Does Jerry's Comment Hint at Extensive Cowboys Free Agent Activity?
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2010 9:52 PM CST
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Jerry Jones' remarks today that he expects "ten to eleven new Cowboys" on this year's roster intrigues, given that Dallas only has six picks in April's draft. Dallas has been good at producing undrafted free agents in recent years. Tony Romo and Miles Austin headline a group that added Kevin Ogletree last year.
Even the most optimistic draft outcome would see seven or maybe eight rookies. Where would the other three to four new players come from?
Free agency offers a possibility, though the Final Eight restrictions mean Dallas won't be able to sign many big ticket players. The expanded free agent rules mean the talent pool will be relatively shallow, unless...
teams cut a lot of veterans with long-term deals their teams no longer feel are good investments. We won't know the full number of such bad-contract cuts until the free agency period begins next week.
Don't discount trades. With the playoff field limited to some extent, and teams less willing to swap draft picks, given the depth of this year's class, we may see something football has never had, relative to sports like baseball or basketball -- a good old fashioned hot-stove league, or in the NFL's case, a sun-deck league. Stay tuned.
Jerry, as much as he might want to, can't turn six picks into eleven players.
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Niiiiiiice.....
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 28, 2010 9:59 PM CST reply actions
Maybe
But you have to include the 4 draft picks from last year that were on IR, Manny Johnson & maybe 1 or 2 others from the Practice Squad.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
And yes, GM Jerry can make 6 into 10 or 11
Trade down, trade down…trade a little more…
Not saying he should, but it’s not out of the realm of his reality.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Or UDFAs
Seriously every year we pick up 3-5 UDFAs after the draft. Sorry guys Dallas will not be swimming in the shallow FA pool.
No kidding
How many of them stick on the final roster?
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2010 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
Jerry is making a trade or two count on it....
I would expect him to sign a few quality FA’s also…..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Wide Receiver
Does a humbled TO come back and play the slot receiver in 2010? Talk about it amongst yourselves. Think about it. I’m becoming verklempt.
No.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 28, 2010 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Ha
Stephen Jones would park his Escalade, or whatever he drives, on the Dallas airport runway to stop T.O.’s flight from landing.
Would make great cable news, but it’s not gonna happen.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2010 10:45 PM CST up reply actions
i was just imitating the TO reference above
i have no idea if that dude is worth it, nor do i support accquiering him
Agreed Rafael,
I read it like you did. He’s talking much more than Draft picks or injured/practice squad guys here. They’re looking hard for suitable FA’s to bring in and with the current restrictions trades could be real possibilities.
It’s going to be an exciting next few weeks I think.
On veteran FAs
they’re going to be older players, by and large. The guys who got big deals around age 30 and now their teams are looking to dump them without the accelerated cap hits.
It’s why you’re hearing Flozell’s name mentioned as a possible cut. He signed a six year deal two seasons ago. No way he’s gonna play that one out.
I would be sad to see him go, but if they do cut him, the Cowboys are using that adage, better to cut one year too early than one too late.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2010 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly didn't think there would be any chance they'd cut Flow this offseason...
but now I’m not so sure.
It would be a pretty extreme cap hit though wouldn’t it? Or does that all transfer over to next year in the likely uncapped year? If that is the case, Flow’s solid career as a Cowboy may have just ended.
No cap THIS year
Next year is no Football.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Ha, yeah that's right.
I forgot (very busy with other things lately)!
If they get a deal worked out before 2011 and set a new cap, I wonder if they will allow all the old cap penalties (from this offseasons purging) to lapse because of the new parameters.
I can’t see team owners/managers (or player unions) wanting to start the new deal with a mountain of dead cap space.
True-But Mr. Jones still has to eat the cash
of whatever he’s owed, so he’s got to factor that in still, or so his wallet will say.
I hope they keep Flo around, he’s still better than most, until a solid replacement is in place.
No, I don’t consider Free a solid replacement!
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by Realist Larry on Mar 1, 2010 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
True-But Mr. Jones still has to eat the cash
of whatever he’s owed, so he’s got to factor that in still, or so his wallet will say.
I hope they keep Flo around, he’s still better than most, until a solid replacement is in place.
No, I don’t consider Free a solid replacement!
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by Realist Larry on Mar 1, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
The final 8 rule is a little overblown
The ’Boys can sign 1 FA to an unlimited contract.
But they can sign as many as they want for $3.7 Million or less. That’s still quite a bit available for mid-level FAs.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
It probably is
but look at the team’s needs.
Nobody is going to let a quality OL under 30 walk. The market could be full of Flozell types, but it’s buyer beware there.
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
LT will be a problem
Always has been. They simply don’t get on the market until they’re too old or too injured. Even then, they get big bucks.
