Dallas Cowboys Tidbits: The Romo To IR Fallout
by KD Drummond on Dec 21, 2010 8:00 PM CST
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Here's your latest serving of Cowboys Tidbits. They're like your favorite pizza from college- good anytime of the day! Today's tasty toppings center around the offense, always a topic that the fans can't seem to fill up on.
What a great teammate. Even though he's been placed on injured reserve, DMN's Rainer Sabin reports Tony Romo will continue to travel with the team.
"He has the headset on," said interim coach Jason Garrett . "He understands the plays that are being called and just communicates with Wade Wilson and with Jon Kitna and really with the other guys, too. He's played in this offense more than anybody has, so he has a real understanding of what we're trying to get accomplished."
Already the second quarterback on the depth chart because of No Tony, Stephen McGee still appears a long shot to see any significant action in the teams last two games. Jason Garrett admitted as much during his presser. Rainer Sabin speaks to McGee's reaction:
McGee, who runs the scout-team offense, seemed resigned to his fate in the locker room, only minutes after Garrett revealed his intentions.
"I want to play," he said. "That's a given. That's something that I don't worry about. That's not my choice. I just go out there and get better every day at practice and worry about things I can control and stay the course for what I can take care of."
With Romo off the active roster, there remains the question of who will now become the third quarterback. Charean Williams reports that Manny Johnson, recently brought up from the practice squad could be the answer.
Speaking of our wide receivers, there's been a lot of conversation about the impending call up of Teddy Williams from the practice squad. ESPN Dallas reports the move wasn't made to help the team immediately due to all the injuries.
The Miami Dolphins tried to sign Teddy Williams off the Cowboys practice squad this week according to a source.
When the Dolphins made their move, the Cowboys quickly placed injured quarterback Tony Romo on injured reserve and moved Williams to the active roster.
Now there's an interesting take on the delay of the roster move. Engorge yourself on your tidbits-- you know you deserve them.
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OOPS!!! I wondered why they chose Williams to move up.
KR and WR is a major need. Cowboys!!!
Cowboys For Life!!!! Win,Lose,or Lose Horribly!!!
Dumb
Already the second quarterback on the depth chart because of No Tony, Stephen McGee still appears a long shot to see any significant action in the teams last two games. Jason Garrett admitted as much during his presser.
Jerry needs to tell Garrett he gets a freebie if he plays McGee.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Great...
then we’re definitely on the same fsckin’ merry-go-round.
No thanks. I’d rather take the slim chance this might indicate Jerry’s hand’s coming out of the cookie jar. Even just a bit. Leave the calls to the coach. Like it should be.
Great idea. Encourage Jerry.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
well its only matter of short period of time to turn it around or he has no other choice but to make the big change.
if you think Jerry can market that stadium & survive any other way then having the Dallas Cowboys being contenders to make a deep run in the playoffs every season just won’t cut it when he’s not paying for it with his personal money. the power has shifted from Jerrys ego & to becoming an underachieving GM from the people that he makes his money from. its easy to be a successful oil drilling company & pump your own supply but in the NFL an owner/Gm/everyday operations personnel just doesn’t work. look around at the organizations that won a superbowl in the last decade & take a look at how Dallas is run. if Jerry was as smart of a GM as he is marketing or dilling for oil then a normal person could say well Jerry’s way works but its obvious every year Dallas just doesn’t live up to expectations & he knows its either put up or shut up time before big changes happen fast in the real “structure – culture” at Valley Ranch
i love this organization & the history that was written when it became “Americas Team” but i don’t think any real fan can honestly say they really believe things are going to get any better even if Garrett is more then capable of handling the job. the reason the 2 best coaches in Jerrys era of the owning the team had any success was bc they had control over the personnel. i can’t see Jerry taking a bigger backseat to Garrett then he did with Wade & in someways it could be worse since Garrett is inexperienced at the position. even if we bring in a Dom Capers or some other elite 3-4 DC its only going to make garbage into bologna & still won’t get this team close to a superbowl.
