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NFL Drafting 101

 

I don’t like looking too hard at the numbers. I prefer to let my own eyes tell me the truth about things in the world.

 

I’m just not the kind to delve too deeply into the myriad of statistics that the NFL continues to add, create and make available on the web.

 

Like you, I love the NFL draft. If Dallas isn’t in the Super Bowl, then the NFL draft is my favorite day of the NFL year. Not because of what I know, but because of what I don’t know. Who better epitomizes the topsy-turvy world of drafting than the free-wheeling Jerry Jones? Predicting what he’ll do with his picks is almost guaranteed to be a losing proposition. But, as crazy as it sounds, I think that makes me love it even more. There’s more conjecture, philosophy and debate about the NFL draft by every guy who can count to 32 than about the merits of healthcare reform. I know; scary right?

 

But in this post, I decided to mix it up a bit. I went back and did a deeper-than-normal dive into the drafts from 2005-2007 (wanted enough NFL performance history between the draft and present day) to see if I could derive what, in my opinion, were any meaningful trends about drafting. Again, there is absolutely nothing scientific or mathematically verifiable here, just my observations, and an invitation for you to give your own.

 

So, I looked position by position at the first round choices and tried to see if I could tell if it was safer to pick a DB in round 1 than a LB. Better to go O-line or RB? I based my findings off of what I’ve seen from good ol’ NFL Sunday ticket and my own trips to the games. So, here goes…

 

2005

 

Clearly, this draft was generally a bust for the NFL as a whole. It was led off by Alex Smith and co-starred such future Hall of Famers as Matt Jones and Erasmus James. Here’s how it looked;

 

 

 

2006

 

It was a truly a turnaround in terms of talent from the prior year and maybe one of the best 1st rounds in the decade. Interesting choices;

 

 

 

2007

 

While not as rich as the prior year, there were plenty of gems;

 

 

 

So what, if anything, did we learn?

 

Well, at least over this short period, drafting a QB in round 1 was a bad move, although more recent trends with Sanchez, Ryan and Flacco say otherwise. If you’re a draftnik, it really makes you appreciate the QB class of 1983 even more…three HOF QB’s in the first round? Are you freakin’ kidding me?!?!? Running backs in round 1 were generally some of the safest bets out there. WR’s were, and continue to be, anyone’s guess. First round Tight Ends are almost a lock to be valuable contributors. Offensive linemen in the first round tend to be studs far more so than duds.

 

First round DB’s are the antithesis of O-linemen where there are more busts than booms. Linebackers are one of the safer bets in the first round and generated the highest number of pro bowlers in their particular subset (tied with O-linemen). Finally, D-linemen were a sour bunch in this exercise with several of them being non-factors on their teams.

 

And what does that mean for our Cowboys?

 

Anecdotally, it looks safer to take a Mike Iupati or a Vlad DuCasse than a Golden Tate. Skill players are the glamorous pick, no doubt, but investing in quality linemen on the offensive side of the ball seemed to have a bigger impact on teams’ ability to improve their play more quickly.

 

Now 2010 is a bit of an anomaly with the expiring CBA and different rules around Free Agency. Obviously, that will impact how players move (or don’t move) and change the way teams address roster needs.

 

Regardless, we’ve now begun the journey toward the moment when Roger Goodell will announce that first pick for the Cowboys and we can all start arguing the pluses and minuses of their actions. I can’t wait!       



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The problem with that is.....

Oline, LB, and TE are also higher success rates in the later rounds I would gather. While this year, at pick #27 the numbers shouldn’t be too daunting, but, paying that much money consistantly for these positions leaves less for the skill positions.

by ddthinks on Feb 5, 2010 7:55 PM CST reply actions  

Hmmm

Other than Peyton Manning, who are they paying a ton of money to on the “skill player” side?

Remember, that team just set an NFL record for consecutive 11 and 12 win seasons, so I’d say they are the benchmark for winning and consistency over the last decade.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 6, 2010 12:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Missed your reply earlier, how did we jump to the Colts?

But, sure, let’s use the Colts as a benchmark. How many 1st round picks have they used on offensive linemen? Ugoh and Pollack were recent 2nd round picks. They are paying Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark market value salaries. I’m ALL for trading around and stockpiling 2nd and 3rd round picks to draft Olinemen and in future years LB and TE. But, to me, the high success rate means that unless I’m getting a freak level player at the position, I can be confident in getting a starter at these positions in the early 2nd round. In Dallas’ case, they have just been terrible over the years in picking the right ones.

by ddthinks on Feb 7, 2010 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

2nd round o-linemen are almost a lock for a bust in Big D

Time to shake it up and go with one at #27, no?

Maybe look for a WR who falls to us in round 2?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

27th pick is almost a 2nd round pick....

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 9, 2010 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Flo was picked what 11 years ago?

Gurode is good, but not great and he is a center. If he was all world then they wouldnt have wanted Unger to play Center and move Gurode to LG. It was going to happen if Unger was drafted.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

They didn't want Unger to start at center

They wanted Unger to provide quality depth for Gurode and our guards and even tackles because he’s that versatile, and would have been Gurode’s replacement eventually.

Gurode is a pro bowl center BTW.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 10, 2010 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah they did and this was confirmed a long time ago...

in fact when Nick Eatman, Josh, and Derek at DC.com brought the subject up, Nick said not too soon after the draft they were told there intentions were to draft Unger and eventually move Gurode to LG…why would you think not? We already know they wanted Unger. What, you think they were using a 2nd round pick for him to be a backup? yeah right Terry….there is a reason why he is a starting center in this league. Sorry, Gurode is not as great as you think.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2010 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Gurode is a pro bowl center

and I’m not saying Unger wouldn’t have moved to center eventually, but not Immediately.

And yes, they would have drafted him to be a quality backup right away. Anyone the Cowboys draft will be a backup their rookie year, we don’t have any holes other kicker.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 11, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Under wouldve been the backup for 1 season tops and Gurode wouldve been moved...thats a given

Unger is one of the best centers in the game right now in his short time in the NFL.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 13, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a beast.

Mack is a stud too.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 13, 2010 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

How do you know . Given smiven Thats bullsh@t and Ull telll you why.

He would never have been given the chance his 1st year.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Feb 13, 2010 6:43 PM CST up reply actions  

According to who?
Unger is one of the best centers in the game right now

This is ridiculous. Unger started a couple games at the end of the year at center, only because the Seahags starter was injured. There is no way you can state he’s one of the best. This is simply not true.

