2010 Disappointment Could Mean Changes For Kitna, Williams And Other Cowboys
With the season winding down and playoff implications removed from the Eagles contest on Sunday, the pulse of Cowboys news is slowly shifting to reflection and projection. You'll notice the draft and free agency talk pick up, and the debate over which players stay and which go will be as heated as any prior off-season. Two players that figure to have a lot written about them over the next few months are Jon Kitna and Roy Williams. The two have been teammates since 2006, Williams third in the league. Both are under contract for a few more years, however their impact since arriving in Big D are measured on completely different scales.
Kitna arrived prior to the 2009 season when Dallas traded cornerback Anthony Henry to Detroit. He sat for a healthy Tony Romo all of last season, then was thrust into action when Romo's clavicle was broken this past October. Prior to this season, Kitna signed a contract extension for the club to retain his services through 2013. Williams arrived a few months prior, October 2008, in a trade for draft picks. He was subsequently signed to a lucrative six year extension through 2014 for $54 million. Both players have injury concerns late in the season, with Williams just returning to the lineup last week against Arizona and Kitna just leaving it.
Jan Hubbard of the Ft. Worth Star Telegram reports that Kitna is still hurting something serious, but is going to try and gut it out Sunday against the Eagles.
Dave, who has this and other injury news here, doubts that Kitna will be able to go. Alot of fans would rather see McGee get more game experience, but you have to understand Kitna's mindset. He has gone his entire career without an offensive cast such as this. Romo is obviously the starter here, and who wouldn't want to maximize on the opportunity to start an NFL game at the age of 38? While he is under contract with the club through 2013, he isn't naive enough not to know that his clock starts ticking should McGee perform well. Kudos to Jon Kitna who has been a welcome addition to our beloved team.
Roy Williams on the other hand, may have put the nail in the coffin of his Cowboys career in an interview yesterday. Comparing himself to Michael Jordan, saying that Offensive Coordinators make stars out of receivers, Roy has become a master of deflection. Just ask Greg Toler, zing! Clarence Hill Jr, of the Ft. Worth Start Telegram provides his take on the underperforming players that will not make it back to Dallas in 2011.
Rainer Sabin of DMN reports Roy would love to be here, but could be happy somewhere else. He speaks to his second half swoon here.
So let's get to it, arm chair experts. Who do you think should be trimmed off the roster to help improve the Cowboys? We all know 'should' and 'will' don't always mesh in regards to our opinions and Jerry Jones', so if you think that Cowboys conventional wisdom differs from yours, speak to both lists.
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I also think Marcus Spears is coming back
but Bowen and Jason Hatcher may not
by AustonianAggie on Dec 30, 2010 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
+1
Spears a must & i bet we get him a gud price,,,
TNEW only bc who do we have to replace him? + he still hav sum juice left.. Kosier he okay while we groom another OG.. prob 2 years tops..
but JJ plz do not be foolish make correct moves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd bring Spears back
and keep Bowen or Hatcher. Run defense suffered without big Marcus. He does his job: eat up blockers and stop the run. Spencer looked better last year with him in there.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
we need to draft a stud DE that can play the run & pass
the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...
yeah, but how many picks do we get?
We need a lot of things on the roster and we can’t turn over 40 players. DE is really your priority?
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
i think Bowen makes it back before Spears or Hatcher
Spears has been servicable but nowhere what they expected when they drafted him in the 1st rd. now his knees are becoming a problem & Dallas was ready to trade him last year for a 4th or 5th rd pick tells a lot about his future. i think Bowen has been a better player then Hatcher but he would be the 2nd choice over Spears imo.
the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...
I admit, I was surprised to see Newman on Hill's cut list
IMHO, Newman will be back as well. Hopefully in a reduced role.
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keep newman if he re-works his contract,
same for RW but he needs to understand he is the no 3 receiver.
cut davis-olshansky-barber.
resign spears -bowen-hatcher.
let sensi go too.
colombo goes too,injuries have finished him.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Dec 30, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Newman is set to make something like $9mill next year.....
how big do you really think the dropoff from Newman to say McCann would be??? not to mention they could go out and sign a serviceable FA for a third of that money…
Barber has to go….i am convinced that he has naked pics of Jerry or worse….
go Kitna!
