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5 Things Left To Wonder After Cowboys 27-26 Loss To Cardinals

I wonder, does Jason Witten feel this alone as the only player that can execute consistently?

The amount of disgust over this game that was supposed to be meaningless is immeasurable. There really is no valid excuse for how this game was lost; offense, defense and special teams were all largely responsible for coming up so small. The offense started the game off with two crucial mistakes that good teams don't make. A pick-six where Kitna threw well behind a slipping Miles Austin was immediately followed by a ball slightly behind Roy Williams who couldn't haul in a catchable ball. That was taken to the house by Arizona as well. Dallas crept back into the game, save for an unforgivable defensive (lack of) effort by Mike Jenkins on a 74-yard bomb to previously unknown Andre Roberts.   It all left us pondering, what kind of offseason will we be enduring? Here are the Top 5 things I'm left to wonder.

5) I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel about this, maybe you guys can weigh in. Down 21-10 in the 3rd quarter, during a 5-9 season where a lack of effort got their first coach canned, why were there so many shots of Cowboys yucking it up on the sidelines?

I really don't know which way to lean on this. On one hand, the team was able to come back from that deficit, so you can attribute that to staying loose. On the other hand, the team continues to make mental mistakes like... I don't know.. missing extra points, and the defense continues to fold on potential game-clinching drives.  Does the meaning lie nowhere, everywhere or somewhere in between?

Star-divide

4) What was Jerry Jones thinking with that pre-game interview on the NFL Network? This was on the heels of the now infamous 60 Minutes interview where he revealed that he thinks he made a deal with God for his third Lombardi and he would have to figure out a way to sell The Big Guy on a fourth trophy. Continue to the jump for some highlights.

(Q&A are not exact quotes, truncated for transcription ease)

Has Jason Garrett already showed you enough to merit removing the interim tag?

Jason has a lot of family members in the organization... he certainly has exceeded expectations.

What went wrong with the 2010 season?

We started thinking about here we go again, with the negative. I don't believe in halftime speeches. Unquestionably our defense in a couple games sucked the life out of us. My dream was Wade would deliver a SB caliber defense.

Hypothetically, take us through the impact of the Rooney Rule?

In order to make a coaching change, you have to go through the process of interviewing qualified candidates, unless someone has the ‘successor' clause in their contract. The Cowboys will unquestionably go through that process.

From what you've seen of Garrett, can you evaluate him?

We can see how smart he is... articulate... he has exceeded my expectations. He has the organizational ability. He has the football instincts... no doubt he has the skills to be an NFL head coach. The question would be when, the facts are he has only had 5 games as a head coach in his life (any level). We don't have time to have a bad time with the Dallas Cowboys. We need to hit the ground running, next year, this has been too much of a disappointment this year. So that's the thing that I'll be thinking about, is that experience factor.

Ummmm, what? Jason Garrett's lack of experience will be the determining factor? Jerry, you didn't know he had never been a head coach when you gave him $3 million a year to not go coach Baltimore?

What about organizationally, how do you evaluate yourself? A lot of people feel it's difficult for you to evaluate your organization because you and your family members are the ones making the decisions.

That's fair, I understand that critique. I knew George Steinbrenner, he never fired himself. He was more qualified than I am. If you spend most of your life, literally working for yourself, than the mirror is the thing you have to get straight. And you gotta do some changing, you gotta reevaluate and rethink. And we're at that particular time.

Is it possible that you'll hire someone else to shop for the groceries?

No, I'll shop the groceries, seriously, 'cause I got to eat em. And by the way, Bill (Parcells) and I shopped the groceries when we were there. I think the decision making process that we get to enjoy with the Cowboys, is a very positive thing. I would never dream it would be this long before we won another super bowl.

Jon Gruden? Any guys come to mind? Bill Cowher? Talk to anybody Jerry?

You know one thing that's interesting. I'm a big believer of a challenge. Doing something that's never been done before. You know, there's never been a head coach that won a SB with one team, that won it with another? Never. A Super Bowl.

Wait, your saying that the one piece of empirical evidence there is about rehiring Super Bowl winning coaches, and the only thing you take out of that damning stat is  a challenge to prove history wrong?

3) How exactly is our running back time share decided?

We've been talking all season how Marion Barber is supposedly done; Tashard Choice and Felix Jones should get all the snaps. MB should get released during the offseason. In Week 16, Barber's skill set seemed to be the most influential. His pass blocking was the best we've seen from the position in weeks (eye test only). Does Garrett have a framework going into the game? Does he believe in the hot-hand philosophy? I can't for the life of me decipher that decision process.

2) Has there been a greater enigma this season than Anthony Spencer? Here's the first defensive series of the game:

1st and 10- Arizona lines up with three in the backfield. Hightower gets first carry, starts left then comes back off right tackle, Spencer peels off his blocker with ease and swallows him up for a gain of only one yard

2nd and 9, Cards go four-wide, three to the left and run a screen pass to the inside slot receiver Roberts. Spencer, standing up on the line between Ratliff and Hatcher, diagnoses the play perfectly and pursues Roberts to the sideline and holds him to a gain of 5.

3rd and 4, pass to the right side through the hands of Jim Dray, Jenkins almost comes up with a pick, Spencer on the left not involved in the play.

Brilliant start, right? Precursor of a dominant game, right? Spencer finished the remaining 58 minutes with only three more tackles, multiple whiffs and more importantly, multiple misdiagnoses. I remember thinking, Spencer is going to have his 2010 breakout game. Now I wonder what the hell I was thinking.

1) Do other Cowboys fans think the same things as I do when watching the games?

I don't have too many real life friends that are fans of the Cowboys.  I don't get to converse at a high level during the games, as it's hard to take notes and participate in the game day threads at the same time. Here are some random musings from the game, I wonder if you all noticed them too?

  • Are Marc Columbo and Leonard Davis even trying anymore this season?
  • Do the referees get bonuses for ignoring obvious infractions by the Cowboys opposition? The Martellus Bennett facemask, the two non-PI calls where Austin was impeded after Zona missed that field goal... amongst many more this season.
  • Jason Witten scored on Garrett's favorite goal line play again. I've seen it at least 5 times now. Drag route by the TE to the front corner while the WR runs a fade to the back pylon. It's worked every single time so far.
  • Babrer gets extensive runs before Choice?

  • What was that by Mike Jenkins(on the Roberts TD)? Seriously, what in the world? Side note, what a horrible broadcasting team, they haven't mentioned once the pathetic coverage by Jenkins in five minutes of replays. They want to highlight the block by Beanie Wells.

  • DeMarcus Ware has a chance for a huge sack, but doesn't put a lick on John Skelton. With Skelton at 6'6, he just bounces off and heads upfield for a big gain. I love DeMarcus, but does he ever try to inflict pain?
  • Seriously? You're singing in the booth Matt Millen?

  • As David Beuhler lines up for the big kick, my girl asks, what's that on his lip? I tell her it's a fake light brown mustache, he's undercover as a 70's porn star. She dismisses it as a caterpillar. Huge kick by Beuhler, as he nails a 53-yarder . My girlfriends response, "I still don't trust a guy that looks like that" Rut roh...
  • Finally with the lead 26-24... What kind of defense is Pasqualoni calling- he doesn't realize that the Cardinals are running the ball? Wait, does Pasqualoni have a pulse?

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Is it possible that you’ll hire someone else to shop for the groceries?

No, I’ll shop the groceries

Yay!

by JimmyK on Dec 27, 2010 9:36 AM CST reply actions  

LOL

not today, Jimmy

FLOOD THE BLOCK RADIO, TUESDAY NITES 730p EST, WWW.ROCKTHEFLOW.COM

by KD Drummond on Dec 27, 2010 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha, sorry. I figured it was a 2-day window, and since the Cowboys lost on Saturday (and their season was already over anyway), I thought I was in the clear. I’ll self-ban myself until tomorrow.

by JimmyK on Dec 27, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Eagles week doesn't start until Wednesday

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by KD Drummond on Dec 27, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Un-ban. OK. Wednesday it is. Re-self-ban.

by JimmyK on Dec 27, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Un-ban. But if I see something written about the Eagles prior to Wednesday I reserve the right to comment on it. Re-self-ban.

by JimmyK on Dec 27, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, the request was for forever.

There is no reason for you to be here. Stay oh the Philthy board amongst those who may care what you have to say.

Geesh, so pathetic.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Lay off of Bye Dawk aka JimmyK

He is (a) a good guy and (b) a Cowboys fan in Eagles clothing

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by Seanrude on Dec 27, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Never.

Until he goes away forever.

I could care less if he’s a good guy. He’s a Philthy fan, that makes him a public enemy number one. I live in the NorthEast (which it appears you do as well), you know what it’s like up hear with the rest of the NFC East.
How can you be so accommodating?

Maybe I’m old school but I liked it better when there was real hate amongst rivals; players, coaches and fans.

