Of Fire and Brimstone
by 5Blings on Dec 29, 2010 8:10 PM CST
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PrintIf you're a Dallas Cowboys fan, it's likely that you've sought shelter from the 15 years without a Bling by huddling under the umbrella that the 90's dynasty team provides and harkening back to a time when winning was almost a foregone conclusion. These days, the Cowboys seem to find ways to lose rather than the reverse. I think often about that 90's team. I often use the things I learned from that group in my work life. For instance, when Charles Haley talks about how players had to "sacrifice" for the good of the team, somewhere in that comment is a very John Wooden-esque maxim underlying it. It's difficult not to think there wasn't a ton of luck involved in that confluence of things that led to what many called the greatest team ever. Could they have become a dynasty without the help of the Minnesota Vikings front office? When I think about the triplets and Deion and the O-line and Novacek and Ken Norton Jr. and Bill Bates, there are tons of stories behind THE story. But when I think about that team, I always find myself coming back to the same place. I find myself thinking about a dynamic duo of sorts...and it isn't who you might think.
FIRE
There's no denying Jimmy Johnson was the Fire that fueled the vision of what ‘could be' when he decided to leave South Florida and come take over a moribund Cowboys team. Jimmy had an everyday passion that no other NFL coach could muster up even for a single game. We're currently being carpet-bombed with Lombardi "stuff" via the HBO special and the play and the book and, well, you get the picture. Lombardi's passion was enviable. He and Jimmy shared that and an indefatigable desire to win. But what he and Jimmy also shared was an unparalleled work ethic. That's where, I believe, the most interesting comparisons begin. You may find coaches in the modern era who had passion like these two. You may also find coaches who had that desire to win. But you would be hard pressed to find those personalities who were so big and so bright, but also so methodical in their approach to accomplishing the tasks in front of them. Now, I would suggest that the times each man operated in asked something different of them. Lombardi needed no one else to execute his plan to win. I believe he operated in a time where player egos and multi-million dollar rookies never entered the equation. On the other hand, Jimmy needed a logical extension of himself on the field. He needed a personality almost as big as his own; someone who shared that same passion. But most important, Jimmy needed someone who possessed that same work ethic.
BRIMSTONE
Enter Michael Irvin. Interestingly enough, Irvin was drafted prior to Jimmy's arrival, but it would be difficult to argue that the Playmaker would have become the player he became without Jimmy's sideline presence. No, Michael was the cornerstone in Jimmy Johnson's foundation for the plan to build a winner. Again, the times being what they were, Jimmy needed a highly-touted player, who could garner the respect of the younger players, but also had Jimmy's ear, to set the tone on the practice field, in the locker room and on the playing field. Irvin was all of those things and more. Irvin possessed a trait that enveloped the entire team. He had a nastiness about him. He didn't just want to win. He wanted to physically and psychologically beat down his opponent and make them FEAR him. Before long you could see that the whole team was imbued with that sentiment. It was manifest in Erik Williams' head slap and Charles Haley's sacks and Larry Allen's lead blocks and Moose Johnston's blitz pickups. Irvin wasn't a coach on the field. He wasn't the cerebral nexus of the roster. That was Troy Aikman's job. But neither Troy nor Emmitt possessed the kind of gravitas that Irvin intrinsically had. He was the emotional leader of the team and most important, he extended Jimmy past the sideline, thus enabling his dream to become a reality.
TODAY'S TEAM
The times have changed again. The idea of winning with big ego players, regardless of their talent level, as the core of the team has not proven successful. Instead, the new model suggests that you need a cerebral coach leading a no-nonsense approach to the game, an attention to detail that eliminates the possibility of players making mental mistakes and a locker room comprised of team-first athletes ready to do whatever is asked of them. But the thing you still need, and this is a tribute to the greatness that was Michael Irvin, is a nastiness in the way you play the game. But that's not how this iteration of the Cowboys handles their business. This team if soft and cuddly. This team isn't anything like that.
If you want to be a winner, on a stage as grand as the NFL, you need to have that killer instinct. I see it in some coaches. Sean Payton has it. Mike Tomlin has it. Bill Bellichick has it. Those guys are not happy when they win 45-3 because they thought they left points on the field and allowing the other team to get down close enough for the Field Goal was a failure in and of itself. They pursue perfection knowing that, while they cannot achieve it, they can find measures of excellence along the way. That was how Lombardi approached it. That was how Jimmy approached it.
When I hear Jason Garrett say, "In the end, we did close them out" after a 33-30 nail-biting win over the hapless Redskins, I can't help but wonder if Jimmy Johnson truly had the big impact on him that Garrett says he had. Where's that killer instinct? When I hear that some players aren't selling out, I wonder where that killer instinct is. When I see guys like Bigg not living up to his Bigg paycheck, I ask myself, "where is that killer instinct?" No, this team needs an emotional overhaul and a return to a culture that revolves around a killer instinct that was once the foundation of the team.
So as Dallas tries to resurrect itself, once again, this offseason, one has to wonder what it will take to bring back the Fire and Brimstone that characterized the greatness of that 1990's dynasty. Is Jason Garrett the kind of leader who can help us get that back? Is it someone else? Does Dallas have a roster with selfless players who can regain that nastiness? Can this organization rebuild a culture that is desirous not of winning, but of mauling and forcing their opponents to fear them?
GO COWBOYS!!!
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What will it take?
So as Dallas tries to resurrect itself, once again, this offseason, one has to wonder what it will take to bring back the Fire and Brimstone
The answer to that question does not include the two words, “Jeff” or “Fisher”.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
by BishopWest on Dec 29, 2010 8:54 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
So how do you really feel?
LOL
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I wonder if the team is so shallow in depth that they have no choice this year but to let it run its course and pile up
as many wins as possible. Or it could be that JJ is putting in his two cents and keeping poor performers (roy, barber) who have suitable replacements available but is not able to bench them. I think this year is focused on getting the starters on the team to perform to their best, and evaluate at the end of the year if they have the ability and the desire. The changes we would like to see on the Oline and other places may not happen because the back-ups are not ready or suck even worse than what is currently on the field.
I hope JJ changes some of his ways and give Jason the ability to coach the team as he needs to and then we can see how much of Jimmy that Jason has.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Hope aside...
do you think he will change?
If he doesn’t, can JG win despite him?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
That is the 20 million dollar question.
JJ plays a huge X factor, how bad does he really want to win? Is JJ willing to give JG the control he needs to coach this team? I can only hope because JJ will never publicly admit he needs to back-off, also JJ said there would be alot more turnover at the roster than last year. But that is subjective to me, alot is not a tangible amount.
To answer you 1st question, I hope he changes but I will believe it when I see it next offseason.
The 2nd question is a tough one too, but I do not know, the recent marion barber situation and a number of other starters that proabaly should have seen reduced playing time have not. I do not know if that is all because of the lack of a better choice on the roster or just because JJ wants his high contract players on the field and to have the coach work it out any problems. If JJ keeps JG from being able to make the tough choices he needs to make then I do not think JG will win very much. JG may even go somewhere else if he is given a better situation.
The other factor at play is the loss of money that JJ faces from people welching on the suite contracts, there is a story about how he is pursing litigaton for up to 20 million dollars worth of suite contracts. So JJ may finally see the light because if he doesn’t then he will not be able to fill his stadium; so if that is true then the new stadium may be the frankenstein monster to JJ’s Frankenstein.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
I haven't seen Jerry's resolve ever take a back seat to money
In fact, I think he’s in the twilight of his tenure as team leader and wants that last bling more than ever. He’s more concerned about his legacy now than ever before.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'm not so sure about that...
The NFLN interview seems to indicate otherwise. Holding onto Wade as long as he did was an ego trip. I think we will see him getting worse as he ages.
Yep.
If you want to see how Jerry will turn out just look at Al Davis. It makes me very angry that this is what we have to look forward to.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Well the decisions that will be made this offseason and this draft will tell us some early indicators as to his
motivations when it comes to making decisions about this team.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
He wants to win
He’s always wanted to win and I think that thirst for WINNING has caused him to lose his objectivity at times and make critical mistakes.
Jerry isn’t stupid and these diatribes about his ego being too big are ridiculous. How could his ego not be big? He’s the most influential owner in the most visible franchise in the most powerful league in America and the Cowboys rise to national headline-getter again has been led by him.
Would you rather have Bud Adams???
I think Jerry will evolve, maybe not the way many want, but he will evolve.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
All I'm saying is picking a village idiot's name out of a hat.
And reaping that one more Super Bowl got him a little too high off the intoxicating buzz of not only being the top dog but being the top dog HIS WAY.
I think he's guilty of something many of us would be guilty of, if put in a similar position
Jerry got to where he was by having a degree of self-confidence that few in the world could match.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
True.
Plus Jerry doesn’t have enough decades left to suddenly start lurching in the shadows and churning buttermilk like the Rooney Family while somebody else picks the groceries. It’s just not in his nature.
The guy whose dad ran a grocery store...
is now the richest owner in American pro sports.
He has it all, except another bling. He’s the owner you want because nothing is paramount to the bling.
That’s what keeps me believing he just needs a little luck to go his way and will get this team over the hump.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Agree...Winning is JJs 1st Priority
Winning is the best cure.
Jerry never quits trying, and every move is front page news. He just needs to get more things right..and right away. Free Agent grocerys please. Get 2…I’m hungry.
Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
Any 2 in particular?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Champ Bailey and Logan Mankins/Carl Nicks
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Bailey is going to command..
more money than he’s worth more than likely.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Corner play drops off a cliff once they get past 30-32 years of age
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'm looking at him as a FS as was suggested in a fanpost.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
He'll want a ton of money and hasn't played that position so that he could be judged
Those two things together make me say no.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Told you once before...
Luck’s when preparation meets opportunity. Jerry gets an opportunity each season. Still say he needs to refine the preparation aspect of his game. I’d suggest by becoming more attuned to the realities of the situation and implenting a thoroughly-considered and comprehensive long-term plan while easing off on the reactionary nature he exhibits. Reactionary is always a step behind. Proactive’s a step ahead.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Jerry's Ego Is Over Estimated?
I don’t think so. Example: did you watch that disgusting performance on NFL network on Christmas night? That is what fuels Jerry. Did you hear is comment about any coach must hit the ground running because we all know there is no down time with the Dallas Cowboys. Oh really, Jerry? WTF has been going on for the last 15 years? Jerry’s ego is the sole reason this team has floundered for this lost decade and one-half . . . he keeps making the same mistakes (run off Jimmy, run off Tuna) (trade for Galloway, trade for Roy) Jerry has been a great owner that had a great beginning . . . but he has failed as a GM and the tea leaves do not look any better. There are examples on how to do it, but Jerry insists on satisfying his ego, and the team be darned.
Blings, I hate you sometimes.
It’s born of envy, because you write some mean stuff.
Great analysis of the role Irvin played on the team I wonder if the NFL had evolved again where that kind of leadership is not going to work?
Still, I would love to see someone getting in the face of another player after a stupid play. There certainly have been enough opportunities this year.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
That's high praise, Piney
Thanks much.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Good stuff.
I like that you have an opinion but keep it open Bling, unlike so many other people who feel like their opinions are actually factual.
Of course you’ll get a rec from me.
BTW did you have a Merry Christmas?
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
I did. Thanks for asking IF.
Traveled to see family so I wasn’t able to get online much (funny how life gets in the way of the things you love most).
How’s the new addition to the family coming along?
Sleep deprived yet? :-)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Thanks CC.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
The entitlement that bogs down this franchise is a trickle down effect.
And it all starts up top. I mean I’m sure Jerry really and truly is going through his own personal hell this season. But if there’s one thing the 60 Minutes interview and specifically the comment about “begging the man upstairs for that 3rd one” (paraphrasing) revealed to me, it’s this.
Jerry was so high off the power trip of firing Jimmy and actually having his hand-picked idiot win another Super Bowl thus vindicating his “500 coaches” drunken rant that all the way up until the Parcells hiring anything else the team might have won in that span was just going to be gravy. What the hell did Jerry care? He already had three rings but more importantly proved that he was the real mastermind after his hand-picked country bumpkin idiot crawled out of seclusion(drunk in some mineshaft likely) to win that last ring. Nobody was going to undermine or question his brilliance; at least not for a long while anyways.
Of course, even the Parcells hiring had its subplots and side-effects detrimental to the team’s long-term health as even after Jerry did the unthinkable and relinquished some of his precious power although Parcells got the thing headed back in the right direction the legendary superstar coach still didn’t deliver the long sought after playoff win. What more could Jerry do to let somebody else show him the way back to glory? And what did it get him besides a legend who simply didn’t deliver the goods and prematurely bailed on the job failing to finish what he started?
Which brings us to the last four years starting with the great ‘07 debacle except Jerry pretty much ignored the debacle part and let the great ’07 regular season emblazon him on what a stellar GM he still was and had always been. Which has led to him constantly hamming it up since for anybody that would listen about how this team was just as if not more talented than the ’90s dynasty teams. The problem; the players apparently heard this too and believed him. In fact, they’ve believed him so much and so much of his great GM (or as great as one can be; who hasn’t won jack in 15 years) attitude rubbed off on this team that they didn’t bother to go out and actually win anything either expecting the Super Bowl titles to be as much of a mere formality as Jerry apparently did.
That’s my take anyways. Are most players today such complacent punks that they just can’t win big in a situation like the one the Cowboys have set up?
Humor me, Mick...
If Jerry stays, gives more say-so to Stephen and maybe a person-to-be-named-later to help bolster the front office, do you believe Jason Garrett (if given the appropriate latitude) is the guy to restore the killer instinct to this organization?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yes.
If Payton could get the job done afforded the opportunity so can he. Or that is to say I don’t really understand how exactly a guy like Payton has demonstrated a Bellichick-caliber killer instinct during the entirety of his tenure with the Saints. Once upon a time he was just Bill Parcells’ underwhelming offensive coordinator who got defrocked of his playcalling privileges. Then a great coaching job that led to an ’06 NFC Title Game appearance; then two underwhelming disappointing non-playoff seasons. Then winning the whole shebang last season.
But has he really grown or matured as a coach or changed his approach that radically since that demotion as a Cowboys assistant or was it just a matter of him being given sufficient time to get the job done in the right situation to realize his full potential?
How much killer instinct did Sean Payton demonstrate in ’07 and ’08(when they were 7-9 and 8-8 respectively) following the Saints NFC Title game appearance in his first season as the Saints head man? Can killer instinct be retroactively acquired or is there something to be said for sticking with your man?