Only way to get a LT is to draft one. It’s why they’re so rare. An aside though. You mentioned that rising LTs in the draft is a relatively new phenomena. Could you expound? My recall is that it’s always been that way.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
well in some positions like CB all we need is a quality backup
If Barber or Bennet gets traded the same goes for RB and TE
If a Bowen or Hatcher gets signed away at DE the same is true there
NT, OLB, G and RT might be a posibilities as well
This.
And that $3.7 million or less isn’t too bad when you break it down further. They can sign as many as they want for $3.7 million or less in the first year of the contract, and to keep teams from just backloading contracts they’ve said that players can’t get more than a 30% raise each following year. To get a good idea of what that will get you, check this out. That’s pretty much the spitting image of the max you can get with the $3.7 million limit.
There will not be many limits to what they can do in FA this year, if that’s what they choose to do. I don’t expect them to go sign a Julius Peppers and give out 10 Chris Canty contracts to random veterans because of the future ramifications of all that, but I don’t expect them to sit on their hands either. There will be players cut, traded, and signed. Count on it.
Ready for some baseball.
there not cutting Flo....that would be such stupid move...
Real smart cutting a capable LT not knowing if we have his replacement on the roster… Free hasnt shown he can play LT. Flo isnt going anywhere…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Free...
played pretty well at LT against Minnesota, but I agree I think it would be taking a monumental risk.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 1, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Well....
most LT’s have help against Jared Allen
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 1, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
good point
but it seemed to my untrained eye they had someone chipping him most every play, and that left Colombo on an island on the right side (we all saw what happened there)
What game were you watching?
When Flozell was in the game, Jared Allen was nowhere to be found. As soon as Free replaced him, Jared Allen had a field day.
Ready for some baseball.
No he didn't.
The one big play he had was against Jason Witten, by Witten’s self.
Ray Edwards and the Williams were doing the damage.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 1, 2010 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe, but the reason those guys (Edwards especially)
were running around in the backfield like they were on the Cowboys is because like somebody above said, when Flozell left the game and Free came in, he needed all kinds of help to keep Allen at bay, which in turn freed up those other guys. Jared Allen might not have had a field day, but it was because of him that those other guys were making all kinds of plays. And again, when Flozell was in the game it looked a lot better. As soon as Free came in at LT the flood gates opened. Not saying I hate Free or anything, he did great as the RT, I just think it’s a little premature to anoint him the LT of the future.
Ready for some baseball.
2 sacks against Columbo came before Flo left. Edwards dominated.
If you think Free was the problem you need to rewatch the game. Edwards (if my memory serves me) killed two of our early drives with a sack and a TFL.
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Maybe I'm wrong.
They were good either way, and the Cowboys weren’t going to win that game. But from what I watched and remember of the game it didn’t really start getting out of hand until Flozell went down.
Ready for some baseball.
I was focusing on Free
Allen had some push but Free stayed in front of him for most of the game.
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Some of us on here(probably just me) think if Flo doesnt get hurt
Free and come in for Columbo. Free is quicker and would have skills more suited for the speed rushing of Edwards than Columbo.
The house was starting to come down and when Flo left it collapsed.
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Yeah, I would make that argument too.
That Columbo never should have been in the game and that Free should have started at RT. Of course, that goes out the window because Flozell got hurt, which is why I don’t think it matters and we were going to lose either way.
Ready for some baseball.
Maybe Colombo
and you could move Flo to the RT. At least he would be able to hear the snap count better on the right side.
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Wide Receiver
We’re all big boys here. How do do you cover Miles, Witten, TO, and a fired up Williams, plus the threat of the Jones, Barber or Choice hand off?
No
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 28, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Fired up Williams?
Is that when he does not smile after dropping yet another pass or running yet another wrong route?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
+1
Williams is a bust. All-pro talent but no drive to truly be great.
TO would be a nightmare here. He’s a cancer, and would NEVER be satisfied as a slot receiver.
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by Lord Humungus on Mar 1, 2010 10:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No response except to hope this is a joke
So,
lol!
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by Realist Larry on Mar 1, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
we had those very same weapons back in '08, and we didn't even make the playoffs that year..
no thanks.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
Wide Receiver
It’s all about everyone growing up and winning a championship.
Good point
But Roy Williams is overpaid and overrated. I say one of the new players next year is his replacement.
Wide Receiver
Please give Roy one more chance, even if it’s just a couple of preseason games.
What players would we be willing to trade?
I can’t think of many players on our roster that the Cowboys would be willing to part with AND have some trade value. Tashard Choice and Martellus Bennett are the only two that I can think of.
