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Chewing on Leftovers from the Dallas Cowboys 2009 Draft

Last April, the Cowboys drafted 12 players between rounds three through seven. Of those 12 picks, only OLB Victor Butler, K David Buehler, and TE John Phillips contributed on a regular basis during their rookie seasons.

In limited action, Victor Butler (4th Round, Selection 110) finished the season with 17 total tackles, three sacks, and a forced fumble. He showed flashes of the strong pass-rushing abilities he had at Oregon State. Butler's continued development will be something to keep an eye on come training camp.

David Buehler (5th Round, Selection 172) led the NFL with 29 touchbacks on kickoffs. He was also credited with three solo tackles. Moving forward, it looks as if Buehler will get the chance to prove he can be the starting placekicker next season. By hiring Chris Boniol as a kicking consultant now, perhaps the Cowboys will see that they have enough competition between Buehler and recent CFL signee, Connor Hughes, to prevent them from having to draft another kicker. After all, they only have six draft picks this year.

While John Phillips (6th Round, Selection 208) caught just seven passes for 62 yards during the regular season, he provided solid blocking on offense and was a core special teams player. Phillips' dependability should allow Jason Garrett to continue the two-tight end set while also giving the team another option from the fullback position.

Having just three of 12 players sum up the Class of '09's rookie accomplishments suggests that there has got to be some leftovers. With the taste of winning brushing past the team's palate, this next season should prove to be a hungrier one. Hopefully, 2010 will better indicate how this class will contribute to the team's future.

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Of the Cowboys' 12 draft picks, only three did not make the team. DB DeAngelo Smith, the first of three Dallas 5th-rounders, was waived in early September. He finished the season as a Detroit Lion. Both 7th-round picks, CB Mike Mickens and WR Manuel Johnson cleared waivers and were signed to the practice squad. Mickens, who struggled in camp, was picked off the practice squad by Tampa Bay in November.

Manny Johnson will compete for that last WR spot next season. So far, he would have to beat out Jesse Holley and Titus Ryan just to have a chance. Sam Hurd and Kevin Ogletree will be right above him in the depth chart.

His best shot at earning the job is to contribute on special teams. During his tenure on the practice squad, Johnson returned punts for the scout team. It's doubtful that Patrick Crayton is ready to hand those duties over, but Johnson can at least give the team another option there during camp and preseason.

We didn't get to see much of Manny's quickness, so here's some of what he showed at Oklahoma (gotta love that screen at the 2:00 mark).


Other than developmental QB Stephen McGee (4th Round, Selection 101), the rest of this Cowboys' draft class was set back by injuries. In the end of the year press conference, Jerry Jones indicated that these players should be ready to contribute next season.

Because of injuries to this draft class, we'll have a draft class and a half, good news is the injured players were in the strength and conditioning programs and they've done outstanding. At that young age, improving coming out of college, they were outstanding in how they used that time. They can come in and compete.

Top pick, ILB Jason Williams (3rd Round, Selection 69), suffered a high ankle sprain in the preseason. Coming out of the gates, it slowed his progress, but he did end up seeing the field and registering three tackles on the season. With Keith Brooking and Bradie James playing strong throughout the season and Bobby Carpenter manning the cover-linebacker role, there was no need to force Williams into play.

Unfortunately, Williams' lack of playing time gave us, BTBers, little evidence of what he could be for this year. He won't be challenging anybody for a starting job, but it's hard to imagine Wade Phillips not wanting to get this guy on the field. We know he's fast. We've heard he's explosive. Maybe he could be a pass rush specialist from the middle, as Mike Mayock says here.

Dallas' second third round pick, offensive lineman Robert Brewster, began and ended the season on the Non-Active PUP list with a torn pectoral muscle. Brewster, who played RT in college at Ball State, could conceivably put himself in competition with Kyle Kosier for the starting LG position.

The Cowboys followed up their Victor Butler pick in the fourth round with another college DE that they would project as an OLB: Texas Tech's Brandon Williams (Selection 120). Unfortunately, Williams tore his left ACL early in the preseason while covering a punt against the Titans.

In '10, Williams will most likely back up SOLB Anthony Spencer, moving Butler back behind Ware on the weakside. Also like Butler, Williams should push for some action as a situational pass rusher on nickel and dime packages. Here's what he could be capable of.

The only other Cowboy who ended the season on IR was sixth-round pick (Selection 197), Stephen Hodge. Hodge is a converted college safety who the Cowboys see as a weakside ILB. The team placed him on IR after swelling continued to slow down his recovery from knee surgery.

