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Cowboys Draft '10: Mock 1.0

Here's some mock jerkey to chew over the weekend.

The Cowboys like the top of their roster, but they have some dead wood to clear off the bottom.  Look at the 3rd and 4th year players who have yet to push for starting spots.  The Cory Proctors.  The Pat McQuistans.  The Pat Watkins.  The Sam Hurds.  The Montrae Hollands and Duke Prestons.  Dallas was looking for new blood at their positions last year but didn't see the board line up their way. 

This year, my first mock sees Dallas taking players at positions they missed last spring.

Round 1:  Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida, 6'5", 318 lbs.

Offensive tackle has become a sexy position of late and has therefore become a rising postion, meaning players there go a bit higher than they are rated.  This means the elite group of OTs (Okung, Davis, Bulaga & Campbell) will likely be gone before the board strikes 20.   If the Cowboys want an offensive lineman high, they may need to go against tendency and take one with the 27th pick.

Pouncey looks like a better center prospect than any of the big names in last year's center-rich draft.  He's the same weight as Andre Gurode and one inch taller.  Some serious mockers have him in the top 10 on their boards, though most put him in the 20-30 range.  If Pouncey can also play guard he's the type of interior line prospect who could challenge for a starting spot right away. C/G was a serious position of interest last year.  The Cowboys missed out on their prime target (see below).  Pouncey represents a chance to get it right this time.

Star-divide

Round 2: (trade up)  Morgan Burnett, FS, Georgia Tech, 6'1", 210 lbs.

Dallas has been burned staying put in the late 2nd in recent years.  The Cowboys saw WR Steve Smith snatched one pick in front of them in '08 and suffered the same fate last year when the Seahawks jumped one spot in front of them to snag C/G target Max Unger

The Cowboys were looking hard at free safeties last year. Western Michigan's Louis Delmas intrigued them, but he rocketed up draft boards after his Combine showing and was the first player taken in the 2nd.  Dallas is rumored to be targeting free safety again and this year's crop looks much deeper, with Earl Thomas, Taylor Mays, Burnett and Nate Allen topping the list.  Free safety, like offensive tackle, has become a sexy pick of late and if Dallas wants one of these guys, it may have to take one in the first.  Burnett looks like the safest pick of the four.  He's bigger than Thomas, and has better ball skills than Mays or Allen.  I do think all four of these guys will be gone by Dallas' 2nd projected selection, so a move up will be required to scratch the long-existing safety itch.

Round 3: Mike Tepper, OT, California, 6'6", 322 lbs.

A big, physical right tackle prospect.  Run blocks well and has the size the grit the Cowboys like.

Round 4: Cal Thomas, DT, North Carolina, 6'3", 330 lbs.

Dallas gets Jay Ratliff a backup with some upside.  Thomas has some rough edges to his game, but he also has the power, size and hand skills to supplant Junior Siavii right away.  Wade Phillips' nose tackles play on the shade and have to be active in pursuit.  Thomas will need to improve in this area, but if he's teachable, he could give Ratliff even more productive relief than Siavii did this year. 

Round 5: Traded to Denver for Montrae Holland

Round 6: Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson, 5'9", 185 lbs.

A raw prospect who needs to improve his strength and work on his hands.  He has outstanding speed, however and is hard to catch once the football is in his hands.  A developmental type guy who could excel in the slot. 

Round 7: Hunter Lawrence, K, Texas, 6'0", 187 lbs.

The Cowboys have been going to this well a lot in recent years, but can you think of a 7th rounder who could make a bigger impact than a level-headed kicker?  Lawrence was 34 of 39 on field goals for his college career and made a big-pressure kick to win the Big 12 Championship Game last year.

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I love this mock if only it comes to fruition then my boys would be set in every position going into camp, looking good for the season and ready to compete for the Lombardi.

by Albert S on Feb 20, 2010 12:18 AM CST reply actions  

Interesting Picks

I like the distribution of positions you chose.

One question ans one comment:

Is a tall center a good thing? When blocking a NT or DT, doesn’t the center need to have a lower center of gravity to handle the prototypical build of those players?

I don’t think Jacoby Ford makes it to the end of round 6.

by doomsdayreturns on Feb 20, 2010 12:22 AM CST reply actions  

Look at Andre Gurode for your answer

Gurode: 6’4", 318
Pouncey: 6’5", 318.

Matt Birk is 6’4" and he’s been to multiple Pro Bowls. Nick Mangold is 6’4" and nobody is complaining about his height.

Arm length has as much to do with center effectiveness as height. You need a quick and powerful punchout. If you ever saw Dwight Stephenson in his prime, that guy would shoot out of his snap, put both hands in your chest and stand you up.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

As more teams to go 3-4s, I think big centers will become more valuable

Centers are usually the smallest guys on the line and if they’re too light a good NT will mash him and destroy your running attack.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 12:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you and thats why i have been a fan of Gurode.

However I think he is a Big Mac shy of 340.

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by squidlo97 on Feb 20, 2010 6:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Doomsday,

I’m not sure if it was an official measurement but I’ve seen Pouncey listed as 6 foot, 4 and a half inches. As Raf said Gurode is about 6’4". I agree with you that you can be too tall as an Olineman especially with interior players who seem to rarely get over 6’5". But in Pouncey’s case I think he’s fine at about 6’4".

by Luke. on Feb 20, 2010 7:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Pouncey looks shorter than he is listed to me.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he was an inch or so shorter

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Your right..that guy is too tall to play center in the NFL against a 3-4 defense..He'll get his butt handed to him by a good NT

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by Bobbiblue on Feb 20, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Very interesting set of picks..but I don't like a very tall center..

Especially with teams leaning towards 3-4 defenses..A tall center would have a very hard time dealing with a shorter nose tackle..If they play 4-3 then this guy would block the sun and would be a great pick…and he might be resilient enough to change over to a tackle position so who knows..

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by Bobbiblue on Feb 22, 2010 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Out of all the mocks I've seen so far

I like this one the best. I hope this comes in as prescribed. Interesting note about the 2nd round “failures”, for lack of a better term, the last 2 years. Good stuff Raf.

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by Benthere on Feb 20, 2010 12:35 AM CST reply actions  

One of the best mocks I've read...

..and I think I’ve read hundreds thus far.

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by .FRoST.USAF on Feb 20, 2010 12:59 AM CST reply actions  

Really well done draft ...

I don’t know if the Cowboys dont get a wr before the sixth round..

