WANTED: Hero (No Experience Necessary)
Fan optimism is an interesting psychological dynamic. Consider this; every year, some team flops under the pressure of being a favorite. Some team goes out and plays like pansies. All three phases of the game end up in disarray and the team finds ways to lose, via mental lapses and poor execution, rather than finding ways to win. The fan optimism nosedives like airplane with clipped wings. At some point, the tolerance for such horrible performance reaches the pain threshold and the GM decides to fire the head coach. In comes a new guy to take over either on an interim basis.
Immediately, the fans become exuberant. THIS is the change they needed. THIS will turn the season around and make their team a formidable foe. THIS gives them a shot to win out and, if they do, they still have a shot. THIS is how fans of a 1-7 team show their resilience, their renewed dedication, their unwavering commitment. All we need is a hero to make us believe again...
And why not? The last guy was a nice guy but was also the wrong guy. The new guy preaches accountability, being physical and aggressive, staying focused with a winning attitude. He speaks in his press conferences with authority and knows exactly what he wants from his players and his assistant coaches. He says he will change everything, from the way they practice to the way they watch film to the way they line up at the line of scrimmage to the way they dress. The team’s performance should see an immediate upgrade just based upon the cultural shifts the new guy is preaching. You just wait and see.
Alas, it generally doesn’t work out that way. The team tends to stay stuck in neutral and nothing much changes until the GM makes another change at year-end or gets canned himself. But what if, this one time, something magical happens? What if the job opening gets filled by the hero the team, the city and America needs? Highly unlikely if you believe the media.
Almost immediately, the pundits go to their tried and true clichés and say, “he’s too green…never been a head coach anywhere” or “his past successes as a coordinator won’t translate to this level.” Like detectives on a case, they will find reasons for people not to believe that the new guy is much different than the old guy. But I get an eerie feeling when I hear those things because I know I’ve heard them before.
You know, I seem to remember a coordinator (he was a defensive guy) for the New York Giants who took the reigns of an NFL team in 1960. I remember that the media said those same kinds of negative things about him too. They attributed his previous success to the great players he coached, the great head coach he worked under, the great offenses on their team that made his defenses look good, etc., etc. Purely from a historical point of view, he seemed to overcome that skepticism and go on to do okay, didn’t he?
I recall they also said it about a guy who had much success in the mid-80’s at the collegiate level in South Florida. Most people said his success was all due to the fact that he inherited a successful program from a local legend who had built the college team into a powerhouse with its own inertia. He came to the NFL without much of a pedigree and his methods were considered “out of place”. There was no way this guy could succeed the NFL legend he was coming in to replace. No, the pundits were not kind to him either. Yet, he seemed to overcome all of THAT skepticism and do alright, didn’t he?
Is it really all that unfathomable for us to think that maybe, just maybe, the new guy is the answer to what ails the team?
I like to think the NFL is all about underdogs and their success stories. Yes, people love a winner above all else, but they also love seeing a triumph of the human spirit against seemingly insurmountable odds. The most memorable games in NFL History are games the underdog wasn’t supposed to win. The Jets beating the Unitas’ Colts? The Giants derailing the unbeatable Patriots? The list goes on and on. Now, let’s be honest and admit that Jason Garrett is clearly the underdog here. He’s not a big-name guy. He’s certainly not someone who has the resume to be the Head Coach of America’s Team. But he’s always been the underdog. He’d never been considered a particularly gifted athlete, yet he played the game’s most difficult and important position and succeeded in playing at the sport’s elite level. This noodle-armed QB holds the Ivy League record for completion percentage while at Princeton. It’s true he doesn’t have the coaching pedigree of his predecessors, but so what? What has that done for Bill Parcells? How has it helped Mike Holmgren? How about Mike Shanahan? Most people were shocked to hear how fast Garrett was elevated from QB Coach with Nick Saban’s Dolphins to Offensive Coordinator with the Dallas Cowboys. Now, he’s the Head Coach of the most valuable (and visible) sports franchise this side of Manchester, England.
In all honesty, I don’t know if Garrett is the guy that can take Dallas to the top of the mountain (I have my own doubts), but this just in…he’s done pretty well so far. Could he be our hero?
This, my friends, looks like the beginning of another chapter in Jason Garrett’s Cinderella story. Lucky for us, we’re all here to see how it turns out. In fact, we’re all closer to the story than most. When you strip away all of the media hype and tackle this from a purely human interest perspective, Jason Garrett is a guy you can root for. He’s the kind of story that you want to have a happy ending not just because he is YOUR team's head coach, but because he is a guy who, you have to believe, doesn’t take his opportunities lightly. And if that kind of verve and enthusiasm and commitment and focus can lead to the shift in culture that all Dallas fans have been clamoring for since Jimmy Johnson left town, then yes, consider the job opening for hero, filled.
In the Season of Jerry (boy, is it ever), as we watch this new part of the Dallas Cowboys story unfold, remember to keep your optimism high and enjoy every moment.
GO COWBOYS!!!
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Blings
Usually enjoy your posts, but I love this article. I don’t know whether JG is the answer or not yet. It is great to see the emotion of the players showing that they care as much as their fans do. To lose a hard fought game is one thing, but to lose when the team appears to be putting in time is another.
JG has a lot of talent to work with, but needs to install the desire to achieve in each player. To win or lose as a team and correct the causes of the loss if possible. It wouldn’t hirt my feelings to have him as coach next year if he can start to build this kind of team.
Thanks obf
The Cowboys have their work cut out for them this offseason because the draft isn’t likely to hand us many blue chippers at OL, so I hope they sign a couple of good FA’s.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
glad you’ve come around
5Blings, Oct 31 2010
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/10/31/1785701/tearing-down-the-house-that-jerry-built
Next, RHG (Red Headed Goof) gets clipped…mainly because he sucks. He’s a promising young coach, but the window for teams to win when they have a QB that could deliver a bling is short. Jason’s inability to get his unit playing with any sort of rhythm or identity since he arrived as the OC in Dallas is simply inexcusable. The Dallas offense (even sans Flozell) is still one of THE most penalized offenses in football. I’m sorry, but when receivers run the wrong routes, time outs get used because of play-calling confusion and our offense becomes so predictable that the opposing defensive coordinator’s 5-year old son can tell whether we’re running or passing (this just in: it’s more than likely going to be passing 80% of the time) on any given down is just too much to take. Jason, at this point in his development, would make a great collegiate Head Coach and we might be keeping him from reaching his full potential. I always want to know if candidates have done their homework prior to the interview. One interview question would be – “would you go to a 3-wide base offense next year?” If any of them say yes, the new HC and I would have to consider them. If not, then they’d have to explain how we get our best players on the field.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 1, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
Don't misinterpret
I have been clear that I don’t know what the future holds for JG.
I have serious doubts about him and 3 games is hardly enough of a body of work to judge him or anyone else by.
That said, you have to like the changes he has made because it sure looks and feels more like a Jimmy Johnson style of coaching.
One thing you haven’t conceded is how the increased reliance on the running game, especially early in games, seems to be setting a different tone for the offense. If Jason read my posts to that effect and made changes to accomodate me, then of course I must rethink my position on him.
Who wouldn’t?
:-)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
hardly
the increased running game is the result of the defense playing better. You can’t run the ball when you’re playing catch up.
And it’s no surprise you have doubts about Garrett, you have doubts about everyone in the organization. Maybe you should change your name to Doubting Thomas.
In Romo we Trust
well Terry
Considering your Homerism….. Some body has to counter balance…
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant
I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 1, 2010 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
I have doubts...
about how you said Sean Lee was a better pick than Dez Bryant.
As for the running game, no, you are wrong. You CAN run the ball when you’re behind. Good teams do it all the time.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Actually, they do
Check every Giants game they’ve beaten Dallas in.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
they never trailed badly in any of those games
Houck even said in an interview today that the reason the running game has been bad was because of the reason I cited.
Despite what you think, you can’t run effectively while playing catch up.
In Romo we Trust
What is "trailed badly"?
Define it for me please…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Go check the Giants play-by-play in our first meeting
They “trailed badly” and kept running the ball.
Oh yeah, they won too.
Next?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
they didn't start running until they took the lead
which wasn’t too far in the game, once Romo got hurt, the game plan for them was pretty simple. When they trailed, Eli was chucking it to Nicks left and right.
You used a bad example to try to prove your point.
In Romo we Trust
Okay, class is now in session
This is a play-by-play chart.
If you look at the the area where it says the Giants had the ball at the 8:53 mark, you will see that they were down 20-7, which meets your “trailed badly” litmus test.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=301025006&period=2
In it you will see that the Giants’ first 3 plays were running plays and that 4 of the 7 on that scoring drive were runs.
So, I find this quote utterly ridiculous (even by standards which I’ve set much, much lower for you because of some of the jaw-droppingly unreal things you have said in the past);
they didn’t start running until they took the lead
The facts are plainly evident. Can we just move on now?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
and 4 of the next 6 plays were passes
which included the TD, a pass.
Funny how you failed to mention those facts.
In Romo we Trust
So you're not going to say you were wrong, are you?
Even though I have proven it, unequivocally. Yo won’t say it, will you Terry?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Love the Post Blings
Garrett definitely has started polishing the Star. While its not fully restored to its Former glory, you can see the glimmers through the tarnish.
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant
I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Nov 28, 2010 10:32 PM CST reply actions
Thanks man
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'd Really Like To Believe...........
but I see Jerry still seeking the limelight for himself.I’m sure he will hire Garrett because he thinks he is a yes man.
As long as Jerry is in control we won’t sniff another Super Bowl.
by TCB Orange Dino on Nov 29, 2010 1:25 AM CST reply actions
I think every great accomplishment involves some degree of adversity that must be overcome
If the Cowboys have to overcome Jerry’s shortcomings to win a bling, then that’s the mountain they must climb.
Don’t give up on them!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Well I don't know about anyone else, but I now have Bonnie Tyler in my head.
