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Jason Garrett and the Golden Opportunity


Today was all about the Dallas Cowboys on the NFL Network.  Tom Landry biopic.  Top Ten Cowboys.  Super Bowl reflections via America's Game.

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Two of those Super Bowls came courtesy of one Jimmy Johnson.  I remember the 1992 season finale against the Bears.  Everything was sowed up playoff-wise and we waxed their asses anyway.  Our coach also sent a message.  He cut Curvin Richards.  Nothing like the Turk to get a team's attention.

Now it's 2010.  The playoffs are all sorted out.  We lost anyway.  The coach has a golden opportunity to send a message.  He should cut Marion Barber

I know it won't happen... but it should.

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If I was Jason Garrett and had some money in the bank

I’d tell Jerry to pound sand after that pre-game interview. Telling an entire national audience he didn’t have enough experience and preferred to Make History!

Jerry you have already. By taking our proud, beloved franchise- turning it into the Dallas Pretenders. Shiny Toys redux. He’s probably recruiting Cowher now on an airport tarmac because some report said he didn’t want to coach in Dallas.

We live life forwards and understand it backwards

by tdships on Dec 25, 2010 11:47 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I heard about the interview from someone else. I'd be pretty upset if I were JG.

Jerry has proven he’s gone off the deep end. Our only hope is Stephen Jones being the voice of reason and for his opinions to hold enough weight with Jerry to actually affect his decision making. It’s probably a 50/50 shot, at this point.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Dec 26, 2010 1:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Funny Jerry said Garrett had 5 games under his belt...

uh, make that 6. It seems during those interviews Jerry just loves that spotlight more than just winning.

by selke99 on Dec 26, 2010 3:39 AM CST up reply actions  

seems sir? nay it is..

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 26, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Super Bowls.........

Courtesy of Jimmy Johnson.Shitzer just used what Jimmy provided him.He was an utter failure after that just as Jerry Joneshas been.

Don’t put this loss all on JG.Wade was the idiot that thought Buhler could kick field goals.That’s three games lost we can put squarely on him.

by TCB Orange Dino on Dec 25, 2010 11:52 PM CST reply actions  

jimmy didn't win anything without Jerry either

People seem to forget that

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 26, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Bull$h!t!!!!!!!!!!

Jimmy won at Oklahoma State, Won National Championships at Miami, and went to the playoffs 3 times in 4 years with the Dolphins. His greatest success as a coach was with the Cowboys, but stop this nonsense that he never won anything without Jerry Jones at his side

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by Seanrude on Dec 26, 2010 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Calm down, man

He wasn’t referring to college. Jimmy was an excellent head coach. But ask anyone on this site, and he was also the NFLs best GM. Johnson went to Miami, and I believe he never won much of anything there. Jerry and Jimmy were a team—Jerry played a hand in those three Super Bowl wins, too.

by Admiral Dallas on Dec 27, 2010 5:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not taking away from Jimmy as a coach

In College it’s different, you go out, and if you can recruit well..you can bring in the best talent around you that you possibly can.

In the Jimmy/Jerry era, they could go out and buy talent, and with the right money could put the best talent around them that they possibly could. The Salary Cap ended that, and handicapped both Jimmy and Jerry.

Jimmy was a great coach, Jerry was a great GM. If Jimmy would’ve came from college and began coaching the Falcons or the Bucs, he probably would not have won 2 Super Bowls with either of those teams, is all i’m saying.

Jerry is at the top, so obviously he get’s most of the blame for the woe’s the Cowboys have and have had, however no one gives him is just due for the good things he’s done recently. Everyone knew we were going to need to start rebuilding our line soon, but to think that our line, who is old but not over the hill yet, would crash and burn as if they were all 38 years old is a little ridiculous. We all know now that something should’ve been done, but at the same time…the positions we have addressed we’re in need of being addressed. Maybe Dez was a luxury pick, but I would pick him again and again if you re-did the draft over and over. We haven’t really been in a position to fix this offensive line on too many occasions.

No one expected this team to be this bad, you can say you seen it coming, but I’d call you a liar. Maybe you did see it coming, but I’d be hard-pressed to believe it.

I’ll make this claim now, I am a big Jerry supporter…sometimes I don’t even know why, but I am…

However, If this year, our offensive line and atleast safeties aren’t addressed, I will be one pissed of cat at Jerry Jones.

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 7:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Jerry was, and still is, a great owner. Jerry is not now and never has been a great General manager

It was Jimmy who was making the talent decisions, pulling the trigger on draft picks and trades, deciding who to cut and who to retain. Jerry was signing checks and marketing the team. Anything else is revisionist history.