( and maybe Maurkice’s twin Maurice will go in the supplemental draft to play with his brother again ….. I know, I know no chance ….)

by alanTdot. on Feb 20, 2010 1:59 AM CST reply actions  

I don't think Iupati will be there

and I don’t like Williams. If you’re going OT in the 1st the guy better be able to play LT. Williams looks like a RT.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 2:09 AM CST reply actions  

He is a RT

but Williams can play guard and center and can play LT in a pinch. That is why he is so valuable. He is one of the most versatile lineman in the draft., and can play all positions except for LT very well.

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Williams is not valuable

He is Corey Proctor with some OT ability. Big whoop! Trent Williams will not be a starter at any position. He has awful feet, does not use his hands well, and lacks the nastiness to play interior lineman.

by Flounder69 on Feb 20, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

He did not play well at LT this year

but if you watched him before this year he played very well at RT. And comparing him to Procter is silly.

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I've talked to people during the season who were grading tape on him

and didn’t like him. Felt he was vastly overrated. I’d be wary of taking him in the 1st.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

How about before they moved him to LT? He did pretty well then

if he came out last year he would have been a legit top 15 pick. He is not an LT I understand that, but he can play the other positions well.

Plus keep in mind there were a bunch of new starters on the Sooner line.

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think pure RTs qualify as "legit top 15 picks"

You have to play LT to get that kind of grade from a pro scouting dept.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

that's why I don't like Williams

You’re taking an OT in the 1st he better be able to play LT.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think so either

but teams last year thought he could play LT after having a very good year on the right side

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Beyond a top ten pick, I just plain and simply want Lupati or Pouncey. I’m liking his size more by the day.

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by CCBoy on Feb 20, 2010 3:04 AM CST reply actions  

Wasting a 1st on a backup?

Sorry Vela I think you`re pretty insightful usually but Jones drafting a C in the 27th slot and a NEEDED tackle in the 3rd round is crazy talk. At the end of the day the Cowboys take the best talent available in any of the positions of need (FS, OT,KR) and not a backup to a probowler.

by voidhelix on Feb 20, 2010 3:10 AM CST reply actions  

You're pushing OT in the 1st,

which is how teams kill themselves.

You say a backup. Well, tell me which of the big OTs could start as a rookie? I don’t think Campbell can. I wouldn’t mind getting him, but the other three guys are going to be long gone by the 27th pick.

Pouncey is value, if he’s there, IMO. Wes Bunting of the NFP has him the 7th rated pick overall. Scouts Inc. has him 30th. This is a guy who could start somewhere on your interior line and fast.

What happens if Gurode gets hurt? you want to go another year with Proctor? Who plays if Leonard Davis gets nicked? This team has been playing without OG/C depth for a while and if they don’t address it, they’re gonna get Romo killed. Plus, those two guys will be 32 next year.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 8:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Pouncey can replace Kosier

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Other Way Around

Pouncey can replace Gurode and Gurode can replace Kozier.

by Iowacowboy on Feb 20, 2010 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Um Gurode sucks as a guard

lets not try that failed experiment again

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

That Was A Long Time Ago

It is a stretch to say he would not be better this time around. That experience has to count for something.

by Iowacowboy on Feb 20, 2010 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

using the 27th pick on a backup center is just a waste...never going to happen

unless they are serious about moving Gurode in the near future…

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 21, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Getting Gurode's Replacement

does not mean Gurode moves to the bench. Getting value at center – even if it takes a round one pick – give Dallas instant depth because Gurode could move over to play guard. Dallas needs to find legitimate replacements for center and left tackle; these two moves will shore up the oline.

by Iowacowboy on Feb 21, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

unless they are planning to move Gurode its a waste....

If they want depth at guard or center they can find one in the 2nd and 3rd rounds….Keep in mind Brewster is a 3rd round pick they want to compete for LG. Normally, guards and centers are not taking with high picks..the value is normally later.

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 21, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree you can find guards and centers later in draft

Ask the Vikings about center; they stole a good one in the sixth round I think it was

by Iowacowboy on Feb 21, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I like this mock

A safety high, and Jacoby Ford – that’s a good mock in my book.

Raf, what do you think are the chances that Jerry moves out of the first round to get some additional picks, particularly if the elite OT’s are gone by the 27th?

by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 20, 2010 4:09 AM CST reply actions  

I like the first two picks.

Pouncey in Round 1 looks good and the value plus need fits even better.

I’m also happy with a Safety in Round 2 but I like Nate Allen better than Morgan at FS. Though Morgan does look solid too.
 
You lose me in Round 3 though. I’d be happy for a Tackle but Mike Tepper is very underwhelming and he doesn’t look like a Tackle either. I currently see him being rated as the 11th Guard and the 228th player overall. I don’t like him with pick 90 something. If we pick at Tackle in the 3rd players like Stafford and Calloway look like better prospects.

Thomas in Round 4 would be solid but from what I’m seeing he mightn’t make it to R4 (seen him rated about 76th overall). I really like Lamarr Houston (about 101st overall) as Ratliff’s backup but he might not make it here either.

Jacoby Ford in Round 6 seems too late for him. He seems to be rated a 3rd or 4th Rounder.

Hunter Lawrence in Round 7 was a sound idea.

by Luke. on Feb 20, 2010 7:08 AM CST reply actions  

@ Luke

who you using as your source? You seem pretty set on one mock if you’re quoting a guy in a particular spot past the 2nd round. I’m doing composites for my ratings.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

On FS

I’d be very happy with one of the Allen/Burnett duo. I like both of them better than Thomas and especially Mays, who looks like Roy Williams Jr. to me.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 8:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Burnett the most of all the safties not named Earl

He has excellent ball skills and has experience playing the Rover FS position that Hamlin typically occupies.

by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 20, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Rafael,

I was using nfldraftscout for the ranking because they’re one of the few places that seem to give a credible list of virtually every prospect. I know there’s variation between different sites (and once you get past 100 or so it gets pretty shaky) but I haven’t seen anyone rate Tepper a third rounder myself. Scott Wright’s Draftcountdown has him rated as the 22nd Tackle.

Things that concern me about Tepper at Tackle;

"Only moderate initial quickness off the snap"

"Average quickness to get off the ball in pass protection."

"Slow. A stiff runner that isn’t able to change directions smoothly. Lumbers a bit and is forced to make lunging blocks at the second level. Has to do a better job of anticipating where the defenders will be, as he’s too often a step late."

Sounds pretty limited athletically and could struggle in pass protection at Tackle.

