Cowboys Draft '10, Part Seven: The Particles of a Board
[Cowboys scouting director Tom Ciskowski] told me that in the initial [training camp] practices each scout is assigned a single position to evaluate. They then produce a unit evaluation, where each unit is ranked from its best player on down. The scouts do not write full reports but offer "one liners" of each player’s game.
When the Cowboys begin playing opponents, the scouts are sent DVDs of the games, so that they have an understanding of each player’s performance in live action. The reports are used as baselines; when the scouts evaluate college players, they do so in relation to the talent on the roster. "For example, if you’re grading a center and he’s similar to Andre Gurode," he said, "you would compare him to Gurode." "You don’t want to bring in players who are not as good or who can’t compete with the talent you already have on your squad."
-- "The Teaching Continues," BSR, August 2, 2008
The Cowboys are deep in their draft preparations, a process they begin each year well before the college season starts. As this quote demonstrates, the team tries to create a consensus among its scouts of its own talent. Each scout who goes on the road has a solid idea of the talent on his team's roster and can make sound evaluations of a prospects ability to make the team, in comparison to the talent already in house.
That's why my first mock stressed players on the low end of the roster, the 3rd year guys who just don't have starting talent, or the talented, but aged. Flozell Adams may be old, but how many of the current crop of '10 tackle prospects could push him?
This represents only a starting point in constructing a draft board, one which will have little relation to the ones you see on mock lists you find online or in magazines. Here's a primer on key board-building terms.
Vertical ratings -- these are the top to bottom ratings within a position group. Try it yourself. Let's take one position. Let's say safety. Rate the five guys on the team, from one to five. Mine would look like this:
- Gerald Sensabaugh
- Ken Hamlin
- Alan Ball
- Mike Hamlin
- Pat Watkins
The final numbers may seem a bit unfair to Watkins. He's been a special teams ace for a while and he started a game last year, while the younger Hamlin missed much of the season with a broken wrist. Still, Watkins is a four-year vet and has only started when injuries pushed him into the lineup. It's not apparent that he's suddenly going to challenge Sensabaugh or Ken Hamlin for downs from scrimmage.
Now, let's look at a vertical rating of college prospects. Let's look only at free safeties, and take one of the better known media graders, the National Football Post's Wes Bunting:
- Eric Berry, Tennessee
- Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech
- Nate Allen, South Florida
- Major Wright, Florida
- Taylor Mays, USC
- Earl Thomas, Texas
Let's go to the first obvious vertical question: how would each of these guys compare to Ken Hamlin and Alan Ball, the 1st and 2nd team Cowboys' free safeties?
That leads us to another vital scouting question: where does each of these guys rate by round? In other words, how many of these guys would get a first round grade? How many a second? Teams not only grade players within their groups, but they rate them in relation to other players at their position in other years. This is a very important distinction, because you may be the top player at your position but if you don't merit a top grade, a team is wasting a pick if it picks you solely on need.
Let's look at wide receiver, for an example. Two years ago, not a single wide receiver was selected in the 1st round, even though WR is the most picked offensive position in the first. This means that none of them rated as high as a Jeremy Maclin or a Percy Harvin, guys who went in the top 20 last year. Which brings us to the skill that really earns scouting departments their money:
Horizontal ratings: this is the ability to distinguish between players with similar grades. Let's say you have 24 players with a first round grade in a given year. (More on this in a minute.) You have two DEs with first round grades. You can tell which one should be higher than the other, but how does that top DE compare to the quarterback with the first round grade? Or to the cornerbacks up there?
As Michael Lombardi pointed out in a piece last year, this is where most mistakes are made. A team may need a tight end and have one with a first round grade on the board when it's pick comes up, but if it has three other players with higher first round grades also available when it picks, and it still goes for strict need, it has left value on the board and cheated itself. Which brings us to another critical horizontal point:
Teams don't build boards according to 32 player brackets. Look at the top rating services and you'll see the top 30 or top 32. This means nothing to many real war rooms. The Cowboys give a player a round rating and then slot him within that round. That round number fluctuates; the first is usually between 18 and 25 players deep. The subsequent rounds are bigger. In 2008, for instance, Dallas assigned 1st round grades to just 21 players. Last year, 23 players got that grade.
