Cowboys Draft '10, Mock 2.0
by Rafael Vela on Feb 26, 2010 10:27 PM CST
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Round 1: Earl Thomas, FS, Texas
Last year, the Cowboys had Central Michigan's Louis Delmas high atop their wish list. Delmas listed at 5'11", 198 lbs., before weighing in for Combine observers at 203 lbs. He displayed a fearlessness attacking the line of scrimmage at the Senior Bowl and roared from a 2nd-3rd round prospect to the 33rd overall pick.
Thomas has almost identical dimensions. He's 5'11", 199 lbs. There are some concerns about his ability to attack the LOS but his deep skills are unquestioned. Thomas can track receivers and gets his hands on the football. He's rated very high on some semi-pro boards, but I think another rush on offensive tackles, a very deep crop of underclassmen, which makes for a very deep first round, will drop him a bit. Safety tends to fall a tad as a position. I can't see the Cowboys finding one of the OTs at 27, or even top G Mike Iupati, but their rise means other good players must fall. A player like Earl Thomas would be welcome.
On to the 2nd-round...
Round 2: J.D. Walton, C, Baylor
Smart, tough, and interviewing tremendously at Indy, according to this report. Like Markice Pouncey, he's another top C prospect who could replace Cory Proctor almost immediately.
Round 3: Cam Thomas, NT, North Carolina
Every quality pro NT free agent prospect has been locked up. Thomas has the size and agility to play on the nose in Wade Phillips' scheme, where lateral mobility and the willingness to chase are as vital as the ability to stack plays run right at you.
Round 4: Sergio Render, G, Virginia Tech,
Thick, girthy guard, 6'3", 318 lbs, who run blocks effectively and has the mobility to block in space.
Round 6: Stephan Virgil, CB, Virginia Tech
CB prospect with the speed and fluidity to play man-to-man.
Round 7: David Gettis, WR, Baylor
A big target with lots of tools, Gettis is a bit of an enigma. He has boom or bust potential, but everybody at this stage of the draft carries the same tag. He'll need to show better hands and consistency to stick, but he has the size and deep speed to excel if he gets focused.
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The draft this year is going to surprise some people.
With so many good players coming out alot of projected 1st rounders will fall into the 2nd. There are only 32 spots and it seems to me that more than 32 players are 1st round talent. Some teams will reach for need and push more 1st into 2nd IMO. Teams that draft well can really help themselfs. Don’t get to tricky Jerry, Dallas needs to take advantage of this draft.
We had a safety that couldn't cover.....
Why Roy Williams went South no one really knows.He was a hitting machine in his early days but in his last two with the Boys he looked like a touch footballer.
With these passing attacks in the East we must have a Safety who can cover.It’s not an option.
Earl Thomas has great measureables and he is a good kid too.
by TCB Orange Dino on Feb 26, 2010 10:54 PM CST reply actions
Two picks from Baylor?
Good school, should be smart guys, close to home for Dallas.
Much like the Longhorns, I always wondered why we did not pick more Texas kids in the past.
we have some now, Bigg, Roy, Marty.
I like the inside emphasis, I believe we have good skill guys, need more of your brontosauraus eaters!
Thank god the UT deficiency has been remedied at least in part with the Great Roy Williams!
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
In the '60s, Bud Adams had a policy for the Oilers of picking the best Texans
figured it would be good marketing.
Tex Schmamm had a policy of picking the best players.
Which plan worked better?
Its funny that both methods gave the teams
Earl Campell and Bob Lily
by AustonianAggie on Feb 28, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
2nd mock in a row
You take a center, I like very much!
by TONYINCC on Feb 26, 2010 11:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Love the Center
Great that you’re giving my Bears some love as well.
But you promise beef. Where’s the Beef (aka OT)?
Also, not a single small-school guy? Have you been introduced to our GM?
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Love The Picks But
Dallas’s weakest position on the team is at the offensive tackle spots. Flo, Colombo and Free are combined below par for pass blocking. There is little confidence in the players behind them. I don’t know how long Dallas can continue to ignore this reality.
