Cowboys Players Begin 9-Week Audition For New Coaching Staff Tonight
A lot of discussion here and elsewhere in recent weeks has focused on some of the individual mistakes that have been key in some of the Cowboys' six losses and cumulatively may have been a big part of why the Cowboys are 1-6.
Alex Barron's holding penalty on the final play of the Redskins game. Tashard Choice's fumble in the same game. Chris Gronkowski's missed block that resulted in Romo's injury. Alan Ball's consistently disappointing play at safety. Jason Williams and Michael Hamlin both looking like fools against Arian Foster. Notice a theme here? These are all bit players in a star-studded Dallas Cowboys team. Who's keeping tabs on our stars' performance?
Dallas is a system that is built around star players. When they don't come through, forget about the bit players picking up the slack. After the break, we look at the performance of some of the Cowboys stars, Troy Aikman weighs in on what the success model of the Cowboys is, and how they've gotten away from it.
Miles Austin leads the team in penalties with six. That is more than every single player on the Cowboys' penalty-prone O-line who have collectively been called for 23 penalties, according to Bob Sturm who keeps a running tally of these things. The usually reliable Jason Witten has been called for four penalties, second behind Austin among the offensive skill players. And while Miles Austin ranks fourth in the league in receiving yards, he has also dropped six passes, which ranks him is tied for first in the league with the Eagles Brent Celek, the Rams Brandon Gibson, Randy Moss and the always reliable (in this stat) Terrell Owens.
On defense, DeMarcus Ware not only lost contain on a couple of runs against the Jaguars, but also did not record a single tackle in the whole game for only the second time in his career. Jay Ratliff and Anthony Spencer are shells of their former selves.
So what can we expect against the Packers tonight? Will the Cowboys, led by their stars, fight back or will lie down again like they did against the Jaguars?
The DMN's Jean-Jacques Taylor summarizes the situation succinctly:
The Cowboys played so poorly that Wade, an eternal optimist, lamented his team's lack of passion and fortitude. That's a fancy way of Wade saying he thought his team quit either on him or against Jacksonville. Now, you should understand why it's so important for us to see if the Cowboys will play hard for an entire game:
[...] Wade has no idea whether his team will play hard or lay it down against the Packers. None of us will until they face some adversity in Green Bay. Then these Cowboys will either fight back or give up and get blown out.
The Cowboys should at least try harder tonight. Now that it's clear that Wade Phillips is a dead man walking, the players will be playing for their careers and use the remaining nine weeks to audition for whoever will be on the new coaching staff.
Troy Aikman weighs in on the Cowboys success model.
With wholesale coaching changes inevitable, Troy Aikman reflected in an interview with KTCK-AM 1310 (partial transcript here) what the success model for the Cowboys has looked like in the past.
Aikman points out that while some franchises haven't won anything yet, and thus don't really know what it takes to win, the Cowboys do have a winning model.
Aikman argues that for the players on the team, it doesn't really matter who is making the personnel decisions, the owner, the GM, the coaches or somebody else. So whether Jerry hires a GM or a 'consultant', continues to run things the way he does or hands over more responsibility to his sons is of little to no consequence for the players. We fans and large parts of the media tend to get lost in endless debates about Jerry's role in the franchise. Irrelevant, says the man with three Super Bowl rings.
What mattered above all else was having a coach in the house who the players had to answer to, and Aikman uses the Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells years as examples. Those were coaches the players felt were in control, and if the players didn't do what either of these coaches were asking of them, there'd be hell to pay.
"My point is there's a model that has been successful for Jerry Jones and that is have a head coach that everyone knows is in charge and the players have to respect that and they're going to be held accountable.
"It's not going to be, hey, they played real hard - we're 1-6 but we played real hard. Who says that? If you look around the league in the history of sports, for the most part, the head coaches you look at and say, "Hey, what a great head coach," was somebody who held players accountable.
"That's kind of my thoughts on the topic. I just got done doing New England last Sunday. They've got some talented young players. Are they more talented than the Cowboys? I don't know, but I don't think they are. But they're 6-1, they're pretty good and they don't make mistakes and beat themselves.
In Jason Williams, the Cowboys earlier this week cut their top draft pick from a year ago. Nick Eatman from the mothership let it be known that Williams was cut for a couple of reasons, and his poor attitude and dedication to get better were big reasons why.