Anyways, it is well-documented on this site that I am a big JG-defender. I always thought he had a great pedigree and I was thrilled when Jerry hired him since I thought Jerry had pulled a Steelers move and finally not given a crap what anyone else thinks and hired a young guy with an impressive pedigree to be “the guy.” Unfortunately, he was not the HC yet and even with how weird that was, you could sense it right away in 2007 that JG could be a real special coach. He of course since then has had his ups and downs, but I always thought that if he never became a coach here that he would surely go somewhere else and have a lot of success (look at the success the Falcons and Ravens have had even when JG turned them down).
Now that he is the coach though, he has even surpassed my expectations as he is clearly differentiating himself from the past regime on some level and is instilling more discipline and detail into this team. I think the Cowboys have found their coach of the future and I am glad to see it is finally the young prodigy coach on Dallas’s sideline rather than on the opposing sideline (Saints and Steelers come to mind).
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Bonnie Tyler? Not the desired effect...but...okay
I’m not as old as you are, but I have been pleasantly surprised.
Originally, I thought 8 games was too short an audition. I have changed my mind.
A lot can change in a short time. Hopefully, a lot will.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Oh come on. You know you like the song "I Need a Hero."
That song being stuck in my head is a pretty good effect if you ask me. ;-)
Also, I would bet a large chunk of change that you and most of the commenters on here are older than me. :-)
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
And if you don't know "I Need a Hero" than you need to get on that haha.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
How about the show, Greatest American Hero?
Ever see that?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Nope. I can't say that I have.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Then you missed some good 80's pop culture
Totally trumps Bonnie Tyler.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Hahaha. My 80's musical knowledge is definitely my strong suit
when it comes to that decade.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
I have a large CD collection of 80's music myself :)
Both rock and country.
LOL.
Jake – “What kind of music do you play here?”
Bar owner – “Oh, we like both kinds. Country AND Western.”
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by fan since '65 on Nov 30, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
Garrett will end up being an outstanding HC in the NFL for years to come
Hopefully Jerry knows this as well and makes sure he’s coaching our Boys for years to come.
In Romo we Trust
But you weren't a detractor of Winnie's, were you?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I've always been a fan of Garrett's
and actually wanted him to be the HC over Wade in 2007 but knew Jerry wouldn’t hire him because of his inexperience. I’ve always wanted Garrett to be HC of the Cowboys since he’s been here.
In Romo we Trust
Based on his....
what?
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It's gotta be those mock turtlenecks
I ordered two myself!!!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Has Terry ever been wrong at anything?
Man, how would you like to be related to this guy? He’s never wrong-or at least admits to being wrong-LOL
Lots of coaches with those very same qualities have failed miserably
…but I thought you preached that coaching has nothing to do with player performance and execution?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
those coaches didn't have good players
who had the ability to execute and play well…we do. And I never said coaching has nothing to do with player performance or execution, what I said was player execution and performance is the difference between winning and losing games, not coaching decisions or play calling.
In Romo we Trust
You knew that about him when he was the...
qb’s coach at Miami?
Ha…ha….ha…. Give me a break.
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I don't think you get what I'm saying....
You knew from his experience as a QB’s coach that he would be a great HC?
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"and actually wanted him to be the HC over Wade in 2007"
So what were you basing it on?
You stated your reasons, but how would you know that about him? From his time as a 3rd string QB in Dallas?
Have you talked to him personally?
I mean you REALLY knew what his demenor and his approach was?
Intelligence, I buy, but the other two I would have thought you’d have to… I don’t know.. watch someone coach before judging.
If a there was a referee of blogging, he would throw out a flag for excessive bullshit.
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exactly from his time as a 3rd string qb in Dallas
I could tell back then that the guy had the makings to become a great coach based on the reasons I’ve stated.
You can believe whatever you want, but it’s the truth.
In Romo we Trust
You can tell someones no nonsense approach from...
10 years ago as a 3rd string QB…
Why aren’t you a coach in the NFL? You have more foresight than any person i’ve ever met apparently.
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Terry should take Cisky's job
We wouldn’t have Dez Bryant, but so what?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Why do I wonder...
what that’d do to that article of yours you pointed out to me a while ago? Can I simply swap names and retain the jist.
It's why you play the game.
No
It would be boring and we’d be the Buffalo Bills.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Other than Madden saying JG would be a coach someday, how could you tell?
Was it the angle at which he held his clipboard? The way he wore his hat? What about his sideline demeanor made you say “that guy is a future head coach”?
How about current backup QBs? Any future head coaches you’d like to point out for us, using your finely tuned spidey sense?
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What was it about Jason when he was on the Cowboys as a player that made you think he'd be a HC?
Other than Madden (or any other announcer) saying it
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"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I mentioned his attributes above
that made me think he’d be a great HC.
Intelligence, demeanor, no nonsense appraoch, just an extremely cerebral player who you could tell would end up being a great coach.
In Romo we Trust
Whistle!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry...were you talking about Bernie Kosar?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I want whatever you are taking!
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Jamarcus Russell?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Absolutely...
agree with your heart-lifting write-up, 5Blings, and with the comments above. Speechless. A rarity.
One exception. I’d argue one point.
He’s certainly not someone who has the resume to be the Head Coach of America’s Team.I beg to differ and’ll leave it at that.
Ok, not exactly speechless. ;
It's why you play the game.
What I meant was that...
because this is America’s Team and it is in disarray, Jerry doesn’t seem given to leaning on unheralded coaches to help him climb out of the hole. It doesn’t fit with his need to create intrigue and notoriety in the media eye.
But then again, I said in a previous post, Jerry is going to change his operating model.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Haven't forgotten...
your operating model comment from that post, your points there and mostly agreed with them. It was the “ego in play” comment thread (didn’t articulate something well there, but figured I’d leave it alone, but in agreement overall). Agree with Jerry’s tendancies re: coaching choice and his Barnum-esque showmanship savvy. Thanks for restating your past points, anyways.
I did understand the statement in context in this regard and only picked it out as something I’d debate on the technical merits. Guess I’m kind of playing. Thanks for clarifying, nonetheless.
You’re right with respect to your media eye comment above. If that’s his primary decision-point, I fear that the short-sighted, immediacy-oriented operating model stays in place, we see no longevity in coaching and we’re still on the not-so-merry merry-go-round with little likelihood of resolving those problems.
If it’s not his decision-point, and your “Jerry’s eye on his legacy” and “ego in play” points are correct and mutually supportive (I certainly hope those points are correct), his letting go of the status quo and demonstrating that meaningfully would be evident in making this coaching decision based on qualifications (ie. resume), not showmanship.
Make it on showmanship, as you too may dread(?), being ex-Cowboys OC’s and ex-Ottawa Rough Riders won’t be the only things Sean Payton and Jason Garrett have in common.
This decision’s crucial and indicative of this franchise’s direction in many ways.
Blings, I think we’re in agreement for the most part and I want to say I find you an insightful guy. I just picked out the one statement I’d debate, with all due respect. Apologies for my long-winded BS opinion.
It's why you play the game.
I appreciate your point of view
It gives me pause and people will tell you that I don’t say that often.
I think Jerry will make changes. I don’t think he will give up being the final arbiter in all things Cowboys, but I do think he will expand the circle which is allowed to influence him and maybe add layers to the decision-making tree.
…and thanks much for the kind words.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
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Were you a believer in Garrett from Day 1? I was...
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/11/8/1801832/i-insert-name-here-this-jg-will-be-a-good-head-coach
It's a bit too early for me to jump on the bandwagon
…not that I didn’t deride the choice of Wade when it was made….
But like I said, i like what I see.
The true test of leadership is what happens when things don’t go your way. At some point, we need to see Jason when the team is at some kind of tipping point and what kind of tone he sets for them in that moment.
Will he be decisive and directive? collegial and collaborative? dumb and dumber?
We’ll know soon enough.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I like this
But can you really still remember Landry as a coordinator for the Giants? I wasn’t even born then.
The thing I worry about a little with Garrett is how much our perceptions and judgments are distorted by new relationship energy. Oh, it’s exciting to hear him talk about accountability, about stacking great days on top of each other, who we’re playing next and at what time etc., but is that really enough for the long term?
Does he have the values, characteristics competencies that are required to be success with the Cowboys? Can he identify and develop talent? Can he win games? Can he stand up to Jerry? Does he have enough charisma, energy and confidence to become the face of the franchise?
Only time will tell, but I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 29, 2010 10:21 AM CST reply actions
Ha ha ha ha
I didn’t expect anything else, Terry. But blind homerism aside, could you be specific for example on why you are so sure that Garret can identify and develop talent?
Personally, I hope he can, I’m just not sure I’ve seen enough evidence yet.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 29, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
If anyone says...
through 3 games that you can answer all those questions its nothing but blind homerism.
The arrow is pointing up for sure and I’m on the hope wagon as well. I’ll even go as far to say I think he can and will, but I can’t say yes for sure to all of the above.
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It's not Garrett's job to idenify talent
that’s why teams employ scouting departments, his job is to develop it and I think he’s done a great job with our offensive players during his tenure as OC except for the OL of course.
In Romo we Trust
Yes but it's been noted...
that OC and DC have had input on their selections.
And it is also one of the HC’s duties to develop and select the right talent to fit that is already on his roster.
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take it a step further........
How about his pushing for Brad Johnson? Wasn’t Garrett the one that really pushed Houck also? Hey, I like Garrett but he’s hasn’t made all the perfect decisions like Terry wants us to believe?
I don't know who was on the brad johnson thing...
I think that was a good portion Jerry too though.
They wanted a veteran backup QB. I don’t think anyone could have predicted how aweful Brad Johnson would be.
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I thought that because Garrett had worked.....
with Brad Johnson in Tampa, he really pushed for him. My main criticism of that move was when he couldn’t complete a 5 yard pass in training camp, they glossed it over-pretty much like this year with the OLine and Safety positions. It may not be Garrett’s fault, but I find it hard to believe, especially this year with Jerry wanting to win so bad, being the Super Bowl, that he wouldnt have gotten some other people in here if it was pushed-I may be giving Jerry too much credit.