Cut/Trade/Keep/Sign/Demote/Re-try/Draft
Cut – Barber, Davis, Barron, Spears, Brooking, R. Williams
Trade: Bennett and Choice.
Keep: Kosier (one-year contract), Columbo, Newman, Buehler, and Ball
Sign: Logan Mankins and (competition for safety and ILB)
Demote: Columbo (to backup), Buehler (to kick off specialist), and Ball (to 3rd corner)
Retry: Spencer and Jenkins
Draft: Nick Fairley or Amukamara/Peterson.* If Amukamara/Peterson, demote Newman to third corner and cut Ball.
I keep Choice, trade Spencer and give Butler a shot
Ball, well..he has to go.
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why?
how can you trade choice and keep columbo? i like columbo’s heart, but he’s done. i’d give buehler a chance, but you’re sure you want to carry two kickers? and keep ball as 3rd corner – ahead of scandrick?
no issue with your cuts, sadly. i wish barber could bring something back in a trade, but i think he’s mostly done, especially with that big contract. the other guys are no huge loss. like the idea of bringing in help at S and ILB. but don’t forget OL – lots of OL.
i’m not that huge on kosier; he’s solid when he’s out there, but he gets hurt a lot. the only reason i’d keep him is because we can’t bring in 4 new OL starters at time.
Perhaps, I misspoke...
On the depth chart, Ball behind Jenkins, Newman, and Scandrick. Add a cornerback in the draft or in free agency and I could easily see Ball getting cut in TC.
Any list that includes Colombo and Ball as KEEPERS...
…is either sarcasm or an outright joke. I’m trying to figure out which.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
A little less drama please...
Assuming Young (or someone else not on the roster) takes over for Columbo, Columbo could remain as a backup or be cut. However, I wouldn’t cut him now without knowing for sure what competition there is going to be for that spot going into TC.
As for Ball, he was a serviceable corner before being converted to Safety. If we draft or sign another corner, Ball could be cut. I have him being cut if we draft either Amukamara or Peterson.
For starters
let’s getting the spelling right; Col-O-mbo, not Col-U-mbo.
Colombo is the veteran, past his prime, too slow to block, who grades near the bottom of the list of all NFL offensive tackles.
Columbo is the cross-eyed detective with a cigar, wearing a raincoat, whistling the tune “This Old Man”.
Neither of which should be on the Dallas Cowboy roster in 2011.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Haha
I was thinking the same thing keeping Ball or Columbo on this team for another year even as backups is a joke.
by cryinsilverblustars4eva on Dec 30, 2010 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
If you are going to cut Williams you better have another good WR
in mind because Hurd, Holley, and the new Williams won’t cut it. Keep in mind that your third receiver will get lots of playing time because Dez hasn’t proven that he can stay healthy and Miles had a down year. Rumor is that Breaston may be available out of Arizona so he would make a good 3rd WR if available.
Dez will be better prepared next year.
Plus, more urgent needs elsewhere for free agent money. So, I would promote Ogletree to 3rd Receiver.
K.O. supposedly came into camp
with a bad attitude and played poorly in pre-season.
but still RW run bad routes daily.........
hey im just sayin he’s a udfa & the kid cant come in like he made it?he made sum nice strides last year and he fought hard!!!!! The the kid really had 0 chance to redeem himself.. i guess the bigger the contract the longer JJ will keep u around…
I mean, KO only caught..what 6 passes last year?
And weren’t like, 4 of them screens?
I thought Holley looked great in Preseason, but I don’t know about fulltime 3rd WR. That’s a tough one, but I wouldn’t be upset if they gave KO the shot
I wanna see Teddy catch a pass this game, just to see it.
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I think you prepare for alot of things...
but not 3rd WRS. You can get decent 3rds in free agency that are cheaper and aren’t that much worse than Roy.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
exactly
Third WRs only mean anything to teams without great receiving TEs. Witten, Bryant and Austin can more than carry the load in that area in 2011 and beyond.
In Romo we Trust
I mean..
you might want to pick up someone decent, but definitly not spending 5 mil to get him.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
I didn't mean pay Roy 5 mil.......