Cutting some players on the periphery - like Curvin Richards at the time - was how Jimmy Johnson sent a message to his teams and got their attention.
The Cowboys this week kicked off their back to basics approach. Will Jerry Jones also go back to what has been a proven winning model in the past, and hire a coach from the 'hell-to-pay' school of coaching?
Regardless of who it'll be, the first thing that guy is likely to say to Jerry is "Give me the audition tapes of my players. Starting with the Green Bay game".
Only this time around, the stars are on notice too.
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I hope we lay down
I`m cheering for the Packers to win big. The last thing we need is for Jerry to think we are on the right track that we can turn this around without making drastic changes, that we can win with Montrae Holland and Leonard Davis and Alan Ball etc etc etc, we don`t want him thinking we know how to draft and continue to rate 1rst and 2nd rd prospect with 4th rd grades but then draft Oline players in rd 3 and 4 with 7th rd grades. We don`t want him thinking that he can take us back to the top with another yes man hire. Yes we need Wade gone but Jerry needs to step aside as well.
Disagree
I think the best case scenario is for the players to rise up on their own accord, despite their coach. Show the new coaches that they’ll have something to work with besides a bunch of slap dick pushovers. The ones that don’t can get shown the door, and good riddance.
The problem with that is Jerry is so blind now he will think Wade is the reason for the turn around and give him another shot..
Now wouldn’t that be baffling?
Even a turd in the bowl can occasionally score a goal...
You Know UT
I think Wade is a good coach, just not a good one for this team. This team and organization has always responded only to a hard-ass type. Sad, but true. I think because of the hoopla that will always surround the Dallas Cowboys.
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
I dont
Wade is a DC at best
he doesnt adjust isnt creative is not a leader or inspiring and is soft
exactly what head coach is not
jmo but I hate Wade with a passion now
now he did a great job last year i really thought he did a good job coaching especially after the San Diego game
but 2007 2008 2010 he has been bad
1 year he has been good, not a good ratio
by Archie Barberio on Nov 7, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions
I mean a good coach
as a defensive coordinator.
I also believe he is not doing his Dcoordinatoor job well now, because he is HC. That’s why it is failure, failure, failure…..
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
But don't say that too loud Dire Wolf
you’ll get all the people that think coach’s don’t have to be hardnosed to succeed, and start a whole movement going with how Wade has been good, and keep things status quo.
Meanwhile, I want a Coach that will fight Jerry on issues about the team, for Jerry’s benefit. Even if there is media coverage of “Jerry vs. Gruden”, Or “Jerry vs Cowher”, or “Jerry vs. whomever”, wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. Someone that is talented offensively, and help JG to playcall better, and become a better run offense coach. And have the Kahuna’s to stand up to a star that is underperforming, and bench him in favor of a backup.
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
I think Wade might be a good coach for high school...maybe college but def not the NFL..
DC at best…
Even a turd in the bowl can occasionally score a goal...
that sounds nice Ziggy but players like Austin, Spencer, Felix, Witten, Romo, Etc
aren’t stepping up & getting there jobs done to lead the way. if this team is built around “star” players then don’t expect the JAGs to step up when they see the “star” players slacking off or doing whatever they want.
this BS about no accountibility & lack of leadership from the coaches to the “star” players has exposed this current squad for what it is. its hard to teach an old dog new tricks & if the next head coach has the right formula for getting the best out of his players then don’t be surprised if he guts the roster starting at the top.
i couldn’t care less what name is on back of the jersey just as long as play hard. $150 million dollar roster full of underachievers & overrated players don’t win championships in the NFL.
OCC
What effect do you think the pending CBA will have on Jerry in considering Wade since he does have one more year on his contract and the players he may want to trade , cut or obtain at year end knowing there is a possibility of a work stoppage of some sort? I personally believe they woulld be foolish to mess with the golden goose that has allowed all to prosper, but there seems to a lot of drum pounding going on.
The back to basics is something you install and teach in preseason and the OTA’s , this is a team that returned most of it’s starters, they should be showing the rookies the basics not have to get retraining themselves.