But we don't want a coach who isn't in the thick of that conversation
Lord knows leaving the drafts to Jerry and Cisky is a dumpster fire.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Ciskowski is a great talent evaluator
As long as Jerry listens to him, we’ll be just fine acquiring future talent.
In Romo we Trust
Of course he is...just look at the 2009 draft!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
we didn't have a first or second rd pick either
That being said, not even Bill Polian hits on every draft
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What draft would you say he DID hit on?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
THAT was a Tuna/Ireland draft
Based on the fact that you submitted that one as his hit, I’ll assume you’ve raffirmed my point.
Thank you. Good night now.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
hardly
Ciskowski was still the head college scout under Ireland, he comprised the board that Ireland and Tuna picked from.
Nice try though
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You said it, I didn't...
the board that Ireland and Tuna picked from
Once you start giving all the credit to a scout for drafts, especially with Jerry in the war room, I know you’re flailing.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Jerry has been going by the board since the Tuna has been HC
If they go by the board, their drafts will be no worst than decent depending on where those picks are
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How do you know that to be true?
Do you think Jerry went away from Cisky’s board in 2009? in 2007?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Got a link?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
So no?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
2009 is already much worse than decent
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Yeah, I struggle to find an adjective for Cisky on that one
…but I’m sure it was somehow Jerry’s fault.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
That's much kinder than where I was going...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Sorry, went soft there for a sec...
Mom’s influence. She alwayts said, “be nice”.
It's why you play the game.
we didn't pick until the 3rd rd in 2009
Hard for a draft to be good when the top 50 players are already off the board before you make your first pick.
In Romo we Trust
And yet...
Jason Witten, one of our top 5 players, was drafted in that very same 3rd round when Tuna and Ireland were making the picks.
Terry, you like who you like and I get that, but the facts don’t support your commentary here.
The Jerry-Cisky combo, where Cisky has presumably had moreinfluence than ever before, hasn’t been all that good for Dallas.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I appreciate your fact-based opinions
Unfortunately, you seldom have one of those…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
and yet pretty much every pick that was made was a stinker
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Yep...
Jason Williams I put on Wade.
That was his boy apparently… uggg.
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well getting rid of Burnett was another
one. I was against it at the time and look at the guy now. Do you think he would be doing as good as Brooking-haha?
Well I'll sorta defend Wade on that...
Burnett isn’t really that good, and they had a 1st round pick that they needed to see what they had in him.
Burnett probably would have cost more than he was worth.
AND he was hurt all the time.
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all true...
he’s decent, not great, but nice to see him going ok in SD. Guy didn’t bother me when here and prone to wishing ex-Cowboys well, unless they’ve annoyed me.
It's why you play the game.
I still want to know how you get there
I never know whose pet cat is whose in the Dallas drafts.
Do you read stuff on a site I don’t?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yeah...
I read that from a couple sources. One of them being DC.com.
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understood and thanks for answering
Bling’s question. The mothership, media, all the sources we’d have access to I’ll always view with a sceptic’s eye. Guess I’m stuck with the absolute of the first-hand being there to know for certain, as always. It’s why I don’t make those calls, because I just don’t know. Thanks, Iron.
It's why you play the game.
DC.com is a shill for Jerry
I don’t know what to believe when I read their stuff.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
DMN also said it.
It’s a defensive player, you would think that most of the defensive players that Wade would have had a big print on.
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Using that same logic...
do you think Brewster, Marten and Free had JG’s stamp of approval on them?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You would hope that they had some of his...
Which would make them bad picks some of them.
Garrett shouldn’t be absolved either.
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the facts and only the facts
The rest’s questionably biased opinion. And by facts, I mean independently verifiable numbers, not stats selected to make a case. And that applies everywhere, here included.
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. – C.W. Dilke
It's why you play the game.
Like to know too
because if you’ve got access to another way of knowing who’s the prime mover in any choice, I’d appreciate getting the site or whatever it is. Because other than my prior first-hand experience with the people in the war room amd being one of their intimates, I just don’t know a way. Any of their public statements have to be viewed with a grain of salt, with more credibility given to those that admit responsibility for a bust than those claiming credit for a find.
It's why you play the game.
oops, mistake
Because other than my prior first-hand experience
should read:
Because other than my prior comment on first-hand experience
It's why you play the game.
What makes me nervous about Garrett
1) 1st and 20 instead of 2nd and 16 (negating a Spencer sack)
2) 3rd and 11 instead of 4th and 1 (to a lesser extent)
3) Punt instead of trying another 53 yarder (after Buehler already made one)
4) Trying to convert 3rd and 10 instead of getting a few more yards for a long game tying FG
5) Whatever he thought he was trying with a minute left in the 1st half with Detroit
6) Ball is still the starter
7) Choice is still nowhere to be found (this SHOULD change since Barber is injured)
I think that’s it… for now.
Well I think I can answer those...
1) That was an odd choice. But that’s the type of decision that will get easier with time.
2) I understand that one honestly. The Saints would have probably went for it and you have to believe that its harder to pick up 11 yards than 1.
3) Tough decision, but I think the fack that Buehler isn’t exactly automatic and you are putting the Saints in a really good situation if you don’t make it isn’t a particularly dumb decision.
4)Yeah I don’t get that, I think everyone thinks that there should have been a draw on at least one of those plays.
5) I have heard that from a few people and… I mean it’s handoff. At some point I think you have to trust your players in those situations. Felix Jones has to know that if a massive hole isn’t there you cover up. I put that on Felix.
6) Eh… yeah. Probably shows you about the options behind him.
7) All about pass blocking I’m guessing.
So I guess I agree with you on some issues, but I don’t think all of those are major and/or things that other head coaches don’t deal with regularly and some screw up regularly.
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Nah, they aren't major issues at all...
It just makes me a little nervous about him.
As someone who didn’t really like him as an OC, I have been singing a different tune about Jason Garrett the HC.
And to clarify the Detroit thing wouldn’t have been an issue if he wouldn’t have tried to explain it in the press conference afterwards about taking a knee and them using time outs to get the ball with 2 seconds left or whatever… just take the knee and let your special teams stop them from scoring a punt return.
To sum all that up in one, I'm nervous about him being HC AND calling plays.
Others have done it. But the only ones I can think of had more experience than Garrett when they started.
It’s because of little things like you bring up that I’m nervous about game management, combined with years of watching his playcalling as it was often fall back too readily on certain plays.
2008: Don’t know what to call? Draw play!
2010: Not sure? WR “bubble screen!”
He wastes plays and even drives at times with simplistic, predictable playcalling.
So to be HC and have to playcall, I’m nervous that he’ll easily fall back on comfortable, predictable plays.
I’m still in favor of him getting a shot. But I’m hoping JJ insists on an OC to help, even though Garrett could design the overall gameplan during the week.
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by Realist Larry on Nov 30, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly, I do not know
…and I think your “new relationship energy” point is, as is usually the case, on target.
To our objective male friends, the new girlfriend isn’t better looking than the ex, but to us, she’s Bar Refaeli.
When I think about the T.O. debacle, it appears JG played too silent a role but we don’t know how much of that was Jerry-driven and how much of that is RHG not having BHS (Big Hairy Stones).
There is absolutely NO reason to believe he can do those things or possesses any of those qualities. But, to your point, there’s not a lot of reason to say he can’t either.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
The thing is....
I know you have your doubts about Jason Garrett, but is there a coach out there that isn’t named Bill Bellichick that you wouldn’t have doubts about?
I know I would. There are alot of guys that if Garrett doesn’t get the job I’d like, but each one I’d have a worry about.
You have really good coaches too(Jeff Fisher) who I really like, but how many rings does he have?
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Even Belichick had plenty of doubters in Cleveland.
I remember thinking New England made a terrible mistake in hiring him. Shows what I know.
I don't think you are the only person...
that thought that.
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Good coaches still need to be in the right GM/Ownership situation
Coughlin needs Reese.
Dungy needed Polian.
Jimmy needed…well, Jimmy.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
This is key
My doubts about Garrett aren’t necessarily about his questionable in game decisions, but whether or not he is strong enough to assert himself vis a vis Jerry. The comments Jerry made about Choice this week are troubling, because they suggest his continuing involvement on player’s playing time, which also contradicts what Garrett said at one of his earlier pressers—the best will play regardless of salary or where they were drafted. I am not sure whether I am more troubled by the fact that Garrett seems to agree Barber is the better back (he can’t really believe that can he?) or that he is just saying that to appease the Boss.
At any rate, Garrett’s immediate success seems to have had the undesirable effect of making Jerry think he doesn’t need to take a long look at how he runs things, which is why he ran his mouth on Choice. I can’t help but wonder if Garrett’s success is bad for us just like Wade’s success last year—it just perpetuates Jerry’s belief that he can get the job done as GM.
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Outstanding commentary, dave
This really made me think…
Garrett’s immediate success seems to have had the undesirable effect of making Jerry think he doesn’t need to take a long look at how he runs things
That could be very, very bad if you’re right.
Keep it coming…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You really think Jerry would ever consider firing himself as GM
under any set of circumstances?? Answer is no.
In Romo we Trust
No I don't
But as Troy Aikman has opined, the model that was in place with Jimmy and Parcells allowed Jerry to be GM with limited damage to the organization. So I don’t think that Jerry will give up the GM title, but I also don’t think he has to—he just has to concede enough power to the HC for that HC to be successful.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Absotively!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I don't think he will listen to JAson
He’ll need to have someone there that Stephen likes so that when Stephen DOES take a much larger role, the pair will have a good working relationship and mutual respect.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Intriguing
This has potential for a conversation beyond what comments here will reasonably allow.
You write the article detailing your thoughts on this and I’ll guarantee you one reader.