Jason Garrett better make sure he has the ability to evaluate talent & build within the draft, he also better make sure the guys he depends on are doing the their jobs scouting , DC, OC & even the players bc everything is on him now. he also better not take the job under the currect structure where he has zero control over the players just like all the other coaches that failed. if he really has the potential to be a great head coach (a great back up QB is about the best position for a head coach bc star players never really made great coaches) then he would be crazy to blow his 1 chance on something he has no control over. maybe he gets a better offer from another team that will give him the ability to it with his vision & personnel.
the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...
This isnt preseason guys...
These guys are professionals and want to win every game. The fans want to see the best product on the field whether the games count or not and are we forgetting Garrett is trying to be the HC of this team? It shouldnt be a suprise to anyone that Romo is on IR and McGhee wont see the field. Obviously, they know what they have in McGhee and he isn’t ready to step on the field in a real game yet. Me as a fan, I wouldnt mind them tanking the last two games to improve our draft position, but those guys are professional and they want to win. You start McGee and your sending the wrong message to the team right now.
Couldn't agree more
McGee should start the 4th preseason game next season, and get playing time in the other preseason games. Creating a winning culture and working through mistakes, basically, learning how to win and close out games, is more important than getting a little bit of experience for McGee.
Bonafide
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
There are other risks
McGee may not be as accurate as Kitna, causing overthrows or other inaccurate passes that leave WRs open to injuries.
Offensive line players may not have a tremendous amount of confidence in a young QB, causing them to overcompensate and use poor technique.
McGee’s inexperience may shorten drives, causing the defense to spend more time on the field. This could deflate the defense’s already fragile self-confidence, cause fatigue which could lead to injuries, and more.
If we didn’t know what we had in Romo or his backup, I would feel that some of these risks are necessary evils. We have a very strong starting QB and a backup that has played very well, and is likely to be available at a similar level for next season, giving McGee hopefully two more preseasons and another full season to sit back and learn and gain experience.
Hate to break it to you
but we are likely to have only two preseason games. McGee will get half a game to prove himself if he is likely.
What is likely to happen is we’ll go through two more years and let McGee walk without knowing what we have in him.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
The only way I want to see McGee on the field...
is if we are up by 30 points by the end of the 3rd against the Cardinals. Then I would be willing to make that switch. There is still a chance of Kitna injury…
To force him to start goes against the winning culture that Garrett is trying to implement.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Uh dude check Wade's record as head coach here
we had a “winning culture” here already.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Com'on Man!
I include accountability, practice in pads, daily striving for excellence, and JG’s general demeanor as essential aspects of a “winning culture,” not just W-L records.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Sept 12 - Nov 7 was a "failure culture"
That’s why Wade was fired.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
If Jason Garrett is a good coach he will get his players to play hard
no matter who the QB is
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
That's like tying a boxer's left hand behind his back,
and asking him to punch HARDER with his right hand. That’s not the kind of coach I want in the corner.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
That is an awful analogy
Each player is his own person. By McGee starting you are not limiting Ratliff in any way.
Secondly, You are assuming McGee is astronomically worse than Kitna. When in all likelihood starting McGee would actually improve our big play passing game.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Ratliff is greatly effected, as is the entire defense, if they are on the field more often because the offense has a lot of 3 and outs while McGee gets accustomed to NFL game speed.
Not sure about the big play passing game considering our o-line and McGee’s dendency to check down (from previous reports)
Listen, the kid is under contract through 2012. That is two more full offseasons/preseason games and plenty of chances to get better. We’ll eventually see what he’s got and he will be better than he is know when we do.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
tendency, now…I need to type slower and read my stream of consciousness responses before I click post. Sorry
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
No, the analogy is not awful.
It can also be compared to a player injuring one part of his body, it has an effect on the whole body in some way.
The QB’s play had immediate impact on the offense, and ultimate impact on the whole team. You already know that, I’m sure.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
There is no excuse for one player to play poorly because another is
that is just ridiculous
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
That's not what I'm saying, and you know it.
