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Looking ahead to the draft

I'm always looking ahead to the draft.  Even when the team is good.  But this year with our dreams of a home Super Bowl dashed, I'm even more interested than usual in the kids coming out of college.  I was doing a projection of who we could take and where we could pick, when the following projection presented itself.

 

First off, in my mind, the crop of players who look (at this point, at least) to be Top 10 pick material are as follows:

QB Andrew Luck

QB Ryan Mallett

WR AJ Green

WR Julio Jones

WR Justin Blackmon

DE Da'Quan Bowers

DE Robert Quinn

DE Adrian Clayborn

DT Nick Fairley

DT Marcell Dareus

CB Patrick Peterson

CB Prince Amukamara


Just my opinion, but these seem to be the only guys to me worthy of a top 10 pick in the NFL draft.  So, the next task I took on was determining where I felt the NFL teams would wind up with regards to picks.  I'm not using the current records, but where I think they will finish.  Here's what I cam up with:

 

1 Carolina (they are awful, with little hope of winning another game)

2 Detroit (not a terrible team, but Stafford's out and they are still trying to find themselves)

3 Arizona (a worse team than Detroit, but will get another win or two based on their poor division)

4 Cincy (this team should be better based on their talent, but they play with no heart)

5 Buffalo (they are coming on, and will win some games down the stretch)

6 Denver (never know what to expect with these guys week to week, but its bad more often than not)

7 San Francisco (have some nice pieces in place, but no consistency)

8 Dallas (here we find our Cowboys.  I think we win a few more, keeping us out of the top 5 picks)

9 Cleveland (improving)

10 Minnesota (folding, but enough talent to beat up on some dogs)

 

So, here we are sitting at the 8th pick.  Not bad.  Not a franchise player most likely, but should be a nice pick.  Let's see how it falls:

 

1 Carolina - QB Andrew Luck (No brainer.  One of the top QB prospects in years.)

2 Detroint - DE Da'Quan Bowers (Could go with Peterson here, but he makes their DLine as feared as last year's Vikings.)

3 Arizona - QB Ryan Mallett (Probably not worth a top 3 pick, but they don't have a choice.  It's a QB league and they don't have one.)

4 Cincy - DE Marcell Dareus (He could be special, and they are in need of some help on their DLine.)

5 Buffalo - CB Patrick Peterson (They take the BPA, and one of the best prospects in the draft.)

6 Denver - DT Nick Fairley (Being compared to Suh, he's exploded this season to warrant this pick.)

7 San Francisco - CB Prince Amukamara (Excellent prospect.  Not as flashy as Peterson, but has a lower bust potential.)

8 Dallas - ....

 

Wow, worst case scenario (but most likely) in my opinion.  The guys I would want here are all gone.  The three best players might be the three WRs in Green, Jones and Blackmon.  But Dallas doesnt need a WR.  Quinn and Clayborn are options, but not ones I'm all that excited about.  I guess there is always the option of trading down, but that's not the sexy splash Jerry would be looking for either.

 

Quinn is more of an OLB, which I dont want to spend another high pick on.  Clayborn could possibly play the 3-4 DE, but will he be any better than Marcus Spears has been?  Has Spears (a top 20 overall pick) even been any better than Hatcher (a 3rd rounder) or Bowen (undrafted)?  I say no.  So that pick doesnt excite me either.

 

There's not an O Lineman worth this pick.  Same can be said for a Safety or Corner.  So .... junior Jerry's of the world ... what would you do?

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I've been convinced that Carolina will not go with Luck

They spent a 2nd rounder on Clausen, and traded up to get him, I think their FO is going to be too stubborn to admit a “mistake” by taking another QB.

I’d be SHOCKED if Mallett went that high, but anything could happen from now til then.

I question the Dareus to Cincy pick because they run a 4-3…I would think they take a guy like Clayborn over Darues.

I’d be shocked if Detroit passed on Peterson, Alphonso Smith is horrible, and I don’t think they’ll go D-line in the top 10 again.

Clayborn is too small for a 3-4 DE IMO, but he will be an absolute stud as a 4-3 DE

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

If they don't pick Luck

they’ll trade the pick. Luck’s the best QB prospect to come along in a long time.

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by Conjunction on Dec 2, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

But we would go crazy “guessing” what trades will happen, along with trying to mock the draft, I think they trade the pick.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 12:02 PM CST up reply actions  

i think they choose a DE or A.J. Green

nobody is trading to the first spot, just the bills but i guess they will end at third, cincinati on second need more a DE (carson palmer is playing really bad tough)
my fisrt 4 mock would be as follows
AJ. Green panthers
Bowers cincy
Luck bills
Peterson lions

by ratware on Dec 2, 2010 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

why would they?

even if the rookie contracts change will be expensive, then why would you trade there if you know the guy you want will be there at 2, 3 or 4 or whatever, i’d say tonly eams who want andrew luck would trade, chances are just the bills will be in the range, SF will pick la7 or 8 and carolina will ask too much, so actually i think the bills could give away the house but just they and just if they feel caorolina is taking him, and i think carolina will try jimmy clausen

by ratware on Dec 2, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You just answered you own question

i’d say tonly eams who want andrew luck would trade

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

yes but i think in the end is just reduced to the bills

you say it as if they were a lot of teams with intentions and chances to do that, just the bills man, and just if they think the pick is in danger i think andrew luck easily could be available at third, so why would you trade to the first spot?

by ratware on Dec 2, 2010 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

MtD has this as today's post, here is a quote.

“Schefter, who has a bevy of connections throughout the league, predicts Luck will go first overallin the NFL Draft to the Carolina Panthers. That could make the prospective open head coach job in Carolina an attractive one.
If the Panthers happen to not want Luck, Schefter believes “a handful of teams” would be interested in trading up to the first overall pick."

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/12/3/1853517/schefter-andrew-luck-or-bust-for-panthers

" And if the team drafting No. 1 doesn’t want Luck, believe me, there will be a handful of teams willing to part with many picks that will."

by Rena on Dec 3, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Luck (if he comes out) will go first overall

No question about it. He’s the best player in the draft at the most important position.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 3, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

You dont pass on a guy like Andrew Luck because you have a JAG like Claussen

I believe Carolina knows this. This league is run by QBs. If you have a chance to take a guy as highly touted as Luck, you take him.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 2, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

CAR is going to have a new coach and GM

so whoever takes the role will have no commitment to Clausen. Not that he deserves one, anyway.

We live life forwards and understand it backwards

by tdships on Dec 2, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

New coach won't matter

New GM, now that’s a different story.

With the FO they have in place right now, the coach has absolutely no say on who they get. It would be difficult to be the HC of this team because of that.

Their current FO loves Clausen, and that’s why I said that. Now if they get a new GM, then things could change, but that’s not the case right now.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I actually know the GM, he's a college fraternity brother

Both he and the coach have been set up to fail this year. Hell, the owner removed his own sons from the FO last year, so the whole enterprise is in a state of disarray.

Claussen has not shown he’s capable starter, but he’s not exactly surrounded by a lot of talent. Luck has to be the #1 choice here, even if you think Clausen has potential

We live life forwards and understand it backwards

by tdships on Dec 2, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

But Claussen was never an elite prospect

Luck is a top 3 QB prospect over the last 10 years. No comparison.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 2, 2010 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

So has Sam Bradford,

On a terrible team as well. Luck is head and shoulders the choice if you don’t have a GUARENTEED solid franchise QB.

