Adam Jones would help the Dallas
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 8:16 AM CST
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ESPN is reporting that the Cincinati Bengals worked out Adam Jones.
I want to see Adam Jones back on the Dallas. After the Minnesota loss there was a lot of analysis about what Dallas needs to improve. The consensus was that Dallas needs to improve the O-Line. I disagree. Frankly, the O-Line conclusion seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to the most recent game (i.e. the final game). It's an error to focus on only the most recent evidence at the expense of the whole picture. And here's the whole picture.
I think the O-Line is okay. I think the Metrodome made the O-Line look much worse than it is. What Dallas needed to do was to have home field advantage (i.e. win either of 2 very winnable games against the Giants). The O-Line was decent all year until the Minnesota game (34 sacks allowed). The 6 sacks allowed against Minny was the most all year. I ask myself what changed that made the O-Line so terrible and my conclusion is that what changed is the Metrodome conditions. If Dallas is playing at home I think the O-Line looks much better and we're not having the O-Line discussion.
Thinking ahead, if Dallas had won the Minnesota game they would have been playing New Orleans with Coleston, Devery Henderson, Robert Meachem, Jeremy Shockey, and Reggie Bush. That's four good recievers and a good tight end. That's also the team that Dallas will need to beat if they want to get out of the NFC. In addition, look at who Dallas plays next year. Philly (Jackson, Macklin, Avant), Indy (Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Gonazalez), GB (Driver, Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones), NYG (Smith, Hicks, Manningham), and the aforementioned NO. That's 3 or 4 very good WRs on each of those teams.
So I want to see Adam Jones on Dallas. Use him as your 4th corner if you don't think you can rely on him. Worst case he gets in trouble (although nothing has happened for over 2 years) and you're swapping Ball for Jones. It's way to easy for me to envision Newman getting dinged-up and the whole season falling apart because we've got Scandrick covering Macklin / Hicks / Jennings / etc. Finally consider this, Jones is only 27, which is 3 years older than Newman was when Dallas drafted him, so he isn't over the hill.
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I think Alan Ball is ten times more valuable than Jones. Ball is a key special teams player and can swing over to safety, as he did last year after injuries.
Jones looked terrible when he was here, constantly trying to jump the short routes and getting torched. And punt returns were a complete joke.
There’s a reason nobody else wants him: He’s not very good.
I agree with you that you can never have too many good corners, but I’d much rather we go for another guy like Ball or Scandrick in the the later rounds than bring back this loser.
I don't want that thug within 500 yards of Valley Ranch
Plus he isn’t that good…very overrated
In Romo we Trust
He was horrible his last year
anyone is an upgrade over him at corner or punt returner,he could not evan make a CFL team last year so how could he make it in the NFL.
by Canadian Cowboys on Feb 12, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
CFL
he never stepped foot in Canada. Winnipeg stopped pursuing him. Had nothing to do with ability.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Rationale
BTW, it’s pointless to argue over how he looked to your eye. It’s subjective. To my eye, he looked awesome, moved like a waterbug (i.e. had better change of direction than any corner I’ve ever seen) and was a step away from a half dozen interceptions. It’s all in the eye of the beholder. I laid out most of my thoughts already so I won’t repeat them. They’re about 3/4 of the way down. There’s also a link that show’s the draft position of every CB in the NFL. 50% went in the 1st round and all the top guys went in the top ten.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/1/20/1259028/cowboys-09-autopsy-its-a-talent#29275657
I struggle to see how anyone can argue Ball is better. Do you really think Ball has the talent to lead the NFL in punt returns for example?
Terry, what EVIDENCE do you have that he’s overrated or is that just your unfounded opinion? I’ve offered both statistics and some anecdotal evidence that he’s good (e.g. leading the NFL in punt returns) that indicate that he has unusual talent. Are there any facts to support your statements?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 8:49 AM CST reply actions
my evidence is how he performed in 2008
He was horrible as a punt returner and was average at best as a corner. Just watch the tape, it’s as plain as day.
Even if he is as good as your saying, which he isn’t, the dude is a thug and punk and would only cause distractions for a team that has rid itself of locker room cancers, why would they bring back the same idiot they just cut.
Stupid
In Romo we Trust
The Adam Jones project failed
He was on a short leash, he knew it, and he STILL blew one helluva an opportunity. Whatever talent he has is completely overshadowed by his character flaws and poor decision making off the field…and the facts ARE there to support that.