We’re getting as soft as the Dallas defense.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Soft or Respectable?

Because it sounds to me that you are being exactly like you think all Philly fans are.

I digress, I can pick a Philly fan out in pretty much an instant, seeing as the first thing they do in every football convo is attack everything that isn’t their team, and sometimes they attack their own team as well…but JimmyK is a good guy

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Again, I could care less what kind of guy he is

This is a Dallas Cowboys board, for Dallas Cowboy fans. I come here to hear from those who also love the Cowboys. If I want anti-Cowboy, or the Philthy perspective there are plenty of places I can go to get that.

I just don’t expect it here.

And I certainly don’t expect Philthy fans to be welcomed and supported. Good gosh, is anything sacred anymore?

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

At first, I was regularly greeted unkindly, and rightfully so. But over time, I’ve been able to infiltrate your organization and win some of you over with my devious charm. You’re next Bayou (tickling you under your armpit as you giggle and try to squirm away).

by JimmyK on Dec 27, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

haha you cunning little bugger jimmy!!

i was going to defend you but you are a devious one ;)
lol,,

Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather have 30 of you on here...

than one of those duntaisapunks or d-jax guys.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

my kind of fan

its fans like you that that i want to here from, i bet you (like me) werent in week 10 wanting to throw the rest of the season away for draft picks. Our D will be back dont worry

by dcdriven on Dec 27, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not sure you know the history.

I’ve never really had a convo with the man myself, but i’ve seen him on this board many a times with insightful and unbiased for the most part ;) comments. He’s a good dude, even if he’s the only one lol

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

New Defensive cordinator.

At least that was on my Christmas list…

"Don't give up, don't ever give up."

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by Jeterian 2 on Dec 27, 2010 9:44 AM CST reply actions  

+1

Paul Pasqualoni succ as a DC. 4th and 15 and you give the quarterback all the time in the world. If Rex can beat our secondary with time, what makes you think John Skelton won’t? Mike Fake-in, is either garbage or he loves to eat grass

by LiLGiT on Dec 27, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Is Singletary a possibility?

He’s got Texas roots, he’s unemployed and hiring him may appease the NFL Rooney rule watchers if Jerry sticks with JG.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Why would you want him?

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

As a DC?

I wouldn’t mind him as a DC. As a HC…no way.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 27, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if I even want him as a DC.

I don’t think he calls the defensive plays. I think that he probably prepares the defense real well, but IMO he’ll go back to being a positions coach.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

Singletary is not an X and Os guy.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 27, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

Mike’s an inspirer, a motivator. Not X’s/O’s. He’ll take ‘em, understand ’em and play ’em, as a player or coach and inspire his team-mates. But he’s not a formulator.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd personally...

rather have Mike Nolan if that Miami thing gets blown up.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I would too

But, if he’s unavailable, I wouldn’t mind Singletary.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 27, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

If im not mistaken

Singletary was never even a co-ordinator. He was the LB’s coach in San Fran when got promoted. Was also the LB’s coach in Baltimore. Don’t get me wrong, he would be a great guy to have around but I don’t think I would want him as a dc. He is a proven motivator but thats about it.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

That's kind of how I feel.

I have serious doubts that Singletary will be hired as anything more than a positions coach.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Our defense could use a little motivating

Overpaid, underachieving, softies need to get their butts kicked. The demons created by years of Wade require a violent exorcism.

A hard-@ss is needed.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

That being said.

Dallas also needs a coordinator. If Singletary is hired as a LB coach I’m fine with that, but you have to have someone calling the X’s and O’s

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

They had a hard @ss

Bill Parcells. that didn’t turn out too well either. I’m not sure ANYONE cna reach this bunch of turkeys.

"I just wrote the check, it's up to you guys to cash it!" - Jimmy Johnson to defense after failed attempt on 4th down deep inside Cowboy territory. AND THEY DID!!!!

by John Boy on Dec 27, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

How did that not turn out well?

The man took a perennial 5-11 team and took them to 10-6 and a playoff appearance in his first season. Geesh. Man comes in and turns water into wine and you think that didn’t turn out too well?

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 27, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

let me fix that for you

Man comes in and turns water urine into wine

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by Seanrude on Dec 27, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks.

Far more accurate.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 27, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me fix that for you

Man comes in and turns water urine into wine whine.

Hardly a savior in my book.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

He didn't take us to a super bowl

But he laid the foundation for a respectable football team, which was something we hadn’t seen in years. The three years before him were the worst three years i’ve seen in Cowboys history (since i’ve been alive)

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, he did...

lay the foundation. Argued with my buddies off-line that’s just the case when they rag on him/Cowboys. Wasn’t saying otherwise.

Still a long ways from savior in my view.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

There is a difference between meeting expecatations and....

turning things around.

Bill should get credit for turning it around. However the expecatations were to win a super bowl with him at some point.

He did an admirable job. I have to give some respect to a guy who made the playoffs with Quincy Carter.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Ditto...

on the admiration, credit given and the rest, IF.

Just unable to annoint him “savior” (which I’m sure he’d understand).

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Forgot about him, good call

Hell, I’d take Sparano back too as OC. He called plays in Dallas before JG arrived in ’07.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I was thinking that, too.

I still think Miami should give him another year, but not our issue.

by illcowboy on Dec 27, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Is that how the rule works?

I thought the Token Rooney Rule meant you had to interview him for HC.

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 27, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Singletary has stated that he has never called plays before in his life

and that he is still new to evaluating talent. Position coach is all I trust him at

by somebodyquiet on Dec 27, 2010 4:41 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Ron Rivera in SD, as DC, I like Mike S, but Ron calls a 3-4 now, and i dont think we are switching back to a 4-3 anytime soon……with SD out of it, i think that they may blow up the coaching staff there as well.

He who laughs last, thinks slowest

by BigBad Joe on Dec 27, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

If they do...

snag Norv and RIvera (possibly), call OC/DC filled. But for cripes sake, leave the call on that in whatever HC’s hands.

Can’t see the Bolts doing it, blowing it all up (given their injury situation this year plus O/D performance), but they’ve sometimes surprised me.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:01 PM CST up reply actions  

My buddy in SD says

they’d be surprised if the Bolts blow it up. Lots of injuries (Mathews, Gates, Floyd, Crayton etc) and hold outs (McNeil & VJ) killed them. Not necessarily Nov and Ron.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Thank you for...

a more localized perspective backing up my point.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't even know what to say about that Jenkins non-play. I WAS watching the game

with another Cowboys fan during which we discussed different aspects of the game as they happened, and he and I were both speechless over that one. Me: “What the hell was that?” Him: “I don’t know.” I keep saying that Jenkins should be kept around and coached up, but, at this point, I’m not so sure.

Ditto Spencer. The guy just looks clueless out there; he can’t stop the run, and he can’t get to the QB. Why are the Cowboys paying him?

Colombo and Davis? Again, I have no answer, but that may have been the worst performance I’ve ever seen by Colombo, and that includes the debacle at Minnesota last season. Any QB to Witten is money, but it’s irrelevant if we have to have two tight ends in to block every play to keep said QBs from getting killed. Thank you, JJ, for assuming that you’d have Romo in all season making those bozos look better than they are. Now you’re down to a virtual rookie facing the Eagles next week.

Bueller just depresses me. Right when I think he’s finally got it, he proves me wrong. Misses an extra point and then kicks it short on the ensuing kick off. No words. At least he had the good sense to look devastated over what he wrought.

JG has his work cut out for him. I maintain that this team doesn’t need to be blown up, but Mr. “I Won’t Fire Myself” needs to bring a far more critical eye than he has up to now deciding who stays and who goes. Who goes may have to include a couple of wasted first rounders on D, and it definitely includes half of the O line.

by Fernie67 on Dec 27, 2010 10:06 AM CST reply actions  

I just watched the Jenkins play again

Incomprehensible. Pass interference and still gave up the bomb. The guy has no heart at all. He has pro-bowl talent, but I wouldn’t be upset if we let him go after this season in favor of McCann. At least he seems to care.

Colombo is a warrior, but his body has simply given up on him. Davis… I don’t know if he doesn’t care or he just can’t move anymore, but I’ve never seen a 350 pounder get thrown around.

Bueller… dunno again. He nails a 53 yarder, then misses an extra point. But you’re right, at least he looked upset by his epic failure.

WHAT WAS GARRETT THINKING NOT GOING FOR 2???

Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.

by Lord Humungus on Dec 27, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

how do you get a PI flag

on one of the dumbest plays ever?

I had no problem with not going for 2 on the previous touchdown. It seemed to early, but I know there are two schools of thought on that one.

by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 27, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It's called playing the probabilities

re: your Garrett thinking question.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

"Bueller just depresses me. Right when I think he’s finally got it, he proves me wrong"

lol. This could describe half of our teams problems this year. Spencer,Jenkins, Miles, Roy… Between the 4, you have the reason for a severe defensive dropoff and like 10+ turnovers on offense.

by foyesboys on Dec 27, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Perhaps Phillips' scheme was covering up a lack of talent

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 27, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

At least he had the good sense to look devastated over what he wrought.