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by Jeremiah_24 on Dec 2, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

+100000000

If a franchise QB is on the board, you gotta pull the trigger every time.

by somebodyquiet on Dec 4, 2010 11:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well prepare yourself to be shocked then

It’s not even a contest if Clausen is any good they could trade him for draft picks you don’t pass up a franchise QB with talent like Luck because you drafted Clausen the year before.

by cryinsilverblustars4eva on Dec 5, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I would trade down to about the 20's

this puts you in prime O-Line territory, plus gives you a high 2nd rounder in the process.
 this way we get Demarcus Love/Stefen Wisniewski/ Gabe Camrini with our first pick,(would prefer Wisniewski)

might be able to grab Marcus Cannon with the 35th that we could get from trading down, then turn around and get mike Pouncey with the 40th. If we grabs Mankins from the FA, that revamps our Oline, and still leaves our 3-7 rounders to go BPA

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by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 2, 2010 12:08 PM CST reply actions  

like your thinking....

need to rebuild the line…..also need to look at the best inside linebacker available….b. james doesn’t have much tread on his tires. or a safety…..

by Leithalweapon on Dec 2, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

ive been saying it for weeks

he is the best OL in the draft, guy is a blue chip stud
if he comes out he is the 1st OL taken and if we pick at 8 its not even reaching
reminds me of D’Brickashaw Ferguson from the Jets, same type of muscular build
thats our pick plain and simple, then we can use the rest of the draft to focus on FS DL CB OG
sign Mankins and our OL is fixed

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm, I feel like I've heard this somewhere....possibly from Wes Bunting on a chat with Raf over at Cowboys Nation.

CN: This gets us to the offensive lineman. You started talking him up this week. You wrote a piece on him. Kid from USC named Tyron Smith. Intriguing but, not a slam dunk looking at the Cowboys lineman templates. Tell us about Mr. Smith.

WB: He’s the best athlete playing the offensive line in the country right now. You look at him and you think you’re looking at a defensive end. He’s 6’5’’, 285 lbs. right now, but he plays strong because he can bend and play with leverage. He’s a long-armed kid. I’d like to see him to a better job extending those hands, better hand placement. He gets a bit upright on run plays but when you talk about balance and range off the edge, this guy is as good as it gets. He redirects well. He’s fluid in the hips. He’s 19 years old right now. He’s gonna be 20 at draft time. He came to USC as a five-star recruit at 6’5’’, 260, he’s put on 25 lbs. of good weight. He’s gonna be a really good player, but he might need a little bit of time to develop. He reminds me a little of D’Brickashaw Ferguson.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah, Cowboys Nation has been doing draft stuff for a while now

I read Wes Bunting’s stuff over at his site and he is dead on with D’Brickashaw Ferguson comparison

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

If he a Left Tackle?

I read he’s been playing the right side.

He seems like a very interesting prospect. But doesnt sound like a top 10 guy.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 2, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he is

Like Bunting said, he would need time to develop, and you don’t draft Lineman in the Top 10 that need time to develop

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He said a little time to develop.

He also said

" He’s one of the few blue-chip prospects in the draft. I thought he was that good. He’s the best player at that spot and I’ve put on more and more tape and he’s done it in every game I’ve watched.

CN: So you’re putting this guy in your top dozen players overall

WB: Definitely. Maybe he makes it into the top five. He was really impressive
 He’s unreal. The guy is a dancing bear.

When you say he’s one of the few blue-chippers, in your grading system, where does he fit?

These are guys who I think have the ability to be Pro Bowl players at the next level. Guys who can help you out early, and who we expect to be Pro Bowl caliber players."

WB is calling this kid a blue chip. in his opinion there are only 6-7 of those in the draft this comming year total. He also says he can come in and help out early. That doesnt sound like a development project.

by Rena on Dec 2, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah exactly

I mean what more do you want? and Wes Bunting is on point with this stuff too, just like he was last year
I guess it takes a Mel Kiper or Todd McShay to get on Smith’s balls before fans jump on board

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, I guess we all have to agree with Wes Bunting....and you

Or we’re all considered idiotic, basically that’s what you’re saying.

It’s so rare that days after Bunting said that about Smith you jumped on his balls, and then used the Ferguson comparison as your own. Tell me, what makes you compare him so closely to Ferguson?? Or is it just because Bunting did??

I’m saying, that I would take a more polished lineman in the Top 10, if I would take one at all.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, that's just idiotic...

it would be like taking Phillip Loadholt over Robert Brewster.

Oh…wait a minute.

Awwwww man.

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by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions  

he's been saying that sinnce whatt? last week?

just three weeks ago he was saying there was no top 20 talent at the position this year, for a guy who evaluate prospects for a living seems too late to start to talk that high about the guy, sure he will receive some money if he goes top ten, like mel kiper haha

by ratware on Dec 2, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

“CN: He’s been late to the discussion because he was an underclassman, and nobody knew if he was coming out?

WB: The reason I haven’t talked about him was that I had not seen him. Some people said he was going to come out, but I don’t like to work on juniors until they declare. But if you get a guy who could be a blue-chip player, you study. I mean, I know A.J. Green and Julio Jones are blue chippers, even though I haven’t written them up yet, so I thought, ’’I’ve got to do some homework on this guy.‘’ So I put on some tape of him earlier in the year and I was blown away. He’s the best player at that spot and I’ve put on more and more tape and he’s done it in every game I’ve watched."

by Rena on Dec 2, 2010 9:13 PM CST up reply actions  

i meant i don't believe him

he’s going to get some paychecks for those comments haha

by ratware on Dec 3, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

He has played left and right both.

He is currently playing right as they already had a LT set and didn’t want to have to move both guys.

by Rena on Dec 2, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

he can play either

LT or RT
he is worlds above Charles Brown, a guy many fans wanted us to draft
Wes compares him to D’Brickashaw from the Jets, thats enough for me
they said the same thing about him coming out of school too
“he needs to develop he needs to add to his frame”
guy started basicaly since his rookie year for the Jets and is a major piece of the OL there
its time to stop about developing OL, wake the f*** up, the reason we HAVE NO OL is because we dont draft them high
if we pass on Tyron Smith for Dareus it will be the worst decsion they could ever make
you can get DE’s all draft all free agency long, not franchise OL

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

He's 285 Lb's

Name the last Lineman Jerry has drafted that has been under 300Lbs….this guy reminds me more of Alex Barron coming out than Ferguson. D’Brick was a Top 5 pick his whole senior year, all the sudden Smith is getting a bunch of hype from ONE GUY that scouts these draft picks. If Bunting is so damn smart and we should take everything he says to the bank, then why the hell isn’t he working for an NFL team??

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually MtD did a feature on Smith also.

They are saying 1st round, if he goes back to school for his senior year for some more polishing and moves to LT then top 10 next year.

by Rena on Dec 2, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW

The Cowboys have never drafted a OT in the first round in the history of the franchise

by TCBinNYC on Dec 3, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Correction

Jerry has never drafted an O-lineman in the first round. The organization before Jerry selected a few first round O-lineman.