I mean get him to re-work his contract. If he’s not willing then bye-bye. My main concern is can Dez stay healthy with his style of play? Also, I know I’m being harsh, but I’m not completely sold on Miles. I think he’s good but I don’t know if he’s elite. There’s a part of me that thinks Jerry showed him the money too soon.
Miles can be elite...
but he has to get over this case of the drops. Way too many for a #1 WR even with Romo.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
hope you're right........
I’ve seen enough dropped passes, passes bounce off of him into interceptions etc. Hopefully, it’s a bad year but he was doing the same thing when your boy Romo was in there.
T.O. used to drop many passes
but yet was considered elite. In any event, Miles will improve in that area, he’s a hard working kid, unlike most prima dona WRs.
In Romo we Trust
Just odd the guy kept getting nicks and bruises throughout ST and preseason..
even before that ankle injury. And before that he pretty much missed all of his last college football season. I’m not worried about Miles. He’ll work hard in the offseason.
No
But, I think his passion and the way he throws/contorts his body around making those highlight reel catches sets him up for injury more than other WR’s. It’s what makes him amazing to watch, but I’m hoping it doesn’t make him an injury magnet.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Dec 31, 2010 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
don't worry about Dez,
least of our worries.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Dec 31, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Most teams don't have two elite WR's.
Dez will be fine, Miles is really good too. I say you cut Roy, let him see what’s out there and if he wants to come back for a reduced price take him.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Dez will be elite if he continues like this year.......
Miles is really good but I don’t think he has the hands of Dez.
Dez
is a freak of nature though. He’s probably one of the top 3 players on the team already.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
I think he is
Miles is a very good and often great WR and I still think Dez is already better. Dez is some sort of WR mutant
by AustonianAggie on Dec 30, 2010 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Miles decline
in my perception has to do with the system wide decline of the Cowboys. Every person on the roster seemed less attentive, less passionate, and less focused at the beginning of the year. I think with proper leadership from the HC, this will change
And I think Garrett is that guy. But he needs to be HC, in charge of the physicality of the team’s practices.
by AustonianAggie on Dec 30, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
yeah and have you seen Blackmon
out of OK State? He’s similar to Dez. If he continues, he will be a stud too
i miss not seeing Dez on the field,
even his non catches were spectacular……
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Dec 30, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
This
even his non catches were spectacular
truer words were never spoken, Davie.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Hey Angus!! .
Hope you have a great new year .
aw the best fae glesga.
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"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Dec 31, 2010 5:55 AM CST up reply actions
Thank you, Davie.
And the same to you.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Dec 31, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
cheers bud. :)
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Dec 31, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
I raise a glass to ye
and all the best from Denton. : )
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Dec 31, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
aw the best to ye an yer kin :)
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Dec 31, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Roy is already raising his "eyebrows" at
taking a pay cut to stay.
"another good WR"?????
Are you suggesting that Roy is a GOOD WR, and that we need another GOOD one to take his place? I doubt that Roy is even in the top 50 WRs in the NFL (all things considered).
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Tom Brady plays with players who don't have many mental lapses
he can’t improve a guy not paying attention
by AustonianAggie on Dec 30, 2010 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
how can Brady make RW look good??
QBs making WRs “look good” is such nonsense. WRs still have to run good routes and catch the ball no matter who is throwing it to them.
In Romo we Trust
well not to get in an argument with you-haha......
but Deon Branch comes to mind. He was great when he played with the Pats. first time. He did awful when he went to Seattle. Now he’s looking very good again.
I think that's more chemistry based than anything.
Deion Branch isn’t a horrible WR either. I can make the argument that he’s better than Roy.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
I didn't mean that he's horrible
but Brady does make his WR’s look elite. Unfortunately, I think Roy is just Roy.
I've never seen any of NEs WRs look elite
What I see is an elilte QB making great throws to good WRs.
In Romo we Trust
Randy Moss
he’s elite in every book. And when they were going well together they terrorized the league
by AustonianAggie on Dec 30, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Ahhh...
but you said “I’ve never seen any of NEs WRs look elite”. That’s the reason you were jumped on in this case. There’ve been other times I noticed the same thing happen. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Brady doesn't make Branch look good
Branch is good, in Seattle he was severely limited with either an injured Hasselbeck or garbage at the qb position.