Actually Free is very good against the pass
Flozell is getting old and Columbo was hurt and should not have been on the field. Still I completely dislike this draft. Earl Thomas is to small to be a good FS in the NFL. I do not care if Mayock likes him or not. I am shocked you only drafted players from the little 12 and the All Childrens Conference.
the little 12 as you but it is just a tad behind the SEC which i am sure you are a fan of
and texas almost beat bama with its backup. so take it easy on the Big 12
Dont listen to me, despite being a Texan, Im an SEC guy. With all of these Big 12 guys
I have to take my shots.LOL!
KICK ASS every day!!!
Earl Thomas
Might be a liability against the run. And I’m not sure he’d make it past the Eagles at pick 24.
I think too many teams need a safety
and there aren’t any after Berry except Mays and Thomas. I don’t think he slips past the likes of Seattle, Houston, or Atlanta. But if he does hell yes I would take him.
Raf's right
Safeties drop like a rock.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Even if he is available
I’m not sure I’d like him as the last line of defense against the run. I can easily see Thomas getting swallowed up in traffic or missing tackles that lead to big runs. I don’t think he’s physical enough. I think I’d prefer Nate Allen in the 2nd.
?
If Thomas is gone, I’d give Allen and Burnett serious consideration at 27.
They’re the end of the top-line coverage safeties. I doubt either one is there at 59.
I wouldn't mind either of those guys
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by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2010 3:50 AM CST up reply actions
A good option
If that’s what they want to focus on, then they should not feel gun-shy at 27. Neither will last by the first ten picks of the 2nd.
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by accidental innuendo on Feb 27, 2010 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
i got a strong feeling we trade down if one of the names we have been talking about does not fall
that does not include tate IMO BTW
Like it's been discussed
Who wants to move up when the draft is so deep? Teams that have multiple second rounders are probably going to be happy sitting and letting the talent fall to them.
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by accidental innuendo on Feb 27, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
i think people trade up past MInn for colt mccoy
there are also prospects along the DL, LB, CB, and others that could be worth a trade up. remember we are not as desperate as other teams due to the decent job our GM does of spending money
the texans
need a CB now that they’ve decided to let Dunta Robinson walk..and they’re looking at DL or OL pssibilites…so there’s one team out of the way..
"Let me tell you sumthin' son ! an ass whippin' hurts no matter what kinda shape your in ! " Stone Cold Steve Austin
No hey have not let him walk
They just did not franchise him. Big difference. Just like we did with Miles. Like the Chargeers did with Sproles
Yes, all indications are that the Texans will let Robinson walk.
They franchised him last year, and teams/players generally do not use those tags two years in a row. Like Sproles, it shows that the two sides cannot come to an agreement, which means the teams will let the players test free agency.
Miles’ situation is much different. The Cowboys have said that he will be with the team no matter what.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 27, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but they have to do it by next week...March 4 or he goes unrestricted at 12:01AM March 5th
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 27, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
Won't they still have to pay him an increase?
I thought that the “salary” escalator still applied, meaning that he’d still have something like a $7.5 Million tender (rather than the $3.1 highest RFA).
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
yeah you would think there would be something in the cba...
to prevent a player from taking such a drastic pay cut. seems very unfair
Oh, I haven't heardd about that.
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 27, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
The Cowboys would have to take Cam Thomas in the 2nd
3 NT’s franchised this yr. Unless you like Cody better, Thomas is probably the top NT prospect in the draft.
Drago says, "We must break you!"
Dan Williams is the top NT prospect
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 27, 2010 3:11 AM CST up reply actions
You're right
Forgot about him
Drago says, "We must break you!"
by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2010 3:24 AM CST up reply actions
Cody damn near has a bust.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 27, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
No I didn't
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by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
as a baylor alum i am not so sure we should draft two bears
then agaim i did not see even one half of one of their games this year. either way, sic’em
Love the Thomas pick
A safety would probably represent much better value at that point in the draft than an OT would. There will be plenty other OL prospects to choose from in the late 2nd.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of taking a safety early
We obviously need help on the O line, but we shouldn’t reach for a guy in the first. It looks like most of the 1st round candidates at either OT or G will be gone by the time we pick. If a player like Thomas fell to us at 27, it’d be foolish not to take him.