I don’t think that’s a big deal, if someone falls and he’s on the board they would take him, but they would never reach for one.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 3, 2010 9:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Why not?

They have reached for other positions.

What makes O-line so special?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Cause they've NEVER drafted one in the 1st round

So i have to assume that if they do draft one, it will not be reaching

by KJDH2154 on Dec 4, 2010 3:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Quincy Carter

. . . and remember when Jerry drafted Tellus Bennett that the warroom had to chain Jerry hands to the chair to keep from trading huge value to move up to the middle of round two to grab this sure fire Antonio Gates clone that every other team in the league was clamoring for . . .

by Iowacowboy on Dec 4, 2010 6:50 AM CST up reply actions  

No correction needed

My statement is correct. The Dallas Cowboys have never drafted an Offensive Tackle in the first round in the history of their franchise.

I didnt say Offensive Linemen. I said Tackles. I think they drafted 2 Guards and a Center or 3 Guards prior to Jerry.

Still, you have to admit that’s wild. I’ll bet no other team in the NFL has never drafted a Tackle in the first.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 6, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I like to idea of trading down also. It would give us a first round pick in the 20’s where we could take probably one of the top olineman available plus it would give us at least another first round pick in 2012.

by jack dein on Dec 2, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If only it were that easy

Man, that does sound like a great scenario. However, we still need some damn safety help. I feel like our corners would be just fine next year if they had good safety help

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by markdamack on Dec 2, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Easier said than done

There needs to be a player there someone wants. Although in this scenario, someone will want one of those WRs. All three could be special.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 2, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Tell me again when our trading down out of a high pick has worked since Jimmy left?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Julius Jones

. . . oh wait, well . . . there is the argument that without two picks in round one, we might not have ended up with Ware . . . but I get your point and certainly agree with you.

by Iowacowboy on Dec 2, 2010 6:37 PM CST up reply actions  

explain something to me …

Chicago has a much worse OL than Dallas.

Chicago is 8-3.

Dallas is 3-8.

What does that suggest?

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 2, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Why are they worse?

They’ve certainly invested more, in terms of draft picks, in their line than Dallas.

They’ve completely reshuffled that deck (chris Williams playing OG?) and the new formula is working like a charm.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Stats lie every single day

Statistically, Steve Young was a much better QB than Troy Aikman. Do you buy that?

Are you saying every stat you see is the singular measure of what is true and correct about football?

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

The Bears have allowed 41 sacks to the Cowboys 19…..twist that stat for me, when it comes to Offensive lines in the NFL, stats are very eye opening.

Are you saying every stat you see is the singular measure of what is true and correct about football?

That’s exactly what I said, didn’t you see it???? I said that exact phrase and meant that exact thing, that stats are the only way to judge anything in sports…..GOSH I love how some people find it necessary to put words in others mouths.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

its called the Martz System

Mike Martz System involves a lot of deep passes and 5-7 step drops. the down side to this is that the QB takes alot of sacks. Dallas has prevented having alot of sacks by A. running quick-3 step drop passes, and B. Max protect

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by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 3, 2010 2:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I beg to differ on that argument

1999 Kurt Warner – 29 Sacks (12th most in the league)
2000 Kurt Warner – 20 Sacks (26th most in the league)
2001 Kurt Warner – 38 Sacks (T 9th most in the league)
2002 Warner/Bulger – 33 Sacks (T 10th most in the league)
2003 Marc Bulger – 37 sacks (5th most in the league)
2004 Marc Bulger – 41 Sacks (4th most in the league)
2005 Marc Bulger – 26 Sacks (14th most in the league)

It’s easy to blame Martz offense, but with the Rams you’ll notice that only one time the QB was sacked 41 times (current number of sacks Cutler has taken). If you watch the Bears play, which I’m forced to do living in Iowa, then you’ll know just how bad their offensive line it, no reason to make excuses for them.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 3, 2010 9:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I beg to differ on your numbers

IdtC spoke specifically about the Martz System, not about the individual quarterbacks whose stats you quote. With the exception of 1999, every single year since in the Martz system has resulted in 40+sacks over 16 regular season games:

Year…INT..SACK
2000…23…44
2001…22…40
2002…27…46
2003…23…43
2004…22…50
2005…24…46
2006…22…63
2007…22…54
2008…19…55

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 3, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Where did you get those INT and Sack #'s

Just curious, cause I can’t find anything close to that.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 3, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Profootballreference.com, check the table called ‘passing offense’

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 4, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

OCC,

What’s your view on the initial question.

Chicago’s OL vs. Dallas’s OL?

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 3, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Chicagos O-line is truly bad

the Martz system is only one part of the issue. Also, I’m seeing some strange numbers on profootballfocus that suggest the Dallas O-line is much better than all of us think (I’ll have to look at that in more detail though).

So how do we explain that we’re 3-8 and they’re 8-3? Easy. Defense. More specifically, atrocious pass defense, additionally confounded by the regression of our pass rush.

The result: Dallas has almost twice as many points allowed as the Bears.

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 4, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Ouch

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

You’re like the little kid in the school yard that stands behind the building waiting for the bigger man to step up and make a case, and then when he does, you jump out and act like you’re part of it….it’s sad really.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 4, 2010 4:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha ha ha. You're mistaking 5Blings for someone else.

He has never required anybody’s assistance in any argument.

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 4, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You must be new here...

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 4, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

And yet, everybody loves them some Mike Martz

Well, with the exception of the QB’s health insurance companies.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions  

+1 superbowl

Lets not forget that part

by KJDH2154 on Dec 4, 2010 3:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Barry Switzer has one too

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 4, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That was awfully schizophrenic of you

I’m not sure which personality you would like me to respond to.

As a result, I’ll leave you to your statistics.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

You must be a ton of fun at parties

Do you go around explaining the consumption ratio as it relates to resulting blood alcohol content?

Look, I’m sure your usefulness is much greater at the Atlanta Braves blog site. Aren’t you late for winter meeting discussions? I hear that they need help redefining a batter’s OBP.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 4, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, and like I said, stats don't lie

If it says a guy threw for 280 yds and 3 TD’s….then I’m pretty sure that he threw for 280 yds and 3 TD’s…so If you take what I said originally at face value, then I’m correct, stats indeed, do not lie. And that’s exactly what I was saying.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 4, 2010 4:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Stats lie, they do

Or do you want to compare Felix Jones and the current OLine to Emmitt Smith and the 1994 OLine?

Felix is averaging 4.0 yards per carry, Smith had the same average, but to me, Smith’s average is much more impressive, because you could count those 4 yards in pretty much most of his carries. With Jones, no, he has that average due to his few big plays.

Another example of stats that lie are KC Joyner’s numbers for CBs, they don’t take into account the kind of receivers that they’re facing.

And there are much more examples.

I’ll take my eyes before I trust blindly in stats.

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by Chandus on Dec 4, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Sanity will win out over the video game generation which lacks the proper appreciation for the game’s world beyond the box score.

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by 5Blings on Dec 4, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe the saying is...

“There are three kinds of lies…Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.”

Statistics are powerful…and dangerous in the wrong hands. Interpreted incorrectly, they can send you off in the completely wrong direction and unless you use your own senses and experiences, you’ll likely not even know it. Taken out of context, they are useless. Throw in unpredictable humans and a highly complex game of strategy and elite physical performance into the mix and it’s a recipe for disaster.