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Illegitimus non carborundum.
First, a little treatise on a topic that has been on my mind for some time...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Guarantee you a reader on that too, looking forward to it
Side-question, Blings. You’d mentioned you’ve a buddy who’s a scout. Who’s he scouts for, if it’s not out-of-line to ask?
No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child. - A. Lincoln
Illegitimus non carborundum.
I grew up in the Bay Area
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Jim Frickin' Harbaugh!
I really like the way he coaches.
I think he’s going to be a good one some day soon.
But your point is a good one. Retreads? The numbers say no.
Coordinators? like Brian Schottenheimer or Cam Cameron or Mike Nolan? No, no and no.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
And since there's risk everywhere, go young.
The upside is so much more. If you hit on a good one, you have stability for years.
This franchise needs a guy who’ll stay 10+ years.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Nov 30, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Young would be JG, Harbaugh, who else?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I like Saban
but that’s not happening.
Honestly, I’d prefer to give JG his chance above all. despite his faults, I’d like to see some consistency/stability. It’s been missing going on 20 years. If he does well, what a bonus! If in 3 years he’s failing, then go move on.
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by Realist Larry on Nov 30, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
The window may be closed in 3 years unless Dallas takes a flyer on Mallett or Locker and starts grooming him to grow up with Dez and Miles
If they don’t there are too many players who will be on the wrong side of 30 who will need to be replaced in 3 years and we’ll be in rebuilding mode.
Your core of Romo, Ware Witten, Austin and Ratliff don’t have that long to wait.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
D@amn straight
Don’t want to see that window of opportunity close, though if it does we’ve survived it before. Arguably, perhaps not to this extreme, but we’re resilient, us Cowboys fans. Tenacious, too.
Hmmm, I wonder if there’s a low-risk, qualified candidate who exhibits the potential to meet at least most of our oh-so-many-wants-as-Cowboys-fans, someone whose body-of-work and references might be indicative of being a valid option?
We really should look into it, ya know.
It's why you play the game.
I don't believe in this "window" thing anymore
Too much parity in the NFL. The window never closes. Put together a great organization, get a good GM, find a young coach who’ll put in a system so you can draft players consistently year after year, and your window’s always open.
The one thing you need is a good QB, so yes they’d have to eventually replace Romo. But he’s got 5+ years left.
Look at NE, Indy, Philly, Baltimore. Their windows never close! Cause they know how to do it, top down. No reason the #1 franchise in the NFL, with the most $$, most TV, very interesting to FA’s, new stadium, can’t be in contention every single year.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Dec 1, 2010 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
The window does apply
Without a QB, you’re sunk.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Hehehe
Sure it is.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yes, you need a QB
So they’ll need a replacement for Romo eventually.
As far as the rest of the roster , and overall, there is no more “window” in the NFL. Teams can go from 6-10 to playoffs the next year. Any team can be a contender within 2 years of being lousy if they have good leadership.
Put together a good organization, like the teams above, and you have a chance every year.
Assuming you do have the QB, and that’s why need to keep drafting QB’s and trying to have younger backups instead of Kitna’s and Johnson’s.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Dec 2, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Keep drafting QB's
So would you want Dallas to take a shot at Locker or Mallett if the opportunity presents itself?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Neither of those guys lasts beyond round 1
So, I assume you are saying stay away from both, yes?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
drafting a qb in the first would be moronic
when the team has so many more pressing needs
In Romo we Trust
So reach for an O-lineman or Safety?
Trade down even if the deal isn’t right?
In the past, you’ve espoused the virtues of a BPA strategy, haven’t you?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You're right...
Although the only QB I’d draft if I was Dallas in the 1st is if Andrew Luck magically dropped down.
Mallet is good and Locker is… well he hasn’t exactly been great this year. He’s all upside.
Dallas has more needs than just O-line and safety however.
Fingers crossed, but they should come out with a good CB or defensive lineman.
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If it went DLine...
or a top CB, I wouldn’t have a problem with it, looking at it right now. Just not in draft mode yet.
It's why you play the game.
They have to fix the center-guard-right tackle issue
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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
yeah, recent convert
even to the point of shifting Ratliff if required. Again, comments elsewhere.
It's why you play the game.
Agreed.
But if its not there and they can’t trade down, you gotta pick someone.
At this point I’d rather have a stud DE/DT than taking a QB who might or might not pan out. I’m not sold on either Mallett or Locker.
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We're going to get into an agreeing cycle
what if we never break out of it?
It's why you play the game.
I've seen a good deal of Locker, not so much Mallett
Mallett has much more talent around him. Is he really close to 6’7"???
Locker has carried a lot on his shoulders. I have a lot of respect for his work so far.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
This is my problem with Locker...
and alot of people will disagree but I don’t care.
He should have a winning record at Washington at least one of the seasons as a starter.
For those that say “well he didn’t have any talent around him” I’ll point out Matt Ryan and how bad Boston College was when he was there.
Mallett has the physical tools, but he has alot of maturity issues from what I can tell. I think both COULD be great and they both have tremendous potential, but neither will sniff Andrew Luck IMO.
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Isn't that like saying Steve Young was a bad QB because he couldn't get Tampa Bay to win?
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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
NO
Good/Great college QBs can actually win games with mediocre to bad casts around them, they can change the game.
He hasn’t ever completed 60% of his passes. Granted he’s in a tough conference, but besides physical ability he hasn’t shown me anything great. He’s good at beating USC thats about it.
Locker IMO is the ultimate boom/bust QB.
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Mallett scares me more because you never want another Leaf or Marinovich
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Eh.
Mallet is better than Leaf and while he has maturity issues I don’t think he’s that much of a tool.
I think he’ll be more Jay Cutler in attitude than Leaf.
I think the worst Mallet will be is Chad Henne.
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We don't know that
It’s conjecture…which I should have pointed out yo IF a while ago.
:-)
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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Understood and agree
If true, however, I stand by my comment.
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the BPA stategy doesn't apply
to drafting a qb when you already have a franchise qb in his prime.
In Romo we Trust
When does it apply?
It seemed to work out for San Diego and GB.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Bingo.....we have a winner........
I think Terry has forgotten the dilemma that we got into by not drafting a QB when we had Aikman. Uh, how many QB’s have we gone thru since that time? Oh, wait a minute, Terry’s going to give #9 a youth potient where he can play for eternity-LOL just kidding
I have no problem with drafting a first rd qb
when Romo begins the twilight of his career, right now he is just entering his prime years as a qb.
In Romo we Trust
uh Terry, Staubach was not at the
“twilight of his career” when Danny White came along-he played for six more years. He was 32 when White came in and 38 when he retired. He started out late like your boy Romo-27 yrs. old. You don’t know if Romo will last that long.
And you could say the same for Favre
He showed no signs of slowing down and hadn’t missed a game (something that can’t be said for Romo).
Drafting big time QB’s when you can is always a worthwhile strategy. We should have learned that when we had the void left by Aikman.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
How many QBs did Green Bay draft
and develop, then traded for multiple draft picks? So assuming Romo plays forever, they can have quality backups and parlay that into picks. Sorry, Terry, if Romo brought a big enough return, I’d still be OK with trading him as long as a capable QB is still in the fold.
Booyah!!!
And it isn’t just QB’s.
Any position with quality depth gives you tremendous flexibility. Nowhere is that more true than having good QB’s-in-waiting.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Good picks...
I just still think that’s a bad comparison.
Drew Brees was considered a bust and thats why they picked Rivers…eeeeh traded for him.
Green Bay was picking 24th overall and the talent gap between him and the next guys
Both good picks… although neither has rings yet so… we’ll see.
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Bad examples
SD didn’t have a franchise qb in Brees when they drafted Rivers, Brees at that time was no where near the qb that he has become.
Favre certainly was not in his prime when GB drafted Rodgers.
If Romo was 35, I’d agree to drafting a qb in the first rd.
And to answer your question, it applies to all other positions obviously.
In Romo we Trust
Yep
I gotta actually agree with you, I think there is situational difference.
The only QB I would take is if Luck fell and that’s because he’s being touted as a once in a generation talent at QB.
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Don't write Locker off so quickly
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'm not writing him off.
But.. he hasn’t been good this year.
But.. he hasn’t been good this year.
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Whatever dave33 has is obviously contagious
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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Marino had a down final year in college
Don’t degrade the total body of work just for one piece of it.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Has Locker...
really ever had a monster year?
I’m not exatly sure why you are defending him so much. I get that he has tremendous tools, but has he ever put up numbers that are mind boggling or even been efficient?
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How many Husky players can you name outside of Locker?
Offense or defense.
How many can you name that have had an impact in the NFL in the last 5 years.
For the same reason we don’t blame Romo for things that occur because of poor o-line play or the defense not getting turnovers (still not sold on that), this guy, in the right situation, has all the right mental and physical tools.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
We'll see...
I don’t think that he’s definitly not going to succeed.
I just think that he’s a major work in progress for a first rounder.
Good QB’s can overcome a few things in college, unlike the pro’s.
I doubt that Washington was that much worse than Boston College when Matt Ryan was there.
I just don’t think that Jake Locker has shown any progression. I don’t dislike the guy and I hope he proves me wrong, but I don’t think he’s top 15 material.
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Didja see his last minute heroics yesterday to make Wash bowl eligible?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
tell that to Green Bay........
think they are regretting drafting Aaron Rodgers in the first round behind Favre?
No.....
but also Green Bay was also in a positon where the value was WAY too much to pass up and they had a 37 year old QB.
I’m not agreeing with Terry, but the comparison of getting a guy pick 24 and pick 8 and the status of the current QB has to come into the equation.
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what if it is pick 13-15?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Maybe...
but I doubt that will even be an option. I personally wouldn’t pull that trigger unless Andrew Luck is magically there.
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But I hear you saying maybe it makes sense if Locker/Mallett are there at 13, yes?
The only guy I have a great love for at that spot (for the moment) is Rahim Moore.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Mallet...
maybe.