Hatcher's not bad
http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=DE4&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1
And he’s probably the most athletic of our DEs.
Hatcher is kind of a tease
The guy looks like he should be getting to the QB.
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 1, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
williams, barber, hamlin
Flo, gurode, kosier,
The last 2 are not likely, but if they do indeed have contigency plans through the draft or through fa cuts, maybe they try to get value out of those guys.
by TONYINCC on Feb 28, 2010 11:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kosier I could see.
Gurode not so much. I don’t think anybody would give up anything worth trading any of those guys for though. Especially when you consider their contracts. Williams, Barber, Hamlin, Flozell, Kosier, they’re all pretty bad. Maybe if the Cowboys did it MLB style and ate some money they might be able to increase the value of what they could get back, but other than that probably not.
Ready for some baseball.
contracts
I don’t think its that big of an issue, because all of their guaranteed money is accelerated into our cap this year, and be comes irrelevant. The new team would take on basically the base remqaining salaries.
Gurode, would be someone that you get rid of before the wheels fall off, he is suspect in pass protection, and has too many mental errors. Making 3 pro bowls in a row may make his value about as high as we can expect.
by TONYINCC on Feb 28, 2010 11:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
and who's gonna replace him?
You know any better Cs who are guaranteed to be on the FA market next week?
Or can you guarantee that Dallas gets Pouncey, and he’s better right out of the box?
by Rafael Vela on Feb 28, 2010 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
they would have to rely
On a rookie and pretty much make sure they draft the best c/g available. I was just pointing out that he might not be off limits. I would rather him still be on the roster at least one more year, so that pouncey, or whatever center prospect they draft can have a year to learn.
by TONYINCC on Feb 28, 2010 11:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Kosier is not the weak link
I’ve never been a Kosier fan. I was probably the main anti-Kosier guy when we dumped LA for him while LA still had tread on the tires. But, he is not the weak link of the O-Line. He is probably our most consistent Guard.
Despite his probowl status, Bigg Davis is a problem, IMO. He has no mobility and either knocks his guy 10 yards downfield or misses completely. His dramatic blocks are great for highlight reels. But you need somebody who consistently blocks his man or picks off the blitzing LB at the Guard position. And Davis does a very poor job of that.
Kosier
isn’t that good.
Consistent does always correlate to good.
He’s consistently decent but gets destroyed by bigger defensive lineman.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 1, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
I don't disagree
I just think both of our guards could use an upgrade and I think Bigg is actually the worse of the two.
Bigg is hard to figure
He seems better at pulling than drive blocking.
I still think that at 370 he should always get us a yard in short yardage with a splash move, but it doesn’t work.
The problem with our o line is that every guy seems a little inconsistent, and you never know who is going to have the off day.
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 1, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Bowen maybe
I can’t see the Cowboys getting much if anything for Hatcher. He’s a former 3rd or 4th rd pick, and he hasn’t lived up to expectations.
I like Bowen, and I don’t think they’d can match his production in a trade. I don’t see him bringing more than a low draft pick.
Antrel Rolle please
Get this guy in Dallas so we can released the cocky, overaggressive, lazy, all around bad football player that is Ken Hamlin.
After that who knows. But I would love to get Rolle in Dallas so we can focus on O-Line and finally (hopefully) a REAL backup to Ratliff at NT.
If he is so good then why does a piss poor D like Arizona(see last 2 GB games and NO game)
Why do they release him.
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+1
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 1, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
$12 Million
His rookie contract has an obscene escalator clause.
They still want him. He was a Pro Bowl alternate, so the rest of the league thought he did well, ’cause no way does AZ get fan votes.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
With injuries and SB teams unable to participate, Im surprized I wasnt a pro bowl alternate
We were down to what?! tje 8th best QB in one conference playing, the 10 best CB.
Im sorry but a pro bowl nomination/appearance means nothing anymore. If he was all that, they would of found a way to rework his deal. He isnt worth our 1 big FA signing shot and he will think he deserves more than a second tier FA can get.
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He was the original 3rd or 4th safety chosen
None of our guys made it. Hey, I’m not a huge believer in Pro Bowls as a measure of greatness, but it does show that he’s got talent.
AZ has published that they are trying to re-work the deal, but he wants to test the market.
Bottom line is that he’s a 1st Round draft pick, has played CB & Safety…well, and is the only Safety prospect that isn’t ready for retirement (Sharper, et al). He’s a legitimate option.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
That is true...
and he isn’t that old.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 1, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Your right, feeling grouchy. You would think this team went 3-13 the way everyone want to overhaul it.
The only guys I havent heard about upgrading are Romo, Witten, Austin, and Felix. And remember that list will get shorter once we hear from Tex. Of course Tex is a kook, but he is far from the only one.