Jerry played the “potential playmaker over questionable character” card and busted. That’s why the locker room got cleaned out. And that’s why, for the first time in a long time, this team went for a whole season with zero locker room drama or off field distractions which contributed to a good season trending up as we head to next season. Adam had the perfect opportunity to turn things around and if not for assaulting his body babysitting guards, he may have actually been given another season but as we’ve seen multiple times throughout Adam’s NFL career, he doesn’t appear to have a clue.
If the Bengals think they can turn him around, let them.
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+1
He already had a great 2nd chance with Dallas in 2008 and he blew it. He can’t be counted on, he’s already proven that fact. Not worth it, and it’s just not going to happen. Jerry would never take him back after the crap he pulled 2 seasons ago.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 12, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
if he was all what you think he is he would have been picked up last year.
Im one of the biggest voices for retooling our Oline and I thought they played well last season to. I think if Flo doesnt get hurt and They put Free in for Columbo the dynamics of the game change. I dont know if we win but we score a few TDs.
Having said that our line is getting long in the tooth. Flo is 34 and has shown many creaks in his armour. He is having to rely punching in the face, holding more, and tripping. when a player loses it he loses it fast. Injuries with him are more frequent. Im also willing to bet he serves a suspension next year for a dirty play.
Good teams identify early signs and act with a preemptive strike, they dont let the wheels fall off and scramble around. Our depth on the line is also weak and unimpressive. Its been neglected too long and our QB is 30. I would like to get 8 more year out of him. Worring about another teams 4th WR is creating problems where their isnt one.
I didnt even mention how much better our chemistry is.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Even if Pacman was the best CB in the league I wouldn't want him.
But besides that I have to look at this quote….
Frankly, the O-Line conclusion seems to be a knee-jerk reaction to the most recent game (i.e. the final game).
If by kneejerk, you mean over the past two years.
Even if you think it’s kneejerk, there has to be some rebuiding on a line that has zero depth.
Worst case he gets in trouble (although nothing has happened for over 2 years)
Really? Did we miss the part where he got in altercation with his own bodyguard? How does that even work? How do you get in a fight with your own bodyguard?
I’m for first chances, second chances, hell even third chances, but this cat is not very smart.
He has elite physical skills but lacks the mental game to have any consistency in the NFL. He freelances, for every big play he makes he’s going to let Desean Jackson run right past him.
No thanks, let the Bengals get him.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 12, 2010 9:15 AM CST reply actions
Terry, that's not evidence
I provided the statistics from 2008. Jones statistics were almost identical to …. Mike Jenkins, who I’m guessing you think is a good corner.
Maybe we need to agree the definition of overrated. I’m saying that he would be a better corner than Alan Ball. Do you disagree with that? Do you think Alan Ball is a better corner? If so what is your evidence.
I think it was a mistake to cut Jones. I agreed with cutting TO, Roy Williams, and Tank Johnson because I thought TO was an average WR at this point of his career and I thought Roy and Tank were simply average players.
Jones was a different story. The guy is supremely talented. A legit difference maker at corner in a league that is becoming more pass oriented.
In terms of locker chemistry I’ll make two points. First, beware of mistaken assumptions about causality. I’m not convinced that the improvement this year was anything more than mean reversion (i.e. the improvement would have happened anyway if Dallas had kept TO, Jones, Williams, and Tank). See below for complete explanation.
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/02/fighter-pilots-and-firing-coaches.html
Second, the locker room problem is Jerry Jones. Jones undermines the coaches ability to discipline players. Boys Will Be Boys described how Jones likes to party, socialize, and chase girls with the players and how Deion would tell the coaches to call Jerry when he was late to practice. That was also consistent with what I saw on Hard Knocks, where certain players (e.g. TO) had a direct line to Jerry. The coaches strongest disciplinary measure is to cut playing time or cut players. However, Jerry undermines that as a motivational tool because the players can go to him.
As I’ve said before, I think that Jones will be back in the NFL and will be a better than average corner. Personally I’d like to see that happen on Dallas.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 9:29 AM CST reply actions
It certainly is evidence
Pacrat is overrated and a distraction to any team he’ll play for. Like I said, I don’t want him anywhere near Valley Ranch and thank God for Stephen Jones making sure Jerry doesn’t think like you anymore.
And if he ever happens to make it back in the league, which is doubtful, then I can’t wait for the Cowboys to play that team so our receivers can toast him on a regular basis.