I think you’re underestimating the amount of really good defensive lineman coming out.
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Rank the ones you like, IF
I’d love to see your top DL picks.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I love Fairley
Obviously for this scheme he would be my top pick right now.
Dareus would be great too.
Quinn would be an OLB in this scheme and with what Anthony Spencer has shown which is inconsistency I’m not against him.
I’d rate both CB’s Peterson and Amukumara above Mallett and Locker WAY above them too.
Plus if they are 13th more than likely the teams above them will snatch QB’s.
Arizona, Carolina, and Cincy all have a greater need at the position and if Dallas wins more than Minnesota they will definitly too.
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Cincy?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yeah
Carson Palmer has been bad and he has been bad for a couple of years now.
There has been talk that Cincy would release him if he didn’t restructure his contract.
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Talk about a team that has bigger issues
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
didn't AR go in the second?
or am i thinking of someone else?
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by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
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No
He went 24th overall.
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...and he was a big risk
Tedford at Cal had produced some NFL stinkers (Kyle Boller anyone?) who had huge collegiate #’s.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yep
And it definitly helped Rodgers that he got to be baby fed the playbook.
I remember hearing that Rodgers looked horrible the first couple of years in Green Bay practices.
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Recall that too...
horrible may be too strong, but certainly not what he had the fortune to mature into. He’s a keeper.
It's why you play the game.
that's what I'm saying.........
if there is someone that you could groom in the 1st Round, maybe you take a risk with a QB grooming him for the future much like AR. Yeah, it could blow up on you but it could be a diamond in the rough too.
Maybe in the early second.
But more than likely you are going to have 3 QB’s taken in the top 10.
At this poing I don’t think you get a QB with a top 10 selection if you’re Dallas.
Once again Green Bay did it for a couple of reasons, it was a LOW first rounder and they had a QB that was in his late 30’s.
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Exactly texstar
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I don't get what the argument is here.
I agree if Dallas was picking in the 20’s maybe even in the teens, but I don’t think that if you’re a top 10 pick you need to pick a QB when you have a young guy developing and a starter right now.
Second round comes along and Cam Newton or one of those other guys fall.. then game on.
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ACK! @ Cam Newton
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I know that Danny White was
drafted in the 3rd round, but Staubach was 32 when they drafted him. He sat on the bench for 4 years behind Staubach. Even though he didn’t win the big one, he was a darn good QB. So I’ve said all this to say, that it would be very prudent for the Cowboys to look ahead instead of getting caught with your pants down by drafting a QB to groom. If you think that there is a QB available in the fM
And thats fine
I have no problem with them drafting in the lower rounds.
I just think that unless Andrew Luck is there, the other QB’s aren’t worth it. Wait a year, see where Stephen McGee is with his progress and then do it.
If you do it this year you’re saying that McGee is done for sure, because Kitna has more than proven that he’s a suitable backup for at least another year. Then you’re carrying 4 QB’s or your letting McGee go.
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yeah I'm hoping that McGee sticks....
(even if he is an Aggie-LOL). However, this organization has to stop hanging on to guys too long and not developing guys i.e. Aikman with not good up and coming backup. Novacek and no good up and comer. Stepnoski etc.
Agreed
I was happy with the last preaseason action McGee had with backups against starters. He has made progression.
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But still, hard to know what you have
…in someone whose pedigree was enigmatic (due to injury and offensive philosophy changes) to begin with.
If they like either of the two and none of the DL’s or safetiesthat they want are there, shouldn’t they take one of them?
After all, this team had much bigger needs than Dez, but I think that pick was a worthwhile risk, even though Williams, McCourty and Odrick were there.
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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
get a good GM
Dallas is screwed
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We've had this discussion before...
but after seeing that Bama/Auburn game I’m definitly not on his side. Nick Saban got out coached badly in the second half. There is no excuse for a team with that much offense to be stonewalled by an average at best Auburn defense.
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I used to like Saban .........
but the way he treated the Dolphins was pretty bad plus his going to Alabama really ticked off the fanbase of LSU. He sounds like a jerk that is pretty much self-serving IMHO.
Fork Saban
He’s where he belongs.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yup
Just like Jimmy J.
I don’t think i’d want to hang around w/the guy, but he’s no nonsense and a winner. Maybe a bit like Coughlin in that sense. The players don’t love him, but it can get results.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
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It's hard to defend a sickening loss like that
But they left 18 points off the board in the 1st half and should have been up 42-0!
His coaching looked OK the first 30 mins. !
My feeling is they got outplayed, not outcoached. One premier RB was hurt, an OLineman was down (and the Auburn coaches did learn to abuse the replacement as the game went on, true)
and their starting QB went down (Big Loss!)
Truth is, this just wasn’t the Bama team they had the last 2 years. Their D is above average but has holes.
However, they’re young and look better for next year, at least on D.
But, yeah, that game looked bad the 2nd half. Landry had some stinkers too.
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by Realist Larry on Dec 1, 2010 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah and that's great...
but he got out adjusted.
Auburn does not have that good of a defense. Saban is a great college coach, but he had an opportunity in the NFL and bailed.
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You mean, "failed THEN bailed"
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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Wait till I get to iambic pentameter
…then the party really starts!!!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
perhaps...
Schottenheimer, Marty’s lad, though JG’s displayed more to me over the years, had more chance to than Brian.
JG, sidelines as a player, seeing his work ethic, how he prepared for and made the most of his opportunties, the way he carries himself, it’s long been something I’ve kept my eye on. And I’m not disappointed with the individual, despite how some of his body of work has frustrated me. On the whole, the body of work impresses me.
Unfortunately, I can’t say the same regarding having had an opportunity to observe Brian over an equivalent period, so it’s likely a riskier proposition, IMO obviously.
I’m not a Garrett annointer, rather an evaluator. The man’s displayed admirable qualities, capabilites, as a player and since. Over an evidentiary period of time. Lower risk porpostion, esp. if things continue as they’ve begun. And I’m not talking wins, not now.
Are you getting old when you find yourself talking about coach-from-your-past’s offspring being potential candidates?
It's why you play the game.
Brav-f'n-O
franchise needs a guy who’ll stay 10+ years
Long-term thinking. The great franchises had it. Great ones still do. Stability. Sorely lacking, including in Jimmy’s time. We’ve had it once. Not saying we’ll, any of us, see that kind of individual again in our lifetimes, but it’s a goal to shoot for.
It's why you play the game.
That's right. We need our version of Andy Reid.
I was thinking last night as the Eagles sit atop the NFC East in what should be a rebuilding year for them.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
That's right. We need our version of Andy Reid.
I was thinking last night as the Eagles sit atop the NFC East in what should be a rebuilding year for them.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Is there an echo in here?
Is there an echo in here?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I thought
It was such a great post i would post it twice. ; )
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
You could make that a trademark and post everything twice...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'd like to see JG continue with the HC job next season.
Continue using the rest of this dead campaign to work out the kinks of an inexperienced HC(i.e. continuing to throw out patterns on the final drive when the middle of the field was wide open and you have 2 time-outs left to use). I would much rather give Garrett a legit shot at keeping the gig, than bring in a media-darling re-tread like Gruden, Cowher, Billick, etc. Hopefully JG has the backbone to cut loose a bunch of our past-prime vets and bring in a younger, faster, hungrier crowd. I hope his relationships with the current players won’t cloud his judgement, and he makes the best “football decisions” possible, the way a new HC with no ties to the Cowboys would make.
Dude
great article, very poetic and wonderfully written
by nicholas.rodriguez on Nov 29, 2010 5:36 PM CST reply actions
Thanks Nick
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
"Verve" - Good word!
Seriously, good writeup. I think JG may be the hero we’ve needed for so long
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Thanks MM
What does he have to do to make you believe without a doubt that he is the one?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
For me, it's simple
Continue to keep the authoritative, in command demeanor. And start delegating play calling. HC’s can’t do it all, being HC & DC may have been the reason Wade’s D sucked as bad as it did. I sure wouldn’t want to see it become JG’s Waterloo.
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You might just be the best fanposter here.
Nice work.
Big D believes - One game at a time, Have a great Day.
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You're too kind
I’m just glad you enjoyed it.
I enjoyed writing it.
I’m REALLY enjoying how it plays out.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Good write up Blings..
But I’m kind of with OCC on this one. Yeah I’m excited about the way the team has played so far but I’m in reserve on my judgment. Time will tell this story and I hope like hell it ends the way you do. Once again, well written!
I started out with nothing and still have most of it left
But isn't that the beauty of this whole thing?
Even in the midst of an utterly disastrous season filled with heartbreak and pain, the “new” storyline is one of hope and has the potential to be the kind of defining moment that only America’s Team could conjure up.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
And thanks for the props!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Hope I'm not doing something wrong
I don’t want to break a rule, politeness or anything. Some who haven’t might want to look at the CWCBI files (they’re jpg’s) in this post. (click here)
Hope I didn’t overstep or offend 5Blings or anyone. If so, please let me know, so I know the rules here. Just trying to share with other Cowboy fans. Thanks.
It's why you play the game.
Way too early to pick how this will pan out
So many unknowns, but the trend line is positive.
I think JG didn’t step into the TO mess for several reasons, each in combination with the other:
- Newness to the organization
- Deference to the HC
- Acknowledgment this was JJ’s initiative
And while many credit SJ with influencing Dad on TO’s departure, who’s to say JG wasn’t a prominent back-channel influence to him? Which has been speculated as well.
Make no mistake the principal decision maker is JJ on the whole interim designation, but the relationship to watch for is JG’s with Steven. Also believe JG, with no need to defer to a HC or ownership becomes more direct with both Joneses in stating his preferences in team personnel, process and coaching staff. If named, he will have more leverage than ever before and it will be up to him to use it.