KICK ASS every day!!!
My upgrade list
My belief is that we have only a select group of starters that requires upgrading. I realize this isn’t fantasy football and we’re severely limited by fiscal, FA, & draft realities.
Fiscal realities mean that guaranteed money = player is staying. That precludes Roy Williams, MBIII, and Tony Romo are safe (at least this year). Further, Owner Jones has set a budget and will not dip into his (sizable) profit.
FA limitations mean that only 1 or 2 “superstars” could possibly be signed. The “Final Eight Plan” says we can only sign 1 big-money FA. Another could come from what used to be called salary-cap casualties…players cut due to high salaries.
Draft realities mean that only 2 or 3 players will be impact players.
That said, here’s my list:
-OL (2): Flo is on the downside of his career, makes a buttload of cash, and is injury-prone of late. Kosier is in his last year and, while serviceable, is not a dominant player
- Safety: Hamlin is overpaid vs. production.
- DL: 3 RFAs mean that youth is needed, because a year or two down the road will mean big contracts or release. Also, production (especially from Spears) has been adequate, but not stellar.
- ILB (2): While last year’s draft brought some hope, hope is not a plan. Carpenter is in his last year and Brooking is old.
That’s 6 starters. Assume 2 in the draft, 2 in FA, and 2 from the current roster. Which current backup players could compete? Well, Free and Jason Williams might fill the bill. But that still leaves OL, S, ILB, and DE to be our real needs. If we can sign Rolle, that alleviates “reaching” for a draft pick.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I agree with most of it.
If a stud Safety fell to us and was BPA, I would draft him. However Rolle would cost us a bundle and I dont see him as enough of an upgrade over Hamlin. I watched about 4 Cards game and nothing ever stood out. Dansby, Bertrand and Rogers were the only guys I remember after a game. Rolle could very well be good but I wasnt looking and he didnt jump out.
The rest of it looks like I could have written it. I want to use this year to upgrade OL and DL because its so deep. We need youth and depth and this looks like a good year to replenish it. If we bite the bullet and load up this year we could put it on the back burner for a few years
Im a solid believer in being strong in the trenches but if a great FS, or ILB fell I would be tempted but It would to be a great value pick.
LB worries me some. If we didnt get one this year, it would come to the top of my list in the 11 draft. Another stud CB is something I would be looking for in 2012.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Slightly off topic
but in the process of searching for the definition of Football Outsider’s speed score I came across this.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/08/five-downs-with-football-outsiders-is-ro.html
“2. Adam “Pacman” Jones arrived here with a lot of talk about his Pro Bowl potential. How close was he to being an elite cornerback for the Titans?
He wasn’t close. He already was one. Jones often lined up in man coverage, and absolutely shut down opposing wideouts in 2006. His success rate was 63% — that was second-best amongst all corners, and the 5.4 yards he gave up per pass were the best in the league. It’s impossible to say what he’ll be this year because of the year off, his obviously bizarre mental state, and the time it may take to adjust to a new system, but when his mind is right, Adam Jones is on the shortlist of best cornerbacks in football."
[Alan] Ball is a better CB [than Adam Jones]
-Squidlo97, Feb 12 2010
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 1, 2010 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
That was 2006 or 07.
What did he do again last year.
UPDATE 3/01/10 Ball is still better than Pacman.
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I'd rather have Nate Jones back than PacMan.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2010 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
Oh for the love of....
I thought that the Pacman crap was dead.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 1, 2010 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
The Nathan Jones that gave up 11 rec / 124 yards
to Wes Welker in one game? That Nathan Jones?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 7:26 AM CST up reply actions
He was being sarcastic .... somewhat...
Althought it isn’t like Pacman exactly shut down every wr he faced when he was with Dallas.
I distinctly remember Deasean Jackson run right towards him and right past him for a Brian Westbrook TD… because he spiked it before he reached the goalline.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 7:51 AM CST up reply actions
Nate Jones is at least good enough to make a team.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
Pacman worked out for Cincy and was out of shape and unimpressive
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
so
did they offer him a three year deal then?
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 1, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
HA! He was actually so bad that even Cincy passed on him
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
or
he is on the straight and narrow and lacks the character issues they chase?
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 1, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
there are different reports
this one says the Bengals are interested
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/02/28/pacman-schedules-march-19-workout-for-teams/
“Jones, a 2005 first-round draft pick by the Titans, recently worked out for the Bengals and generated interest from that team, according to a source. However, he wants to assess the market and show scouts what he can do.”
This one says he was terrible
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-directsnap021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
As for Pacman Jones, the word was even worse.