Obviously a WR needs a good qb to succeed no matter how good he is, Fitzy is a perfect example of that. With Warner he was unstoppable, with garbage at the qb position, he was a non factor this season.
In Romo we Trust
Good point
And Brandon Marshall in Miami hasn’t done a whole lot this year (in comparison to his standards/capabilities anyways) with Henne at QB – Henne blows
Dezth Star - Beware his Force
If you watch Marshall though...
he has quite a bit of drops and quits on routes. He seems like TO Jr. I’m surprised Ireland signed him. Must have been after Parcells left the building!
regardless of route..
if a Qb know how to get u the ball he will..
Just look at how Dez came up under Kitna.. then look at Miles..a fall off
u c… A Qb does mean a lot in the WR fortune as does a gr8 OC..
was welker a beast when he was in miami nope!!!!!!!!! but throw Tom brady in he’s a beast .. they gav Brady Moss and they did a perfect reg season and turned into monsters..
not true
Wrs have to run good routes for any qb to get them the ball…DBs in the league are too good otherwise.
And I’m not saying a WR doesn’t need a good QB to succeed, quite the contrary, but to say a QB can make any WR better is complete BS.
In Romo we Trust
QB can make a WR look better in getting them the ball...
but I agree with your main point. If you’re not a good WR in the first place, an elite QB probably isn’t going to make you much better. Look at Donte Stallworth. Lots of speed, but inconsistent. Caldwell and Gaffney caught more balls than Stallworth. Even Brady couldn’t make Stallworth look good.
the problem with RW is the fact they don have him running the routes that he can actually run..
where as any other place they would have him doing what pays off for them…
ex. Welker dont catch 40 yard bombs for brady .. just underneath stuff, but he will get 40 yards of yac from that throw if the Defense is not carefull.
Even Marucci from the NFL network show said they dont have him running the correct routes .. and he drafted the guy…
So like i said give RW into Brady wing he would succede bc Brady would had him doing what was best for them..
To be honest RW isnt that bad just isnt worth what we gave up for him and the price we are paying for him
Brady is only the QB, not the coach. He doesn't make those decisions.
bc Brady would had him doing what was best for them..
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
completely disagree
yes, the talent of a WR plays a large part overall. But absolutely does the chemistry between receiver and QB make a difference. You see it all the time when a backup quarterback gets in the game, the 3rd and 4th receivers start to make more noise. Why? familiarity from practice. Sometimes for whatever reason this happens.
It could be little nuances such as a hitch in the route that one QB notices and another does not. It could be confidence in a receiver that he’ll make that tough back shoulder catch so the quarterback does/does not throw it.
A lot can be said for WR’s being better fits with some QBs and some systems.
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I completely agree
but your argument doesn’t defeat my statement that a qb can make any wr look really good.
In Romo we Trust
well, that's probably because I didn't read it as that :)
I didn’t see the caveat of ‘any’ receiver in your post mi amigo
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I think this is huge:
I
t could be confidence in a receiver that he’ll make that tough back shoulder catch so the quarterback does/does not throw it.
It is a very mutual thing. Great receivers also make their QBs look better. They go up, down, and around for the ball; they don’t expect or need it to hit them between the numbers.
absolutely
Swann and Stallworth made Bradshaw look really good, much better than he really was.
In Romo we Trust
Arguing QB/WR, who makes who "better" or "look better"?
Neither. It’s a symbiotic relationship.
All the debate points everybody’s made should illustrate that.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
RW better go somewhere that doesn't rely on timing patterns.
His (poor) route running makes even good QBs look bad.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
May come down to cap space for Roy Williams
Roy stands to make $5.1 million as a base salary next season. That is already pretty high for a 3rd WR, but perhaps that could be something Jerry Jones could go for.
But according to Rainer Sabin from the DMN, the cap figure assigned to Williams would be $9.48 million in 2011. I think that cap figure would be enough to sign a right tackle and a backup guard.
Good bye Roy.
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 30, 2010 2:11 PM CST reply actions
Right? Or even 3 guards
Which I’d go for, having a plethora of decent players for the position, but we better make sure we get a good tackle or two in the draft
by AustonianAggie on Dec 30, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, as always...
comes down to balancing the cost/benefit. Numbers don’t lie.