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by lonewolfz28 on Dec 4, 2010 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by 5Blings on Dec 5, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Why are they worse?

consensus is they’ve had the worst line in the NFL. Lots of injuries this year. If you doubt that watch some chicago games. their RT plays just like Alex Barron.

here’s another way to look at it.

it looks at how many positive plays the opposing front 7 defensive players have achieved.

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/teamOL.php

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 3, 2010 7:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

I don’t understand why people are trying to defend the Bears line…..it’s horrible, worse than the Cowboys.

Some of these Cowboys fans just need to ask a few Bears fans what they think of their O-line.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 3, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Some cowboys fans need to watch more football so they can put their stats into the proper context

…and asking another team’s fans about “what they think of their O-line” is highly incongruous with your statement about the statistics, which was disproven above.

Overall, you are unconvincing at best, riled up and nasty at worst.

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by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me ask you, how impressed are you this year of the Chicago Bears O-line??

And follow up question, how many Bears games have you watched this year??

by KJDH2154 on Dec 4, 2010 3:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Lately, I'm quite impressed with them

They’ve moved players around and the running game has benefitted and the pass blocking has improved.

I’ve watched 4 of their games (courtesy of NFL Sunday Ticket, DVR and NFL Replay on NFL Network).

Besides, based on everything you’ve said, I shouldn’t have to watch any of them to draw any conclusions. I should be able to look at the stats and draw absolutes from the data, right?

Or are you cutting back against the grain now?

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by 5Blings on Dec 4, 2010 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not a true measure of an O-line's effectiveness

I keep asking you to widen your lens and see a larger game.

An O-line’s performance has so much to do with health, the QB and skill players areound them, the play calling philosophy (which is influenced by how the team feels about it’s own defense’s ability to stifle the opponent…which I think you’ve agreed to in some measure) and so much more.

Eyeballs over stats any day, my friend.

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by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

OL needs to be addressed i agree

Jerry can fill two spots from FA and no i’m not talking Mankins because he’s going to have a lot of suitors and want a lot of money. I think everyone who is in love with this Marcus Cannon guy need to rethink this pick. It seems this is the type of player the Cowboys always draft for their OL and so far with the exception of Free it hasn’t worked out. This guy is already 350lbs that’s too much he may be good but i wonder if he has weight problems too. They need to reevaluate their criteria of what they want in a OL. Need to get more younger mobile,agile and definitely OL that can pull and run sweeps something most on our line right now can’t do effectively.

by cryinsilverblustars4eva on Dec 5, 2010 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I have a hypothetical question for you guys..

I guess..more of a what would you do..

Say we are sitting there, and we do pick number 8

It’s our pick, and nobody we really want is there.

If Mallett is still on the board (since Luck will be long gone) , would you take him and groom him like the Packers did with Rodgers, or do you do anything possible to trade out of that pick?

What if no one wants the pick? Do you reach for a player you want, or would you go with Mallett.

If you ask me, I’m a huge Mallett fan, I think he has all the intangibles, has great size and a huge arm. I don’t know what I would do in that situation though? I feel like if they took Mallett people would bury Jerry in a heartbeat, claiming an insane Arkansas favoritism

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by markdamack on Dec 2, 2010 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't do it

The only QB I would take in the 1st if I were the Cowboys is Luck….otherwise you’re risking too much and ignoring the needs. Plus, like you said, Jerry would be buried if he did something like that, especially with the holes this team has.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree. So say you can't trade out

Do you just take an insane reach on a player?

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by markdamack on Dec 2, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

lol, that sounds cynical.

It’s not, lol just wondering what you would do in that situation

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by markdamack on Dec 2, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

BPA

Picking in the Top 10 is great because you’re almost guaranteed a blue chip player, and those are the players that help you win in this league. Granted there are some busts, but the reward is much higher than the risk in the Top 10, especially since there will be a rookie wage scale with the new CBA, so I stay right where I’m at and take the best player available, regardless of need. You can fill a need in the later rounds, especially since there are a lot of late 1st early 2nd O-line prospects. That’s just my opinion

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:05 PM CST up reply actions  

So you want to pick another WR?

AJ Green would be the BPA at this point. So, we would have Dez, Miles, maybe Roy … and now Green? Sounds great, but not a need. We’d be better served taking another position or trading out of that spot.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 2, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well there are exceptions

Obviously the Cowboys aren’t going to take another WR. You have to be realistic at the same time. A lot of teams take the BPA according to their board, and that’s what I meant, Dallas is not going to put a WR that high on their board, so he won’t be THEIR BPA.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

i think Jerry

will have to consider taking Mallett, but only if Mallet grades out as a franchise qb for the future.

by cmttx on Dec 2, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I keep hearing the GB comparison...

but I still think those are different issues. Green Bay was in a situation with a 37/38 year old QB and it was the 24th pick overall where there wasn’t any pick that was close in value.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 3, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Was he 37 when Rodgers got picked?

I think not.

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by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh I'm sorry...

He would have turned 36 in October… wow are we splitting hairs a little bit?

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by Iron Fist on Dec 3, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

So we should consider Romo a 31-year old when the draft occurs, yes?

Statistically, I wonder when a QB plays his best football.

OCC?

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by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps.

Favre had a little bit more mileage on him though too.

The idea is not horrible, and I’m not so sure we’re disagreeing. I just think that situations are pretty different.

Also it was between Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers who was going to go #1… this is not going to be the case here. I don’t think that Mallett or Locker have made a case to be the #1 pick overall.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 3, 2010 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed. The situations aren't comparable.

I don’t hear anyone advocating for the Colts to draft the next QB behind Manning.

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by Creasy729 on Dec 3, 2010 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

They are starting to talk about it at least.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/tag/_/name/curtis-painter

FYI I am not saying draft a QB in the 1st round. We have way to many other major needs and we are working on McGee.
I just think if McGee shows solid potential we can trade him off to a QB starved team if not this year then next. Then draft a new lower round QB to start grooming for a few years. Or Kitna might retire after next year, then we would draft another young guy in the mid/lower rounds to start to develop with McGee as the backup.

by Rena on Dec 4, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember somebody doing a piece on that

I think it was on profootballreference, but I can’t find the link. They looked at when the average performance started to drop off by position: RB’s at 28, QBs at 31, OL at 32 (I think).

I’m sure everybody has an endless number of examples of players who payed very well far beyond that age, but the data looked solid, but the numbers are averages. On Romo specifically, keep in mind that his first start in the NFL came at age 26. Other QBs started in the NFL at 22, so Romo has four years less wear and tear on his body than some other QB’s (plus he just missed most of this season with a relatively benign bone injury), so I’d give him at the very least three more years of play at his current very high level.

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 4, 2010 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, there you go, and based on that...

Romo, who will be 31 next year, may NOT have a bunch of prime-performance years in front of him like some are saying.

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by 5Blings on Dec 4, 2010 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

But he also may.