"He worked out, but he wasn’t really ready to work out, if you know what I’m saying," said the first of the two Cincinnati sources. "If he really wants to get back in the league, I don’t know what he’s been doing to get ready for it."
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 1, 2010 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
That's odd.
I know he’s hosting a ProDay thing soon, but haven’t heard which teams are going.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
Toleda Hens, from the IWIWHFUFL.
Thats the I Wish I Wouldnt Have F@@ked up Football League.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I am going to ask nicely
please cut out the disparaging remarks about Adam Jones.
You don’t want jerks, ok. Everyone knows your position.
Adam Jones dad was murdered when he was four. His grandmother, who raised him, died when he was at West Virginia. He stutters. Hilarious to you apparently.
He’s got problems. But the mistakes he made happened before he was 24 years old. I don’t understand why you’re rooting for his life to be over. Adam Jones is tragic, not comic.
Personally, I think its monsterous to delight in failure of kid who had so much going against him.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
1st, you brought him back up not me.
Dont play the “he is a victim” card with me. Thats a bullshit loser mentality that sucking the life out of my country. It makes me sick when people blame others. Whose life is perfect?
He knows right from wrong. I believe in 2nd,3rd 4th, 100th chances in life. No body is perfect. However, I can sure as hell not want him on my team after giving him his 3rd or 4th chance.
God blessed him with an unbelievable talent and he is pissing it a way. Jerry went so far out of his way to help this guy and crapped he on him.
I take no joy from the failures of another human being. Get off of your sactimonious high horse. I am taking shots at the player not the man. You want to be in the bright lights and make millions then “MAN UP”.
KICK ASS every day!!!
do you even read what you write?
“I take no joy from the failures of another human being.”
vs
“Thats the I Wish I Wouldnt Have F@@ked up Football League”
“Get off of your sactimonious high horse.”
vs
“Thats a bullshit loser mentality that sucking the life out of my country.”
Writing posts about “No Jerks” (and of course you judge who’s a jerk) and calling other sanctimonious.
Anyway, you’re saying we agree, that you’re not actually delighting in his failure. That’s doesn’t come across in your writing. So if you mean it, then maybe you want to consider your tone.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
I am making a joke. Get over it.
We are all playing GM when we talk about what we would do for this team. A no jerk policy for a team, in my opinion, is a good rule to have for a busines or team. Its my business and the business of wanna be GMs to be judgemental of a persons physical and mental make up. I actually have to make a judgement call.
I have apologized to you on another thread because I though something went wrong on my part. Somehow you continue to take my dislike of Pacman personally.
KICK ASS every day!!!
These are your quotes
“The only thing he accomplished since starting his rookie year is mayhem and jail. Thats not much of a resume. You are living in the past. The dude is an idiot. "
“He wont be worth the the price of a stamp that mails his next indictment. True.”
“Its not worth saving. Pacman is a hood rat and thats all he will ever be. Let him leave some other teamm high and dry come playoff time. "
“I beleieve he had the serious injury of Brain damage.”
I can really see how you’re “taking shots at the player not the man.”
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
isnt what we are doing on here passing judgement on others.
Isnt that the point. So you dont like my delivery or humor.
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Ummmmm
Who cares?
People make fun of Roy Williams and Tony Romo all the time on here.
Some is warranted, others not.
Pacman gets alot of grief because he’s brought it on alot on himself.
I hope the guy succeeds and has a great life, because I don’t hate him, but up to this point in his life, he could definitly be labeled foolish.
He has had 1st,2nd, and 3rd chances in the league and somehow has managed to mess them all up.
If he had showed up in football shape for the Bengals, I have no doubt they would have signed him.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Hey Fan
You need to dial down the outrage a tad. What are you Pacman’s BFF?
He’s a F-up, he’s been blessed with the talent to make millions and make a difference in this world, yet he lacks common sense and he doesn’t respect anyone. He’s got no one to blame for his current situation but himself. That’s the fact. So if you are trying to blame his upbringing, then you’ve been suckered.
Life is tough my man. That doesn’t give people a right to run around being D-bags.
Sorry for the rant, but your love for Pacman is beyond ridiculous. This biography of his hard upbringing is the final straw for me. Give it a rest. Pacman isn’t coming back to Dallas. Jerry went out of his way to create an environment in which this guy could succeed and he still threw it away. It wasn’t the 1st time either. So if some of our bloggers want to comment on the train wreck that is Pacman by making a harmless joke, I suggest you ignore it. Because your attempt to jump up on your soapbox and lecture the rest of us is out of bounds.