Sure, it took brass balls for Payton to call something like that onside kick in the Super Bowl but besides that what sets him apart from other offensive guru-type head coaches like a Martz? As much props as Payton deserves, Brees’ virtually flawless postseason last playoffs was all about him being a perfectionist; he didn’t need any poking or prodding or inspiration from his head coach. That’s in addition to Gregg Williams defense forcing turnovers against Warner and Favre and then calling a masterful game plan against Peyton in the Super Bowl.
Also I’d hold off on necessarily putting Payton or Tomlin in the same class as Bellicheck yet. He’s been doing his thing for a while. I mean one could make the argument that Bellicheck had as much to do with those Giants Super Bowl wins as the other Bill; given that no other team was half as successful neutralizing and even stymieing those Montana-led 9ers teams in the postseason as his defense was.
You want to get deep to the root of the problem; let’s just contrast this Cowboys team’s lead receiver against Irvin. Besides last Saturday’s slip-and-fall that led to a pick six, how many other goofy drops or mishaps has the mighty Austin (who just got a beefy new contract extension in-season) had this season that led to INT’s or wiped out a TD(penalty against the Vikings?) And he’s this team’s ace on offense that people were putting as 1A with Andre Johnson for best receiver in the league. Rotten to the core perhaps?
Is any new coach the Cowboys hire going to be allowed to beat star players like Austin with shower curtain rods every time they bobble a routine pass or stumble around like Larry, Moe or Curly?
by MadMick on Dec 30, 2010 1:33 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He was demoted in NY by Fassel, not in Dallas, but I agree with you.
Fantastic writeup 5blings. Do you think Dez can be that guy? He doesn’t seem to have the charisma Irvin did, but he is still a rookie.
No
Dez is not that guy.
In fact, I don’t think it can be a WR anymore because of how many of them are perceived as me-first prima donnas.
No, it has to be someone else. But I don’t know if that player is on our roster. I think it could have been Keith Brooking 5 years ago.
I’ve said for some time now that I think Dallas has lacked a fiery presence on the roster to make everyone sit up and take notice.
Witten could do it, but he’s not wired that way. Romo and Ware are more lead-by-example guys, but that does nothing for the ones who need a little extra motivation. The truth is that when someone finally steps forward into that role, you’ll see it first on the practice field, where Irvin regularly held court.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I agree with you and that has bothered me...
That this current group has lots of quiet, lead-by-example character guys (absolutely nothing wrong with that), but no guy that could get in Antibes face and motivate (offense or defense) like Irvin could. The reported competitiveness he displayed during practice was amazing.
Stephen's voice is getting louder...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Don't Underestimate Dez
. . . I think he can be this guy . . . and then some.
What makes you think that?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Three points:
1. He has shown more physicality and talent at WR than anyone thought possible. His ability to go get the ball is beyond question.
2. He is clutch in a Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods kind of way. This is the essence of leadership on the football field at one level; you have to be able to perform at the most critical points when the chips are all on the table.
3. Dallas – when it turns around in a few years – will be a new team. Romo and Ware will still be here but all others are just options including Witten and Rat and Smiles.
Conclusion: Dez will be positioned to be the leader of this new team; he will lead by his physical talent and his Michael Jordan clutch-ness. He will be the Brooking of the offense and the young turks; he will out work everyone and lead in a way that is somewhat similar to Micheal Irvin but let’s face it, Michael had a team for the ages. Dez will actually do more than Michael Irvin and he won’t make Irvin’s off the field mistakes.
I don't disagree that he has the talent
I just haven’t seen it in his behavior. He’s not a player that has had others rally around him in the past.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Very difficult comparison
of a 1st year player to 2 of the all-time greats in their sports. Especially since that first year was as much marked by injury as it was by performance. Let’s get an entire season in. before drafting ballots to Canton. And agree there is nothing to indicate, so far, he is this magical locker room leader
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
You misunderstand completely...
How much killer instinct did Sean Payton demonstrate in ’07 and ’08(when they were 7-9 and 8-8 respectively) following the Saints NFC Title game appearance in his first season as the Saints head man? Can killer instinct be retroactively acquired or is there something to be said for sticking with your man?
You’ve somehow equated a team’s record with an intangible.
I think you’re in error there.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Fair enough.
But it does make the comment about “a guy like” Payton “not being satisfied with winning 45-3” in the same way Bellichick demands perfection ring a little false. I’d venture to guess that Payton in ‘07 and ’08 would’ve just been happy with a winning season. Was the ‘08 edition of the Saints so different from last year’s Championship edition? Aside from a radically altered secondary; the answer is no. In fact, the ‘08 edition led the league in scoring too but was -4 in turnover ratio whereas the championship edition was plus-11. 15 extra positive possessions for a team with an offense that explosive will put you on the cusp and they indeed kicked the door down. Did Payton preach extra ball security that offseason or did the front office cultivate a ballhawking secondary that perfectly complimented Payton’s high-octane offense?
I certainly don’t see that Payton’s the cold calculating killer Bellichick is. If you’re looking for another Bellichick, he ain’t out there. Tomlin, on the other hand, obviously has something in the way of intangibles because as I understand it he is more of a delegater than a guy who is hands-on with either side of the ball. I think they’re all unique guys but I don’t see that Payton is as much a fiery personality as in the offensive mastermind mold of Martz or indeed the logical choice for your next Cowboys head coach; you know who.
As for him, I’ll give him a pass on the whole neglecting the run thing until I believe the Cowboys boast a mean enough unit up front to warrant ramming the ball down the other team’s throat. I mean that is your major hang-up and understandably so. But if your big uglies just can’t get any kind of push you walk a fine line between establishing the run and wasting possessions or “playing not to lose.”
I don't think it devalues the comment I made at all
I’m talking about approach, nothing more and nothing less.
New Orleans is not getting the turnovers it got last year from its defense. In addition Brees has set a personal record for INT’s this year. The Saints are giving it away. Yet they are 11-4 and fighting to regain the #1 seed in the conference. I think that is a tribute to the aggressive nature and methodical approach that Payton brings. I saw it first when they throttled Dallas when Tuna came a calling. I’ve seen it ever since in how the Saints take care of their business.
Killer instinct is something you see in the way the team practices and prepares.
One of the things that Jimmy’s players always talked about was how the week prior to the game had them so well prepared. I never forget that and I believe that is a life lesson for all to learn. Court cases are won and lost long before going infront of a judge and jury. Business deals are won and lost long before the actual presentation takes place. Football games are no different.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Good points.
Don’t disagree with any of it.
Actually I thought that aforementioned Saints/Cowboys Sunday Nighter game demonstrated just as much how badly the game had passed Parcells by as he got his ass CALLAHANDED to him in a manner no different than the way Gruden schooled his former team in that Bucs/Raiders Super Bowl.
The main thing I want to get across with Payton is that since I’m not close enough to know how much differently he might run his operation than coaches I believe to be of a similar ilk I’ll just point out it took time and enduring two so-so disappointing seasons before the team he cultivated finally kicked down the door.
You show me you can win with the same group of Kitna-led zombies that just got decapitated 80-24 in back-to-back weeks; but more importantly were in fact in prime position to beat those defending Champion Saints that goes a long way in my book.
Amen
I think JG’s approach has been a fresh and welcome one. I think you have to give some of the credit for the team’s rejuvenation to Kitna, though. It seems like he runs the offense the way JG wants it to be run. It’s faster, has quicker reads and gets the ball out on time.
Do you think JG has the kind of stones where he can TELL Jerry to choose a Mendenhall over a Felix Jones?
Does he have the moxie to fire Campo and Paul P and bring in an Eric Mangini or Keith Butler to run a defense that plays with ferocity and anger?
And let me ask you this too; if not Garrett, who????
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Kitna could've easily led a team like the 9ers or Cardinals to the Division Title.
You couldn’t ask for more out of your back-up QB.
Good question concerning the war room. If the oft-repeated anecdote of Jerry forcing Parcells to pick Ware before that other stable roleplayer dude Parcells liked more(who, lo and behold, they ended up getting anyways) is true, then apparently Big Bill wasn’t beyond getting vetoed by Jerry. BIG. BILL.
How loyal is Jerry to those fogies? It shouldn’t take much convincing that the defensive operation needs a facelift. Will it really take a new head man to sever ties with codgers like Houck and Campo?
well said...........
those are all the questions that I have of JG as well. Some people are saying that Kitna doesn’t have a strong arm which I don’t agree with. I think that Romo thinks too much at the line of scrimmage instead of calling the play like Kitna does which leads to a faster uptempo offense. Also, have you noticed that our false starts appear to have come down? My question is (1) because we are practicing with pads (2) Kitna is calling the play faster and keeping with the script. Which do you think?
Will JG get control over who he wants as DC and OC? If Jerry is bringing in a staff for Garrett-IT WILL NOT WORK. He has to bring in a really good defensive coordinator just like Harbaugh had with Rex Ryan and Tomlin with LeBeau. That’s the only way that I can see Garrett being successful.
I couldn't agree more...
Will JG get control over who he wants as DC and OC? If Jerry is bringing in a staff for Garrett-IT WILL NOT WORK. He has to bring in a really good defensive coordinator just like Harbaugh had with Rex Ryan and Tomlin with LeBeau. That’s the only way that I can see Garrett being successful.
But JG isn’t a long-timer in the NFL coaching ranks. It’s not like he has a ton of ties that allow him to call upon experienced and proven studs like Capers or Mangini.
I think the coach has to have a OC/DC ticket ready for Jerry to approve and keep Jerry out of the selection process altogether.
JG might not be able to muster that up as fast as a Fisher or a John Fox.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
one thing about Fisher.........
if he can tolerate a jerk like Adams, he should be able to handle Jerry you think?
Adams is a freakin' piece of work!!!
Although, I like the idea of an owner who will flip the bird at idiots.
It seems to me that VY is a head case and when you have a head case as your QB and took him with a #1 pick, the franchise suffers for years. I don’t know how much say Fisher had in that move, but they haven’t had a great QB or great receivers since he has been there. What they have had is good execution and a lot of front 4/O-line talent over the years and that has kept them semi-competitive.
I’m sure half of us would do the same.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
yeah, I remember........
that when Fisher had Chow they were wanting Leinart instead of VY. The owner wanted VY. Don’t know if that is correct, but it makes sense if true. Living in Austin, I have seen a lot of VY. He is what he is. The coaches tried to work on his mechanics in college, but he regressed badly so they let him do his thing. It worked out pretty good back then because they won a championship with him. Unfortunately, this doesn’t translate well in the pro game. The other thing about VY is he probably would have never graduated from college if he wasn’t the QB of the Horns. He’s not the brightest bulb if you know what I mean. Sorry to go on the tangent about VY but, Adams wanted VY all along and Fisher didn’t. This seems to be the root of the problem.
And I think it is more #2 than #1
Practicing in pads doesn’t change your timing, but it does help a lineman get the “feel” of the block in a way that teaches him how to use proper leverage. the other thing about practicing in pads is that run blocking is about hand placement and pad level as much as footwork. Practicing in pads helps there a lot.
Quick snaps limits the time you have to make a mental error while in the set.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I was at my Dad's house for Christmas........
and he kept saying how annoying it is when Romo comes up to the line and starts tapping on the lineman’s heads, swinging his arms etc. This is coming from a 78 year old man. He said that he needs to just call the play and quit farting around. I thought that was hilarious.
He needs to make better use of those killplays and I am still waiting for OCC to help me with that one!!!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
is he annoyed when Peyton does the same thing?
by somebodyquiet on Dec 31, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
That's different
Peyton has them at the line with 25 seconds left on the play clock and wants the snap with 3-6 seconds left.
Romo has them up there with 10 seconds left and uses every ounce of it.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Spot on.
I don’t think we’re going to get it with Garrett and the rest of these coaches, and I think some players need to be shown the door as well.
Unfortunately, I think all of that is trumped by the fact that I don’t think we’re ever going to get that back with Jerry pulling the strings. The man just doesn’t get it. His ego is running this team into the ground.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
What would you have Jerry do differently?
Or maybe it is, “what would you have a new GM do differently?”
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Hire strong football people to run the football operations side of things.
I’d still be fine with him giving his opinion on things, but I don’t want the decision making to come down to him.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I think he's listening more to Stephen now than ever
He tried to add Dan Reeves to the mix before that turned into a dumpster fire. But it seems he is trying. Jerry isn’t going to step away from the limelight. He wants to hoist the trophy again.
The question is what he will do to make that happen?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Honestly, I don't know.
I’ve given up on trying to decipher Jerry. I know what the Cowboys need to do to fix themselves, I just don’t have faith in Jerry to do it. I think whatever he decides will be in vain. Until he decides to go get a proven, solid group of football people (hire a good GM, HC and let them bring in their own guys to implement and enforce their philosophy) and let those people have the appropriate amount of say so on things like roster moves, player aquisitions, cuts, etc… then I just don’t see things changing that much. We’re just going to keep going through this coaching carousel and dog and pony show like we’ve been doing since Jimmy left.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Reeves...that situation was so awkward...
If Jones really wanted Reeves as a consultant it would have happened.
Or it just wasn't meant to be
I’m not certain DR would have been that helpful.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I think it would have been great to have...
An experienced set of different eyes away from what Jerry and Steven could see. I’m not sure how much healthy conflict there is in the upper organization, or I’d it’s just a bunch of yes-men agreeing with Jerry, afraid to buck the status quo. It didn’t take a genius to know TO had to go, for example.
Maybe there are others who might make sense
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
And maybe Jerry will scare them off with some off the wall stipulation in their contract like what happened with Reeves.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Very nice write-up, but I think I fundamentally disagree
Troy Aikman let it be known earlier in the season what he thought the success model of the Cowboys looked like. And it’s no surprise that he goes back to the 90’s team for that success model:
My point is there’s a model that has been successful for Jerry Jones and that is have a head coach that everyone knows is in charge and the players have to respect that and they’re going to be held accountable.
One of the most common criticisms leveled at Jerry Jones is that particularly with his personnel moves he keeps trying to recreate the triplets, choosing flashy offensive players over bread-and-butter type players (linemen, safeties).
You are looking for that fire and brimstone attitude that Jimmy Johnson and Michael Irvin displayed.
All three approaches (and notice that I’ve placed you in lofty company there :-) have one thing in common: They’re all trying to emulate something that was successful almost 20 years ago. But can that really be the answer to succeeding in today’s NFL? The 90’s Cowboys team was the result of a unique confluence of events, personnel moves and personalities that will not be duplicated.