Last year we were all excited about the Cowboys getting more Character guys. I myself was one them. Character guys don’t lay down and take the beating that these guys have been taking without a fight. I hope I see heart and passion for the rest of the season or the Cowboy’s will have to redefine the word character.
i think the "Basics" are installed when the coach first gets here
if you haven’t done it in 3 or 4 years then don’t expect it to change in 1 week. if Wade doesn’t have the players to execute the basics on the field or Wade did a poor job installing them is yet to be seen. some of the players have the same problems now they had when Parcells was here so its hard to point a finger at 1 thing.
hopefully Jerry gets it figured out & hires the right head coach for the job but you never know which Jerry your going to get.
Can someone explain why the owners would allow a work stoppage to occur?
Everything I read indicates a lockout is looming, including Jerry’s hesitation to hire a new coach and staff even after the season.
The owners have a hard cap, billions in television contracts, and all but the small market teams are bound to be making money. They’ve gotten everything they want, including league parity.
And they want the players to agree to a smaller percentage of the gross?
And they’re willing to lock them out if the players don’t acquiesce?
As one who remembers the previous “lockout season” and replacement players, I certainly hope it doesn’t come to that. But, hey, if there’s no football next year, that’ll free up a lot more time for getting other things done. And I won’t be on here for hours every week, even in the offseason, following the team’s roster moves. I might even pick up on college football again.
At any rate, I hope OCC is right and that there is a new staff and this is a nine week tryout for them. Otherwise I’ve got a whole list of “honey-do’s” that I’ll have to address.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
the owners have there butts covered
i’m pretty sure the owners got the TV contracts set up where they still get paid even in the event of a lockout. the big markets don’t care about the small markets bc they have to share money with them & they would rather see a team like the Jaguars in LA.
the players are going to be forced to come to the table with the owners & agree to play more games in order to get a few extra peanuts they want. to the average person it seems silly that the players are worried about money bc they make so much but compared to what the business (NFL) is making its just peanuts really. its also about the care, retirement of past players & other things that are legit but its mostly about money. also the players want the owners to open there books up to see how much there really making but the owners don’t want to.
It is not the owners "allowing" a work stoppage; a lockout means the owners will be causing the work stoppage
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Austin's "drop problem" is a myth...
His catch rate is so far 65% – EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS LAST YEAR.
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr
http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr2009
His drop total is high because he’s being thrown to a lot, not because he’s failing at a higher rate than last year.
Catch rate just measures how many of the passes thrown in Austin’s general vicinity are caught. Drops are very specific throws that hit him in the hands and he drops anyway. The difference is that the stat-keepers record a drop only when the ball was a ‘catchable ball’ that the receiver simply dropped.
Six drops is one almost every game on average. And these drops negate long gains or critical third down conversions. Drops happen, WR are only human and not some well oiled machine. But one dropped pass a game for a star WR like Austin is simply too much.
by One.Cool.Customer on Nov 7, 2010 7:40 AM CST up reply actions
So...
Austin doesn’t get credit for making catches he couldn’t be reasonably expected to make, only blame for drops he should have caught?
No more unfair than grading Romo on all incompletions, even balls that were
thrown right into receivers’ hands and either dropped or tipped for INTs.
Just out of curiousity
What exactly is a catch “he couldn’t reasonably be expected to make”?
If a ball is catchable and he catches it, that seems to be a reasonable expectation.
If a ball is catchable and he drops it, that seems to be a “drop”.
If a ball is uncatchable and he catches it, that seems to be a both an unreasonable expectation and a miracle.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
And if RW had six drops at this point
he’d be scourged, eviscerated, and called bad names.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Miles Austin already has as many yards as Roy did the entire last season
I think that has something to do with it.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 7, 2010 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
+1
this has been an issue with Austin since he came to Dallas. back in the day Hurd would stay after practice to help Austin with the Juggs machine & he also worked with the strength coach to get his hands right.
Austins always had the speed but he didn’t run routes very well & had a lot of dropped passes which took him awhile to get figured out. i still think he’s a great WR to have around but he’s going to hot & cold at times. Jerry didn’t just draft Dez as a luxary or bc he had 2 probowl WRs on the roster, it was about his hands & athletic ability.
What Aikman is saying doesn't make much sense to me. Yes, a strong-minded
coach who actually, ya know, coaches, works on fundamentals with the team in pre-season and not the middle of the season, and whom everyone answers to is great, but there’s only one guy doing the hiring here. And that’s the guy who will not give up enough control to let coaches do their jobs.
Aikman is talking about organizational culture and accountability
He’s saying players don’t think about who brings in the new guys. They go to work every day, do what their boss tells them, and try to win games on Sundays. So who makes the new hiring decisisons doesn’t affect them — just as your HR department’s interviewing process doesn’t cause you one bit of concern in your job.
