Manning and Favre - a personal disappointment
by ks.cowboy on Feb 9, 2010 12:10 AM CST
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First off, this is my first post on this blog. I joined in October and this blog is a must read daily for me. I have been a Cowboys fan since 1976 (the first Steelers-Cowboys Super Bowl), but I think that I've learned quite a bit from reading this blog (especially Rafe's articles) that have expanded and enriched my understanding of the game. Thank you for a great blog.
The purpose of this post is how I view the "great" Bret Favre and the "poster boy" Payton Manning after the playoffs versus how I remember the idols of the past. While I was watching the Cowboys/Vikings playoff game, I was trying to explain to my seven year old son who just became interested in football about Bret Favre, his gritiness, and his gunslinging attitude. I was trying to put into context how much he meant to the Packers and now the Vikings and how "great" Favre is. However, at the end of the game when Favre threw that meaninglesss touchdow that caused Brooking to go off on Favre, I was cussing at the television along with Brooking. Tough to explain to a seven year old how Favre did not need to do that.
Before the Super Bowl, I was trying to explain to my seven year old my view of Manning as an exceptional quaterback and how it was probably kind of weird for him playing the Super Bowl against the franchise that his father played for. At the end of the game (and maybe before the clock ran out) Manning walked off the field without even shaking Brees hands or otherwise acknowledging the Saints. If I had to tell my son what I though of Manning, it would be something such as a sore loser.
With that said, I know realize that my son is growing up in a totally different era than when I idolized Staubach. I can't imagine Roger the Dodger throwing a meaningless touchdown to settle old scores (the blowouts of the Packers in the 1990s playoffs by the Cowboys) or being a poor sport like Manning. Maybe I'll just emphasize how hard MBIII runs and how he congratulates a tackler with a headslap after each run.
I know Favre's antics have been commented on, and I would like to know whether anyone else's opinion of Manning has been lessened after the Super Bowl.
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Manning is a great QB but he is a poor sport always has been. Being from Nebraska I remember watching Nebraska beat Tennessee in the 1997 Fiesta Bowl and he was being a baby about it on the sideline then and then he got replaced by Tee Martin who actually played better then he did.
As for Farve I’ve never liked the guy. He acts like the won 5 Super Bowls when he won only 1 14 years ago. I know he has a lot of the QB records but he’s also played for a long time. Their both going to the Hall of Fame.
On a side note last nights loss by Manning got me to thinking if we’ll ever see a QB win more than 1 Super Bowl without losing. Manning and Brady are off the list. I don’t think the Saints can come back as good next year.
I was more impressed with favre after the playoffs
despite the INT, he played a gutsy game. He was great against us. I think he should come back.
Manning…it just further cemented my view of him. I thought he (like favre, but favre has the excuse that he was thoroughly beaten by the Saints D) had finally overcome that tendency to flop in the clutch. Manning is the greatest pure qb to every play the game, but there is some innate ability in players that allows them to turn up their game at the most important time on the biggest stage. The ironic thing to me is that for all his faults, Eli has displayed this more than Peyton through his career.
I probably give the guy way too much credit, but if you want to look for a model playoff qb, look at Warner, or Brady from 2001-2007. Or Ben the last 4 years. These guys have been just awesome to watch, although Ben is nowhere near your prototype qb.
favre has never been high on my list
i’ve never been a fan, nor understood the national love affair. i could go into how there were sign after sign indicating he is nowhere as golden or genuine as the media has portrayed him, nor as special as the he is made out to be statistically.
manning, disappointed me when I found out he didnt congratulate the saints.
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Manning has always been a crybaby as long as I could remember
Him walking off the field without congratulating Brees is par for the course for him.
In Romo we Trust
I don't hold anything personal against him...
but I think that the image of Archie Manning and Eli pretty much treating San Diego like they were garbage and Eli holding the jersey up like it was covered in cat urine, will always make me a little sketchy towards that family.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
Welcome to the blog, KS Cowboy!
It would seem deep down in the psyche of all Americans watching the playoffs and superbowl, that a good percentage (that weren’t Vikings, Saints or Colts fans outwardly), were rooting for a team because of the QB.
I think it goes to show that no matter how much the media or fans build up the importance of the position – OR the importance of a particular player (Favre, Manning..), THAT it is still a team sport.
In the same way we can’t blame a win or loss on Romo, the Colts have no future if they think Manning is the reason they will win a big game. The Vikings, even with Favre, having arguably the best season of his career were not a lock to win the NFC. As good as Brees is, I think that Sean Peyton’s management was the X factor for that win.