I think the real question is what will it take today to succeed in the NFL. A fire and brimstone attitude, or a ‘headcoach that everyone knows is in charge’ may be part of that, but not because it’s something that worked in the past. Rather, it’s because it’s something that will work today, with today’s players, in today’s game.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 30, 2010 2:43 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
well said
What worked several years ago certainly might not work today. The NFL is constantly changing and I don’t think there is any hard and fast rule how to be successful. Different teams take different approaches.
My personal feeling is as long as you have a really good HC and qb, you’ll always have chance to be a contender every year and if Jerry makes the right decision, we will have both for years to come.
In Romo we Trust
Those two are definitely the foundation...
But football takes so many other players and roles. For example, after letting Moss go, if the Pats weren’t so aggressive and were not able to swallow their pride and get Branch back, I’m not sure they would have done as well.
I think that is the real point
It doesn’t matter what the approach is as long as there is accountability. If the HC is not determining the game day roster, who starts and who plays in any given situation then the HC is setup to fail.
I think where JJ is failed is not as a talent collector, but in allowing the coaching staff to develop that talent. This also includes not allowing the HC to pick his own staff. How many players have stayed on the roster too long, getting significant playing time, when they were essentially progress stoppers for younger more talented players. On Jimmy Johnson’s teams if a player proved to be a more effective player, he started *cough*Choice*cough*.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
Tuna picked his own staff
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
*cough*Right*cough*
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Certain things never change
If you look at the most successful coaches and leaders in business, sports or government, they all have a certain steely-eyed view of the world where the goal subjugates all else.
There may be multiple ways to get there, but how often do you see Bellichick (the modern-day guy most often compared to the all-time greats) smile? He’s a hard ass. He’s got a blueprint. He pays attention to every little detail. He’s got a logical extension of himself on the field in a position of leadership. He may not have as big a personality as Jimmy did, but he certainly could be mentioned in the same light as Landry and Walsh. No, all the great ones have been a-holes with a plan to win and the minions to do it in tow.
Our insights into Garrett are limited to his quotes that make the print media and his press conferences. I don’t think a guy can fumble around at the microphone after a loss and not be totally on point about what led to the loss (and what they need to do to correct those things) without being perceived as someone who doesn’t have those things that a Bellichick has.
That said, I wonder if all JG needs is that one player who can be his alter ego in the locker room and instill his values in the other players.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Inarguably correct.
The Past is a referent, not a solution unto itself. The coincidental circumstance of individulal(s) and event(s) cannot be identically repeated. Therefore, especially considering the changed enviroment , duplication is not in itself a solution to the altered conditions or landscape of the times or league.
What I take from Blings “fire and brimstone, Johnson/Irvin” is the desire to see instilled a passion and collaborative spirit, between coach and (a) player(s), the “heart” if you will, in and of a team. To have a player who is the heart-and-soul team leader and virtual extension of the coach’s persona in a fashion not evident at present. Which requires the coach, as they are a duality relative to their roles with respect to each other, one not able to blur and blend the sideline-to-field without the other. Merely my interpretation on which he may correct me as to his intent, but nonetheless will stand as part of what I have taken from his post.
Currently, it would require an adjusted-to-the-times union, if it can even attained. An Irvin is a rarity. The times of those Cowboys is a unique confluence in all the ways you mention, OCC, and more. However, the heart of what I think Blings is getting at: the extension of coach-to-field; the player to embody it; the passion and fire to succeed; and to “infect” his team-mates with “killer instinct” and work-ethic is possible again. He may be right under our nose. Not an Irvin, for his like and circumstance may never pass our way again. But there may be one suited to the times.
So, I see in your inarguable point, Blings’ reference to an essential element of a past success and AIkman’s first-hand perspective, something that may yet blend to be a solution to the challenges the Cowboys face.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Actually Tan...
every point is arguable.
Here’s what aikman says…
“It’s not going to be, hey, they played real hard – we’re 1-6 but we played real hard. Who says that? If you look around the league in the history of sports, for the most part, the head coaches you look at and say, “Hey, what a great head coach,” was somebody who held players accountable.
I don’t think the idea of trying to emulate a decades-old model is what he was getting at. He was saying essentially the same thing I am saying. You need a leader who in the final arbiter of all things related to the players and what they do on the field. That person is who you are ultimately accountable to. Tuna was a good example of that here. Jimmy and Landry were also of that mindset.
That was more an indictment of Wade Phillips than anything else. But it is clear to me that Troy has been quite supportive of JG and I have Sporting News columns of his to prove it.
All that said, Troy played for a controlling coach at UCLA and another in Dallas until he saw Switzer come in and expedite the unraveling. Troy’s experience is limited in this area as a result, but shapes his views nonetheless.
So while I want a coach who is the unquestioned leader, I also want that coach to build a culture that revolves around the utter domination of their opponent. It’s not a “swagger” that JG talks about. It is a mindset that makes you hate the guy across the line of scrimmage from you. Roger personified that for Landry. Irvin for Jimmy.
You need a player to act as the embodiment of that killer instinct and the ones I want to see it from, Witten, Romo, Ware…none have it.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Point, yes...
Fact, no. Completely and utterly inarguable.
The 90’s Cowboys team was the result of a unique confluence of events, personnel moves and personalities that will not be duplicated.Fact. The Past cannot be resurrected, brought into being again.
Which is what my “Inarguably correct” and initial paragraph refered to.
If your post was indicating your perspective that only an unquestioned leader of a coach who builds a culture embodying “killer instinct” is required, I stand corrected and read too much into your writing.
However, I will maintain that a symbiotic coach/player relationship which extends the coach’s persona beyond the sideline is more beneficial. Which is what the rest of my comment was refering to, excepting the final sentence. In fact, I have read some things only recently which caused me to understand it as a mutual belief. ;
I could be wrong.
And you’re right, for as much as I respect Witten, Ware and Romo, none of them embody the “killer instinct” in the expressive manner required to be an Irvin.
btw, my final sentence indicates I see the solution not as being any one of yours, OCC’s or Aikman’s perspectives but one that embodies the three. I demand a lot out of people, I know.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I think Jason holds players accountable, maybe not as aggressivly as Jimmy but. . .
I remember in hard knocks, he was talking about how he hated coaches who would complement him on how well he was doing or tell him how good he was. The best coaches, in his eyes, were the ones who “got on me all the time” and made him work harder and strive to be better. So far, I like his approach to how he incorporates accountability. Another good thing about Jason is that he is very smart. It’s one thing to be able to hold people accountable, but when those people you’re holding accountable know that 1) you’ve played in this league, under a hall of fame coach 2) Played with, and have respect from, hall of fame players 3) you are very smart, smarter than the majority of coaches they’ve played for, and there is most likely very legit reasoning behind your methods. I think so far, with how he’s handled things he will eventually gain respect from the players, and respect will bring more passion and drive out of someone than fear.
Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.
by I am a Romosexual on Dec 30, 2010 9:43 AM CST reply actions
I'm not sure 1, 2 or 3 matter to a guy who has a $50M contract with 5 years left on it and already got his $12M signing bonus
Unless you’ve got a bling, no coordinator who was promoted at mid-season and has seen his offense publicly criticized for struggling to score points in the red zone, walks in with the kind of cache you’re talking about.
No, I don’t buy that one bit.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Peyton didn't have a golden reputation when he came to NO...
But he has a fiery ally in Brees, something that Romo isn’t, at least yet.
No, but he was highly regarded after having worked under Parcells in Dallas
Tuna gave him a thumbs up, and he doesn’t do that to too many people.
He was also a very imaginiative play caller and his schemes were viewed as too complex by Tom Coughlin. Several years later, they both have a Super Bowl ring.
The other thing I like about Payton is that he’s not a one-year wonder. The Saints are once again a very good football team and success hasn’t gone to their heads. They’ve won slugfests and shootouts.
It’s hard not to like Sean Payton’s work so far as a HC.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I disagree. First of all, he does have two blings. Being on both the 93, and 95 superbowl teams.
If a player with a $50m contract who has already gotten his bonus cannot be inspired by someone posessing 1, 2, 3. Then what will inspire them? Shannahan has two rings as a coach and he couldnt inspire, let alone get any form of production or respect out of his $100m man who had gotten his signing bonus. The culture Jerry has put in place, as you’ve mentioned, surrounds the 90’s teams and players. Jason Garrett respects and tries to emulate “Fire”, he sought him out for coaching advice, he’s played under the guy for Championship teams. He has been involved in the success, regardless of how substantial, of these teams. He has the respect of Brimstone, and has a deep knowledge of Dallas Cowboys Culture. The players we have, who lead by example, I would imagine want a leader who eats what he’s trying to feed to them. He preaches daily perfection, and the obvious turn around in points per game and wins since he’s taken over cannot be cast out. The public criticizing of him as an OC? One of Garretts offenses’ has put up more yards, and points than any team, in Cowboys HISTORY!!!! I cannot see a way that the dallas cowboys get back to the Culture around Valley Ranch like they had in the 90’s, than with anyone other than JG.
Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.
by I am a Romosexual on Dec 30, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I think people know those rings came from his time as a backup
His contributions there have to be viewed in a different context than someone who was a frontline starter. Tory Humphrey has a Super bowl ring too. I’m not sure anyone knows or cares that he does. I doubt that would make his words any more meaningful than Marion Barber’s, even though Marion doesn’t have a ring.
To say JG is the ONLY person who can restore the Cowboys to prominence, I think, is too narrow a view.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Being on multiple championship caliber teams does carry some weight
“regardless of how substantial” his contributions were. What I should have said was “who is more suitable to restore the cowboys to the 90’s culture then the home grown Jason Garrett. A man who backed up a hall of famer for a championship Dallas Cowboy team, is extremely intelligent, and has proven his coaching abilities in his short tenure as a Head Coach”. He’s been there, done that, all with the Cowboys. Yes there are some other prospects out there, but with Jason, Jerry knows more of what he’s getting.
Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.
by I am a Romosexual on Dec 30, 2010 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
Has he really proven anything?
He could end up 4-4 in the 8 games here and the defense has been a trainwreck.
The offense still has trouble in the red zone and the team still makes too many mental errors.
He hasn’t been crisp at the mic after the losses and his ascension has been awfully rapid.
Are you totally sure he is NEO?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
The Cowboys enter this week ranked 6th in scoring with 380 points.
Since he took over as Head Coach points per game has gone up significantly and he’s made that improvement with a backup QB’s, poor Oline play and injured WR’s.
The Defense stunk when he took over and it still stinks now but the defense under Garrett has improved it’s turnovers and big plays dramatically.
The team has also improved the terrible, for several years now, penalty ratio.
And most importantly the team has gone from 1 win and 7 loses to 4 wins and 3 loses. A vast improvement in a tough part of the schedule with an injured squad.
When he took over there were many people who wondered how we would win any games without Romo and a new Head Coach (who most people hated) and now that he’s won 4 games people question if it is good enough.
Virtually every aspect of the team in every way, from practices to points, to turnovers, to penalties and wins has improved dramatically under Garrett. What more can the man do with this current squad?
by Luke. on Dec 31, 2010 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Perfection!
Seriously though, pretty much everything you’ve said is how I feel. I don’t know that Garrett will be anything, but from his limited time as a head coach, he’s done well.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Hasn't o-line play gotten better?
Haven’t they run a lot more?
Haven’t they gotten more turnovers from the defense since he’s ascended?
Here’s another thing to think about, and I credit FiTaT for calling this out early…
Was there anywhere to go than up when he took over? Wasn’t it almost assumed that he would have a positive impact given that Wade was such a turd??
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
both of your points are good ones...
but 4-3 against the Giants, Eagles, Colts, Redskins, Saints, Lions, and Cardinals is nothing to scoff at, especially when you consider how we lost the Saints and Cardinals games.
Sure, literally EVERY game was a throwup that came down to 1 or 2 key game turning plays, but just going off the eyeball test, this team is generally making plays when they matter. Which is very different from the Wade Phillips days.
In terms of coaching, the best arguments that can be made are:
1. Garrett saw this units weaknesses and immediately addressed them. The defense is as bad as before, but we are generating like 2+ turnovers a game. This came with a massive philosophy shift, which masked our poor safety play and pass rush/ability to blitz
2. Penalties are back down to a respectable level.
Offensively, hes so limited by the ol play, I think we’re scoring as many points as we possibly can considering Kitna is our qb.
So pretty much, the only complaints that are being made are discipline/fire complaints, and that is extremely subjective. Also, we have no idea how much power Garrett really has as interim coach. Its very possible that Jerry is playing a role in guys like Barber and Spencer still seeing huge minutes.
I wonder how much power Wade had
In fact, I don’t think there was an OC anywhere in the NFL who had more latitude than JG did.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Cr!pes, there's no question
Name one hand-picked in similar fashion and with anywhere close to the same circumstances around his retention.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
+1
It would be foolish to let Garrett go . . . I think it is a foregone conclusion Jerry retains Jason . . . after going through the minority hiring beauty pagent requirement … me thinks Jerry is gonna make splahs by hiring a football confidant – a GM type czar – someone to help turn over the roster in a dramatic way using draft, FA, UDFA . . . get a faster and more physical and younger defense that has strength up the middle.
Like Who?
Well it would have to be a person willing to let Jerry be Jerry and a person not demanding of the formal power normally conferred to a GM . . . someone like Holmgrem . . . so Fox comes to mind . . . or an ex college HC like Meyer or Leach come to mind . . . they would bring knowledge of the college kids out there and those coming up in the ranks. There will no shortage of fired ex HC . . . then there are those like Mangini or McDaniels or Kubiac that might get the ax – that might play that role . . . or a Coughlin perhaps . . . someone looking for a two year pitstop
Don't see a single name...
in there I can see Jerry bringing into such a position, even if he was of a mind to. Holmgren’d be about the closest in terms of rep, he’s very busy and I doubt either of them would get anywhere near Reeves-close to a deal if either would even consider it from the get-go. Holmgren, not want the clout? Man, I gotta say, I think you’re WAY off on that one. Actually, I think Mike’d likely laugh and hang up.
Meyer wouldn’t want the health aggravation that’d come with the territory, besides. The rest, they ain’t even close to serious consideration for a position like that.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I agree
None of them bring the kind of wisdom and knowledge that Jerry would lean on.
I thought about Marty Schottenheimer but he may be too old.