I keep asking these questions of Jerry’s Kids, and no one ever answers them: If jerry were forced to sell the Cowboys tomorrow, would the new owners retain him as General Manager? If not, why not? If Jerry were to hit the open market as a General Manager, would any of the other 31 teams in the league hire him? WHy not?

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by Seanrude on Dec 27, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

To answer your questions...

though I may not be whatever you define as one of “Jerry’s Kids”, since, like you, I see his value as an owner.

No and no.

Answer to both “why not” ’s: Because there are more competent alternatives available.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Jimmy went to the playoffs 3 out of the 4 years he was in Miami.

Jerry generated revenue for the Cowboys through his relentless marketing and innovative business deals that gave the Cowboys an edge in those early years, The idea that Jerry was breaking down college film to assess players to pick up int he draft is laughable.

But you know what, I will concede the point to you. For the sake of this discussion, I will say that Jerry was the General Manager not just in name but in fact, that Jimmy played no role in talent acquisition, that it was all Jerry who put together the talent that won three Super Bowls in four years. If I concede that all of that is true, will you concede that game has passed Jerry by?

Lifelong Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/

by Seanrude on Dec 27, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Lol, we've went through this, and again it's a tough one to answer

I will also concede, that Jerry probably would not have a job somewhere else, however..There are worse GM’s in the league.

As someone on this blog said in respose to your question before, It’s too hard to seperate Jerry the owner from Jerry the GM. We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. When Jimmy was the coach and we were winning it was jimmy making the picks and doing the scouting, and for the most part I believe that. However, just as Jerry wasn’t watching college game film and scouting players and the like back then, I don’t believe he is now. He trusts his scouts, which most people think is something he doesn’t do. I don’t believe it’s jerry in there hand picking every draft pick, and thats my point. Did he fail by hiring scouts who aren’t getting the job done? Yes, absolutely. People just make it out like he has his own fantasy draft and picks who ever he thinks the team needs, not what the coaches tell him, and I simply do not believe that to be true. Does he have a hand in it? Yes, again, absolutely. Don’t blame him for every single bad pick. He’s not the only owner that meddles in football operations, unfortunately for us and others the teams who’s owners do meddle don’t always have success (See; Titans and Redskins)

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

It’s too hard to seperate Jerry the owner from Jerry the GM.

No, it really is not that hard. Imagine the economy tanks further, and Jerry is forced to sell the Cowboys, stranger thing have certainly happened. Would any other team hire him as General Manager?

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by Seanrude on Dec 27, 2010 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

No, I totally get what you're saying

What i’m saying is, we as the common fan can’t 100 percent distinguish the two, because we don’t know the daily ongoings of what it is that Jerry the owner and Jerry the GM do. Based off of what we know, however, I can agree with you.

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

of course, that's probably the root of the problem

Neither can Jerry.

I’ve said it before,and i’ll say it again. I don’t even know sometimes why I defend Jerry. I was there for the horrific late 90’s and early 2000’s. I still defend him tooth and nail to this day. Maybe i’m a glutton for punishment and let down.

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

And yes, he wen't to the playoffs, but I don't think that's ever a teams' only goal

I mean, Jerry won a Super Bowl after Jimmy left. Do you think Jimmy would consider himself more Successful after he left Dallas than Jerry was after Jimmy left? Do you think Jimmy says “Well I built that team, so it’s just like I won a super bowl” I bet he doesn’t.

I mean, how many years, of success and playoff appearances have the Colts had? A whole damn lot in recent years, 10 out of the last 11 years they have been in the playoffs….how many championships? 1. Playoffs are great, but if you lose in the playoffs…you’re still a loser at the end of the season.

Do I think we can win a Super Bowl with Jerry at the helm, yes. Do I think there needs to be some changes on this team, personnel wise and philosophy wise? Again, absolutely. I’m not disagreeing with anyone that Jerry has made mistakes, I agree with that. People act like Jerry has made us the laughing stock of the NFL when we too (not including this year) made the playoffs three of the last four years.

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Do you think Jimmy says "Well I built that team, so it’s just like I won a super bowl" I bet he doesn’t.

Does Jimmy think he won that Super Bowl? Probably not. DOes Jimmy think he deserves at least some credit for that Super Bowl? Absolutely, as does anyone else who looks at it

Lifelong Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/

by Seanrude on Dec 27, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Dislike doing this, but...
To date, you can’t operate the same way now as then and win or even achieve SuperBowl titles or even Conference Championships.

Fact.