Drago says, "We must break you!"

by APerfectStar on Feb 15, 2010 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah that's ridiculous.

I think Unger is very good, but to say he’s one of the best in the game is absurd.

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 16, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Strangely...

The NFL doesn’t have a lot of great centers.

In a league where Andre Gurode is a perennial pro bowler, you have to ask yourself, “where have you gone, Jim Otto?”

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 16, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

the point is Unger wouldve been the starting Center of this team in a year of being drafted..

they liked Unger that much….

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 18, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Not sure if we know that or not...

Are you saying that Gurode would have been displaced or that he would have slid out to Kosier’s spot?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 18, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

+1

That isn’t certain, possible, but not certain.

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 18, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

that was their intentions yes....

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 19, 2010 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

You know Dallas's intentions now?

Holy Crap, am I the only fng person that doesn’t talk to Jerry Jones on a daily basis?

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 19, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Jerry and I are going bowling tonight

Then he and I have poker night on Tuesday.

Wonder why you haven’t been invited…

Hmmm.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 19, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably...

because I cheat.

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 19, 2010 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

not too sure about 2006 RB class being a jackpot...

the only one that got game is DeAngelo Williams, the other 3 RB are pretty much in the same class as Alex Smith(QB). Not bad but not good either…

by LiLGiT on Feb 5, 2010 7:56 PM CST reply actions  

Would you say that those players are...

both worthy of their draft positions and valuable contributors in terms of their teams’ performance?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 6, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Bush was going to go in the top 2-3 regardless...

There wasn’t a draftnik out there that thought the Saints were reaching. Houston’s decision to pass on Bush of course also looks wise.

And Joseph Addai has definitely justified his position. He was almost rookie of the year, and outside a few poor/fumbling performances he’s been well above average.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Feb 7, 2010 3:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Didn't Charley Casserly lose his job over that one?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:20 AM CST up reply actions  

No, not for that. The Texans had their best draft ever that year.

If he was fired it was because of all the terrible personnel moves he made before that. Philip Buchanon, Travis Johnson, Jason Babin, etc…

by DoomsdayD75 on Feb 13, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Another way to look at it

In that group of four, only one (Maroney) hasn’t been to the Pro Bowl.

Alex Smith wouldn’t be allowed at the Pro Bowl even if he bought a ticket.

In addition, they have 2 Super Bowl rings (Bush and Addai) and 3 of the 4 have already been to the Super Bowl as a conference champ.

I’d call it a great haul.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Not too sure about this

Firstly, the sample size is too small, as is the amount of time the players have spent in the league. Secondly, your conclusion is also flawed.

Anecdotally, it looks safer to take a Mike Iupati or a Vlad DuCasse than a Golden Tate. Skill players are the glamorous pick, no doubt, but investing in quality linemen on the offensive side of the ball seemed to have a bigger impact on teams’ ability to improve their play more quickly.

That is untrue. While it is probably a ‘safer’ pick to take a lineman than a WR, that relationship breaks down when analysing individual players. Is it safer to draft a Cory Procter in the first than a Peyton Manning because one is a lineman and one is a QB? Of course not, because the success of individual players is not influenced by the success of others before them.

RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 5, 2010 8:23 PM CST reply actions  

i don't think

Proctor was rated anywhere near what Peyton was rated coming out of college

by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 5, 2010 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Obviously not

it was exaggeration for the sake of emphasis. I was merely stating that while Lineman may be ‘safer’ picks than WRs, using that as logic to suggest that lupati is a safer pick than Tate is wrong.

RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 5, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions  

thats true

using that logic to determine everything is wrong, but if we were in rebuilding and there was a Guard and a WR w/ the same grade I would probably say go Guard since we would need both and the guard pick would have a higher chance of not being wasted

by nicholas.rodriguez on Feb 6, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

brewster and doug free will develop into good players by next year

We have a consistent Kyle Kosier, Gurode, and Davis. Our only problem might be Flo, but Free should be able to play left tackle if Flo doesn’t perform. Remember that Flozell had some great games last season, I don’t think he is done as a quality left tackle just yet.
I would take Golden Tate first round, then Left Tackle second round.

Golden Tate can believe it's not butter.

by labone7 on Feb 6, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

How can you say that about Brewster?

What is it based on?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 6, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

you stole my question ...

At this stage, I’m merely hopeful about Brewster. The year off for study and weights can prove to help a young guy… I just wish he at least finished a few weeks of Training Camp to give him (and us) more to think about.

5B… excellent post, just rec’d … and only supports my hope that we spend 2 out of our first 3 on O-Linemen … in whatever order makes sense.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Feb 7, 2010 3:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks man...

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Brewster is a guard, not a tackle to begin with...

Lupati is also a guard at the next level and if the coaching staff thinks that then we won’t be using a high pick on a guard….it would just be a waste of a first round pick, especially if they think Brewster is the future LG.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 7, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

That makes sense

…but Brewster’s weight and injury scare me. If it scares the team, all bets are off.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:02 AM CST up reply actions  

I think you missed the point

When evaluating what to do with your pick in the first round, you look at a subset of draft-eligible players who are rated best at their positions.

Manning was the best.

Procter was…I’m not sure WHAT Procter was, actually.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 6, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it anyway!

Key is GOOD scouting, Strong, Fast, with non-stop motors. Oline is the pick this year, but again we have to see what left when our turn comes around. If all the real first round LT’s are gone do we take that outstanding guard? Guess he could play right tackle ( Columbo’s effectivness is quickly coming to an end- mark my words). Can Doug Free play LT? He hasshown he has the feet, but not the meat! What about a back up center? The dude on the PS from BYU is trying to learn it-hope he can!

by bad knees on Feb 5, 2010 8:45 PM CST reply actions  

You said a lot there

Is Dallas in a position to go BPA this year?

I dunno.

I can’t imagine they could draft a RB even if the #1 RB was there at #27.

But does that mean they should reach for the BOLA (Best O-Lineman Available)?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 6, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say we're not

we have one very strong need along the ol, one pretty strong need along the dl, and we can probably go bpa at some point for a safety/lber/wr.