What about Ditka?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Ditka is too far into his dotage to be effective; He just babbles on TV and never really makes any sense anymore
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Who are the top GM candidates out there?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Is there anyone better than Jerry Jones?
Now that I have picked myself up from the floor after rolling around laughing, I’d rather not get a ‘big name’ (especially a guy like Ditka who has been cooling his heels in a TV studio for ages now) and go for a hungry young gun from another team (preferably a well run team like Pittsburgh or New England or Baltimore or Indy) to couple with our new hungry young gun of a head coach. Let that guy be the Tex Schramm to Jason Garrett’s Tom Landry. This of course requires Jerry Jones to settle in to a Clint Murchison role.
We are so screwed, aren’t we?
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What about Jeff Ireland?
With new ownership and no Tuna to protect him in MIA, I wonder if he’d be someone that Jerry would trust and listen to?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Going to a comment of yours...
further down:
What if there is a third head in that room who then becomes the guy with a lot of personnel input that a Harbaugh likes and trusts?Given we were both thinking JH possibilities, if resurrecting Schembechler was an option I’d bite. It was the only name that hit me when I read that statement and the reason I’d asked you “Like who?” down there.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
You meant Schottenheimer
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
No I think he meant Bo, hence the resurrecting part
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You're right, Blings' wrong
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Well, then why stop there and dig up Vince
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
It is the Michigan Connection, Bo was Harbaugh's coach at UM
and this is a Cowboys blog, why bring in Zombie Lombardi when Zombie Landry is available
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Because...
I’d prefer Tex as a GM-advisor to Lombardi, so I wouldn’t waste the resurrection power on Vince.
You said “that a Harbaugh likes and trusts?” relative to this, further on, and I said the only name that I knew that fit that bill off the top of my head.
So, since you mentioned Ireland, I ask you, where’s your evidence Harbaugh “likes and trusts” him?
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
None
If it is Ireland, it would be about having someone Jerry would listen to.
The Harbaugh thing was about finding someone with enough NFL cache to make him think that JErry was ceding some degree of control to a caucus.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Agree...
that there’s worth in ireland and that jerry just may lend him some credence.
Also that Jerry doing so might indicate to Harbaugh that the authority model inside the franchise is more condusive to his possibly signing on.
Now, for it to happen… ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
"over Lombardi" not "to Lombardi"
So there’s no misunderstanding.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Wait, forgot to mention one...
Walsh. Same boat. Likes and trusts.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Nope, I meant what I said
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Any Candidate Is Gonna Have Holes
. . . the idea is still solid . . . Jerry needs a soul mate to bounce ideas of off . . . and to bring in some new blood by way of connections and so forth. . . like Fox, sure he petered out . . . but think of the knowledge he has about young coaches and other ideas that are outside what my exist at Valley Ranch.
LOL @ soulmate
who knew people in Iowa had such comedic ability??
:-)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Jerry's proven he has...
a soul/sole problem. See “Me”/“We”, his “deal with the guy above(?)” and dsyfunctional franchise for reference.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Of course JJ and Payton have the killer instinct....
they both coached GOOD teams. THIS team is not good. To have Garrett lead a team QB’d by a journeyman and a 3rd stringer and still avg 31 points a game is nothing short of a miracle. Put Garrett on those teams and you would see just about the same. If anything, it’s the defense that needs an overhaul! The 90’s Cowboys had it, and the Saints have a very good one today too. Bad comparison.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 10:05 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
How did that happen?
This team won the NFC East last year. It has a Pro Bowl QB, elite talents at TE, WR, CB, OLB, etc. This team went to the playoffs last year and won.
How is this team not good.
In business, as in war, there are no bad teams, only bad leaders.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Pro bowl QB got knocked out early, and just who is the elite talent at CB?
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How early?
The team wasn’t 5-0 when he went down.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Of course not, and losing ROmo was not hte only factor, but Garret has not had Romo as his QB during his head coaching tenure
As you did not answer, I am going to ask again: Just who do you believe is the “elite talent” at corner?
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Jenkins
I said so when he was drafted.
He’s a superior athlete who needs better coaching and better scheming.
He’s the guy that can get 8 INT’s a year for the next 5-7 seasons.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I see a guy who has a history of shying away from contact and giving up on plays way too early. Maybe that can be coached out of him, I don't know and I sort of doubt it.
His talent level may be elite (I don’t see it, but I am not going to belabor the point) but his performance sure as hell is not elite
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It was last year
Ask the Philly WR’s.
But then, he had Hamlin over the top and not Ball.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Hanlin was definitely better than we thought
at least comparing him to Ball.
Hard to know...
seems like Ball is a tire fire.
But…I said that last year and people said, “the coaches know more than you!” and other BS. Now those same people curse Ball for those same things we all knew but were afraid to address openly.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
oh, I wasn't one of those........
I kept thinking that they were making a bad mistake by not getting a real safety instead of a project.
And ask the Giants RB and the other RB from this year (can't recall the team) who Jenkins pulled up on if they think he is elite, or did Jenkins expect safety help on the tackle?
“Mike Jenkins” and “elite” should not be used in the same sentence unless “elite” is modified by “not.”
I hope the guy turns it around but the best that can be said about him, the absolute best, is that he is (a) wildly inconsistent and (b) has not come close to living up to his potential whatever that may be
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Reflex
I bet you weren’t saying that when he was on top of the world last season.
He has everything you want in a great CB. He just needs a lil help.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Head in the Sand
First of all, a good year last year does not equate to top of the world. String together some consecutive years like that, and stop being a pussy when it comes to tackling guys near the end zone, and I will say he is elite and on top of the world.
Right now, your elite corner is inconsistent and has been far from elite for the majority of his career.
I’d like to be wrong about this, but Mike Jenkins may be the Roy Williams of CBs: Physically gifted, has one big year that his supporters point to as proof of his overall level of awesomeness, but ultimately frustrating and disappointing. He can prove me wrong, I hope he does.
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You asked who has elite talent
So don’t drone on and on about a single whiff as though it’s the defining play of his career. It’s vapid and makes you just another guy who reacts to the latest headlines.
If you look beyond the tabloid news, you see a guy who has lightning-fast hip turn, he has tremendous ball skills and he has the ability to play press as well as zone coverage against the league’s best receivers.
The entire defense, yes that means Ratliff and Ware too, has had a terribly inconsistent year.
Obviously Jenkins is your whipping boy du jour.
I disagree with your position wholeheartedly and believe he has all the requisite skills needed to be one of the league’s best.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Single means one; It has happened more than that, and if that is not the defining play of his career, what is?
So you mistate the facts, and then engage in ad hminem attacks on me, calling me “vapid.” At this point, I should just plant my flag, declare victory and move on. However, being BTB’s resident asshole, there really is no way I am going to do that.
Let me share some of the Tabloid Stories I have come across while waiting in the checkout line. The first is from the National Enquirer and the headline reads Mike Jenkins Beaten Like A Rented Mule. The body of the story describes how Jenkins coverage technique is to grab as much of his opponents jersey as the receiver goes into his break, and hopes the ref does not see it.
The next is from the Star and the headline reads Mike Jenkins Goes to Dancing With The Stars. The story describes how his “lighining fast hip turns” may give him the inside track on winning the reality show contest.
Finally, News of the World chimes in with BAT BOY SAYS “MIKE JENKINS CAN’T COVER ME!” I didn’t get to read that article, as I had to pay for my ring-dings, but I think the headline says it all.
Jenkins is not my whipping boy du jour. He is just another member of his draft class who is long on potential and really, really short on results
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And there it is again...
you should have the diagram to the misdirection play as your quote.
So I’ll ask this more in a kind of ‘hooked on phonics’ kind of way so even the resident a-hole can stay on task and not tailspin into some weird need-to-share-grocery-shopping-experience;
What player on this defense’s starting 11 would you say has played consistently better in 2010 than he did in 2009?
They’ve gone from #2 in points allowed to setting a Cowboys record for points allowed through 15 games. They’re down in sacks, pressures, yardage, everything you think of when you consider a defense’s overall merits. Yet, I don’t hear you pummeling Ratliff for his late season swoon or Ware for his sack totals being off or Newman for being the latest incarnation of Anthony Henry.
If you’re going to hand out failing grades, you should at least be even handed about it, shouldn’t you?
And if you are, maybe that bleeds all of your venom and makes your attacks on Jenkins much more…impotent.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Have you seen me heaping praise on any members of the 2010 craptastic defense? Anyplace?
You called me vapid and told me to “look beyond the tabloid news.” I took your attempt at an insult, (which by the way is devoid of any meaning; which tabloids have hoodwinked me into believing that MJ is a frigging disappointment?) and made a joke of it.
This started when you wrote about Elite Talent at CB. Had you said anything about elite talent at ILB or safety, I would have asked the same question, namely who is elite at those positions? And note that had you noted Newman as the elite talent at CB, I’d have taken issue with that.
As for Ware and Ratliff, both are having down seasons without question, but given their overall body of work, I am giving them a bit of a pass in that even guys who are among the best at their positions, like Rat, and are on the HOF fast track, like Ware, have shitty seasons, especially when the whole team is taking a dump. But those guys have a pattern of excellence. Mike Jenkins has one very good season, thus far, what is known as a career year, and does not have the pattern of excellence, and in Ware’s case, the history of greatness, to be called elite.
Is that clear, or do I need to bust out the crayons for you?
Also, still waiting for you enlighten us as to what the signature play of Mike Jenkins’ career is to date if not jumping out of the way and saying Ole! as a running back waltzes into the end zone.
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Your self-proclaimed role as resident a-hole is clouding your vision
Maybe you are just the resident hyper-sensisitive thin-skinned poster?
Let’s make sure we have our comments in alignment, shall wee?
First, you asked who had elite “talent”. I answered that question with reasons why. Your attempt to use this season’s inconsistency (which, by your own admission now, is widespread across the defense) in performance as a platform for “planting your flag”.
All the while, Seanrude, you missed the point. Elite talent is not synonymous with elite performance. Think that one through and get back to me…
Next, you said I called you vapid. Wrong again, mi amigo. I said the following;
So don’t drone on and on about a single whiff as though it’s the defining play of his career. It’s vapid
If you read that closely, you’ll see that I’m actually saying that the repetition of what’s already been said about a single play from a player who has been lauded for other performances IS VAPID. The underlying theme here is that one play certainly cannot impact the way we judge a player’s talent, right buddy?
So, you’re next piece of writing isn’t worthy of my time because, as I said, I think you mis-read the first time and then coupled it with hyper-sensitivity.
I hope that clears things up and you decide to go plant a rose garden rather than a flag, because if you’re actually the resident a-hole on BTB, then it’s no wonder the team lacks a killer instinct. It’s reflective of the fan base.
Sorry, I had to…
:-)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
As we are getting our comments in order, let me fully quote you:
So don’t drone on and on about a single whiff as though it’s the defining play of his career. It’s vapid and makes you just another guy who reacts to the latest headlines.
Reading that in it’s entirety, including the bold section as opposed to the redacted version you posted, you are without question setting forth the proposition that my statement is vapid and that I am part of a vapid herd who dances to whatever tune the press is playing (presumably the unnamed Tabloids who have a hard on for Mike Jenkins). To the extent there is a distinction, it is one without a difference.
So now, in addition to misstating the facts (Single incident), moving the goalposts (I focused on Jenkins, you criticized me for not bitching about the entire defense which was, I don’t know, not nice to Jenkins or something) and engaging in ad hominem attacks, you have now selectivley redacted a quotation (your own, no less) in order to bolster your argument. Frankly, you are usually a hell of a lot more careful and thoughtful than this, so I am sort of shocked. This is a “Poster who shall remain unnamed” like level of BS Peddling, which I have never seen you engage in.
Again, I pose the question to you: If Mike Jenkins’ Tinkerbell routines at the goal line are not the defining plays (not play, but plays) of his career so far, what are?
Again, I’d love to be wrong about the guy. I hope he turns his crap around, focuses on the game, becomes a Mel Renfro type player for Dallas. I want that to happen.
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Yawn...
Your illogical extensions of my quotes are amusing at best. So yes, if you continue to harp on this VAPID topic, it will make you one of the masses who casually enjoy the Cowboys games but don’t REALLY watch them.
But only because I like you, here’s something that someone else (who obviously agrees he has elite talent) thought was worth their time.
Really, I’m surprised you’re asking for validation of his talent because I know you watch the games closely.
I think I’ve been clear. You’re more concerned with picking a fight than focusing on what’s at issue here.
Do you really, and I ask you to pause a moment here before answering, think Jenkins is a bust?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
And just how does my including your entire quote constitute an "illogical extension" of said quote? Those are your words, not mine
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Because I said the topic is vapid, not the speaker
I thought I made that clear above?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
One more thing...
Just because you engage in a topic that is vapid doesn’t make you vapid.
By extension, just because MJ whiffs on a tackle doesn’t make him a…whiffer.
Okay, that should have come out better than it did because it was so poignant and utterly witty in my head and then…ah well.
It’s still brilliant if you ask me and sums up this dialogue quite nicely if you ask me.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Sorry to bore you so
Is Jenkins a bust? Nope, but he is not anywhere near what he ought to be for someone with alleged elite talent.
I have not at anytime said he should be cut, released, bastinadoed, pelted with garbage. I am just questioning his talent as being elite. Not even you are saying that his performance has been elite, so at least we agree there.
And let us be accurate: Mike Jenkins did not “whiff” on a tackle. For those to be considered “whiffs” he’d have to at least attempted a tackle. He did not. He pulled up to avoid any contact. Actually that is not even accurate. He moved to get out of the way. In a post game interview this season, he admitted that he gave up on the play. If not signature plays, are those at least indicative of a real problem with the guy?
Again, I hope he is the 21st Century Mel Renfro. Do you see that happening?
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I think he is the 2011 Asante Samuel
How’s that for clarity?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
and they are not good because the O-Line sucks, The ILbs are weak, and the safety play is completely nonexistent
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No team is strong at all positions
Are you saying a team with an average O-line cannot win?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
ask Aaron Rodgers that.........
he seems to win with an average OLINE
not every team has Aaron Rodgers...
they have a very limited run game and rely extremely heavily on Rodgers. Peyton Manning has won with pretty much no help this year. Building your offense around a top 4 qb seems like a stupid plan to me. Its not like Garrett can just assume his qbs will play that well.
that is true.......
however, I was answering Blings question “a team cannot with with an average O’Line”. Just stating the facts that in some instances you can win with an average OLine if you can camouflage it. If you are creative enough, sometimes, you can work around those deficiencies. Another good case is Vick. He has a horrible OLine. Until the Giants pretty much gave the blueprint on how to beat him, he looked pretty much unbeatable.