As far as the Brad Johnson and even MBIII debates go, people are allowed to make mistakes, even DAL Cowboy coaches, unlike fans who are never wrong about anything. Especially in hindsight. But errors of commission are infinitely more palatable than omission. See Phillips, Wade for further Ref. Of course, if those rise an unacceptable level, consequences exist, even as they do for us working stiffs.
Indy is wounded, but PHL is scary because of the matchup problems they present for our Defensive backfield. DAL needs to win the games we should – WAS, AZ and probably one we shouldn’t to ensure the continuation of the JG ERA.
May you live in interesting times is a Chinese expression generally considered a proverb, but it’s actually a warning. Doesn’t get any more interesting than the Silver Anniversary edition of the Dallas Cowboys 2010.
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
With you on this
The whole Garrett professional attitude. He’s impressed me more than I’d thought. Not surprised. Impressed. Don’t know enough about Stephen to say for sure he’s going to help the situation, seems like it, even if only as part of organizational change. Operation model’s long been a problem and instituting a more accountable, professionalism and structure top-to-bottom pretty much conceded by Cowboys fans. Interesting times, indeed.
It's why you play the game.
So, you think 3 more wins cement JG as the guy?
What if he only gets 2?
Also, I think Stephen’s star is rising, but I’m not sure what that looks like at VR.
Loved this;
As far as the Brad Johnson and even MBIII debates go, people are allowed to make mistakes, even DAL Cowboy coaches, unlike fans who are never wrong about anything. Especially in hindsight.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Hindsight's...
best saved for the ladies.
Esp. the fan 20/20 variety.
Besides, we’ll have plenty of time at season’s end.
It's why you play the game.
I think 2 more cements it.
Maybe not even that.
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One?
You think he could go 3-5 over the last 8 and still be the guy?
With guys like Fox, Fisher, Cowher, Gruden, Rob Ryan and others out there?
Hmmmm.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yep depends on how he loses, injuries that occur
But I think he will win 2 probably 3
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I think 3-5 trumps the re-treads
but might give Jerry a reason to look at some young coordinators.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Nov 30, 2010 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Rob Ryan might look good to Jerry, especially with the draft picks so defense-oriented over the last decade
…and even moreso if he thought Rob could bring in a top flight OC with him.
But I think Jerry will look to an Offensive guy, which gives JG a leg up on his competition.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
dammit, get out of my head, Blings
crowded enough in there with all the other voices.
It's why you play the game.
Maybe that's why there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
When you have to fend off all those other voices to eat.
"May you live in interesting times" is actually a chinese curse. But you got the point.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Nov 30, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Unless we solve the current GM problems.
I don’t hold out much hope the Cowboys having staying power. When and if we turn things around. We’ll get a favorable schedule a time or two, but when the winds of change hits with a brutal schedule. The Cowboys will fold like a cheap suit.
All due to a failed system the GM has devised. The guy is a below average GM. Time for us to be realistic enough to realize. The guy is out of his depth. If he wasn’t he would have made better progress than the current 15 yr run. I mean c’mon this system is his system and he has no one to blame but himself for the crappy results,….. and no giving empty apologies is not going to help the team, nor instill confidence this system will ever work.
Jerry is too focused on doing things his way, rather than what’s best for the team. Like a petulant adolescent with a new Christmas toy. He refuses to do the right thing regardless of failed results. I mean after all it is his toy/team. That’s not to say we as fans have to stick our heads in the sand and pretend the guy will one day wake up and morph into a winning GM. He has to fall an his GM’s sword and get proven professional advisers in this regard. Until then, I predict we’ll be discussing more articles like this. Finally, unless that hero comes in the form of a top notch GM. Then to borrow a phrase, “As they say in fencing. What’s the point?”
Interesting!
He has to fall an his GM’s sword and get proven professional advisers in this regard. Until then, I predict we’ll be discussing more articles like this.
Who, in your opinion, would make good professional advisers?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I tried that!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You're in
Got my vote. Near slipped into a coma laughing so hard. And with the choices, strategy. fsck, you’re good. And if you screw up, at least it’ll be fun. Outstanding.
It's why you play the game.
Yeah, I figure if you're going to fail, at least have it be epic and provide fans some comedic fodder
Ciskowski fails and does so under the radar!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Epic failure
Just what I’d love to see fail this year. ;
The laughs you’ve given me sure help and are appreciated. Insights too.
At least, if you do it, it’ll be out there and more enjoyable.
btw, your sig, loved it from the second I saw it. He was a wise man. Observation only.
It's why you play the game.
I took Wooden's loss personally
Met him once and it’s a moment I will NEVER forgret.
When I hear people say coaches can’t get players to play better, I scoff at their ignorance.
In fact, strangely enough, isn’t that the central point of this post?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Grok'd
Chancing on someone in life that has that kind of effect on one is a gift. Your scoff’d, did, bring a smile to my face and we both know it’s not strange at all, the coincidence of point and influenced perspective. Let’s just say the wise impart their gift to fertile fellow-travellers.
It's why you play the game.
It is and you continue to prove it with your lack of evidence to the contrary
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
my evidence is the talent currently on the roster
that doesn’t happen without Ciskowski
In Romo we Trust
Robert Brewster, James Marten, Pat McQuistan, Sam Young
You continually deride the team’s o-line but want to heap praise on Cisky. How can he not also be accountable for the failures in Dallas’ drafts since Tuna left?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Lets not overly praise the Tuna either.
He was responsible for some pretty horrible picks as well.
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Well, hang on...
The Cowboys 5 best players are from his time here with Ireland;
Ware, Witten, Ratliff, Austin and Romo all came on board during Tuna’s tenure.
Multiple drafts thereafter, no one has cracked that list from the draftees Dallas has brought in during the Jerry-Cisky era. If you want to know why we have big holes in certain very painful areas, you may want to start there.
I’m not a Tuna devotee by any stretchof the imagination, but the Cowboys’ talent level shot upwards while he was here, not so much since he left.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I won't argue that...
Just saying that there was some pretty big pimples on that resume as well.
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Agree with you both
Parcell’s isn’t perfect, no one is, and he’s been in the game long enough to display it. You’re both so bang on it shows thoughtful consideration of fact. He’s both done well in the NFL and made mistakes.
It's why you play the game.
Yeah, even Polian, Reese and Pioli have had some big misses
…but they’ve also had big hits.
Has Cisky had any big hits since Tuna left?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
sweet jeez...
answers come when ya least expect. He’s been hitting the bong. Explains much.
It's why you play the game.
truthfully...
think the jury’s still out. To be fair, one’d have to wait till all players careers were over.
Give’em a fair trial before the hangin’. Gets ya outta jury duty too. ;
And yes, I do understand your qualification being “big”, as in immediately impactful. Closest I’d dare say’d be Beuhler, and jury’s out on that and might not meet your definition of “big”.
It's why you play the game.
same...
with Felix. Sure, not what we’d hoped, better choices could’ve been made with the 20/20 hindsight, perhaps. But the related players careers are not over.
Sorry, Blings, what’s your definition of a “big hit”? I’m curious, for this and future reference.
It's why you play the game.
Jason Witten
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You do aim high
Nothing wrong with that. Just the Witten’s don’t come along that often. And I agree 100%, but I’m biased, extremely biased (see comments in recent Witten article, if you care to).
Big hit for you = HUGE hit for me. Got it. Thanks.
It's why you play the game.
Weren't Marten and Mcquistan...
both Tuna picks, I know McQuistan was.
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How does one find out who was whose pick???
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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Well...
Parcells was super high on McQuistan, he was one of his pet cats.
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Whose pet cat was Isaiah Stanback??
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Ugggg
that was a Jerry move.
Hey man I’m not defending Jerry, just saying that there some picks thrown away with Bill too.
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Yep, Barbie and Jacob Rogers to name a couple
…and don’t forget he passed on Steven Jackson in favor of Julius Jones.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
remember what your Mom'd say...
be nice to the slow kids, it’s not really their fault.
It's why you play the game.
In-person,
in the room. And first-hand experience of the time, the machinations, the works. Only way.
It's why you play the game.
Young has good potential
McQuistan was a 7th rounder and the jury is still out on Brewster, he could still develop.
Notice you didn’t mention Free, he slip your mind?
In Romo we Trust
No, I was pointing to your constant berating of the line relative and your praise of Cisky
They seem incongruous.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Ciscowski just puts the board together
Jerry makes the picks, to blame Ciskowski for drafts doesn’t make sense.
In Romo we Trust
No offense...
but possibility exists of garbage in, garbage out situation.
Not saying that ever happened, just that the possibility exists.
Personally, they’re both involved, both bear responsibility. Am not blaming. It’s an authority and responsibility issue.
It's why you play the game.
Didn't you just give him credit for 2005's draft (when he wasn't as big an influencer) above?
Really Terry, do you expect me to forget what you post in the same thread?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Might be basing hope on the senility option...
though I ain’t seen evidence. Yet. ;
It's why you play the game.
Oh, I have my moments...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
The little blackouts...
in the middle of the day are kinda refreshing though. At least for me. ;
It's why you play the game.
Like a siesta!!!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You do realize
wit’s a marker for intelligence. And no, it’s not a question. Observation.
Bring on the tequila and the nap.
It's why you play the game.
Yes, he does expect you to forget. Terry does that all the time
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and elsewhere you wil argue that Jerry is a good gm and cannot be blamed for bad choices because he just does what the scouts tell him to do
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He lives by the motto...
I’m right no matter what.
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No, that's MY motto
:-)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Beg to differ there, big fella...
It’s definitely not a claim I can make nor would, but how in the hell are we supposed to decide which of you it belongs to? Record of non-contradictory statements that are based on fact? ;
It's why you play the game.
Thumb wrestling
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
While it'd be entertaining...
to put you two physically in the same place, I question the safety of the idea.
It's why you play the game.
It is, but this time, I agree that the
scouting staff should be looked at. Are THEY giving JJ the best options? Neither Terry, nor any of us, can know that, but JJ does. If he’s going on scouting recs on the O line, for example, time to get some new scouts.