What matters is that there’s accountability for the players. That players are pushed to perform by coaches that hold them accountable for their mistakes. And that there’s a culture that supports that accountability. That players can’t just go to Jerry when the coach says mean things about them in a locker room.
If Jerry hires a GM but still controls who gets fined and who doesn’t and how much the fine is — nothing will change. That’s the point. Coaches need to be in charge of those things.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 7, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
I understand what he's saying, and I'm saying that, at this point, Jerry undermines the
coaches, and I don’t see him giving up control. My HR department concerns the hell out of me if it hires an ineffectual boss over me, and the CEO is constantly in my face contradicting what my supervisor is telling me.
If JJ steps back and lets the coaches do their jobs, great. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Agreed, and that's what I heard from Aikman
He’s saying that if Jerry hires a GM but still is giving rah-rah speaches in the locker room, telling Wade how much he can and can not fine a player, and coming down to the side-lines during football games: nothing will change.
So Jerry can be the GM of the team, but he needs to give the head coach room to do what a head coach does.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 7, 2010 9:07 AM CST up reply actions
No
Jerry will have a hard time changing Fernie. He is not the type to lay back there in the background. This is what plagues the team unfortunately. How can you be a coach, and not feel like you are walking on eggshells?
I disagree with what Aikman is saying. I dislike Aikman’s constant “See, I told you so” attitude toward the Cowboys. He is still bitter at the fact he had to retire I think, and is constantly looking to keep his name in the media. I think what he is talking about was from what the players were like when he was playing, and doesn’t apply to this team at all.
If you are a player now, you make much more than what they made back then when Aikman played. If the Owner was constantly around, talking to you, and he liked you, you would have a tendency to ignore what the coaches want you to do, since the Owner matters more. This is one of the ways Jerry undermines any coach of the team. We have a bunch of “Yes” men as coaches. We really have to let a strong coach do his job, and have Jerry step back. This is why there is no accountability.
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I agree about the coaches, but I don't think Aikman is totally wrong about the
personnel issues. I tend to agree that it wouldn’t matter whether the coach or the GM were running the draft and deciding what players to bring in if I thought the coach had ultimate control over the team, and maybe had substantive input into who stays and goes. But, as you say, and as I said above, JJ needs to quit undermining his own employees.
Just a note to add that I agree about Troy’s “I told you so” attitude, but I feel that way about a whole bunch of former players. Yeah, we get it; they were just better, more disciplined, yada, yada, yada. Fact is, things fell apart for all of them, too, eventually.
i think Jerry cut Aikman.
it was brushed under the table as concussions but it was deeper then that. Jerry was out of control once Jimmy left & he won the super bowl with Switzer. Jerry thought he could just replace a HoF QB or super star RB anytime he wanted but soon after they created the cap which lead to the disaster Campo stayed to help with. Jerry then through Campo under the bus & fired him, he’s been chasing that dream every since.
the problem with Jerry is you never know which one your going to get, the owner or GM.
You need the HC to force the leopard to change his sports
Jerry won’t give up his habbits, even if he wants to. That’s why he needs a strong-willed head coach to push him back, tell him where the line is and not to step over it. Jimmy Johnson, Parcelles, these guys would push back against Jerry.
That’s why I like Gruden for this job. I think Gruden’s personality and history of working with Al Davis make him perfectly suited to know how to mark his territory and keep out intruders. ;-)
This is also why I’m against the idea of a “promisssing young assistant” hire. I don’t think this team needs brains, it needs heart. It needs someone with credibility that Jerry will listen to and the balls to tell the man that pays him to get the hell out of the room.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 7, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
I love the way you put that B-E-D
But of course, you are right. I like Gruden too. If he puts Garrett in there, we will see a more high flying stat offense that will buckle under seige- as usual.
Jerry will get what he deserves.
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the only thing bad about Gruden is he rather pass then run.
unless you have Peyton Manning that formula won’t work come playoff or cold weather time.
i’m all for Jim Harbough, he has the zone blocking scheme, power running game & play action. he also has a NFL staff in place & operates out of the 3-4 on defense with a former Rex Ryan/Raven guy. he coaches the game in all 3 phases, special teams, offense & defense. he holds players accountable & they love playing for him.
he’s not just a college coach trying to break in the NFL, he was a starting QB in the NFL & runs a program that translate to the NFL a lot like the Jimmy Johnson hire. he’s going to be a NFL coach even if Dallas doesn’t get him.