The future is fickle like that and I don’t think anyone can guarantee anything one way or another. As such, I think you plan with what you do know, and right now I think everyone can agree that Romo has had no nagging injuries, has maintained his athleticism and arm ability, and really has shown no reason to believe he is in any sort of physical decline. As such, I think his age is overblown. If he was slowing down, having a reoccuring injury, or missing the same zip on his throws than maybe I (and others) would be more willing to discuss if we need a replacement ASAP as compared to other needs on this team.

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by Creasy729 on Dec 5, 2010 5:18 AM CST up reply actions  

So you're using your own experiences to overrule the statistics that say otherwise?

Interesting, C729.

Very, very interesting.

:-)

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by 5Blings on Dec 5, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha well played.

I still believe statistics can be quite instrumental in decoding what goes on in the NFL, but yes, even I would argue that statistics can’t quantify everything.

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by Creasy729 on Dec 5, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Close, but no cigar

The article I meant is by PFR’s Doug Drinen and can be found here.

Football outsiders reference it, and that’s where I stumbled over it. Turns out I quoted the wrong numbers for the positions:

Running backs usually decline after age 28, tight ends after age 29, wide receivers after age 30, and quarterbacks after age 32.

This research was originally done by Doug Drinen (editor of Pro-Football-Reference.com). In recent years, a few players have had huge seasons above these general age limits (most notably Tiki Barber, Tony Gonzalez, and Terrell Owens), but the peak ages Drinen found a few years ago still apply to the majority of players.

During the summer of 2007, ESPN The Magazine asked us to research when players decline at “non-skill” positions. This research was not as rigorous as our usual work, and needs a little more attention before we’re ready to stand by it. For the curious, however, the preliminary results said that defensive ends and defensive backs generally begin to decline after age 29, linebackers and offensive linemen after age 30, and defensive tackles after age 31.

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 5, 2010 2:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if the QB number goes up with some of the latest rule changes?

Either way, if you live and die by the stat (which you already know I do not), the data says we need to take a blue-chip QB in THIS draft if we want to have him ready when Romo’s ability tails off.

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by 5Blings on Dec 5, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I recall reading the same article.

Most QBs, if they have no injuries and are not getting the crap beat out of them, play well into their mid-thirties. Keeping in mind that with a QB like Romo a small drop off in performance is still going to leave you with a pretty good player. Unlike say McNabb, Romo is an accurate passer (career high 69% this season) and that shouldn’t change too much with age.

by audiris on Dec 6, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

+1!!!

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by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I see at least one of Dareus and Fairley being on the board when we pick

There’s no O-line worthy of a top 10 pick in the draft, so assuming we don’t trade down it’ll probably be on of them. OL doesn’t need to be totally overhauled in one off-season (nor could it really), but we can fix

by Jake Sunlin on Dec 2, 2010 2:03 PM CST reply actions  

Crap, got cut off.

We can fix at least part of it via FA, and I think our corners will be much better with some decent safety help, which again with out pick will be a better value in later rounds.

by Jake Sunlin on Dec 2, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

easy

the best OL in college football Tyron Smith, the next D’Brickashaw Ferguson
thats our pick, simple
unless either Fairley Peterson Amukanamora are on the board
its down to those 4 guys
Tyron Smith should be our pick if they are all gone, its not even reaching

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

I don't like Smith as much as you do

…in fact, most scouting services like Costanzo more at this moment.

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by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

I’m not high on Smith, especially when Dallas needs someone to be able to step in right away, which I don’t think he could do. I think Costanzo and Sherrod will go higher than Smith, and possibly even Solder. Hell I’d probably take Carimi over Smith right now

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

thats your opinion

I think Costanzo is not better than Carimi Sherrod Smith or even Marcus Cannon
Tyron Smith gets D’Brickashaw Ferguson comparison, then thats the guy I want

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

not from what Ive seen recently

I think Sherrod and Carimi outside of Smith are the best OT in the draft, but I like Smith
guarantee when he declares does the underwear olympics he flys up the board

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

When I read that "he might need time to develop"

Which a lot of people are saying about him, I don’t like hearing that. He’ll have to have a really good combine to shoot up the draft boards to Top 10, because from what I’ve seen, right now, it would be considered a major reach. That may change by April, but I don’t like him in the Top 10 right now. IMO

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortuntally USC can't be in a bowl, so the only thing to go on now is the combine.

I hope he declares.
Even if we don’t take a OL in the first round, the more good guys that come into the draft the more that will still be on the board when we pick again. I would be happy to take one of the top DE or CB’s and get a solid OL in the 2nd and/or 3rd round.

by Rena on Dec 2, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

For o-linemen, the Combine is the least influential item in their portfolio of work

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by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Rahim Moore

Take him at #8 or wherever we are and look for o-line in rounds 2 AND 3!

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by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 2:21 PM CST reply actions  

Seems like a hugh reach for him

Depending how the draft unfolds, I think Moore is a 15-25 guy, he’s also been getting beat deep quite a bit this year, I’d have a tough time taking him over DeAndre McDaniel and Deunta Williams

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

it is a huge reach

12-20 I would say is a good range if he is that good, idk Eric Berry was a really good prospect and I dont think he is better than Berry

I would rather get Duenta or DeAndre in the 2nd or 3rd and take a DL or OL in the 1st

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Moore a lot

However, taking him in the top 10 is a HUGE reach. I would be surprised if he goes before about 18 or 20.

If he’s your guy, you trade back and pick up more value and still get your guy later.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 2, 2010 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

The problem with that is losing out on him

I don’t think we’ll end up at #8 anyway, so the point is moot. We’ll end up at 11-13.

Hasn’t this team gone long enough without a reliable center fielder with ball skills?

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by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 7:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but there are not any Safeties worth a #8-13 pick

But I was wondering if any of our current CBs could be adequate center fielders. For instance, if we were to pick up Peterson (not going to happen) or Prince in the draft, could Scandrick make a decent FS? He couldnt be any worse than Ball and he’s about the same size. And we would still have Jenkins, Prince and Newman as our top three CBs.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 3, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

No, stay away from CB's...

this team has to focus on the lines unless they invest in Rahim Moore or one of the 3 star QB’s.

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by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

In today's Sporting News

Russ Lande mentions the possibility of turning Nebraska’s Prince Amukamara (6-1, 205) into a safety, much like the SAints did with Malcom Jenkins.

by audiris on Dec 6, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm

Aren’t you a UCLA alum?

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by Iron Fist on Dec 3, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

You HAD to go there, didn't you?

Guilty.

But in my defense, Dallas has done well with Bruins in the draft!!!

:-)

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by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

what Im hoping for is

AJ Green Julio Jones and Cam Newton fly up the board, along with some other positions we dont need
the guy I dont want that high is Dareus, really dont want a 3-4 DE that high
Fairley Peterson Amukanamora Tyron Smith are the guys I want, picking at 8 I hope one of them is available to us, if not trading down if we can might be the best idea and then taking Sherrod Carimi or Solder
really wish we had a extra 2nd rd pick this draft, same as last year

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

Fairley is going to be a 3-4 DE too

So I don’t know why you would take him over Dareus?? Especially since Dareus has experience in the 3-4 at ’Bama, and Fairley has never played the position.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

because Fairley is a beast

the guy is disruptive and a monster
Dareus just isnt as explosive or disruptive, Dareus would be a Marcus Spears type of selection

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you serious?!?!?!?