Don’t start that “assuming” stuff again.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Then please explain to me in detail how starting McGee
will affect Garrett’s evaluation of the Defense
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Take a look at what happened to the Chiefs two weeks ago.
They started their young QB (Brodie Croyle) and it was a disaster. They lost to SD 31 to 0.
Prior to that game the KC defense was only allowing opponents to score an average of 19.75 points per game.
The Chiefs only had 5 offensive first downs the whole game.
They were 0 of 11 on third down conversions.
The offense had a total of 67 yards for the entire game (only 19 passing yards)
They had 6 offensive series that went 3 and out.
Did that kind of poor QB play have any affect on the defense? Yes, they were on the field for over 40 minutes and were exhausted.
Now this may be an extreme case, but it is an actual case.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Different situation
Arizona is not the Chargers. I don’t think anyone would compare the Cardinals defense to the Chargers. Which is why this is the perfect game for McGee to start.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
My point is that poor QB play has an affect on the defense.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Chargers will make any QB look bad
the average QB rating against the Chargers defense is 70.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
...and an inexperienced QB was much worse: 48.9 (Croyle)
But the point was not to compare the Chargers with the Cardinals, I was answering your question as to how poor QB play affects the defense.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Croyle was not inexperienced
he has been in the league for 5 years and has started many NFL games.
Anyhow that is besides the point, he was playing against the best passing defense in the NFL. The poor play of KC was not necessarily a result of poor QB play. Croyle didn’t have an interception in that game. KC played poorly because it was playing against an elite offense and an elite defense. Arizona is hardly either.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
The issue was...
they had so many 3 and outs that the Chief defense was on the field for over 40 minutes, which correlates to poor offensive play led by the QB.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
And the Chargers have the second best offense
in the NFL. It is not like them cutting up defenses is out of the norm.
Good thing we are playing against the Cardinals… Huh?
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Yes, I'm glad we're playing ARI, not SD.
I’m also glad we’re playing Kitna, not McGee.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
One: if they are professionals they would try to win with McGee as well
and if Garrett is a good coach he would get them to play hard for McGee. Just because you put McGee in doesn’t mean you are forfeiting the game.
Two:
Obviously, they know what they have in McGhee
Really? How can you even say something like? If anything our coaches have proven to be nothing other than incompetent when it comes to player evaluation.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Now u want Jerry to step in????
All I hear is that jj should let his coach make the decisions now u want jj to influence his calls on personal decisions. It’s not a 2 way street bud
by scandrick32 on Dec 21, 2010 10:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jerry is not making the decision
Garrett still makes the final decision, but Jerry makes it easy on him by saying that if he wishes to put McGee in he gets a freebie.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Right, the Puppet-Master strikes again...
I’m not arguing against potentially playing McGee in game-time situations, so long as it’s done with an eye to winning (as always should be) and it’s the HC’s call, nothing, and I mean nothing, to do with Jerry’s wants, talks or influence.
If Jerry indicates freedom of action or anything else and that influences a HC to do something he wouldn’t otherwise have done, I don’t give a d@mn if it was Landry, that guy’s the wrong one for the job. And it takes a lot for me to even be bringing Tom’s name into this nonsense.
I want a HC with the resolve to stick to his guns, the integrity to “man up” when he fails in his responsibilities and the charaacter to tell somebody, even his boss, to mind their own business, it’s his responsibility, not theirs.
Not a puppet.
Lisyyyyy, I see where you’re coming from about McGee, but if potentially sacrificing an unknown QB quantity, for better or worse, is the price for getting something of a change in culture instilled in this organization , I say pay it.
And it’s all a big “if” anyways.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
To take the other side...
it’s not really interference. GMs all over the league will tell coaches they need to evaluate players to set the roster, particularly when the season is decided. How else would a GM-coach team function? So if Jerry (and hopefully in consultation with the HC and scouts) needs to see certain key players in order to set the next draft board or decide who to cut and who to pursue, he’d be more incompetent for just letting the HC continue on auto-pilot trying to win games if that didn’t serve the organization’s longer-term goals.