In Romo we Trust
No, its an unfounded opinion
I did watch the tape. I thought he looked great. See, that’s my unfounded opinion. That’s why its pointless to discuss without reference to facts (e.g. statistics).
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
no, it's founded since the Cowboys felt the same way
Football isn’t baseball, you just can’t look at stats to determine whether a guy can play or not. You really think scouts go by stats when evaluating players?? They use their naked eye, not a book.
In Romo we Trust
Your Cowboy's point is wrong
The Cowboy’s didn’t drop Jones because of performance. They dropped Jones because of locker-room chemistry and an ESPN Outside the Lines report about his involvement in an Atlanta nightclub shooting.
I’m happy for you to argue that his negative impact in the locker room outweighs his benefit as a player (although I would disagree). However, you haven’t provided any evidence that he’s overrated. You haven’t even said how good you think he is. Why don’t we start with that? Where would you rank among our current corners?
I would have him after Newman, Jenkings, and Scandrick and in front of Ball with the upside of being better than Scandrick once he’s in game shape.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Football is about more than metrics.
I won’t say that he’s overrated. I think he’s rated right where he needs to be.
A talented corner that lacks to the willpower to stay out of trouble off the field, or the mental capacity to stay in their respected position against receivers.
I also find it quite strange that there is always a couple of people that say “oh he’s not a distraction”, it was the same thing with Owens.
Even though these players get shipped around to different teams, have a huge reputation at distractions, there is always the defenders.
Maybe he wasn’t a huge distraction, but his track record isn’t great. His reward isn’t worth the risk.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 12, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Pacrat isn't any better than Ball
but Ball isn’t a locker room distraction either. Pacrat didn’t make any plays when he played in 2008, metrics or no metrics.
In Romo we Trust
Terry
Calling Adam Jones Pacrat isn’t evidence of anything, although it does make you sound like and infant.
In addition, you’re acting like you don’t have the burden of proof. In actuality, you’re making an extraordinary claim which requires extraordinary evidence to be believed. Your claim is that Adam Jones, who picked 5th overall, and was considered a star in the making, is actually worse than the Dallas Cowboys 4th string corner. And this isn’t a Bruce Pickens scenario where Jones never played. Jones immediately won the starting job in Tennessee and produced in the NFL. So if you’re going to make the claim that a productive starting NFL corner is actually worse than Alan Ball, it’s incumbent on you to provide some evidence other than “he didn’t make any plays”.
Anyway, just answer the question. Where do you rank Jones? You think Ball is better than Jones?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
The only thing he accomplished since starting his rookie year is mayhem and jail.
Thats not much of a resume. You are living in the past. The dude is an idiot. You dont trust your Billion dollar business in the hands of an idiot. That has a big tendency to make you look like an idiot. Im pretty good at that by myself.
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resume
he started his rookie year and his sophmore year.
his second year he had 4 picks, 1 of which he returned for a TD. He also led the NFL in punt returns.
As I said before, if you’re going to make the extraordinary claim that Dallas 4th corner is better than a former starting NFL corner who also led the league in punt returns and was considered a rising star, I’d expect extraordinary evidence.
if you’re worried that you can’t rely on him, that’s a different point, although I think leaving him as the 4th corner on the depth chart addresses that.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
I never have said that but I will right now. Ball is a better CB
He is reliable. He is here. He knows the D. He executes the D called. He has been practicing every practice the last consecutive 8 years. He doesnt take young players down the wrong path. He is good in the locker room.
You act like the 52nd spot on the roster is a freebie. We have lost some talented players because we didnt have room for them. Whats that QBs name we lost to Carolina who has played well in spot duty and will probably start next year.
It is absolutely uncool to have an unreliable idiot on your team.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I said he wasn't any better, I didn't say he was worse
What part of that can’t you comprehend??
In Romo we Trust
Got it
so to Terry and Squidlo,
since you think Ball is better than Adam Jones, we can expect that Jones will not be on an NFL roster and definitely will not earn playing role in the NFL.
I think differently. Time will tell.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
Canaadian Cowboy mentioned and I think I remember reading it but he couldnt make
a CFL roster last year. Whats up with that.
He wont be worth the the price of a stamp that mails his next indictment. True.
KICK ASS every day!!!
canadian cowboy has the facts wrong.