If Gruden
Is how you say DC, then I don’t want that. We have to become a power team again, with the run offense strong. It seems like you’ve convinced me that this guy may be a candidate that I would support. I’m going to have to take a look at him DC…..
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Again, I understand. But how many coaches can do that in the face of their
boss? And would JJ hire someone like that? If he’s going to do it, it’ll be now. JJ is embarrassed by what’s going on, he’s clearly aware that his fanbase is furious and that he’s in our cross hairs. If we don’t see substantive changes in the coaching staff and philosophy of this team before next season (2011 or 2012), it’s not going to happen.
It will only be temporary Fernie
before Egomania infects the brain again
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Umm Aikman said they do have the formula for success.
Jimmy and Bill. and guess what, Jerry hired both of them
+1
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
By the way, the Jason Williams thing is baffling. If it's true that it's about attitude and
refusal to develop, why did the guy bother to enter the draft? It’s times like this that I wonder if these players know just how privileged they are. Of course, I say IF it’s true, because it seems to me there are a whole lot of rumors being bandied about as if they’re fact.
Not uncommon
Look at Marty B for that attitude. Even Gerald freaking Sensabaugh has An entitled attitude – he quits on plays and purposefully misses tackles as if there aren’t 20 cameras watching his every move.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 7, 2010 8:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, but Jason Williams has hardly even seen the field. I would have thought he'd
be a little eager at least to get out there before he gets entitled.
It is baffling, which leads to the sacrificial lamb conclusion.
It’s a tactic used not just in football, but in all business, which of course, the players will tell you this is…a business. He probably did have an attitude problem. I don’t believe he didn’t want to learn. As I recall before the draft Jason Williams was comparing himself favorably to the best linebackers in the draft. I believe he had a very high opinion of his ability, which meant that instead of hustling, and listening to his coaches, he couldn’t get it through his thick skull that he needed to learn and get better. He’ll be humbled by this eventually, but it may be too late for him.
I remember when we cut Stanback. I cringed when the Pats picked him up. Well, they eventually gave up on him too. Jason Williams may be out of football for good, or he may get lucky and get one more chance. If he gets another chance, he may finally get it that he’s not Lawrence Taylor.
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I respectfully disagree White Wolf
I’m not saying you are wrong, but you may be. We don’t really know.
I could see a young player like Williams possibly getting into a mode like that and giving up. It happens. Why would it happen though? Here is what I believe..
His role was wrong for the type of player he is. If you know that he was not an ILB in college, and did not play the position, to draft him to play that position is a reach and a project. Whatever happened to the thinking that you draft a player to do what he does best? That’s why, I believe, White Wolf, that he may have been miscast in his lb role. I think Jason Williams is an OLB. If it is true that they were playing him in a role he was uncomfortable with, and doesn’t utilize his skill set, then i could see a young player giving up in a situation like that. I believe they drafted him out of hope that he could switch. What a terrible draft that was, and a horrible way to draft for this team. That pick could have gone toward an Olineman you know White Wolf. And it isn’t the only horrible draft we have had recently either. I blame the player, yes, but not totally.
But this isn’t the only player evaluation issue I have with this coaching staff, as well as the grading of players by the scouting dept.
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He was resentful that he didn't go higher.
He definitely wanted to show them all that he was the best linebacker in the draft. He had the best speed, but Jason Williams couldn’t learn his assignments. We probably could have given him more time, or as you say, play him in a role he knew. All we can go on is what the team says, but it fits the profile that he thought he was that good, and when he didn’t win a job, he copped an attitude. Speculation yes, but it fits the facts of what we do know.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
All I remember is his "numbers don't lie" campaign
When he was in the draft. It seemed a little weird, but his workout measurements were pretty unreal. Too bad, our team is looking thinner by the day.
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by Lord Humungus on Nov 7, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Kick in the ass
Jason Williams will probably be ok.He is a good athlete and this may be his wakeup call.He may start trying and realize he is not one of the best.I believe Merriman will resurface in Buffalo as well.Its all about rededicating and reinventing yourself.Some will with a second chance and some just do not and never will get it.