I really like the positions you’ve targeted in your mock though.

by Luke. on Feb 20, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

If these are the guys

that are Dallas Cowboys when the draft is over … I’ll be happy.

by Dub_TC on Feb 20, 2010 8:46 AM CST reply actions  

Most mocks have Iupati going to the Steelers

We have almost no chance of getting him. However Pouncey would be great. I think I’m starting to like him as much as Iupati. The key to the Cowboys draft is the second round. Trading out of the 1st round is a way to pick up that extra second, but I’m not down with that at all. Get Pouncey…if he’s there, and do whatever you have to to trade up in the second. That’s going to be hard though, because teams don’t want to part with their draft picks this year.

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by White Wolf on Feb 20, 2010 9:04 AM CST reply actions  

I want to give Mike Hamlin a chance

beyond that I think this is a pretty good mock, although if Ford runs under a 3.35 next week there is no way he is making it to the late 6th round.

With that in mind here is how I would change yours:

2. WR Carlton Mitchell

6. SS/FS Jordan Lake

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 9:17 AM CST reply actions  

I’m pretty sure a 3.35 would put him in the Top 5, and Al Davis would go nuts all over him :-)

by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 20, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

MIke Hamlin is just a younger Ken

These guys have the exact same skill set all the way down to the measurables. I still do not get your fascination with an early round WR. It is not a need and OL and FS are much bigger needs that need to be addressed in the first 3 rounds.

by Flounder69 on Feb 20, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Mike Hamlin is bigger and a better tackler and has more ball skills

but is probably a SS.

Secondly, besides Austin and maybe Ogletree, we don’t have a legit starting WR on this roster.

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

injured at the start of the season

and missed the first third of the season

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but nary a peep since he recovered

I don’t think he’s going to be challenging for a starting job for another year.

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by accidental innuendo on Feb 20, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

bingo quincyyyy

Count on a WR being drafted…If Tate is there they are all over him..

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 21, 2010 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Sensi can play FS

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cowboys were on their knees praying they got a crack at Delmas last year

They’re scouting the big FS this year.

Don’t kid yourself that they’re content fixing S with Mike Hamlin.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

actually i don't know why sensi plays SS and Hamlin FS

maybe is for covering TE’s but i think a swap would put both on more natural positions
hamlin SS and sensi FS
AND who realky thinks Burnett is better than Allen?
I’m not sold on that

by ratware on Feb 21, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

will be thrilled if this is their draft class

2 OL and FS with our 3 premium picks, plus a NT to spell Rat; WR with speed and a K.
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by angie'sdad on Feb 20, 2010 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

I don't know much about Burnett, but..

I think Allen is the ballhawk-type Jerry wants back there.

1-Allen
2-Rodger Saffold—plenty of LT experience, can provide depth inside for now, and eventually succeed Flozell
3-Alex Carrington—I expect to lose two of the Hatcher/Spears/Bowen combo by the end of 2010.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 9:26 AM CST reply actions  

Burnett is a better ballhawk than Nate Allen.

Burnett had 14 picks in college.

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by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 20, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

DE

Raf – do you think Dallas looks for a DE in FA?

by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 20, 2010 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

Also Raf....

I agree 100% on the “what if Gurode gets hurt?” thing, but I disagree with drafting a C (especially high) for a couple of reasons….

1. If Gurode misses extended time, I don’t want a rookie assuming that type on responsibility on a team that’s ready to win.

2. I don’t see any urgency to start grooming his replacement so soon. Top centers often play into their late 30’s. I know he can frustrating at times, but he is a top center, and too often a guy many of us take for granted. He’ll play another five to six seasons.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 9:43 AM CST reply actions  

fivetwos

Dallas really wanted a C in the 2nd last year. They like Unger cause he could play across the interior line.

Pouncey is rated much, much higher than him. Higher even than Alex Mack, from what I can tell. He’s bigger than both.

This team has nobody but Proctor who can snap the ball if Gurode gets hurt or starts to decline.

Hey, I’d love to see an OT at 27 but I’m going value. Pouncey has a chance to be there and be a real value. That may also be true with FS, but I think he’s the higher rated guy, which is why I have him there.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Dallas can afford value picks.

Give me the best interior guy over the 5th best OT anyday.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 11:10 AM CST up reply actions  

the key is to get the best player at that pick -- period

they’re assets. You stockpile them and if you need to trade somebody to fill a need, you have the ammunition.

Look, they took Martellus Bennett cause he was a huge value in the 2nd two years ago. Cincinnati offered them a 1st for him in October, if the stories on this are true.

They took Tashard Choice in the 4th cause he was too good to pass up and the Chargers offered them Antonio Cromartie for him last week.

That’s because they have value. You make a good pick, at whatever position and you add value to your overall roster.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

That is absurd

we turned down a first for Bennett? un-freakin-believable.

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Was it a 1st?

I thought it was a 2nd (which looks like a great deal now)

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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember it being a "high pick" and a player that could "contribute right away".

Rumored to be a 2nd + Chris Henry.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to pretend it was for a 2nd anyway

Thinking that Jerry passed on a 1st to keep Bennett is too upsetting.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Good strategy

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by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 21, 2010 4:18 AM CST up reply actions  

it was a second round pick for Bennett

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 21, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Raf, you mentioned 'trade up' to snag Burnett in the 2nd ...

what did we trade? You show us using all our picks this year, so does that mean we traded a late round 2011 pick?

by GalTex on Feb 20, 2010 10:43 AM CST reply actions  

Call me crazy, but I'm really hoping for McCluster in the 2nd.

I don’t care whether he plays RB or WR, he would get on the field. Plus, he would get Felix off the field on kick returns.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

Ok you are crazy.

McCluster will be a huge bust in the NFL. He lacks speed and his quickness will only do so much before his 165lb self gets destroyed.

by Flounder69 on Feb 20, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he would contribute to this offense as a rookie - no matter where they play him.

Hey, if they happened to get him at the bottom of the 2nd I would be even more excited to see their offense. Some way, someone besides Felix and Miles has to get the juice going. It’s not like Romo is throwing bombs for easy scores anymore.

By the way, where do you get that he lacks speed?

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

He lacks speed?

You think he’s going to be a bust, than allllll right, but it’s not going to be because of speed.

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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 21, 2010 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Impact players

The 1991 team went 11-5 and then proceeded to trade for Charles Haley, and draft Kevin Smith, Robert Jones, and Darren Woodson. That’s a HOF, 2 All-Pros, and a LT starter at MLB. I want to see an impact like that!

I like the idea of McCluster, simply because he could be an impact player. McCluster tore up the SEC. I just don’t see fiddling around on the margins moving the neddle for the Cowboys.

And while Aaron might be wrong, I struggle to see how you can call it ‘crazy’. DeSean Jackson, Darren Sproles disprove that its ‘crazy’.