Now, human judgment, there’s an interesting twist…
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Don't cut sensi newman or kosier
Too many holes these guys play will improve with better play around them.
Do cut Davis, Columbo, RW, Brooking, Barber
Demote Ball
Guys like Hatcher, Bowen are a numbers game.
Also I defn want to Choice to stay. With Choice Bennett Witten Austin Dez Felix, the 3rd isn’t a concern they will get 30balls tops anyway
If I were the owner
First, I’d hire a general manager. Then I’d fire every coach and cut every player except for Ware, Ratliff, Witten, and McBriar. Then I’d tell the general manager to hire me a coaching staff and build me a football team.
Impossible, you say? No, but very expensive. Of course, I’m not the owner; Jerry Jones is, and we’re talking about his money here, which I could care less about.
Oh, that’s right, he’s too busy suing suite holders for nonpayment and nonattendance at his glorified monument to himself. Never mind.
"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry
I hope you aren't serious.
And what is your hate against Jason Garrett? The guy has done great with this team thus far, he has atleast earned his shot
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
i've enjoyed reading some of your'e previous posts but,
that is the craziest thing i have seen written in a long time.
reminiscent of Tex at his “best”?.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Dec 30, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Ditto
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
only a moron would cut Romo
as well as every other qb on the roster. In case you didn’t know it’s a pretty important position.
Glad you’re not our owner, you make Jerry look like a football genius.
In Romo we Trust
It's not just moronic to cut Romo...
it’s moronic to say that you could cut every player but four players.
That’s asinine.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Does the word facetious mean anything to you? Good grief.
"Coaching is getting men to do what they do not want to do, in order to get them to achieve what they want to achieve." --Tom Landry
by The Soothsayer on Dec 30, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Even if you were being facetious...
why would you cut Dez Bryant?
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Idiotic statement.
Unrealistic, at best. Completely out of touch with reality.
Go easy on whatever you took before typing that. It’s mean-ass stuff. ;
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Ok, I retract the "idiotic statement"
Given that you said you were being facetious.
Should have read through the comment-chain first. That’s the problem with such things as facetiousness and the tonal and similar in-person indicators being missing in on-line stuff like this. You miss the “person” in what’s being said.
I stand corrected more informed, Sooth.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Todd Archer at ESPN
just stated Roy’s cap number makes it less likely he will be cut. Assuming salary caps will be part of a new CBA.
One item of note – if there will be an 18 game season next year, then rosters should be expanded. Much more likely a KO/long FG specialist like Buehler stays around under that scenario.
TNew and Kosier have one more year, Columbo could be a back up – especially if we replace both Softies(Safeties) and the Rt side of the OLine. Bowen should be back, based on play which means Spears or HAtcher is on the bubble. Between the 2, I’ll take MS.
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
I hope 7.
With all the injuries and 18 games they “should” expand the rosters to 60 and game day to 50.
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by fan since '65 on Dec 30, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot about the 18 game season damn
Added roster size and less preseason changes everything. I am not even going to bother trying to figure out who is getting cut then haha
Softies(Safeties) - love it, td - need royalties on that?
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I think it all depends
who the Cowboys acquire in FA and the draft. You can’t start cutting players without adequate replacements in line.
In Romo we Trust
Dallas Cowboys final draft position could change from 4th, 12th or 13th depending on whether they win or lose Sunday.
I really hope they lose! I can’t believe I’m saying that but this season is way over and going from 4th to 13th is huge!!
by torchindefenses on Dec 30, 2010 2:40 PM CST reply actions
I also don’t buy that we’ll be 4th no matter what happens. I’d love Fairley but he’s really the only top 10 guy I love
by AustonianAggie on Dec 30, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Might be the first thing we agree on, wholeheartedly.
And no, I’m not about to read back through everything you’ve ever posted to see if I’m wrong/right. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I'm hoping we lose too
I don’t care if people call me a bad fan. I want the highest draft pick I can get for this sorry excuse of a season.
by somebodyquiet on Dec 30, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
+4
The Titanic has sunk. Time to jump on a lifeboat.
thanks man!
just doing my best to try and keep up the tradition
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There are only 4 BLUE CHIPPERS in this here draft.