The OL just weighs so heavily that i can’t imagine us NOT taking ol with 2 of our top 4 picks. We’re risking our franchise qb’s health if we don’t.

by foyesboys on Feb 8, 2010 3:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Most would agree with you

…but I am not sure if Jerry will.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Super Bowl in his house in 2011.....whats Jerry going to do?

makes some splashes to make sure he gets there I would think..

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 9, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

little different this time around...

He has a brand new stadium and a lockout looming the following season….dont think that isnt weighing on Jerrys mind…He wants it so bad this year.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2010 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

he wants it bad every year...this year is no different

but my point is that making a big splash in FA or the draft won’t get you automatically in the SB.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 10, 2010 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Home team for a Super Bowl?

Just think of it…

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly and Jerry knows it

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2010 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

So, your position is...

that Jerry might do some crazy, whacked out stuff with FA and the draft because he wants it more this year than in any other?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 11, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

not crazy...

Maybe acquire a really good player through a trade or sign a couple of FA’s. or even move up in the draft to get an impact player..

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 11, 2010 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Got any names in mind?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 11, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I think there is going to alot of player for player trades this year more than ever.

Im not saying Jerry is going to go FA crazy because with the current status of how FA is going to work it will be impossible to acquire alot of FA’s. I think you may see contract for contract swaps. Jerry is going to make a move or two, maybe even for a high profile player this off season.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 13, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Like who?

Brandon Marshall?

Merriman?

Josh Cribbs?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 13, 2010 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I never said it wasn't

but that doesn’t mean Jerry is going to sign big name free agents or make a any blockbuster trades either

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 15, 2010 7:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Lots of GM's have to contend with that...

The question is whether Jerry can keep his cool and continue to build for the long haul instead of making some stupid, knee-jerk Brandon Marshall-for-two-first-rounders kind of deal.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 15, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he proved last year he's definitely more than capable

and I see Stephen playing a greater role in influencing his father in this regard.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 15, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions  

How did he prove that last year?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 15, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

He traded for Roy

Are you giving him credit for that one?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 16, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

So you're saying that one off season

…after two decades as the GM who’s been erratic, egomaniacal and footloose with the team’s lifeblood draft picks, has actually proven something?

One of anything is not a pattern, nor is it predictive of a developing pattern.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 16, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

no I'm saying the opposite

the RW trade was an aberration of how Jerry has operated over the past several years since Parcells was hired.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 17, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

When exactly has the Dan Snyder school of FA ever won a SB.

Guys that could actually make the difference you guys talk about will never be available.

Lets build through the draft and not just win but win every year.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Feb 11, 2010 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Money comment!

But only if you meant that we should NOT trade down.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 12, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I would rather not but if everyone that fits our profile is gone and its a major (15 picks or more) drop then Im ok with it.

I really dont want to in the first 3 rounds this year. I would rather jump up and hook a stud.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Feb 13, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

It's been a while since we aggressively pursued someone in the 1st round

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 13, 2010 6:03 PM CST up reply actions  

who was the last one where

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 14, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

who was the last one where

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 14, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions  

where we pursued a player?

Sorry…just getting used to my new iMAC

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 14, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Spencer, we move up for but that was after trading down so I dont know if that counts.

Damm, the last one I remember was trading up with Seattle to snag Dorsett. LOL!!

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Feb 14, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

everyone knows there might be a lockout

draft picks this year will be at a premium. what even happens to a ‘11 draft pick if there’s a lock out?

and a bunch of teams might sacrifice the near-future a bit for next year.

home stadium? jerry wants to win it all every year

jerry doesn’t operate in a vacuum

by blee on Feb 11, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Although I’d be shoooooooocked if there was a lockout.

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 12, 2010 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

not me

Sadly, I fully expect a lockout in 2011 as both the players and owners are far apart and really entrenched in their positions.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 12, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah

I think this time the owners will cave.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 12, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree

Jerry would normally be the one not willing to make concessions, but with the new stadium revenue at stake, I imagine he’ll be working hard to reach a new agreement. I wouldn’t bet against Jerry when it comes to matters of business.

Drago says, "We must break you!"

by APerfectStar on Feb 12, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I think...

if there is a lockout alot of people are being stubborn.

Too much money is out there.

If your a player, that’s one year you aren’t making anything. Years in football are important too, because you only have so many of them.

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 14, 2010 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Strike pay

;-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 14, 2010 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Strongly disagree here,

Colombo hasn’t been a stud at all. Please watch the Seattle playoff loss, the NY Giants playoff loss and the Minnesota playoff loss for ample evidence.

We need upgrades on the Oline and he’s top of the list. Doug Free came in and the offense didn’t miss a beat in fact it performed better in December without Colombo than it ever did with him previously.

by Luke. on Feb 7, 2010 6:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Seattle playoff loss..what 3 years ago....lol

If you can only point out three times Colombo struggling in 3 seasons I would say thats dam good play by our RT. Colombo has been more than solid since becoming our RT…freaking get over people and lay off the lets get rid of Colombo talk. He is going to be the starting RT next saeson so deal with it. Everyone forgets before Colombo came here what a disaster our RT position was…hello…..Rob Pettitti!!!!

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 7, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not only "3 times"

It’s 3 times straight in the playoffs. What you are saying is how players perform in the playoffs doesn’t matter. I disagree, they’re important games. He’s also definitely played some poor regular season games too and only a completely one-eyed Cowboy fan would deny it.

Colombo sure was an upgrade over Pettiti no doubt but being an upgrade over one of the worst Tackles in the league doesn’t make you great necessarily. It just makes you better than terrible.

And it’s certainly not set in stone that he’ll be the starter next year at all.

The offensive line has been holding this team back for the last four years. If we take the "nothing is wrong approach" then nothing will change. They’re penalty prone, inconsistent and struggle with speed rushers. We can start to change that by replacing Colombo with Doug Free who is already a better pass blocker than Colombo ever was.

by Luke. on Feb 7, 2010 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I do agree with this:
The offensive line has been holding this team back for the last four years. If we take the “nothing is wrong approach” then nothing will change. They’re penalty prone, inconsistent and struggle with speed rushers.

And I’d love to see Free take Colombo’s place – if he earns it … I’d also love to see us draft at least 2-3 O-Linemen and pick up another in free agency that can be an upgrade.

I especially agree that this O-Line, while not so bad, has been the weak link in this offense. At times they’ve looked very good, but inconsistency and penalties are not the hallmark of a winning O-Line.