I hate Jason Williams
I hated that draft pick then and I still do and I will carry that whole disaster with me throughout the rest of my Cowboys fanship life
im like wtf are we doing? really? trade down for this guy?
horrible
were a joke because of that draft
07 08 10 were all good drafts, we got players in those drafts but 09 is going to be the worst decision ever made for a draft strategy as a whole
if all these 12 picks were gonna suck this bad I would of gave someone 10 picks for Patrick Chung Phil Loadholt Louis Delmas Jonny Knox Mike Wallace Sebastian Volmer something, I mean we got Victor Butler and John Phillips, we hit on 2 players out of 12 picks
its disgusting
by Archie Barberio on Nov 7, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions
I agree Chia
But the issue isn’t whether Jason Williams is good for whatever linebacker position, but rather whether LB should have been drafted at all. That is what has you (and myself) angry. I don’t blame Jason Williams though. You have to point the finger at who makes these decisions.
They said about that draft that they were upset that Seattle came right in and traded for the pick right before them, and took Max Unger right off the table before they could get him. Okay, I understand that. But does that mean you stop looking at Olinemen, when you know you need to?When you know you need to develop them for the future? Whomever you want to point the finger at Chia- Garrett, Wade, Jerry, the scouting dept., you would be correct. You know why? The whole philosiphy is flawed. It’s dysfunctional. It’s “BPA” to the max, and to a fault.
I don’t say BPA isn’t good regarding certain picks at certain rounds, but to be so “BPA” that it blinds you to what parts of the team you need to upgrade, and develop backup talent, that you totally ignore it? I’m sorry, but that is why I feel Garrett is responsible. It’s his offense, and you would think he would want it to succeed, and not keep dancing the same old dance out there. He should have been stubborn about it with Jerry, to the point of Jerry accepting it should be important. Wade will always want linebackers, that won’t change. But it wasn’t important enough for Garrett obviously, and that no coach, or the owner, or the scouting department did anything about it regarding forcing Jerry’s hand is the real culprit in undermining the confidence of the team- the biggest issue with this team:
The offensive line and the running game.
Say what you want about the defense, The Oline is a bigger problem (my opinion).
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
both are a problem
but with the defense you have a group of talent leftover
Ware Spencer Rat Jenkins Newman Butler Brent Lee Akwasi Church so we have alot of talent left over for the new regime to start over with
OL the only guy that imo is even a good OL is Doug Free, I would prefer him to go back to RT because at RT I think he is Pro Bowl caliber
but everyone else can go to Denny’s with Wade, he can take his Wade Guys too
Ball Igor Sens Brooking can all join him at Denny’s
by Archie Barberio on Nov 7, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Can we drive by
and see them huddled together, and wave to them?
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
DP-Saw your thoughtful Reply to my comment on another thread
But I can’t help but think after reading that and now this – how many other OC’s are tasked with talent acquisition? I can’t think of a single one – and I’ve been following the NFL since the mid-60’s. It’s simply not in the job description.
Your further argument contending a subordinate is at fault for the decisions of his boss(in this case his boss’s boss) is patently absurd. It’s contrary to all organizational hierarchy and dynamics. Influence is not control. What you’re stating is a classic Management flaw – Responsibility without Authority.
I do agree that BPA, drafting for Value is silly when taken to an extreme. Top echelon teams may have that luxury, but the bottom 2/3 of the league does not – filling needs(short-term)has to take priority over the long-term.
While I further agree O-Line is the greater priority because the issue is so severe – at least 2 and perhaps 3 starters need replacing. With a Top 5 pick all but assured, I would focus on the Defensive backfield – because of the available talent for both positions.
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Agree on all counts TD
But the real reason why I feel Garrett is responsible, although he doesn’t do the drafting, is because he should be voicing these concerns to Jerry. I don’t think it’s happened up to now, or has been put into the proper priority, up to now. When they have drafted offensively, it’s been WR, TE, RB, not Oline. Doesn’t he watch his offense, and see what is and has been happening for years? Our QB’s are at a disadvantage compared to other QB’s in the league. Imagine, with even average play from our Oline, what the offense could be like, with either “pass to set up the run” or “run to set up the pass” philosiphy? When your Oline sucks, it really is safer to play in a “run to set up the pass” mentality. If you really wanted “pass to set up the run”, you would be looking at Olinemen.