Plus the thought of 3 WR set with Austin, RW, and McCluster in the slot with Felix in the backfield makes my heart race a little.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 20, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

That was a great Jimmy draft but

They were all major needs. Haley pissing on SF DE (guy from GB) Issac Holt was our CB( he was scary awful) Robert Jones had the speed Jimmys D required and we got lucky with Woodson.(How many college LBs convert to Safety and actually even start)

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by squidlo97 on Feb 20, 2010 9:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Everyone seems to be in love with...

that guy. Count me out for a 5’8’’ WR in round two. If he’s a RB, who is he replacing??

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 10:49 AM CST reply actions  

He's not just a running back.

He’s an all-purpose kind of guy. Who is returning kicks next year? Doubtful it would be Felix if he’s looking to have an increased role. He showed during the Senior Bowl week that he has great hands for a receiver.

Do they have to all be round pegs fitting into round holes?

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

With the emergence of players like Jackson and Harvin

I’m sold on the idea of drafting a smaller athletic guy that can be a multidimensional threat. The only caveat I would insist on be that the kid has to have a high football IQ. O

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by accidental innuendo on Feb 20, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't lump Harvin with McCluster

Harvin is one cockstrong dude in the Carolina Steve Smith mold. I just can’t put a punt returner higher Than OL DE or S.

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by squidlo97 on Feb 20, 2010 9:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

As an avid draft watcher, I absolutely despise the Cowboys trading down

However, this might be the year the Cowboys look to turn their first pick into two more second-rounders. They may or may not miss out on one of either Pouncey or Burnett — both great picks - but they could get much better value at receiver, despite the bust potential, especially if one falls to the mid or late-second round.

Also interested to see what people think of Sean Weatherspoon if he happens to be available in the first. An impact ILB is going to be important very soon. It’s not an immediate need, but would it hurt to have someone ready when the vacancy arises?

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by accidental innuendo on Feb 20, 2010 10:53 AM CST reply actions  

I don't mind an all-pupose guy..

..and KR is an issue, but I can’t justify dressing four tailbacks per game. You’re also ignoring a bigger need by spending a high pick on him. Not to even mention the size thing. Dexter’s main gig with us would be KR, and a guy like that can be had later.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 10:58 AM CST reply actions  

Personally, I think he fits many needs.

You get:

1) a kick returner…don’t know if he returns punts too
2) don’t have to draft a WR high cuz he can split out wide
3) RB – Barber and Felix have both missed time with injuries in the past two years

If they got McC in the 2nd, they could still address DE or OL in the first and third, and perhaps mix a FS in the third or fourth.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't know

I don’t see McCluster as talented enough to play slot against quality corners, or talented enough to be a decent running back. I would say he is less talented than Choice, and less talented than Crayton.

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by labone7 on Feb 20, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Antonio Brown in the fourth

is that type of guy.

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by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 20, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...difference of opinion I suppose

I’m more concerned with who will actually START at FS in 2011 or even this season, and taking one of those later doesn’t do much more for me than the Mike Hamiln/DeAngelo Smith situation has thus far.

Ideally, IMO, our KR/PR upgrade comes in the form of a 4th/nickel corner

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I would love to get a new option at FS too.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Fact is..injury aside, the ONLY chance

ANY one of this year’s picks has to crack the starting lineup is at FS. Let’s get that guy early—someone that’s ready to step in and give a boost to a secondary that could really use to create more turnovers.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I think DE is also in play

Maybe not Olshansky, but Spears’ position could be up in the air.

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by accidental innuendo on Feb 20, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Right, but Hatcher is crossing into the Proctor, McQuistan territory

he’s better than both of them and gets rotation snaps, but where would you rate him of the 6 DL? I put him 5th, in front of Siavii. And he has not made the push to challenge Spears the last two years.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh for sure. But I don't see...

Spears starting job in jeopardy to a draft pick, which is the original point.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

sounds about right

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

+1

I think Hatch is going to get pushed off the roster. Especially if they draft a DE.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2010 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Neither has shown enough consistency to earn a starting spot yet

Could we find a DE that could start as a rookie, or at the very least, jump to the front of the line as a backup?

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by accidental innuendo on Feb 20, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I would also really like to draft Linval Joseph in the 4th to play DE

He is massive 6-6 322 and can make plays

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Imagine this...

1st = Pouncey
2nd = McCluster

Offense is immediately upgraded

3rd = Myron Rolle
4th = Joseph

Defense then gets quality depth/competition

6th = OT

This position will probably be drafted higher, but is there an intriguing prospect they could develop here? If Flo returns, and Colombo gets back to being a bada$$, they could develop this guy and use Free as the swing guy.

7th = K, CB/return guy, or another OL

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Rolle

I’m a huge FSU fan, but I don’t think Rolle will be a good NFL player. He got burnt and whiffed on tackles way too often in college. I think Watkins is better. I hope I’m wrong though he’s obviously a super kid.

by Satch30 on Feb 20, 2010 11:58 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for the insight.

Damn, anybody know where this kid is projected? I’ve seen him as high as the 2nd and as low as the 6th.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

people are falling in love with him because of his intangibles and not his football skills

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree. I'd even go Carrington in the 3rd (see above)....

but again, the point is….the only one of the 22 starters I can see losing a job to one of this year’s picks is Hamlin.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe they tender him with..

only a two, and someone bites. That would be nice !

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

we may tender him with a two

but I think he gets traded for a 4th. If we are extremely lucky a 3rd.

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

If he has another decent year....

you need to either commit decent money to him or lose him to UFA. What I’m saying is, if he’s tendered this year in RFA at a two, and someone offers a big contract, I don’t match….I take the two and run.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

cuz we aren't going to sign him long term

unless he gives us a big hometown discount

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Hatcher or Bowen

and if you look at the stats teams have had a lot of success running to Spears’ side.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Either way...

one of Spears/Bowen will be gone after 2010. If I get a two for either right now, I take it and commit years and dollars to the other.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

You're not gonna get a 2 for either one

that’s the point.

I can see drafting a DE fairly high, to challenge Hatcher, but Hatcher is the guy on the hot seat, not Spears.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Spears would be a FA and not resigned Im pretty sure....

He just isnt worth what it would cost to resign him if he was a UFA.. I actually think Bowen would be an upgrade.

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 21, 2010 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think having hatcher and bowen compete for a spot is a pipe dream

I think they could do a decent job.

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Likely Bowen..

but knowing I lost Spears, I be sure and grab a Joseph or Carrington to groom behind him.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

No

He’s never done it. If he could, we would have seen him there by now.