We could be drafting 4th if this play out right.
by torchindefenses on Dec 30, 2010 3:49 PM CST reply actions
care to expound on your top four?
pretty sure I’ve seen you mention them before- but I’ve been reading A LOT over the past few weeks trying to keep up with all the comments.
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happy and healthy one to all!!!!!
Cheers!!
draft / changes
Wonder if we could package a deal early 1st and 2nd for 3 of their 4 picks in the top 64 (3 in the top 33) picks. Looking at draft value earlier might be possible. OT, S, and DT for us best available, pick your order.
I think Roy should be offered the chance to stay at an incentive laden rate. He’s collected a big part of the contract already. If he produces at a more reasonable rate, fantastic for both.
Same situation with Barber. We need more lineman and secondary than him and his pay level. To many RB’s come through just as productive.
And draft people that can play now. I remember Wade talking about Sean Lee and saying he may not get on the field this year. What BS, 2nd rounder ought to be a producer of some level.
draft
New England I was referring to with the picks.
My Plan
Here is my plan for 2011 with Y for keepers and N for cuts.
Roster
No Player Pos Age Experience 2010 Salary
9 Romo, Tony QB 30 8 $625,980 Y
3 Kitna, Jon QB 38 14 $4,000,000 Y
7 McGee, Stephen QB 25 2 $842,000 Y
24 Barber, Marion RB 27 6 $624,420 N
23 Choice, Tashard RB 26 3 $390,200 Y
44 Gronkowski, Chris FB 24 R N/A Y
28 Jones, Felix RB 23 3 $738,400 Y
35 Miller, Lonyae RB 22 R N/A Y
19 Austin, Miles WR 26 5 $1,550,590 Y
80 Bennett, Martellus TE 23 3 $827,990 N
88 Bryant, Dez WR 22 R N/A Y
16 Holley, Jesse WR/SPTM 26 1 N/A Y
17 Hurd, Sam SPTM/WR 25 5 $1,552,280 N
15 Johnson, Manuel WR 24 1 N/A Y
85 Ogletree, Kevin WR 23 2 $322,000 Y
89 Phillips, John TE 23 2 $388,250 Y
83 Rucker, Martin TE 25 2 N/A N
11 Williams, Roy WR 29 7 $13,660,320 N
10 Williams, Teddy WR 22 R N/A Y
82 Witten, Jason TE 28 8 $2,506,110 Y
71 Barron, Alex LOT 28 6 $2,489,260 N
75 Colombo, Marc ROT 32 9 $9,449,339 N
67 Costa, Phil C 23 R N/A Y
70 Davis, Leonard ROG 32 10 $755,720 N
68 Free, Doug LOT 26 4 $467,280 Y
65 Gurode, Andre C 31 9 $2,407,280 Y
64 Holland, Montrae LOG 30 8 $2,000,000 N
63 Kosier, Kyle LOG 32 9 $2,637,280 N
78 Parnell, Jermey LOT 24 1 N/A N
76 Young, Sam ROT 23 R N/A Y
72 Bowen, Stephen LDE 26 5 $1,549,940 N
92 Brent, Josh NT 22 R N/A Y
66 Geathers, Clifton RDE 23 R N/A N
97 Hatcher, Jason LDE 28 5 $539,290 Y
95 Lissemore, Sean DE 23 R N/A Y
99 Olshansky, Igor RDE 28 7 $7,701,950 N
90 Ratliff, Jay NT 29 6 $1,254,290 Y
96 Spears, Marcus DE 27 6 $736,040 Y
51 Brooking, Keith RILB 35 13 $3,500,000 N
57 Butler, Victor LOLB 23 2 $808,540 Y
54 Cummings, Kenwin RILB 24 2 $316,240 N
56 James, Bradie LILB 29 8 $2,627,810 Y
50 Lee, Sean LILB 24 R N/A Y
93 Spencer, Anthony LOLB 26 4 $485,680 Y
94 Ware, DeMarcus ROLB 28 6 $1,009,940 Y
59 Williams, Brandon ROLB 22 2 $774,000 N
52 Williams, Leon RILB 27 4 N/A Y
20 Ball, Alan FS 25 3 $466,760 N
42 Church, Barry SS 22 R N/A Y
21 Jenkins, Mike RCB 25 3 $663,610 Y
37 McCann, Bryan PR/KR/RCB 23 R N/A Y
40 McCray, Danny SPTM/FS 22 R N/A Y
41 Newman, Terence LCB/PR 32 8 $902,280 Y
27 Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi S 22 R N/A Y
32 Scandrick, Orlando LCB 23 3 $391,240 Y
36 Sendejo, Andrew SS 23 R N/A Y
43 Sensabaugh, Gerald SS 27 6 $1,750,000 N
18 Buehler, David KFG/KKO 23 2 $458,500 N
91 Ladouceur, L.P. LS 29 6 $627,150 Y
1 McBriar, Mat P 31 7 $1,257,150 Y
This plan cuts 20 spots based on age, salary, depth and performance. I can not justify keeping players like Bennett, Buehler and Hurd for the salary based on their contributions. Some areas you need to keep skill players (Newman) based on several factors. It would be a major turnover, but can be filled through the draft, free agency and UFA. This off season is time to shake it up!