Winnipeg simply didn’t sign him.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
They signed him
and then dumped him
Jerry,put Bill Bates in the ring of honor!!!
by Canadian Cowboys on Feb 12, 2010 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
see my post below
a perfunctory google search will also prove that Winnipeg never signed him.
“better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”
Mark Twain
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
When I did a google search
I found this Toronto Sun article that says he did sign with Winnipeg.http://www.torontosun.com/sports/football/2010/02/11/12840276-qmi.html
Which my not be correct but either way the Blue Bombers decided they were better off without him.
Jerry,put Bill Bates in the ring of honor!!!
by Canadian Cowboys on Feb 13, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
here’s espn saying he never signed
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4441462
the winnipeg free press
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sports/football/bombers/blue-pursue-nfl-bad-boy-56709557.html
the winnipeg sun
http://www.winnipegsun.com/sports/columnists/paul_friesen/2009/09/03/10728131-sun.html
the story is the same. he never signed due to the negative media reaction and the ustream video.
Next time you assert something as fact, if someone says ‘hey that’s not true’, it might be prudent to double check and make sure you’re correct before restating the same thing as fact.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 13, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
ustream
this had something to do with it as well. evidence for the Jones is an idiot camp.
http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/pacman-jones-ustream-video-winnipeg-nixes-deal-over-comments
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Difference
Between Jenkins and Pac is heart, brain, and actually being a part of the team and PLAYING for the last year. Pac-Man has now been out of football for another year…Another year of not competing at a high level. Pac-Man is worthless and you can’t hold someone’s hand his whole life, cuz even when you do, he still turns around and bites you. You do not hear about Jenkins out in the club making it rain and having shoot-outs.
O-line had struggled all year inside the redzone to get “and 1’s or and shorts” something has to be done about the O-line. It isn’t just about how many sacks you gave up, but look at the points left on the field due to getting stuffed down there? I can think of at least 14 – 21 pts over the course of the year. Granted, the D is keying on the run in short field situations like that, but you cant tell me that you are OK with seeing our jumbo set lineup with any of the 3 RBs deep and get rocked like that?
I think that gets lost on people, too.
The fact that he hasn ‘t played two of the last four years. And it’s not like he’s rehabbing an injury and still around a team. He hasn’t even been part of an organization during that time. I don’t know that he was ever at top football speed in Dallas. It would take him that much longer now. I’ll pass.
Adam Jones would help Dallas
if a player needed to make it rain in a strip club
if a player found himself in a gunfight
if a player ever needed to buy his own car back at a police auction
if a player felt he had to fight with his own bodyguard
if a player needed counseling on how to violate the terms of his probation
…
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 12, 2010 9:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
sounds like he could play for the Washington Wizards
with the gun thing…
by Chris in Va on Feb 12, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I was goin' to post...but,
you summed it up perfectly… LOL
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by .FRoST.USAF on Feb 12, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Save this post
Anyway, I just wanted to state my position. We can save this post for future discussion.
We’ll see if Jones makes it back to the NFL and we’ll see how Scandrick performs against Meachem, Manningham (2x), Avant (2x), Anthony Gonzalez, and James Jones.
We’ll also see if Newman lasts 16 games without getting injured.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 9:34 AM CST reply actions
Its not worth saving. Pacman is a hood rat and thats all he will ever be. Let him leave some other teamm high and dry come playoff time.
Its not our 4th CB thats going to take us to the next level.
KICK ASS every day!!!
not worth saving any more that Pacman's NFL career
trickle down, trickle out.
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As I read this post...
I’m seeing ads on the left and right for “K-Y Intense”. See…even SB Nation knows that it’s going to take a little something extra to smooth out a rough argument like this. :)
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Was a fail the first time
would be an epic fail to go there twice.
by raider realist on Feb 12, 2010 11:06 AM CST reply actions
This follows the definition of insanity.
"The greatest test of courage on earth is to bear defeat without losing heart."
Allow me to finish your title, "Adam Jones would help Dallas fall back into the middle of the pack.
You stated in another post that the Locker room was JJ problem. You are correct sir, but he fixed dumping Packman. Kudos, JJ.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Adam Jones
has all the talent in the world but the IQ of a door knob. The word out of Valley Ranch was that he freelanced alot. I guess that means he didn’t follow the defensive play calls or was incapable of following them. Why would you wan’t a corner that doesn’t follow the scheme? That’s a big play waiting to happen for the offense.