I’m not arguing which one is the right strategy, just that GMs have (and should have) a strategy and it’s their job to orchestratwe the actions of their organization to carry that strategy through.
Don't believe everything you think.
It is interference
That’s the point. Regardless of whether it’s owner, GM, or anybody. Take personalities and specific situations (ie. Jerry, Garrett, Cowboys, all of it) out of the equation.
If the HC doesn’t understand part of his responsibility is to evaluate players-on-board as part of the collaborative processes in an organization, he’s not the man to fulfill the responsibilites of the position in the first place. It’s not something that should have to be told or ok’d to a HC. If the guy doesn’t know it before becoming an upper-level coach, he sure as hell isn’t qualified to be “the coach”, the head honcho, the HC.
HC continue on auto-pilot trying to win games if that didn’t serve the organization’s longer-term goals
And if he’s prone to this in the slightest sense, there’s the door.
The GM/coach relationship, or any comprehensively effective hierarchy, requires a complete and separated delegation of responsibility coupled with the authority to fulfill those responsibilites. If the GM needs to exercise influence or authority extending down into any subordinate position, there’s no clear delineation of responsibility/authority, which is part of the problem. And there’s definitely a problem with respect to the individual appointed to fulfill those responsibilities if it’s required when the preceding conditions exist.
Otherwise, we might as well go whole-hog and just make someone owner/GM/HC and be done with it.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Oh I forgot...
We tried that already (owner/GM/HC). Worked out just great, didn’t it.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I think you misunderstand the roles
As much as many of us think Jerry makes too many decisions with his heart and pocketbook rather than reason, it is in fact the GM’s role to make ALL personnel decisions for the organization. Ideally the HC makes game-day, on-field decisions about the players provided by the GM. If you think it’s otherwise, look closely at other clubs.
Where the friction comes in is when the roles must logically overlap. For example, now, do you try to win the next game or do you evaluate talent to inform acquisition decisions down the road? Win now is the HC, talent management and acquisition is the GM. Of course the HC has input on talent. But so do scouts, the GM, cap managers, other front office characters, etc. Unless the HC is also the GM (a dying breed), it’s not his call. Other points of overlap / friction include draft decisions, salary cap decisions and even media/marketing efforts.
The argument is not whether he’s interfering, He’s performing his role as GM. The question is whether he’s making good decisions. And that’s obviously very much an open one.
Don't believe everything you think.
Micromanagement's never the answer
And overlap still requires delineation of responsibility/authority.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
It's possible that Jones micromanages
but it’s not the fact that people make it out to be. In truth none of us know (a) how this team functions internally and (b) how that compares to other teams. All we know is that Jerry likes to talk to the media and that gives an impression that he is actually doing all the things that a HC should be doing.
It’s all assumption and I doubt the accuracy of it.
Don't believe everything you think.
Yep, everything said here...
is nothing but opinion based on perspective and second-hand info, at best. No argument there.
And you’re right to doubt the accuracy since assumption inherently introduces error. Absolute agreement with you on that.
Just so we’re clear, I did not state it was fact that Jerry micromanages.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
And to be clear on my side
I think Jerry is shaky at the GM role. He’s like the classic long-ball slugger – hits homeruns in some areas (like later draft picks and UDFAs) and then strikes out swinging with some of his earlier picks and FA signings. My preference would be to see Stephen Jones take the reins sooner rather than later because he seems to be less prone to speculative dealing.
Don't believe everything you think.
Well I think the relationship is a bit different if the head coach thinks he is still
auditioning for a job.
And like I said it wouldn’t be interference, since Jerry would give Garrett the final decision. He would just reassure him he would get a freebie if Garrett decides (not Jerry) to start McGee.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Anyone concerned about...
’auditioning" for a job is neglecting their responsibility to have their undivided attention focused on performing the job.