However…

I don’t even think Colombo’s the worst of the bunch. And given how much he’s improved since joining the Boys, I’m also not ready to write him off… by any measure.

Do I want to see someone from the draft or FA upgrade the position? Sure. But I don’t think it’s impossible for the current O-Line to get the job done.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Feb 8, 2010 2:35 AM CST up reply actions  

who is the worst in your opinion?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

this year..Kosier....

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 9, 2010 7:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Its not the RT holding this team back....

You want to focus the blame, then blame the left side because thats where Romo is getting knocked on his butt most of the time. Im really not sure where all this negativity towards Colombo has come from and I think many on here agree his is a solid RT. Immediate upgrade is needed at LG, thats your best chance at change in 2010. Im even all for moving Gurode to LG and finding a center through the draft or FA. Gurode is not so great that he cant be moved. That was there plan if Unger was drafted.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 8, 2010 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually it is the Tackles holding this team back

and it has been for several years.

Go watch the last 3 playoff losses – the Tackles stunk it up not Kosier.

Go watch the 08 loss to Arizona where Romo got pummeled and hurt and basically ended the season – the Tackles stunk it up not Kosier.

Kosier is maligned by plenty here but it doesn’t add up. I’m not saying he can’t be upgraded – if they think Brewster is playing better then great plug him for sure – but he’s certainly not the one holding this line back.

Here’s some facts and a question to think about;

Tony Romo was the 9th most sacked QB in the league this season.

Tony Romo is one of the best sack escaping QB’s in the league.

Offensive Tackles are the pillars of pass protection.

Who’s to blame for our poor pass protection?

I don’t know how anyone could answer that it is Kyle Kosier, the guy who gave up by far the least sacks of all the Olineman and probably the least penalties too.

by Luke. on Feb 8, 2010 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess you didnt watch the Washington game where Kosier was getting knocked off the ball every play..

He really tailed off this year which is why a upgrade is needed. Keep in mind when talking about Colombo is that he was rusty coming off injury. I think the guy deserves some slack because he has been pretty good for us.

You can blame quite a bit on Kosier because alot of the inside pressure was from Kosier positions. Flozell had a good year. His false starts were way down. Sure, he struggled against some of the smaller speed rushers like Dumerville, but who doesn’t? Be carefull what you wish for when replacing capable incumbents that have done good jobs for this team. Wade is not going to tinker with the line with rookies next year knowing we are making a run. Like I said and many agree, LG is our best chance at change in 2010.

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 8, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He's definitely not a physical player

He plays because he is the brains of the operation.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Kosier struggled with Albert Haynesworth so do most Guards.

Haynesworth is one of the best and strongest DT’s in football. Kosier is not the only one who has had a hard day against that guy. Earlier on you said that listing the 3 playoff games Colomob’s struggled in wasn’t sufficient evidence. But now you list 1 game where Kosier struggled against arguably the best DT in football as evidence he’s got to go.

I’ll say it again, I’m not against upgrading Kosier. If it can be done it should no doubt. But it’s not a cure all for this Oline by far. It doesn’t fix the penalties. It doesn’t fix the pass protection. It doesn’t fix the poor second level run blocking. Kosier is actually good in all those areas. This Oline gave up 34 sacks and melted down (again) in the playoffs with a QB who’s great at avoiding sacks and has a quick release (and from the stats I’ve seen Kosier was responsible for 1 sack in the 16 regular season games. That leaves a lot for the other guys doesn’t it).

If all we do is replace Kosier and nothing else then we’ll go through what we’ve been through the last four years straight; the Offensive Line being the leading culprit for our missing the playoffs or being our exit from the playoffs. We’ve been "making a run" with these exact same guys for three years and three years straight they disappointed (of which Marc Colombo is top of the list not Kosier).

The first order of business for improving this Oline is giving back to Doug Free the job he earned with his outstanding debut stretch at RT last season. That move immediately upgrades pass protection, upgrades second level blocking and lowers penalties. With Free being young there’s plenty of room for him to improve his already very good game and make it great. Imagine that; a great pass protector at Tackle for Tony Romo.

The second move is to try and find the most talented Olineman we can in the draft (anywhere Tackle, Guard, Center).

Third is to give Brewster (or new draft pick) all the help they can to challenge Kosier for the LG position.

by Luke. on Feb 9, 2010 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Kosier struggled with Tuck and alot of others also...

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 9, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Again!

Kosier is going to struggle against guys who are bigger and stronger. It’s his weakness and we’ll have to live with that until there is a replacement.

Kosier’s strength is his smarts, his ability to get out and pull, and his ability to help Andre.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't upgrade at LG unless you find another heady player to help Andre

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I wish someone would post a link

To a reputable source, that states Gurode doesn’t make the line calls, or he struggles to make the line calls. I have heard this “rumor” repeated many times, but I still haven’t seen proof that it’s true. I find it hard to believe that one of the best centers in the game has that big a flaw. Not calling bs, just saying I’d like to see confirmation.

Drago says, "We must break you!"

by APerfectStar on Feb 10, 2010 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Somebody did that once

It came from a DMN reporter I think?

Either way, where there is smoke, there is fire.

And didn’t Parcells say Gurode lacked the mental capacity (maybe not in those terms) to play LG?

And now he’s playing center?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

thats Terry's pro bowl center your talking about guys watch it..lol

Pro Bowl…yeah, what a joke anyway….like I said and it seems you guys agree that Gurode is good, not great and definately not secure enough to think he cant be replaced. They wanted Unger in the worst way to be our Center. Gurode would probably make a better LG at this point, but the problem is finding a good center right now.

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course they want Unger there. He was best available OL,

he is verstile and he was smart. If we were as hard up as you and the ever knowledgable DMN crew said we were, then we make dam sure we dont let him get away by offering more than Seattle did. We didnt make a play for him at all. We wanted him and yes we wanted him to eventually start. You kinda expect a OL drafted in the 2nd to start..
We made no play for the guy, must not have been all that.

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by squidlo97 on Feb 11, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Dealing in oil wells...

and dealing in NFL picks is not the same game.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 12, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

He's not rooking some back woods pig farmer

He’s battling Bill, Polian. AJ Smith, Scott Pioli and Mickey Loomis.