He’s a poor man’s Jimmie Jones.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Guys like him have value, but he's a situational player on this team

He might be starter material on a team that plays a 4-3, but the Rams found out the hard way that Jones had the perfect role in Dallas. I think Bowen may be in the same position. He’s a good rusher. He’s not a great one.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair point. I think we've strayed from

the point though….which is Spears isn’t going to lose his job to anyone we get in this draft.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

agreed

but there are guys who could get interest in the 3rd to be groomed behind him.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep. I'm all for it.

(posted above)

1-Allen
2-Saffold
3-Carrington

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I like Carrington a lot

feel he may go in the late 2nd or very early 3rd. I’d love to see him there in the late 3rd, but he’s rising.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I like those sack totals

I keep dreaming of a better pass rusher at that spot. I need to stop that I know!!

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Carrington would be great

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I want more 2nd round picks!

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

Man does that always seem to be true!!

Belichick seems to have the right idea on those. Makes sense to me….they are usually guys who are talented enough to contribute, but you don’t have to commit big money to. Valuable commodity IMO.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2010 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

the key excerpts

“Draft Importance

A key way to do that is to be good at drafting. The rookie wage structure is held low by the collective bargaining agreement between the league and players. If you can select a competent starter in a late round, you may have him for five or six years at a salary far below what he could negotiate on the free market.

If, for example, the going rate for a star running back is $9 million a year, and you find one in a later round for $750,000 a year, that frees up lots of money to spend on veteran players at other positions. In this example, your rookie running back provides you with what economists call a ``surplus’’ of more than $8 million dollars a year.

The problem with the draft is that salaries of the top picks are very high. Defensive end Mario Williams, the top overall pick, has already negotiated a salary package worth $54 million over the next six years. That pay is so high that even if he is the best player at his position for years, he will provide the Texans with very little surplus. The trick in the draft is to find bargains, and there are not many at the top of the draft.

Surplus Value

Surplus value was actually highest for picks in the second round, and declines rather slowly thereafter. Second-round picks tend to perform well, but they don’t get paid nearly as much as first-rounders. That frees up money to spend elsewhere, which can be the difference between winning and losing once the season starts."

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 20, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

trade back!

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I bet

that’s what happens again this year.

by Dub_TC on Feb 20, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

To be honest

I wouldn’t mind packaging some of our late round picks from next year to move up in this draft because I honestly think that Dallas is the type of team where a few good players brought in from this draft could push us over the top.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 20, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Once again

its the time of the year where the Spears haters come out.

Dude has been solid in every year as a starter.

dude was even more than solid this year. Now signing him to a long term deal opens the danger that he pulls a roy williams 1 and forgets about playing football, but you take that risk with every 2nd contract.

No one on the current roster has outplayed him, including olshansky. Canty never did either (and certainly not last year when canty was playing for a contract) though some seem convinced he did.

by THEjarhead on Feb 20, 2010 12:02 PM CST reply actions  

Noone's hatin'

He’s pretty solid, but that’s the best I can say. I wouldn’t mind someone with a little more pass-rushing ability at the position.

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by accidental innuendo on Feb 20, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Spears both on the field and off it.

With him and Igor, it makes it real tough for teams to run on them. Develop a pass-rushing DE/nickelDT behind him and they’re good to go.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 20, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone hates Spears

I like him. I’m just imgaining how good the defense could be with a DE could rush the passer. Would be interseting to see what happened if say a Everson Griffen out of USC dropped to 27th (he’s projected at 15th the point is likely moot). Griffen has a great first step but is small to be a 3-4 DE.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Feb 20, 2010 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 21, 2010 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

neither would i

so go draft him, but I’ll have to agree with rafael: hope is not a course of action, especially in a year where you have legitimate SB aspirations.

Spears is a known comodity, and he has started on one of the top Ds in the NFL.

by THEjarhead on Feb 20, 2010 12:05 PM CST reply actions  

I'd say Spears is #2 on the FA what to do list

right behind miles, with sensi running a close 3rd.

sort this stuff out and your draft strategy comes into clarity.

by THEjarhead on Feb 20, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

I have no issue with Spears, BUT

if he has another year like last, I promise someone offers him something like 5 for 35-38 with 12-13 guranteed. He’s not getting that here. The DEs in this defense can be replaced with mid-round picks. Maybe not as well right away, but you can’t keep every player on a big money deal.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

so whats your suggestion with spears?

You cant be in the position Dallas is in and wait for DEs to develop over a couple of years.

you cant keep tendering spears every year either. you’ve got amybe one more year to do that.

by THEjarhead on Feb 20, 2010 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, just this year for the tender...

and I think he’d be a UFA this year if it weren’t for the uncapped year. Based on anything I’ve seen, they’ve made no attempt to lock him up.

The way I see it going forward…if he reverts to the form of a few years ago, it’s time to move on anyway, and if he continues to improve, he’s going to get way more money somewhere else.

My solution you ask? Draft a player reasonably early this year who will replace Hatcher for 2010, and start for Spears in 2011.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Lots of good

FS and SS will be around in the late rounds. Very good crop this year.

by DIRE WOLF on Feb 20, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

And no one mentions trading UP in the first to get one of those tackles that will be "gone"?

Not likely with JJ’s recent trend of trading down, down, down,… But if a guy is as sure a shot as you can get, at that position, I wish they’d at least consider it-

Especially if it would cost us our #1 and a player, like Bennett, plus a 4 or 5,
And not the #1 and #2, which would be steep.

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by Realist Larry on Feb 20, 2010 12:15 PM CST reply actions  

its gonna be tough

even trading up to 20 would cost us a good pick.

I’m not sure how much value bennet has.

It would likely be a 1st and 3rd at least to get that OT.

by foyesboys on Feb 22, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Round 3 is a bit of a reach for Tepper.

He is projected to go in the late 4th or 5th from what I’ve read.

by DIRE WOLF on Feb 20, 2010 12:33 PM CST reply actions  

I agree

Not saying he won’t end up that high, but I haven’t seen him rated even close to the top 100.
He’s consistently ranked behind other OT’s like Saffold, Calloway, and Fox.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

LMFAO

Jacoby Ford in the 6th lOL. You do realize he’s gna run a sub 4.2 at the combine..right?

by AustnIsMySaviour on Feb 20, 2010 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

I don't care about combine numbers

people get all worked up about that. Combine track stats mess up more teams…

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

and I'm not in love with Ford.

There are probably 6-8 other guys I could put in there. I do think they’ll take a WR late. They do it every year. And they’re pretty good at it. And why not? Colston, Austin, Collie, Garcon, all these guys are late rounders.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree with your 1st pick

Pretty sure Bruce Campbell or Trent Williams are going to fall to the late 1st round and the Cowboys will definitely snag one of them.