The next player on the board will begin the 2nd round. Let's say there are 20 first rounders this year, for arguments sake. The board would rate the turn like this:
- 1-18, Joe Bob, QB
- 1-19, Billy Buck, DE
- 1-20, Harry Doe, OT
- 2-21, Smith Jones, RB
and so on. When you look at the Cowboys' pick at 27, weight the odds of getting a first round value. This is just as important, if not more so, than filling that crying need you see there. Let's say there are 22 1st round grades this year. And let's say the last first rounder, a cornerback, slides to 27. What do you do? If you're Dallas, you either take him, or look for a trade partner who wants him.
This scenario isn't as unlikely as it may seem. Something like this happened two years ago. Dallas had assigned 21 1st-round grades and had the 22nd and 28th picks. They had a decent chance of landing one of the last 1st rounders with their first pick but looked likely to pick one of their top 2nd round prospects with the next selection.
Then,teams went OT crazy. Starting with Ryan Clady, six of the ten players picked between 12 and 21 were OTs. Eight OTs were picked in the first round. Some represented reaches. The NFL Networks' Mike Mayock said recently that he had assigned the Texans' OT pick Duane Brown a 3rd round grade. I had a source tell me something similar about the Lions' OT pick Gosder Cherilus.
Drafting is a zero-sum game. One player's rise means another falls. The OT flurry pushed a handful of top-level candidates into the 22 range; when Dallas came on the clock at 22, three of its 1sts were still available. This is the type of horizontal choice which tests organizations. Dallas did what draftniks and front office types profess but frequently fail to do -- it picked off its board.
Felix Jones and Mike Jenkins were available and Dallas liked both. It has Jones rated higher and took him first. A lot of amateur draftniks ripped Dallas for not taking Jenkins at 22, because a lot of semi-pro boards had him higher. Dallas didn't however, and they took their higher rated guy first. When Pittsburgh and Tennessee took RBs next, their strategy was validated. Dallas wanted Jones and would not have gotten a shot at him at 28. (Jeff Fisher admitted later that day that he wanted to draft Jones.)
Those two RB picks also kept Jenkins on the board and gave Dallas a shot at a trade up. When the Cowboys consummated a deal with Seattle, they left the round with two players from their 1st round tier.
Which brings us back to your data. Are you reading sites or services who grade talent this way? Some do build boards in this manner. The War Room has created a 7-round board for the Sporting News for several years. I find them to be required draft reading for this reason. Bunting, who I linked earlier, using a grading system which avoids round grades, but if he has 24 players this year who he feels can be "featured players."
Is your favorite draft drawing a line on rounds? When a prospect is rated, is he compared to other players at his position in this year and in other years? If it isn't, your supplier isn't building his board the way the pros build theirs.
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Outstanding
as usual.
That said, what are the chances of us actually drafting in the 1st Round?
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Pretty good.
Over the past ten years Dallas has made 8 first round selections.
That even includes the bad joey galloway deal.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 22, 2010 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
I have some trouble with the 2008 example
First Mendenhall was rated >> Jones
Second if we passed on Jones, then Jeff Fisher would have been put to the test and the Steelers still drafted Mendenhall soJerry would have been stuck with the fasted man in the NFL, current rushing leader and All Pro Chris Johnson.
The safe pick would have been Jenkins at 21 he was a top 3 CB from that class.
By the way, there’s always a run on blindside OTs. It’s the safest pick. If they can’t handle the job move’em over to the right side, if that doesn’t woulk out play some OG.
However, this year I expect the run to be on 3-4 DE and OLBs that can get to the QB. If a teams go for these positions, Jerry may finally have his first round WR.
No, no and no
1. Mendenhall and Jones were back-to-back on the board with identical grades.
The team liked Jones game better.
2. Jones was rated higher than Jenkins. They went with their board.
3. Backside OTs have not “always been run on.” This is a product of the last few years. Flozell was rated top 15 the year he came out. In the first 12-15 years I followed this stuff you could count on a LT with a high grade to fall. Now, LTs with 2nd and 3rd round grades are going in the first.
They got who they wanted. Two players with top 16 grades. Both are quality players. I have no qualms about their choices.
2010
Anyone know how many players are considered 1st rounders this year? Could give us a better indication of what the Cowboys are anticipating happening come draft day.