Buehler
money or performance? He seems cheap, but missing converts is pricey.
I don’t mind Hurd’s money. He is great on STs and does fine as a 4th receiver. Our coverage teams have been spotty enough, losing our best downfield guy would hurt. I don’t mind overpaying a little for someone like that.
by I_miss_Switzer on Dec 30, 2010 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Don't cut....
….Kosier, Bowen, Marty B, or Buehler. At least not yet.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Agreed
JG on Bennett today:
Coach Jason Garrett said Bennett has been one of the team’s most improved players. “He has improved as a blocker, receiver and route runner,” Garrett said. “He has been more consistent this year.”
by One.Cool.Customer on Dec 30, 2010 6:32 PM CST up reply actions
It is the politically-correct answer.
It doesn’t mean that JG wouldn’t trade or cut Bennett if there were other options.
BTW, if you want to see how an offense with two “stars” at TE (emerging or otherwise) is supposed to look, see the New England Patriots. Our offense is not nearly that dynamic with Witten and Bennett.
Do you think it would be with Witten/Phillips?
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
you want to cut all of the o-line except Free and Gurode???
wed have to replace like 5 o-linemen this year? not gonna happen. Kosier has been solid like normal, and Holland was fine in his limited play time.
cut: Barber, Columbo, Davis.
reduced pay/reduced role or released: Brooking, RW, Ball.
resign: Bowen or Spears whichever is the cheapest, draft Frailey if available.
Buehler just got put on notice.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4676663/cowboys-sign-veteran-kicker-kris-brown
The Cowboys apparently have decided to start their kicker competition for next season early. Just two days before the season finale in Philadelphia, the team will sign veteran kicker Kris Brown to the 53-man roster.
Let the fun begin…
Rabid and luvin' it
here's my 2 cents
O-line, i’d keep koiser, free and Gurode as you can’t rebuild and entire oline in one season. Koiser and Gurode will have to stay. Davis and Colombo have to be replaced. I’d say they are the top priority. Since the offense is closer to being elite or atleast really good, i’d start right there. Not to mention keeping Romo upright and uninjured needs to be the priority.
qb – good to go
rb – good enough, barber has to go, obviously a third string rb is a low priority, but would be nice
WR – good to go, good by roy
TE/fb – good to go with stiff competition for bennetts job in the offseason. If phillips can come back from the knee injury i could see him taking bennetts job if he decides to start slacking. With phillips able to flex to the fb role, the gronkster should be getting nervous
now the ugly part.
D – line – in need of a star player, Ratliff hasn’t played to a probowl level, is he on the decline? we can’t gamble he’ll return to his dominant self. Thus, he needs big time help. both DE’s can go. Spears is an average player that will have to do for now. A big time DE or atleast an above average DE is a must.
LB – not nearly as strong as it appears. D. ware needs no comment. it’s time for some competition on the other side. If butler hasn’t developed enought to give spencer some bench time, an up and comer is needed. Inside – Brady James is getting hurt more and more and Sean Lee can’t be assumed to be a starter, if if he is a starter, more talent is needed, a free agent pick up or moderately early round draft pick wouldn’t hurt.