Have you watched Dareus play??? He is one of the most explosive 300lb guys I’ve seen in a long time. Dareus has done it at a much higher level for longer than Fairley has. Fairley has burst on the scene this year, before this he was playing JUCO ball.

I have to assume you’re saying this based on something you read, Dareus is a much safer pick than Fairley. Explosive and disruptive is exactly what Dareus is, he also has some of the best footwork I’ve seen from a guy his size, he is not a Marcus Spears type

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Ive watched both and I think Fairley is way more impressive as far as potential and NFL goes

Dareus is good player, he will go to the combine run a 4.4 have a amzing workout and be a top 10 pick
I just like Fairley more, I think he is going to bring you more of a disruptive pass rusher with more upside like Jay Ratliff
I would want Fairley, jmo, alot of teams are going to have to make this decision
but from what im hearing is Fairley is getting compared to Suh being he is big and can play a variety of techniques on a NFL DL
im not saying Dareus sucks, I think he is a great player, but for me I want Fairley if we want a guy who is going to be a disruptive player

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Chia,

Just FYI, it would be completely unprecedented for a 300lb person to run a 4.4 forty.

from ESPN

We need to adjust 40 times for weight: Raw 40-yard dash times have a minus .36 correlation with DPAR, carries and yards; remember, a negative relationship here would indicate that 40 times (which are better as they decrease) are strongly correlated with those rushing metrics (which are better as they increase)… The thing is, not all 40 times are created equal. Brandon Jacobs’ 4.56 40 is incredible when you consider his 267-pound frame.

as far as I’m aware, Bradon Jacobs time is the record for weight adjusted 40, at 4.56. So for Dareus to run a 4.4 at 300 lbs would be smashing all the previous records.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 2, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Saying that he'll run a 4.4 40 time at 300lbs just lost you all credibility

His report even says he’s going to be more around 4.8….but that’s very impressive for a 300LB d-lineman

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly. knowing the context helps.

it would be truly extraordinary if he did. I’m not saying he can’t … i’d want to see extraordinary proof before I believed that though.

and if he does … it’s incredibly freakish … once in 20 years type athlete

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 2, 2010 6:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll say it...

he can’t.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 3, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope he does run that fast ...

and then someone takes him in the top 6 so that Prince or Fairley can drop to Dallas.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 3, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

really

I like Dareus if everyone else is gone
KJ do you know if he is a captain? we need to start drafting captains by the way for leadership
look I dont hate Dareus I dont want you to think that, I think he is a great player
imo I just like Fairley better

Wes Bunting was the guy that said he could run a 4.4 4.5 40 not me for the record, but his footwork is amazing like you said

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

this from that article makes me really love Dareus like you do I gotta admit

 his freakish athletic ability. Dareus is 6’4", 300 lbs and runs a 4.5 second 40 yard dash. Pass rushing has become crucial in the NFL as we’ve seen some great talent at the quarterback position emerge.

It also helps that many teams happen to be looking for an effective pass rusher.

Right now, if the draft order were to be decided according to teams’ current records, I’d see Dareus going as early as the Dallas Cowboys (2nd pick) or as late as the Denver Broncos (6th).

Honestly, I think the Cowboys are going to pursue a quality secondary prospect. LSU CB Patrick Patterson would be the logical pick. Dallas’ past three opponents have combined for 855 passing yards. Let’s face it Mike Jenkins and Terence Newman are not getting it done in the secondary. Jerry Jones will address their necessities, and a quality defensive back is a necessity.

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Peterson is the best player in this draft IMO

But if we’re looking secondary, Amukamara would not be a bad consolation prize if Dallas can’t get Peterson.

But finally, something we can agree on, Peterson is my #1 choice and it isn’t even close

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree lol

if Peterson is there thats our pick if he is gone Amukanamora is our pick if they are gone Fairley or Dareus if they are gone Tyron Smith
there we go

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree with everything but Smith

IMO There are no Top 10 lineman at this point, that could change come April, but Tyron Smith is still not my #1 lineman

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree - Peterson is the best option for Dallas

But I just think he will go in the top 5 picks, so we would have to trade up for him. I’m actually not opposed to that if the price is right. We need a playmaker back there and Peterson (although maybe with a higher bust potential than Pince) is the best playmaker.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 3, 2010 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Fairley will be fined more than James Harrison

He loves playing to, and a little after, the whistle. He’s a cheap shot artist thus far in his college career, should have been suspended for the Iron Bowl. He just worries me.

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions  

I want Rodney Hudson with the 2nd or 3rd rd pick

G from FSU, whom I think is severely underrated

by Jobu. on Dec 2, 2010 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

Very good player

But undersized, I don’t know if he would be a Jerry Jones type O-lineman, at 6’2" 284lbs I don’t think Dallas would select him. Jerry likes big lineman, like 320lb +

by KJDH2154 on Dec 2, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

why does this franchise hate Tashard Choice?

I almost wanted to do a fanshot on it but dont feel like taking the time to do so
but anyone hear Jerry’s comments on how he needs to do better in ST’s and calls the guy out for getting plowed over by a DL 60 pounds bigger than him? then comes in the game for 1 play and scores a TD?
Tashard Choice is seriously being put under the bus by Jerry Jones for all the wrong reasons, be glad this kid is under contract for one more year, if he doesnt get a shot at starting with Felix and cutting Barber allowing for our 2 best young RB’s to play idk im seriously going to doubt if this franchise can ever be anything ever again
Marion Barber sucks, he is washed up
dont run a pitch to him dont run anything to him, he sucks
he is slow and falls on his face
how many times have you seen him fall before even getting the handoff?
its disgusting when a quality player like Tashard Choice sits on the sideline while this bum Marion Barber who is this “great short yardage back” but is awful in the redzone
idk if he is even that good at short yardage, he is overated in that aspect too
he gets first downs yes but idk he is not that good
Marion Barber should be released next year, if Tashard Choice doesnt become the #2 or #1 RB with Felix then idk I have nothing to say
Love how Tashard is dealing with the situation as well, a reporter asked him about Jerry’s comments the other day and said its best if I dont say anything
kid kept his mouth shut
I love how Jerry didnt call out Mike Jenkins or Anthony Spencer this year but has the nerve to call out Choice over getting blown up by a man 60 pounds bigger than him and then comes into the game when your boy Barber did f’n nothing and gets a TD on one carry
this is a f’n joke

by Archie Barberio on Dec 2, 2010 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

if you watched the replay on that

the only reason Choice got in was because Gurode got and awesome push….otherwise no TD…

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by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 2, 2010 5:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Gurode can't suddenly become a Magna Cum Laude graduate

Our O-line has deficiencies and he is one of them.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

take Cam Newton

by cmttx on Dec 2, 2010 5:33 PM CST reply actions  

No mention of Cameron Jordan?

We’re talking about what already is a 3-4 End and one of the most disruptive DLineman in College…

If this scenario comes to happen, that would be my call.

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by Chandus on Dec 2, 2010 6:35 PM CST reply actions  

My wish list:

1 Luck
2 Peterson
3 Amukamara
4 Dareus
5 Jordan
6 Fairley

I think someone from this list will drop to us near 8 or 9. Hopefully teams take Green, Mallett (Arizona), and Blackman before us.

by starmesh23 on Dec 2, 2010 7:03 PM CST reply actions  

Rec'd

I love Draft posts!!!!