NFC east winning football has always been built on a solid foundation of a strong Oline. You don’t need the best QB’s, RB’s, and WR’s, to win super bowls. But you do need a great Oline and Dline.
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
What if he's vocing his concerns
to Jerry already but Jerry just chooses to ignore him. Everyone gets a chance to “campaign” for their guy in the war room but Jerry makes the choice. In the end, it’s on Jerry.
by somebodyquiet on Nov 7, 2010 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
Then Jerry deserves this
and Garrett should have taken the job in Baltimore or Atlanta when he had a chance.
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They also did not draft Oline in 2nd rd, 3rd, or 4th
So that is what automatically makes someone ask “what is this offensive coordinator thinking”?
Drafting BPA to a fault will have this kind of outcome. They had no problem moving up in the draft for Dez and Sean Lee. Why not an Olineman?
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
It shouldn't be his job to acquire talent
It is his job to evaluate his offense, and make recommendations for changes to make it better. I don’t believe he has done that. Either that, or the highly-touted scouting department is really dysfunctional along with Jerry’s affection for shiny toys, which becomes a poisonous cocktail when mixed together.
In either case, you have this team not reacting to upgrade Oline for a long time. To do so now, you must give a couple of years for production. This is what coaching decisions on offense are supposed to avoid.
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by DallasPalace on Nov 7, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
My sense
There has been a collective and critically flawed overly optimistic assessment of our O Line at all levels of the organization, which serves to diminish the priority on Draft day. We got away with it for a while, filling gaps with serviceable FA’s. Then the austerity program kicked in and we stopped signing FA’s – even for positions of critical need such as OL and Safety.
In the draft room, JJ always gets first dibs – and we go the shiny toys route. Then Wade gets his turn and its a LB or 2. All of a sudden we’re in the middle of the draft and someone points we we haven’t picked an OLineman yet.Collective Fail.
The Unger story is another illustration of our inability to deal with adversity, anticipate or contingency plan. It shows as that infuriating blank look of bewilderment we see so often on the sideline
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
For example, and this was on Parcells so it's been going on for years
After we drafted Bobby Carpenter, the Jets drafted Nick Mangold. Draft fail.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
That's what I believe TD
What your’e saying makes sense- that there is a flaw in the thinking and assessment across the board at many levels in the chain of authority.
But then, isn’t the OC supposed to be the safety valve in a situation like that? That’s what I’m really saying. He should have made a big stink about going in that direction (Oline). Instead, we may be seeing alot of catering to Jerry’s “Shiny Toy” tendencies, rather than drafting smartly. That, and sticking too fervently to “BPA” has led the team to this juncture. God, I can only pray the coach isn’t another “Jerry” yes man.
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Excellent post
My question is why didn’t he try to trade up and get Max Unger since they liked him so much and like you said you mean to tell me the next best OL on your draft board was Brewster?
by cryinsilverblustars4eva on Nov 8, 2010 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
Not fair to
compare Wade to Belicheat, he is the best coach in the league and a top 5 coach ever….but it is true that this team doesnt have a leader or held accountable……I have been saying this for yrs….the first sign of trouble was not having guys compete for the job…we would sign FA and pencil them in a starting spot and either cut or trade the guy before training camp…..Why not have Flo compete for a shot on the line or have Zac thomas compete for the job instead of handing it to them…..without competition there is no insentive for a player to get better at his job, but if you have a young guy or veteran come in a push these guys they will spend more time in film room and weight room and less time in the trainers room. What happened to all of our back up LB? did there replacements beat them out of a position or did we just give it to them and send them packing. I’m fine with replacing guys but you have to upgrade dont do it because you need to save money, if your rb or wr needs more money than you think he should make then let him go, thank him for his service and move on, dont destroy you’re depth on defense. Jerry as a fan i appreciate you tryiing to keep all the skill players but you cant do it…..you have to pick the ones that cant be replaced=Ware, Romo, Witten= and move on, offer a fair contract and move on if they want to break the bank let them go get from someone else
I think Bellicheck is great
he is a great coach and also is involved with football operations so I respect him alot
he kills the draft every year and his teams are always in the hunt
have you ever heard players talk about him? they love the guy
Randy Moss who isnt exactly a role model saluted Bill Belicheat after that game
I could pray we get a real head coach like him
Wade sucks man, thats being nice too
by Archie Barberio on Nov 7, 2010 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
if that was an auditon
there might be only 2 players that makes the team next year

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