our need for OL the pick is a no brainer
like I said unless Peterson Prince or Fairley or there which it looks like were gonna miss out on them currently we stand I think at 8th overall

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

But he's a RT not a LT

That carries a little less weight with it. Unless my news is wrong and he’s been switched

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

doesnt matter

we need a T either way
Columbo is bad and RT is very important
he could play LT if Free can move over to LT see what I mean

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It matters a ton....

If he’s projected as a RT he won’t be a top 10 pick, probably not even a first round pick. RT’s generally don’t go in the first round.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

im reading on him now

he’s played both RT and LT
so he is a LT
one guy says depending on the makeup of one’s line he can stay at LT or RT
another says he is a LT
this is cbsdraft

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree, actually him being a top 10 as opposed to a top 5

makes it easier to get him. The question becomes do we want to upgrade

Offense or Defense with the first round

And, if defense, do we want to upgrade Secondary or the Line first?

I would actually say
Peterson in the first

Derrek Sherod/Love/ Rahim Moore in the Second

and Mankins in FA

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

no way Sherrord of Moore are 2nd rd picks

Moore wont simply come out if he isnt a 1st and Sherrod is already a 1st
Carimi is a guy thats gonna move up too
OL always do and its a weak OL class

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you are underrating the amount of defensive talent that is going to push other guys down.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree it's simply a fact that it is harder to progress defensive talent than offesnive talent

Making the need for top level Defensive Talent a must. Higher Progressed Talent from the D will raise up in the draft especially since teams always want Elite Defenses

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

lol

im not
your talking about the #1 rated FS if he comes out and the 1st rated OT on everyones boards almost
LT’s FS’s of that caliber dont fall

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

like I said as long as we take a defensive guy or OL then im good

really doesnt matter because were going to get a stud
just no WR’s no RB’s for the love of god
build a OL or build up the defense thats how you win games

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not saying you are wrong...

but you can’t say your absolutely right either.

  1. safeties have fallen out of the first round quite a bit.

And I don’t think he’s the #1 rated OT in most peoples minds.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Blah

number 1 safeties.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

no I know man

but im saying he is the FS everyone would take first, there is always a FS taken in the 1st and right now Sherrod from almost every scouting service ive seen he is the guy
I watched him play 2 weeks ago and I would love to have him on my team

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Safeties fall all the time.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

true

we just need to go get one
if we go OL then S or CB then OL thats fine with me but just make sure you draft one in the 3rd or sign one in free agency

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think either Moore or the guy from UNC...

will be available #2.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Duenta Williams

is the FS I actually want because in regards to talent and draft position is a steal

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

personally

I love Raheem Moore but we can get a FS in the 2nd or 3rd or free ageny
but we need to get OL and Secondary in the draft
time to go get a OL and FS
this is what we all wanted for a long time I think
Alan Ball is pathetic man he is a sad excuse and I cant believe we didnt have a backup plan
thats the reason he still starts, because we never had plan B
its was Alan Ball or fail and we failed badly

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure this is what you were talking about,

but since 2000, only one draft (’08) had more O-linemen taken in the first round than D-linemen. Overall, in the last eleven years, 85 DL were taken in the 1st round vs 50 OL.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

So Castanzo can still be ours?

What if we traded up? The 2nd round pick and maybe the pick we got for Crayton for a late 1st?

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

That probably wouldn't be enough.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

2nd + 4th round?

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

you’d have to consult a trade value chart for that. Here is one. For a trade to work, the total value of the traded picks should be roughly equal. In most cases anyway.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't talking about that especially...

but it backs up my point.

This is a heavy 1st round for defensive lineman.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Two things that scare the heck out of me

285 pounds. That’s D’Brickashaw type of size and for the first 2 or 3 years the Jets were wondering why they took him. He had to add some ballast and improve his technique to reach the level in which he’s playing now. The Cowboys need someone, right now.

USC. Not a good College for OLineman… What’s the best to come out from there in the past few years? Sam Baker and Winston Justice? Baker is an average guy, the Eagles were lucky that Justice woke up in his 4th year.

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Nov 27, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

JJ Watt just had an awesome forced fumble

He is a tall guy 6-6, but plays close to the ground and has long arms. Prototypical 3-4 DE. Hope he comes out this year.

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 3:02 PM CST reply actions  

We really only have 3 draft spots to get good players

How many of them do we want to spend on our pass rush and which round will that be in?

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

JJ Watt is probably a second rounder right now but could easily

shoot up into the mid first round. Easily.

After that forced fumble they have been putting two linemen on him.