At TCU, Hodge was known as a physical player and a tackling machine--both on defense and special teams. One 2008 game, in particular, stands out.

In the Poinsettia Bowl against Boise State, recorded 11 tackles, three tackles for loss, a sack and an interception on defense while also returning two kickoffs for 47 yards.


SS Michael Hamlin is another '09 rookie that the Cowboys hope to depend on. At this point, the backup spot to Gerald Sensabaugh is Hamlin's for the taking. Alan Ball is more in the mold of a FS, so he won't compete there. Patrick Watkins can play the strong-side in a pinch, but will probably compete with Ball to backup Ken Hamlin.

Mike Hamlin showed promise in camp and preseason up until he broke his wrist against the 49ers. After having seven screws put into his wrist, Hamlin was able to make his debut in the regular season against the Redskins. He notched his first tackle on Thanksgiving Day against the Raiders.

He looked to be a playmaker at Clemson. It'd be nice if he shows some of this with the Cowboys (warning: you might want to mute).


The good thing about these injuries is that the Cowboys were able to keep much of their '09 draft without having to count them towards the 53-man roster. If these "redshirts" have done, as Jerry Jones says, an "outstanding" job in the strength and conditioning program, they will have a leg up on this year's rookies. Who knows? Maybe they will even push some vets for playing time.

When April rolls around, though, some of these leftovers from 2009 may see another face with which they will have to compete. The Cowboys' expected needs on the offensive line, in the defensive backfield, and perhaps at wide receiver will force guys like Robert Brewster, Mike Hamlin, and Manny Johnson to take giant steps forward. And never rule out the Cowboys drafting another linebacker. Jason Williams should be given every chance to compete, but Brandon Williams and Stephen Hodge have some making up to do.

It's been called the "special teams" and "depth" draft. With 12 picks--all being in rounds three through seven--I've also seen the term "quantity over quality" attached to the Cowboys '09 Draft class. We may not be able to grade it for a year or two from now, but we are sure to have some answers come the 2010 season.

If you only watch one video, this one sums up Dallas' draft last year.


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I blasted the Cowboys’ draft last year from Day 1, and it still looks as bad as I had originally thought. But with that said, I will admit I was dead wrong about David Buehler – I had laughed at the Cowboys for wasting a 5th round pick on a kickoff specialist. Oops, got that one wrong.

by JimmyK on Feb 24, 2010 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

you can't judge a draft class after one year

Gotta wait at least three years before making a fair judgment.

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by Terry on Feb 24, 2010 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

12 picks, no projected starters next year, very little production whatsoever from anyone in their rookie seasons… Sure, I believe in the 3-year rule too, but these guys aren’t exactly off to a good start.

by JimmyK on Feb 24, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean none of them are

Macho Harris, obviously. I mean that’s a winner, that one.

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by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Feb 24, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Had no intention of bringing the Eagles into it, but if you insist...

Jeremy Maclin – 55 catches, 762 yards, 4 TD. 7 catches for 146 and a TD in one playoff game. Projected starter next year.

LeSean McCoy – 637 rushing yards, 4 TD, 40 catches, 308 receiving yards. Projected starter next year.

Cornelius Ingram – Torn ACL in camp

Macho Harris – Obviously, you don’t think much of him, and why should you? But in fairness, he was playing at a position he’d never played at any level, and was doing it the highest level of football… and starting… Week 1 this year. I’m not sure if he starts this year, but he’s only going to get better. And guess what… He played more than double the snaps this season than all of your rookies… COMBINED!. Look it up.

Fenuki Tupou – Redshirted.

Brandon Gibson – Had an awesome camp. Was good enough to get a starter (Will Witherspoon) in return for him in a trade.

Paul Fanaika – Cut

Moise Fokou – 39 tackles.

Oh, and we also got Pro Bowler Jason Peters in return for picks as well as Ellis Hobbs.

Yeah, I’d say we did OK.

by JimmyK on Feb 24, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha, no, Fokou is from Cameroon.

by JimmyK on Feb 24, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

time will tell

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by DalaiLuke on Feb 24, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Tupou will be solid...you watch.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope so. Ahhh, forgot you were an Oregon guy. Took me a second to figure out why you liked him.

by JimmyK on Feb 24, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

He was pretty good in college though.