He’s just not as good at this craft, relative to his peers, as he was his prior one.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 15, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

well considering GMs really follow what their scouts say

He’s really not battling those other GMs when it comes to evaluating the players, however, when it comes to wheeling and dealing on draft day, Jerry is in a class by himself in that regard.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 15, 2010 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

You said a mouthful with that last sentence

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 15, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Love the post 5B.

Pretty funny commentary, I’d even say Marshawn Lynch has overall been ugg for the RB class of 2007, it can be debated that he’s not even the best runningback on the team.

I think if you look overall it shows one thing… there is no sure thing.

Hell I don’t even know if there is a safe thing.

On a side note, it sucks that Greg Olsen’s talent will be totally wasted in Mike Martz’s offense.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 6, 2010 1:38 PM CST reply actions  

Aint that the truth

Olsen and the TE in Oakland are stars that can’t shine while surrounded by dull talent and coaching.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:08 AM CST up reply actions  

This post also serves as a reminder to Jerry Haters ... he's been crushing it.

Look at the ABUNDANCE of first round busts on 5Bling’s list… and consider the success the Boys have had of late:

Ware
Spencer
Jones
Jenkins

Spear’s been solid if not spectacular (started every game/ grades very high vs. run)
Carpenter is the only bust in term of 1st round expectations.

After Ware (11th), all of these picks were high teens / twenties … making Jerry’s recent run even more impressive.

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Feb 7, 2010 3:34 AM CST reply actions  

JJ gave up a first rounder (and more) for ROy W. who has been a bust

but you are right the drafts have been good lately

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Feb 7, 2010 8:52 AM CST up reply actions  

... I hated that trade the moment it was even considered... I've never been a huge Roy W. fan.

… and I LOVE Anquan Boldin after he freaked for my FF league :)

Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.

by DalaiLuke on Feb 8, 2010 2:36 AM CST up reply actions  

To be fair, Jerry has had some epic busts in round 1 as well...

Shante Carver, anyone?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

And 2009's draft?

What’s your prediction for that one?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't we all...

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 6:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking right now it's an incomplete.

It won’t be high, because the first rounder was sent to Detroit, and we know how that ended, BUT if Jason Williams and Brewster end up contributing, you’ll have three players who are consistent contributions from a draft with no 1st rounder.

Also I don’t think last years draft is going to be that great for alot of teams. Last year was not a very deep draft.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 10, 2010 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Hmmm...don't know if I agree or not

Seattle had a tremendous draft. Best in the NFL considering very early returns.

The NYG had a very good draft (again).

Indy had another very productive draft (starting at #27, no less).

Minnesota got tons of value. And might Percy Harvin have been the guy we took if not for the RW trade? We got Roy instad of a R.O.Y. :-(

For only 3 picks, you have to like what the Jets did with Sanchez and Greene.

Green Bay had a fine draft too.

I have always been impressed with how Tennessee reloads in the draft.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but out of the second round....

Who are the guys past the third round that everyone is just raving about?

I’m not being a smartass either, I’m seriously wondering.

The Jets did good but they also grabbed positions that are going to get more acclaim.

Seattle had a good first two picks but I didn’t think Deion Butler was lighting it up.

Most of the value was in the first two rounds.

Besides Kenny Britt who did Tennessee draft that was a constant contributer to a mediocre season.

All the value looked to be in the first round and a half.

They tried to trade up to get Unger, but no one bit.

Basiclly the Roy trade killed them.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 10, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I understand what you are asking

…but I think most drafts play out that way.

How many drafts get tons of accolades for their 6th round choices? I just don’t think that many marquee players end up coming out of the later rounds, as a rule.

The reason we can spout off names like Brady and Colston is because they ARE notable exceptions to the general rule that the better players get drafted earlier.

But just to add some color, here were some very good late round value picks;

Succop and Edelman in the 7th round, Bernard Scott and Brandon Gibson in the 6th, Johnny Knox and Jasper Brinkley in the 5th, Austin Collie, Louis Murphy, Brian Hartline and Mike Thomas in the 4th.

I think that looks like most drafts.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 11, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I gotcha.

I’m not saying sixth round picks, but there aren’t even alot of admirable later second rounders.

I guess I just feel like this draft is an incomplete right now.

If Jason Williams and/or Brewster contribute I’d be ok with that considering everything.

Hell I’d say Buehler has been a pretty solid contributer and at least Victor Butler showed some situational uses.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 11, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Buehler was the one bright spot

Phillips was a nice surprise. But it’s not like he is the next Antonio Gates.

Dallas has a need for its draft picks to become more than just special teams or situational players. The lack of quality depth at key positions, especially where the starters are older, is undeniable.

Dallas doesn’t ever come out of a draft looking like an organization that has a LONG-TERM philosophy in their approach.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 12, 2010 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree. Dont get me wrong I wish we had a 1st rounder and I wish we traded up to get Unger.

With the RW trade and missing out on Unger we go the saturation route. Our STs were much improved and feild position was excellent when we werent missing FGs. Withh no 1st or 2nd rounders we picked up what appears to be a good pass rusher, a TE who seemed to get 40% of O snaps and contributed something every game. A WR who everyone is high on and remember Brewster and ILB showed some early promise were both hurt most/all of the year. If these 2 guys turn into starters we made a good showing despite a bad hand.
If you compare our drafting with teams that have won 65% of their games the last 5 years I think we compare favorable. Belechik who is everyones Guru has done no better than us. We see how this class represents itself in the next 2 years.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Feb 13, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Which of those guys, in your mind, is a potential pro bowler?

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by 5Blings on Feb 13, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh a draft success is strictly based on probowlers.

I look for starters or major contributers for 4-5 years. I think those guys have a good shot. Jason Williams has freakish athletic skills. Many are high on Brewster but he never put on the pads yet so I might be jumping the gun with him. Bueler and the TE made good size contributions and for a 1st year WR Ogletree already has had plays called just for him. Thats a sign they really like this guys potential.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Feb 13, 2010 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

so no pro bowlers?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 14, 2010 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Williams but only if he starts.

What I mean by that is he strikes me as a boom or bust. Either really good or STs for life.
Bueler looks like he could have a probowlers impact but wont be a pro bowler.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Feb 14, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

But you would agree that teams hope to draft future pro bowlers

Right?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 14, 2010 11:16 PM CST up reply actions  

please dont be condesending.

Yes, but without a 1st and sliding down out of the 2nd. I wanted solid contributers and take a future HR chances with guys Like Williams.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Feb 15, 2010 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry if that came out wrong

I wanted to pin down our disagreement.