Originally stated less accurately, with similar gist:

Now remember, the landscape’s changed since you first stepped on the stage. You can’t operate the same way now as then and expect SuperBowl titles or even Conference Championships. Success doesn’t come that easy anymore. It’s a more complicated league, what with free agency, regulations and the myriad other considerations to achieving success within the context of the times. But we’re back to how the owner, the supreme franchise decision-maker, defines success, now aren’t we?
Inarguable, other than Jerry’s definition of success. Which may need revision for the “success” we want and can only come from within the man, not an external source.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Because a person can "expect" whatever they choose

Sometimes the expectation’s the result of delusional or inaccurate thinking.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, he's said the marketing matters more to him

But IMO his marketing will decline more as the "America’s Team’ title is challenged again and again. Everyone else in the NFL wants the tag to disappear. As the fan base shrinks, JJ’s profits will also. But will it occur in a short enough time to influence his way of GMing?

When in doubt, empty your magazine

by MudMarine on Dec 27, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

All addressed elsewhere, as you know.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I will preface my response...

by saying I love Jimmy Johnson as a head coach, big time. But I also realize that he coached here pre-salary cap. He coached Miami during the salary cap and how did that work out? True, he made the playoffs and had a nice team. But he is also responsible for the one of the worst playoff defeats in NFL history.

by TheCowboyFan on Dec 27, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Barber is most likely gone after this season regardless

I really think people are freaking out over nothing, though. The celebration rules in the NFL are stupid and called inconsistently. I don’t blame Barber for the loss, and I certainly don’t think that alone warrants cutting the guy. The fact that we have two capable backs behind him might, but not a BS penalty.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Dec 26, 2010 1:34 AM CST reply actions  

Not Blaming Barber

The whole team is to blame for this loss. However, this is a grand opportunity to take a stand against the stupid penalties this team is known for.

by HutHut on Dec 26, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Though the rules may be bs it is ignorant to ignore them.

It’s hard to believe that professional players making millions of dollars can’t manage to follow simple guidelines. Unfortunately it’s a further symptom of the “Look at me, I’m great” illness that plagues the entire league.

I think it was Shula who said about end zone antics, “Son, act like you have been there before!”

By the way, I’m not singling out your team in this respect. Our guys pose and dance wlith the best of them. I don’t mind a simple end zone spike but too many players are too impressed with their own importance in my opinion.

by giant fan since 57 on Dec 26, 2010 4:18 AM CST reply actions  

Nice point. I Agree.

This is also fueled by a hero worship mentality among the media. This seems the logical outgrowth of putting more and more players in the booth and in analyst positions—these ex players think that what they did was the greatest thing ever done on earth. Just listen to Jaworski talk about the qb position—you’d think qbs are single-handedly saving the planet.

I was at the game yesterday and was pretty disappointed and embarrassed by Barber’s antics—the guy goes crazy over a three yard run, thus it was predictable that he would get an excessive celebration penalty for a 20 plus yard TD run.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 26, 2010 9:06 AM CST up reply actions  

And to think...it all started with "White Shoes" Johnson's spindly legs dance and the "Icky Shuffle"

I think my least favorite one was the Redskins infamous “Fun Bunch.” I can see all these guys at age sixty trying to explain to their kids how cool they used to be.

by giant fan since 57 on Dec 26, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

First End Zone Dance I Remember

Was Elmo Wright of the Chiefs, in the early 1970’s, who did a high-speed, high stepping dance that looks tame in comparison to the elaborate moves you see now, but which was very revolutionary at the time. Spiking the ball was considered a big deal then, so Elmo’s dance really stood out. Billy Johnson elevated the dance routine, and Ernest Givens reached the pinnacle, in my opinion, with the smooth Electric Slide. Most of the dance moves since then have been lame and or self-indulgent.

by kindablue on Dec 26, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Perfect
“Son, act like you have been there before!”

Regardless of your team loyalties, your words are those of a football fan, first and foremost. Shula’s quote should be drilled into every player from the ground up and carved more in their hearts than even above the locker-room doorway.

D@mn, I love it when other teams fans see beyond the loyalties we all have and see the sport too.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

What I found even more disturbing

was at the end of the game when the Cards had 4th and long. Cameras pan the Dallas sideline. Half the players are celebrating. I told my buddy right then, “We’re going to lose this game”. He asked why I said that. I told him,“These dumbazzes think the game’s over”. Sure enough..first down,,field goal..nausea ensues.