The Minnesota game was not a knee jerk reaction. The line has been average for a long time. Why do you think they couldn’t get short yardage? Why do you think they ran delays all year? Why do you think they pulled the gaurds alot? Yes, those were probably their strengths, but that also tells you they couldn’t power run. They need to infuse some power and athleticism in there. A player or two might do that. They don’t have to change the whole offensive line.
by beautifultyrant on Feb 12, 2010 2:00 PM CST reply actions
The Cowboys were 2 games better this year. Is that because TO, Tank, Jones, and Roy Williams were gone? Maybe.
Or maybe the upgrade from Jenkins, Austin, Spencer, and Brooking were worth 2 wins, which would have happened with or without those players on the roster.
Personally, I think that when you put TO, Tank, Jones, and Roy together it was a problem. However, Jones without all his running buddies would be far less disruptive and is worth the risk.
You ask a good question though. “why would you want a corner that doesn’t follow the scheme?”.
Because that corner is a potential interception machine who can return those picks for TD. The Cowboys don’t have a single corner who can do that. And if Adam Jones gets his head on right and stars in the NFL again while Dallas is getting burned by the 3rd WR on GB, Indy, NO, NYG, and Philly next year, or Scandrick has to start bc Newman is injured, its going to be very aggravating.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
Or...and just a crazy thought...
you could always draft a guy.
Or get another FA that might not be as talented but is somewhat dependable.
All that “dallas is getting burned” by 3rd WR stuff is meaningless anyways if you don’t get a pass rush.
Because that corner is a potential interception machine who can return those picks for TD.
How many ints for TDs did Adam Jones return for Dallas? How many INTS did he have?
How many times did the third WR burn on this year?
Maybe some against the Giants, but that was more Steve Smith than anything.
They played Philly three times this year and never got burned by the third wideout.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 12, 2010 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
you could always draft a guy
I can improve that suggestion. You could draft a guy better than Adam Jones and give every cowboy fan a pony. See how easy it to improve an idea when you’re not bound by physics or logic or reality.
Take a look at the following. It’s hard to find a legic corner at 54.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Agk02f2ctUQLdFo2X1pjUk4tT1RNMUpVQlFUclZleXc&hl=en
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 12, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
Jones has played in 9 games in 3years. He isnt the same player you hold him up to be.
He averaged 4.5 yards a return and no interceptions in 9 starts with us. Not playing for another year since makes him worse than that. He is no longer a legit CB. He is a “never will be again.”
KICK ASS every day!!!
stop using logic
you are making too much sense
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by TexasGarcia37 on Feb 12, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions
legit comment
this is a legitimate concern. time away from football may have eroded his abilities. However, he’s only 27 and he’s never had a serious injury.
What does “never will be again”? Is that a serious comment? Do you really believe he’ll never be a NFL player again?
I’ve been extremely surprised by the comments. I’m not sure if people aren’t expressing themselves correctly or if they’re saying thing they don’t really believe because they dislike Jones. But that people believe that Alan Ball is actually a better player than Adam Jones or that Jones couldn’t make a CFL roster is very surprising to me.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 13, 2010 6:01 AM CST up reply actions
I beleieve he had the serious injury of Brain damage.
There is a ton of evidence.LOL!
KICK ASS every day!!!
I To Support PACMAN...........
The problem here Fan in thick and Thin is the fact these guys are dumb and got there head n there ass….
Im no dummy and neither is JJ. Pac Man was OUR BEST CORNER IN 2008!!!
JJ even came out and said it after the season was over, when the team scouted the CB’s.. he was graded there best corner that season.
These guys just talk out there ass with hate about PAC ( the so called thug)….. BUT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CRACK HEAD BY THE NAME OF MATT JONES HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Gimme a break
Terry to say that Ball is better than PAC….WOW!!!!!!!!! Get of that stuff u r on GUYS!!!!!
The only reason Ball is stil playn for us is bc of the fact he can sum FS and special teams bc the guy is only average at corner..
If we had his this year with the work he did last year he probably be in the Pro Bowl.
I admit everything about the guy isnt pretty and JJ probably drop him for his own reasons but do not down grade this guy skills on the field…..Guys U MAY HATE PAC BUT DONT BE DELUSIONAL…..
The only reason y Pac did have a problem with this defense( his free lancing ) is bc of the fact he was use to man coverage in Tennessee. Last year all the kinks would have ben work out this guy and he would ben good n zone coverage. U c how the Eagles r doin with with there pick up of Vick on of those three guys r outta there with draft pics attach…. they asking about all three of there QB’s……….. and Vick has more fan hate than PAC has ever occur .
