Cowboys Draft '10, Part Ten: Right Tackle May Be the Right Early Option
"Fine size. A big man who uses his size to muscle and engulf defenders. Shows decent feet for one so large and has limited area quickness. More quick than fast. Has improved tremendously the past two seasons. Very aggressive. Does not anyone push him around... Can't run a good 40. Poor stance. Lacks technique. Rarely bends his knees much. Isn't an explosive run blocker. Has not faced top competition. Did very little pass blocking in a run-oriented offense. Somewhat limited athletically..."
Would you spend a first-day pick on a lineman with this profile? (I'm sticking to the old nomenclature of referring to 1st through 3rd rounders as first-day picks, even though the new TV formats have messed this up. It makes more sense to me from a value perspective.)
The guy has his good qualities. He also seems to have some major qualifiers to his game. Is he worth a 2nd or a 3rd? Be decisive.
The Cowboys though he was worth it. They used a '91 third rounder on this kid from a small school in Ohio. The pick turned out well for them.
The kids name was Erik Williams. His '91 PFT Draft Preview review, which you just read, didn't measure up to his eventual game.
His profile offers some caveats to the draft-book method of analysis all of us have to use. We can watch some of these guys from time to time or even week-to-week if a prospect plays for a big school in our TV region. But we're mostly at the mercy of these thumbnail profiles. And believe me when I say that no position is missed on more often by the draft book folks than offensive line. (By missed, I mean their projections bear the least fidelity to actual draft day picks. Guys rated very high drop and guys rated low often are taken in early rounds.)
That's puzzling because I've seen lots of personnel people say that O-line is one of the easiest areas to scout. The high hit rate on OTs -- it's the highest of any offensive position -- bears this out. So why is it so difficult for the non-pros to get it right?
I don't know. I do think, reading the profiles, that getting a quality RT from this year's group will be an easier task, at least in the early rounds, than finding a left tackle. Dallas looks upon RT as more of a power position than LT. They want their prospects to have many of the same qualities as the tackle guarding the blind side. He has to be agile enough to cut off edge rushers, but the team is willing to sacrifice a little bit of speed for power. They expect their RTs to excel in the run game.
This means that when you look at prospects, read for those who get labeled as being "heavy handed" or having "good pop on the punchout." Line play is the land of the sumos these days. Since offensive linemen were allowed to extend their arms, guys with longer arms and strong punchouts have become highly valued, up and down the line. Winning man-to-man battles depends on a lineman's ability to get his hands into his opponents' chest before the other guy can do the same to him. What''s more, that punch has to have some heft to it. It has to generate movement. I remember Bill Parcells getting over one of his linemen one morning in Oxnard over an ineffective drive block. "Are you gonna put lip stick all over the guy?" he yelled.
You want pile drivers, not cosmetologists, on the right side.
So, who goes there? When you run through the prospects, you'll see a lot of guys who played left tackle in college but who lack the quickness to play "on the island." If they are smart, tough and can move the guy in front of them, they may still have value, but as 2nd or 3rd round prospects.
And that's no crime. The Cowboys could use their first on another player who can make the quick transition and use a 2nd or 3rd here, if the board broke their way. That was their plan in '04 with Jacob Rogers. Dallas took him in the late 2nd and projected Rogers to play immediately on the right side. His frequent injuries short-circuited that plan but this is precisely the type of prospect I think you should be looking for as you sift through the profiles.
Dallas doesn't have an immediate need on the right side. Marc Colombo should be healthy to start the season and Doug Free spelled him effectively. As I wrote yesterday, Robert Brewster got his initial reps as a pro at right tackle. However, if the team believes Free's future is on the left side, and that Brewster's immediate project is to challenge Kyle Kosier for the left guard spot, then Pat McQuistan is the next in line behind Colombo. He's been on the team for four years now and looks like a career backup, at least for this team.
So, who qualifies? I'd put the RT prospects in tiers. In the highest one, I'd put Oklahoma's Trent Williams. He had an awful '09, after being hyped by the Oklahoma coaches as a better prospect than Phil Loadholt, who played LT in '08, and dropped a bit because he struggled with top speed rushers like Brian Orakpo. Minnesota took Loadholt late in the 2nd round, moved him to the right side and got solid rookie play from him. Williams, who played much better as a RT in '08, probably will follow the same pro trajectory. I don't know if Dallas would use a late 1st on him, but he would definitely get consideration in the 2nd.