I think your view of last year’s draft and mine is completely different.

You were reminding people about the contribution of the 3rd string TE and I was countering with a view that was based on Valley Ranch’s PR spin that they were drafting for special Teamers.

I don’t know if any of the guys we took will become starters or solid contributors because they failed to properly address areas on the roster where there was no depth.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 16, 2010 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

No problem, I guess when they got snookered for the 2nd year in a row on a lineman

there was some spin, but I do think STs was in the plans. I think they like the guys they have. I think it might have come out better than even they thought.
The thing is, I actually think we are better at the end of the draft than we are in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on Feb 16, 2010 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

There won't be any 1st or 2nd rd busts

And you can’t count Roy

Drago says, "We must break you!"

by APerfectStar on Feb 10, 2010 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Colombo only was returning from a broken foot with a very bad high ankle strain in the Minnesota game. Put over three hundred pounds on that wheel and see how you respond…

There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!

by CCBoy on Feb 7, 2010 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

They were playing well with Free at RT

I wouldn’t have made the change until Marc had more practice reps…

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:10 AM CST up reply actions  

i just don't understand the obsession with golden taint

i don’t want him, if only for the fact that he doesn’t shut up

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 7, 2010 6:44 PM CST reply actions  

i'll give you he would solve PR

but i don’t want to waste our first rd pick on a PR…

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 7, 2010 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

So...you're not in favor of signing Skyler Green back?

:-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

haha

i still can’t believe how bad he was

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 9, 2010 7:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Best WR in the draft

don’t see why you wouldn’t want him.

RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 7, 2010 7:26 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly aussie....

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 7, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

nah

dez bryant…. arrelius benn…. i wouldn’t want him cause i dnt want a diva on the field…. and i don’t want to waste a first rd pick on a position we don’t need, i’d much rather pick OL, or safety… even DE

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 7, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hate to break to you, but WR is a position of need considering who is going and who will be going very soon...

Hurd gone, Crayton….one foot out the door or on the verge of being demoted..slow, on the bad side of 30..Ogletree…love him, but still and unknown….RW? we know are feelings about him….Austin the only true WR we have that we know can get the job done. All the others are unknowns and certainly shouldnt stop us from drafting a playmaking WR.

Jerry wants the SB in his house next year in the worst way so I expect him to add more playmakers. NO and Indy should all you need to know .

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 8, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Strangely...

I agree.

I think it’s a point of need but not one you overdraft for. If it gets down there and Tate is available and you think he’s worth it.. you draft him.

If an OT or OG gets there and you think it’s best value… draft him.

I think it’s just important that they get a need but get best available, don’t reach because you need a WR.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 8, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Best Value

is the big point. Add to this that all the WRs aren’t going to help if Tony continues to end up on his butt. Need to improve the Oline. But the value has to be there.

by oldboysfan on Feb 8, 2010 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Then you need to find a solution because a rookie draft pick wont help solve the problem...

improving the LG spot would be a start….otherwise immeidate help will need to come from FA..

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 8, 2010 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Is there anyone in FA who could be an upgrade?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Jerry would have to make a trade unless some team really wants to dump salary...

otherwise were not going to find starting quality lineman in free agency.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 9, 2010 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Where is this strange notion you have...

that rookie offensive lineman never contribute?

It happens… ALL the time.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Joe Thomas!!!

Actually, many people said Loadholt wouldn’t amount to much and he seemed solid for the Vikes…

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Joe Thomas was the 3rd overall pick....the talent level where we are picking isnt even close...

in fact, most of first round tackles around where we are at are projected to be guards or need work.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 9, 2010 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Marcus McNeil of the Chargers

Second round pick, seventh offensive lineman overall, was a Pro Bowler his rookie year.

Helped Tomlinson to his record year (most of his long runs came left side that year).

Was not called for a holding penalty his entire rookie season.

by Luke. on Feb 9, 2010 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep it happens all the time.

Larry Allen was a second rounder

Unger started immediately last year.

Loadholt started immediatly last year.

Louis Vasquez started immediatly last year for the Chargers.

It happens allllll the time, and yet there is one poster on here that fails to see that it happens.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Mcneil tailed off since his rookie year...

Unger is a center, not a LT… LA was a guard not a LT. Sure it happens, but its rare. Sorry dude, no rookie is displacing Flozell next season. You want change, than hope Free just blows up in training camp and they have to replace Flozell with Free. Otherwise, Flozell and Colombo are your two starting tackles in 2010.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 9, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about Flozell

but Flozell isn’t the only offensive lineman that is a concern.

You make it seem like rookie offensive lineman never contribute right away and that’s nots true at all.

Plus you also have equally ridiculous idea to not draft offensive linemen early at all because of “luck”.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 8:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Not on this team they dont...

just look at the poor drafting history of lineman on this team…Gurode good, not great..Flozell, LA…11+ years ago. Im not saying it doesnt happen, but it doesnt happen with this team and Jerry knows it.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions  

But you don't NOT draft based on luck.

That’s stupid.

You don’t draft based on luck, you draft based on your scouting department.

You get better.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 10, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly, history means nothing

Jerry is listening to Ciskowski now and that makes a world of difference in our drafts.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 10, 2010 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It's cool

Jerry invested in Rabbits’ feet, 4 leaf clovers, and horseshoes. He is prepared this year.

Drago says, "We must break you!"

by APerfectStar on Feb 10, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

and what about Micheal Ohler

he was drafted #23 last year and is an absolute stud.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 10, 2010 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

It's "Oher"

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

not saying it doesnt happen, but its rare finding a quality tackle not drafting in the top 10 being able to start right away..

Ravens had no choice starting him either with their LT retiring. If Odgen didnt retire he wouldve been a backup, or maybe not even drafted at all by them.

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

doesn't take away the fact that

stud tackles are available in the late first rd. Oher is proof.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Feb 10, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

not this year there not....

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2010 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually...he's right (doh! that hurt...)

There are MORE top-rated OT’s in this draft than in last year’s.

2009: the Smiths, Monroe and Oher.