There’s the door. Next.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
That would be expecting a person
to not act like a person. Of course Garrett has to be concerned with making a good impression, for this job or his next. He’s a coach, it’s his livelihood.
Don't believe everything you think.
I'm well aware...
of human nature, including foibles. I don’t “expect” a person to “not act like a person”. That they will’s a given.
What I do require, not expect, is that they put aside personal considerations in fulfilling professional responsibilities.
And yes, it’s an unrealistic expectation of people.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I see your point
but as long as you make personal achievement and organizational success the same or nearly the same, it all works out. So if the “audition” simply requires winning games and bringing a semblance of discipline, then he can do both and neither suffers.
Don't believe everything you think.
Yep, sure can and here's hoping it does
Admittedly, I’m an unrealistic extremist on the personal/professional aspect and not just in this regard. Most especially regarding myself, above any others.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
+1 Lissyyyyy
But I doubt it will happen.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Short-sighted
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Isn't doing everything to win now
and ignore future plans for player acquisition the definition of short-sighted.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Shame I never said any such thing, now isn't it?
Your’re mistaking correlation for causation, to boot.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Winning now doesn't necessarily equal ignoring future plans.
You can win now and still plan very wisely for the future at the same time. It’s not one or the other.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
You can win now with McGee
but starting Kitna is ignoring future plans
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
You're only GUESSING that we win with McGee now.
However, we KNOW we can win with Kitna now, and winning is still the goal.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
We have a CHANCE of winning with McGee
but when you are starting Kitna you KNOW you are hurting your future plans. That is a fact.
And it is completely silly you are so worried about winning two meaningless games to the point where you are trying to eliminate any small risk even if it sacrifices future plans. It is totally and utterly illogical.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Starting Kitna
gives us a better picture of everybody else, except for McGee.
We see if Hurd has skills to start, if our O-Line can improve their game, if Bennett is learning how to read blitzes and run hot routes, can our RBs get a rythm going if we have a blanaced attack and not trying to play catch up, and we don’t handicap the defense with a lot of possible 3 and outs and turnovers.
Starting Kitna is actually better for the future analysis of the current roster as opposed to starting McGee, hoping he plays well, but risking his play leads to everyone else underperforming.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
We have had 14 games of evaluating "everyone else"
if the coaches need two more games (one against a horrible teams, Arizona Cardinals) then we need to get new coaches.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Garrett has had only 6 games of evaluating everyone else
“The goal every day is to put your best foot forward and to be your best,” Garrett said. "That’s an important thing for anybody, whether you are a coach or a player, a football team or whether you are a person in life. That’s what we are going to continue to do.
“In our game, it’s about winning and losing. We try our best to win every week. We try our best to go about it the right way. Our young players who need be evaluated understand that approach. … When they get their opportunities, hopefully they’ll do that. A lot of guys have gotten a lot of opportunities in recent weeks, and we got a chance to evaluate them.”
It just hasn’t happened with McGee yet…on the field. You think Garrett isn’t studying McGee as he runs the 2nd team offense against our 1st team defense? Just because we haven’t seen him doesn’t mean the coaching staff don’t have a better idea of where McGee is now that he is doing the work of the #2 QB. He will get his chance, no reason to hurt everyone else’s to do so. But hey, let’s go up 30 against the Cardinals and WE will likely see some McGee, that I will hope for.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Wow because you know I thought Garrett has been offensive coordinator
for the past four years. Clearly we are talking about different Jason Garretts.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
We are...
because the one I think matters most is the HC interim JG. The one with new duties, including assessing the play of ALL the players.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Read above
Realistically, McGee would take a while to get in rythm…keeping the defense on the field longer. Turnovers and or 3 and outs wearing the defense down. And then if we fall behind, the defense doesn’t play like it normally would, it has to stack against the team running out the clock…and our secondary needs as much practice as possible.