:-)

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by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 7:20 PM CST reply actions  

Draft Posts Are Great

especially when the home team sucks . . . or in the Patriots case – when the home team GM had traded for future picks and a great young team is sitting on premium picks out the wazoo

by Iowacowboy on Dec 4, 2010 6:57 AM CST up reply actions  

off. line first

 The combine could change my mind, but this early I go with Smith with our first pick ( he is only 20 ). Cannon with our second. I want to give AOA a real shot at being our free saftey next year and church the strong saftey.

by cbow59 on Dec 2, 2010 8:25 PM CST reply actions  

explain something to me …

Chicago has a much worse OL than Dallas.

Chicago is 8-3.

Dallas is 3-8.

what does that suggest to you?

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 2, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Again? :-)

It suggests that drafting O-linemen early and often (Williams and Webb) and signing good FA’s (Olin Kreutz) is bound to pay off at some point.

All the teams who consistently compete for a title have invested more than Dallas in their o-line. If the draft is indeed a crapshoot, better to keep throwing the dice as long as you can.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 2, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Chicago Defense plays HARD...

they fly to the ball, gang-tackle, strips; they play like a team that wants to go to the postseason.

by LiLGiT on Dec 3, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Chicago Defense plays HARD…

Bingo,

Chicago’s defense is better … that’s what most people would say is the big difference. Everyone should consider the implications of that.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 3, 2010 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

FYI

Kreutz was drafted by, and has always been, a Bear

by KJDH2154 on Dec 3, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

My bad

…but furthers my original point.

Draft good linemen early and often and you will eventually get to a point where even an average QB looks like an all-pro behind them.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

The Bears have one of the worst O-lines in the league, and I’d like you to show me something that proves me otherwise

by KJDH2154 on Dec 4, 2010 4:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Bears Have

. . . run the ball fairly consistently the last four games; not the mark of a bad or terrible oline . . . how has Dallas run game been for the most part?

by Iowacowboy on Dec 4, 2010 6:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it suggests something other than

drafting O-linemen early and often (Williams and Webb) and signing good FA’s (Olin Kreutz) is bound to pay off at some point

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 3, 2010 7:11 AM CST up reply actions  

OK FiTaT....

tell us what it suggests then.

"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain

"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 3, 2010 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

it suggests that Dallas could be 8-3 if they had a better defense.

which should give you pause about allocating more resources to the offense without fixing the defense first.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 3, 2010 9:09 AM CST up reply actions  

It is going to come down to where we pick and who takes what ahead of us.

Like I said above I would be perfectly happy with a top DE in the 1st round, or if the best couple are gone and one of the top CB’s is still on the board, take him. I can see multi QB’s going top 10 as there are some solid ones and so many teams need them badly.
The OL quality atm is very close it seems and there are quite a few of them so some will still be there when we pick in the 2nd and 3rd. But I would like to see both 2nd and 3rd round used on the OL as we know it has several major holes. DLine we have solid players in most of the spots, OL we have Free.
4th round, hit up secondary or LB, depends on who is left, same with the 5th.

by Rena on Dec 3, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

DLine we have solid players in most of the spots

this is where we disagree. Dallas has Ratliff. I think everyone else is a liability in pass defense which is the key factor.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 3, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I consider him an OLB … not DL

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 3, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I will agree most of the DE's, DT's on the roster seem like JAGS.

Spencer is good at stuffing the run but needs to get more pressure. The others have had a good play here or there but haven’t impressed me much otherwise.
Basically I consider Spencer better than Davis on the OL and Brent better than 1/2 of the rest of the starting OL.

by Rena on Dec 3, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Blond moment.

Ment that Brent has looked solid when I have seen him in and Lissyy has to be included or we will both get in trouble on this discussion.

by Rena on Dec 3, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

They could be 8-3 if they could run the ball

…but I know that is like kryptonite to you.

I’ll keep it at safe distance.

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I think alot of it was effectively running too.

Washington was the only game where I though Jason kind of drifted away from the run.

I just thought alot of the games they were banging their head against the wall.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 3, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

...which you have to do to get better

Unpredictability is the key.

It’s what makes Vick so difficult to defend.

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by 5Blings on Dec 3, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I won't argue that.

Matter of fact I’m not arguing that.

I don’t think that you would argue that running and getting 3 yards or 4 on first down makes it alot easier than when you run and get -2 yards on first down.

It makes it hard to run alot when you are immediately put into bad situations.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 3, 2010 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

True

Not my point, but still true.

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by 5Blings on Dec 4, 2010 6:08 PM CST up reply actions  

How high do we need to pick?

I hate pulling for losses for draft picks, but it seems that the upcoming draft will have some blue-chip studs up top, and I want to make sure we land one. I’m trying to figure where we need to be in the draft to guarantee one.

Bunting has the following as blue chippers:

WR – Green
WR – J. Jones
CB – Peterson
CB – Amukamara
DT/DE – Fairley
OT – Smith
QB – Luck

Assuming Luck goes one, we need to be no lower than #5 to get one of the CBs, Fairley or Smith. WRs seem to slide on draft day, so I don’t see one of them bumping one of our guys down. Maybe Cam Newton does or maybe Dareus does. So maybe as low as #7 we can still get one of our guys.

Also, if we’re in the top 7, then we’re in a good position to trade down if someone wants to move up for a blue chipper. My fear is being the pick right after the blue chippers run out.

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by cowboysuberfan on Dec 3, 2010 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

That was my point of those whole post

Does Bunting not have Da’Quan Bowers as a blue chipper? That would surprise me. And I think Mallett will go top 10, too. He might not be a blue chipper, but he’s just outside that title and he’s a QB. There are some teams (Zona, Carolina, Minny, maybe Buffalo) that will be looking for a franchise guy.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 3, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

with our luck

we will be right on the edge and have only WR’S and QB’S left to choose from

by cmttx on Dec 3, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

well consider these facts,

1.Dallas is hovering around the Seventh pick(/-1 pick)
2. there are only what 4-5 games left to play? and more than likely we will probably go roughly .500 through those games?
 which leads to the opinion that Dallas more than likely will be at the 7th pick(again/- 1 pick)
3 if this stays true most Mock Drafts I have seen have Prince A. going around the Seventh pick which means that Dallas Could very well get one of the Best CB/Safeties in the Draft.

"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain

"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 3, 2010 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

i'm hoping that

the qbs in the draft cause teams to want to trade up for them in the top ten, pushing other elite players our way

by cmttx on Dec 3, 2010 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The more I see Cam Newton, I think its a possibility

that he goes in the top 10. The kid has everything you want in a QB on the field. Seems like a similar situation to Dez Bryant from last year, where no one questions his ability or love for the game. But the off-field crap (maybe a rap sheet, or maybe a jackhole Dad) make him seem like a risk. With Dez turning out ok (so far) it could push a team to take the risk.