Buehler was the only one who looked pissed that they had lost

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by Seanrude on Dec 27, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Crazy Jerry-speak

always confuses me. I wonder, is he so smart that he intentionally speaks in circles to avoid answering tough questions or is he simply senile.

Or he may be just drunk . . . .

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 10:11 AM CST reply actions  

I'm going with senile.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I Don't Wish Ill on Anyone Not Named Osama Bin Laden and Justin Beiber...

But the day Jerry is no more, the Cowboys fan in me will rejoice.

Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.

by Lord Humungus on Dec 27, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Inebriated.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Scary...

to think Jerry can buck history and hire a SuperBowl winning coach just to tempt fate. He’s tempted fate the last few years by not drafting to find starters and allowing his team to get old in the wrong places. New England got it when they realized you win with youth in today’s NFL, not age. While experience comes with age, if youth can run around you, knowing that they will run around you isn’t the experience you are wanting.

Is it possible the NFL has passed Jerry by? Or has he ever gotten it right. Even in the early 90’s, they missed on some of their draft picks. They weren’t perfect back then either. Now, he thinks he can hit on a draft pick whenever he wants and we can all see that’s not the case.

I weep for Tony’s health next year if we don’t fix a lot of problems. I weep for the organization if Jerry doesn’t understand that keeping aging veterans at spots that scream for youth is a bad idea.

But hey, look at the potential blunder of all time: He let’s Jason Garrett go to another team while he hires a former SuperBowl head coach who quits in three years with the team in worse shape than it is now and Jason Garrett celebrates his first SuperBowl with (insert team here).

by calmyron on Dec 27, 2010 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I'm going with drunk . . .

“Romo was a miracle”

Drunk with bimbo in Vegas the week he fired Wade.

Yep, drunk.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure how much Jerry had to do with finding Romo

I think that was more Sean Payton than anyone.

Jerry made the “Romo was a miracle” quote while in one of his drunken stoopers. Some dudes caught it on video. Very funny.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, distinctly remember it was Payton

Romo was breaking most of his records at East Illinois

When in doubt, empty your magazine

by MudMarine on Dec 27, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup, so goes the tale.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny?

Saddening. Discouraging. Disheartening. Depressing. Deplorable. Woeful.

That’s it. It left me melancholy. As in “Woe is us”.

Ahhh, funny. As in gallows humor. All the way to the noose.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I hear you, it is sad

My defense mechanism is to set my expectations so low for Jerry and his cartoon-character persona, that I laugh in order not to cry at his craziness.

by Bayou Cowboy on Dec 27, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think we're all in that state right now

Make fun & joke or just go to a corner and curl up in a fetal ball

When in doubt, empty your magazine

by MudMarine on Dec 27, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Bayou, I knew the way you were meaning "funny"

Had the same reaction seeing it. Head-shaking slight chuckle at the idiocy of it all.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Last i checked NE is a veterans haven

"On a journey to anywhere you can draw your own map."

by saidseven on Dec 27, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

They used to be........

not any more. They are one of the youngest teams in the league. Bill has done the unthinkable. He took the Patriots from trash to a dynasty and now he has managed to rebuild the team without ever having to blow it up. And to think they have 2 picks in each of the 1st 4 rounds of the draft. He just knows how to do it.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree...

But then, Kraft stays in the owner’s box. JJ doesn’t. The rot starts & ends with JJ.

We call these guys professional, but they’re kids for the most part. And dad’s a hype junky. He sells it and he drinks it. That’s got to wear off on all but the strongest ‘kids’.

When in doubt, empty your magazine

by MudMarine on Dec 27, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

they traded one 4th rd pick back for Branch

only Patriots can trade a player for a 1st rd pick to another team then get him back for a 4th a few years later. i mean Branch was a nobody with the Seahawks & an instant upgrade over Moss which they scored a 3rd rd pick from the Vikings lol.
 look back at the organizations that won a super bowl in the last decade & you can clearly see none of them have the structure or culture like the Circus at Valley Ranch.
 the clocks ticking on Jerrys chance to prove he can get this franchise back to a super bowl (i would guess 2 years before the fans finally wake up) or its going to be a huge rebuilding process. Romo, Ware, Witten, Ratliff & others have peaked or started to decline so its not going to get any easier.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Those guys haven't peaked

They are actually in the prime of their careers, so Jerry can still do this, he just needs to make the right decision and hire Garrett as HC, everything else will take of itself.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 27, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

i disagree

maybe they’re saving it in a bottle for 2011 when Jerrys big plan comes together with JG as HC

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

"Take care of itself"...

with just hiring Garrett as HC? Respectfully disagree, Terry. As part of the solution, perhaps Garrett as HC fits in, but it’s definitely not the be-all-and-end-all of what’s required to solve the fundamental challenges facing this organization. With this franchise and team I love unto death.

There’re a lot of pieces that fit into this solution puzzle and no one of them, by itself, will let “everything else will take of itself”.

No offense. You’re just plain wrong.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he means

Atleast i’m hoping he means, If he hire’s Jason as the HC and let’s Jason do his thing..then it will take care of itself, because then Jason will have taken care of it.

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

yep, thats exactly what I meant

He will lead our ship out of this storm.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 27, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny you used the term...

“Perfect Storm”. Was the initial title of a post I did. In the telling, it became Devil’s Storm, then something a bit more refined, given the storm has as much to do with internal turmoil and questioning (which I hope Jerry’s confronted with now and this off-season) as the storm of circumstances needed to bring about the changes we’d like to see Cowboys-related.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

only problem is,

i see jerry as king canute,trying to hold back the sea until it engulfs us all.

Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

The sea always wins in the end...

and I’d rather the Cowboys didn’t drown. SO the quandry’s in getting Canute to quit fighting the sea and become one with it.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 5:41 PM CST up reply actions  

He'd could be one of the main leaders required

See reply to markdamack. I understood your context, just enlarged on it to scope the whole challenge.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

hmmmm

And so it was written…

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I understood that...

yet even with giving Garrett full HC responsibility/authority and going completely hands-off, there’re more than cocaching challenges to contend with.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

And NE is +27 in turnovers

Just let that sink in for a second….27…

You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more

by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

the NFL passed Jerry when the salary cap started

picking Aikman with the 1st overall pick was a no brainer & then Emmitt falling down the draft board made it impossible to miss on that pick. Jimmy Johnson knew the talented players in college from his time at the U but it was Jerrys ability to buy the best players in the game that took this team over the top. i enjoyed the 90s success like all Dallas fans but it wasn’t nothing compared to the 70s Americas Team.
 this situation at Valley Ranch is bigger then the belt bukcles people wear in Texas & i just can’t see how a failing GM paired up with a 1st time head coach will be the answer to the problems.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Jerrys ability to buy the best players in the game took them over the top?

And exactly what best players did Jerry buy that took them over the top? Deion came in on the tail end of the dynasty. Outside of Deion, exactly what “best player” has Jerry ever bought. As a matter of fact, they didn’t spend big on another free agent until LaRoi Glover. And he was pretty damn good. The rest of the team sucked but he was good. Then not again until they signed Marco Rivera and Anthony Henry. And that was with Parcells. How did those guys turn out? So i guess we will blame that on Parcells because Jerry had nothing to do with signing those guys or drafting anybody when Parcells was around. Besides that, the only big free agent deal i can think of was Leonard Davis. He was fantastic for a couple of years. Now………not so much.

My point is, not that i really have one, but Jerry has never been a big spender in free agency. If you look at all the big money he has given out it has been to guys that have come up through the organization. Romo, Austin, Ware, on and on. Now were all of those good decisions? Nope.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

charles haley?.

Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Charles Haley, true

However, I think that worked out great for us.

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by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

sure did,

helped the young guy’s on our D.

Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

he was'nt a free agent signing true,

seifert had a fall out with him and traded him to dallas.

Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

by fall out do you mean.........

Haley slinging his package around the meeting room?

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You cant mention charles

without talking about his passion for showing off his junk

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions  

At least not now.

   ;

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

so Jerry was in the hole when cap started bc he spent wisely

players like Haley, Ken Norton Jr, Deion put this team over the top. they were game changers that came with a huge price tag.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

we let ken norton jr go,

he signed with the 49ers after our back to back superbowls.
we had drafted him originally.

Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

oh yeah forgot about that 88 draft

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

umm go read Jerrys post on DMN

Jerry was very much involved in buying the groceries when Parcells was here, which is one of the biggest problems.
 Jerry was known for signing over aged vets for years & it wasn’t until recently he slowed down on spending in FA. which now were going to have to do again bc this team is to old at so many positions that its beyond the draft.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

for all the talk of Jerry as a big spender

he is very cheap in many ways. Of course, throwing cash at people like Austin and Williams forces some of that cheapness

by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 27, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

you are correct, I guess I was thinking of signing guys like Sharper at FS,

rather than trotting out Alan Ball. In an uncapped year, I would have thought moves like Sharper to a 1 year, incentive laden deal, would have been the norm. I guess I expect too much sometimes.
You are absolutely spot-on with your comment however.

by RE1D on Dec 27, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

he did'nt spend big money on FA signings ,

because we had young talent to fill the gaps.
look where that’s got us!!,this is the same guy in charge of the HC decision and the draft.
oh well :(

Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

we were able to sign exactly one player to a big contract....

since we finished in the last 8. looking art that FA, there aren’t too many guys I think would be a wise investment. Antrelle Rolle maybe (I don’t like him, but some do).

by foyesboys on Dec 27, 2010 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Dallas known for the place to come when your time was up & your name still sold jerseys

we’ve signed a lot of worthless players that weren’t from the farm & over paid for most of them when we did it.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Known for it?

Not hardly. That would be Washington not Dallas. I honestly can’t think of any over the hill big names that came here. Over paid or not. Eddie George? Say what you want about T.O. but he was well worth the price the first couple of years.

I take that back, Marco Rivera was over paid and over the hill. That doesn’t make Dallas Known for anything. But again, that was “all Parcells”.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with this:
i just can’t see how a failing GM paired up with a 1st time head coach will be the answer to the problems.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 27, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

What I'd add to question #1...

After their fine efforts in the Redskin game, WHERE were Butler and BWilliams??

I watched the game twice, and neither of them got many, if any at all, defensive reps.

Maybe I missed this. Not like Spencer is playing very well. I have a hard time buying into JG’s “accountability” line when guys like Spencer keep their jobs.

by fivetwos on Dec 27, 2010 10:27 AM CST reply actions  

I also think Gronkowski is way too inconsistent on blocking

He doesn’t seem very good at making the blocks they are asking him to make leading on running plays, and he is going to get someone else hurt on pass protection is he doesn’t improve big time.

Of course, the guy is a URFA, so it is what it is. I think a 5th round FB needs to be on the draft list.

by fivetwos on Dec 27, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd give Gronk another camp and pre-season

If he doesn’t improve, by all means, cut him. I wouldn’t spend a draft pick on a FB though unless John Phillips doesn’t look like he’s recovering well from the knee surgery.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 27, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

If John Phillips doesn't get hurt.

Gronk probably doesn’t even make the team.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably not.

But who knows what next off season holds.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 27, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

i think Gronk turns out to be a keeper

Gronk had to learn on the fly bc he wasn’t getting many reps until Phillips went down near the end of the preseason. it could also take Phillips a couple years to fully recover from the knee injury.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Phillips went out the very 1st preseason game

Gronk then had another month of training camp and 4 more preseason games.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

not sold on gronk..

Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw Brandon Williams make a couple plays.

He helped blow up a screen pass. He didn’t have any tackles, but he did create a little havoc on a couple occasions.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 27, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Not critizing their play, I was hoping to see more of them

Especially Butler, who has shown some things when given playing time.

by fivetwos on Dec 27, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't take it as you were.

I was just trying to jog your memory with some of mine.

Butler has improved quite a bit this season. Last season he was all pass rush and no coverage or run defense. This season he’s showing up more in coverage. I’d love to see him take that next step towards being a complete LB in our system.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 27, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

saw jerry on NFLN ,

the man is a “snake oil salesman” of the highest caliber.
has the uncanny ability to speak out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.
i really fear that things will get worse under his continued ownership.
i was sold on coach Garrett getting the HC job on a permanent basis but after watching the inconsistent play from this team im no longer so sure.
whoever ends up as the Coach in 2011 he must gut this team,too many players going through the motions and not playing up to their contracts.

Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 10:37 AM CST reply actions  

Regretably, I agree, Davie

The dominant trait of this 2010 version is its consistent inconsistency.

Even after the missed extra point, which left us vulnerable, I was saying, “Ok, we have to stop them from getting to our 35.” Then on 4th and 15 I was thinking, “Ok, give them the short one and make sure to wrap them up.”

Then they complete a 26 yard pass. In apparently Brooking’s zone. Turn out the lights, the party’s over.

I’m afraid to watch the last game, in Philly with our 3rd string QB starting his first game. Don’t think my blood pressure can take it.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Dec 27, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

For everyone wanting Choice to get more snaps

Tune in this week – he’s our 4th QB, right?

The Texas Rangers have been synonymous with explosive firepower ever since they emptied 130 rounds into Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow in 1934. - Alyssa Milano

by bking on Dec 27, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

thats the first time i've laughed all day!

wait………thats sad. By the way, we signed some guy named Greisan to back up McGee. Played area league and in the UFL for the Florida Tuskers. This should be awesome.

Maybe the Eagles will be over confident. They will only have 2 days of practice for gods sake.

Maybe we can line up in the wildcat the entire game.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

look what the Cardinals did with a 4th string rookie QB

atleast McGee has 2 years of experience in this system.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

what did they do??

Beat a team with a horrid defense by getting 2 gift TDs…not impressive

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Dec 27, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

its not like the Cardinals were moving up and down the field. The scored 13 points.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

i was replying to person who was afraid to watch the game with Mcgee in it

i just said look at what the Cardinals acomplished with a less talented QB so anythings possible.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

I was talking to some of the cards fans in the lot after the game. I tried to dampen their excitement over Skelton—told them he should have had a 300 yard game against the dallas D, especially since he got 70 plus yards on one pass.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 27, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Skelton did look ok to me...

kinda similar to McGee. They both struggled the majority of the time, but made clutch plays when they mattered. Neither made game changing mistakes.

But there is little reason to be excited about Skelton. Especially since I think the chances are good AZ brings in a qb in the draft.

by foyesboys on Dec 27, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Look at it this way...

the burst aneurysm may be preferred if we continue down the course of the past many years and don’t learn from history.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

it’s worse then people really want to admitt but you can’t hide behind big stadiums or the highest payroll without winning for very long in the NFL. the sad part is it’s not that hard to make the 5th ot 6th seed in the playoffs. people talk about parity in the NFL but its not, they changed up the schedule this season to make it seem more intresting & it worked. in the end we all knew who the top teams in NFL were that had a legit chance to win the super bowl, unless you really call the Cheifs or Bears making the playoffs parity.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Ware

I love the guy, he is our best player, but he needs a cup or two of nasty. He seems to lack an x-factor that guys like Polamalu have – in big games, they make decisive plays.

by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 27, 2010 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

Hmmm

I still remember the strip sack on Drew Brees a week after sustaining a scary neck injury. That’s pretty nasty and decisive. But hey, that’s just my opinion.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Dec 27, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

that was last season

and I remember it well, and it certainly stands out.

by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 27, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

i think he means that our most dominate player disappears in big games

having 1 great play last season only goes so far before you need to make another one.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

it's not that he disappears

I just think a guy with his talents has to be more of a dominant player/iompact player. He meets expectations, but certain players like LT/Deion/Reed/Lewis/Polamalu seem to come up big on the biggest stages.

I’m not saying #94 sucks, but his skills seem greater than his impact.

by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 27, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought he had that with the big sack

that put them into a 3rd and long. But apparently no one decided to cover that guy named Larry Fitzgerald afterwards… Dallas’s D is so dumb.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Touche

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Dec 27, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

+94

I don’t put any blame at all on Ware, he’s tied for second in the league in sacks right? He appears to be doing his job, if no one else is.

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by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

he is meeting expectations

but not exceeding them. It’s not that he is a problem, but I just don’t see him creating much havoc.

There are no doubt bigger problems, this is more of a niggling observation. However, sometimes those niggling issues are more fun to discuss than the secondary, O line and Jerry which will drive a man to drink.

by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 27, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you somewhat.

But he truly has NO help. James Harrison has Polamalu. Ray Lewis has Ed Reed. A second guy that has to be accounted for in big play situations rather than only one guy that has to be neutralized.

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 27, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Rat has had a quiet year

which doesn’t help. Spencer has regressed.

I haven’t seen a decent safety blitz from Dallas in some time. I still have memories of #31/#38 and his his puffy white sleeves disappearing into the o-line, despite Dallas having numbers

by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 27, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

the last blitz i saw from Sensabaugh

he couldn’t bring the QB down from his blindside & no one in his way. it was pathetic & its probably the reason they cant send him.
 Rat is getting some age & playing NT in the 3-4 will wear you down quick, escpecially since he’s undersized. it doesn’t help that Spencer hasn’t been much help so team can just double Rat & Ware

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I worry about the wear and tear on Rat as well

massive NTs last forever, but he is a relatively small guy in a very grinding position.

In my darker moments, I worry that many of our talented players will soon be declining in production, and by the time we get the OL and secondary shored up it will be too late.