McGee will have plenty of time to improve. We haven’t seen him play, but he is getting more reps at practice than he used to and I am sure the coaches have a better idea in what they have in McGee.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
And even if you were correct which you are not
one game out of 8 is not going to make all the difference.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Every game matters.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
not when you are out of the playoffs
that maxim only applies if you are fighting for the playoffs
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
not true
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
yes it is true
when you are out of the playoffs people care a lot less whether you win or lose a game. I’m sorry if that is not morally acceptable to you, but that is reality.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
Strike the word "people" and insert your own name.
Then, and only then, will that be a true statement.
The players want to win = reality!
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
I can promise you the interest level
of the fans in whether these games are won and lost compared to this time last year is down dramatically. You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
And I’m sure the players want to win, but 6 months from now it will have zero affect on their psyche.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
The fans may lose interest; I'm sure you have.
But the players want to win, so does the owner and coaches.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Why should the players be concerned about their psyche six months from now?
They have a game to win Saturday night.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
I could give two flying **** how a player feels after
the game on saturday all I care about is how that player will play next year when we have another opportunity to get a championship
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I think you underestimate the effect of ending the season on a high note. Having the players look at JG the coach and say we can win with him. Keep the momentum going into the offseason. Having players realize that he will do everything it takes to get us to play like a championship team and win.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Didn't Cleveland end last year on a high note?
Carolina too?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Your problem is...
…. that you predicate what you say on the fact that you believe these are “meaningless” games. The owner, coaches, and players don’t see it that way. Neither do I.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
I don't care how you wish to see it
Fact of the matter is it is meaningless. Whether we beat or don’t beat the Arizona Cardinals this week will have absolutely no effect on whether we get to the superbowl next year. Zero. You can talk about these silly abstract ideas of good fuzzy feelings, but fact of the matter is not a single player will care whether we won or lost a game against the Cardinals after we were eliminated from the playoffs.
And just because you start McGee doesn’t mean you are forfeiting the game. I don’t know where you got that idea from. Kitna is not Peyton Manning. At best he is marginally better than McGee. Throwing Checkdowns to your TE’s and rbs doesn’t make you an all pro.
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I don't care, that you don't care.
But if you want to align yourself with the way the owner, coaches, and players approach these last games on the schedule, then you have to change your thinking.
Corrections Needed:
1) I am not talking in silly abstracts or good fuzzy feelings (these are your assumptions)
2) Every player cares whether they win or lose (you’re kidding yourself to think otherwise)
3) I never compared Kitna to Peyton (you did)
4) Since Kitna is better than McGee, we should start our best players.
5) No one suggested that throwing check downs makes an all pro (why would you even say that)
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
1) yes you are
2) they do. But 6 months from now they won’t care whether they beat the Cardinals in a meaningless game or not.
3) You do treat Kitna like he is something he is not. And what he is is a bus driver QB.
4) I said “at best” he is “Marginally” better than McGee. Do you know what “at best” and “marginal” means?
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
What I have said about Kitna is
that he is a good back up to Romo, nothing more, nothing less. Do I think we should keep him around next year? Yes. Has he performed better than I thought he would? Yes. Does he gives us the best chance to win now? Yes. But Romo is our future.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
We need to know.....
if MacGee can cut it, from what I’ve seen he can’t.
We need to bring in someone to groom to take over for Romo.
Off his performances of late by Kitna we should be able to get a good draft choice for him which we could use to get a decent backup.
by TCB Orange Dino on Dec 21, 2010 11:05 PM CST reply actions
Romo isn't going anywhere anytime soon
so therefore we’ll have plenty of future preseasons to see what we have in McGee.
In Romo we Trust
That's unless he continues to play behind a piss poor o-line...