2010 (could change after Combine and pro days): Okung, Bulaga, Anthony Davis, Bruce Campbell and Trent Williams. Charles Brown is hovering around late round 1 and early round 2 from what I’ve read.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:31 PM CST up reply actions  

around where we are picking?

im not talking top 15 im talking after…..alot of these guys around where we are picking are guards or projected to be guards at the next level

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 10, 2010 7:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Which do you think will be guards?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 11, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

ok

when you put it that way, i guess you have a point….i tend to forget crayton is getting old…

i guess all we can hope for at this point is for roy to maybe realize the position he is in… as for ogletree, i think he’ll stick around for a while, its up to him to make plays when he has the chance… ok ok im coming around to the idea of drafting a wr

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 9, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

YES!

I would love to see a stud DE at #27

As you know, I’d advocate Dan Williams and moving Rat to DE, too.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Dan Williams will be long gone by #27.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 9, 2010 12:49 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not so sure...

How many DT’s do you expect to go before #27?

Suh and McCoy are locks, but how many teams drafting from 1-26 do you think will go DT/NT with their first pick?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 8:41 AM CST up reply actions  

From what I hear...

Dan Williams might be the second NT prospect in the draft. It is possible a 3-4 team reaches for him.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

I lump them all together as interior linemen

It’s highly doubtful he could leapfrog either Suh or McCoy (whom some have rated the #1 DT).

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

NOOOOOO

no way no how does he leapfrog McCoy or Suh!

Suh and McCoy could go 1-2

I’m just saying he could be gone before dallas.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Well he is the prototypical 3-4 NT compared to Suh and McCoy.

I see no way that Williams gets by Denver, Miami, Pittsburgh, and Arizona (Suh and McCoy will be gone in the top 5).

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 9, 2010 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Well I'd be suprised if...

if Pittsburg did because they just drafted Ziggy Hood last year, but that’s kind of how I was thinking.

So many teams value a true NT.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Casey Hampton is expected to leave this year

and I am pretty sure that Ziggy Hood plays DE for the Steelers since he is only 300 pounds.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

But they won't go with Williams in round 1

…and neither will Miami.

Denver will definitely go defense, but I think they want to see if Dumervil needs a big payday before they do anything.

Also , it seems AZ will make a run at Hampton (old ties) if he goes.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I personally think Miami will.

Denver will take Dez Bryant after unloading Brandon Marshall and therefore Miami will more or less be forced to look for defense. At that point it will come down to upgrading their OLBs or DT (Jason Ferguson was their starter this year) and I think Dan Williams will be a much better value than Sergio Kindle or Jerry Hughes.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 6:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Has Tuna EVER taken an interior an NT in round 1?

His most recent:

Vontae Davis, Jake Long, Ware & Spears, Julius Jones, T-New.

I was lookking back to his time in NE and with the Jets. He took QB, WR, DB, LB and O-line. No DT’s and no NT.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:16 PM CST up reply actions  

That is a valid point.

I had not looked into that. At the same time though, I think Miami taking him would make perfect sense for their organization. As for what they will do, that very well maybe different.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know about that...

I think Dez Bryant is by far the best in the draft.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 7, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Dez is the top WR

Tate is in the battle for 2nd best with Benn, and Damian Williams. (I’d put him at #2)

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by APerfectStar on Feb 7, 2010 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Benn is a beast too

Look at the #’s he put up with Juice Williams throwing him the ball.

Juice Williams!!!!

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Benn certainly seems to have all the physical tools you would want from a stud WR.

He is big, strong, and has a great top speed. From what I read, it seems most concerns about him center around his deficiency in refined WR skills (i.e. route-running). My personal problem is that I would probably like to draft a WR with a little more natural acceleration so as to get guy that can contribute quickly as a deep threat and a return man.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 9, 2010 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

He's a true deep threat

Let me say this again…

JUICE…FREAKIN…WILLIAMS!!!

The knock on Benn seems to be around maturity, not talent.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Never did a player suck so bad at his position yet have such an NFL-ready name

One…more…time!!!

JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUICE WILLIAMS!!!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

But then, who is?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I am not so sure.

He makes a lot of his catches on bubble screens and averaged only 12.9 ypc. I will definitely say that he has a great top speed, but I guess I personally would like a guy that can get up to speed quicker. Don’t get me wrong though, if he could fall to us in the second round I would be quite happy with taking him, but I still have an image in my head of a Terry Glenn-type receiver.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 9, 2010 9:29 PM CST up reply actions  

The bubble screen is the only pass that Juice Williams (said it again!) can complete!

…don’t fault the guy with elite deep speed for that.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Well we will see...

It will be extremely interesting to see what he runs and how he does in the drills. But back to my original point, if we were considering drafting him, then I hope he plans on taking part in the return game.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions  

He's shifty enough

…but why not actually draft a DB who could also help us in the return game in the 3rd or 4th round?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

That would be fine by me

but those types of players are more limited and it would also mean that all of a sudden we are using a higher draft pick on a 4th cornerback rather than looking at using that pick for potentially a 3rd WR.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 6:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Lynn Swann, Frank Gifford, Keyshawn, Steve Smith (who murders us in the middle of the field)

Maybe you should reconsider.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate him

How does he get so open against us???

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 6:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know...

must not just be us though, he had 107 catches this year.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 10, 2010 6:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Impossible!

He’s from SoCal!!!

:-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

steve smith is good...

mike williams, dwayne jarrett, keary colbert…. not so good

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 11, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions  

How does that make USC any different than Florida or any other school that put WR's in the NFL?

This post actually makes the point about WR being a riskier proposition than a lineman.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 11, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think the combine will get them closer...

I think Dez is top 10 and Tate is bottom first round.

I don’t think that combine will be enough to put Tate in front, unless Bryant runs a 4.6 or something.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 8, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

actually, i think Tate will move into the top 15 to 20 after the combine...

His speed and quickess is going to attract alot of teams…

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by Boyzfan94 on Feb 8, 2010 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Have to see how he does in drills

He should run a good 40, but is he strong enough to draw comparisons with Carolina’s Steve Smith?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I just look at who is picking....