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

we have to bang out these first 3 picks this year

no inury prone or project guys, it isnt the time for that sh**
either take Peterson Amukanamora or Fairley or just bite the bullett and take Tyron Smith or Derrek Sherrord then go S or CB
if we pick at like 8th overall taking Smith or Sherrord isnt reaching awfully
taking one of them 2nd or 3rd overall would be reaching

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

+1

We’ve drafted way too many projects with supposed “upside” since Parcells left—not that Parcells was a great drafter, but he did find several key players. Guys like Stanback, Brewster, McGee, Spencer, Jason and Brandon Williams, Bennett, Owusu-Ansah (although the jury is still out on him) are fourth round or higher picks that have not given us much productivity. Only Free has panned out.

I hope Jerry starts drafting football players instead of athletes who have no instinct for the game. Like you said, this sh** is getting frustrating.

by kindablue on Nov 27, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Akwasi

but no more project picks please

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

4th round picks are always projects

1st rounders SHOULD NOT be projects.

So, what was the Wade Phillips era like?
44-6

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 27, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Tom Brady project

100%

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Not Always

Marion Barber, Chris Canty, Zach Thomas, Austin Collie and Stephen Gostkowski were taken at the fourth round or below and stepped in right away and played well. When you get to round four, it’s not just projects left. There’s lots of players downgraded for an incomplete skill set, and those guys fall. Sometimes those supposedly incomplete players turn out to be fine and able to play right away.

But I get and agree with what everyone’s saying. Rounds one through three this year we damn well better get some good football players.

by kindablue on Nov 27, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I think 4th and later...

come in cycles.

Remember Doug Free was a 4th that has ended up being good. Just hard to evaluate talent at that point.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Trade down if you can

Do not reach.From 15 -30,you are going to see the OL go.If we are picking 8,we can trade down 7-20 spots and p/u an extra pick and a fairly high pick ,late 3 or early 4.That would be my first choice and still try and pick up Sherrod,Carimi,Costanzo,Solder etc.
If we are at 8 ad a top DE is there,go for it.If both top CB’s are gone.Plan B and trade to the middle of 1.

by marlboroman on Nov 27, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Fairley

TAKE TALENT

Quality > Quantity

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

he my would be my third choice after Peterson and Amukanamora

I think he is the 3rd best player in the draft non QB and I would LOVE if on draft night I see us get Fairley

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Fantastic work OCC

Someone email this to Jerry STAT!

by Dezstroyer88 on Nov 27, 2010 3:30 PM CST reply actions  

Fairley is the pick?

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

O-H-I-O!!!!!

Cowboys can wait until tomorrow!

  • MICHIGAN!

So, what was the Wade Phillips era like?
44-6

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 27, 2010 3:36 PM CST reply actions  

F MICHIGAN!

So, what was the Wade Phillips era like?
44-6

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 27, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Helll Yeah

Great Game glad tOSU got the win

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you guys get into college football?

I was never raised on it. College BBall I like Cuse, but they suck in football so its impossible to even bother.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I love it because it's so diffferent

There’s so much more that teams can do in CFB than in NFl that it’s exciting to watch. Also there’s no parity in CFB making the top teams more fun to watch. And Plucky Underdogs much more exciting

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You've got to go to Ohio State!!! I love this place!

I’m going to miss it, it’s been an awesome 2 years! (Graduate school)

So, what was the Wade Phillips era like?
44-6

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 27, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought Ohio was voted most boring state.

:D

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm looking for schools.

Doubt I can afford tOSU. Hopefully I keep up my grades to get a scholarship.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Then you’ll enjoy this article. Very entertaining rant on why college football is much more exciting than pro football. A bit long, but a good read.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks alot Man

I CANT READ!

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The thing thats hard for me to watch college is.

Well one as you said OCC was I don’t go to college yet haha. Two they’re are so many teams. And three the players change too much!

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

And four...

..the quarterbacking for the most part is abysmal.

The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.

by gee-roj on Nov 27, 2010 4:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting read.

I think the one thing he forgets is just the talent exhibiited by all NFL players. For a good example of this take a look at some of the best NCAA teams and their capacities to run plays. Their plays can be exciting but it is rare to see a High Quality Qurterback, RB and WR on the same team.

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

ROFL

Jet, my man, sometimes it helps when you’ve actually attended a college. Some way to go yet for you.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

I guess that helps.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn't get into college football until I got older.