Playing in the Ducks’ offense should bode well for him in that West Coast O. I’m surprised he didn’t get in last year considering all those injuries up front.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

They IR’d him in camp.

by JimmyK on Feb 24, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

After your 1st and 2 nd rounders your draft looks no better.

When you piss away your 1st rounder your draft takes a dive. Still, injuries to Brewster and Hason Williams doesn’t even allow for an assessment.

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by squidlo97 on Feb 25, 2010 12:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Totally disagree...

Brandon Gibson was a great pick – We traded him for a starting LB, and he had the 2nd most receiving yards on his new team, despite only playing 8 games. Moises Fokou was a great find in the 7th – At the very least he’s a really good special teamer, and can play all 3 LB positions as a backup. Macho Harris didn’t have a good season, but like I said above, he played double the number of snaps of all the Cowboys’ rookies combined at a postion he’s never played before – I like his potential. And Cornelius Ingram was tearing up camp before he tore his ACL.

And every single one of those guys were drafted in the 5th round or later. Even without Maclin and McCoy, the Eagles got way more production from their rookies.

by JimmyK on Feb 25, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks like the Rams took you.

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 25, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

They may have.

We’ll see… I really liked Brandon Gibson. We got Will Witherspoon in return, which was awesome for us in the short-term, but Gibson could wind up having a really solid NFL career.

by JimmyK on Feb 25, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You’re a Pac 10 guy… You have any thoughts on Gibson?

by JimmyK on Feb 25, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Again you credit your guys who were productive for other teams and guys who were hurt.

We lost 2 guys from our draft with potential. Jason Williams has as much potential as your LBs. He was dinged up and had much better guys behind him. Ogletree looks good. They were actually drawing up plays for an undrafted rookie and bring him key situations. Thats as big a vote of confidence in a young player as anything.
Victor Butler is a name you should remember. He didnt play much but he had a key sack and and even bigger open field tackle on McNabb. He can turn the corner on a pass rush. It will be hard to fully evaluate him because with Ware and Spencer in front of him his contribution wont be as high but his value will be the same.
 Bueler wont get the pub for being a kicker but he put you guys in the hole on almost every KO. It adds up. Field postion matters.
There are a couple of guys left that several on here are still high on. I just havent seen enough of them to speak up. Hamlin and the S/LB from TCU is a tackling machine. These guys were also hurt all year.
Its way early to declare a victory. The last 5 years our drafting team has really unearth some Gems late in the draft and FA signings. Enough for mee to have hope in 1 or 2 more guys taking a big step up for us.

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by squidlo97 on Feb 25, 2010 6:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Let's see... why is there a three year rule...

1. Anthony Spencer (first two years mere potential)
2. Felix Jones (first year flashes … )
3. Michael Jenkins (first year inconsistent)
4. Andre Gurode … weak at first

… and that’s just recent w/ the Cowboys. Making silly dismissals about a draft that was void of 1st and 2nd round picks, that had so many season-ending injuries, and that is less than a year behind is … well… kinda silly.

… and coming from an Eagles fan that is hoping a praying for a great draft to avoid a minor-league “rebuilding” stretch is … well … silly too.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Feb 24, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Gurode was weak at first

only because they made him a guard. I think he’s inattentive when he’s not the decision maker on the OL

by AustonianAggie on Feb 24, 2010 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

okay ... the comment to follow went something like ...

Just a few recent history reminders why commenting on last year’s draft is silly…

1. Anthony Spencer (took 2+ years)
2. Michael Jenkins (inconsistent in rookie year)
3. Felix Jones (injuries and mere potential)
4. Andre Gurode (inconsistent at first)

… just goes to show why commenting on recent drafts is at best silly… especially when you are an Eagles fan that is hoping and praying for this year’s draft to deliver you from the black hole tag known best as “rebuilding”

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by DalaiLuke on Feb 24, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

damn opium

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2010 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

opium and/or 3rd world internet ...

:)

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by DalaiLuke on Feb 24, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Lamanet

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey brother, I’m just saying they’re not off to a good start. Most players at least show flashes their rookie season. Victor Butler showed a little bit and Buehler is great at what he does, but is about as specialized as you can get… but that’s about it. Am I saying this group will never contribute? No. Am I saying I’m thoroughly unimpressed so far? Yeah, I’d say that’s about accurate.

As for this…

… and coming from an Eagles fan that is hoping a praying for a great draft to avoid a minor-league "rebuilding" stretch is … well … silly too.

I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to say there.

by JimmyK on Feb 24, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you might have an idea...