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Trade Up???
Although Jerry has a tendancy to trade down I think if Thomas does start to drop say to 18 or 19 maybe then we explore a trade up to get him as opposed to waitin to see if he falls to us at 27.
by Bermystar on Feb 27, 2010 6:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Bermystar,
it all depends on their board. How much higher do they rate Thomas than Allen or Burnett? If their grades are similar, there’s no point trading up. This is a deep draft. Dallas is already one pick short because of the Holland deal. You don’t want to lessen their choices further.
Yeah Tru
Rafael, that’s an excellent point. I have been paying close attention to the college safties this year (in anticipation of landing one in Dallas). I agree that Berry and Thomas are great talents but hype, circumstance and national coverage go a long way. Last year wheb Mays was all the hype I never liked him and now, lo and behold he’s been exposed. In my estimation Nate Allen is the safest bet as far as talent and where he’d land in the draft. It makes more sense to draft a FS with his skill set where we are @ 27 or somehow in the early to mid second then to give up picks (plus pay a higher salary) to either Berry or Thomas. Good point Rafael
by Bermystar on Feb 27, 2010 1:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Walton dominated the bench with 34
It seems a lot of lineman are putting up good benches this year for some reason.
Actually they are. Looking at the combine results from last year’s OL, These guys are dominating the bench. It is a strong crop of OL this year.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2009combine/2009-offensive-linemen-nfl-combine-results.html
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Terrence Cody came in at 354
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/ScoutingCombine/positions/DT.php
Good for him. But can he keep it off?
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I wouldn't bet on it.
Tank Johnson lost his spot on this team because he could not pursue, and came off as a lazy player. In his better games, he would get off blocks, chase plays down the LOS and make tackles.
Siavii surprised because he did this fairly effectively.
Cody is a rock on everything run right at him, but I don’t see him chasing plays. Ratliff has made 91 tackles the last three years because he chases everything.
I just don’t see Cody doing this. If he fell into the 2nd, maybe I could see it, but I don’t see him as a 1st round option.
Then you need to look harder
Cody move side to side pretty well for a 350lber. I do not think you will ever see the 370lbs again for a while. Saban jumped his but for that and I really think Cody realizes what he has to lose.
LOL
Why, are you Cody’s agent?
Jay Ratliff is the best in the business, and he’s 305. People keep overlooking that and telling themselves Ratliff can’t be playing well because he’s not 370.
I DON’T WANT a 370 lb. NT. Can Cody rush? Can he get 8 sacks a year like Ratliff?
Not A Chance.
Dallas is looking for a backup here. Somebody who can give them 25 quality snaps a game.
Cody, BTW, couldn’t play 50% of Alabama’s snaps this year. I’m not flipping a 1st on a guy like that.
I watch plenty.
It’s not just me and Raf either, all Cody does is stuff the run. He wouldn’t be the primary NT on this team.
He doesn’t penetrate the backfield.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 27, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
A guy that moves well side to side has more than 19 solo tackles in a career.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 27, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Horribly overrated
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by APerfectStar on Feb 27, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
A 2nd Rounder to Replace a Back-up Center??
I don’t see the urgency to back up Gurode as I do to back up Flo, Colombo and Kosier. That being said, we’re an injury away from our worst lineman starting at center. Proctor’s just terrible.
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@Lord Humungus
1. Dallas was ready to snatch up Max Unger last year in the 2nd,
because he could play C and challenge at G.
2. ANY player you take at that spot is likely to be a backup this year, even if he’s ready to play.
3. Gurode has missed games in ’07 and ’09. How did the offense look when Proctor replaced him?
4. that C prospect also plays G. You ready to declare Brewster a success, and/or go into another year with Proctors as you only viable C/G backup? He’s started 19 games the last three years.
In other words, YES to your question.
If he can play guard, I’m good with him, I just don’t know the guy. I just think Gurode is the smallest question mark on the O-line next to Bigg, and was thinking Shane Hannah when you said we were drafting for a backup.