Cisky is the latest iteration of Larry Lacewell
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Well,.......
Who, in your opinion, would make good professional advisers?
My NFL list is:
Marty Schottenheimer
Dan Reeves
Doug Whaley
My collegiate AD list:
Bob Bowlsby-Standford
Jeremy Foley-Florida
Dan Guerrero-UCLA
My selection is entirely based on verifiable effective administrative and leadership qualities exhibited over the course of their perspective tenures. The question is how will this translate to an owner who’s resistant to innovative forward thinking professionals? You never know, events could lend itself to changes beneficial towards our mutual end. Getting back to the winning “Cowboy Way”.
Guerrero has a whole list of problems
I don’t hink he’s shown enough to warrant that kind of role. In fact, I don’t see this as something where an AD would make sense, especially since they are currently generalists and what Jerry needs most is true football people (not named Cisky) around him.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Hmmmmmm,
I find that comment interesting. Being that you claim the Bruins football and basketball teams. Care to share as to why you would be so objectionable to your AD? Something we should know? Or maybe you have the perfect guy for the GM job you’ve yet to reveal. Yes? No?
It's a good post about a good guy.
I like JG & I like what he has done for the team’s attitude. There are many things I like about him. There are also many doubts I have about him. And as HC he needs an OC.
But none of it matters until the owner fires the GM. Please don’t tell me that jj the owner is great & jj the GM is awful. A great owner does not allow a sorry GM to continue in his job for 15 yrs…. unless he loves himself more than the Organization.
It’s always going to be the 800 lb gorilla in the room until it changes.
"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders
I think it's different when the Owner and his GM are one and the same
It’s unlike any other situation and I can imagine that his ego is not unlike any other GM. How many of them resign because of poor drafting or coaching hires?
It just doesn’t happen.
Expecting Jerry the GM to resign (which is essentially what you are asking for) is unlikely. I think a more likely outcome is a modification of the structural model.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Blings, congrats on the award
Not the reason you wrote it, but well-deserved.
It's why you play the game.
Great Post!!!! I really enjoyed it
I’m pulling for Garrett to get the job for several reasons.
1. All candidates have issues, just because someone has had success as a HC doesn’t mean he will again. Also, if they had success they also failed or they would still be with their previous team.
2. Don’t underestimate the value Jerry would put on a great feel good story. Ex-player from Jerry’s glory days.
3. A good leader is also a good follower. Many question how Jason did things as an assistant. Why didn’t he get better o-linemen or make some of the cultural changes that he has now. Primary because he respected what Wade was doing….he was a good follower.
4. Great communicator. I think his style of communication may be better then Jimmy’s, Bill’s, or Wade’s as far as communicating to the owner. His style of communication will be better then Wade or Bill’s while communicating to the players.
5. I also don’t think the number of wins will be the most important factor in removing the interim from the title. I think it will have more to do with attitude, change in culture, and that ability to communicate to the players and the owner.
Thank you sir
I will challenge you on one thing;
A good leader is also a good follower. Many question how Jason did things as an assistant. Why didn’t he get better o-linemen or make some of the cultural changes that he has now. Primary because he respected what Wade was doing….he was a good follower.
I think Jerry needs a HC coach who can, at times, not be so submissive as JG was with Wade. I see no reason Jason could not have whispered to Stephen or Jerry himself and said, “we’re too soft on the players” or “tell wade to make us practice in pads more often”.
No, this team won’t win with a highly compliant yes-man at HC. We have history we can rely on to validate that.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
oops, meant to reply to you, staubachfan...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
while I agree with you 5Blings
who is to say that Jason didn’t whisper in Stephens ear? Or if he didn’t it was because he felt that it wasn’t his place to say anything? While I don’t see Jason as a “yes-man” I do see a person who would be uncomfortable “going behind the back” so to speak
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant
I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
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I was just about to type the same thing.
I don’t think not going behind your bosses back to another boss and saying “we should do this” is particularly right. In fact I think I think as a career decison that would have been really bad. I don’t think you want to burn bridges with people.
Certainly in Dallas. Jesus, imagine if Ed Werder got ahold of that news, it would be running on Sportscenter 7 nights a week.
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+1
that just what Dallas’ would have needed. Give ed Weiner more fodder……..
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"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant
I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
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Why do people care so much about EW?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I don't particularly...
but that would be another circus that the team would have to deal with.
The Browns… probably nobody would care, the Cowboys… oh yeah they would.
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Isn't Dallas constantly a circus of sorts?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
True Blings
but mostly it is of the One ring variety…Jerry Jones being the ringmaster, but it doesn’t take much for the media to open up the other 2 rings and make it a FULL BLOWN Barnum and Bailey affair.
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant
I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
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I've been a fan for too long to worry about those things
…as they seem like par for the course when your team of choice is the Dallas Cowboys.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Don't tell me...
you’ve become immunized to the media-hype, good, bad and otherwise and have begun to think for yourself? Heaven forbid. Are you in for a harshly entertaining and amusing path in life. ;
It's why you play the game.
No, but I have come to appreciate the fact that it is a fact of Cowboys-fan life
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
No doubt about it.
My feeble attempt at humour related to a quote your comment made me think of.
Think for yourself. Otherwise you have to believe what other people tell you.
It's why you play the game.
Apologies
He said, and I think it applies in spades to Dallas and Jerry,
"Without promotion something terrible happens… Nothing!"
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
He does his job well...
and BTW, took you long enough to get over here and read this.
I was hurt.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Wow...really Fernie?
…and tell me again why I shouldn’t feel slighted?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Well said
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You expected less?
Now, I’m hurt. ;
No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child. - A. Lincoln
Illegitimus non carborundum.
You have to find ways to be successful DESPITE your boss' shortcomings
People who rise to the top know that.
Everyone in the organization has to put aside their emotions and commit to doing whatever they can to propel the organization forward.
You can’t ask Jerry to fire himself as GM without saying that each employee in the organization must be candid and honest about all things Cowboys.
Loyalty above all else, except honor.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Dude...
I think you’re a tad unrealistic about this.
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One thing I have learned
You don’t want to be the victim of someone else’s inabilities.
If Jerry had not stepped out of character and done something he was not comfortable doing (those of you who can’t find anything redeeming about Jerry, please take note) and severing Wade mid-season, Jason would likely have been nothing more than collateral damage at the end of the year when Jerry finally let Winnie go and brought in a retread who would want to build an entirely new staff.
The bridge was burning, IF. The problem is that Jason was standing in the middle of it trying to fly under the radar and Jerry saved him.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
And I don't disagree with you on most of that...
I just think that you make things out to be bigger than they are sometimes, and alot of times you are making tons of speculation.
Jason Garrett’s book has yet to be written. In any organization you can only do so much as the #2 guy. There is a fine line between trying to improve and overstepping your boundaries.
If Garrett was running how they practice, when they practice, and all that… why even have Wade as the head coach?
IMO judging him now on something that might or might not of happened, is not a fair assessment. Assess him as a head coach, and see what results come about.
None of us know him personally, although Terry acts like he does, so it’s impossible to say how he felt during the last couple of years or how he dealt with it.
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"and alot of times you are making tons of speculation"
Well duh…
why even have Wade as the head coach?
Well, double duh…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Kidding aside...
it is obvious that he wasn’t able to influence Wade in any way shape or form. This is surprising to me, given how democratic Wade was in his decision making.
All of that having been said, you have to believe that influencing Wade is an easier task than influencing Jerry, don’t you?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I think some things are easy to influence...
but “cultural things” and almost to an extent Wades personality would have had to change are something different.
The practices, the accountability, all of those things are an aspect of his personality. I think that it would be difficult to make a 60 year old man change the way he practically is.
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Ahem, speaking of conjecture
Let’s not start assuming things we have no evidence about and just look at possibilities;
If JG is the guy we think he is, it seems he subjugated himself to Wade or didn’t try hard enough to get his point across. either way, he took a public beating for his offense’s anemic and penalty-ridden performance.
Now, if we’re saying he did try to make his point and failed, then I think you’d agree that changing Wade’s 60-year old mind is easier than changing Jerry’s nearly 70-year old mind, right?
If we’re saying he chose the better part of valor and kept his mouth shut, then there’s some insinuation that he’s a pansy, yes-man kinda guy who will fold up like a lawn chair every time there is the first sign of disagreement on Jerry’s brow.
I just don’t think we can Jason the benefit of the doubt on all fronts here.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I think you are searching for something...
and while I respect your opinions, hell I rec everything you write, I think you are digging way too deep.
This is something that no one will ever know, but there were reports before the season that there was a bit of a rift between Wade and Jason.
There is a fine line between being standup and mutiny.
It’s called choosing your battles.
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Can we agree that it's just very difficult to know what he did or didn't do, based on where we sit?
And if we can, then he still has to be accountable for an offense that didn’t score well and got a ton of penalties on his watch, right?
Whatever rift existed would make me nervous given this would be the second time (T.O. being the first) where he was overly silent.
I have said over and over that Jerry needs a personality as brash and cocksure as his own at HC if he is to be kept in check.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Absolutely.
I think that if we didn’t have doubts that would be stupid.
I do think that there was a difficult situation laid out for him already. If Wade had hired him, perhaps it would have been a little easier. That situation kind of was strange anyways.
I think he has alot of things going for him.
He isn’t afraid to ask for advice, and the fact that Jimmy Johnson supports him isn’t a bad thing. I think that it does help that he can look at all of these players and say, “Hey I am part of this organization, I’ve played for this team, I’ve been around Super Bowl winners.” I heard or read somewhere that Aikman could care less when any of his other backups were playing but had a ton of respect for Garrett because he went out of his way to help Aikman as well.
Not saying that is a recipe for success, but it at least means that he’s seen a winning formula first hand.
Not sure if Wade really ever did.
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Interesting, as always...