I feel like we had a lot to do with the way defenses play Vick now...
and again, while your points are 100% true, they don’t apply to the Dallas Cowboys.
I agree
I don’t think Chicago’s o-line is good (they may be better than ours, but again, I need OCC’s help). Yet, they are sitting in the driver’s seat.
Is Atlanta’s o-line that great?
KC’s?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Aahh, a challenge.
Footballoutsiders have them in the following order and league rank:
Run blocking: 2. KC, 8. ATL, 14. DAL, 30. CHI
Pass blocking: 3. ATL, 9. DAL, 15. KC, 32. CHI (remember, we collectively think that the pass protection stats are misleading because Kitna doesn’t even attempt to throw a deep pass)
Volume stats per NFL.com:
Rush YPC: 3. KC, 16. DAL, 21. ATL, 26. CHI
Sacks allowed: 3. ATL, 5. KC, 12. DAL, 32. CHI
QB Hits allowed: 8. ATL, 11. KC, 19. DAL, 27. CHI
What does this tell us? Dallas has gameplanned around some of its deficiencies to at least get average stats, Chicago’s O-line just plain sucks.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 1, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Yea!! We got cellar-dwelling...
while a team with an OLine worse than ours takes their division and still has a shot at home-field advantage.
Wait a sec, that must mean…
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
That looks to me like a middle-of-the-pack O-line
…and I can’t look at caveats for Dallas without looking at caveats for others.
That stuff tells me Dallas’ O-line is doing what it is asked to do, better than what half of the league’s O-lines are doing.
So, with an average O-line (now that we know they don’t SUCK), can we win a bling?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Not in my opinion.
Our defense would suddenly need to become a top defense for that to happen. Even then though, I am pretty sure that our offensive line, if kept as is, would have another horrible late season meltdown that would result in an earlier than expected end to our season.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Also, don't confuse middle of the road production with middle of the line talent.
Huge difference. Remember for instance that Colombo grades out as one of the worst offensive tackles (if not the worst one) in the NFL.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Agreed
Performance and Capability are two completely different things.
Colombo should never have come back from last year’s injury. The fact that Dallas did nothing to address it in the offseason makes me wonder if the coaches were screaming loudly enough about it?
I could see someone like Houck saying, “oh, we can get him back to where he was before he got hurt”.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
This is where you have to kiss Jason Garrett’s ring blings.
He’s schemed around the offensive line to the detriment of our receivers. If we had a right side of the line next year along with Dez Bryant healthy, Miles refocused, Jason Witten being a receiving tight end again along with either Bennett or Phillips, and possibly a serviceable third wide-out we’re going to easily be one of the top five or better offenses in the league.
Succinctly, 2011
A word seldom associated with me. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
But...
the line play got significantly better when JG took over the HC job.
Why exactly?
As I’ve said before, what OC in the entire league had more autonomy and latittude than he did under Jerry, I mean…Wade?
:-)
The 5 guys up front were still the 5 guys up front. I think he chose to run more because it was Kitna manning the helm instead of Romo. The simple change in frequency made them better run blockers, put Kitna and the offense in more reasonable down-and-distance situations and good things happened.
It’s impossible to say for sure, but my original point still stands. JG had more control than any of his peers and I think he over-thought his play calling. Only when he balanced the attack did the team start to contend in games.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I wish Dallas' O-Line was average. I said they suck. In the words of Terry, Big Difference
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Do they?
I thought OCC said the Dallas line was middle of the pack using some web site’s scale…
Someone flash the OCC bat signal…or whatever they do to call Captain America.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
It's not that the entire O-line is garbage.
But the entire right side is.
And runblocking nobody but Doug Free has been great.
Center-LT is above average in pass blocking, RG-RT BELOW AVERAGE
And run blocking right of Free is horrendous. I’ve never seen a pro team get less push at the line of scrimmage so frequently on the goalline.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
So how do we stack up with others?
Seems like Mike Vick would trade lines with Dallas after Tuesday night.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Well it's better than Philly's.
Passblocking wise, although I think Philly is still better at running basic ISO plays.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
which, in and of itself, is interesting...
because they’ve invested more in building theirs than we have in ours.
I’m just not sure how to take seanrude’s comment. Does this line really suck (because you need a relativistic approach to answer that question)?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'd say it's average pass blocking...
at best and below average run blocking.
So it… sorttttta sucks. :)
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
what I do find kind of interesting........
is why it took so long for teams to figure out how to defense Vick?
I don't think it's taken that long.
I just don’t think everyone has the people to do it.
Honestly Dallas was pretty good against Vick himself, they just could tackle the damn players getting the ball.
And I think that the season is wearing him, he’s getting brutalized out there.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
His style of play makes him a huge injury risk...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
that's why if I were Reid
I would think awfully hard before signing Vick to a long term contract or letting Kolb go.
They will likely franchise Vick
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
But you gotta compare it to somebody IF
Is it worse than Washington’s?
Cincy’s?
Buffalo’s?
Miami’s?
Worse than AZ’s?
SD’s?
Carolina’s?
I doubt it is worse than Indy’s. They been awful.
How about Chicago’s?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Indy's is pretty bad.
Chicago’s is bad too but they sacrifice their QB because of it. Martz QB’s get brutalized.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
None are worse than ours:
Yeah...
I think we were looking for something a bit more statistical there, Fernie.
:>)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Really the first QB down was an indictment of the coaching and a rookie FB
Not the O-line.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Having a rookie FB in there who didn't understand the blocking scheme
…is a coaching move.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yeah...
I don’t know. Players have to play too. I’m sure he had ran that play before in practice.
This wasn’t the first week of the season.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Coaches can never win.
Heaps of people complain that "our coaches won’t play the young guys".
When they do and the young guy makes an inevitable mistake they say "what were the coaches thinking putting a rookie in there".
And round and round it goes.
I like when young guys play
…but they gotta know the play.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yeah but...
I’m sure the coaches thought he knew the play. Like I said this wasn’t the first game of the season.
It’s not like this is a guy that had to come in half way through the game, he had been getting first team snaps throughout the season.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Face it...
he blew the play, for whatever reason. One play. Time to get over it.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
huh?...
how many other blocks has Gronk straight up blown this season like that one? Its probably happened 2 or 3 times. Hes also probably made that play 30+ more times during the season and 100+ more times in practice. Hes not an awful player, sometimes bad stuff just happens.
I like Gronk
…a lot.
I want to see him be the FB of the future for this team.
But missed assignments and confusion take me back to coaching. Poor execution (i.e. poor footwork, improper hand placement, wrong angles) are the faults of the players.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Well...
So one isolated incident is always a coaches fault?
In your world everytime an offensive lineman misses an assignment is due to poor coaching, everytime a wr runs a wrong route is wrong coaching, and so on.
You repeatedly defend Peyton Manning, but what is the difference in between Blair White running a bad route that gets him interecepted?
Is that’s Mannings fault for calling a play that his WR was confused on the route about?
I find it pretty hard to believe that everyone else knew their pass blocking assignments for that play but Dallas just forgot to go over it with him.
I mean jesus, he’s a fullback, he blocks its what he does.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
No, not every time, but when it is consistent...
and I will use the Dallas secondary as an example, it becomes clear that the group is not being coached well.
And I don’t blame Gronk or the coaches on that play because I’d bet Phillips would have been in that spot had he not gotten hurt.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yeah I agree...
when it’s consistent. But Gronk has been pretty good at pass protection.
Face it, he got caught in the headlights and screwed up. It happens.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Columbo and Davis have combined to miss TONS of blocks
they’ve allowed many blitzers to run free at the qb, but Romo has mostly avoided injury in the past 2 years. Is that Garrett’s fault?
And keep in mind that he is a rookie – players who never make a mistake don’t exist in this league.
I know I'm not condemning him.
I think he’s a fine player, but it was his fault he missed the block not the coaches.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
JG says the reason they didn't run more...
was because they didn’t practice running enough during the week leading up to the game.
I have no idea how many times Gronk got to practice that kind of blitz pickup in the week’s practices leading up to the game.
So, you’re right, you can’t condemn him for one play, but I can see that Dallas has mental errors along the O-line too often and that is about coaching.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
That's true,
but for some of these players, these are the same guys that were there with Bill and Payton.
They were doing the same damn things then.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
How about Davis and Gurode
their constant inability to pick up a delayed blitz the last 3 years has hampered us. I just cannot buy that the coaches are at fault in their case. I’m sure that Garrett and Houck have done all they can to plug that leak.
Well Gurode is just a big dummy
I have nothing else to say about that.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Again by that criteria.
Payton qualifies as a chump in ‘07 and ’08 for underwhelming after getting his team to the ’06 NFC Title Game. Of course, I don’t actually think Payton qualifies as a chump because I understand the landscape of the league and how fleeting success can be; even for championship-caliber rosters.
It’s why guys like Bellichick, Brady and Peyton all have to be put in a class of their own; for winning every year.
Elite talent at CB? Newman’s a year older but shockingly he’s still the most stable member of the secondary. Jenkins suddenly turned stupid. And the safeties are nowhere to be found to pick up the slack.
I think Jenkins has a bright future in the NFL
Campo and Paul Pasqualoni are no help at all and put him in position to fail time and time again.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I don't disagree there.
I forgot about those two old codgers ineptitude in addition to the lack of safeties. Regardless Jenkins is exactly the kind of player the organization has to make work to not take steps backwards and since he’s shown he can perform at an elite level there’s a decent chance he can turn it back around.
Amazing how many key INT's Tracy Porter made knwing he had Darren Sharper behind him
Jumping routes is less of a risk if you have trust in the guy behind you and the coach on the side of you.
I have faith in neither the safety nor the coach.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
By "put him into position to fail"
do you mean ask him to play some zone some of the time? Because apparently that’s what he thinks his problem is.
“I’m a man corner. . . That’s what I came here to play.”
Do you think Belicheck would give him an attaboy or would he say “you play what I tell you to play.”
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
I think Bellichick drafts players with the skill sets that fit perfectly into his system
So, at least in NE, it’s seldom an issue.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Fair enough.
So you’re implying the Cowboys shouldn’t now ask him to play some zone or even predominantly zone because Wade drafted him for his system?
If the new DC wants to play more zone than man, should the Cowboys get rid of Jenkins? Or should he try to adapt his skills to the system?
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Dec 31, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I think we are too far down this path to try and overhaul the scheme
My hope is that the new DC is just a bit more flexible and unpredictable in the way he develops gameplans and makes in-game adjustments.
It’s like trying to make Dallas a West coast offense. That would take several years and I don’t see the linemen and skill players needed to play that way. If you decide to become a predominantly zone coverage team, Newman might excel there. Jenkins maybe not so much. But this is conjecture because he played press coverage in college and with Dallas.
I look at Ronde Barber. Outstanding career as a cover 2 guy keeping plays in front of him. Could he play press-man coverage? I highly doubt he’d be as good at it as he has been in TB in the current system.
To sum up, I think it is hard to change the way people play. I think Alert Haynesworth excelled in the Titans’ 4-3. He hasn’t done much in a different scheme. Could Deion have played cover 2? Maybe, but he would have had to become a better tackler. Do you think he would have?
:-)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
No, I don't think he would.
Deion definitely needed to be in a defense where he covered his man. I’m not certain Jenkins is in the class of Deion, however, though your comparison of their tackling techniques brought a smile. Deion made some “business decisions” as well, but then he shut his man down in exchange.
You make some cogent points, as usual. I get what you’re saying about the schemes and personnel fitting the schemes. Jenkins might feel more comfortable playing man, but I don’t see that he was having that great a season when Wade was here blitzing and running man most of the time.
Guess we’ll know more next year when we see who is the DC and what they run.
Have a Happy New Year.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Dec 31, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Wade was blitzing and not getting to the QB
If you’re going to take that risk as often as he did, it had better pay off more than not, because when it does, it is good. When it doesn’t, it can be disastrous.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
True dat, true dat
In business, as in war, there are no bad teams, only bad leaders.
Money.
"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson
Wow...
you are giving a lot of credit to a lot of dumb players on defense…(i.e Ball…Jenkins.) You’re going to blame that all on Garrett?
...AND
it HAD a Pro Bowl QB who got injured half way through Game 6…I guess you can factor that in too.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
And they were 1-5 at that point in time...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Which had been blamed on poor preperation, leadership, and accountability
All of which Garrett has taken head on since being promoted to Head Coach. I agree with Jerry, I wouldnt put the blame on Garrett for that loss. Its nearly impossibly for any team to overcome two pick six’s, but we did. His offense got us back in the game. His team didnt quit, they fought back. I dont see that happening before he got here
Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.
by I am a Romosexual on Dec 30, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Are there losses you wouldn't put the blame on Wade for too?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Oh I remember...
but the team was coached by Wade Phillips. I am sure you remember too. If you don’t think that Garrett is changing the culture around here, then I don’t know what else to tell you. This team had every reason to tank it after that Green Bay game. Give Garrett a full season and then draw your opinion/conclusion. I am willing to give him a chance. You have to start somewhere.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
So, in your mind, the coach should be getting 100% of the blame/credit for team performance?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
No..
I never said that. What I do say is that Garrett resurrected a team that was DOA and now they are playing despite nothing to play for. His way doesn’t mirror JJ’s like you want it to, but I think Garrett is the real deal in his own right. This team could very well be 7-0 from “his” day 1, but the players prevented him from accomplishing that. If anything, I blame the players.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
They're 4-3
It’s not a winning percentage that makes me sit up and take notice.
If Wade got them to 4-3 over the last 7 games and had them playing with passion and fervor, I’d still be calling for his head. Wouldn’t you?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
IF Wade...
he’s not here anymore. I can hardly fault Garrett when he increased the scoring from 20 to 31 on his watch, all with a back up QB. He is just getting started putting his stamp on the offense. Although not being dealt the best hand 4-3 is better than the first 8 games.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, that stone cold killer Sean Payton.
Went 0-4 to open ’07 with a guy who had been a 1st-team All Pro at QB the prior season. Hindsight is lovely but I wonder what kind of qualities were being attributed to him at that point. “Flash in the pan fancy pants offensive guru boy blunder?”
Jimmy went 1-15 in year one
Does that make him any less the coach we’ve built him up to be?