I saw that from Sensi. I think he had the white puffy sleeves on in tribute to RW.

by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 27, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Which is why...

either a shift and/or adjusting the line personnel to relieve the number of double-teams is essential. (re: Ratliff)

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully with the return of

Lissemore and a full preseason and weight training program for both he and Brent will allow Rat to move to DE next season.

by StrosSouth on Dec 27, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Harrison has Woodley also & Ray Lewis has Suggs also

we need a big time playmaker at Safety but we need real ILB more then anything. i think Lee is going to be a decent player if he can stay healthy but we need a dominate force oppisite of him.
 if you can’t control the LoS the rest of it doesn’t matter. if you cant run or stop the run then its not going to work unless you have P.Manning or T.Brady.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Ray also has Ngata

Who he pretty much accredits everything too, these days.

I love me some Rat, I believe he has been quiet this year simply because, he’s one of only two people you really have to block on any given play. Lord knows Spence and the Middle backers there aren’t creating any havoc. However, Rat may be better used as a DE and let big ol Josh Brent fill up the middle there, Brent is a beast and hopefully gets to shine next season in the middle as the starter, with Rat on the outside

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by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

sacks are the worst way to measure how OLB is doing his job

its a standard that doesn’t really tell the truth about how your season went. setting the edge in the running game is just important or dropping back in coverage & breaking up a pass/tackle, getting pressure on the QB & forcing him to make mistakes are all bigger then a few yard sack.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Bingo!

All of which makes Ware the premier OLB currently playing.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Seconded

Notwithstanding Skelton’s reticence to go Fitzgerald’s way through the course of the game, leaving him as an option then was not only killer but just plain stupid.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Woefully 100% agreed

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Garrett's lack of personnel changes have puzzled me

At first i wondered how someone who went to princeton, when finally able to put his stamp on the team, wouldn’t do the obvious things like bench spencer, jenkins, and barber, and put the younger Sam Young in for Colombo (not that young would be better but at least he would suck and be learning as suck and be getting worse).
Then it occurred to me, he has the same disease wade does, his stamp was already on this team. He didn’t make the changes because he likes spencer, jenkins and barber, colombo, and even bigg davis for that matter. He likes having these under performing players start, believing they will eventually come around. AFTER a 1-7 start, all he did was change the practice routine and that was positive. But if you don’t bench under performing unfocused players, you lose all of your credibility, and the penatlies and poor play will start up again.

My biggest problem with Garrett though, is that he is very weak talent evaluation wise. Felix is an okay player, but garrett preferred him over, chris johnson, ray rice etc. He prefers barber over T. Choice. He appears to have not pushed for a new offense line this of season, as he won’t even bench the under performing starters. He probably advised jerry to trade for Roy Williams. Do we really want a coach with a poor record in talent evaluation as out head coach. Maybe in a situation with a strong GM who can do the talent evaluatng for him is where he belongs. THIS team needs some one who is not afraid to sit players no matter how much they make or where they were drafted. This team is embarrassing because the players that play the best don’t start. Obvious examples: Jenkins over Scantrick, Barber over Choice, Roy over Dez. Many attribute this to Jerry meddling, well may be it’s not jerry (we better hope an pray it’s not). May be the truth is that Garrett sucks as a talent evaluator. The biggest starts on this team were drafted by Bill Parcells, not Wade, not Garrett. Romo, (would romo have ever started under garrett?) D. Ware, Ratliff, Witten all were from the Parcells era. Free and Austin were disturbing in that they ONLY started after other players were injured. Austin clearly out played R. Williams, but didn’t start and if Roy didn’t get hurt, he may never have got the chance. Free only started due to a colombo injury, what if colombo never got hurt? it’s disturbing that Garrett can’t identify the best players on his own team. I can’t see how you trust him to find player outside the team in the offseason.

Thus, we need a new coach, one preferably with good talen evaluation skills. (not a believer in cower unless he’s bringing Dick Lebeau with him).

by just4fun on Dec 27, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

80 % of that post.

Is speculation.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Only 80?

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5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions  

81.4

He rounded to the nearest 5%

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 27, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Good answer. ;)

Matches your av, to boot. Well done. ;)

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5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I trying to decide the 20% that isn't

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by dave33 on Dec 27, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Here we go again...........

Parcells drafted all of our good players but Jerry drafted all the bad ones. Romo signed here because of Sean Payton. Not Parcells. And because the qb depth chart wasn’t very impressive with the likes of Quincy Carter, Hutchinson, and Vinny.

And who is Garrett going to put in when he benches Columbo or Davis? Alex Barron? Sam Young? Montrae Holland? Phil Costa? I’ll give you Sam Young only because he is unproven. They did bench Davis (mid game mind you) for Holland. Then Holland proceeded to pull a fat muscle and was unavailable for the next few weeks.

By the way, Jeff Fisher himself wanted Felix Jones over Chris Johnson.

I hear your argument loud and clear. But why would you want to replace crappy players with even crappier players? Now, why guys like Butler and Williams don’t get a chance is beyond me. All i can say is these guys see things we don’t see through out the week.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Here we go again. Again.

The Offensive coordinator was responsible for our repeated bad drafts, therefore he doesn’t know how to evaluate talent.

This whole predicting the future thing is somewhat difficult. If it could be done, I doubt anyone would focus their efforts on football. Well, maybe with some bookies.

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by tdships on Dec 27, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Every game Dallas ever wins its because the other team plays bad, every play that the players make its because they are really great but coaches suck. etc. etc. etc.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

well right now its everything

entering a season with super bowl expectations & not even breaking .500 tells me nobody on this blog knows whats going on. in reality this is all speculation bc if you believe this team will rebound under the same regime then thats just crazy.
 the fact that this team has underachieved is just a symbol of the true structure, culture or whatever BS you want to call it.

the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

by DCNation73 on Dec 27, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Great...

so let’s just start from square one. Blow the whole thing up. Team, franchise, the works. Silliness.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying or implying you said or think that, DC.

Expectations are misguided opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. We all have them. You included. So I’m glad you said “nobody on this blog…”.

Me, I’ll stay away from the blame game and look for a realistic solution. And you’re right, the structure/culture of the organization’s a significant culprit in our woes.

That said, I believe it can rebound under the same regime. Given a significant revision in the operating methodology. I know it, if only because it’s possible, however improbable it might seem.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I forsee...

you’re right. ;)

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5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

First, it’s difficult to blame Garrett because we don’t know how much influence he has in picking the groceries. In the case of Josh McDaniels in Denver, it was easy to tell who was to blame. In Dallas, not so much. What we do know is that Jerry has the final say.
The same may be true for who starts on gameday. In an ideal world, that would be the head coaches decision, but this is Dallas. One thing we can be sure of is that Jerry is not going to be particularly keen on paying Colombo and Roy Williams millions of dollars to sit on the bench.

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by CheshireCat on Dec 27, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Whangdepootewanah

Look it up in The Devil’s Dictionary. It’s an Ojibwa word meaning “disaster, an unexpected afflitction that strikes hard.” Except that this affliction wasn’t altogether unexpected.

It all goes back to the 1994 Conference Championship at San Francisco. The referees refused to call pass interference against Deion Sanders on Michael Irvin multiple times, including in the end zone. They make that last call, and Dallas has possession at the 1, the Cowboys score, momentum, and the outcome would have been different. But the reality is that there was no way the NFL was going to allow Jerry Jones to win three Super Bowls in a row, especially not with the third having Barry Switzer coach the team. That’s why the changed the rule to award the trophy at the stadium, instead of a week later as it always had been previously.

So Jones goes out and signs Sanders to an exhorbitant contract to steal him away from the 49ers. Jerry and Stephen actually almost came to blows over that decision, because Stephen was concerned about the salary cap implications. Yeah, the Cowboys won the Super Bowl that faithful year, but not at a cost. Sanders’s contract caused 16 veterans, whom Jimmy Johnson had drafted and developed, to flee in free agency because Dallas couldn’t afford to pay them what they were worth. Thus, the inevitable decline began. The Cowboys won one playoff game in 1996, then fell to 6-10 the next year.

Jones failed to address the offensive line then, which resulted in Aikman getting beat up and forced into early retirement. He also failed to address the quarterback position afterwards. Along the way, a series of bad drafts, idiot trades, failed free agents, and poor coaching hires led to momumental collapse. The team did not win a single playoff game, or posted losing seasons, through four coaches—Gailey, Campo, Parcells, and Phillips, until finally managing to win one last year, only to be completely destroyed in the divisional round. That was followed by a sinkhole season to 5-10, soon to be 5-11.

As to Garrett, yeah, he does have several family members in the organization. His brother is the tight ends coach, although he hasn’t managed to do much with Martellus Bennett. Another brother is the director of pro scouting. I wonder what his influence was in recommending the Roy Williams trade, which has proven to be an utter failure. And Jason, well, let’s just say I remain unimpressed. His pass happy offensive scheme scores a lot of points, and ends up losing winnable games because he doesn’t know how to establish the running game.