No one is rooting for him to fail.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
1. I’m not sure why you feel the need to insert yourself into a comment that was directly between Squidlo and I
2. “Because your attempt to jump up on your soapbox and lecture the rest of us is out of bounds.” You think it’s ok to lecture me about how life’s tough and how he’s had all the chances in the world. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t love to lecture everyone else but get the vapors if god forbid someone has termity to question what you’re doing. You have some thin skin. Maybe you shouldn’t frequent internet chat boards if you’re so easily upset
3. I read A LOT of nasty comments before I asked Squidlo to cut it out.
4. You say you agree. Why are you arguing then? The easiest answer for the people who wrote the comments would be ‘i don’t want him to fail. maybe I’ll re-examine my tone because apparently my writing isn’t conveying my intent."
5. You can choose to do whatever you want. I articulated my opinion. People will either be persuaded or they won’t. If you’re not maybe you’ll keep making pac-rat/hood rat/worthless thug jokes. Maybe someone will be persuaded and will stop.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 3, 2010 7:07 AM CST up reply actions
It's a free blog
1) I can respond to whatever comment I want to, if you want to cry about it go ahead. I wasn’t the only one either, but I guess you don’t want to take on The Iron Fist.
2) I didn’t lecture anyone, that’s your deal. You’re the guy that is so upset by a joke regarding the Pacman that he asks other bloggers to stop it, because Pac had a rough childhood and it’s not right. I don’t get the thin skin comment, in fact I would use that description to characterize your response to people poking fun at your boy.
3) So what, see the subject line
4) Where did I say I agree with you? Because I don’t. People can make fun of any player they want to. I’m not going to ask them to stop it. That is ridiculous.
5) I am not persuaded, I still have a low opinion of Pacman, and maybe I don’t pile on with the snarky comments, but I do find them humorous and would even think to ask people to stop.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
I'm replying bc I clear didn't communicate this well
1. I’m not crying about it. Just thought it was strange that you would insert yourself to lecture me on not lecturing people.
3. The point was i’m really not interested in lecturing or moralizing to others. It was only have, I don’t know, 2 weeks of comments that I brought it up. I don’t think that’s excessive outrage.
4. I thought uou agreed that ‘no one is rooting for him to fail’. If that’s true, see the above comment.
5. I’m simply hoping to persuade people to stop the snarky comments. They seem unnessarily mean spirited. I’m not going lose sleep if they don’t. Maybe I’m naive but I get the impression Squidlo’s a stand up guy and he might stick to the football on Pacman as opposed to the silly insults.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 3, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
10-11 new cowboys
6 draft picks
Rolle
Marshall
FA OL
FA DE
by TONYINCC on Feb 28, 2010 11:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Sounds good to me.
Probably won’t be able to get both Rolle and Marshall though.
Ready for some baseball.
Sproles?
How about Sproles? I’m thinking about him more for the return game though.
I’m sure he could improve the avg starting position after KOs. Not sure how he’d do for PRs, though.
And how about Wilfork? Think the Crypt Kreeper might be willing to ship him out?
Also, wasn’t there some stupid rumor about Moss coming here? Forget about Moss, bring in Marshall.
I believe Rolle is scheduled to make $12 mil this season, not sure if he’s worth more than that.
Hmmm
You gonna sign Sproles EXCLUSIVELY for return? Otherwise, what, you’re gonna give him big money to take carries away from Felix just when he’s gonna get more?
2. You mean Seymour, no? Wilfork has been franchised by NE. So has Seymour, FWIW.
3. Moss? Marshall?
You’re going to give either one big money WHILE Roy continues to get big money and BEFORE Austin gets his big contract?
Madness.
I would hope that Jerry would be smart enough to cut ties with Roy.
Bit it’s not looking very promising. Yeah it would be a hell of a cap hit, but it’s uncapped this year so who cares. That’s what I would mainly use it for, was to purge the team of bad contracts and replace those spots with more productive players.
Ready for some baseball.
... one can only hope, but I agree with you here.
Having just said why mess with a good thing when it comes to Flo and Hamlin, I do think cutting/trading Roy would be a good thing… we’re basically putting good money after bad in keeping him after his performance last year.
The ONLY thread of an argument Roy has revolves around his rib injuries. Starting with the hit in training camp, and then against Denver? he took a good shot. Perhaps he’s less alligator-armed, catches a few more, adds confidence instead of doubt, and blah blah blah…
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I doubt it.
He’s been in the league since 2004, and has had one season over 1,000 yards, with his next best season being 838 yards. That 1,300 yard season was a fluke, he will NEVER do that again. He’s not a #1, he’s probably not even in the top 3 on this team, and keeping him around is a mistake. Jerry’s pride be damned. If he wants to keep his dignity he needs to own up and admit that the signing was a mistake and get rid of him. People would respect that a lot more, because continuing to put his vote of confidence on Roy is just making him look dumber.