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by Lord Humungus on Feb 27, 2010 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
I want Gurode's replacement
Yeah, yeah, yeah…Pro Bowls…thbbbbt…aaack!
Gurode is a terrible line general (needs help from Kosier), is beaten often in Pass protection. Why do you think the A-gap blitz is so effective against us?
I’m on record thinking that at least 3 of our OL could use replacing. Sooner, rather than later.
I also realize that OL take 3-4 years on average to become starters. We need talent now, so that in a year (or two) we’ll have some candidates.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Center absoluely needs to be filled this season!
We cannot roll the dice with Proctor/Presston again next season. One interior injury away from prematurely next season. A Center must be found somewhere in the first three rounds.
A decent C/G option would be ideal
Who knows, Pouncey might still be a worthwhile pick.
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by accidental innuendo on Feb 27, 2010 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
phone home?
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by Aaron Novinger on Feb 27, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Lord Free changes everything
Agree with you Raf; one of the least talked about developments of last year was the emergence of Doug Free and I believe the C/G position has a higher urgency now – AND it appears as though the value won’t be there at #27 for OTs anyway. If we do get a ball-hawking safety as you suggest, how do you see Hamlin/Sensanbaugh dynamic playing out?
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
I would love to come out of this draft with a C/G and an OT prospect, even a pure RT
Look at the value. You need to get your center high. Last year there were four top guys in Mack, Wood and Unger. The first two went between 20 and 30 and Unger was snagged one spot ahead of Dallas at 50. I understand the Seahawks, who traded up to get him, almost took Unger at 38 before making a trade down.
There are three top Cs this year. Similar pattern. They’ll all likely be gone by the end of the 2nd.
I just don’t see OT lining up in rounds 1 and 2. I doubt Campbell falls to 27 and its too high to take Ducasse in the 1st when you could get a readymade FS there. OTOH, Ducasse probably won’t last until pick 45.
So you look elsewhere.
Sports crying
I will sports cry if Dallas were to land Earl Thomas in the first. Having attended the same prestigious University as him, I’ve watched him a lot. Good player and good kid.
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I'm really starting to feel like the Cowboys will have to move up for Thomas if he starts to slip
There are too many teams picking above us that could use a safety of his caliber. In our division alone, the Giants and Iggles are hurting for good safety play.
Love the Baylor picks. Sic ’em Bears.
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by accidental innuendo on Feb 27, 2010 9:07 AM CST reply actions
two first round safetys for the giants in the last few years, i have my doubts
but yeah i could see the iggles do that. they prolly wont trade to us again so we can pick him. that would taste too much of spencer
Hehe
The Iggles, in their pride, would probably say that they didn’t come out too shabby. Not untrue, but if Spencer continues to develop, I’d say we’ve come out ahead so far.
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by accidental innuendo on Feb 27, 2010 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
i think the pick traded got them
bradley, klob, and a CB now off the team. lets hope it continues to be worth it.
Maybe they can trade down the pick to secure a coverage safety
Both Allen & Burnett are projected to go somewhere in the middle of the second round and may be graded as second round prospects by the team. You need to find a willing trading partner, who is slated to pick in the top 15 of round #2.
I guess that's what I'm saying
It’s going to be tough to find someone to move up into the bottom of the first when they can still find good draft picks in the second.
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by accidental innuendo on Feb 27, 2010 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Pouncey & either Allen/Burnett would be ideal
In my opinion, C/G & FS are the two most immediate needs, especially with Doug Free’s emergence at Tackle last season. If the team can fill these two needs right away, in my opinion, it would be a successful draft, no matter what other picks the team makes. If it means trading up picks to make it happen, even with no fifth rounder, so be it! With not many roster spots available and a big 2009 draft class, draft quality over quantity!
Would love to get ET
but I think we would have to trade up to around the 20th pick to get him. I liked the Mock 2.0 draft, but how about the Cowboys go with C/G Maurkice Pouncey in the1st and possibly trade up for FS Allen or Burnett in the second? The Cowboys don’t have many needs and coupled with the fact that almost the entire ’09 draft is coming back why not trade and get immediate contributors who would push Hamlin/Kosier?