Wouldn’t mind seeing Gilyard or Shipley in the 3rd if they slip to there.

by Damnsammit on Feb 20, 2010 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

You and I just disagree

those are the two top FS I like the least. I like Thomas okay, but 199 lbs. is slight. He’s not the torpedo Delmas was at that weight.

Mays looked poor in coverage drills at the Senior Bowl. That guy screams Roy Williams Jr. to me. I don’t want another king-sized safety with stiff hips who gets targeted by teams.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah...

Mays did disappoint me in the Senior Bowl, but Thomas is a good safety and I’m sure they will try to bulk him up to at least 205… maybe not an immediate impact, but he is a hell of an upgrade over Watkins/Ball IMO, and I think he could challenge Hamlin for the starting job next year for sure, if not sooner.

by Damnsammit on Feb 20, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I do like your pick for Hunter Lawrence though.

After nailing the game winner in Nebraska, that guy is bound to be a great kicker in the NFL.

by Damnsammit on Feb 20, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

what makes you think that?

You seen how OTs are picked lately?

Used to be that one high rated OT slipped — every year. The last two or three, they’re going very high. 8 went in the first two years ago and some of them had 2nd and 3rd round grades.

And I’d rather have a Pouncey than a Williams. I think the former can be a dominator at his position. I think the latter would be much riskier outside and I don’t think he can play LT.

I’d be very happy with Campbell, but I seriously doubt he’s gonna be there. There’s a good chance that Davis, Okung and Bulaga are done by pick 10 or 12. I can’t see Campbell dropping 15 spots.

Shipley? No thanks.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I only like Shipley because I am a homer... prefer Gilyard but don't think he's worth a 2nd round pick

And with all the defensive talent on the board this year, I really do think one of those tackles will far fall enough for Jerry to a make a move on them.

by Damnsammit on Feb 20, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh,

And I love Pouncey, but we have Gurode in his prime at least for a couple more years. I think the Tackle position is a bit more of an immediate concern.

Free might be ready for LT, but it’d be great to add a talented 1st rounder for some depth there.

by Damnsammit on Feb 20, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

University of Texas class of '96

So I am partial to Texas players. But I’m not blind. I know Shipley has some warts, but I think he will be draftable after the 4th round. Would you mind breaking down why you don’t like him.

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by TexasGarcia37 on Feb 20, 2010 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Shipley....

….will be stud in the slot.

by Cash_BSR on Feb 20, 2010 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

im not against

taking a wr late, but ford definately wont last till the 6th. His forty alone will push him into the 3rd.

by AustnIsMySaviour on Feb 20, 2010 1:23 PM CST reply actions  

that's fine. I woudn't spend a 3rd on him

Guy has suspect hands. IMO you spend 5ths on guys with upside and question marks, not 3rds. You need more certainty with a pick that high.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 20, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian

kid is 6’6"/300 with room to grow bigger and stronger. Good punch and decent technique. Raw but has something. I would look at him over Tepper in 3rd. I would expect him to visit Valley Ranch with the other Texas/Dallas area prospects

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by TexasGarcia37 on Feb 20, 2010 1:51 PM CST reply actions  

Tepper and Washington are projects.

 One or both might fall to the 4th or even the 5th. Either would be a good pick in the later rounds.

by DIRE WOLF on Feb 20, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely worth a year's investment on the practice squad . . .

Washington is athletic but raw, having only played 1 year of high school football — late round choice or UDFA, but would definitely benefit on a full season of training and coaching.

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by Long Ball on Feb 21, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Not saying that age and depth on the OL

aren’t an issue, but does anyone think that maybe our perceived need to draft an LT or other OL so early and so often is just a bit exaggerated due to what went on in Min?

Other than that, the OL had a great season I thought. The guy many of the “experts” are so quick to replace in many mocks is Flozell, but is a Bruce Campbell (for example) going to come in, take Flozell’s job, and make our offense, and therefore the team in general, that much better in 2010?

No doubt that helps for the future, but should we not be more concerned with adding that one extra piece that puts this very-close-to-championship team over the hump?

Not arguing against it…just wondering what everyone thinks..is a first or even second round OL, who won’t start barring injury, the way to go early? More so than a ballhawk FS, or even multi-purpose, dynamic return guy?

I’m not really sold either way. I just respect the knowledge on this board and would like opinions.

by fivetwos on Feb 20, 2010 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

All of your starting offensive lineman are over 30

yes, o-lineman can play into their 30’s, but you don’t want all of your offensive line playing in their 30’s. Why? Older players are more injury prone, period. Dallas has been disgustingly lucky when it comes to injury, but that will run out. You have to start infusing youth into the o-line. What youth does Dallas have now to put into the line? Free is the only backup remotely able to be plugged in. So now this year the Dallas think group is looking at throwing resources at the offensive line for just this very contingency. I agree with them. Dallas should come out of this draft with at least two linemen drafted.

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by TexasGarcia37 on Feb 20, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Oline had problems. Not jut Minnesota

Inability to gain short yards is in part due to the OLine. i’m not a knee jerker who wants to get rid of Flo – he is the best Tackle on the team at the same time he has one year left maybe two as a starter.
Kosier – the guard who weighs about 225 at the end of the season – had the best ‘metrics’ on the line. Add to that the complete failure of the Right Tackle to stop making Ray Edwards look like Bruce Smith in the Minnesota game and you have needs on the line.
Both the offense and defense did well this year, but the offense broke down at the end and the defense is younger.

Oline in the draft please.

by alanTdot. on Feb 20, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Think of how thin we were at OL 2 season ago

and how the loss of Kosier impacted that season. Well, we’re 2 seasons removed from that and what do we have to show – D Free who showed he can play and not much else. M Holland, D Preston, Proctor and McQuistin are or should be on the bubble. That’s a lot to churn on the bottom half, not third of the roster. Brewster is nothing more than a question mark who has just missed his only season in pro ball with a season-long injury before he even sniffed the field.

Our injury luck along the O-Line was much better this season , we got hurt where it turns out we have the most capable backup. I still contend the MINN game showed Colombo wasn’t ‘game ready’ to come back

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by tdships on Feb 20, 2010 2:31 PM CST reply actions  

I love this draft

except that I would personally go after a different tackle prospect in the third such as Saffold and try to get a kicker in FA so as to avoid using a draft pick on that spot (maybe instead try adding another person to compete at a different position)

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 20, 2010 2:31 PM CST reply actions  

This draft makes a lot of sense

I don’t have the draft pick value chart in front of me, but I wonder how much ammunition it would take to trade up from our 3rd rd pick into range for Alex Carrington?