How about Bellichick missing the playoffs after winning 2 blings in a row? Does that devalue him?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
That 1-15 roster would've been crappy by Canadian league standards.
Play fair and sensible. Those underachieving or slightly undermanned Saints teams were still talented enough to finish right around or right at .500.
Bellichick actually missed the playoffs after the first Super Bowl win. The three-peat bid was ended by the Broncos in the Divisional round.
Besides; Super Bowl Champ versus Conference Title Game runner-up……night and day. Also 7 out of 9 playoff appearances for Bellichick including that unfathomable 11-5 on opening day after Brady went down that would’ve achieved a playoff berth in any other year while Payton already has two playoff non-qualifiers on his resume in an NFC that hasn’t always been that deep.
Of course, Bellichick was abysmal in his first go-round in Cleveland but I don’t see anybody achieving the same standards he’s set for that Patsies organization.
LOL
Maybe so.
I’d say there’s a difference in NE in that Bellichick had Pioli and they developed a player acquisition strategy that was unique and continues to keep Bill B’s cupboard stocked with young, talented stars on both sides of the ball.
Payton is simply the Head Coach in NO and Mickey Loomis, while a bright guy in his own right, has spent more time on mouthpieces and glare-resistant visors than a novel approach to acquiring picks and players.
The Saints metamorphosis is not unlike the one Jimmy made happen in the 90’s IMO, save for the fact that Payton has had a much more limited role in personnel.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
by that loss i mean arizona...
Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.
by I am a Romosexual on Dec 30, 2010 11:30 AM CST reply actions
Let's say Dallas loses to Philly
JG is 4-4.
Fisher is there saying he can bring Mangini over as DC and your favorite OC (do you like Heimerdinger?) as OC.
How do you say no to that if you are Jerry?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
don't know much about Heimerdinger
what’s your thoughts?
Well, he was credited with McNair's best years and the offense improved dramatically when he took over from Chow
Heimerdinger is a guy who believes in balance.
The problem with Fisher is that he is a 4-3 guy and I think that will work against he and Fox unless one of them can bring a DC like Capers or Mangini who know the in’s and out’s of the 3-4.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Another problem is...
Six trips to the playoffs in 17 years. Those numbers speak volumes…not a great track record for a guy who is considered a top level coach.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
in defense of Fisher..........
the Titans have a history of getting good players and then letting them go in FA because the owner is too cheap to keep them.
True....
however, Fisher has been in a few big games himself and came out on the losing end. #1 seeds and homefield advantage included. Sure he made it to a Super Bowl albeit with the help of a Miracle play along the way.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
Did he really have the talent on both sides of the ball to be in those games?
Bellichick was never in any big games in CLE.
Maybe Fisher got more out of his rosters than we know…
I look at how his teams played the game. were they flagged a lot? Did players know their assignments? Did they execute well and just get beaten by better talent?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
can you imagine the fit our fans would've thrown...
after that 4/5 turnover baltimore game? In a game where you are physically better than the other side and lose on turnovers, some of which I remember to be careless?
To be fair, the Titans have never been big players in Free Agency
I think Fisher’s teams have always played better than I expected them to.
Think about the disparity in household names Fisher has had in 17 years versus the ones the coaches in Dallas have had to work with.
He’s coached in a division against arguably the greatest QB of all time (see what I did there?) who has owned it for over a decade and still found a way to be a tough out for any conference or non-conference foe.
Fisher’s a good coach with a good pedigree. I don’t know if he is right for Big D, but he’s a good coach nonetheless.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'll buy that...
however, during that time period, the greatest QB of all time was having problems winning his first playoff game…so Fisher had his chances…not a big time coach.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
He had Jim Mora as his coach
Let’s cut him a little slack, shall we? We certainly do that for Romo.
In that same vein, do you think Philip Rivers is any less of a QB because he hasn’t won much in the playoffs?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
the Titans did come within one yard
of winning the Super Bowl.
They came a yard within a tie...
it was 23-16…unless of course they planned on going for 2.
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
my memory must be going bad.......
anyway, they played the Great Show On Turf much better than anyone thought they could.
They had all the momentum
Mike Jones saved the Rams.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
So you're saying...
you blame the coach more than Peyton?
by TheCowboyFan on Dec 30, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Peyton was maturing and striving for perfection
His nemesis, Bellicheat, did to him what Jimmy did to Brett Favre during our glory years.
In my book, you need quality and continuity at the GM, coach and QB spots. If you have that, you have the basis for a team that can contend for a title.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
so the question is........
does Garrett and Romo strive for perfection or are they content to just win some games but not get to the dance and win it all?
This is a little bit of a headache.
Not just you but everyone on the subject.
I can’t answer for Romo, but what head coach doesn’t want to win it all?
I don’t mind the questions “do they have what it takes” but geez doesn’t every coach and players(most at least) want to win a Super Bowl?
I wish the end of the season would just get here and this be sorted out, the analyzation of all of this is just becoming crazy.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
sorry man.........
but Peyton Manning is a student of the game and he watches tape non stop. He’s actually obsessed with perfection. Bellicheak watches countless hours of tape. I really don’t know JG but my question is will he be content to just win like Wade appeared to or is he driven to fix things and stand up to Jerry? I’m ready for this season to be over like you so I guess I’ll just go and watch my Spurs.
So when did this perfect postseason ever occur?
That’s he studied for and strived for all these years? Oh, QB’s have had flawless postseasons over the past fifteen to twenty years; names like Montana, Aikman, Young and even Brees last season. I mean that other Manning was basically mistake-free in his Super Bowl run save for a pick off a bungled pass that wasn’t really his fault. But Peyton; never achieved anything close to postseason perfection. So what kind of message does that send to the kiddies?
Don’t study those game tapes, because you’ll never be as clutch as that one scumbag who spends as much free time fiddling with co-eds as you do studying game tape?
As far as Bellicheck goes, again there’s only one of him out there.
But Peyton has had one thing
Himself.
He’s never had a stud defense (or even one that created turnovers consistently) he could rely on, never had a trustworthy running game to help keep opponents off balance.
I see Philip Rivers getting to that same point. Fantastic talent surrounded by mediocrity.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Dude. Edgerrin James?
Or I’m sure you meant to say both a top notch running game and killer defense at the same time. Fair enough.
Although they did cause turnovers aplenty in the postseason in which they won it all. And that they crammed the ball down the Bears throat running it in the Super Bowl. Though in a roundabout way Peyton should be given credit for understanding there was no need for him to even try to be the hero on a day where Gross Rexman would go full-on retard and blow the game eventually.
They played the league's #1 defense in that game and the weather also had an impact
You’re right that Edge had a few good years there. I think most of that is due to the fact that you had to sell out to get to Peyton if you wanted to win.
But didn’t that defense give up chunks of yardage against the run every year?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Which is why Peyton played a smart game.
AND the Colts running attack did their job and then some rushing for nearly 200 yards in that Super Bowl.
As for Edge, I thought he was right there with Martin and Faulk as best back in the league when he started out until some cataclysmic knee injuries derailed him. But he did eventually recover from those to put up back-to-back 1,500 yard seasons in his last two seasons as a Colt.
I hate Edge
…but mostly because of what he did to Cad McNown and my Bruins once upon a time.
He had a ridiculous game that year.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
What I remember from that game.
Is UCLA got jobbed by a brutal fumble the refs called down by contact.
Edge ran wild on them
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Peyton may not have had those things..
but in the superbowl run, they carried him. And I do mean carried – he posted some really poor performances that postseason.
...which is pretty much always the case when you're all your team has
DC’s key on you. They force you to do something else to beat them.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Again
Listen to what he said about the kicker after the last game when asked about his consistency;
JG’s version: Well, at times he shown consistency and at other times, he has been inconsistent.
Jimmy Johnson’s version: that player is no longer a member of the Dallas Cowboys. Next question.
Okay, I kid, but the gist is that Jimmy would fry a kicker for less.
How about the Redskins’ loss?
JG: Well, in the end, we DID close them out.
Jimmy: MOTHER F#$%#$%^ SON OF A #$%%$^!!!! I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT %%$%^#$ SECONDARY IS GONNA RUN LAPS UNTIL THOSE FU#$%#$S PUKE THEIR GOD-#$%^$%^& GUTS OUT ON THE PRACTICE FIELD!!! Next question.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Oh I think this may take some time, my friend...
I think Jerry will wait to see all the candidates on the market and this thing could get ugly if JG’s ego tells him that he should be anointed while Jerry is out interviewing Gruden and Cowher and Fox and Fisher and others.
Stay tuned for drama…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I don't think that's going to happen.
Before the senior bowl Jerry will announce his coach, and then riiiiight before the Super Bowl the rest of the staff will be hired.
I honestly don’t know if Jason Garrett is the guy for the job or not, but I don’t think he has done anything to make me think he definitly isn’t.
I don’t think the rest of those guys you mentioned are either.
I do think that this is getting out of hand with the analyzation of Garrett. How much can you know about a guy from 7 games as a head coach and press conferences?
Everybody, including media, says that he’s hardnose behind the scenes. All you can do is go on hearsay.
This might seem defensive of him but 80% of the people on this board right after Wade was fired wanted to see a team that fought hard and hoped that they could pull a 4-4 record out it. NOW though because Garrett has had success it’s like he’s made the bar higher for himself.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
hey I don't pretend to know anything.....just speculation....
I do know one thing for sure. I’m tired of losing and tired of the same old crap every year with Jerry. I do think that Garrett will make a good HC from what LITTLE THAT I KNOW. I just don’t know if it’s here because of his affiliation with Wade and Jerry. It’s more of a culture thing. The only way that any coach will be successful for the Cowboys is if he is given the authority over the roster and over his own coaching staff.
Not directing it at you specifically.
As much as I want for Dallas to win a Super Bowl, I think I’d rather take a chance with Garrett then have to see him possibly land somwhere else and be successful.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Visions of Payton again, eh?
You can’t go into this with your nuts in your throat, IF.
You have to pick the right guy!
You gotta have a KILLER INSTINCT (ooh, me so good)!!!!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
That's fine...
but I don’t know who the right guy is and he could be under your nose.
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Maybe
But I think Jerry has to look at this as hiring 3 people, not just one.
He has to hire a HC, OC and DC.
What if Fisher, who he likes, brought Mangini and McDaniels with him?
If you hate Fisher, what if Cowher brought Keith Butler and Josh McDaniels?
What if any coach could assemble that kind of staff?
Would you still vote in favor of Garrett and some lesser-known DC and OC?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Well one..
I don’t think the OC is going to particularly matter if Garrett is in charge. I’m pretty sure he’ll be calling the shots. But it isn’t as if he doesn’t have connections.
It isn’t like Garrett can’t get a DC. I think if he had it his way he would love to bring Dom Capers in, but of course that would all be on the precedent of him not being resigned by GB.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
I think Capers is a lock to stay in GB
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
But once again...
I’d rather have a Harbaugh.
I’m not really big on these retreads. I’m not even sure if there is a guy out there that will be up in Jerry’s face.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Grimm would
Offensive Line guys seem to make for good coaches.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Maybe.
I don’t know that though.
If Garrett keeps the job, which I think he probably will, I’d personally love to see Sporano brought back over as an OC/Assistant Head coach.
Also I think that would be a great time to go after Mike Nolan.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
I could go for that.........
My main concern in all this that whoever is the head coach should get the authority to bring in his guys to be successful. Not some staff that Jerry brings in for you and tells you to make it work i.e. Campo,Houck, Garrett. This was unfair to Wade from the get-go. If Jason Garrett is the Coach he has to be able to stand up to Jerry and get his guys
That's true.
But I’d hope that Garrett would be able to bring in his own staff or whomever gets the job.
That being said, Wade ultimately got fired because his defense fell off the map, so he had plenty of chances.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Bad defense could have been made up for by an offense that scored frequently when in the RED ZONE!!!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
5....
come on man, while I agree one generally benefits the other, this is a defense that lets teams go 90 and 80 yards downfield at will.
Let’s not sugarcoat it.
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The red zone stuff isn't fiction
You can change the game by being up 21-0 but being up 13-0 still forces a defense to defend the run and the pass.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'm not saying it doesn't matter.
But that hasn’t been the case most of this year. There are numerous 3rd and longs that they give up, they know what is coming.
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They also have Alan Ball at FS
…and Campo coaching him.
It’s like London in the early 40’s. Bombs everywhere!!!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
yes Wade did have plenty of chances.....
but he should have never agreed to Campo, Houck, and Garrett. He was set up to fail under Jerry. It’s Wade’s personality-he’s a nice guy but not a great leader.
I don't think Winnie was ever asked if he agreed or not
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
sad but true..........
I just can’t believe that Wade could be that nice.
Let's compare that one then...
Take JG, Sparano and Nolan
or…
Grimm, McDaniels and Mangini
Choose wisely, IF…or your son might one day be posting on here with me and my name will STILL be 5Blings…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Sub Fisher or Fox for Grimm then...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
It'd be close I suppose.
The success of Bellichick disciples hasn’t exactly been great either.
You could argue that Crenell and Weiss have had their best seasons away from Bellicheck this year.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
The KC staff is stacked
They have a young team too.
If they get some stud pass rushers and more evolved deep passing game, watch out.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
It was actually Switzer's versions who went 2-0 against Favre.
In the postseason. Jimmy got Favre in his 2nd playoff start.
What I’ll give Peyton is that if your team is in the playoffs every single year you’re bound to eventually have enough factors come together to win the big one. Even though I’d even take Rapeburger with the ball in his hands last he does have to be scrutinized for suffering the dreaded Super Bowl hangover not once but twice.
I think Jimmy's teams beat Favre in the regular season, didn't they?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yeah.
But Switzer started off 5-0 against Favre, too; which has very little to do with any genius game plan he came up with obviously. Which brings up an even better point probably; namely that Jimmy had crafted such a monster they were still much for the up-and-coming Packers; even led by the substitute teacher huckster that was Switzer.
And that personnel wise the Packers defense just didn’t match up very well at all with the Cowboys skillplayers or monstrous line whether they were facing Johnson and Aikman or Switzer and Garrett.
Didn't Reggie White get a concussion from Erik Williams' relentless headslaps?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Probably.
Williams was just as nasty as Haley and the fact that he neutralized the best defensive lineman of all time was a bigger point in the Cowboys favor than anything else in that rivalry.
I loved EW
He set a nasty tone.