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I Guess It Depends
On how things play out. If Thomas is gone, we can take Pouncey. If Thomas is there but the board has them thinking Walton will still be available, then take Thomas. Heck, if Bruce Campbell falls to 27, take him, although he’ll probably be gone by then.
The teams that draft well have done their homework and play the unfolding of the draft to their advantage. They’ve already thought through contingency plans based on probable scenarios, and know when to move up to grab value and when to bail. As deep as this draft seems to be, there would probably not be a need to move up, because in all likelihood plenty of value will fall to them. There are always teams that reach for a player, and when it happens, we should be able to snatch up something good—unless someone walks up with a sweet deal like the Browns did three years ago.
Mister, I've doing about 7-8 more of these
I’m gonna run through several different permutations, to cover as many possible scenarios as possible.
No point putting the same six names out every week.
Nice mock Raf, who's going to replace Roy Williams?
I know, I know. Roy is going to be here next year but come on, the guy can’t run many routes and drops balls. We need an upgrade like last year let alone next. Hurd isn’t a 1st or 2nd outside WR. Ogletree might be able to pull it off but is that enough? Roy is done IMO. He’ll play but not for long.
What do you think?
by torchindefenses on Feb 27, 2010 1:31 PM CST reply actions
I think Jerry gets a FA WR
If not this year, then next.
Given his statements before this past year (“I’m worried about OL depth”), this will be the year of “Operation Overload” – OL version.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
yes we are all overlooking free agency
hopefully we get 1 or 2 really good players there and a few decent backups which will allow us to go more BPA style in the draft
What really good players are you talking about?
Decent backups are probably the best scenario this year.
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by accidental innuendo on Feb 27, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
WR may be the ONLY free agent value out there
Because of the CBA rules, most positions were depleted of quality.
However, names like Boldin, T.O., Antonio Bryant, Brandon Marshall (RFA), Braylon Edwards, and Mark Clayton (RFA) are all available or are being shopped.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
a decent backup is exactly what we need at center, guard, CB
look at this team, there is not much room for a star to come in and start. we could get a nice FB to replace Deion, a backup at CB, that will go a long way to making this a complete team
Whoa there
He’s been the pits, but he’s not done yet. I think he gets this upcoming season to prove himself.
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by accidental innuendo on Feb 27, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree with that
Our OL is old and not able to hold up a entire season. They always get creamed by the end of the season or playoffs. The Vikings whipped their butts, that was a hard one to watch. I’m screaming for new OL too, actually I have been for the last 4 years!!
That being said, Dallas doesn’t have a threat at WR other than Austin. Ogletree could maybe come up but that is betting on a lot. If they are going to make a run next year, I think they need some WR talent not named Roy Williams.
In fact, let’s not have anymore Roy Williams on the team, period.
by torchindefenses on Feb 27, 2010 1:45 PM CST reply actions
I'll tell you what Raf
if Thomas is available at 27 and we take him, I’m going to be doing cartwheels down my street for sure.
I can’t imagine an elite playmaker like him will be available at 27, I see him as a top 20 pick easily
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I know Mayock...
has a crush on him.
I find that I’m really hard on players from Texas that come out, I’m not a hater, but I’m the anti-homer.
That being said, he is definitly pick 27 value.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 27, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Mayock is currently the premier draft analyst around
If he says the guy is the real deal, he is.
In Romo we Trust
Ok...
That comment was needed how?
I know what Mayock is, and the fact that he is so high on Thomas makes me feel good about him too.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 28, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
I hope a first round worthy OL drops to us
FS is a need but not of the magnitude OL is.
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Render Would Be Awesom
As a Hokie alumn, I would LOVE for the Boys to take Render. He played on a depleted 2009 Hokie OL, and still the Hokies ran for tons of yards. Ryan Williams – a freshman- ran for a school record 1655 yards and that was with opposing defenses consistently stacking the line as the Hokie passing attack was more anemic than Finland’s defense last night vs. Team USA. Render was the leader of that line. He will be a very good NFL offensive lineman. Maybe not great, but he will one of the road-graders this team would love to have (and definitely needs).
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