Ready for some baseball.
Roy fans hang on to that one season like it is his norm when it is clearly a career year for the guy
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Yeah I don't get it.
It was an exception to the rule, not the rule. Every other season he’s had says he’s a mediocre receiver.
Ready for some baseball.
Does the move make the team better?
That is the question you should be asking yourself. the bottom line is not the money. The bottom line is winning, and winning of course carries positive financial consequences as well.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
That's great when talking about someone else's money
We all know Jerry will do what it takes to win when signing FA’s, but there is a limit, and he’s not going to go ape shit with the FA’s this year.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
Yeah but 9.5 mil is not his limit
if it means making the team significantly better.
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Please let's clean up the locker room...
and then go get Brandon Marshall… that would send a good message.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 1, 2010 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
Actually....
Even the most optimistic draft outcome would see seven or maybe eight rookies
….My optimistic outcome envisions us having fewer picks because it meant we traded up.
Tis the silly season
I’ll have one of them, 2 of those, give me a box of those naked lady tees…
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
yea, I agree... no matter who we choose with our #1 ... I will have immediate buyer's remorse :)
The proverbial kid in the candy store. And with this draft, we’ll likely be well into the 3rd round before the talent starts to enter riskier territory. That’s deep…
I think Jerry’s referring to all of the above … the drafts from last year that have yet to make the field … add in 6 with this year’s draft and you’re still talking about a couple of FA pick-ups. Throw in JUST ONE trade, and you either are adding a proven player or another draft pick – or two.
One thing about being a Cowboys fan, you just don’t have to worry much about Jerry being too tight. Christmas starts with the beginning of free agency :) … I’d love it if we pick up even just one of the better FA’s at ANY position. One less area to focus on during the draft.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Gunga...galunga
“There won’t be any [good draft choices], but when you die, on your deathbed you will receive total consciousness.” So [we] got that goin’ for [us], which is nice.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Reading the story carefully...
He said they’ll wait till the FA rush settles to get involved, so he does plan on signing some FA’s. Much like last year when we didn’t go for the biggest names, but players who were under the radar. I’m guessing they’ve already targeted a couple of those types of players they want to pursue.
Also it seems clear there could be a trade or two. A key phrase is “next year’s roster could see 10 – 11 new players.” Last year’s draft may not count in that scenario. They didn’t play, but they were on the roster. That one could go either way. He may be counting Brewster, Hodge, and Williams as new players on the roster. Anyway,
2 – 3 FA’s
1 – 2 From trade
5 – 6 Draft
Total 8 – 11.
This is the part that really intrigues me. When you’re going to have up to 11 new players, that means 11 players from last year have to be cut or traded. One thing that has always rang true about Jerry is that he considers it his domain to bring in Free Agents. That’s where he derives great enjoyment, and that has been one of his major contributions to the team over the years, good or bad.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
I should have read this post before my reply above ... you said it all much better :)
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I'm Wondering If....
JJ is includeing those players on our practice squad?
He could also get some street free agents like Holly.
I’m glad that we are not standing pat with this roster but I like the fact that we are retaining most of the coaches.
I really expect more improvement on our special teams this year.I really hope we could get a kicker that could last a few years.I year for a return man like Hester and hope that is one area where we see improvement.I cringe every time I see Newman returning kicks.
I think we are going to trade one of our tackles and one of our DE's
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
You can't trade what you don't own
Restricted Free Agents can’t be traded (unless it’s a sign & trade type deal). That means Spears, Bowen, & Hatcher are not trade bait. If a team wants them, they can sign them (owing us whatever draft compensation they’re tendered).
Same for McQuistan. And no one would give us bupkiss for Flo (knowing he’ll be cut).
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Actually...
If they’re an RFA you can trade the rights. Unless they’ve changed it RFAs still get first round draft compensation, if a team would rather have something other than a first round pick you can work that out.
No you can't
A team can sign the player to a contract, and then allow the owning team to either match or receive compensation (which varies between original draft choice, 2nd Round, 1st Round, or 1st & 3rd Round picks).
The other choice is to get the other team to sign the player to a contract that is acceptable to the team wanting the player and then “trade” for that player. This is commonly known as a Sign & Trade deal.
But you can’t simply trade the RFA rights.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
nothing fancy
I expect JJ to pick up a few extra draft picks by moving down as well as some FA after the draft. There will likely be no big splashes from the FA pool, at least not from a Cowboys perspective.
The Super Bowl is in Arlington this coming season.
I will be shocked if Jerry doesn’t make some kind of a splash.
Ready for some baseball.
Competition for...