Stepnoski was so damed smart. 265 pounds and stuffing bull rushes from guys 30 pounds heavier with just angles and leverage.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Blings, you play devil's advocate better than anyone
Dream sceneros are fun and all but if we lost to philly, with our 3rd string QB vs their playoff bound team I dont think Jason should be faulted for that. Im not saying wins loses should be sorely rested on one person but as CBFan said
What I do say is that Garrett resurrected a team that was DOA and now they are playing despite nothing to play for. I dont think Jeff Fisher on the table would be more enticing than Jason Garrett. You discredit Garrett for having no rings. How many rings does Jeff fisher have?
Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.
by I am a Romosexual on Dec 30, 2010 1:58 PM CST reply actions
the quote should end after "nothing to play for" . . .
my apologies
Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.
by I am a Romosexual on Dec 30, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
No worries, I got it...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Where did I discredit Garrett for having no rings?
I thought we agreed that he has 2 from his role as a backup on the 90’s teams?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Let's consider some of the potential suspects...
Fisher – he’s been discussed
John Fox – another guy with limited success but also limited resources and backing
Marvin Lewis – no, just no…
Russ Grimm – his name was bantered about for a while last year…has his star fallen?
Jim Harbaugh – young guy with a great record in the collegiate ranks and success with young QB’s…someone is going to hire him and he will jump if Luck declares
Kirk Ferentz – isn’t it time this guy made the jump?
Marty Mornhinweg – he’ll never be viewed more favorably than RIGHT NOW
Dom Capers – safe bet he gets a HC job somewhere that wants to go 3-4 or is trying to improve their existing 3-4
Who am I missing?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
The D coordinator of the Giants...
and possibly Rob Ryan.
None of those other guys really spark my interest.
Dom Capers didn’t exactly light the world on fire as a HC before, not that it means anything because one could say the same thing about Bellicheat but didn’t we just have a really good DC that was miscast as a HC?
Of the guys on that list I’d rather have Harbaugh.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
I knew we were of like mind.
I just have a thing for him. However (isn’t there always a “however”?), I wonder if he has the cajones to do in Dallas what Tuna and others could not?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
we just don't know enough
to answer that question, or better yet – know if its the right question to ask. Jerry gave Parcells more control over personnel than usual because he was such a big name and Jerry was desperate. If Harbaugh walks into the interview and says I want control, Jerry Jones will probably tune him out.
If you want someone to challenge Jerry, it will have to be someone he respects, like Cowher or Fisher. I don’t think hes going to take a backseat to a young HC and hand over his life’s work to them
And the other issue is do you want your HC having complete control over personnel? There is a reason teams have separate owner/GM/HCs
ignoring Jerry's role in our organization...
I would LOVE Harbaugh as a coach. But at the same time, I think its hard to make an argument for him vs. Garrett. Garrett seems to have similar qualities.
Let's theorize here...
Jerry’s role will change a bit. Stephen’s will too. What if there is a third head in that room who then becomes the guy with a lot of personnel input that a Harbaugh likes and trusts? Does that change your view?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
yes
I don’t know who that guy would be, but yes.
Matt Millen!
Okay, kidding…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Talk about doomed beyond Jerry.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
If you're having Harbaugh in...
for a sit-down, you’d best already have conceded that final HC say’s in his hands. And perhaps more, given our mess. He ain’t flying into Jerryland for a chat without that understood from the get-go. The man’s got other, possibly better from his point of view, options on the table.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
There are no better coaching jobs than the Dallas Cowboys...
and don’t believe this stuff about overbearing owner will chase away a good candidate crap.
Any HC worth their salt would listen to what Jerry has to say.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Define "better"...
your bias is showing. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
If you want to coach in the NFL
…there are certain jobs that you aspire to.
Dallas is certainly at the top of that list of jobs any coach would want.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Man, it's really showing now...
Sure the Cowboys HC is a definite gem in the crown, but it isn’t to everybody’s tastes. You don’t think a bright guy like Harbaugh would look at, say, NE vs Dallas, now, today, not 25-30 years ago, and say “You know, there’s a place I could see myself”. Or Chicago, where there’re roots with the McCaskey’s beyond the idea of returning to your team, the grand-daddy of teams. Or stay in the Bay Area, rebuild SF with the level of control you aren’t going to get here most likely, not with trust it’ll be there long-term. Or your old alma mater, for someone who wasn’t ruled by the bright lights, big cash BS. Not saying he’d stay college, but the options are there, big time, Mich and Stanford.
Top of the list? Dallas? Possibly, just barely. Possibly not at all. Not everybody sees the glittering fantasy anymore, Blings. They don’t see, I can’t even bring myself to utter the term, that media-garbage “Am——’s T—m” BULLSHIT, that BS. Some see a severely messed up situation they’d want no part of. Not when they’ve other options that suit their personal value-systems more appropriately. Their aspriations in personal development and being who they are beyond the all-show-no-go we’ve become.
Comes down to what a man finds of worth. Is it material value? Or something less tangible, something more worthwhile?
Top of the list. Horsesh!t.
Your bias is showing. Big time. No offense.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
America's Team gets America's Team's coach
It just works out that way.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Campo
’nuff said.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
But that's not an indictment of the job, it's an indictment of Jerry
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I agree.
I don’t know if its THE best job, but it’s top 3.
You still have the best stadium in the world with one of the best histories.
You win a Super Bowl with the Rams it’s one thing, you win a Super Bowl with the Cowboys and it’s another.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
...and you get an owner who will give you whatever you need to win
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Almost. He still needs to work on the "giving" part...
Esp. regarding authority.
And yes, I’m going to harp on “Me”/“We” till he shows he’s gotten it. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I meant that there's no player he won't pursue to get a HC the roster addition he wants
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Knew what you meant...
and what you were referring to without you saying it. Just as I’m sure you’d suspect (leave me an opening to?) I’d blow it up into a strategic context. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
but he will also pursue a player the head coach does not want
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Yep, one of the "problems"
Which, fancy that, brings me back to responsibility/authority, “giving”, “Me”/“We”. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
No
I think that is over…especially with JG’s storied history with he-whose-name-we-shall-not-speak.
Locker room character, people who buy in, team-first.
That’s where Jerry is heading and Stephen will push him there.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Cr!pes I hope you're right...
This year right. Not pushing Jerry in a wheelchair right.
I need to see to believe. Despite everything we talk, write and hope.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
If Jery can choose his head coach's staff (which you have been concerned about and rightly so) why can't he choose players the coach does not want?
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I dont think Jerry thinks he failed in picking Wade and JG
I think he believes he failed by bringing Owens in without getting Tuna’s buy-in and he doesn’t like to duplicate what he thinks are mistakes.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
It's an indictment of the Cowboys...
That Jerry and the franchise are one-and-the-same in that respect is just the way it is at present.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
And you didn't define "better", to boot
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
That is correct
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Avoidance issues
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
You sound like every girlfriend I've ever had...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Maybe they had a point. Like mine did.
;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
BTW
Perry Fewell is not likely to get a job after the late season collapse.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Well hell
there is probably going to be 8 job opening this season, someone has to get hired.
And I don’t blame Fewell completely for that. When you have a QB turning the ball over 20+ times a game.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
That pass rush disappeared in key moments
I don’t think his schemes were very difficult to figure out.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I think after 2 DCs have failed with that group..
you really have to question the Giants players. I see a bunch of Mike Jenkins in terms of attitude/approach on their roster.
Spags got them playing at a high level
The next two were not right for the job.
I think letting Antonio Pierce go was stupid.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I think Peirce had leadership qualities they now lack...
but to be blunt, he was going to be the Keith Brooking of their defense, and I’m not sure how much that would help them
Brooking helped us a ton last year
Jeter is more valuable to the Yankees as a team than his .270 BA.
Leadership, the fiery leadership needed to make it through a brutal schedule like the one in the NFL, is always at a premium.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I like Rob Ryan
I think the guy is the smarter of the twins.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yep.
The Jets look like a quick out this year under his brother.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
No pass rush whatsoever
His defense needs a Terrell Suggs.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
they did last year too...
just saying. Don’t equate regular season success with playoff success.
They also had a shutdown defense last year.
This year they do not.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
They had a high character team last year. This year? Did their acquisitions hurt them?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I don't know about that....
Edwards was on it last year and he’s not exactly what I would call high character.
The Jets offense is better than last year, so if you’re talking about character I guess you could blame Cromartie, who hasn’t been very good this year.
Me? I just think they have had some injuries that they don’t have enough depth to overcome.
I think teams are also starting to just figure out that the Jets have to blitz to get pressure. Good qb’s that run with multiple sets have been killing them.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
They have no pass-rushing OLB that scares anyone...
but they are better this year. Their record proves it.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I think...
they were rather overrated going into the year. Sanchez, after a very good start, has looked questionable, as he did last year. They got too much press, like we did. Injuries have hurt them too.
But we’ll see in the playoffs. Some qbs/teams just seem to raise their game when it matters. We’ll see if they fall into that category.
Hmmm
Some qbs/teams just seem to raise their game when it matters
Was that a dig on Romo?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
no its more of a credit to qbs like Warner, Ben and Brady.
and teams like the Ravens (3 playoff wins the last two years including 2 “upsets”) and Steelers.
The teams on the other side of that coin would be the Chargers, Colts, Cowboys and Giants – teams that have generally underperformed.
I don’t think Romo has underperformed in the playoffs, I just don’t think hes raised his game the way the above 3 have/did. Which puts him in the same category as McNabb, Eli, Peyton (2009 season notwithstanding) and Rivers.
Makes sense...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'll add the following
Jack Del Rio -hmmmm
Gary Kubiak – maybe an OC candidate, but not HC
…and here’s one that may shock people;
Tom Coughlin – I need to give this one some thought
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Coughlin has gotten the most out of a few 10-6 and 9-7 teams.
But also crashed and burned twice with top seeded teams.
great post. great post
you nailed it, killer instinct! i would love the cowboys to be the most hated, and feared, team of the nfl
We've always agreed on this, you and I
Do you cast your vote for JG or someone else to lead us there?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
garrett has been making better than i thought, i even like him but to be honest he's not that guy, he's smart but he isn't fiery
you have to know i hate billicheat but this team needs a billichick-type coach, smart and rough, always on the quest to be better, perfection, someone who would run up the score whitout hesitating if the other team earned it with trash talking or somethnig, if michael irvin were smarter he would be my choice, i would like him to coach WR’s or something but i think he eventually would eat garrett, and you don’t want players turning against the HC or seeing him like they saw wade
This made me laugh
if michael irvin were smarter he would be my choice
O…M…G
Can you imagine it?!?!?!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
hahah yes, well i mean i guy like him, right now he couldn't be that guy
besides the fact that he would need to be smarter haha, but someone like him, but smarter, meaning nut just on football also a guy being smart enough to not be kind of singletary, singletary is fiery but he also needs composure
How'd you spell that again? For the candidate list...
I-r-v…
;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Hat Tip of The highest degree sir
great post, rec’d.
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That's high praise coming from you
I appreciate it.
So, since Paul Alexander left no hanging chad on his ballot, who do you like to coach Dallas next year?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I am, and always will be in the JG camp.
I’ve been citing his leadership abilities for the last few years and think I was proven right with the immediate turnaround of the team. Now, there are plenty of bad apples I think will need to be thrown out, starting with the entire defensive coaching staff. I think every unit on the defense is subpar, save for DeMarcus Ware and Ratliff. That has to be somewhat on the coaches.
With a off-season and a training camp, I think Garrett’s stamp will be so obvious that in a few years we’ll be talking about he’s the new Landry. I just hope Jerry doesn’t screw it up.
With that said, I also think that there are numerous other candidates out there that could be great coaches and plan to start doing that research soon. I think the retread phenomenon keeps teams from making progress.
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+1 Jerry has to at least give him a full season to work with, especially if that season is shortened by a lockout.
During the Colts game, there was a shot of JG strolling the sideline and a Cowboys buddy said “put a suit and fedora on him and someone might think that’s Landry’s son”‘. Calm, cool, collected. That certainly wasn’t hotheaded Jimmy’s way, but it served Landry well, and hopefully, now, Garret. Nice post as usual, btw, blings.
Thanks Cypher
I’ll challenge you a bit on this. I don’t think Jerry feels like he owes JG anything at all.
He probably feels like he has to pick the guy he thinks will elevate the team to the level that allows them to contend for a bling.
That may be JG. It may be someone else.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I smell sulphur or...
I find myself thinking about a dynamic duo of sorts…and it isn’t who you might think.
horsesh!t.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I have no idea how to respond to that....
:-)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Let's try something simpler...
first.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!I take it from this you see Harbaugh as your latter-day Johnson and preferred candidate. Correct?
Who’s your latter-day Irvin?
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Player to be named later
aka probably not present on this roster.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You failed to answer the first question
As for the second, yes, I suppose hindsight’s 20/20 would make it clearer. ;
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I can't compare him to Jimmy
It’s unfair to anyone who would assume that role.
What I HAVE seen from Harbaugh, I really like. He made USD a powerhouse in his conference and groomed a kid (I think his name was Josh Johnson) into a star in the West.
He took over Stanford and in no time at all has them ranked in the top 5 (this is the Harvard of the West, mind you) and has a bunch of no-name’s playing like world-beaters.
Yeah, I like him. He comes from the right coaching tree. He’s played for a true SOB coach. His brother has done well in Baltimore.
All signs point to YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Fair enough...
My intent was not a direct comparison, more of who you saw in a similar vein and role. Merely confirming the validity of what my perception of your view is. Asked and answered.
Since a single goading failed to circumvent your evasive maneuver, I’ll leave the second (for now). Other than to say, perhaps a player exists on the roster already too. One that, should we not pick up one you may have in mind there may yet be an alternative in place. Regardless, I seriously doubt either would be Michael’s equivalent.
Concerning sulphur or horsesh!t, as I read your intro and reached the quoted sentence, I’d no doubt who you’d be speaking of. I’d have been surprised if it had been otherwise (and my self-muttered word at that point would not have been my initial comment). Thus, I had to call horsesh!t and if the manner and intent left you somewhat puzzled, all the better. ;) Must keep you on your toes, after all.
I was pleased yet again in reading another of your perspectives, in seeing your insight and appreciation for what this franchise has given us over the years. A fine article, Blings. Fitting tribute to the duo and the one they were, in a sense. To what those two unique and priceless individuals gifted us with in being Cowboys. Together.