I’m assuming it’s less than 27 that are getting 1st round grades. I’m also assuming Maurkice Pouncey(Raf’s 1st Mock Draft’s 1st round pick) is one that does have a 1st round grade, so getting him at 27 sounds better and better. Highest rated prospect at his position..1st round grade.. at a spot that technically is equivalent to 2nd round talent. I would also be happy with quite of few other players at 27.. but if Pouncey can play guard too and play it well.. it makes sense.
that sounds about right
not much more I wouldn’t think
by I_miss_Switzer on Feb 22, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Most have it around 22
Scott Wright’s NFLDraftcountdown stops around there.
Raf’s reference NFP’s Bunting has around 20 (if you use 6.9 and above as “first round”)
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This whole draft is deep top to bottom
I wouldn’t mind trading down, and if the right player falls trade a future first for a second
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No way, first are too special
If your team sucks you get a starter if your team really sucks you get franchise QB. The smart play is what Jerry did with Spencer. Move out of the first for a second and future first, then move up to get your guy. It only works if you are willing to miss that one guy, and you can find trade partners.
If your team sucks then you are picking lower than 20 and it wouldnt be wise to trade down.
If your team really sucks then your picking better than 10 and your in prime location for talent vs. finacial committment.
If you suck the most then yor picking top 3 and obody will trade with you anyway because who wants to give up the first born to sign the guy.
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"Anyone know how many players are considered 1st rounders this year?"
Dallas doesn’t know yet.
They’re not that far along in their process. More on that this week, nor next.
excellent article
I know the prevailing wisdom is to draft the best available and not reach to fill needs, but I think drafting Jones and Jenkins in ‘08 was a perfect example of finding the optimal middle ground. It’s not like we would or should have taken two DT’s there just because they might have been our 2 highest graded guys left. Granted, that year Jones and Jenkins may have actually been the highest graded guys when we made those picks, but that I think is more to Jerry’s credit for moving around during the draft: not wasting value on guys that could have been picked lower and moving up the right amount to get the guy that fills a need.
by speedmetal on Feb 22, 2010 1:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
A CB turned FS
Is this the year the Cowboys find a CB to turn into a starting FS? It seems the Cowboys have been making an effort to do this… Alan Ball, Courtney Brown, Deangelo Smith.. all CBs turned FS.
Theres a few FS I like that will probably receive 2nd round grades..but may already be taken when the Cowboys are on the clock in 2nd round. Maybe this is the year we successfully turn a CB to FS… The Cowboys did interview UVA CB Chris Cook and discussed him playing FS.
Yeah there are a bunch of those this year
Chris Cook is one of them, and so is Ansah from IUP, and Vanderbilt’s Myron Lewis.
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Is Cook a guy they could get in the 3rd or would it have to be in the 2nd?
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Cook, Ansah, and Lewis are all 3rd to 4th rounder
Ansah sort of reminds me of Dominque Rogers Cromartie. He was a small school guy who was getting a lot of hype at the beginning of the season but the hype dropped off after he injured his shoulder, and unfortunately for him he wasn’t able to play in any of the all star games. But he will be competing at the combine and his pro day.
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actually looking at CBS rankings
Cook is a 2-3
Ansah is a 4
And Myron Lewis is a 5 – I think that was a bit surprising but on closer inspection they had him listed as a CB, but he’ll go higher than 5 because a team like the Cowboys will draft him to play FS, which I think he would be great at.
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Thanks.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Owasu-Ansah is an interesting prospect
Big CB who could become a FS. Has experience as a returner. The combine will be important for him coming out of such a small program. If Dallas misses Allen and Burnett, he might be a good fall back, along with Cook.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 22, 2010 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Mamula warnings apply to teams like Raiders who fall over backwards for measurables
Supposedly Dallas emphasizes scout reports from now, and try to lessen the impact of the combine on their numbers, hopefully making them immune
by AustonianAggie on Feb 22, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Nothing is absolute
whether taking the best player or drafting for need. You should never say never. One thing that irks me is this BS about leaving value on the board. You are building a football team to win the Super Bowl. You need an OT and you have 5 OTs rated as first rd picks. At your pick one of them is still left and you have two other players rated a little higher as first rd picks but one is a QB, the other is a RB. You have no needs at all in those areas. By the book you are supposed to either pick one of those unneeded players or trade down. Guess what? You trade down and teams in the three slots you traded down take all 3. DOOFUS. Take the tackle as long as he is rated as a first rd tackle.