Now I prefer it at times.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey though

I only have 2 3/4 years left of high school.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:41 PM CST up reply actions  

It's 4:45PM

And Michigan still sucks

So, what was the Wade Phillips era like?
44-6

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 27, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey don't steal the Longhorns

Oklahoma Sucks

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The Horns won't be going to a bowl game though.

Why is that some people in Texas like the Sooners?

(Probably the same reason I like the Cowboys in NY)

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you no tact?

I’m still mourning over here

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by NYHorn on Nov 27, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

No I don't.

The Cowboys are 3-8 and my Islanders just snapped a 14 game losing streak. (I was at the game.)

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Yankees got me a World Series.

The Heat won in 2006.

But I’d take a SB over anything as of now.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I love the Yankees and Cowboys.

Since the Yankees won the Series already I’ll take a Cowboys Super Bowl.

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear ya.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Give it a couple years. Michigan will be back.

We played with you in the first half if it hadn’t been for the fumble and the kick return. You guys are certainly the better team but the margin isn’t as big as it would appear.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 27, 2010 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm Rich Rod's biggest fan!

7 years of failure and counting. I love this era of Michigan football, I hope it continues indefinately!

And your QB quit when his non-throwing hand got injured… that should tell you everything about how much heart Michigan has.

Keep setting em up, we’ll keep knocking em down!

oooh oh-oh-oh oh oh. ooooh oh-oh-oh ohoOOOooh. oooh oh-oh-oh oh. oh.
- Buckeye Bounce

Ohio defeats Michigan 7 times in a row.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 27, 2010 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Denard had several dislocated fingers. I think it is pretty hard to catch snaps with that.

Regardless, enjoy this streak while you have it. You are still little brother in the overall rivalry (still down 12 games in the rivalry). Just please don’t embarrass the Big Ten in your bowl game.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 27, 2010 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Still coasting on the wins from 1897-1918 I see

There’s a lot to be said for tradition, but when you’re leaning on wins from a time when there was no such thing as a toilet, well, that sounds pretty desperate to me. Should we start at the modern era, say, starting in 1960 when the Dallas Cowboys were founded for example, we would find Ohio State firmly in the lead of the rivalry.

Even so, it gave me great pleasure to be doing the Buckeye bounce to 7 nation army in the 4th quarter with Denard sitting on the sidelines!

As far as bowl games go THANK GOD the big-10 has come together to prevent Michigan from representing us in the Rose Bowl anymore. Just keep going to the Capital One Bowl where you can’t do too much harm.

oooh oh-oh-oh oh oh. ooooh oh-oh-oh ohoOOOooh. oooh oh-oh-oh oh. oh.
- Buckeye Bounce

Ohio defeats Michigan 7 times in a row.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 27, 2010 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

If by not doing too much harm you mean actually beating an SEC team

than yes, we can do that.

Regardless, we both know that if it was Ohio State and not Michigan that won those old games as you point out that they would certainly be included in any discussion of the rivalry. And, if you really want to break down the rivalry, we still won The Ten Year War.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 27, 2010 11:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, we're both Cowboys fans and that's what matters

We can put aside our collegiate allegiances and root for the best football team on earth together.

But, oh, look at the time. It’s 12:40AM and Michican still sucks.

oooh oh-oh-oh oh oh. ooooh oh-oh-oh ohoOOOooh. oooh oh-oh-oh oh. oh.
- Buckeye Bounce

Ohio defeats Michigan 7 times in a row.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 27, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions  

See right here is why I don't follow college football

too many crazy fans….

"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain

"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Nov 28, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

College football is all about being crazy

The schemes are too simple, there’s not nearly as much intellectual about it as the pros. College football is all about enjoying the emotional side of things in my opinion.

oooh oh-oh-oh oh oh. ooooh oh-oh-oh ohoOOOooh. oooh oh-oh-oh oh. oh.
- Buckeye Bounce

Ohio defeats Michigan 7 times in a row.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 28, 2010 1:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Well we can definitely root for the Cowboys together.

Hopefully 8 years is the lucky charm for Michigan hahaha.

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by Creasy729 on Nov 28, 2010 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Now if we really want to feel it...

We can realize both of our college teams have won more national titles in the last 15 years than our beloved Cowboys!!!

hahaha

oooh oh-oh-oh oh oh. ooooh oh-oh-oh ohoOOOooh. oooh oh-oh-oh oh. oh.
- Buckeye Bounce

Ohio defeats Michigan 7 times in a row.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 28, 2010 1:00 AM CST up reply actions  

You mean next Sunday.

You like tOSU?

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by Jeterian 2 on Nov 27, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you, OCC

As long as you’re still of the opinion that we need a dynamic safety, as well.