We get so attached to QBs or certain players, but there are so many fricken variables.
Right after the game, say as little as possible.
-Tom Landry
after the Super Bowl...
it’s not going to be easy for Manning to rob Brees of the regular season MVP anymore…
I don't think Manning robbed him...
he was the best QB in the regular season.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
I am not so sure.
Manning did great things yardage wise and as a leader, but since when is a 2:1 TD-INT ratio an MVP-type ratio. Everyone talks about those fourth quarter comebacks, but they were in a lot of those holes because he would throw picks early in games and get them in holes to teams like the Texans. Drew Brees had a 3:1 TD-INT ratio, was just as much of a leader, and threw for only a little less yardage.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I'm sure alot of it had to do with how they ended the regular season.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't play.
I’m not a Manning lover or anything, but it does astound me how much you dislike him for really no reason at all.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 9, 2010 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Terry has an absolute disdain for every non-Cowboy in the NFL. He cannot recognize talent in any other jersey…of course if you were to acquire a talented player that he has previously denounced as overrated, he would all of a sudden realize that they do have talent…but for Terry, talent comes in silver and blue, and nowhere else.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
simply not true at all
There are non Cowboy players I really like, to name a few, Fitzgerald, Warner, Favre, Brees, Palomala, Ocho Cinco, LaRod Stephens-Howling, Darelle Revis, and there are many others.
In Romo we Trust
They sure didn't lose to us or Tampa Bay while playing their starters.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
True
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Feb 10, 2010 1:59 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree
Brees was every bit as good as Manning this season, Manning got the MVP because he’s Manning, not because he was better than Brees or even Favre for that matter.
In Romo we Trust
This isn't little league
a lot of these guys have relationships off the field, and we don’t get the whole story on camera despite the stories the media wants to write…so I don’t put much stock in the idea that we didn’t get to see Manning congratulate Brees…everyone and their mother wants to talk to the winning QB and team and they want to celebrate. It’s probably more on Brees to seek out Manning. Brees’ victory was his congrats.
Also, there is no mercy rule in professional sports. I never held it against the Pats for ‘running up the score’ in ‘07 because I don’t think there’s any such thing. A team builds a professional defense, it’s their job to stop the opposing team’s offense…if they can’t do it…oh, well for them, let them burn. This is especially true in the playoffs and especially true with a vaunted defense like the Cowboys’. All Cowboy fans talked about for the week leading up to the Viking game was how awesome their defense was. They shut out the Redskins, they shut out the Eagles one week, and buried them again the next week. The Vikings weren’t playing a sub-par Kansas City defense here…they were playing one of the best in the league, and they got the upper hand and played hard…and all they get are whines of ‘running up the score’? That shouldn’t even be a thought in the NFL. If I played, and someone could beat me…I’m not going to cry about how bad he beat me, or how he beat me when it wasn’t necessary.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Ok...
Why do you come on a Cowboys blog and start taking jabs at people who were upset about something that happened two weeks ago?
I didn’t think that it was right, I’m not crying, but I don’t think it’s right. That’s a personal thought though, I don’t throw to the endzone on 4th down with 3 minutes left and a 20 something point lead.
You want to talk about Manning and Brees and I don’t know… the subject of this post, than go ahead, but don’t come over and start taking jabs at a fanbase who wrote most of those comments mainly in anger of losing.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 10, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
I was trying to put into context how much he meant to the Packers and now the Vikings and how “great” Favre is. However, at the end of the game when Favre threw that meaninglesss touchdow that caused Brooking to go off on Favre, I was cussing at the television along with Brooking. Tough to explain to a seven year old how Favre did not need to do that.
I just don’t think it was meaningless regardless of what Brooking claims. Favre’s job is to score…he did that, I don’t see the issue here
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I also don't mean any disrespect
I just don’t buy that argument
The season’s over, we’re on to next year while we rehash last year
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
It's cool....
I overreacted.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 10, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
No problem
I know it can be touchy to have fans from other teams over here…I’ve always felt like the majority of you guys are cool and respectful…so thanks
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I do think that...
there is a majority of things that you don’t do in sports.
I didn’t care that they threw a late TD, but I understood why Brooking got mad.
I think there is a distinct difference between wanting to win a game and wanting to rub someones nose in it.
But I don’t care that much because I know that comes back to bite you in the ass.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Feb 10, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
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