I agree, personally
I think even Jerry would stay put if he wanted someone that close to the top of the remaining board. Where teams seem to go wrong is picking a guy a round or so ahead of where any other team would have taken him. The raiders and others just pick the guys they like without any regard to the market value of the picks and prospects. Jerry’s good at working the market. Maybe the best.
by speedmetal on Feb 22, 2010 12:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
You can't get cute
Trade down into the second to get an OT from the next tier and a future pick. Don’t drop a few slots hoping to get your guy at the right value.
I would assume it's because of his size.
by Alexcomestokill on Feb 22, 2010 1:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
still, thats too much a down grade just based on size
I can’t possibly see how he gets past us at 27 if he’s still there.
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Hell...
Bob Sanders went 44th over all and he’s only 5 foot 8
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 22, 2010 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
I think Wes Bunting doesn't think Earl Thomas is physical enough
He’s said more than once that Thomas might be better as a CB.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 22, 2010 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
That is my only concern.
But I don’t think it’s big enough to make his the 6th safety.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 23, 2010 7:06 AM CST up reply actions
Usually, there is between 20 and 22 players with true 1st round grades
I don’t know either, but I’m guessing that number is a little higher this year. Maybe 23 or 24.
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You're probably right
By most accounts, this is the best and deepest draft in years. The number of 1st round grades is likely the highest its been for some time. This bodes well for us catching the tail end of those prospects at 27. It also suggests we might try to move up a handful spots if there’s a guy at a position of need thats not likely to make it to us.
Gotta love a good deep draft.
Kinda wish we had 12 picks in this one.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
how would they all make the team??
I only see 4-5 draftees making the team this season at best. Gotta remember we have a bunch of 2009 rookies coming back from injuries.
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I know...I meant I wish they had 12 this year and 6 last year.
Of course, I would want higher picks than they had last year.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, this would be the year to have a lot picks
if your roster could accommodate them.
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In a somewhat related matter, it looks as if Jason Williams is bulking up this offseason.
From his twitter:
Man that was a good ass workout. 235 here I come
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
I just love it when they post some azzzz.
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I mean "slimming" up.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I just thought it was a good time for a punchline.
The last thing I need this early in the morning is a linebackers….
I think this would be a good time for the gratuitous hot chick pic.
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Well, I don't want to go way off topic here
But is there anyway, like…to get a list from someone on this site or somewhere, of all the cowboys players with twitter? I’m not big into twitter but im really interested in the cowboys pages, and posting on there and what not, but if I could get a list of all the cowboys players, that’d be great!
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I doubt I have the full list, but BTB's twitter page has a players list that it maintains.
http://twitter.com/BloggingTheBoys/cowboys-players/members
These are the real players. You, of course, don’t want to be following any fake pages as they will be loaded with SPAM.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Five more not there...
http://twitter.com/MilesAustinIII
http://twitter.com/marccolombo
http://twitter.com/marcusdixon92
http://twitter.com/24marionbarber
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Aaron
You are the man, my friend. Thanks a lot
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
No prob.
And a bunch of those players have the links to their official websites too on their twitter accounts.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
I noticed that
I just love the fact that you can actually talk to the writers here. 99 percent of sports blogs I got to you never talk tothe writers, as if they’re above speaking to the fans. Not you guys, hell most of you came from right here in the comments sections. Love this site and you guys man, you’re my cowboys family! Now, lets talk about that allowance.
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
Top 27 Prospects -- Only because we pick at 27, not because they all have a 1st round grades.
Unfortunately, I don’t think the Cowboys will draft an OT in the 1st round…for obvious reasons. They won’t reach. They’ve been playing the draft game much better the last few years. I expect that when they’re on the clock at 27 there may be a top 15 or top 20 player on their board available. If that player is an OL, Safety, DE, ILB, or maybe WR, they’ll probably drop the hammer. We just have to wait and see how the picks fall for picks 15-27. I could see them trading down if none of their players are there. I’m also getting the feeling Tashard Choice or Martellus Bennett could be trade bait.