This coaching staff, Garretts hired before Phillips, who brought in Stewart who was subsequently fired. Read, who was subsequently fired and replaced by DeCamillis. Campo, Houck, Sherman, Wilson, all were brought in by Jones. But look at who either left or were driven off over the last five years—Zimmer, Payton, Haley, Sparano—not to mention who wasn’t brought in. Jurazcek has been around for 20-odd years, but at some point you have to question the strength and conditioning program, since the players are constantly gassed by the fourth quarter.

Let’s talk about piss poor general management. As long as Jerry Jones is large and in charge, this team will never win another championship. I don’t care how “mad as hell” he gets.

Garrett is not the solution, but part of the problem. He’s never built a coaching staff, not that he will be allowed to under Jerry. He performs poor personnel evaluations, does not game plan strategically or play call effectively, much less make in-game adjustments or manage the clock well.

Jones’s problem is that he is too enamored of what he presumes to be talent, but he’s not a good evaluator of talent. (It’s not talent if it doesn’t perform.) He wants the head coach, regardless of who it is, to start the players he pays the most to. I mean, he brought in T.O. over the objections of Parcells. So do you really think Garrett has any choice to start Choice over Barber, Hurd over Williams, Young over Colombo, Scadrick over Jenkins, anybody over Ball?

Whangdepootewanah. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. Frankenstein is not the name of the monster. It’s the name of the mad scientist.

"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry

by The Soothsayer on Dec 27, 2010 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

+1

I believe you’ve nailed it! We have a Frankenstein – in the owner’s box

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by MudMarine on Dec 27, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

saw young frankenstein the other night,

at least that was funny unlike jerry’s version.

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by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL, yes it is

JJ’s Frankenstein is way more like Kenneth Branaugh’s (sp?) – everybody dies. Now if only our monster could kill the mad scientist… ;)

When in doubt, empty your magazine

by MudMarine on Dec 27, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Whangdepootewanah

I like that word. While I’m holding hope you’re not 100% accurate in your conclusions, you made a d@mn fine argument for them.

And I certainly hope the Doctor realizes he’s also a patient and gets a second opinion.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Dont underestimate JG...

He went to Jimmy J for advice about being a head coach couple of seasons ago when we was getting interviewed for HC jobs. I think JG is not afraid of calling up former SB winning HC for some sage advice about OC and DC positions.

by StrosSouth on Dec 27, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

No question in my mind about that.

Garrett’s a sharp cookie. He’ll use resources he has access to.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

So..........

is it Jerry’s fault or Garretts fault? I’m confused. Doesn’t matter either way. Right now, this team sucks. Last year, same players, same everything, this team was pretty darn good. This whole season is unexplainable.

Really good point on the coaches that we have let get away. But, Sparano is on the verge of getting fired, Zimmer is having a tough time with the bengals. But who doesn’t have a hard time with the bengals. I love me some Zimmer though. Keep him in mind for DC next year.

by TARHEEL PAUL on Dec 27, 2010 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

It's Jerry's fault.

Garrett wasn’t ready to be an offensive coordinator. Norv Turner told Jones that, which he wasn’t hired. Not that he would have been my preference, but he does know an offensive coordinator when he sees one.

Garrett’s first and best season as coordinator came when Sparano was assistant HC and OL coach; he advised Garrett on game planning and play calling. After Sparano left the following year, the offense has declined. He’s had his problems in Miami, but so did Johnson.

It was Payton who brought in Romo, not Parcells or Jones. There’s not telling how much Romo would have progressed if Payton had remained to mentor him. In fact, Payton tried to negotiate a trade for Romo when he got to New Orleans, was denied, settled on Brees, then won the Super Bowl. Go figure.

I’m impressed with the job Haley has done in Kansas City. Division title, playing strong, the Chiefs are going to be dangerous in the playoffs.

I love me some Zimmer too. He had a No. 1 4-3 defense in Dallas, when Parcells made the decision to switch to the 3-4. I believe that was a major mistake, because we did not then nor do now, even after multiple drafts, have the personnel to run and effective 3-4.

Imagine if Parcells had never made the switch and kept Zimmer. The defense would have remained top notch, and with Payton as offensive coordinator, Parcells might have won a playoff game, something he’s never done without Belichick.

But the salient point remains that Jones’s failure to address the offensive line and quarterback position has been the ultimate source of the team’s decline. Along with everything else I mentioned above.

Garrett’s in a difficult place. He’s not ready to be a head coach, because he doesn’t have the experience. Jones said as much.

I believe the reason Jerry promoted Jason was to give him the opportunity to audition for a position on another team. I don’t think he can be successful here, because Jerry won’t allow him to, even though he wants him to.

Jones wants to make a big splash so he can better market the team next year. But more than likely he’ll make a ripple in a puddle on a sinking ship of which he is the captain.

"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry

by The Soothsayer on Dec 27, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

As big a problem...
so he can better market the team next year

as ego is short-sightedness.

Jerral, I just got 2 words for you. Legacy. Success.

It’s in your hands, as always.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

In your hands?

Geez! Just destroyed a nice day. JJ’s got worse hands than RW

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by MudMarine on Dec 27, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

See...

there’s even a silver lining to RW being out there on his worst day. ;

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Nope, hit me as soon as I read your comment.

Not my fault there’s something unintended in a smart-ass comeback. ;)

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Not that I dont believe you or anything

but how do you know Sean Payton tried to trade for Romo? Had that trade happened we would have been screwed

by Antonio S on Dec 27, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember reading about that, might have seen an interview with Payton where he said that

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by Seanrude on Dec 27, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep. I have the same memory.

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by dave33 on Dec 27, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Lol, If Jerry traded Romo, we'd be blaming that for our downfall

Damned if he does, damned if he doesnt

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by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

If you want to wear all those hats, then when there is a downfall, you rightly get blamed. If he wants to avoid that result, he can do one of two things: 1) put someone else in charge or 2) don’t have downfalls.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Dec 27, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

I’ve come to the conclusion that Jerry will always do things his way so I can only hope that he gets better.

Regardless of what people believe i do think he has gotten better. It might not be great, but he’s better.

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by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 7:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Widely reported and common knowledge at the time

Payton offered a 3rd round pick for Romo. Jerry refused. Leaving Payton to recruit Brees.

Some other Cowboys followed Payton to NO. Shanle, Ayodele, Fujita.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I have to disagree on your points on Jason Garrett.

Since he’s been here, and even this year…we’ve been a top offensive team. Even this season, with a rag-tag offensive line and a backup qb at the helm, we are still Number 7 offensively in YPG, Number 6 in PPG, The 4th passing offense, but a low 18th in rushing. (all according to NFL.com stats)

I don’t think you can ever discredit what he has done here offensively. Since he’s been here these have consistantly been the best offensive Cowboys we’ve seen since the early 90’s. Where as Payton may be to credit for getting him here, I would bet my house on the fact that, if you asked Tony Romo how he’d progressed into having his best season as a pro last year, as far as TD/INT ratio goes, he’d tell you Jason Garrett.

I mentioned it before, we never really had too many opportunites to upgrade the offensive line in the past 2-3 years. Before that Half the offensive line was in the pro-bowl. I don’t understand how you can say a coach who took an abysmal 1-7 team, to the improvement they are now and have lost by a total of a touchdown, two of the games to top teams in Philly and New Orleans, is not ready to be a coach, much less an offensive coordinator.

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by markdamack on Dec 27, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

JG is gonna be a HC next year, whether that is for us or for someone else, remains to be seen. There are so many spots open next year and I really feel like he’s done enough to be given the reins of a franchise.

by somebodyquiet on Dec 27, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Zimmer as well.

The only problem with Zimmer is that he’s a 4-3 guy and that complicates the transition to a new defensive scheme in a lockout year where all or part of the offseason may be lost. Some of the players on defense look confused enough as it is.

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It's the most curious thing I ever saw in all my life!'

by CheshireCat on Dec 27, 2010 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

+1

Not the year to be swtiching scemes…….

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by BigBad Joe on Dec 27, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Endorsed by sane Cowboys fans everywhere...

or, at least, this one. Though, I’m in a rubber room.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

The last thing they should is go back to the 4-3

It would take 2 solid drafts to get back 4-3 again

by Antonio S on Dec 27, 2010 2:34 PM CST up reply actions  

are'nt we all in a rubber room?,

how hard is it to type whilst in a straight jacket!!! jeez…

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by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You'll get the hang of it after a few years...