Maybe our 3rd, Stephen Bowen or Jason Hatcher and a future 5th to move up into the early 3rd to nab Carrington?

Carrington should provide a better rush at DE than Bowen does at DT. As Raf pointed out, a good pass rushing DE would go along way to improve this defense. And drafting Thomas would allow this trade up to make sense, IMO.

Pouncey, Burnett or Allen, Carrington and Thomas in the 1st 4 rounds looks good to me.

by theboysfan on Feb 20, 2010 3:00 PM CST reply actions  

That would be great

Pouncey
Burnett
Carrington
Thomas (although I would bet he’ll be long gone by this point)
 
All very solid picks. The only problem is neglecting OT until the 5th pick.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

pouncey

I have been asking about this since day 1 of the offseason. I think Gurode can and should be pushed. Someone posted a stat of most sacks given up during the postseason. Gurode was the weak link. Everytime, I hear Broddus grade him, he never has anything good to say about Gurode. Not to mention Gurode uses a little slick move, that may start getting him penalties. If you watch him just before he snaps the ball, he puts his off hand on the helmet of the opposing defender.

Raf,

What do you see our starting line looking like next year?

Shipley is the wr version of terence newman.

by TONYINCC on Feb 20, 2010 3:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

didn't we just spend a week on this?

Shipley played slot in college.

Yeah, he could play slot in the pros, but if you’re taking him in the first 3 rounds you’re expecting him to be an every down player.

He’s not, IMO. Maybe in a scheme like New England’s where the 3 wr set is your base, but Dallas doesn’t play that.

by Rafael Vela on Feb 21, 2010 12:27 AM CST up reply actions  

i was not promoting shipley

What I meant was he is an old rookie, who has probably already reached his ceiling.

by TONYINCC on Feb 21, 2010 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Best mock I've seen

The only ? mark on it is Tepper, the rest are golden picks.
Pouncey is the only Olineman prospect that will be there at 27 (unless Iupati slips) that has the slightest chance of starting.
Burnett is a ballhawk, great pick in the 2nd.
3rd round could be improved. Rodger Saffold would be a good pick if he falls. Selvish Capers plays well on the right side as well.
4th rounder Cam Thomas is a nice NT prospect with size and speed to spell Rat on a few downs as well as give us more help in Goal line downs
I doubt Ford lasts, he showed that despite small hands he has reliable hands in the senior bowl and he is a very good KR as well.
7th Round Hunter Lawrence I like as well, has made big kicks (Big 12 Championship) and the more kickers to battle the better

by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 20, 2010 4:19 PM CST reply actions  

Another second rd option

If Jerruh trades down from the first and we have 2 seconds, what about Golden Tate?
Not a big guy but very quick and dangerous and also a returner as well.

by burmafrd1944 on Feb 20, 2010 4:39 PM CST reply actions  

Raf, Do you have any information on Vladimir Ducasse?

I’ve seen him rated pretty high as a OG (Scout.com rated #2 behind Iupati). He played OT for UMass (sub-division competition). He’s listed 6’4" 326lbs. Do you think he could come in and play in the Cowboy’s system? In round 3?

by FanOfAmerica'sTeamInPatriotCountry on Feb 20, 2010 5:37 PM CST reply actions  

closer to 6'5

He is a second rounder, maybe late first.

Doubtful he makes it to the late 3rd.

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by quincyyyyy on Feb 20, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice

I would be satisfied, no matter what else follows, if Dallas comes away with Pouncey and Burnett.

Pouncey can start at LG immediately, or the Cowboys could move Gurode to LG and let Pouncey start at C. Either way the interior of the O-line would be set with Davis, Gurode, Pouncey, and Brewster as backup.

If they can get a prospect like Burnett, he can immediately start at FS, and I think Dallas could just re-sign Sensi to the SS position for a reasonable contract. That would give Dallas Burnett and Sensi as the starters, with Ball, M Hamlin, and Watkins as back ups.

If they take an OT in the 3rd (which would be a likely), I like some of the other prospects more than Tepper, but JMHO.

Cam Thomas will likely be gone by the 4th rd, but I like Torrell Troup just as well, and he could still be there.

Ford won’t be likely to still be on the board by the 6th rd, but it’s a good spot to pick a WR/RS.

Drafting another kicker sucks, but it’s a definite need, so I’m not going to criticize. I do hope they find a kicker in FA and keep that last pick free to grab another OT, DL, or CB.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2010 6:07 PM CST reply actions  

Again w/Gurode

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by Perry the Platypus on Feb 20, 2010 7:33 PM CST up reply actions  

OK I HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!!!

Pouncey could immediately play LG and backup C, and eventually replace Gurode at C.

Listen, I’m a fan of Gurode, and if the Cowboys want to leave him at center, then I’m fine with that, but if they like Pouncey better at center and want to move Gurode over to LG, I’m fine with that also. I know he struggled at G originally, but since the light came on for him after switching to center, I don’t think he’ll revert to sucking as a LG.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 20, 2010 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, early in his career he wasnt very good at either. He couldnt surplant A. Johnson at center.

 I like him at center however, I the sum of the parts is higher with Pouncey at center and GVurode at G, Im ok with it. If we are better with Pouncey at Guard and Gurode at C, Im good with that too.

I want a tackle in the worst way but Im a realist and teams reach high for LTs. They might just not be there.

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by squidlo97 on Feb 20, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you guys are digging to deep into your defense..

Yes you can use some secondary help..and definitely O-line help..but don’t fix what ain’t broke..

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by Bobbiblue on Feb 20, 2010 7:32 PM CST reply actions  

There we go

One Vikings playoff game against the most talented defensive line in the NFL, and our O line all of a sudden sucks? It’s ridiculous, Ray Edwards had the game of his life and Jared Allen, and Pat and Kevin Williams speak for themselves. Our offensive line is SOLID, I say no first round picks on an offensive lineman if there is talent (Golden Tate, Sean Witherspoon) still available.

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by labone7 on Feb 20, 2010 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It doesnt suck but its long in the tooth andf it wont be getting better.

You can also bet your ass we will see a Dline that good again in the playoffs.

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by squidlo97 on Feb 20, 2010 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

The OLine doesn't suck?

Put a less mobile QB behind that OLine (like P. Manning, Bledsoe, Marino, Aikman or some others) and you’ll get a QB that’s going to miss more than one game due to injury… And probably the highest sacked QB in the League…

Romo is mobile and he has an extremely quick release and was sacked how many times?