When you’ve lost the heart of your D (Dawkins) and the soul of your O (Westbrook) … throw in a QB on his last legs … and perhaps it’s wishful thinking from a Cowboys fan, but to me that looks like team on the brink of rebuilding. I know, I know, you’ve found all the solutions and then some … and Kevin Kolb’s the next … Romo? … :)

Sorry if it’s easy to think the Eagles are staring at a rebuilding phase. Unless of course your solution is a mere draft away.

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by DalaiLuke on Feb 24, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I’d say they’re pretty much rebuilt… Well, at least their offense is. McNabb aside, there isn’t a projected starter on the offense that’s over 28 years old. And the defense is plenty young, too.

by JimmyK on Feb 24, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Well just to be fair...

two of the higher picks got hurt early.

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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 24, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Bye Dawk, go fly away

Nobody cares what you think of the Cowboys draft. You, give it a bad review? What a shock!!!

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by APerfectStar on Feb 24, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Would you give it a good review?

by JimmyK on Feb 24, 2010 11:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Dawk... bottom line is that you sound like ... well... a troll
it still looks as bad as I had originally thought

Sorry, but that’s pure troll … so my reply is thus:

… and we still CRUSHED YOU in the last two games … m’kay?

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Feb 25, 2010 7:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha…

so my reply is thus:

… and we still CRUSHED YOU in the last two games … m’kay?

Translation – “I’m losing the debate and have nothing left to say.”

Anyway, we’re talking about the Cowboys’ draft, and I had an opinion on it. If a Dallas fan doesn’t think they had a good draft last year and expresses their opinion, would he or she be a “troll?”

by JimmyK on Feb 25, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Dawk, maybe you'd make a good lawyer (oxymoron) but a lousy Cowboys fan...

opinions from lonely eagles fans that include retractions about beuhler come across as weak attempts at attention… at which you succeed marvelously here…

but …

troll none-the-less … and like previous posts where you ignore and/or deflect criticism, you also seemed to have ignored the replies which take issue with your rather extreme (dare I say TROLL-LIKE?) opinions

and by the way, did I mention we CRUSHED you?

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Feb 25, 2010 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes, you crushed us. You got blown out the following week in Minnesota, and since you made the “Final 8,” you have no ability to sign free agents. Congrats.

As for ignoring/deflecting criticisms, I have no clue what you’re talking about. I’ll tell you what… If you’re so interested in my replies to whatever criticisms you’re talking about, list them and I’ll address them each one at a time.

by JimmyK on Feb 25, 2010 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

actually, i'd rather not feed the troll

but thanks for askin’

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by DalaiLuke on Feb 25, 2010 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Would it be intelligent to say they’re not off to a good start?

by JimmyK on Feb 25, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

sure, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad draft

Drafts aren’t judged on how players perform their rookie years, they’re judged on how well they play for that team over a period of years.

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by Terry on Feb 25, 2010 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

not off to a good start

… is that a retraction? or merely another attempt at squeezing more attention out of this debate?

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by DalaiLuke on Feb 25, 2010 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

is that a retraction?

Haha, no. The 3rd comment on this thread (by me) said…

12 picks, no projected starters next year, very little production whatsoever from anyone in their rookie seasons… Sure, I believe in the 3-year rule too, but these guys aren’t exactly off to a good start.
or merely another attempt at squeezing more attention out of this debate?

Maybe. These threads would be extremely boring if nobody ever replied to anything. I’m adding my opinion. Some people might agree with opinions of others, some might not. Isn’t that kind of the point?

by JimmyK on Feb 25, 2010 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Your opinion is obviously slanted (the Iggles 3rd-7th rd picks were no better than ours)

And to answer your question on grading, I give them an incomplete. 12 picks, 2 went to PS (where one was signed away), 5 suffered injuries that cost them the season, 3 became contributors this season. 1 backup QB being groomed for the future, and 1 bust who was cut after camp and signed with another team. The real meat of the draft hasn’t had a chance to show what they can or can’t do.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2010 4:27 PM CST up reply actions  

The Eagles late pick absolutely, positively were better. Take Maclin and McCoy out the equation, and it still isn’t close.

…and the Eagles didn’t even have a 3 or 4.

by JimmyK on Feb 25, 2010 5:03 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't see it

You claim a backup LB/special teamer and Macho Harris are better than Dallas’s entire draft. It doesn’t get more homer than that.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2010 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

…and a WR that we traded for a starting LB.

So… Yes.