1)Rams-Nope
2)Lions-Nope
3)Bucs-Nope
4)Redskins-Nope
5)Chiefs- Nope
6)Seahawks-Nope
7)Browns-Nope
8) Raiders- Nope…well…. uuuuh.. I guess you can’t say never.
9)Bills- Nope
10) Broncos or Jags- If one of these two get a WR, it’d be Bryant.
11)
12)Dolphins- I think if they were to get a WR, it’d be Benn or if Bryant dropped. They have a return guy in Ginn and have other needs.
13)Niners-Nope
14)Seahawks-Nope
15)Giants- Nope
16) 49ers or Titans- Titans MAYBE, but I bet they’d go defense.
17)
18)Steelers- Nope
19)Falcons or Texans- I guess the Texans might, but they are pretty stable at the wideout position.
20)
21) Bengals- This is the first team I could see go with Tate. They need WR help really badly, but they also could use a TE like Gresham.
22)Pats-nope
23)Pack-nope
24)Eagles-nope
25)Ravens-Possibly.

Anyways just by need and how the draft sits right now before FA and trades I don’t see a team that would get Tate before 21. I think that if he doesn’t go to the Bengals or Ravens, he could very well fall to the Boys and they’ll have a decision to make.

If he falls past Dallas, he’ll be selected by the Rams or Lions easily, possibly even the Jets.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice

Browns could and should take a WR now that Edwards is gone.

Bills? It all depends on the T.O. thing. Bryant at #9 would not surprise me.

Word around South Florida is that Tuna will absolutely pick a WR and that they are fed up with Ginn. They would go with a bigger WR.

Titans certainly could go WR as they still need help spreading teams out to take more advantage of CJ’s speed, but I think you’re right and they will go defense.

Also, don’t rule out the Pats either. Welker’s future is uncertain and Brady still has a lot left. Julian Edelman is not the answer.

Ravens’ bigggest need is at WR, IMO, and Tate would be a solid choice for them. They could go CB too.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with Miami...

Henne wants a big WR and Tate doesn’t fit that bill.

I think the Ravens would take him for sure if Benn doesn’t fall all that far.

The Bills need so many other things that it’d be crazy to pick a WR, TO or no TO. They need some offensive lineman badly.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Browns have much bigger needs.
Bills have much much bigger needs (QB and LT to start).
I could see Miami going WR, but only if Bryant is there.
Titans need defensive help more than a WR. I think they will go best available DE.
Patriots could certainly do something unexpected, but I think they will look for the best available 3-4 OLB.
Ravens could go WR, but like you said, I think they will go CB instead.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 9, 2010 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

But remember

…the draft isn’t about just picking what you need most first.

It’s about how the draft falls in front of you, juxtaposed with your needs.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

You are right indeed.

However, if I had to bet money, I would say that it is pretty likely the Titans and Patriots are able to find defensive guys easy enough to allow them to go that route. For instance, the Titans should get to choose from JPP, Dunlap, Everson Griffen, or even Graham to be their DE of the future (my mock draft has them taking JPP). The Patriots will be able to choose from versatile guys like Sergio Kindle and Jerry Hughes to upgrade their LB corps or possibly a guy like Patrick Robinson (or even Kyle Wilson) to upgrade their shoddy secondary (I have them taking Kindle). I personally just don’t see those teams looking to WR when their positions of need will probably have strong, available players left.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I highly doubt the Pats go back to the LB well

There are serviceable FA’s for them there.

CB is another story.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well Jerod Mayo worked so well

in the middle of their defense that I think they, as of now, would look that direction. You are right about the FA options, so that could change, but for the purpose of speculating now, it definitely has to be considered.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Welker's injury is huge

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Julian Edelman replaced him pretty well

and I don’t see the Patriots dipping into the WR pot considering their recent success at finding guys late (Edelman being the main example).

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Brady is still pissed about Branch leaving...

and Galloway is done.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah....

Galloway has been released since the middle of the season.

I think pass rusher is a huge need for them.

I bet they take Kindle. He fits the Bellichick mood. He’s a 3-4 OLB/DE that can be moved all around the field. He is ridiculously versatile.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 10, 2010 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I did a mock draft

and that is who I had them taking as well.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 7:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Dunno

Have Texas LB’s lived up to their NFL billing? I’m thinking Kindle might be another Derrick Johnson.

I think he has to replace Seymour and probably has someone like an Odrick in his sights.

However, I wouldn’t be be surprised if either Berry or Haden were on the board at #8. If so, I think they take that guy.

They also need a TE because it looks like Watson is on his way out. Gresham is likely to be there for them with their second pick.

Also, I wouldn’t put it past them to package picks and move up.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 11, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Well....

Orakpo is good.

And Derrick Johnson played MLB.

He was never a pass rusher.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 11, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

The Patriots have the Raider's

2011 1st rounder, not their 2010 first rounder.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 11, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a #2, not the eventual replacement for Moss

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 11, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

Ravens definitly do.

I think the Titans need alot more than WR, plus I think Kenny Britt is pretty good.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, at 12.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

but I bet Benn or Bryant fits their mold more.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 10, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Only receiver likely to go that high barring great combine numbers

is Dez Bryant and I think it is likely that Denver snags him before Miami can.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

If Benn runs a 4.3 and shows no gear-down in his breaks, then all bets are off

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions  

If he does that, then I would agree.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

He certainly looks fast in games...

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree his top speed is quite quick...

The key is how quickly and how smoothly does he reach it.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Ever tried to catch a wobbly underthrown ball?

That was Benn’s every day world.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he is.

RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.

by aussie_cowboy on Feb 10, 2010 5:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Aussie Domer

:-)

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

also

good post, always like reading your stuff 5blings….

oh and you heard it here first… matt jones will sign with the cowboys this offseason….i just have a gut feeling that last year jerry told matt jones to stay clean and stay in shape, and he’ll have a job come this upcoming football season… and that helps us out in not having to draft a wr, so we can focus on what we really need to in the draft

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 7, 2010 6:47 PM CST reply actions  

So you get a FA WR...

that hasn’t played in the NFL for a year and that’s a big solution to your wr depth?

Hmmm I don’t think so.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 7, 2010 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, why do that to what has become a high-character team?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 9, 2010 12:14 AM CST up reply actions  

i guess i just can't believe no one will take a chance on him

he has potential through the roof… and he started to show his talent before he turned to the powder…. i agree it might not solve the wr depth, but i still think that jerry talked to him last year and told him to stay clean and stay in shape… hate on me if you will, but i have a gut feeling… not that it means much, but i’m all for signing him

by CowboysFan4Life on Feb 9, 2010 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't hate on you...

I just don’t think that solves your WR depth issues, signing him that is.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate on Matt Jones

He is a dumpster fire.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Feb 10, 2010 4:36 PM CST up reply actions