Well done.
ps. - I take your puzzlement in how to initially respond as high compliment, esp. considering whom I’m dealing with. ;
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
As a matter of fact...
since then, I’ve been wondering if there’s not, in fact, a duality to your duo.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
You failed to answer the first question
As for the second, yes, I suppose hindsight’s 20/20 would make it clearer. ;
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
How about the combo of Harbaugh as HC, Mike Nolan as DC and Brad Childress as OC?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
very interesting- from a coaching fantasy perspective
although I really hate Childress’ – I don’t know enough about their situation in Minny to know how much Favre’s year was forced on him by ownership. I know I didn’t like anything about how he handled it. I could do without him.
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by KD Drummond on Dec 31, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
He led a pretty potent attack last year (we know that all too well, unfortunately)
I’ve always thought his play calling was pretty unpredictable. He put multiple hurts on us in Philly too.
Personally, I love how he clipped Moss. A thing of beauty.
The guy did well when he had a good QB and not so much with guys like Tarvaris Jackson. But TJ is a Quinthy Carther clone.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
How about Jeff Fisher, Eric Mangini and Mike Heimerdinger?
as HC, DC and OC respectively.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
if Holmgren lets Mangini go- I would love it
but it would be a rental- Mangini will definitely get a third chance if he’s let go of in Cleveland. I soured on him from the Jets, but maybe he was like Belicheck- had to work out the kinks. Cleveland plays hard pretty much every week with NO quarterback.
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by KD Drummond on Dec 31, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Mangini that is, lukewarm on Fish
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by KD Drummond on Dec 31, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
I think Mangini may get another shot, but it will be 2-3 years before that happens
In the meantime, you get a top flight coordinator with high structure and high accountability who could get this defense doing what we need them to do.
What if McDaniels came as the OC???
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
hate everything about McDaniels
no thanks
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Okay, pick your OC of choice...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
McDaniels
. . . would fit the bill … kind of like that ex fat guy Notre Dame guy did in KC now expected to be heading back to the college ranks.
I like McDaniels as an OC. He's too young and foolish to be a HC...
but is he too pass-happy?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
F&B - looks like Peyton/Brees is you contemporary version
With Peyton being the silent assassin more than the Fiery Dictator. You really see his demeanor projected outwardly, toward the opposition, than his own team – inflicting death by 1000 cuts. Brees is the emotional leader as well as an extension of his coach on the field. Interestingly, I never saw Troy a an extension of Jimmy, but more of Norv.
I see JG much more in the Landry mode, which makes his selection of Coordinators so important – Landry had Stautner and later Ditka to do the F&B for him. D Moore on DMN states Capers is under contract and GB would have to give permission, which I couldn’t fathom why they would. Heimerdinger is undergoing cancer treatment, so his availability is questionable as well. Norv got the dreaded vote of confidence, so he’s not available. I am not sure, but I don’t believe any team is allowed to talk to coaches before the end of the SB.
Here’s mine:
JG/HC – Sparano/OC – MLewis/DC
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
Lewis is purely a 4-3 guy, isn't he?
How about Mangini instead?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Mangini's personality is abrasive
and not in the lovable Tuna way, more like the d-head Parcells way. And like his mentor, he’s failed initially, except without the corresponding success to follow. It does look like the players bought into him this year, so maybe he’s improving on that score.
I believe Lewis was the LB coach when Cowher’s 3-4D Steelers lost to DAL in ‘96. And I also think his BAL D that won a SB was a 3-4. I actually like the fact he’s coached both.
PS – if Sparano isn’t available or didn’t want to come back, how about Ray Sherman?
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
No
Sherman is a nice guy, but this team needs an X’s and O’s guy to take the pressure off of JG or he will end up like Winnie, coaching one side of the ball instead of being the chief of chiefs.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
...and I like Mangini
He can help Dallas develop a more team-first approach like the Pats have.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Can he?
And is he an X’s and O’s guy?
He isn’t running Clevelands defense and I think that Bellicheat calls the defensive plays for New England. I could be wrong on that though.
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I think he has what we need on D
Happy New Year, IF.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I Don't Expect Mangini
to be fired and if he is someone will snap him up as HC
Who would snap him up?
He’s been at odds with Holmgren over his OC’s grind-it-out style while Holmgren wants to run a West Coast offense.
That marriage is heading for the rocks.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Give me JG, Nolan, and and Sparano for my fantasy coaching staff.
Now if only Stephen Ross will nuke the staff in Miami to make it possible.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Yeah I might I have stolen it from you haha.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Too much importation from Miami
I am not a huge fan of Nolan’s.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
While we're all posting our dream coaching staffs...
Give me Cowher (HC), McDaniels (OC), and Capers (DC)
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
As much as I like Garrett as my first choice, I could really get behind this staff.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Thinking more about it though, I would want some additional consultant to help
evaluate talent for the offensive side of the ball. McDaniels worries me a bit in that respect.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
I think I'd rather have Fisher than Cowher
At least I think that Fisher would stick around for the longhaul. I mean he isn’t a spring chicken but I’d worry that Cowher would remember how hard coaching is in the NFL after a few seasons.
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Absolutely
The geezers struggle in their returns from the studio/booth.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Cowher would keep him in check.
But you could always just go back to Dan Reeves and say “okay, you don’t have to punch a time clock” or whatever Jerry was demanding that chased him off. He said in an interview that if this one little stipulation was removed from the contract he’d be with the Cowboys in a heartbeat. Of course, that would require Jerry admitting to making a mistake (ROFL).
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Capers isn't taking a lateral
In fact, he’s probably a HC candidate for several teams.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Sneaking suspicion...
Jerry’s considering Billick.
As much as I want one of two other guys, the thought’s kept cropping up from the get-go. Just unable to shake it.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I have had the same thought, don't know why
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looks like it may be a moot point
Lifelong Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
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I once wound up paired with T Dilfer's Dad
on a golf round at Pasatiempo in NorCal a few years back. He had been the HC at Fresno State which has turned out a few good QB’s.
Could not stand Billick, had absolutely nothing good to say about him – arrogant a-hole was about the nicest thing I can remember
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
So...you're saying he'd a perfect fit for these Cowboys?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Here's what scares me about JG as HC
First, he doesn’t have the HC cache, so Jerry will do to him what he did to Wade. He will pick the coordinators, he’ll have more say than he should in the personnel department and he’ll hold JG back.
Jerry could not do that with a larger personality who isn’t as deferent to him as JG will be.
Overall, this is bad.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
This, among other things, is one of the huge reasons I don't want Garrett.
But if reports are true it doesn’t matter because once again Jerry is going to do exactly the the opposite of what I want done. I can’t wait to see how he screws up FA and the draft this year.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
The scary part is that he's talking about building a "super staff"
THAT is the job of the HC, not the GM!!!!
I’m really pissed about this, not about player personnel decisions.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yeah, you would think.
Not in Cowboys land though!
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
So as has been suggested
JG should get himself some interviews at SF, CAR, etc. and see what kind of leverage that brings
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
Given that it seems Jerry has picked Garrett, who are the assistants that JERRY will hire?
Sparano, Nolan, Marvin Lewis, McDaniels, Mangini, Brad Childress, Who else?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Wow
Once again Bling, great post! It is scary to think that we may not have anyone to provide the Brimstone. Romo and Ware and Witten, they are great players and team leaders, but not in the same way Irvin was. I actually hope Romo took notes when he watched the tenacity with which Kitna dealt with players while on the field leading the hudle.
As for Assistant coaches, I like all the names you wrote (minus McDaniels and Childress. I would also prefer Zimmer over Lewis. I will just be happy if JJ lets JG provide the final list for approval.
"Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable."
"Leadership is a matter of having people look at you and gain confidence, seeing how you react. If you're in control, they're in control." - Tom Landry
Thanks Bro
Zimmer is a 4-3 guy. not my idea of a good fit for our scheme.
On the OC side, I like (in this order); McDaniels, Sparano, Chilly.
On the DC side, either Mangini or Ryan (tie), Nolan, Lewis.
But…I want Campo on the next bus out of Dallas.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I don't think an elite OC goes to Dallas.
Because they probably won’t be calling the plays. It’ll probably be more like Ray Sherman being promoted up to help with the play calling.
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Do you like that idea?
I think he needs to get out of that business and become the head man.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I think that there are alot of guys in the business that do it.
Mike Shanahan did it, Payton does it, Rex Ryan does it… I think that there needs to be someone to bounce ideas off of, but it’s going to be Garrett’s system I would think.
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That would suggest Sparano is a more likely choice than say, Chilly or Josh M
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Yep
Which I would have no problem with.
In fact I’m not real big on Chilly’s playcalling, the Vikings players thought that his offensive scheme was too conservative.
Josh McDaniels will want full reigns on an offense I bet, but he might be willing to take a lesser job considering that he’s got a pretty bad image right now.
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So Mangini or Ryan on the other side?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Ryan
If for no other reason than to give the old man nightmares. And there are other reasons.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Of his brother, Rex says this...
“He is the most creative guy in the league. He will know your tendencies from 2 years ago. He deserves a HC job in the NFL and just needs an owner with the guts to take a chance on him.”
I think IF is right. If rex continues to have success, Rob will get a shot. But maybe we get him for 2 years?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
He may well...
get that HC chance in short-order, 2011. If not, somebody’s going to get one helluva DC. Why not us? Look at Clev’s D performance. Now name me players. Says a lot.
It’s him and Capers as my interchangable top 2. Be great if whoever HC ends up being gets the clout and snags one of these guys right off the bat.
I’d take 2 years. Then go from there. In a heartbeat.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
It's just the prospect
of Buddy Ryan being escorted into Valley Ranch as a welcome visitor. It’s enough to tear the fabric of the space-time continuum. Or just really piss me off.
Only if Jimmy Johnson gets to do the tour, ‘Buddy, this is the electric stimulator we use to treat injured players.’ Zap. Thump. Problem solved.
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
Buddy'd proabbably shy away...
like Satan trying to enter a church. If he didn’t disown Rob outright.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Never thought of that
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I'll buy the ticket.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I'll help him pack
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Don't forget his Coaching for Dummies 1953 edition crib-notes.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Till it's official...
I’m sticking with the JG/JH being the wiser choice conundrum I’m in.
I’d say “better” but there’s an issue there.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Hehehe
:-)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
You're an almost-evil bugger sometimes.
Wager there’s no issue with who we’re pulling for in tonight’s game though. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Indeed
For obvious reasons…
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
How unsurprising that applies to both statements.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Okay, try this...
Garrett, Sparano and Rob Ryan.
Could that be the Bling-winning combination?
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
That would be...
my pick with the most realistic expectations of being formed.
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Agree on the realistic expectation idea
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Anything that keeps McDaniels out of Dallas is A-Ok in my book
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 3, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
But is he a bad coordinator just because he has the organizational awareness of a baby gorilla?
I dunno.
He’s had a potent offense at every stop and he even made Kyle Orton a fantasy stud WITHOUT Brandon Marshall or Eddie Royal.
That is saying something.
I think we have to look at coordinators like players. I don’t have to like them asl long as they help me win!!!
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
If it's going to be Garrett then I agree with OCC.
I don’t want McDaniels near this team because there’s too much lack of experience there at the top. If Cowher was the HC then McDaniels would be my first choice because Cowher has a lot of experience running a team in this league and would keep McDaniels in check.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
A baby gorilla??
Try Godzilla attacking Tokyo.
In short order, McDaniels drove away key players/personnel: Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall (granted he always was outspoken but Shanahan managed to keep him mostly in line), Tony Scheffler (who never was in any trouble previously) and Mike Nolan – and he came close to alienating Elvis Dumervil, his star defensive player.
I shudder at how he would handle Dez Bryant in Dallas.
McDaniels deserves to be fired for sheer incompetence, for awful people skills that have caused talent to leave the building, for some of the worst personnel decisions in the past two years, for losing games at a rapid rate. McDaniels has failed, and failed to epic proportions. Foxsports.
As you say, I’m willing to overlook a lot of stuff for a good OC, but this is a little too much.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jan 4, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
The role of head coach is much different than an OC, OCC (hehehe)
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
If it's got to be Garrett and there's no chance in hell we get somebody proven like Cowher...
Then I could live with this staff. Garrett had his best year with Sparano working beside him. I’d take Ryan as my second choice if Capers can’t be had.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
Why are you so hung up on Cowher?
He hasn’t coached in almost 5 years. I’m not saying that he wasn’t a great coach, but these coaches that come back after long layoffs generally don’t have great deals of success.
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I just think he's a good coach.
He’s got the track record to back it up (career winning percentage, division titles, a championship under his belt). He surrounds himself with good football minds. He’s a tough disciplinarian that is hard on his players when he needs to be, and he expects perfection. He’s a 3-4 guy. He’s the perfect fit in my mind.
Yeah, he hasn’t coached in a few years but (despite what our record says this year) he’s got a pretty good nucleus of players to work with, the Cowboys have a decent draft slot, and an owner that is willing to spend to put a contender out there. I think a tough, proven HC like him is the best chance we have at getting Jerry to pull his head out of his ass and getting this team turned around quickly. No doubt in my mind this year was an aberration and was mostly because there was nobody putting pressure on Jerry to make the necessary changes (or incorrectly swaying him to stand pat).
Garrett is an unknown commodity, and he was part of the coaching staff that took this team to a 6-10 season after coming off a year in which we went 11-5, won the division, and won a playoff game for the first time in over a decade. This team was supposed to be moving forward and instead threw it in reverse and backed right off a cliff. I’m not saying it’s all Garrett’s fault, there’s plenty of blame to go around. I’m just saying he was a part of the staff that got the team where it ended up this year and I’d hate to see him just handed the job over a couple of unimpressive wins when it no longer mattered, especially when there might be more experienced, proven, and qualified people out there in my opinion.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
I was never a fan of Cowher
He stuck with Krydell Stewart for far too long and cost that franchise a couple of titles when Kevin Greene and those beasts were at the top of their game there.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Cowher'd end up head-butting with Jerry a la Tuna
We’d be where we are now, lose 2-4 years and not have the options we do now. No thanks.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
He's not really a 3-4 guy though.
I mean he is, but that wasn’t his defenses that were going to Super Bowls or winning Super Bowls.
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Since we're in "if" land...
let’s go way out there.
Harbaugh, Garrett, Capers/Ryan.
By no means suggesting it’s remotely probable. But a man can dream.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
you forgot one........
Andrew Luck. Now that’s a huge dream-haha.
Figured it'd be a given with Harbaugh
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
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