Trust me on that. ;

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Gets easier

Mirrors help. Ask Jerry, he’s got plenty to spare. Just nix the smoke.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

You sure you didn't make up that Jerry interview to piss me off?

ugh. Well…after the loss to AZ, I’m beginning to think its unlikely Garrett gets the job. And honestly, the only big name I consider acceptable is Cowher. If Gruden comes in, its possible we see a 1 year, wade phillips like bump, but I think this team will be screwed long term. The only other coach to win a superbowl is Dungy, and I see no way his personality will mesh with this teams. I think we need a young, tough coach in the harbaugh/tomlin mold. But most of all, we need a GM….this team has a bunch of holes that won’t fix themselves. If we don’t improve the OL pronto, the remainder of Romo’s career will be wasted.

Also, for all the people wondering why Garrett won’t make personnel moves, I think there is a good chance Jerry plays a role in that. I said when Garrett was made interim HC, that we will learn what Jerry’s plans are by how much leeway Garrett has in personnel moves – I find it hard to believe Jerry would allow him to bench 1st rounders like spencer and jenkins. When it comes to RT, however bad Columbo has been, do not assume it can only get better – lets not forget alex barron.

by foyesboys on Dec 27, 2010 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

I wish I did. I rewatched it this morning before posting to make sure I was still as mad

yep, I was.

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by KD Drummond on Dec 27, 2010 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Arghhh...

Gruden. Blood pressure spike. Deep breaths. Think calming, special-place thoughts. There, head explosion averted.

Is there any way to blank his name, whether it’s mentioned in support, opposition or only in passing?

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions  

ROFL!

If only Chuckie could coach like he can twist that face ;-)

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by MudMarine on Dec 27, 2010 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

If only Chuckie could coach. Period.

The pain’d be less, if nothing else. ;)

Still wouldn’t want him. Nix, nada, next.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

And there you have it - that'll be the big BSPN/DMN headline

Jones signs Gruden as new Dallas HC. OMG! He really might do it. It’s unexpected, it’s a challenge, yep, that’s it. We’re toast

Oh yeah, and since Chuckie is an offensive genius, JG is released and signs as HC with… (insert 2013 SB winner’s name) :(

When in doubt, empty your magazine

by MudMarine on Dec 27, 2010 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

It'll make the cult suicides...

look like a garden party. Cowboys fans dropping en masse.

Bring one helluva lot of smiles in Washington, Philly, NY,…

We must resist their shot at joy.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Man, I'm in a conundrum
If you spend most of your life, literally working for yourself, than the mirror is the thing you have to get straight. And you gotta do some changing, you gotta reevaluate and rethink. And we’re at that particular time.

Gives me hope the conditions of Jerry being in his own Mephistopeles’ tempest (devil storm) exist within him. (sorry to name drop)

Doing something that’s never been done before. You know, there’s never been a head coach that won a SB with one team, that won it with another? Never. A Super Bowl.
While this brings dread he’s still directionally challenged.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 1:04 PM CST reply actions  

Unless...
Doing something that’s never been done before. You know, there’s never been a head coach that won a SB with one team, that won it with another? Never. A Super Bowl.

Means Jerry’s thinking Payton and it’s more than mere rumor.

Now there’s a conundrum within one. My head hurts.

Being one who saw Payton’s departure as a huge no-no at the time, coupled with what he’s shown in NO, what kind of debate would that bring up in Cowboys country on the whole HC question? What it’d cost; would it be worth it; does it over-ride the conventional wisdom of the “no coach who’s ever won a SB with one team” point; who’s better, more proven, Payton or Garrett; that and a slew more.

Man. Is it an indication?

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Nix it

Payton’s contract runs through 2012 at about $3-4.5 mil/yr. Getting out would make Chuckie’s Raiders/Bucs deal look like the minor leagues (or less). Even Jerry’s not that looney-tunes.

Besides, Payton’s in one of the sweetest situations for an HC right where he is. Only thing that might sway a guy is cash and he doesn’t impress me as one to be bought (at least, not cheaply). Prohibitive idea in so many ways.

Back to dreading what Jerry’s comment means. The one acceptable alternative it might have suggested just isn’t realistic.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 28, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I love DeMarcus, but does he ever try to inflict pain?

i agree with this, i would love some killer instinct on him but he’s just too nice, he wouldn’t try to hurt a professional mate, still i would not change him for other linebacker, DWare is the best

by ratware on Dec 27, 2010 1:12 PM CST reply actions  

He's too smart.

He knows better than to negate his play with a personal foul. Unfortunately, that results in some misses.

by Baked Potato Soup on Dec 27, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take the miss...

rather than the penalty or injury.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

was almost a perfect christmas..

Recieved a miles austin jersey and tickets to the game.

Austin scored and i was cheering with all the cowboys fans. (there were more of us then cardinals fans)

a few minutes later i was left speechless in the stands. And also wondering
what the hell was brooking doing on the field of 4th and 15??

by howboutdemcowboyz on Dec 27, 2010 1:25 PM CST reply actions  

Play of the year

Jenkins take a PI while having a brain cramp, and despite said PI manages to leave rookie WR open by 15 yards.

Alan Ball then applies his geometry skills to take a brutal angle and appears to get beat by same rookie WR twice, while never coming within 10 feet of him.

I thought there is no way a guy can be that historically wide open and the flag be against Dallas.

by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 27, 2010 1:29 PM CST reply actions  

+1,000,000,000

When that play happened, i didn’t even wait for the tv replay, I hit rewind on the directv because I knew it HAD to have been offensive interference to get that wide open.

It was the most unbelievably bad (non)attempt at a PI I’ve ever seen.

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by KD Drummond on Dec 27, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Cramp or Crap?

Note to to-be employer of Ball: Remedial Geometry 101 required.

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5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly my first thought.

I was like “nope, it’s got to be offensive PI.” Then of course I was treated to a clip of Jenkins basically just trying to push down a receiver as he went to the turf.

Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels

by Creasy729 on Dec 27, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Improvement?

Do you really think that in one week changing meeting time, mandating pads in practice and instituting a dress code changed this team around? Please.

Yeah, Garrett got his first win against New York. Do you think that was because the players were suddenly motivated to win for him? That they were fearful for their own jobs after seeing the head coach fired, because they didn’t show up the first two games, then quit for five after beating lowly Houston? Maybe it was because they knew they had totally embarrassed themselves. Or was it because the Giants underestimated the Cowboys, who had been totally destroyed by Green Bay the week before, and thus were ripe for a loss.

Then Dallas beat Detroit, not small feat that. Lost to New Orleans, and beat a woefully injured Indianapolis team. The Cowboys played the Eagles hard and lost, then allowed the Redskins to take them to the wire, with Rex Grossman starting his first game in years. Only to then crater against the Cardinals, starting a rookie third-string quarterback from some unknown college who had never thrown a touchdown in the NFL before. But he threw a beauty against Dallas.

The Arizona Cardinals, they had just lost to Carolina the week before. Perhaps the Cowboys underestimated them, just like the Giants underestimated the Cowboys six weeks before.

Still, that does not explain why all of the problems that haunted Dallas in the first half of the season reappeared. Where was the preparation? Where was the discipline? Where was the execution? Slips, drops, tipped passed, interceptions, missed blocks, whiffed tackles, sacks, blown coverages, mental mistakes, penalties, errors, inconsistent kicks, name it. Game planning, play calling, clock management were as questionable as they have been all year.

Suddenly that 4-3 record doesn’t really seem to be as good as it appears. How could it? Garrett had just as much a hand in the prior 1-7 record as Phillips did.

Question. Why do you think Dallas rushed for 183 yards, because Garrett miraculously discovered how to establish a running game? No, it was because when McGee came in to start the second half, Garrett called more running plays to protect him.

Second Question. Why, if in the first half, when the offensive line was getting manhandled and Kitna was getting beat up, didn’t Garrett call more running plays to protect him? Oh, yeah, that’s right, failure to make in-game adjustments. Well, now Kitna is injured, like Romo before him.

On the Cowboys’ first two series, Garrett called short out routes to the sidelines. Those are the most commonly intercepted routes in the NFL. Yeah, Austin slipped and Williams took his eyes off the ball, doesn’t matter. They shouldn’t have been running those routes to begin with, not at that time and not in that situation. Both were returned for touchdowns, and suddenly Dallas was down 14-0 in the first seven minutes. That’s the game right there. I’d call that bad game planning and poor play calling. They should have been running the ball.

Oh, yeah, that’s right, I forgot. Garret doesn’t know how to formulate a running game to set up the pass, only a passing game to set up the run. But then I guess they don’t teach FOOTball at Princeton.

I get it now. You’re a Garrett fan. I’m a Cowboys fan. I want what’s best for the team, and I haven’t seen anything to suggest he’s it.

"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry

by The Soothsayer on Dec 27, 2010 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

Your first question suggest Garrett made in-game adjustments.

Your second question suggest Garrett can’t make in-game adjustments.

Furthermore, I love your criticism of short out routes. I especially love it because neither route that got picked off was a “short out route.” The first was a curl route to Miles Austin and the second was a slant to Roy Williams. Perhaps you should watch the game.