…which may result in an early end to his career…
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
kitna gets 4 million a year to backup
would be nice to know if mcgee can even play at this level..and if he can’t thats …need to know information…and that scares me if they think he can’t….which means jerry drafts a QB in the top 10 instead of a real need now… on DL…and OL for starters
As long as we have Romo we don't need to draft a QB in the top 10,
Especially with so many other needs on this team.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
+100000000000
Listen, there is NO need to pick a QB in the top 10, especially since we won’t pick until 10-15. But anyway…
Further more, there is no rush in seeing what we have in McGee. Kitna has another year on his contract so he will be here next year as the #2. McGee will get to compete with him in the offseason, will get another full training camp, and will see some preseason action.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
But that decision is one we'll have to wait for the draft to see...
If JJ addresses the team needs this board has identified then maybe tanstaafl’s post hit home. But if JJ is our old familiar JJ on draft day 1, we’ll see trades & foolish moves as he tries for another ‘shiny’ toy. He could very well try to draft a QB in the early 1st. Would that surprise anyone?
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Whatever.
If Andrew Luck is on the board when we’re picking, Jerry better grab him. Imagine if we actually had a franchise QB.
by 1 proud terp on Dec 22, 2010 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Imagine if you knew anything at all about QBs!
Oh never mind. That’s way too far out of the box…
Don't believe everything you think.
Dunkman, the expert on QB's...
please tell me what Romo has won, and tell me how he’s handled big game situations late in the year since he’s been our starter? And then give me YOUR definition of “franchise QB”. Can’t wait to hear another delusional Romo apologist….I’m waiting……
by 1 proud terp on Dec 23, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry, is that you?
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I thought it was pretty obvious why they brought Williams up.
I doubt he even dresses for either of the last 2 games. This time of year it’s more about protecting your young players from other teams.
by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 21, 2010 11:34 PM CST reply actions
that's the idea
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
No way we see McGee play
unless of course Kitna gets hurt but I’m praying that Kitna does not get hurt.
I want to see what McGee can do.
Playing kitna is pointless at this juncture.
by 1 proud terp on Dec 22, 2010 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
The point is to win, so we play our best available QB. Kitna.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
You assume we can't win with McGee
I have faith, you’ll never know if you don’t try. Perfect opportunity for players to step up.
by 1 proud terp on Dec 22, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
Whether we could or could not win with McGee is an assumption.
Instead, let’s just go with what we know: we can win with Kitna. No need to assume anything.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Nothing is a given, that's why we play the games.
If McGee plays, his teammates need to step it up for him. Anybody that quits on him, needs to be gone for next year anyway. The purge is on.
by 1 proud terp on Dec 22, 2010 9:55 PM CST up reply actions
Bishop
I think you’re arguing with a “robo-poster”. His lines are essentially: Romo sucks, anyone who has never taken a regular season snap is better. Romo sucks, anyone who has never taken a regular season snap is better. Romo sucks, anyone who has never taken a regular season snap is better. Romo sucks, anyone who has never taken a regular season snap is better. Romo sucks, anyone who has never taken a regular season snap is better. Romo sucks, anyone who has never taken a regular season snap is better. Romo sucks, anyone who has never taken a regular season snap is better. Romo sucks, anyone who has never taken a regular season snap is better. Romo sucks, anyone who has never taken a regular season snap is better.
Don't believe everything you think.
Oh man, we have to deal with that kinda sh!t on top of...
people now. This computer thing’s for the birds. I’m going back to bars.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Thanks for the warning
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
I'm still waiting for someone to prove me wrong. Hard to do when you have to deal
with facts. As a cowboys fan, I’ve lived through plenty of unsuccessful QB’s, and I’ll be around after Romo’s tenure has mercifully ended. How many more seasons do you want to waste with inopportune int’s and fumbles in big moments of the biggest games? You’re too blinded by Romo’s hipster aura to face reality. Oh, well, it’s your right.
by 1 proud terp on Dec 24, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
Here's a solution to all.
Just put in McGee in some situational plays, walla. Now we can stop debating something that probably isn’t going to change.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Reason. The Voice of Reason and Sanity.
Finally.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Let put it to you this way
I think the reason we don’t see McGee play is because he probably has not done anything that would make the coaching staff think he is ready to play.
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