I started out with nothing and still have most of it left

by Benthere on Dec 26, 2010 12:56 PM CST reply actions  

It's a Team

With no killer instinct, or brains. They congratulate themselves too much and too early. Celebrate when the clock says 0:00 and you have more points on the scoreboard than the opponent.

by kindablue on Dec 26, 2010 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

JG was trying to keep the players focused but couldn't

Did you guys see him fussing at the players to get behind the sideline after the touchdown. I think he was trying to keep them in the moment, the game not over, but this bunch at times I think is uncoachable, what with MBIII a captain. Even after the kickoff, JG was trying to get them to under control, to try to run another play but and still try to win the game but the players had already given up.

It’s gonna take a training camp and off-season to change the culture of this team. That and cut some people. MBIII for performance and attitude will be a good first start. Cut the cancerous leaders and the followers will “play ball.”

by dougster on Dec 26, 2010 6:58 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Total Agreement,where the HE@% are the team captains,why aren't they leading?

It is going to take an off-season and a few “Loud And Clear” messages sent via the Turk to get this team on track!

Cowboys For Life!!!! Win,Lose,or Lose Horribly!!!

by NVCowboy4Life on Dec 27, 2010 4:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks

Appreciate your pointing that out, and agree he needs some real teaching time to instill a new
attitude in them.

To me MB is a goner.

by oldtimer on Dec 28, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

There's that vaguely-defined, all-inclusive word again, "culture"

The one we all know the meaning of in a similar fashion to “love”.

Apologies on the re-posted comment from another article, but I’d be saying it in reply anyways.

1. Individuals cannot be made into a team at the drop of a hat (or coach), the snap of magic fingers or in short time-frames. Too many variables at play. Human nature, environment, support structure (ie. organizational, operational and "culture").

2. The game was, despite WSH being previous, a classic "trap". Though no games should ever be, esp. for us this season, they exist if only because of attitude. Throw in the "holiday" spirit, as evidenced in broadcast and on sideline, you have a seriousness-killer. Besides, Cards were wearing Santa’s colors. ;

3. Despite the flaws, the challenges the game revealed we still have (what, anybody "expected" them to be gone?), the questions and quandrys, I saw something more like a football team on Christmas night than I saw against GB, Jacksonville and many other games this season. Ups and downs, there’s something there that we’ve lacked for many years. Team, not individuals, despite the lapses to habit (see MBIII infraction).

Despite all the weeping wailing whining angst, the condemnations and defendings, the dreads and hopes (dashed and otherwise), I’m still somewhat at a loss for who better to collaborate and work within the Cowboys current overall structure and "culture" to be part of bringing about the effective change required for the "success" we all seem to want.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 28, 2010 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

The MBII issue is interesting

How’s his leadership quotient these days? Blatant rule violation in mid-game while trailing, despite the fact the team has been called on this twice before in the season? Earlier – clear defiance of a coach’s team rule – especially as a Captain? I guess your leadership gets called into question only if you’re a QB on this team.

Interestingly, I read a very good piece on Eli Manning and how he deliberately refused to assert himself in a Giants locker room with such large personalities as Srtahan and Barber. Only after his SB win, did he begin to assert his leadership more. Interesting concept, this using of championship credibility, this earning a leadership role because as a Dallas Cowboy QB you must be a leader virtually coming out of the womb.

Eli addressed the players after last week’s meltdown vs PHL. Then went out and threw 4 picks in a critical game. Whoops, looks like not all leadership is good. And I guess playing well means something, too.

We live life forwards and understand it backwards

by tdships on Dec 26, 2010 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with what everyone is saying about Barber

He should know, especially with the early season struggles and stupid penalties, that that’s ignorant.

However, if i were Barber, I probably would’ve done it to. I know he hears what everyone says, he’s done he’s finished, he just doesn’t have it. He missed what, 3 games, and came back and had the great run that looked like the Barbarian of old and he was excited. If I was him, I do the same thing.

Of course, If I were him, I’d do it about five yards farther in front of him…AKA the sideline.

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, heat of the moment thing...

You can only caution a person to temper passion with reason.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Notice it was...

Choice pointing out the infraction on the spot.

’nuff said.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

took his helmet off

"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)

by BishopWest on Dec 27, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Ok, yeah that's just dumb.

He needs to use that emotion running over players.

by TheAnsah on Dec 27, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Helmet vs Lambeau leap

Anyone else think that there’s a little disparity between what is called and not called.

by oldtimer on Dec 28, 2010 12:12 PM CST reply actions  

Always has been, always will be.

Take it down to same action by two different players or two different officials. Nature of the game. Wouldn’t have it any other way, truth be told. Computer-like accuracy and consistency? Nice idea, but no thanks. I’ll live with the human element. Besides, think of the frustration and fun that’d go out of watching the game and fan debate. ;

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 28, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

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