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by White Wolf on Nov 27, 2010 4:02 PM CST reply actions  

Oh, no question!

I didn’t mean to imply at all that we are set at safety, not by a long shot. Word around the Ranch is that signing Sensabaugh to an extension is not a priority anymore, and Ball isn’t the answer either.

Jerry will have to dig deep and pony up for some choice free agents, the draft will not fill all the holes on the roster.

by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 27, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

honestly bro I think Jerry spends some money this year
he went cheap the last 2 years and got nowhere
I think we sign a big name S and a guy like Mankins

if we resign Sensabaugh im gonna be pissed off, he is not that good, im shocked he caught that INT the other day
thats the best play ive seen him make his time in Dallas

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

You are both right and wrong...

Cheap as far as going outside the organization, but you gotta remember they resigned Ware, and signed Miles Austin to a 50 million dollar contract.

I agree that they will look at someone outside this year.

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by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

this

Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK

by HudBaby on Nov 28, 2010 6:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder...

whether any of these guys will try to restructure their contracts to stay in Dallas? And if so, will it be enough for Jerry to keep them?

Bigg could still be around. Joining the Cowboys as a Guard was the best thing to happen to Bigg’s career. It’s close to home and he’s close to the end of his career. He’d likely take less money to stay rather than try to catch on with a different team after being cut. He would still be a very good backup…for the right price.

RW will be gone. There are several teams (Redskins, Seahawks, Cardinals…especially if Larry Fitzgerald leaves for KC, Bills, Rams) really hurting for any kind of help at WR. Once RW is cut and his large contract is history, other teams will gladly pay him 2nd WR money as opposed to the 3rd WR money Jerry would want to pay him.

Barber is a toss up. The Cowboys still see something in him as a 3rd down conversion/blitz pickup role. They’ve paid him well and supported him for several seasons. Would that be enough for him to take reduced money and a reduced role? Are there other teams that would pay him more than the reduced rate and use him more? The Patriots wouldn’t pay him much. Miami if Ricky Williams and/or Ronnie Brown leave in FA? Tampa Bay…doubtful they’ll spend the money? Washington…Hmmmm….

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by lonewolfz28 on Nov 28, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

That's the scariest part of the Cowboys big picture to me...

is we have more holes to fill than are readily obvious. You’re lastest post points out the shortcomings of the D-line. We all knew we needed 2 safeties and probably 4 new offensive lineman. But add into that 2 defensive lineman, at least 1 new ILB, 1 new conerback, and probably a kicker, that is 11 good football players. That’s a stretch for 2 drafts, let alone 1. So yes, we’ll have to hit on a high return rate in the draft, as well as spend big in FA to balance this team.

This doesn’t even take into account if Spencer ever decides to actually give his best, if that’s good enough, or a quality backup QB. Simply put, many of these youngs players currently on the team need to step up. Players like Church, Brent, Lissemore, Lee, & McCann have to pan out. If they don’t we’re in deep trouble. I don’t think there’s any way we can come up with 4 starting caliber offensive lineman in one off-season. Not when we haven’t been able to do it in the last 3 years.

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by White Wolf on Nov 28, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

eh … it all depends on what you’re talking about.

to get to the Super Bowl … probably.

to get back to the playoffs … not alot. improve 2 DL and you’re in business. Hopefully they’ll get one in the draft.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 28, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

see I dont think were that far off

OL and FS SS
thats what I really see as a need and with that shored up I think we are a playoff team
right now with REAL head coaching were competitive again, shocker
talent really isnt a issue I thought, it was coaching
our pass blocking is actually fine its the run blocking
Kosier and Gurode can play 1 more year at a decent level
so we need a RG and RT, free agency draft
we do need another ILB but James can still play at a high level, Sean Lee imo is read ot be a starter next year, so we need a Nickel LB yet again but thats something we can get as well
McCann has potential Scandrick is playing better, I really think with the right coach he will be better Jenkins is too talented to suck this bad again Akwasi Church are keepers Newman can play another year but we should look at another CB in the draft of free agency as well
but the area we need to spend money or a high draft pick is FS and SS
time to stop avoiding this for real
Church and Akwasi could start imo but go get a big name or high draft pick, have a backup plan, not a Ball plan with no other options! that was so stupid man
Sensabaugh is a JAG, not a Jaguar, a JAG maybe he should go back there, being average is prob ok there but not in Dallas