DB’s – a complete and total disaster. Scantrick is okay as a nickel corner and ball is okay in the dime. FS and SS are both top priorities for defense, the biggest hole on the team. Newman is likely gone due to salary, and is a declining average player anyway, but if he wants to take a pay cut he is passable as a starter. We can’t count on Jenkins returning to for as a starting cb (although it would be nice). If Patrick Peterson is available, I say jump all over it.
punter – good to go
Kicker – let beuler do kick offs and find a reliable field goal kicker. Beuler should never kick field goals for the cowboys again.
Your opinion here's...
Ratliff hasn’t played to a probowl level
BS.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Kosier will stay. I think Newman and Sensabaugh will, too, at least for one more
season. Colombo, if he’s smart, will retire; ditto Brooking. Bigg needs to be cut. So does Ball. I’m so tempted to see Jenkins gone, but I think they’ll give him a chance to improve under new coaching. I think Barber is out, with too much contract, too little production, and a dose of insubordination and boneheadedness on the side (I’m still not over his idiotic showboating last weekend). Personally, I’d actually be surprised if RW is gone; he was having a good season until Romo went down, and I suspect that could earn him another year. I have no idea what they’ll do about Bueller.
ball is a decent dime corner, he's just not a saftey
Roy is waste, he needs to go, badly. He will be the #3 WR and you can’t keep him at that salary. I wouldn’t even keep him at a reduced salary
Ball looks clueless any time he's on the field. I'll be shocked if he stays. I don't necessarily
disagree with you on RW, but I just have a feeling he’ll be staying.
I say we should give Beuhler a chance through training camp
I like the kid. You don’t fear a run back with him kicking. He makes tackles. He has that fire people are looking for. What better leader for the ST unit then the kicker right? Who would of thought it. Another year under Chris and who knows. Maybe Kris Brown can teach him somethings too.
+18
Regardless of FG role, retaining him’s a no-brainer. Only a fool’d think otherwise. And regarding FG role, considering the differing techniques and everything involved, his performance hasn’t meritted all the types and levels of criticism he’s been subject to from fans. Understandable, given we see potential problem with the decision, the performance in specific instances hasn’t been as expected and all the rest of it, including the affect the season’s had on people’s b!tching. Perfection? You want perfection? Nice thought, but lunacy to think you’ll ever get it, in this case or any other. I defy anyone to point out a comparable case with significantly more “success”. This kid’s as near to a Thorpe-type athlete as is on the team.
Plus, he’s got attitude and heart to match the athleticism/skill. You want more from a team-mate?
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
TNew is still our best DB
by a mile
The real question is how do we deal with Scandrick and Jenkins turning out to be busts while Newman is geting older each year.
By a mile? No.
This year Newman is about even with Jenkins and Ball.
Sensi has probably been the best DB for us this year.
"You have to have the fighting spirit. You have to force moves and take chances" (Bobby Fischer)
Yes sireee...
You’ve been a great team-mate. Thanks, Jon.
It’s the highest accolade a player can get, esp. if coming from the guy next to him in the locker-room. Whoever that is, I hope it’s been said or will be, regardless of what happens.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
my list of starters that need to go are Colombo, Davis, Spears, Barber, Ball & Sensabaugh.
i think Brooking could still be here as a backup with the questions about Lee but his time as a starter are over, Colombo could survive as a backup until they know what they have in Young, the draft or FA but he can’t start anymore just like Davis, Igor could be on the chopping block but it’ll depend on what they do in the draft, FA or the guys in house.
its not an easy task or a cheap price when trying to replace 6+ starters but somethings got to happen or its just going to get worse next season. these issues should’ve been taken care of over the last 3 drafts but thats a problem this organization has struggled with over the last decade. it makes you wonder how long this can go on before the younger generation fans finally get fed up with not being apart of legit contender. 1 wildcard win in over the last 14 + years is about the worst in the NFL & something has to change sooner rather then later. kids going to college can’t remember this organization for nothing more then a bunch of hype.
the definition of insanity should have a picture of Jerry Jones next to it. he has no idea what he is doing or that its wrong...

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