Are you suggesting that in order to blueprint a winner, you have to have experienced a certain degree of winning?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Not to interfere...
in a great debate, but “have to”? No. Might it help, prove beneficial? Probably. Don’t think Iron was saying/implying “have to”.
Carry on, gentlemen. This’s great. My nose’s out.
It's why you play the game.
Yeah I definitly don't think "have to"...
but I think that it probably helps to a degree. You can at least see something that at some point worked.
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Yep, part of it...
Was just making point to Blings that I didn’t get “have to” from your comment and great debate. Lovin’ it. Carry on, please.
It's why you play the game.
THEN NO ONE ON THE EAGLES STAFF IS WORTH HIRING!!!
Sorry…had to.
:-)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Knew there were other reasons...
I’d share beer/scotch time with you.
Loyalty above all else, except honor.
It's why you play the game.
I truly believe in that, and think all men should
If society could get to that point, we’d have a much better world.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Ditto, agreed and yes
Believed it myself long ago.
No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child. - A. Lincoln
Illegitimus non carborundum.
I'm sure good OC's and DC's get fired all the time in the NFL because of their "respect"
On the other hand, guys like Rex Ryan ensure that things are done right, each time, all the time.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
wrong
Rex Ryan didn’t over step his bounds at Baltimore, he respected the HCs authority.
In Romo we Trust
He ran things his way and influenced the HC enough to let him...
agree or disagree?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
disagree
HCs run things their way and assistant coaches have to follow their lead. Ryan was no different.
In Romo we Trust
I don't think Winnie did
In fact, I said as much here.
I think Jason had plenty of latitude to do whatever the heck he wanted to because of the mere fact that he was JERRY’S BOY. To say otherwise would be to characterize Winnie as a much more controlling and less democratic leader than we now know him to have been. In fact, if Winnie exercised half of the domineering personna that you suggest, I would posit that the Cowboys would never have sunk as low as they have.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Work the problem, gentlemen
Aside from the coaching/technical skills, the most critical requirements of any candidate (retread or new) include:
1. Leadership
2. Ability to communicate with and collaborate with the owner and GM (currently embodied in one Jerry Jones)
3. Ability to influence the organizational changes required to improve the Cowboys (related to #2)
4. Potential longevity
here
Esp. #3, inferring #2.
Who can, who can’t. Simple.
It's why you play the game.
Help, please
Puzzled and in a quandry.
1. Coaching decisions, inc. play calling, is the difference between winning and losing games.
2. Player execution and performance is the difference between winning and losing games.
Not to plagarize another poster, but isn’t it both?
Speaking in absolutes, in logic, the foundation of reasoning. One can sometimes alleviate the other (or make up for it, occasionally), but if players even perfectly execute a significantly flawed or downright wrong gameplan for the situation doesn’t that equate to loss? Conversely, given a perfect gameplan, poorly executed, loss. Wrong/bad gameplan, flawed execution, loss.
Scratching my head. The logic’s eluding me.
It's why you play the game.
George S.Patton said,
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
D@amn, guys
Blings, Iron Fist. the lot of you, reading your comments is entertaining. Thought-provoking sometimes, amusing, runs the gamut even to dismaying. But mostly entertaining. Thanks for them.
It's why you play the game.
Seen this movie before
JG didn’t fight hard enough for OLineman in the draft. Didn’t stand up to TO(which actually has been disputed), on and on ad naseum.
In business it’s called sphere of control which is another phrase for span of authority. As opposed to sphere of influence, which by definition does not carry as much weight. I’ve learned influence is as much self-regulated as not – i.e., you pick your battles. I have spent a large part of my career countering the shortcomings of my bosses and made a pretty good living out of it. To cap it off, JG had 2 bosses to overcome – 1 proved not competent; the other, simply delusional(I’ll let readership debate who is who). Suffice to say the Peter Principle applied to the former.
We can speculate which battles JG chose to fight and which not, but his ascension to a spot of much greater authority will take a lot of that speculation out of this.
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
Ahhh, yet another...
who saw Wade as the PP poster-child. Properly applied, knock the person one step back, to their level of most effective competence.
Your PP comment displayed your opinion in the incompetent/delusional debate. Or am I reading you wrong?
It's why you play the game.
figured, but thanks for letting me know
At least I can still deduce the obvious. ;
It's why you play the game.
I have an acute grasp of the obvious
Served me well over the years
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
Are you assuming that he keeps the current job into next year?
Also, I made a point about the tenuous position he was in because he WASN’T doing a better job as the OC. If Jerry had played it out like he said would (and waitied to fire Winnie until after 16), the likely outcome would have had JG working in another city this time next year.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
yep, it woulda...
Say, isn’t that a first, barest indication of Jerry defying his norm? Perhaps there’s hope on this whole revision thing yet. Start of a trend. Now I see your reason for that optimism in the operational model changing. Never thought of Wade’s good-bye as the hello to a new dawn.
It's why you play the game.
Yes, I think it is
I’m on record as saying the operating model is going to change.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
that's what I was referring to...
Above meant I see why you were more optimistic than me about it. Past comments on this I was further in the “I’ll have to see it” camp than you, meaning I was less optimistic, but hopeful you were correct in that.
It's why you play the game.
See, and I think it supports the entire delusional aspect of JJ's personality(as if you didn't know)
What he wants to see/believe becomes what he does see and believe. More so what you he wants everyone else to see and believe. And literally buy into.
How else can you explain: 500 guys can coach the Cowboys, Joey Galloway is worth 2 #1 Draft picks, Q Carter or Alan Ball belong on any NFL team, MBIII/RW et al are worth big-time contracts, etc., etc.
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
But let's be careful...
he watched Jimmy make huge deals (Herschel) then mimicked him with the Deion signing two years after Jimmy left and they won a 5th bling as a result.
His early success (and we wouldn’t have won #5 without Deion) left an indelible impression on him. He’s been striving to duplicate the kind of success that came from those moves since 1995.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
No offense, tdships...
that’s misjudgement, not delusion (with respect to your “How else can you explain” comment).
Appears to me that you and Blings are arguing from two different perspectives, one based on personality-type and one on character trait. Related, yet different aspects of the whole of a person. Am just trying to help you two come to common understanding of the whole of this complex problem, not get involved in your debate. Look forward to you two trading comments, struggling to resolve it.
It's why you play the game.
I am in violent agreement
But while aspects of the game have changed, JJ keeps trying to recapture the magic of 16 years ago. Somewhere along the way he discovered you can fool all of the people some of the time. After fooling yourself, of course.
This is sounding a little too bitter, I actually love what JJ has done for the Boys, but I am waking up to the fact that the credit he’s enjoyed from the success of the 90’s has been cashed in. And I believe there’s now a Balance Due.
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
With you on the balance due...
as, I think, most are.
You don’t come across as “bitter” to me. Disheartened, disillusioned perhaps, but not bitter.
We’ll get though it. Even if it means having to wait for new ownership. Hope it doesn’t, but if it does, we’ll get there. And pray it ain’t worse. It could be, I know you realize it, you see Jerry’s done good and bad by our team, you just want a winner again like we all do. We’ll get there.
It's why you play the game.
Think this thread will hit 400 comments 5blings?
would that your personal record?
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant
I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 4, 2010 11:01 AM CST reply actions
Nah, he's been over a thousand
His two most heavily commented have both been draft threads:
One Man’s View of Dallas’ 2010 Draft – 1005, May 2010
NFL Drafting 101 – 504, Jan 2010
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 4, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
You track that stuff?
Here’s a question from one of those posts.
How do you feel about the Lee and Lissemore picks now?
I suggested Burnett, DuCasse or Cody instead and I think all of them would contribute more to THIS team than Lee has. Again, you don’t know until you know and Lee looks to have upside, but…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
How'd ya feel now knowing Big Brother's watching
Give ya a nice warm fuzzy feeling?
No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child. - A. Lincoln
Illegitimus non carborundum.
Actually, I should know better
OCC sees all and knows all.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Thanks for the heads-up
Note to self: Don’t PO OCC. Unless necessary. ;
No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child. - A. Lincoln
Illegitimus non carborundum.
ha ha ha - no I don't track that
But I remembered that you hit 1,000 comments once, so I hit the ‘Fanpost’ tab at the top of the page, clicked on the ‘most popular of all time’ list view, and about 10 or so clicks later had found both of those posts. I needed more time to type the comment, hyperlinks and all, than to find the two posts.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 5, 2010 3:22 AM CST up reply actions
Regardless, I'm still sticking with the Note to Self
No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child. - A. Lincoln
Illegitimus non carborundum.
How did I miss that Post?
I know I have been at least lurking since before the Draft…. but 1000+ comments? Daaaaand!
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant
I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 4, 2010 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
It wasn't what I consider one of my best works
…but looking back, I’d say my grades were pretty solid after 2/3 of a season.
It’s early, but I blew up the site after the 2009 draft when everyone was saying those players were going to be good and how they were cycling through the bottom of the roster. Clearly I was in the minority, but stood my ground.
I think now, they feel shame (Slap Shot reference) and I’m sad that I was right.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You just keep revealing reasons...
why that beer/scotch interlude’d be time well spent, from my perspective.
…in the minority, but stood my ground.Last comment on such things. They’re a given and frankly don’t really surprise me. That is, last comment on such things unless you do surprise me.
…sad that I was right.
No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child. - A. Lincoln
Illegitimus non carborundum.
D@mn, it's already causing my machine to cave...
You mean it could get to 2-3 times this? I’ll never be able to read it.
No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child. - A. Lincoln
Illegitimus non carborundum.
same here Tan
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant
I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 4, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions
These guys with their terabyte RAM and petabyte disk, eh
Never think of the little guy, poor woeful us. ;
No man stands so tall as when he stoops to help a child. - A. Lincoln
Illegitimus non carborundum.
and me with my Wally -World Computer
with a Mere 23 so odd Gb’s of hard drive space…..
"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain
"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant
I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 4, 2010 7:01 PM CST reply actions
Get an Apple
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

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