Flo
Barber
Kosier
Cricket
Hamlin
Spears/Bowen/Hatcher
Siaavii
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and Procter
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2010 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
And Hurd
and Octavian
and Watkins
and …you get the idea
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I had Hurd listed originally, but I think there will be plenty of competition
at the WR spot with the guys already there and if they draft one. I don’t see them picking one up in FA.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 1, 2010 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
not RW tho
sounds like his starting spot is etched in granite
as a tribute to what they made his hands out of
hi-ooooo
by I_miss_Switzer on Mar 1, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Any Wade guys out there?
ILB Matt Wilhem maybe?
NT Ian Scott?
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They had a chance to get Ian Scott last season
But they didn’t even bring him in for a look (as far as I heard). So I’m guessing no on him.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
Jerry is more than likely including our 2009 rookies
who were on IR last season because technically they weren’t on our 2009 roster.
In Romo we Trust
We will...
….cut Flo and Hamlin to get out from under their contracts with this year’s “get-out-of-contract-free” card. Maybe Carpenter, too. This opportunity to really get ahead on cap structure can’t be understated.
Then, we will (or should) sign FS Rolle, hand Doug Free the LT position to lose, trade up in the draft to get Bruce Campbell for future LT and awesome depth.
From my understanding, if we cut Flo and Hamlin we could add 2 high-priced FAs plus the one allowed under the final 8 rule. Add Carpenter and maybe we could add another bigtime FA, though, I dunno too many positions that could warrant a big-money upgrade. Then again, I could totally be misunderstanding this year’s FA rules.
We’re close, fellas. This year’s gauntlet schedule reminds me of Pittsburgh’s two year’s ago. All we gotta do is take care of ourselves and our own game and, in making the playoffs, we’ll be the most battle-hardened team in the tourney.
Can’t wait for this Friday! Cya!
Totally disagree...
Squidlo said it best:
You would think this team went 3-13 the way everyone want to overhaul it.
This team was close this year, and I just don’t see Jerry risking a potential Super Bowl run in the name of the salary cap. He signed Flo and Hamlin in the last two years, yet people are already hoping to run them out of town?
Defensively, the Cowboys were starting to dominate games … why fix something that ain’t broken? While we should certainly seek competition and depth, I don’t see Hamlin going anywhere. Even if we land a top safety in the draft, how can you be sure they’ll be ready to go from day one? How can you be so sure a rookie can improve on what this D was doing to finish the year?
Offensively, I’d like to see upgrades on the OLine as much as anyone, but that also usually takes time and patience. You can’t pencil in a draft choice, they’ll need to earn it. And spending a year or two trying to best Flo or Kosier can only be a good thing.
Don’t get me wrong, I hope we pick up a FA or two in the coming weeks – and I hope they compete for starting positions – especially along the OLine. But outside of “expendables” like Carpenter or Marty B, I don’t see us wanting to clean house this year… especially when it comes to a rock like Flo.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I think you're misunderstanding.
I think the rule that you’re talking about that says we can sign what we lose (in addition to the one high priced guy we’re allowed and limitless $3.7 million or less guys) only counts for outgoing free agents. If we cut players I don’t think that counts, and therefore that rule doesn’t apply.
Ready for some baseball.
No, I think you are misunderstanding.
We are interested in filling a few holes and some depth. Not whole sale changes. Good teams build from within. When you bring in FA its too enhance what is already here not take over and not prevent youth from developing.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Not sure how you got whole sale changes from that
but that’s not what I said.
Ready for some baseball.
Unless you're New Orleans and sign Drew Brees as a FA and win the Super Bowl
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 1, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah thats a plan you can consistently follow.
Banking on getting a Drew Brees in FA is like banking on a probowl LT under the age of 26. Remember the only reason they got him is Chargers drafted Rivers and more importantly had a wicked shoulder injury 30 teams didnt even entertain.
KICK ASS every day!!!
C'mon ... you have appreciate that this is slightly humorous
You said
“When you bring in FA its too enhance what is already here not take over and not prevent youth from developing.”
when this year the best player on the Super Bowl champion was a FA.
There are countless examples
New England (Harrison, Moss, Seau)
Minny (Farve)
Arizona (Warner)
I’m not going to argue because it’s silly. The Brees example was so glaringly obvious though I couldn’t let it pass.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 1, 2010 6:11 PM CST up reply actions
Hey I wrote a fan post. Please check out points 4,5,7,and 8.
I really like those the best.
Your right about the QBs and Moss was given away to a team with a strong lockerroom leadership.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Roy Williams
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4954919
Maybe one of the new Cowboys is a Roy Williams that can actually play.
Is talking about the active roster?
Could he be talking about guys who got hurt and saw limited to no action like Brewster?
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