There's also a question of where he's rated. Some mockers put him in the top 20 and say he and Bruce Campbell will round out the top group of OTs. Others put him in the 2nd and even the 3rd round. Dallas? Who knows.
The next tier has a prospect like U. Mass' Vladimir Ducasse. He looks like a more polished Erik WIlliams type but still has a lot of rough edges to his game. He also is projected to the left side by some people. If he can play there, his stock will likely pull him into the early 2nd. I doubt Dallas would take him at 27 because he's far from a ready-made, but he would temp if he were on the board in the late 2nd.
Beyond that, poppers like Kyle Calloway and Mike Tepper look like middle round guys, based on their ability to get push at the point of attack.
That's just a short list to get you started. Add your upper and mid-level touts in the thread.
Tonight: OT bust factors; Tomorrow: Mock 2.0
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i really wished we knew more about Brewster.
He is the big unknown to me.
Outside of Stepnoski, was Tuinea the smallest guy on our line in the 90s. For some reason I think Free has the feet but not the ideal size for LT. I guess having Flo there and reading about the ideal LT, has changed my thinking into beliveing we need a mountain of a man there.
Tuney was a late round DE who moved to LT if memory serves me. Yet he did a great job. Are you sold on Free manning the LT.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Tuinei was 305
Free is 313 right now. It’s a matter of consistency on his feet. He’s not the power blocker Flozell is, but if he can keep Romo clean that’s a fair trade.
+1
We throw more than we run and that is the most important position to keeping our QB healthy
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 26, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
Willing to take a chance with THAT profile?
Heck, yeah!
I’m willing to take a chance on a profile that says “once played LT in Pee-Wee football”.
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Well if that's the case...
than Trent Williams will be a HUGE option.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 26, 2010 3:32 PM CST reply actions
Agreed.
If Free is backing up LT, Brewster is vying for LG, then as Raf said, a RT may indeed be the draft option. Is 27 too high for Williams? Cuz he’d most likely be gone in the 2nd.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 26, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not too sure
I think he may slip to us, but he will be in the first round
by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 26, 2010 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, saw that. WTF?
Just Tolbert and that FB over there? I don’t get it.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 26, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
SD would have to pay him like $7M
He may sign for less with SD, but any team can make an offer and cause SD problems. Offer him $5M Jerry and trade Choice. Great return man and very good RB.
I would not touch Williams with a ten foot pole
If we are going to draft a RT Iike John Jerry from Ole Miss. He has the size strength and experience to play RT. He was a 3 year starter at Ole Miss and I really think he is a true mauler. He should be available at 59 for sure and possibly in the 3rd.
Wow you are just ate up with clever.
Might have been a little funny if the LT was any where in the post.
John Jerry could be gone in the late 1st
he was a dominator at the Senior Bowl.
A
flip flopper like John Jerry should be able to play either side.
by Satch30 on Feb 26, 2010 8:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
I wonder if he has patrician hair also!
That would be a bit surprising
I was thinking late second early third
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Me too
If he goes in the 1st, that means about 6 or 7 other OL would have already come off the board.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions
That would be a bit surprising
I was thinking late second early third
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Don't you think
that Brewster will be moved inside? I am hoping he can compete for the LG position soon. This is who I want Dallas to draft in round 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyafsfciih8&feature=related
Even if he is there I would be shocked if we drafted him
He is really only big enough to play WILB and we drafted Jason Williams for that spot last year. I do really live the guy though. Great attitude and is a fiery leader.
Nothing against the guy
But another 1st rd LB would be overkill at the position.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2010 12:23 AM CST up reply actions
Ducasse
At 6-4, is he tall enough at 6-4 to play OT? I think he has long arms though, which is just as important. A lot of people are projecting him to move inside to Guard.
I’d like the Cowboys to pick up a starter on the OL with one of their 1st two picks. They’ll have a lot of options.. whether it’s a top interior lineman in the 1st rd or a RT in the 2nd.. I just want them to land a future starter.