I’m not saying those 3 players (Fokou, Harris, Gibson) did anything even remotely special, but they’ve done a hell of a lot more than the Cowboys’ draft class thus far. That’s not being a homer – It’s pretty much just making a fairly obvious observation.

by JimmyK on Feb 25, 2010 7:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

OK but that's a different statement

Your team’s picks played more snaps (I’ll take your word for it) is different than saying the picks are better.

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by APerfectStar on Feb 25, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

when you have a loaded roster like the Cowboys

It’s very difficult to start as a rookie or 2nd year player ,but don’t be surprised if Hamlin pushes for a starting job next year and Buehler might be our starting kicker.

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by Terry on Feb 24, 2010 1:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Really? What if he can kick 55-yarders?

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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 24, 2010 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

he never had a kicking coach either

Kicking is like golf, it’s all technique and mechanics so once he learns those from Boniol, he should improve tremendously in his accuracy.

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by Terry on Feb 24, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

That was similar to what I was going to reply

As Eagles fans like to point out, the Cowboys were exceptionally lucky last season staying healthy. At least the veteran roster was. Other than Brewster, who himself was injured, where would the opportunities be to supplant a subpar starter? Even Ogletree got some burn, despite the obvious politics of needing to stick with Roy Williams through his issues. If anything, Eagles fans certainly got much better value for their traded 1st round pick than the Boys. No doubting that. But the Eagles had plenty of opportunities for fill-in players due to injury.

by ddthinks on Feb 24, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

wait ... we passed on Ogletree with our 7th round picks because we had a good idea we could get him as an UDFA ...

so he shouldn’t count. neither should Romo or Austin.

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by DalaiLuke on Feb 24, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

IMO Hamlin will be the best player from this draft class

I see him starting in a few years and becoming a fixture in the secondary for years to come.

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by Terry on Feb 24, 2010 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

I want to see Phillips push Marty B's wacky ass right to the bench next year

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Feb 24, 2010 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

Marty B's good at a lot of things. Rapping. You tube.

I’m afraid being an NFL football player is not one of them.

Having the ability to block and catch is different from doing it as an NFL player.

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Feb 24, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

you'll see him in a lot of running game highlights

making devastating blocks, very often

He’s so good at it I think he should be moved to Tackle

by AustonianAggie on Feb 24, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Marty B still falls in the realm of "potential" ...

It’s up to him to prove he can do it … and I think he will do just that. If only because he treasures his name in lights (well, that and his tremendous talents)

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by DalaiLuke on Feb 24, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

true dat

I realize my conjecture on him at tackle will likely never be realized, but I wonder if he’d rather be a TE for catching TDs or a tackle for the fat $$$

by AustonianAggie on Feb 24, 2010 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

He's 265 now

he needs at least 40 pounds. Not physical enough for Tackle, either, IMO

"Drinks are on me if Lewis posts >168IP and an era lower than 3.86." by RangerMad on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST

by jam0152 on Feb 24, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with your comments about Marty B

but as OCC pointed out in one of his posts, he is still very young and a little maturing might make him into the player he showed flashes of in his first season.

by oldboysfan on Feb 24, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

As second year players

is it impossible to imagine Mike Hamlin, Robert Brewster, Jason Williams or Stephen Hodges being regular contributors?

by AustonianAggie on Feb 24, 2010 12:50 PM CST reply actions  

Y'all heard of this LSU player Trindon Holliday?

5’5, regular sub 4.3 speed. Plays WR but hardly played the skill positions, mostly a KR.

He’s the kind of guy I’d drop Tate for, and try to get in the 4th round. You just can’t fake speed like that.

by AustonianAggie on Feb 24, 2010 1:18 PM CST reply actions  

when you consider, with Dallas' D

we should get 4 PRs a game, at least, and of which 2 will be returnable… there’s starting WRs on the Cowboys roster who don’t touch the ball that much

by AustonianAggie on Feb 24, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

A very fast Skyler Greene is not really going to help, IMO.

I’ve seen Holliday muff punts regularly over the last three seasons. I agree that a fine returner is needed in this offseason.

I liked another KR from Miami, Sam Shields, who has blazing speed, too, but I haven’t seen him play as often as I’ve seen Holliday. Anyone know much about Shields?

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by 24Hz on Feb 24, 2010 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Does anyone know...

Generally, out of draftees that miss a big chunk of their rookie year (say, 6+ games) due to injury, how many actually come back to have productive NFL careers? That might give us some insight into the progression of Brewster, Williams, etc.