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by Creasy729 on Dec 27, 2010 4:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

It was a curl but only for 5 or 7 yards, thus it was a short route. Regardless, those are the most commonly intercepted passes in the NFL, and both were returned for touchdowns, leaving the Cowboys in a hole they couldn’t climb out of.

Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. —Whitman

Actually, what I said was that Garrett only made adjustments after the starting quarterback was injured, but not before. If he had made adjustments, would Kitna still be healthy? Same question applies to Romo.

You can blame it on the offensive line, you can blame it on the quarterback. I blame it on the offensive coordinator who has yet to demonstrate he knows how to establish the running game. If he knew enought to call running plays to protect his 3rd-string quarterback, why then didn’t he know enough to call running plays to protect his 1st and 2nd? Just asking.

Besides, if Garrett had implemented a running game in training camp, sometime over the last three years, the line, the running backs and the quarterbacks would have been better able to execute it. But he didn’t, so they don’t.

Anyone who implies that someone who criticizes Garrett is less of a Cowboys fan is equally insulting. I’ve been following the Dallas Cowboys since I was a baby in 1961. I’ve seen it all, and I still follow them. So don’t question my loyalty.

Further, let’s imagine a nightmare scenario. Suppose Jerry holds off on hiring an experienced coach, and letting him build his own staff, because of a labor lockout that wipes out training camp, the pre-season and part of the regular season. He’s certainly not going to buy out Garrett’s contract and hire a new coach for several more million just to sit around and do nothing. He won’t be able to build a staff, run practices, evaluate players, put his system in place, so whoever he is he won’t have much of a chance to start or finish the season well. Thus, Jerry will retain Garrett.

Question. What makes you think that in that situation Garrett, who has never built a staff, run a practice, evaluated players, or put a system in place, would have a snowflake’s chance in hell of being successful? Just asking.

I simply believe that it’s called football for a reason. The same reason why it’s not called armball. There is a big difference between running the ball and establishing the run. You have got to make defenses respect your ability to run the ball. That’s what keeps defenses honest, that’s what sets up the play action pass and the play action fake. That’s what sets up the pass.

Question. If the NFL is such a quarterback-centric, passing league, then why are the most successful teams today running the ball more? Just asking.

Pass happy offenses are a flash in the pan. The look good, may be more exciting, but seldom win championships. Teams with a strong running game and a powerful defense win much more often than not. Neither of which we have at the time, by the way.

I just don’t think Garrett is the right man for the job to turn this team around, mainly because he was hand-picked by Jerry Jones, but also because I haven’t seen any evidence over the last seasons to suggest that he is. Plus, I have a genetic dislike for Ivy Leaguers. I went to UT, Tom Landry’s alma mater.

"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry

by The Soothsayer on Dec 27, 2010 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

So much of this is speculation.

Regardless, you are welcome to your opinion. And never would I say that makes you a bad fan. It just makes you a fan I don’t agree with.

Here is the way I see it. People like you, no offense, but you expect too much.

First off, you criticize Garrett for calling short routes, while completely ignoring the fact that offense like the current Patriots team and the old 49ers teams won championships doing that and relying on YAC. What you are doing there is called nitpicking and it just comes off as uninformed and ignorant of the fact that you can’t simply eliminate one aspect of offense because you speculate that it has the highest incidence of being intercepted (I would love to see that proven by you). That is a completely unreasonable criticism not only because of how retroactively it is applied, but because it presupposes that other better coordinators don’t call the same routes. The fact is that ever decent NFL coordinator calls those same routes.

Regardless, let’s move back to the big picture. You talk about how you haven’t seen much to suggest that Garrett is the man for the job. I ask you this, do you think the talent on this team is top notch? I don’t. Maybe you disagree, but the fact that he can get coordinate offenses that are consistently in the top ten of the league with a poor offensive line that struggles to pass block and get short yardage is impressive in of itself and can’t simply be dismissed because you have something against him personally.

As for your talk about the running game, let’s just leave it at the fact that I suggest you research how running the ball correlates to winning. You certainly seem smart (quoting Whitman is pretty high-level) so I think you would be open minded to the fact that maybe, just maybe, running isn’t what it would seem to be as it relates to winning. I suggest you start by reading this article.

Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels

by Creasy729 on Dec 27, 2010 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

*every

Formerly Cowboyfan729
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by Creasy729 on Dec 27, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Besides, if Garrett had implemented a running game in training camp, sometime over the last three years, the line, the running backs and the quarterbacks would have been better able to execute it. But he didn’t, so they don’t.

Not only is that speculation but that’s RIDICULOUS speculation.

I’m sure he didn’t try to implement a running game at all in training camp, despite the numerous camp reports we had that had them running the ball in camp. If you don’t like Jason Garrett fine, but don’t just make stuff up.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

But it's so much easier if we're allowed to make stuff up. C'mon, please.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Put aside the bias
Question. What makes you think that in that situation Garrett, who has never built a staff, run a practice, evaluated players, or put a system in place, would have a snowflake’s chance in hell of being successful? Just asking.

Take Garrett’s name out of the equation. Substitute, Payton, Tomlin, Landry, Lombardi (not that I’m equating Garrett/Payton/Tomlin with Landry/Lombardi in any other sense than a non-HC becoming one). Answered?

You could just as easily substitute names of failing OC/DC’s, to support your view. Thus, it’s a moot point.

Pass happy offenses…Neither of which we have at the time, by the way.

Correct.

Question. If the NFL is such a quarterback-centric, passing league, then why are the most successful teams today running the ball more? Just asking.
Because it works.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 11:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep this quote right here...
Question. What makes you think that in that situation Garrett, who has never built a staff, run a practice, evaluated players, or put a system in place, would have a snowflake’s chance in hell of being successful? Just asking.


6 of the 8 playoff teams(and maybe more depending on who wins the west) had never done that before becoming a head coach.

Don’t let facts get in the way Mr. Soothsayer.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Blah

That last part shouldn’t have been quoted of course.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

blah another typo

it’s going to be 8 of 12 more than likely.. which is still a huge number

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Ideal. Up-to-date overwhelming numbers.

Seems facts drive the foreseeing to silence.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 28, 2010 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Sooth, how about this?

Same players, in fact another rung down the depth chart in some cases.

Implying, no stating anyone who supports Garret is less of a Cowboys fan is insulting. I’ll take Barry Switzer of I thought he would help. Interestingly, I look at the same results and see much to suggest JG is ready and getting valuable experience. I don’t want a retread – we just went that route. There’s a reason many f these guys have been out of football.

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by tdships on Dec 27, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

So, you're forseeing...

if we just run more and never call a higher probability TO play, we’ll be perfect. Undefeatable.

Perfect. THE solution. SB’s locked up from now to eternity.

Both were returned for touchdowns, and suddenly Dallas was down 14-0 in the first seven minutes. That’s the game right there.

Though this I have difficulties with lending credence ot your soothsaying abilities. And don’t give me that “if the Cowboys hadn’t given up the 14” BS in response. There was plenty of game to be played. Your thinking’s great for a first-score wins game, but not for football or the game I watched.

Puzzled, since it’s that simple and you knew, why didn’t you at least attempt to clue the coaching staff in. Forget about us fans, after the fact. Why didn’t you help out your Cowboys?

Just asking.

And I too “want what’s best for the team”, regardless of coaches, players and ownership.

ps. - Since you can foretell the future, sure would appreciate the name of the Cowboys next HC along with the winning lottery numbers. Thanks. Much appreciated. ;)

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 5:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I generally defend Jerry more than most

but he has got to stop interviewing. I know he never will, but it’s just getting sad listening to him give responses that are either confusing, embarrassing, or just stupid. All this talk about going with a Super Bowl winning coach is beyond moronic. That should not be a hiring point as he suggests it might be. All in all, I don’t even know where to start anymore with Jerry.

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If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels

by Creasy729 on Dec 27, 2010 4:43 PM CST reply actions  

the horror..the horror...

it really is a sad sight.can almost hear the nation laughing at him :(

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by scotscowboyfan on Dec 27, 2010 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

No matter where you start...

you end up in the same circle, going round and round, dizzying you to being sick.

The cycle must be broken. Otherwise, warning, stay away.

Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.

by tanstaafl on Dec 27, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Until Jerry stops shopping for the groceries

this is what you will get.

If you want to know why this team stinks look no further than the Roy Williams trade and the 2008\2009 drafts.

To bad you guys were going crazy over the 2008 draft when I had to turn it off after we dropped out of the third round and didn’t draft Mannigham.
I hate to say I told you so but I told you so.

Felix was a waste. Parcells cleaned our clock in trades two years in a row.

Jerry is the worst GM in the league.

It’s time to stop ignoring the elephant in the room.

   

by Sharksbreath on Dec 27, 2010 5:37 PM CST reply actions  

Who is ignoring him?

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

by Iron Fist on Dec 27, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

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