And there are so many teams drafting top 10 that need a QB (Carolina, Zona, maybe Buffalo, San Fran, Minny, or even Cincy) that there wont be enough to go around. I think it’s possible that Luck, Mallett and Newton could all go top 10. We should all be rooting for the QBs and WRs to have big Bowl games and Combines.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 6, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

should be

(+/- 1)

"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain

"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 3, 2010 9:08 PM CST reply actions  

YOU...ARE...THE...MAN

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- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 4, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm all for picking Moore

… assuming we’ve traded down to about #20 and picked up an extra first rounder for next year.

by TCBinNYC on Dec 6, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at how many #1 picks don't make it

Be aggressive. Take the guy you REALLY want and don’t roll the dice by trading down and HOPING he’ll be there. No more Max Unger fiascos.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 5, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I watched the USC-UCLA game last night.

Maybe he was having an off game, but Moore wasn’t very impressive. He gave up at least one long rushing TD when he took a bad angle and couldn’t wrap up Allen Bradford. He dove and got stiff armed to the ground like he was a gnat.

Tryon Smith, on the other hand, looked better than I expected. Yeah, he looks like a TE next to the rest of the OL, but he did a very good job of directing his guy out of the play, pulling & trapping or getting a good block at the second level. I do wonder if he’d be able to do that against NFL caliber players.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 5, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Smith is another Charles Brown

…light in the seat and nothing special.

Moore is never going to be a guy who is known for his tackling, but he is a ballhawk who can cover up a ton of deficiencies when we’re trying to defend Desean and Jeremy or Steve and Hakeem.

"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."

- John Wooden (God rest his soul)

by 5Blings on Dec 5, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I would rather have Prince A.

a Corner turned Safety> a pure Safety in today’s NFL

"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain

"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 4, 2010 8:51 AM CST reply actions  

a Corner turned Safety> a pure Safety in today’s NFL

examples?

On the pure safety side you have Ed Reed and Troy Polumala.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Dec 4, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

yes bout those are the Exceptions

not the Rule…Both are still pretty good in coverage situations, thus leads back to my original point

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"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 4, 2010 9:02 AM CST reply actions  

What CB turned safety...

is that great in the NFL?

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by Iron Fist on Dec 4, 2010 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about...

pro bowl CB’s that convereted mid career either.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 4, 2010 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Antrel Rolle....

there may not be any right now but I think that it will become more prevalent as teams start passing even more….

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"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 4, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah I forgot about him

"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain

"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 7, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Making the switch from CB to S is not as easy as it sounds

People will always hold up the example of Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson moving from CB to safety, but there aren’t a lot of examples for a successful conversion outside of those two stellar examples. After some digging, I found three more examples (for the old-timers):

The Cowboys’ Cornell Green (1962-74) made five Pro Bowls – three at cornerback and two more at safety
5-time All-Pro Merton Hanks played CB at Iowa but was considered too slow for a CB and became a safety.
Troy Vincent started 12 NFL season as a CB before moving to FS in Buffalo for two more years.

 

by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 5, 2010 2:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

And Rod Woodson and Ronnie Lot were already HOF CB’s. They are a special type of player.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 5, 2010 6:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Hanks also had a neck that was 26 inches long

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by 5Blings on Dec 5, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

27...

if it was an inch.LOL

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 5, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Really....it made me do a double take every time I saw it

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by 5Blings on Dec 5, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

The only one even close...

is Pat Watkins and his is half the length.

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by lonewolfz28 on Dec 5, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think that it will be done more in the Future...

as teams start passing more, the the In the Box safety,which id already on its last legs will give way to the Corner/ safety Hybrid where teams use the corners like Scandrick( blazing speed, slightly stiff hips) and play them at the Safety Position

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"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 5, 2010 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

OTs

I think most people are greatly undervaluing a few of the OTs in this years class. I think Gabe Carimi will be a stud. He is a road grader with above average feet. Sherrod and Love are both very athletic, but a little raw. I still think they grade out better than any of the 1rst rounders from last year. Castanzo from BC is another above average OT that has the potential to be a long term starter. I would be fine drafting any of them in the top 15 and will almost guarantee that at least 2 of them will go top 10. In your scenario though I would be shocked if Dallas did not go OT. I know it is against Jerry’s normal MO, but I hope the organization is turning for the better. The NFL is won in the trenches and Dallas must get stronger there. I also would not draft any DBs in the 1rst round. This draft is deep in quality DBs so it can be addressed in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

by BigDinLA on Dec 5, 2010 10:05 AM CST reply actions  

Carimi or Costanzo next to Mankins is good enough for me...

…but what about a new center too????

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by 5Blings on Dec 5, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Definitely.

I’m no longer convinced that Bright or Costa could be the future. They both have too far to go to even equal a rapidly declining Gurode. I really wish one of them could’ve stepped up this season.

Costa seems to be trying hard to learn, but doesn’t seem to have the strength or technique yet. Could he develop both? I’m not so sure at this point.

Bright actually looked better at C than G in the preseason…and he wasn’t that good at C. I was very disappointed. I think time is running out on him. He was an old rookie as it was in 2009. He’ll be 28 in January. If only he looked as powerful on the field as he does in the weight room.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 5, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

thats how im feeling

I love Prince and Peterson but i keep thinking the trenches is how games are really won
OL or DL 1st pick then the opposite 2nd pick
just NO Costanzo, idk guy has average Boston College OL written all over him
James Marten 2.0, same scouting report

by Archie Barberio on Dec 7, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree about a center

I would love to grab Wisineiski in the 2nd round or Odowd in the 3rd. Both are hard nosed guys with a ton of experience. The cupboard is definitely bare at interior OL. This would be a pretty good draft to stock up on them.

by BigDinLA on Dec 5, 2010 9:51 PM CST reply actions  

Here is 1 I haven't read about before.

OC Ryan Pugh: (6-1, 295)
There aren’t too many guys out there who have the ability to start at left tackle as a true freshman in the SEC standing at only 6-1, 295 pounds. However, that’s exactly what Ryan Pugh did back in 2007. Since then the guy has moved inside to center and in my view has become one of the best pivots in the nation. He’s an undersized blocker, but sits into his stance well, snaps and sets very quickly, doesn’t waste any motion getting his hands into contact and generates the snap from his lower body to quickly gain leverage and create an initial surge into contact. He’s not only powerful in the run game, but he displays the body control to routinely work his legs through contact and seal defenders away from the football. Plus, the guy is smooth laterally in pass protection, can slide his feet in space and has the savvy to keep his head on a swivel and routinely pick up blitzing backers. Now, size is an issue, as he can be overpowered at times vs. the bull rush against bigger defenders. However, there have been plenty of undersized centers who have made it because they are quick off the ball, play with leverage and coordinated through contact and as a late round/free agent type guy, I think Pugh can do just that and make a roster for a team as a rookie.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Scouts-notebook-offense-6843.html

by Rena on Dec 6, 2010 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like a center Dallas used to have...

you may have heard of him…Stepnoski?

"Of all the things I have lost , I miss my mind the most-Mark Twain

"There is a fine line between Genius and Insanity"-Oscar Levant

I’m not taking anything for granted until I’m sure they’re dead. Dallas is like Freddy Krueger
by Tracer Bullet on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM EST

by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Dec 7, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

DL or OL

As bad as I want Prince or Peterson I think you win in this league really in the trenches
take Sherrod or Fairley or Dareus and lets get nasty in the trenches again
say Dareus and Carimi as our 1st 2 picks I would bust a nut

by Archie Barberio on Dec 7, 2010 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

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