I think weere going to be fine and Im a negative person White Wolf but we need a good draft and spend money in free agency
teams like Tampa just needed real head coaching and a good draft, thats what i think we need too

by Archie Barberio on Nov 28, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

DL maybe too

if Nick Fairley is on the board when we pick it would be really hard to pass on him I really love that guy
paired with Ratliff man that would be sick
Igor costs 5 million dollars next season, I really dont want him back or Spears
we need a DE thats good on the run but can be disruptive and pressure the QB
thats what Fairley is like
a guy I really like that we already have on the roster is Josh Brent, I think he could be our DE really
Hatcher or Bowen maybe both should be retained, both can pressure the QB

by Archie Barberio on Nov 28, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

we need a DE thats good on the run but can be disruptive and pressure the QB

If you can get someone like Suh (great against run and pass) it’s a no brainer. But typically teams don’t get no brainer choices. Instead they have to choose players with a combination of strengths and weaknesses.

So I hope if Dallas ends up with a choice between a DL who can hold the POA (e.g. a Spears/Igor type) but can’t rush the passer vs. a guy who can rush the passer but can’t hold the POA (e.g. Osi, Abraham, Freeney) … they take the later.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 28, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

but there are guys who can do both

Spears and Igor are inefective at creating pressure and allowing Ratliff to get free’d up
im not saying Ware like pass rushing skills but Dareus is way more disruptive so is Cameron Jordan and Nick Fairley you know what I mean
seriously our DE’s not being disruptive is a major problem
last year we did a way better job at clogging up the run and getting pressure
we all know DE’s in our 3-4 are suppose to be good at the run and not have eye popping stats but guys like Canty we miss
I really think if we miss out on Peterson and Amukanamora and Nick Fairley is on the board thats a no brainer
this Fairley guy is a monster man, he is good at the run and really disruptive and getting pressure
funny because he reminds me of Ratliff but is what 21 years old and has way more upside and he went to the same school as Ratliff and the same number #90
im really loving Nick Fairley, I would love him on draft night and I would call him Farley the rest of his career
if we get both on our DL I see Fairley being our Justin Tuck type player or Ratliff could be that type of player on the DE imagine a 4-3 with Ware and Ratliff at DE’s with Fairley on that DL
would be sick

by Archie Barberio on Nov 28, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

but there are guys who can do both

of course. and that’s the dream … the perfect player … strong enough to stuff the run and agile enough to rush the passer … Reggie White, Suh, Mario Williams, Strahan, Bruce Smith, etc …

Those guys are usually top 5 picks because they’re so valuable … with everyone else there’s usually a trade-off … and all I’m saying is on balance I’d value pass rushing ability far more than run stuffing ability. I suspect you would agree with that.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 28, 2010 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

p.s. while this study was about edge rushers, presumably it’s relevant to DT as well. Beware JUCO pass rushers (i.e. Fairley)

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2010/introducing-sackseer

Is it fair to say that Pierre-Paul 26 missed games because he spent his first two years in junior college? Yes, because the few recent edge rusher prospects with junior college experience were among the worst defensive draft picks in recent memory. The illustrious list includes Anton Palepoi, Jerome McDougle, Tony Bryant, Lamar King, Erik Flowers, Michael Boireau and most recently, David Veikune, Cleveland’s 2009 second-round pick, who did not record a sack as a rookie and was inactive for much of the season. Unless you count Julian Peterson, a 4-3 linebacker who doesn’t fit this study, you have to go back to Leonard Little in 1998 to find a former junior college player who panned out in the NFL, and Little spent only one year at junior college. When Tony Bryant is your upside, you’re in trouble.

So why do junior college edge rushers struggle so mightily when transitioning to the NFL? Most edge rusher prospects who play at the junior college level miss two years worth of their NCAA eligibility, and they are understandably “raw” when they enter the professional ranks. Although many coaches believe that such a player can be “coached up,” the coaching staff can only devote so much of its valuable coaching resources to a single player. Moreover, many players who go to a junior college have significant or severe academic issues, and expecting them to digest a complicated NFL playbook while also “catching up” on their fundamentals may be unrealistic.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Nov 28, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Alan Ball is worthless

what garbage he is at FS, but he isnt a bad CB

by Archie Barberio on Nov 27, 2010 4:08 PM CST reply actions  

JJ Watt keeps on making plays

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

yes he does

How tall is he?

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Nov 27, 2010 5:26 PM CST up reply actions  

6'6

Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith

by Lissyyyyy on Nov 27, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I do like him. He tore up Michigan's O-line and Michigan's O-line is pretty talented.

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If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels

by Creasy729 on Nov 27, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

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