Do your homework, the amount of sacks and the complete failure in the power blocking attempts (for example, short yardage) in the running game mean that the OLine is in serious need of help.

It’s an extremely easy to reach conclussion…

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by Chandus on Feb 20, 2010 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

It was NOT one game. Romo suffered a career high number of sacks this year,

and if he weren’t so mobile, it would have been worse. He often made that line look better than they were. That O line has been problematic for years, and it’s getting worse.

by Fernie67 on Feb 21, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Geez, Bud didn't mean to piss you off if you wish for Romo to be a tackle-dummy then draft

Other areas I don’t care..but I’ll maintain that you guys need to beef up the O-line some and do some work on the secondary.

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by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2010 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I will be very disappointed if we trade up to take Burnett. I’m not a fan of his at all. If’ we’re going to trade up in the 2nd, I want it to be for Chad Jones

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by HawksFlyHigh on Feb 20, 2010 10:20 PM CST reply actions  

I'm a fan of Nate Allen...

But I can see Burnett, the guy was a ball hawk and a playmaker in College and has lots of potential, but he’s probably the riskier pick… I can see him busting real bad…

Meanwhile a player like Allen, who called the plays, was a leader and like a coach on the field, seems to have a better prepared head for the NFL… But Burnett has more potential.

I also like Chad Jones, but I’ll be watching the 3 cone drill numbers, I’m not so sure of his hips, he’s not as stiff as Mays but he doesn’t seems to be as fluid as Allen and Burnett.

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by Chandus on Feb 20, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Allen for the exact same reasons you state here..and Volle is a really good one also.

The thing I like most about Allen is the hits he deliversand his smarts..Alot of folks critique his speed but he runs a 4.5..and he always reads and takes the shortest route to the ball..They also critique his lack of man coverage, but who the heck lines their safety up against a wideout?..He just reads quickly leads the secondary with coverage calls and then pastes the receivers with punishing hits..The majority of the time his hits result in the ball lying on the ground and the receiver wondering what day it is..Volle is also tops on my list..I haven’t seen him play like I have Allen..but everything you read about the kid is very impressive..Damn the kid is a Rhodes Scholar..fast and very smart..That kid and Allen are my two top picks at that position.

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by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry I meant Myron Rolle not Volle..I hate it when I type too fast

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by Bobbiblue on Feb 21, 2010 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Why exactly don't you like Burnett?

I figure as an Iowa fan you didn’t really come away impressed by GT’s defense in the Orange Bowl, but if you watched the game I can hardly see why you would be critical of Burnett’s game. All night long Tech’s front seven were out of position and let Iowa’s O-line get to the second level consistently. Plus, Tech had a starting corner in Tarrant who would maybe have trouble covering me if I gave him a simple fake. To put it another way, Burnett’s talent is much higher than GT’s defense showed and for proof, look at 2008 when Tech had a much better defensive line that actually took pressure off of Burnett and allowed him to play the pass; he had seven picks.

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by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 21, 2010 5:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey Raf . . .

 . . . any reason you didn’t mention the top-rated safety in this year’s draft: Eric Berry?

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by Long Ball on Feb 20, 2010 11:33 PM CST reply actions  

I thought you were listing the top of the list of this year's crop of safeties . . .

“Dallas is rumored to be targeting free safety again and this year’s crop looks much deeper, with Earl Thomas, Taylor Mays, Burnett and Nate Allen topping the list.”

My interpretation of the quote was “this year’s crop of free safeties has Earl Thomas (1st round), Taylor Mays (1st round), Burnett and Nate Allen topping the list” — I agree that Eric Berry should be a top ten selection, but this statement was in your explanation on a 2nd round choice — don’t think Thomas or Mays would be available there either.

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by Long Ball on Feb 21, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

No ILB?

Hey Raf, no ILBs in your mock?

Who do the Cowboys have besides James, Brooking, and Carpenter?

Also, doesn’t Wade draft an OLB/DE hybrid every season?

by Turbo73 on Feb 21, 2010 2:47 AM CST reply actions  

How about Arenas?

It seems that a return man could have the biggest impact next year, as we have no real KR and Crayton is pretty avg as a punt returner. Arenas seems to be a Hester type returner and could be a valuable slot corner who would be a great blitzer. O-line should be our top priority, but I think returners are under-rated, as they can have a tremendous impact on the game. Arenas was a record setter in the top conf in the country, and I think we could get him w/ our 2nd or maybe even 3rd rounder. I’m hoping he runs slow at the combine so that he slips.

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by cowboysuberfan on Feb 21, 2010 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing Arenas wear the star.

Doubt he would slip all the way to us in the 3rd, but he could be there in the 2nd as a BPA option.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 21, 2010 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

As much as I want this Mock draft to come to fruition

it simply is not going to happen.

The last OL drafted by the ’Boys in the 1st round is 1981 (Howard Richards)…and only 3 times in the history of the franchise.

Most likely scenario is trading down, due in no small part to the uncertainty of 2011, probable last year of no rookie pay scale, and our low draft position (you stated it best that most boards only have 20-22 1st round grades).

Another brutal year of hearing “<at the Cowboys’ draft position> Dallas has made a trade with <name your favorite losing franchise that’s looking for a QB>”…probably multiple times. GM Jerry’s worst trait.

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by Fighter15 on Feb 21, 2010 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

I Don't Get This Logic

They won’t take an OL in the first because they haven’t done it in a long time or not very many times. I really doubt there is some draft bible handed down from owner to owner saying never take an OL in the first. I would think they draft for need and value and not look at what they did 30 years ago.

by staubachfan on Feb 21, 2010 10:28 PM CST up reply actions  

You're looking at it the wrong way

They are so long overdue to select OL, it’s almost assured they will take one this year.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 21, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice job, Raf

I really think this is the most likely scenario in the first round. Pouncey should be the guy. Like the Burnett selection in the second round. I dont believe you mentioned what we had to trade up to get him and how far you think we would need to move. I must admit I dont know much about Tepper, but I will look into him. Like the Thomas selection in the 4th. Big NTs are hard to come by, and I dont know if he will last that long. Ford in the 6th seems like a long shot, but would love the selection. We need someone in the return game from this draft.

I’m thankful you resisted the urge to pick a WR high. Not only do I think it’s a bad idea, I think its completely unreasonable that Jerry would do that.

by TCBinNYC on Feb 22, 2010 1:03 PM CST reply actions  

Raf?

You mention a trade up for Burnett… What exactly did you trade since you have the same pics and it’s not like we have a lot of “move down” space with our picks?

by Ojete on Feb 22, 2010 3:31 PM CST reply actions  

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