If the Cowboys are able to grab a good offensive lineman in one of the 1st two rounds, I wonder if they will consider Kansas WR Dezmon Briscoe, who is a native of Dallas. I don’t know much about Briscoe since I live on the east coast.. but at 6-2 207lbs he seems like he fits the profile that the Cowboys like in a WR. Any of you guys from Texas follow this kid from highschool? Maybe shed some insight? The highlights of him show someone who can beat press coverage, catches with his hands, has a quick 1st move/step for someone his size and a physical player who’s hard to bring down after the catch. He reminds me a little bit of Plaxico Burress, although these highlight videos make it seem like he’s comfortable running more than just the two routes Plaxico ran.
Roger Saffold would make a either a great guard or RT
and he has great feet and has some size (316 lbs)
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I don't think Saffold fits this team's profile
Read this section from NFP:
“He does a nice job using his long arms and length to get into pass rushers off the edge, but he isn’t heavy-handed. He struggles to stay on blocks in all areas of the game and is too easily disengaged from in the pass game (Michigan DE Brandon Graham had his way with Saffold, shedding blocks all game). He isn’t instinctive and will miss blocks and assignments in the pass game, a bad trait as the guy protecting the QB’s blind side.”
I’ll pass.
and a lot of NFL DEs are going to be better than him.
doesn’t look like a good fit at RT and even less of one at LT.
I think there are better pure G prospects you can get lower.
Scott Wright
NFL Draft Countdown choose Saffold for us in the 2nd.
If we have a choice at second, I also prefer John Jerry.
But I am re thinking all my draft strategies after recent reading of the suuden inflation of OT.
Is it really possible the top 4 OTs could go in the top ten?
Painful it is when everyone wants what you want.
This will trend to more G and C going in the late first / early second.
So past year’s 2nd rounders would be high first now, and 3rd rounders second and so on.
I think it's likely 5 of the top 15 picks will be OL
But, there will be some good prospects available from 2nd thru 3rd rds. Maybe 4th rd.
Kyle Calloway and Tony Washington look like good prospects.
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by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2010 12:30 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't Washington have a really bad year?
maybe he is more of a RT than LT. He did have an impressive bench of 33 for someone with 35 1/2 inch arms.
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anyone see that article
About roy on rotoworld?
It says that wade says they will play the best player no matter what next year(as we would like to hear). It incinuates that ogletree could push for a starting job, and crayton is a very good slot receiver. It goes on to say we could be paying 13 million for a 4th receiver.
by TONYINCC on Feb 26, 2010 8:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
they always say that is their philosophy
but never do it in practice. Wade is just being PC.
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yeah i know
But we hope it comes true. If roy shows improvement, then by all means. If he looks like he hit his ceiling, then see if we can get anything in a trade. Maybe just moving up from out second pick to a higher second would be nice.
by TONYINCC on Feb 26, 2010 9:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
just saying trade up,
Not an actual pick, and yeah a third would be phenomonal at this point. I meant trade out 54th(?) And roy for say the 36th pick.
by TONYINCC on Feb 26, 2010 9:10 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So I'm reading alot on Golden Tate....
and unless he just rips up the combine, he’s looking like he’s definitly a mid second rounder.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 26, 2010 10:51 PM CST reply actions
Ha! Erik Williams: " Very aggressive" ! I laughed when I read that.
That’s an understatement.
Man, I loved watching that guy hand it to Reggie White every year.
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I loved the big E draft preview
Before his accident, he was on his way to being the best ever.
Loved Erik W.
Didn’t White pull himself out of a game once because of him? It was a Philly player for sure ….
Definitely Not White
I think it was William Fuller in the first Eagles game in the 1994 season. I remember he also played for the Oilers and originally thought it was Sean Jones, but Jones never played for the Eagles.
Williams might have been the best offensive lineman in the league when he had his accident.
Remember the great games that Bruce Smith had against the Cowboys in the Super Bowls?
Me neither. EW was on his way to a HOF career when he crashed his car.
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oh crap, well EW was still on his way to a HOF career
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