Based on the Cowboys picking at 27, here are the top 27 prospects according to position:
Draftcountdown
DL – 8
OL – 5
S – 3
WR – 3
OLB – 2
QB – 2
RB – 1
ILB – 1
CB – 1
TE – 1
NFLDraftScout
DL – 7
OL – 7
S – 3
WR – 2
OLB – 2
QB – 2
RB – 2
ILB – 1
CB – 1
TE – 0
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Both sites had 3 safeties.
Did Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech, Nate Allen, South Florida or Major Wright, Florida make the top 3. Just because there’s 20 something guys with first round grades, doesn’t mean there’s consensus across the 32 war-rooms.
In order they rate them
Draft Countdown
Eric Berry (3rd rated player on their board)
Taylor Mays (15)
Earl Thomas (22)
NFL Draft Scouts
Eric Berry (2nd rated player on their board)
Taylor Mays (13)
Earl Thomas (19) (listed as a CB on their board)
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Yeah, Thomas is more of a cover saftey.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 22, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
So if the Cowboys have like a 23 player board
And they’re all gone when our pick comes by, does this mean we’re a lock to trade out of the first?
What pick is Morgan Burnett being projected to?
by Cowboysaficionado on Feb 22, 2010 10:02 AM CST reply actions
No team is a lock to trade out
you need a trading partner to trade up or down and as hard as it is to believe, sometimes you can’t find one in 10 minutes when you’re on the clock.
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Mock
Dallas is very high on Weatherspoon.
1. Sean Weatherspoon, ILB, Missouri – http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=72753&draftyear=2010&genpos=OLB
2. Nate Allen, FS, South Florida – http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=64437&draftyear=2010&genpos=FS
3. Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale – http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=86432&draftyear=2010&genpos=OT
4. Mitch Petrus, OG, Arkansas – http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=78324&draftyear=2010&genpos=OG
6. Stephan Virgil, CB, Virginia Tech – http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79277&draftyear=2010&genpos=CB
7. Chris Carter, WR, Cal Davis – http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=21597&draftyear=2010&genpos=WR
Weatherspoon is a badass but...
he’s an OLB.
Where would he fit with Dallas?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 22, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Unless they think he can play inside.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 22, 2010 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
If he can play ILB then yeah
And if that Jason Williams kid can actually play, the Cowboys would have a badass combo at LB positions for many years.
by Cowboysaficionado on Feb 22, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
I think that is what he would have to play.
And I have a hard time seeing us take him even though I do think he is a stud.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 22, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Petrus
Has all the potential to be a stud, if the cards falls right. And Chris Carter!? I guess when you’re over 40 and you enter the draft your stock falls. Maybe he could teach Miles to be better like he did with Moss?
…obviously…I kid….about the Chris carter part.
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here's another scouting report on Weatherspoon
Strengths:
Good size and bulk-Very athletic-Great speed-Has a burst and really closes in a hurry-Quick and agile-Solid instincts-Reliable tackler and a powerful hitter-Has sideline-to-sideline range-Nice balance and body control-Great strength-Works through traffic well-Capable pass rusher and blitzer-Very smooth and fluid in coverage-Good hands and ball skills-Tough and physical-Active with a non-stop motor-Smart-Hard worker-Team leader-Has a ton of quality experience-Durable-Versatile-Super productive.
Weaknesses:
There isn’t a lot of violence in his game-Has some trouble taking on and shedding blockers-Can use his hands better-Takes too long to read the action on occasion-Appears to be a little stiff-Doesn’t always play with proper pad level-Can be overly aggressive at times.
Notes:
Nickname is “Spoon”-Was a three-year starter at Mizzou-Named 1st Team All-Big 12 in 2007, 2008 and 2009-Earned All-American honors in 2008 (3rd Team) and 2009 (2nd Team)-Led the Tigers in tackles from 2007-2009 and ranks second in school history in that category-Returned two interceptions for touchdowns during his career-Also excelled on special teams-Underwent surgery to repair a torn labrum in his shoulder prior to the 2008 season-Could project either outside or inside at the next level-A true playmaker who always seems to be around the action-Fantastic all-around player with an outstanding blend of physical tools and elite intangibles.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/OLB/Sean-Weatherspoon.php
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I don't like this....