Then for ya to call his punt returns garbage!!!!!!!!!!!! Man look at our special teams as a whole last year and enuff said. Now if you got PC returns punts back for TD’s and u tryn to tell me that PAC would not have ben able to bust one under Joe Decamllis?
Like i said FAn in Thick and Thin its pointless with this crowd the same crowd who told that Flozell and the line needed help i the broncos game. They dont c and they never will. But now they c the line need help and later they will c if PAC get sign with Cincy that we miss out.
The guy missed 6 games and let everyone down.
I dont care if he is use to man coverage, you do whats called. Everyone has to be doing the same thing. This isnt sandlot ball.
Adam might have graded out best but if he isnt reliable then whats the point. He is an ass clown. His skills were noticable less when he was here than when he was in Tenn. His skills have continued to erode. he cant get a job in Canada.
I can certainly see that you are an expert on delusion. When you were a kid a couple of years ago, how many times did you burn yourself before you figured out what hot meant. Pacrat has burned every team that has had him and he lost 10s of millions of dollars and yet he cant keep straight.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Pacrat was terrible on punt returns for us.
There was guaranteed to be a couple flags because he kept going east and west instead of north and south. His blockers had no idea where he would be.
Wow....
Does anyone else find the irony in being called dumb by this cat?
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 14, 2010 7:04 PM CST up reply actions
Just wanted to make sure the Pac fans got to see this
A description of his awesome work out for CIN.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-directsnap021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
This guy is done.
Drago says, "We must break you!"
by APerfectStar on Feb 16, 2010 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I had a feeling there would be a post like this.
Maybe it would be worth discussing if Adam Jones wasn’t so bad.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
No way....
Rather have a late round guy come in and play than have him back!!
But hopefully he ends up somewhere else in the division.
That would be awesome!
Anomoly............Finally here.........
ANyone have a link to the Pacman interview where he swore he was never going to a strip club ever again and with 45 seconds was saying how much he loved strip clubs?
That is the second best athlete interview ever, only bettered by “Practice?” starring AI
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Adam Jones is as good as the following scenarios indicate:
a) Adam Jones made the Pro Bowl last year.
b) Adam Jones topped every CB in YPA.
c) Adam Jones topped every CB in Ints.
d) Adam Jones reminded everyone of Deion Sanders.
e) Adam Jones signed a midseason extension that made him the best paid player (Player, as in QBs, Ends, etc.)… And made it rain.
Uh? Adam Jones didn’t even managed a sniff from a desperate team last year? Not even a CFL team?
Oh, wow… That speaks volumes… That tells me much more than an opinion of a certain guy that believes that he was good…
But that’s me.
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No No No No No
Even if Jones has a good year (and I doubt that), he’ll probably miss a chunk of the season once he gets involved in an off-field incident like he always does. That is not good for the team in any way.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Feb 12, 2010 10:00 PM CST reply actions
I am Pacman's biggest supporter, and I want NOTHING to do with him.
I dont want this guy anywhere near Dallas. He got his shot here. Id love to see him play again, but somewhere else. We have good young corners, and we are one draft pick or so away from having a surplus. Jenkins is a beast. Newman is still a top of the second tier corner. And Scandrick will bounce back. Let’s draft a punt returner like we have needed to for the last ten years.
No Pacman please. We finally ran the circus out of town, no need to do something like this. Plus who knows what kind of shape he’s in?
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by Carl Shelton (GloryDayz88) on Feb 13, 2010 5:22 AM CST reply actions
+1
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 14, 2010 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Super Bowls
I’ll add how I think.
I want to see a dominant Dallas team that wins Super Bowls. The 1991 team went 11-5 and then proceeded to trade for Charles Haley, and draft Kevin Smith, Robert Jones, and Darren Woodson.
For those keeping score at home, that’s a HOF d-lineman, an All-Pro corner, an All-Pro Safety, and a 10 year starter at MLB.
That’s the benchmark. If you’re hoping to see a dynasty, you have to think about how to add that type of talent. Personally, I don’t think Jerry’s going to draft a single All-Pro this year, much less a HOF player and 2 All-Pros. That’s why I’d like to see Dallas bring back Jones. That’s just me though.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 13, 2010 6:13 AM CST reply actions
Jones is not and neverhas been an All Pro Corner
Also, other than Haley, who was legitimately nuts, each of those guys you listed were team players and good guys. Can you really say that about Pacman?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I read all the comments before adding my two cents.