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by accidental innuendo on Feb 24, 2010 2:44 PM CST reply actions  

well, none of them were considered 1st round worthy

so he has a point – there were already more reasons to think Irvin and Jones would succeed.

I’m going to add Marc Colombo, injured his rookie year and frequently hurt his 1st 3 years – but he too was a 1st round pick

by AustonianAggie on Feb 24, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

well of course not, we didn't have a 1st rd pick

makes it kinda difficult to draft players with 1st rd grades when you don’t have a 1st rd pick, don’t you think?

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by Terry on Feb 25, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

it's just that all the guys we cited

as injured for 6 or more games their rookie years, who had good careers, were all 1st rounders. Off the top of my head I can’t think of a player (except Jimmy Smith) who had a good career after being significantly hurt as a rookie

by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

haha let me clear up my muddled sentence

Off the top of my head I can only think of one player who was not a 1st rounder, who was signifigantly hurt his rookie year, who had a good career

by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

True enough...

Although remember Irvin was actually talked about being traded before Norv Turner got there.

It’s kind of funny that Jimmy Johnson is looked at as sort of a god(which he is a GREAT football coach) but he was even prone to bad decisions.

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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 24, 2010 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Face it

We traded last year’s draft for Roy Williams. That was a terrible bust. We got a huge quantity of guys from the scrub rounds. That doesn’t mean they won’t be good one day. Tom Brady came from Round 6 of course. But the odds are 1/100 instead of 1/3 that these guys will be any good.

by JimmyJohnson on Feb 24, 2010 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

that kind of also depends on what your definition of "any good" is

Is a suitable backup for depth, any good, or do they have to be an established starter?

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 24, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

ultimately, a starter

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Feb 24, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Hamlin's highlight reel was impressive

Forget just backing up Sensi, this guy might challenge for a starting spot.

Drago says, "We must break you!"

by APerfectStar on Feb 24, 2010 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

I was under the impression Sensabaugh could play FS

If that’s the case, M. Hamlin could be just what the doctor ordered at Safety. I really hope the guy works out. I was kind of excited when we drafted him.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Feb 24, 2010 11:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Is Hamlin strictly a SS?

Can’t he push the other Hamlin out of the FS gig?

by Cowboysaficionado on Feb 24, 2010 10:05 PM CST reply actions  

safeties in todays NFL have to be interchangable

There isn’t really much of a distinction between FS and SS anymore

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 25, 2010 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Two things I got from this post:

Trade UP for a change this year, Jerry! With this mant guys basically already being rookies again this year, why not?
Or at least trade for future picks. But why trade down to bring in more bodies this year/

Manuel Johnson is impressive and fast- when the DB falls down. Woopie.

I’ll stick w/ Hurd, who’ll probably being taking time away from RW this year unless he pulls his head out.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Feb 24, 2010 11:55 PM CST reply actions  

Last years first rd was a joke

As pretty much everyone knew for quite a while. Possibly the weakest one in 10 years or more. That was one of the reasons Jerruh was willing to give up the First for Roy. And its not like we were talking a top 10 pick anyway. Last year was the perfect time to do what we did. THIS year there is real talent out there in the first two rounds.

by burmafrd1944 on Feb 25, 2010 7:50 AM CST reply actions  

When you think about what actually happened last year.

You see that Jerruh REALLY screwed up. With that wasted 20th pick the Cowboys could have taken a franchise LT for the next 10 years in Mr Blind Side.

by Cowboysaficionado on Feb 25, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I do have to agree

Pearcy Harvin was picked #22, Dallas traded the 20th pick. That would of upgraded our team speed a lot

by AustonianAggie on Feb 25, 2010 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Calvin Johnson got caught smoking the ganja

so I hope there is some leeway in that position.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 25, 2010 4:16 PM CST up reply actions  

No no no....

Calvin Johnson never got caught smoking pot, he just was truthful in an interview and said that he had done it before.

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 25, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

If the truth was known

I think about 90% of the college players coming out have smoked pot

by DIRE WOLF on Feb 25, 2010 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Let me fix that for you

I think about 9099.9% of the college players students coming out have smoked pot

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 25, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Tebow is that 00.1%.

BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 26, 2010 7:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably true

But, then again, there are some wild things to do in the Philippines. Ask any Airman who was stationed there in the 80’s.

by JimmyJohnson on Feb 26, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Like eating lumpia at a cockfight?

BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.

by Aaron Novinger on Feb 26, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

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