Has some trouble taking on and shedding blockers
That wouldn’t make a good 3-4 LB
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 22, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
It's true I have seen him play
Weatherspoon will run away from blocks. He won’t be able to play the strong side.
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That seems like a good fit
I hope they pass on him.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 22, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
You guys all treat DCD as some kind of gospel
I like Scott Wright and he’s a good resource, but I find his ratings to be some of the least accurate out there.
caveat draftnik.
I think a lot of fans gravitate to his rankings
because he’s one of the few free draft analysis sites left out there. Even Kiper’s site is now a pay site at ESPN.
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Goose is the best because he doesn't use his own opinion on players
he talks to the GM’s.
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right, his 100 is very good
but it won’t come out until mid-April.
I just love the certainty so many people exhibit here on mock projections. The TEAM isn’t close to finalizing its board yet.
where have you seen that the Cowboys are high on Weatherspoon?
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Very Enlightening Post
One of the best explanations of draft stratagey I have ever come across.
I hope someone in the Cowboy draft team reads it.
by TCB Orange Dino on Feb 22, 2010 12:14 PM CST reply actions
Jason Fox out of Miami
is 6’7" 314 lbs. Four year starter and almost all at LT. At #27 Dallas needs to take hard look at him. Also he can carry more weight on his tall frame. If his combine is good I look for him to move up the board on a lot of team’s board.
You would maybe consider him in the second or the third
due to his injury history.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 22, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen him in mock draft
from a late 1st down to a 4th. A good combine could help his chances of beening drafted early.
He's not 1st rd value
Dallas could probably get him in the 3rd. He’s kind of under rated I think.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 22, 2010 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm curious...
..what the Cowboys stance on ‘problem-child’ players will be this year. Historically, Jerry hasn’t minded taking the risk if the player was talented enough. But they had a large amount of success last year after doing an almost complete 180 from that.
The reason why I bring it up is Carlos Dunlap. He’s a guy who was graded as a top 5-10 player for most of the year, then dropped precipitously because of getting arrested the week of the SEC Championship. By all accounts, he’s a physical marvel and I could see him replacing Spears by the end of the year with his 6’6", 295 frame. I know that Raf has ruled out DE in the first because of depth at the position and having a decent player there, but wouldn’t Dunlap be BPA?
Is this a catch-22? If the character concerns aren’t that great, he’ll be gone before the Cowboys pick. If he falls to 27, then the character concerns may be too great to use a first round pick on him at all.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
the problem children draftee pipeline shut off the day Parcells came to town
having Antonio Bryant throw a jersey in his face probably moved him to dynamite and fill in that pipeline’s hole with concrete.
Randy Moss was a problem child
but I think in hindsight, less of a problem than people gave him credit for. Do you think if a new Moss like player was coming out, we’d take him this time?
by AustonianAggie on Feb 22, 2010 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
I havent' ruled out any position in the 1st.
with the possible exceptions of QB, RB and TE
What about CB?
On the one hand, Newman is getting old and was less effective last year. And there seem to be a few CB’s who could get graded into a group that would get taken around the Cowboys pick.
On the other hand, I’m not sure he played poorly enough to think that a first round CB pick would replace him. Also, they seem pleased with Scandrick-as am I, Steve Smith notwithstanding. I don’t know if you want to spend a 1st round pick on somebody who would come in as the 4th option and 2-3 player position.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Feb 22, 2010 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
It would depend on value there...
if a top rated CB fell, I think Dallas would take him.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 22, 2010 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
A top rated CB is obviously desirable
but I just don’t see where Newman was getting burned, or playing worse. In fact I’d say Newman has basically played the exact same for 3 straight years
by AustonianAggie on Feb 22, 2010 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think they would have to be a highly rated CB...
I mean like if a top 15 guy dropped and you just had to get him.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 22, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Unless its Joe Haden falling about 20 spots
I see no way in heck the Cowboys go CB in the first round.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 22, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
Seems like he’s the only CB with a really high grade, then there is a drop off to CB’s with 2nd rd grades.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 22, 2010 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Great article, Raf.
Thanks for shedding a little light on how an NFL team actually approaches the draft.
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