I can think of no reason, even if Jones has the talent and skills the poster implies, that anyone would put themselves in the position of relying on the character again. We tried that. We put him in the 3 CB rotation. He couldn’t make it through the season, so we had to go with the next guy down the chart.
Why would you willingly put yourself in that position again, even if Jones is potentially better than the player you pretty much know you can count on at a certain level of ability? Barring injury to either, of course.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
I still wonder
If Jerry still makes the RW trade, if Pacrat hadn’t gotten in trouble that same week. I still think diverting attention from that situation was part of the reason Jerry pulled the trigger on that trade. If that’s the case, Pacrat hosed us on that, too. We could have Percy Harvin or Michael Oher to go with RW and his drops. Oh well, water under the bridge and pure speculation on my part.
you gotta be kidding right?
The O-line was Okay……?Gimmie a break!!! What line was you watching? This is low Football I.Q. Look at the playoffs,next to Cincy, Dallas had the second least valuable O-line! You mean to tell me that Dallas line is just as good as the other playoffs teams? Here, I’ll help you out. The best O-line right now is the JETS. IF DALLAS HAD D.FERGUSEON AT LT, FANECA AT LG, AND D.WOODY AT RT, THEY WOULD BE IN THE SUPER BOWL RIGHT NOW!!! Kosier couldn’t carry Larry Allen’s water bottle! Bill Parcell’s wouldn’t have signed Flozell(penalties & speed rushers). But mainly Jimmy Johnson had 5 kick butt starters and backups that were better than half the starting O-ines in the league. Okay O-lines don’t win Championships. Look at they done it right on thier trip. Was their line Okay facing Jared Allen,Raheem Mathis,D.Freeney,Demarcus Ware, and Anthony Spencer?
They would have held their own if Free is on the right and Flo doesnt go down.
Having said that we have to have a major infusion of youth and talent in the OL.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Free
I like Free but he has limitations. Here’s my take on Free.
-Good pass protector
-Good ability to pull and block and space
-Below average in-line/power run blocker
On power runs (which is most of your run plays) Free lunges and gets off balance. I wouldn’t count on Free to be the savior of the line.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 14, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
I know there is a stigma that has carried over from his rookie year about his strength.
This year I saw a guy that was pretty strong. He isnt a mauler but he is better than his rep. Like many others on here, over the next few weeks Im going to go over his blocking and technique and see how he compares to others. i dont think he gets beat on drive blocking anymore than Columbo does/did and Columbo is known as a mauler. People see what they want to see. He gets beat 2 times and people jump up and say, " see he has no power," completely ignoring the 20 times he did well.
I know we ran over the right side against SD and we didnt get it done. I would like to look at that a little better but erased it. I would like to check that out. I dont think he is the savoir but that End from Minn was a speed rusher not a power guy and Frees skill set would have matched the ends. Free wouldnt have been to slow to keep up.
I really like Free because of the atletism he brings.
One of the draw backs of being a Cowboys fan and ecspecially one during the 90s is we have this hangup on size and maulers. The Larry Allens. Believe me I would take 5 of those in a second) The thing is there are some very good to great lines that arent mamoths. Sometimes I think our fans feel if you arent pushing 350 then your a finesse OL. Stepnoski, when he played finished the season under 295-290. He was as good as they come and he was a technque/athletic guy.
KICK ASS every day!!!
this isn’t a question of his strength. The problem is he lunges/bends forward when he run blocks and gets off balance. Once an o-linemen is off balance they’re helpless. It’s technique and it might be a core strength issue (e.g. he might not have strong enough legs/core to allow him to drop his butt with proper technique).
You probably have to TIVO the games and watch every play for Free specifically to see it. I promise it’s there though.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 14, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
you gotta be kidding right?
The Championship team I was referring to at the end was New Orleans. They got it right on their first trip. Jerry has to cut ties with Kosier,Adams, and Columbo and the o-line depth to at least have a chance.
Adam Jones has plenty of talent
there should be no doubt about that. But this isnt the mid 90’s anymore, when we could win with all those head cases on our team. The past is the past. Time to move on. We have a team of high charecter that should be one of the favorites for the SB this year. No need to mess it up by adding someone with attitude problems into it.
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Darren O’Day." - FirebatM3
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